Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1229 | Jase Suffers a Brutal Concussion That Leaves Him Reeling for Days

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Jase reveals how a self-inflicted head mishap left him dizzy and forgetting things for days, and the chaos only worsened when he found himself accidentally trapped in the middle of a small-town parade he never meant to join. A veteran’s gripping war stories demonstrate how vulnerable our bodies may be and how powerful it can be to live an indestructible life in Jesus. The guys jump into Mary’s encounter at the empty tomb, Jesus’ role as both king and high priest, and why God still sends imperfect people to carry the greatest news in the world. In this episode: John 20, verses 1–18; Luke 1, verses 67–79; John 5, verses 39–40; Leviticus 16, verses 3–4 and following; Psalm 16, verse 10; Acts 2, verses 25–33; Hebrews 2, verses 14–15; Hebrews 7, verse 16; Hebrews 13, verses 11–13; Zechariah 6, verses 12–13; 1 Corinthians 15, verses 12–22 Chapters: 00:00-09:34 Jase concusses himself  09:35-17:00 Two firsts in one day for Jase 17:01-28:33 Why the Ark of the Covenant matters today 28:34-39:21 Being a scapegoat is the worst thing to be 39:22-49:10 Jesus role plays a gardener 49:11-56:02 War stories reveal the power of an indestructible life — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We just had a whole podcast before we had a podcast. But there was nothing worthy of being on the podcast, I don't think. Was it? I'm not sure. Look, here's a lot worthy of it.

The question is, can we put it out there? Well, it started with me looking at Zach Saddie. It's like it's a foreign language. And then Maddie noticed it's upside down. The printing is upside down on your hat, Zach. I don't know if you know that or not. Well, and then he said he got it out of a bin that was free. And it's kind of like the reason I don't pull over on the side of the road and get a free couch.

When you see a chair there? I didn't say that. What I said was I said it was in the chair next to me and I needed a hat. So I just picked it up and put it on. Well, you had a look about you today that I thought looked good. You kind of got a little shacket going. But then I looked at your hat, and then I was like, I can't read it. It's like another language.

And then it says, do what, backwards and upside down? Yep. I don't know. Is it upside down? It's upside down and backwards from our angle. I think it fits you perfectly. I don't know what it is. I've never seen a product because after I thought it was some Hebrew word that he was going to tell us what it actually meant.

And the back says raised rowdy. whatever that means. Rosed Rowdy. This shows you that free merchandise. I don't know, but somebody just got a good mention. They pulled it off, so. So if you have a business called Raised Rowdy,

the people that Raised Rowdy are fist pumping right now. You've got a shameless plug. I've had a lot of things happen in the last week or so that have been like the first. It just seems like. We haven't filmed in a week, yes. Yeah, there's strange. Well, I went to Kansas. and went hunting.

Did you notice in the notes? I put Jay's chip to the land of the redleggers. Al, I hate to tell you this. I did not read the notes today, nor do I have any notes. I'm not surprised. But I went to Kansas, and about an hour into the hunt, my good buddy Barrett was standing up in his corner of the blind. And I, for some reason, I think we had a down duck that I was hurriedly trying to go

after and he had in the construction of his blind he had a metal rod sticking out right about head high if you've been over and tried to get out real quick oh that thing hit me and I lost all mode of being for 15 seconds and here's what's fascinating because we're filming this for duck commander there was a cameraman unbeknownst to me, right on my heels. He was going to film this. So I hit this metal rod, knocked myself out for 10 seconds.

And this is on camera? No, he was just, he wasn't filming. Oh, okay. He was getting ready to him. Well, he was just falling. He was chasing me, and I'm not used to cameraman chasing me like that. Well, after I hit it, he hit it.

It was a double-dough popption. And we're both frolicing on the floor, And Barrett said, yep, I should have been sitting down because everyone who's ever tried to do this has hit that rock. And someone said, you know, it might need a saw if this keeps happening. Is he doing it for amusement now? So I thought, okay, I'm okay, okay. But I looked at the cameraman, and, you know, he was dressed like a cameraman. I had two hats on.

