Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1220 | Jase Suffers a Creepy Encounter Alone in the Woods & Where Do Our Souls Go When We Die?

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Jase describes a creepy encounter that put him on edge when he thought he was alone in the woods and unveils a bizarre but strangely fitting analogy about handheld vacuums and mortality. Honoring Phil with an opening-day hunt leads the guys into a conversation about death, the physical reality of our bodies breaking down, and the haunting mystery of what becomes of our souls. The study of John 19 brings them to Jesus’ burial, the stark imagery of New Orleans tombs, and the eerie stillness of the grave before the stone rolled away. The guys explore how the empty tomb and the launch of the new creation reshape our understanding of earthly death—and what truly happens next. In this episode: John 19, verses 28–42; John 20, verse 1; Psalm 22, verses 1–2, 27–31; Genesis 1, verses 26–28; Genesis 2, verses 7, 15–17; Genesis 3, verse 19; Genesis 3, verses 22–24; Genesis 9, verse 6; Luke 1, verses 26–38; Matthew 1, verses 18–25; Ephesians 1, verses 3–14; Acts 17, verses 24–28 Chapters: 00:00-8:05 Willie’s time crunch cramps Jase’s style 08:06-15:38 Zach’s Jackson 5-style retirement scheme 15:39-20:28 The most important chapter in human history 20:29-29:20 Finding the lost tomb of Jesus 29:21-34:15 Jase helps a man off the fence 34:16-41:09 What happens when we die according to ChatGPT 41:10-49:30 How do we know souls exist?49:31-57:00 Dustbusters aren’t great coffins — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. And believe it or not, Jay, Zach is back in the house. We've been missing him a few episodes, Zach. Welcome back to the Unashamed. I feel like you're a guest. You've been gone so long. Yeah, it's good to be back. Was there a resurrection involved in this? Is there a resurrection involved? Well, I was with your brother, both of y'all's brother, Willie Robertson out in San Diego. Oh, you tell me he was in San Diego.

I didn't realize that was included you. But it was cold. It was freezing cold and it was raining. I'm like, what? I mean, it was, it was strange. The weather was very strange because every time I've been to San, it's a sunny San Diego. It was not very sunny.

Before we get to our text, Jays were wearing poncho shirts. Well, Zach, you are too today. Poncho is one of our sponsors, one of our partners. And Jay's Day had wanted us to wear the same shirt today, but you and I don't, I mean, it's like when they, when Lisa tried to get, you remember back in the day when they had the airbrush, you know, his and hers, I just, I mean, my wife is all the time, and I mean all the time, as in the last 35 years, tried to coordinate like Christmas pictures. I felt like that's what happened when I came in today. They were trying to get Jay's and I to wear the sand show. I thought you and I are in the same size now, but still know, because I'm wearing a large, and I thought you wore a large, but you're wearing a medium.

I'm wearing a medium, and it's a little big on me, you know, so, but it's because I do stuff. That's what you and Zach don't realize. I mean, Zach had to, look, Zach went to. I still do stuff. I'm just a little. Zach went to a meeting, and it lasted a week. Yeah. Well, you know, sitting around eating bonbons and donuts for a week.

I went treasure on yesterday from about 8 a.m. till dark. I walked more miles than you probably walked, Al, and you're in decent shape now. I walked about three miles yesterday, myself. So, Zach, so you've been high on Ponto shirts for a long time, right? Before they were ever responsible. Well, what's funny is I had this shirt a while back, and I got a lot of people, believe it or not, this is going to shock you all, but I'm kind of. of a fashion icon for the Unashamed Nation.

I'll get emails. I'm telling you. I feel like you need to have a little laughy face. These people put these little images. Make a little emoji. Just put them up behind his head, Maddie, as he's talking. I'm telling you, you'd be surprised at how many people. This one particular shirt, for example, I had a lot of people say, hey, where did you get

that from? So then when Pontchard reached out to the sponsor, I was like, hey, that's perfect. Everybody wants to know anyway. So, yeah, they're great shirts. Well, I will say this shirt is super comfortable, and I do like their product a lot. So if you're looking for some really good-looking stuff, and Lisa likes them as well, which she's got, I've gotten to the point in my life where my wife buys more clothes for me than I do. I've hit that place. Well, we're there.

I'm there, too. Yeah. And so poncho is a good place to do that. So we love these guys, and we're glad to have them with us. It's like 80 degrees here. In fact, I got out of the truck this morning. This will air later. when I got out, because opening day of duck season is tomorrow.

Oh, it's duck season Eve. And I got out of the truck, and I was like, it doesn't feel like it's super dry. It's hot. I mean, it's like. Weird turn of events with the weather and the lack of water. Yeah. I did something I've never done before. I put out the decoys day before yesterday.

I know, Jay told me. So I was asking Jay, Jay, so I was like, because I'm going tomorrow, first time in probably three or four years. And I said, what kind of boots do I need? He just started laughing. And he was like, you don't need boots. We're on dry ground. And I was like, what? What kind of hut is this?

I've been going to life. Well, we're doing crazy things. It's never been this dry in November. So, Jace, I sent out a challenge after Dad made the crossover to the awaiting the resurrection last summer. Yeah, we're going to talk about that today. Yeah. So I made a challenge to my brothers that I was going opening day to honor dad. And I said, it'd be great if we were all there.

Well, of course, in classic Robertson fashion, I never hear a word of either one of them. So I didn't know until yesterday that they have answered the challenge. The four brothers act will be in the blind tomorrow. And I'm going to say the last time we probably all four were ducked in together would at least be a couple of decades. I mean, it's been a long time. Yeah. Well, Willie's still working it out. He just sent me a text that I think I should read.

Oh, you should. It's breaking news. Good. Because I have heard zip-off. It sounds like he's coming. He said, what's the boot situation tomorrow? Which is exactly what I asked. What time are we meeting?

Also, I have a tight schedule. There's the, there's the thing. Listen to this. I have to flip a coin at the Louisiana Tech Liberty football game tomorrow. So it's definitely a time crunch to get out of there. I just put, let me check. Because we were about to start. That's so funny.

But it sounds like he's coming. I wonder is that game in Rustin or in? I guess. I think he was kind of sowing the seed. He's sowing the seed. for, so he's only going to be there for a minute is what he's. You got to remember about Willie. He's not known for his duck hunting skills.

Now, he's never loved it. But he's not an idiot. So he realizes it's 80 degrees. It hasn't rained in weeks. Yeah. Our expectations are what are we doing here? I want to just plant the seed that I want to leave as soon as possible. Exactly.

And I don't really blame him. But you never know. It is opening day. The difference is. He probably caught his assistant and said, give me something to do tomorrow. I need. You can line something else I can get out of that.

But no, Willie's still going off of the old ways it used to be when dad was there because dad ran a tight ship and he didn't like anybody leaving early

and so like if you had to go it was always awkward because he would not be happy with you for leaving because one is it causes a bit of an uproar to get somebody out of the blind

take them to the bank which you know probably tomorrow's not be that big of a deal because you walk wherever you got to get. This will be the easiest hunt. It's on the closest proximity of our property. It's the only place we have water. I was having to find guns. I was having to go through all my stuff. I've already brushed the blind.

And actually, Willie, a couple of his employees came with me and Jay and worked. I've never seen that from any employee at Duck Commander. Working is usually optional. But that may be because the big man is coming. Maybe you've got his little I'm not sure what, what happened? Well, I think they'll be filming it, so, because we're all together. But it is a great honor for dad. I mean, the reason I'm doing it is because of dad. Well, his, you know, my dad's last official duck hunt was opening day last year. So here we go.

We're passing the legacy on. Yeah, the legacy goes on, which I think will be a cool thing. So I'm super excited. And it just worked out because I'm preaching this week, too. So I kind of had legacy on the brain. you know, our topic, my topic is forever for family, so it's just a lot of cool stuff. Yeah, so we'll see how it go. We'll give you a report next time we're together.

Well, maybe the time after we're together because we're doing another podcast. Oh, that's right. Exactly. So, Zach, is anything else in your world? You can tell us where we launch you in here? What's going on in my world? Yeah, I do have news. This is kind of exciting, actually.

So you guys remember when we had Larry Fleet on the podcast. I actually talked about him recently because I just heard his Christmas song. He redid the song. Do you remember the song from Christmas Vacation that Ray Charles did? That when Chevy Chase is watching the reels of his old family, that really soulful. Yeah, yeah. He's redone that song this year and released it for Christmas.

And it is so good. And I meant to know. I can't remember the song. Is it like a, it's it. But I remember the same. You know, it's just like a real soulful, beautiful song. I'll find the name of it. All right.

Tell your story. So anyway, so I guess Max must have connected with him while when they came when we were filming in Nashville. And so Max called me up a couple days ago and said, you're never going to guess who reached out and asked us to come open for his tour. and I started throwing out names he said not Larry Fleet

so Max and Layla Dash of the band they're actually going to be doing a tour with Larry Fleet and then I think they're even going to go over into Europe and do his European tour so they're fired up so next year is Max going to grow his beard out now because you know Larry's... I don't think Max

has quite got the testosterone levels enough to he can't do it I hate to say That dasher, yepy blood just... Well, hold on. Can Reed grow a beard? I think so. I don't know.