I had a little cushion, so I didn't think there was any blood, which there was. But he just had like a flat-billed hat on, and blood is coming down his face. Oh, no. And his looked way worse, even though it was more. Facial lacerations. Well, it was right on his forehead. It just cut him right in the top of his head all the way to the back of his head. And just like a goose egg popped up on his head.

Oh, it was bad, and tears were streaming down his eyes. And I couldn't make fun of him because tears were streaming down my eyes. Was this the new guy that a little interned? young guy? No, they hired these two guys out. They met us. I think he was from Virginia. But look, we had a great. He'll never be back. We had a great, no, I think he'll be back, because we had a great Bible study as the two days developed. Well, of course. When the guy almost dies, you know, you got him right there right where you won't. So I didn't have a good, we had a great hunt, got some spectacular footage. I'm sure you'll see that somewhere on the internet at a future

date, but I did not shoot well because I was perfectly fine until that happened. And I think I had a concussion because for three days, it was searing pain. I felt nauseated. Yeah, that's concussion. And when I looked at it in the mirror, because I didn't take my hat off for three days, which I know that sounds crazy, but we're at, he's cold. Well, you just, yes, in Kansas, you just go, I slept on the couch because everybody that was in our party snores so bad. It's the only place I thought I could sleep. But when I got home and took a shower for the first time in three days, I know that's yucky. I looked up there and thought, I have a wound on my head.

It just looked like a crust. A brick, yeah. So I lived to tell about it. But then, so yesterday, or let's see, day before yesterday. I heard a lot about the hunt, but I never heard this part. Oh, it was terrible. And I shot so bad because every time my gun went off, if you have a concussion. Oh, that's terrible.

It was just, it was so miserable. And I'm giving that as an excuse. That's the only thing I can think of. I just didn't want to shoot because I had a headache for three days. It's like when you got an elbow problem in your golfing. Like, you know when the ball's going to, when you're going to strike the ground, you wince. And it just. Yeah.

You know what's crazy is because one of the members of our party is the nurseman, Chad. So I'm like, well, I have my own doctor with me. He's a nurse, whatever they call him. He's a nurse practitioner. Yeah. So he's like, well, you just need to get plenty of rest. And I'm like, I'm with you in Kansas. Where are?

He's like giving me the speech. He goes into the lacquer and the ER. Yeah. So basically there's no cure. He's like, there's no cure. Now, maybe you should just hang out at the count while we hunt. Yeah. Us men.

Yeah, you don't go while we hunt. So we made it. But anyway, I come back. and we had some guests. It was actually our friend, Blake Cook, who was on the podcast. And we had a social gathering. Yeah, he and his wife were in town this weekend. Saturday for a duck hunt.

Look, Sadie and her husband, Christian, they came. I heard about this. We had... Did I understand that she had never been in a duck line before? Never been in an adult line. Which that shocked me. I just, because the way I heard it was that she had, once dad was gone, she kind of regretted, she never went hunting with dad.

Yeah, she did. That was the main reason she went. And then we had John Luke there. He just wanted to see his sister hunting for the first time. We had Christian's brother and wife there, and Blake was there. The pitcher, his brother used to pitch in the Major League. Well, he was talking about baseball, so I guess so. He plays in the national.

And you know what it developed? Because we never fired our guns. No ducks came in. the decoys which was fine with me because I was just because I said I gave a safety speech and I was like the number one goal of this gathering is survival survival of the and so it basically turned out to be a Bible study in a duck line for three or four hours Blake was there okay so we we gave him the secret hole this morning he's been here for a couple of days because he spoke locally and gave away all those bicycle

Yeah, yeah. His company gave away like 200 bicycles. Yeah, it was a fascinating story. But we had one little place on our property where the ducks have kind of been nesting. And here's another first. I didn't know that this year for the first time in the history of my duck hunting career, they're closing the first split on a Monday. Yeah. So I went hunting.

Which is why we planned a podcast schedule never knowing all that because that's never happened. So we're starting late. and I did not fire my weapon today. We had a chance at three. I told you that was one story I told you before we started. But we never had a chance, but we put Jay and Blake and their little entourage in the one place that hadn't been hunting.