I thought to see it. The last time I saw Reed, he was wearing a beard. Well, Max ain't there yet. I'll admit it. Max is not there yet. He's got a little mustache. There seems to be a little something lost on the next generation because, you know, we have John Luke on the Hillsdale podcast, and he's got a little kind of dab would call it

psychiatrist beard. It looks like it's trying to feel it. John Luke can grow a beard, though. He's got a, he could, he can do a beer. He can do the full beer? Okay. I'll give him that. So it's called the spirit, that spirit of Christmas, Zach, and Ray Charles did it in 1985.

I don't know where to tell y'all to go find out, but they'll be coming to a city near you. And we're going to go to a few of the shows. I don't know where to find that information out. Probably Google Larry Fleet Tour. But yeah, so Layla Max, the dash of the band's going to be opening for him. So hopefully that'll be my retirement plan. right there if they make it. I'll be like the Jackson 5, Dad, you know what I mean?

Is that bad? I'm going to be... I think they're going to say, no, Dad, we're good. Zach's trying to turn around the American dream. He's like, take care of old dad. I'm saying, I've been poured into this whole thing. I agree with that. Boy, when you get stuck in the middle where you're taking care of your kids

and kind of doing the same thing towards your parents, we're just kind of trapped in the middle here. It seems like every time I have a conversation with Zach, I end up quoting the rich young Rule of us. Go sell it all, Zach. Sell it all. There may not mean they left to sell if I keep hemorrhaging, you know, but, oh, it's funny. But it's all good, though.

You know, this meeting that we went to was funny because when I was there four years ago was when we got the call about Ruth. And so every time we go to this particular meeting, it brings back that memory. of I was about to go on stage and present and we get the call. And Jill's like, you know, hey, read this text. And it was essentially a young lady who, she was about 21 years old, had some issues, substance abuse, just got out of jail, got pregnant and had called one of Jill's mom's friends and said, hey, who ran a staffing agency and said, hey, can you help me get a job

because I'm pregnant and I need $600 and whatever dollars to have an abortion. And I don't know why this lady told her this, but she said, would you keep the baby if I can find you a family that would adopt? I think I have this family that would want to adopt your baby. I don't know why she told her that because we weren't in the market for adoption. I had told Jill, you know, I did tell Jill if somebody ever knocked on our door and asked us to adopt their baby, I would say yes to that, thinking that's never going to. happen. And so she called Jill and said, hey, I got this young girl that is wanting to,

you'd adopt her baby, would you guys be willing to do it? And so I'm looking at this text, and I'm just like, and I don't know what the Holy Spirit just came over me, because I was, that was very scared to do that. But the Holy Spirit just came over me. And I got this overwhelming just peace and conviction. I was like, Tell her we'll adopt the baby. And I went on and, and I went on and made the presentation. And I was actually presenting this movie, the blonde, for the first time. And so it's kind of crazy how all that comes full circle. But it was kind of a,

we and Jill had a, we had a couple moments of tears, just remembering how blessed we are now that we have Ruth in our life and how all that happened. There's just that seemingly random moment. It wasn't random on God's part, but it was, in our minds, it was kind of random.

But then it was like, but the war duty was doing. So, yeah, how's cool. I don't know if it's because of her story that you just described, how it all came to be or what. I'm sure that's part of it. But your daughter is about the sweetest child I've ever seen.

So, I mean, just every time I'm around her, you know, I have the same feeling you just described Zach. So, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's just because this whole idea of how it connects to us being sort of adopted, you know, from the Ephesians I context of, you know, Jesus getting us into this great forever family. I don't know if that's it or what, but something about that touches me as well. So it's very special.

You already get back into John. So, Zach, while you've been out, we kind of had a parade of guest, mostly family. Who came in? We had different ones. It means he can't remember. That means I can't remember, but it was people. Some of those people.

Yeah, some inside our own wings, Jason and I, some outside. but we had a lot of family. Nobody, of course, could be quiet. They tried to all be their Zach intellectual, but nobody can be Zach. But we've kind of been hanging out in John 19 because it is, as one family member put it,

it is the biggest moment in human history that we're two at this point in our text and our study. I think it gets even bigger here in about the next chapter. But it's huge. obviously what Jesus did for us. And so we've been talking about that. And we're about ready to move to his burial, which is kind of new territory for us.

But before we did, I was just going to ask you, because you hadn't been there in a while. You know, we talked about the things Jesus said on the cross because there were like seven different statements. Three are in John. Jace has pointed out that most of those statements were prophesied about it. It's on 22. Yeah, I was kind of fascinating.

Yeah, along with the... Or like inferred to... Exactly. And then a couple other Psalms as well directly. And so all these things had been talked about, had been pointed to. There was really no reason to miss it, and yet everybody was seeming to miss it, you know, including his own followers, even in the moment. And so everybody's wondering what's going on. We also talked about the...

This is the culmination of the signs that John has been kind of talking about this idea about leading up to the cross, because this is, you know, this is when things are about to diverge and the new kingdom is about to begin. So I just wonder, is there any other comment you want to add to it before we move to them actually putting them in the ground? Because there's a lot of things to talk about with that, too. So was there any last things you want to talk about in terms of the crucifixion or Jesus on the cross? Well, I haven't listened to what y'all talked about. So I'd have to go back and see if you hit it all. But I will say this, that I love the end of that Psalm 20.

is so powerful because if you think about how much we talk about the kingdom on this podcast and the generations and the nations coming up that hill to worship the one true God and how God is just basically, Jay says it this way, that the Bible is a story of how God gets his family back and like that whole idea. Like, think about that. And if you read the culmination of Psalm 22, that's essentially what he says at the end of Psalm 22. Because we'll read Psalm 22 all the time and talk about, You know, when you read the first part of it, you're like, oh, my gosh, he's talking about the crucifixion of Jesus.

And yeah, he is. I mean, it's very prophetic. But also read the end of it in verse 27, 28. And it takes it back to that eschatological end, which is all the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. And all the families of the nations will bow down before him. For dominion belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations. So even in this passage, which is a prophetic word about the crucifixion of Christ, you still see it's all anchored in that whole Genesis 1. Have dominion, cultivate the earth, be fruitful and multiply, have families.

That is the whole trajectory throughout the entire Bible. So I just love that even in this part of the crucifixion, like the Lord knew, I'm not going to leave this part out. This is why Christ is dying to accomplish. this end, this goal, this is the purpose of the whole thing. So I just wanted to point that out. The It is finished point kind of really goes to that idea that that was kind of the whole mission. It was all in this moment. Paid is kind of the Hebrew word there for that.

Just one word paid, you know, paid. Well, and I think there's a connection to the first creation. Yeah. When he's, you know, he did his work. And now we're set to long. the new creation. Right. And the last verse of that Psalm 22 seems to say the same thing.

It is done. The way N.T. Wright puts it. I love it. He says, now we enter the eighth day. It's the way he kind of frame out. Well, John 20, verse 1, it starts out on the first day of the week. Right, right. Okay.

So everything's new here. Yeah, which I think is pretty good. So are you ready for me to read this next section? Oh, yeah. We get to the end that we read at 37. They will look on the one they have peaked. which is again another Psalm 22. And so that's this last moment of Jesus's life.

He's dead now. And then we get to verse 38. Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Somewhere in this process, this happens. Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. So this is another one of those where he's in leadership. He's part of the Jewish Council, and I did a little bit of research on him. Obviously, he was a wealthy man.

And one of the other gospels talks about him. It's his tune that he puts him in because it's pretty close to where they are. With Pilots permission, he came and took the body away. And here's a little interesting, fun fact. He's got our old friend, who we've seen a couple other times than John. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes about seven. 75 pounds, which would have been very expensive, this idea to, you know, to wrap Jesus in these spices and everything that they typically would do for a Jewish burial.

Taking Jesus's body, the two of them wrapped it with the spices and strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden. Mm. Another garden, Jays. Yeah. And in the garden, a new tune. in which no one had ever been laid.

Because it was the Jewish day of preparation, and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there. And what kind of tomb was it? New. New. A new tomb for a new key. There was something fixed to happen here that hadn't happened before. That wasn't the point, but it really was a new tomb.

It was a new kind of tomb. Yeah, exactly. It's interesting on the tomb, If you think about the significance of Jesus being buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, I mean, there's a lot around that, by the way, particularly if you get into apologetics and you start looking at the defense of the Christian faith and how we know Jesus was risen from the dead. So one of the big issues with, I say issues, one of the big evidences of Christ rising from the dead is the fact that he was buried in this particular grave.

And the reason why is because the way that you could really prove that Jesus didn't, like there's one way that you could prove that he didn't rise from the dead. And it really is the best way, which is you do is after he dies, you just produce the body. Right. So if you can produce the body, then you can point at the dead body and say, look, he's right there. And so a lot of the scholars have looked at this and they thought, you know, this is very interesting, because if they would have buried him in just a normal tomb, like a poor man's tomb, we would have never, I mean, who knows where he would have been buried.

But the fact that he was buried in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb, this is a tomb that everyone would have known about. This is a tomb of a rich man. This is a tomb that would have been documented. And so it really is a tremendous evidence in the defense of this claim that Christ rose from the dead that he was in this particular grave. Because people could go back to it and say, look, the grave's empty. Look, the grave's empty. now we don't know where that grave is, primarily because he wasn't in there. And so it was never, the actual grave itself was never memorialized because that wasn't the point.