They had to shoot them up. They had to shoot them up. And the one chance we had, I was hunting with the not as skilled hunters in my blind, and we had three come in on their side, and I just looked down and thought they're not going to be able to shoot those. So I tried to give them one more pass.

You don't think it was still your secret concussion fear now because you may be like a, you may be like a lab that gets scared of guns now. So I actually feel better. But I was going to tell you another first. Yesterday I went, well, I'll tell you two first. Yesterday I went and had to pick up the decoys at another place. And I had one bunch of big mallards,

10 mallards, circle me 30 times. I was by myself. I only hunted about 45 minutes before sunset, and they didn't come in. But it was sad. But as soon as shooting hours was over, I walked out to pick up the decoys, and I heard just wings flapping.

I looked up, and a snow goose comes in the decoys while I'm standing there and lit 15 yards from me. And I thought, is the Lord fixed to come back? I've hunted there for 30 years, and I've never seen a snow goose. show any interest in anything down there. And it lit in the decoys, which it wasn't legal shooting hours.

And so I just kind of waved, and he got up and headed south. So I don't know. So the saying lost as a goose fit. That duck, I mean that duck. That goose was lost. He was lost. And he saw me down there messing around with duck decoys,

and he lit. So that was kind of weird. But yesterday I was going to tell this story. So we, or when we had the little gad, the social gathering and the duck blind, which was fine, because we don't have a lot of ducks. And I thought, yeah, come on. I thought we would get a shot at something, but we didn't.

Well, on the way home, every year in our community, south of West Monroe, they do a parade. I don't know, is it a Christmas parade? It's the Balkanville Christmas Redneck Parade. Redneck Christmas. Do they call it a Redneck? They call it a Redneck Christmas. I've been in that parade. I've actually

Si and mom have been the grand marshals Well that tells you all you need to know Well every year I've been lucky Because I see the long Traffic And I'm like oh no it's that parade And so I usually turn around Thousands come to it

So look It's a big deal Yesterday I'm the fifth car at the red light When the cop car comes up And stops And I thought What are we doing here?

And I realize they're fixed and do this parade and I'm the fifth car. I'm going to be here for hours. You had the best seat in the house. I stayed there about 30 minutes and I watched the first few floats and I thought, I can't do this. I've got to take an alternate route. And so I turn around and here's the picture that I want to convey to make our spiritual transition here. Here's what I realized. So the rednecks are celebrating. And I can call them that because I am one deep at heart.

And our family have been the Grand Marshal. Yeah. And so they're so happy. And there are thousands of people, not hundreds, thousands watching this. And it's a parade. And they have shut down the entire city. There's no way in or out. But I tried to take an alternate route, which I had taken in years past.

But they had expanded the route. And so by the time I go two roads over 20 minutes in, I'm back stuck at a red light. It's like, no, and I can barely see the parade. But here's what I noticed. All the people standing and join the parade, they're happy, happy, happy. All the people who have somewhere to be, they're not happy. They're angry. Well, let me mention before we get to our study today about our good friends at Family Research Council,

Jason mentioned the division he saw here in our neighborhood over people that were like for something and against something. And I think that's a kind of a standing picture of what it looks like in our country now. You know, it's like, I talked about that in my sermon as well. But, you know, we need people like standing up for us. And that's what Family Research Council does. They're on Capitol Hill. They defend faith. They protect families. And they remind leaders that biblical things matter. And so they're, they're, they're, saying is pray, vote, stand, which I really love. So Tony Perkins is a great friend. He's from Louisiana.

We want you to check these guys out. Help FRC keep defending what matters most. Visit FRC.org slash unashamed to learn more. And it made me think about our world within a world as kingdom people. We're celebrating that we're going to live forever. We have forgiveness. We have found the love of God. We're representing God.

And we want to have a parade about it. And yet the people who don't know what's going on are not participating, they're angry. There were more near wrecks and one wreck of people trying to turn around. And the only way I got out of this thing is because an ambulance had to get through the parade because two people had collided behind me trying to turn around and get out of there. And so everybody had to move around a little bit to let the ambulance go. And you saw your crease. I got in behind that ambulance, and I said, let's ride.