I think most tombs would be, like I went and saw where I got to go this year to London for the art conference and a big C.S. Lewis fan. So we went out to the kilns and saw his house, and me and jail did all that. And then we went and visited his gravesite. And there was other tourists out there that were there. to commemorate his life, just to be there, his grave is there, and you're just, you're looking at this, and it's a very special moment. That never happened around Jesus, and the reason why is because he was not in the grave, there was nothing to commemorate about the grave, because he wasn't in there. I just think that's an incredible evidence for his bodily resurrection. In preparation of where

we're headed next, when we get to chapter 20, I was doing some research about graves in that area, And I didn't know this until I saw it recently that there was a grave near where they think this area was, is the best way to put it, because you don't know for sure. But they know in the general area where this, and you've probably visited there. I visited there. Yeah. But they said that maybe. Maybe, right. Possibly.

So in that area, they did find a grave that they have taken, that they believe was from the first century. But later, it would have been right around before 70s. 66. But enough where it's in that general area, and at least they found a body and how it was wrapped. Of course, the bones were still in it. Now, again, this has nothing new with Jesus. But what I found history is the whole process that's talked about here was exactly as

it's described here with this body. So what I'm saying is you read these things. And for us, you know, we've kind of got our modern way of how we do funerals and all that. But it's exactly the way they did it. And they've actually found a body in the bones. It's still wrapped in all the stuff. stuff they were talking.

Oh, for $15 or $20, which was three or four years ago, you can go up there, and this is the team. Yeah. You enter it. Yeah. And they do it one at a time. Yeah. Or like if you're married, you know, like me and my wife went in.

But so it's like a little hole. Yeah. But once you go in, it looks like a little room that's been. Because it almost has like a rock shelf kind of. Well, it's kind of excavated. Yeah. you know, with kind of the place where you lay down, which is just a rock bed. And the one we went in had two little rooms.

Yeah. And they have it lit. But what's so interesting is, and I had a moment because they're, of course, they're charging to do this. But when you stick your head back out, something happens to you. Something physically came over me from a spiritual perspective because I thought, well, this is what I believe. Yeah. I believe this happened that he came through here, even though he didn't have to. It's like that question about, well, why was the stone rolled away?

Because really, if you had the power to come back from the dead, what's this stone you speak? And so I like the- Because he's going to walk through some doors later. I like the preacher analogy of the stone was rolled away to let us in, not let him out, which I think is a good point. And really when they come to the tomb, they more believed on what they didn't see, which is, I think, a prelude to faith. The fact that the body wasn't there is what was really exciting. So I think we do need to get into, you know, what happened?

What happened here? How does this happen? Yeah. Because really, you know, I had a guy yesterday, when I was talking about I did stuff yesterday, I went treasure hunting and I was with a large group and I kind of broke off from the group while I found a hot spot so I started finding this stuff and people didn't want to come in all my buddies didn't want to come. It's kind of an unwritten rule. It's kind of like fishing, right? If you found some fish, you're not just going with a crowd of man.

Small area. So I looked up at one point and they were all gone. They had moved somewhere else and so I was by myself, but I was still finding stuff. It was a spectacular day. But at some point I looked up and there was a guy standing there, which I'd be nervous for a second. Young Buck. Because you've got the headphones on. Got the headphones on. I'm pretty good ways from any road or my truck.

And he's made the walk out there because he recognized me from a distance. And I said, what's going on? And he said, well, I thought that was you. I just wanted to see if it was. I thought, well, that was a long walk just for. confirmation. But he said something about Camp Chioca, and I thought, oh, okay. And so I said, well, are you following Jesus?

Because I thought this is a situation here. Well, I don't know what his intentions are. So let's go ahead and cut to that chase, because if he's planning on putting me in the ground here, you know, because he was just acting kind of weird. And he said, well, I try to. And I thought, huh. I said, most people I've heard say that, that usually means they're not. Exactly.

It was just like, Jay, I was at a hotel recently, and I handed a guy a letter, and I said, can you get this in the outgoing mail? He said, I can certainly try. Yeah. I didn't feel good about that. Now, guess what? It never got there. Exactly.

Well, to be fair, that's a good communication policy. If you can't, don't promise it you can't deliver. That's right. Yeah. So that led to some clarity. I didn't ask him anything else. It led to, he said, yeah. He said, I kind of have always felt I'm on the fence.

And I said, what fence is that? And he's like, oh, you're right, which I didn't say anything. I just asked another. I was trying to go. You went Jesus out of. I went to question by question. I said, what fence is that? And he said, yeah, you're right.