Wherever we're going, he turned off. I got through 30 minutes later I was at my house, which wasn't terrible. But it was three hours. It was a three-hour delay just to get around. So there's my spiritual application. Yeah, I heard about that. What's funny, Jay's his, on the notes you didn't read, it says Sadie joins the Duckman. Blake returns and gives away bikes

and the only thing I didn't have was the redneck Christmas for a redneck Christmas. So I covered it all. I was a part of that. Well, I spoke at the hub which is a little community gathering in downtown Monroe.

Yeah, that we and Corey kind of say to do. Yeah, oversee it last week and he spoke last night. So I said, how did it go? No, but I said how'd it go? And he's like,

I went way too long. And he said, I feel bad about that. I said, don't feel bad about that. I was good, it was good. Which is kind of funny because I preached yesterday, and I only went like 25 minutes. Oh, I thought it was spectacular. But I will say this.

It sounded like an overview of about two podcasts we did. That's exactly what it was, Joe. I had already started working on some of my stuff, but then you had done a similar lesson like a week ago. And so I'm listening and I'm making notes, you know, I'm a note-taker. I thought it was fantastic. So it was, we were doing a little series about Christmas gifts this December. But it was king-related.

So I was, so I, that's what I did. And Jay's did a similar lesson. And I took some of his stuff with some of my stuff. But it was really good. I mean, I thought it went great. But I just didn't realize I look up. and it was 25 minutes, I was done. Yeah, it was fantastic.

And I got there one. Like sometimes a short sermon is good. I got there one minute before you started and I left a few minutes after. But no, it was fan. I thought it was, you know, when you talk about who we follow and serve, which is kind of going back to my parade thought, it is so exciting. Yeah. And the people responded to you.

They did. They did. And we had an all to, everybody was in the same room yesterday. It was exciting. It was a lot of good back and forth, as they say. Yeah, that's a good listen. We'll put the way to listen to that. I thought it was excellent.

Yeah, it's called Gifts Fit for a King, and it was kind of a setup for what we'd be doing the rest of the summer. But I got into the three wise men and all that stuff. We'll do that on Christmas Eve. It's just interesting stuff. And I got into these cultural kings, and I was able to tell the story,

not the full story, but I told the story I've told them to hear many times about dad saying he traded in the king of beers for the king. of kings. Oh, that's one of the greatest stories ever. It is. It's such a good line. Yeah, I was talking about the, uh, Zach, my lead in on the sermon was the no kings, which I, we had talked about a little bit on the podcast, a couple of podcasts ago. I think we talked about it a lot. Yeah. And so we had, and Zach kind of gave the, the narrative about, you know, that we don't want to follow anybody on earth. And we kind of came to the idea that it's no king but Jesus. And I use that line, Zach, And when I said it yesterday, it was just an eruption came out of the audience, which is really no king but Jesus.

So that was my line. If that doesn't land in your church, you've got issues, right? Exactly. Exactly. This is what it's all about. So in our text, we're in John chapter 20, and we had gotten into the last time we were together, and it's been a minute, we had gotten into the empty tomb. I think we did the first nine verses. whenever Peter and John, or we assume it's John, run to the tomb.

Of course, Mary Magdalene is already there, and then you read about her interaction in some of the other Gospels, but then he's going to mention that in our next text in John Chapter 20. But I don't know if there was anything else that you guys wanted to say about that the first nine verses, in terms of the kind of the back and forth, them looking in there. I think we mentioned last time that, I think I mentioned last time, that the thing I mentioned last, time that we had three different Greek words for C, and it was kind of interesting because the first one, John kind of glances in and sees that he's not there. Peter just goes right in, charges in, and the next Greek word for Saul is he kind of theorizes that he's gone, like the stuff's laid out,

but he's not there. So it's a different Greek word for C. And then the third one, the third one is that John sees and believes. And that's in verse 8. And that word is to understand something finally. And it's funny because John says in his book, in the verse, in verse 90, he says, they still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead. And he's got to be talking about Scripture, the Hebrew Scriptures, the Old Testament, which was, we've said before, even though it's in there alluded to,

It was not clear because none of the rulers understood, and what I mean by rulers in the spiritual forces of evil, celestial rulers, that Jesus would ultimately defeat. Think that Hebrews 2, I bring that up all the time. But by his death, he destroyed him who had the power of death. That is the devil. That's Hebrews 214. And free us from our slavery of the fear of death.