He said, I think the devil's fence is in the wrong pasture or something like that. And I said, well, what do you? All you did was ask a question. He took your point. All I did was ask three or four questions. I said, what do you plan on doing about this? And he said, well, I don't know. I guess that's why I walked out here.

I said, okay, well, here's what I would do. So now who's seeking the treasure in the field? So after those three questions, which what's actually interesting is while I'm at that point of the conversation, another person pulls up and starts walking out toward me and him. And I said, well, looks like I have another person on their way out here to hear this same story. Because he never said why he was there. Never, never said. I said, you need to go get you a Bible and read the book of John and look at who Jesus is.

And then go all in because you're right to your point about the fence. You're either all in or all out. I said, where do you think you are? And he said, I think I'm all out. I said, well, go get you a Bible. So he got out the fence before the conversation was over. He turned around and took a half a mile walk back here. So the next guy who I actually recognized was part of the other crew.

But in the moment, I wasn't sure who he was. And he said, what was all that about? I said, he came out here and I told him by Jesus. So he was just coming to check on you, I guess. Yeah, he thought who is this. Because the guy looked, you know. Yeah. Look like he's on the pen.

Yeah. Well, you know, I just thought it took a lot for a person to park their vehicle and walk. Yeah. But to my point, the reason I brought that up, I think when you get to this section, I mean, we're just reading the details to Zach's point about what happened, which seems like this was a occurrence in human history where this went down. And you can go over to Israel and see. how they buried people, but I think the number one question that I get is what happens when

you die? You know, we were talking about my dad. What's happening right now? Yeah. You know, in my reason. Because this week, in particular, Judge, to your point, I have thought so many times because we've talked about him so much, we're talking about hunting, and then this thing with this, I mentioned earlier in the week, this, these people that came to Christ and because they watched a video of his and, you know, I get all these information. I thought, if there was ever a time where I wish he had an awareness of what was going on back here on earth, it would be today. I have no idea exactly what he's aware of.

So there is a big question about it. You know what I found fascinating, just in research and this, and I pulled this up in my history where I was looking at this, because, you know, a lot of this gets into kind of, I think the way we depict things in the church as members of Jesus. We kind of like what Zach did right off the bat, we talk about kind of the historical accuracy and evidence of this, even one of our past podcasts, I forgot who was here when we were talking about that.

Remember we was talking about their historical documentation about Jesus being here from the Romans and Josephus and just the history of all this. And you were mentioning that the universal acceptance is Pilot. Yeah, there were like two things that kind of all Christian, whatever brand they are, like universally agree on was that John the Baptist baptized Jesus and Pilot handed over, you know, Jesus to be crucified. So it's like in all the history and even all the forms of Jesus following people,

they all agree with that. Right. And even the world, I think, to a certain degree, says, okay, there was a guy named Jesus. It must have been a pretty good fellow if he's doing what he did. But I looked up because it gets into this, like, is it science? You know, I believe in science. And this is contrary to science. Even people go into creation, and they're like, they kind of look at that story. And they're like, that doesn't sound very scientific.

You know, their views of how the earth was formed. and the expanse. But I've always said, and I agree with, because I think most Christians will say, well, this is not a science book. That's not the purpose of it. I mean, Zach quoted me earlier about, it's about God getting his family back.

That's the overall arching thing. But what I did find interesting, I did, because it's fun now, AI, you can ask them questions, and you get fun answers. Because it's just, you have all this knowledge at the ready. So I basically put in there, how does the fact that matter can't be created or destroyed work with dead bodies that decompose? I was like, well, if matter can't, I wanted to hear, I was trying to be clever.

Yeah. And explain to me what happens when a person dies. So that has no spiritual connotation whatsoever. That was a scientific question. Well, it's amazing because it's amazing. because it's like it starts off saying this is not a violation of the law of thermodynamics when you die. And it tells you what happens. The bodies atoms are not destroyed but are broken down into simpler forms and return to the environment.

Microorganisms, along with physical and chemical processes, break down the organic matter, recycling the atoms into the soil, water, atmosphere to be used by other living things. The body's energy, this is why I'm reading this, the body's energy. Now, this is AI giving you the scientific summation. So even AI recognizes there's something a part of a human body beyond just the physical composure of the matter and the mass. The body's energy is also converted from chemical bonds into. heat dispersing into the surroundings. So nothing goes anywhere, according to science and AI.

So I did that because I wanted to read, I brought up that about the new creation that Jesus is introduced. So when you think about, you go back to Genesis 1, which I mean, I think we can all agree here that when you read the story of creation, when it says 26, 126. God said, let us make man in our likeness. And would you say

that's mankind, Genesis 126? It's interesting, I met people. They're like, oh, no, he just made one man, but... Yeah, I would say, yeah, it's all of mankind. You know, for two reasons, one, because he then repeats himself in the image of God, he created them both male and female. Yeah, I'm getting...