So it's profound statement. But because you would think they would read it. And because a lot of those scriptures talking about redemption, the one coming, the sun coming, think like in the first couple of chapters in the book of Luke in those songs, Zachariah song, talking about John the Baptist. And the word redemption is used of this one that is coming. And then you see all the stories that he does where he's, the miracles think of just all the healings that took place.

He's showing that he has the power of death-related things. Like, you know, when we have a skin disease or our back is hurting, these are all reminders that death is coming. Yeah. Our body is breaking down. No matter what you, you know, as Phil famously said, you can work out and eat right and you'll die pretty healthy, but you're still going to die.

And so I think that that was just missed from the Old Testament scriptures because how could you even conceive it? You're just not thinking, oh, he's going to redeem Israel and all of humanity while he's at it by coming back from the dead. And you read the text that Peter quotes in Acts 2

from Psalms, where it talked about his body would not see to Yeah, which was again. What is that? 31 or 16 in Psalm. Yeah. What's interesting, though, when you think about the significance of the MPTM, I know, Jay's kind of mentioned it in one of the last previous podcast,

that it was this place of kind of a sanctuary of the new creation that was going to burst forth in the resurrection of Christ. But there's some interesting, what seemed to be obscure verses in here that I think have tremendous impact in those first nine verses of chapter 20 but I wanted to read something before I read it this is in Leviticus chapter 16 in verse um let's see here about verse four and kind of give you an idea here this is when God's talking to Moses and he's basically like you need tell Aaron you know Aaron don't tell him not to go into the holy of holies unless he can he can go in there in this one day it's the day of Yom Kippur when he makes a

the sin offering. And it says in verse three, in this way, this is verse three of Leviticus 16, in this way, Aaron shall come into the holy place with a bull from the herd for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. And he shall put on the holy linen coat and shall have the linen undergarment on his body. And he shall tie the sash around his waist. He shall wear the linen turban. these are the holy garments. He shall bathe his body in water and then put them on. He shall take from the congregation of the people of Israel two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burn offering. Then basically he's going to go in there and he's going to essentially make the sacrifice. And then he's going to do something that's kind of interesting.

He's going to leave the linens behind. And that was part of the Leviticus. Go back and read the whole chapter, Leviticus, chapter 16. He's going to leave. He's going to read. He's going to read. remove the linens and he's going to lead them in the sanctuary before he puts on his priestly garments after that. So the reason why this is matters, because when you get to John 20, what you're actually seeing is you're seeing another picture of the temple because you guys remember what was on top of the, the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy of Holies that was guarding it. It was the two angels. The cherub. And then it was the seat. They made a seat, right? Yeah. So here in the empty tomb, you have the angels that are on,

each side of the slab where Jesus is body laid. And then what do you see lying, according to John chapter 20, verse 6 and 7, you see the linens that Christ left behind. And so what you're, what you're witnessing in this empty tomb is you're actually witnessing the accomplishment of everything that was in that holy of holies. You're seeing it right there. That's the whole point of the book of Hebrews, by the way, is that Christ is accomplishing all of this. So he leaves the linens behind, just like the priest would leave the linens behind as well. You have the two angels guarding over the tomb, I mean guarding over the slab,

just like they guarded over the Ark of the Covenant. Like everything is being fulfilled in this moment. So this empty tomb, it's not just like a middle part of the story. It's a significant moment here in biblical history. It's a great point, Zay. In fact, it reminded me of a text I read in my sermon yesterday from Zechari 6 when he says, tell him what the Lord Almighty says. Here's the man whose name is the branch. He will branch out from his

place and build the temple of the Lord. It is he who will build the temple of Lord and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on the throne. And there will be harmony between the two. And it's another Old Testament picture, which is quite a bit later, of course, with the minor prophets with Zachari. But he's painting the same picture you just described way back in Leviticus, this idea that in Jesus, you had both a king and a high priest, even in that moment, which is very powerful. Which I said, that was the coronation of Jesus as king

was his resurrection, and then the reign is the ascension. So, I mean, it's just right there, you see the whole thing. Well, to just back up, on the verses that we were referring to in Psalm, Psalm 16, 8 and 9 and 10. I'll read verse 9 and 10. It says, therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices. My body also will rest secure because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your holy one see decay.