I was going to get that. there, but I just wanted to make sure And Genesis 9, too. Genesis 9 is another post-fall, post-Adam and Eve, referencing that all man's made in his image, which is why he says it's wrong to murder.

Well, right. So it says 126, in our likeness, so he made man in our image, in our likeness, which is interesting because when we get to the law, he's like, don't make images

or idols, but God can make images or idols, which is basically us. That's right. You know, the word for that image there is like statue. We're the representation of God. And then it says, and then he gives us a job. So he made humans and let them rule over the fish. So it's interesting that humans were created to rule over the fish, the birds, the sea, over all the earth.

and over all the creatures that move along the ground. So verse 27, so God created man, there it is again, in his own image, in the image of God, he created him. Male and female, he created them. So then you're jumping ahead. Well, but then you get the kind of, I think this is where the idea of what we call the Trinity kind of is a building block of,

because, well, now you have one mankind, he's making man, but now you have two versions of the species that have different characteristics. So I think that's interesting. Because if you're made in his image, well now he's male and female and you thank God, Jesus is the Holy Spirit. And by the way, then those two are then, they then have the capacity in its godlike to then create another new life.

Yeah. Yeah, I would actually argue that when he, He says, let us make man in our image. He is speaking about not just Adam. He's speaking about male and female together in a union. Because I do, to your point, Jason, I think it mirrors his nature, right? You have the loved and the beloved and the lover, and then the creation of life between them is love itself, which is new life, which is father's son, spilling out into Holy Spirit eternally. And then marriage reflects that.

Which is why you see all the family reference when you get into the New Testament, the new covenant, it's all about family, right? The children of God, brothers and sisters. I mean, you see all that terminology describing his people. You know, it's a family. It's a family. So then he goes on to say, you say, what does this have to do with the burial of Jesus? Well, I think you have to go back and kind of look when this wasn't just amen. this was God being a man.

Yeah. And so when he died, what happened? Well, you go back and see what is the makeup of a man. So you have, where does it say he took him from the dust of the earth? Where's that at? That's in two, seven. So two seven, let's read that, which, yeah, the Lord God, formed the man from the dust.

Because when you get to chapter two, it's like he tells the same story. Yeah. But now he's giving the specifics of how it happened. Yeah, a different angle. The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life, which he had already mentioned in 130 because it says,

into all the birds of the air, the creatures that move on the ground, everything that has the breath of life in it. So here we have kind of what makes up, what I just read from the science. So you would say, well, man consists of basically the dust of the earth, if you believe this to be true. And the divine breath of God, that energy. that brings a person as a living being, which what's interesting is a lot of the translations call that soul,

which can be confused. Yeah. Because think of that song, what's the Psalm that says, as the deer, pants for the water. So my soul longs after you. Is he talking about a person? Body and soul and spirit, or is he just talking about that soul? And I think it's the person.

That's how you're viewed as a living being. Same reference when Paul said, remember in Acts 17, it's like as some of your poets have said, we live and move and are in our being because of him. And you're right, because this is sort of a misunderstanding of those components you mentioned has created a lot of kind of wonky things on the Christianity side. I think we get confused on those terms too. Like the spirit, Dallas Willard would say something like

that's like your executive center. It's like your will. Your soul is the integration of the wholeness of what it means to your being. It's the integration point of all that. And I know it gets complicated, but when it comes to your body, I mean, it is key to understand that to be a human, like we're not, we're not just a spirit. We are spirits with a body. And that is a, that is the distinctive role of our humanity, right?

Is that to be human, what does it mean to be human? It actually means you're actually the connecting place of heaven and earth. We talk about that all the time, heaven and earth, connecting in a temple. So it makes sense that eventually we've become the temple, right? Because we are, we are spirit, but we're also matter. we're also physical. And both are good. And there's not one over the other.

They're both, God holds them both in very high esteem. And so when you had mentioned that law of thermodynamics, I was thinking about it for those who may have been like, wait, what? That's a little deep. They did a study, they've done a lot of these chemistry studies where they would, they essentially would burn, they would weigh it like a,

they would weigh the material before they burned it. And let's say it's 10 pounds. And then they would burn that material. in a vacuum, and then they were able to measure the weight of the ash and the soot and the, and the smoke itself, and they could weigh everything. And what happens is, is that when they would burn the wood up, for example, they burned the woods, they waste 10 pounds before they burned it. Once they weighed everything afterwards, the smoke and the ash and the so, guess what it weighs? Guess what it weighs? Ten pounds. It's the same. And so the point is, is that matter and energy,

we can't create new matter and we can't create energy all that can happen according to thermodynamics is that it can be transferred into other forms and so it is important when you think about

when I die what happens well my body goes in the ground and if it sits there long enough no matter if it was embalmed or not if it sits there long enough guess what it turns into dirt

and heat as you mentioned but it's still here in the atmosphere and for people that are like asking questions like, should I be cremated, should I be buried? I mean, I mean,

I think, you know, you got to remember that Adam was formed out of the dust, as you just mentioned. So when Christ comes back, he could, it doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics for him to pull all that back together and these atoms back together into something new.

But I do think one other thing, whatever he does at the, at the second, at a resurrection, you will have a different kind of body, just like Jesus did. So whatever it is. Well, that's where we're headed to the resurrection. But to your point, you could have your body just immediately evaporated into dust,

and then you could get one of those old-timey dust busters, and we could like put you in there. Your coffin could be a dustbuster. Yeah, it could be. I don't even know if they still sell them. They do. But guess what? It's still there. Well, look, and not only that, Jayes, I look.

How do you come up with this stuff? I mean, that's like, what you remember the dustbush? Yeah, I remember the dustbuster. Because when I first saw a dustbuster, I thought, here we go again. They're using godly principles. They're like, oh, no, let's take care of that dust and tuck it away. Yeah, we're just. Hey, that dust is me, buddy.

You know? But look, I learned, Jason, when I went to, did a little tour of New Orleans cemeteries a few years ago, that we're all cream. Like down there, it's funny because and Zach's right. Eventually, everybody's cremated. It may take some time but you're all going to wind up there and when you go into New Orleans, the same as these tombs were reading about that Jesus

was in and others. You know, the cremation happens naturally. I mean, the process you mentioned. And so in New Orleans, they go in down there and the Catholic church owns almost all the cemeteries. The city only owns one in New Orleans. It was just interesting, one or two.

And all the rest of the Catholics own it. Well, they rent them, basically. So they go in a year after you put a body in there. Because of Louisiana, the heat, they're above the ground. You go in there a year later, guess what? Dustbuster. Yeah. Because you're just a little pile there, and then they put another one in there.

So to the point of should we be, should we be, is it wrong to be? Well, I think we'll answer that question as we go on. But I just, before we conclude this part, I wanted to read this. If you go on in the story in Genesis 2, in verse 15, the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden to work. So work was happening and ruling was happening before sin and the curse. It's not a curse to work. That's right.

He made you. And it's not a curse to rule. Yeah. And when it says, and this is, we're going through this again. In verse 19, now the Lord God had formed all out of the ground, all the beast of the field, all the beast of the field and all the birds of the air. So the same process is happening even with the animals. And so Adam, no suitable helper was found.

He gets into the details about that. He makes the woman from the rib, which is dust also. That's right. And then what happens? Well, this evil spirit comes along, has this conversation, tells the lie, and there's a sin happens. death is introduced as an invader. But we were made to have a being, the divine breath, in a body. And so that's kind of where we'll leave off, I guess, for when we come back.

But after the sin, you remember what part of the curse was that in verse 319, it says, by the sweat of your bow, you will eat, not because they had to work, but because now there's thorns and all these different kind of obstacles. Evil has been unleashed. Yeah. Until you return to the ground since from it you were taken. And then he has this little deal about the tree of life. And then you realize what eternal life is.

It's a gift. even they were created and given a gift to live eternal, but their bodies were perishable. Well, why was there a tree of life there? It was a gift of God. Because it is a gift of God, and it will always be a gift of God to live forever. So that's kind of where this is coming from,

and then we'll bring it to. And that also, I love that we're leaving here, because that also explains what a big deal this is about the body of Jesus being. on that cross and now in that tomb will later be resurrected because this changes everything. This is a reset. It's a reset and

I think it answers questions about heaven and hell about what happens after you die. And we'll get into that. But I think unless you use this as the foundation, the new creation can get real confusing. And look, there's a lot of

doctrines out there about what happens in between. So we'll address them next. Yeah, I will say this just as we're closing out, that the key thing to remember is whatever, whatever happens after we die right here, and we've got to be careful with this, but it's true, is it's not the final thing. I'm not saying it's better. Well, that's what we're going to get to, but we're like, why is Jesus doing this? My whole point is we're reading a story. Why is he doing this?

What happened and why? Because literally he could have transformed right there on the cross the second he died. Because he's kind of being, uh, setting the, he's blazing the trail for future humans. And I think, I really think after you hear the next podcast, you'll feel better. Yeah. About what's going to happen to you in the end. I think so. All right.

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