And that's the same passage that Peter would later use in Acts 2. First sermon. And my point is, John is saying here, well, they didn't even understand from scripture that Jesus had to be raised from the dead. Yeah. But they figured it out. Yeah, they did.

That understanding of seeing, which what Zach just accurately described, all of this started making sense to them. Like, oh. Which, look, it's a familiar thing that Jesus brought up. You remember in John 5 where he's like, You study these scriptures thinking he was talking to the Jewish leaders that you'll possess eternal life, but you refuse to come to me and have life. These scriptures are talking about me.

Yeah. And yet you refuse to come to me and have life. So it was in there the whole time, which is what we do now is while we keep going back or forward, because the scriptures are pointing to this, to Jesus. because it then makes sense on why Paul would say, if Christ hadn't been raised from the dead, you're dead and your sins. Your faith is futile.

Your preaching is useless. You remember first Christ, it's 15? The whole thing's about the resurrection. But he's tying everything to that because there is a defeat of the enemies that occurred with Jesus coming back from the dead, which he was showing the signs of that in all the healings and,

Seems like they would have figured out. I mean, I thought about that story in Luke where, remember the woman who has been over for 18 years or whatever? And he basically uses a word for redemption on what's fiction to occur. And then when he refers to it, he's like, Satan had this woman bound up for 18 years. So he's equating this defeat of the evil one in that he can bring. people out from under not only suffering but death itself all these signs of death can be gone oh yeah which is powerful i had never i had never thought about that pictures of the two angels on the end of that slab i mean yeah we talked about that earlier i had not thought about that i don't remember that but that's a

beautiful i tell you what's interesting it's so funny how how much of this really does go into the term we talk about a lot of eschatology but I was with a guy this week who is a Jewish guy and he is in he's in Hollywood he's done a ton of movies that we've all seen and we just kind of connected at this event we were at and we got to talking about it started off with the he's building out this deconsolidation like it's complex but it's basically cryptocurrency it's all deconsolidation to me and I said man I really really feel like everything we need to deconsolate we need to deconsolate and I thought he was a Christian at first and I said were you are you a Christian and he said oh I love Jesus I think Jesus is

amazing he said but I'm Jewish and I said I tell you what need what really needs to be deconsolidated he said what's that and I said I think that what you see if you read the Bible is you would see that there's a deconsolidation of the temple there's a deconsolidation of the priesthood there's a deconsolidation of the sacrifice. And he's like, what do you mean? I said, when's the last time you've been into the temple? He said, we don't have one. I said, interesting. I said, when's the last time you've seen a sacrifice? When have you made a sacrifice for your sin or had a priest make one? He said, never. I said, when have you met with a priest or a high priest? He said, never. And so I went through the whole literally Bible with this guy and just explaining to him that what you're seeing in Jesus is you're

seeing a deconsolidation of the temple and that Jesus will become that cornerstone and then we'll be little deconsolidated temples running around. I said, you see a deconsolidated priesthood. Jesus is the high priest, but we're little priests, deconsolated priest running around. And I said, and you'll see a deconsolidated sacrifice where Christ was the ultimate sacrifice, but then we offer our bodies as living sacrifices holy and pleasing to God. This is their spiritual act to worship. I said, you realize that that's what you're called to. And he said, man, I just feel like like God's doing something in my life right now. I don't know what, he's wanted me to know something.

I don't know what it is, but I know I'm here for a reason. I said, no, he doesn't want you to know something. He wants you to know someone in his name is Jesus. And I thought, man, it's interesting that Jesus really, even today, like I'm talking to this guy, he knew the Old Testament scriptures, but he had not, he's not yet met the one that they point to, not really met him. He knew about him, but he hadn't really submitted his life to Christ. And I was just like, that's so cool that I'm seeing this everywhere we turn now.

And you see it right here in John, John chapter 20. I mean, you see it. Jesus is the fulfillment of the whole thing. Yeah, that guy was the embodiment of that verse 9. He didn't understand from the scriptures. Well, yeah. It's so weird you brought up Leviticus 16 because a few podcasts ago, we talked about the two different goats and the Day of Atonement.

And one of my buddies sent me a text, and it just said, but the scapegoat died that's all it said well when i first read it i thought what i mean it was no explanation i've been listening to your podcast it was just but the scapegoat died and i thought i think we talked about that on the podcast so i went through this and uh so then we talked about it yesterday after your sermon you know i was like well i mean you had no explanation there but he was thinking Well, even though he didn't die in the moment, because he was like, okay, well, one of them did die, and one of them, they sent him out alive,

which, look, I don't claim to be a scholar on that, but when you look at it, somehow Jesus is showing both of those goats in New Testament, because I brought up Hebrews 13. It's a really interesting verse in Hebrew. where it's like so Jesus suffered outside the camp to make the people holy, let us then go to him outside the camp, burying the disgrace he bore.

So it's like you had one lamb as a symbolic purification sacrifice for the sins of the people, and then you have this other one. And it gets confusing because the word for that is sometimes translated as a zeal, which then we talk about. about that and it just seems to be recognizing that it's it's like a they some people call that that goat like the goat of expulsion like you're getting that out into the wilderness

where the thing is it has to be away from us the idea was the and it really is it's i mean it came from god so obviously it's it's good the idea is and zach talks about this all the time you can't have the presence of God and the presence of sin and flaw. And so that's therein lies the problem. And so they were symbolically dealing with it. But then Jesus took the symbols away because he actually dealt with it. Well, that's what he was asked. He was like, well, how do you simplify that?

And I was like, that's a really good question. Yeah, yeah. Because you read that Leviticus 16 and you see these symbols. But I made the point. I know Jesus fulfilled it. He fulfilled this. and it comes back to the presence of God. God wants to live with people.

That's how this all started. And then the interruption wasn't just that human sin. It was also an interruption of an evil presence, tempting, lying, opposing God. And so not only was God going to deal with man's sin, and the cross says a lot about that, how he dealt with it, but he was also going to deal with the human. these enemies that were aiding and abetting to that happening.

And it gives you a picture, and Jesus fulfilled all that. But it was very hard for these disciples in the moment to wrap their head around all this, is the point. And I think that's why he said that. They just didn't understand from Scripture, and I still think us today are having a problem of that, even post-resurrection. Oh, there are no doubts. That's true. And the other thing is that God chose, has chosen to do this over the expansion of from our concept time and the humanity going from a handful of people to now 8 billion people. I mean, that like, why did he choose to do it the way he's done it and through Jewish history? It's the way he decided he was going to do it. I mean, it's, I understand you'd like to say, man, I wish this was.

or less complicated, but human beings are complicated. But don't you find that that's our problem? Yeah. Is we, and why we don't recognize it? Because deep down, we want to do it the way we think it makes sense. Exactly. And there's a God, and we're not him. That's right.

And I think he pulled it off because this happened before technology and everything else. And it's probably the most known story in the history of the world. Right. as it should be as it should be because nobody's ever done this for it let me read this next part of the text and we'll get into it just a little bit on this podcast and the next um so the john leaves it off there they didn't really understand it but they will as jay said in fact it's probably going to come later in the reading when he breathes the holy spirit into them that they start figuring things out verse 10 says this disciples go back to their homes which at this point or i was as i was

would call them hideouts because, you know, things are upside down. They don't know what's going on. Jesus is not there, and they really still don't understand what's going on. Does somebody steal his body? Is he still alive? But Mary stood outside the tomb crying. So this is Mary Maglan, but there's also some other women that are in one of the other gospels, or at least one more.

As she wept, she'd been over to look into the tomb, and here's where she sees two angels in white, seated where Jesus's body. had been, one of the head and the other at the foot. That's that picture Zach described, which really is that the cover for the Arch of the Covenant, which is amazing. They asked her, woman, why are you crying? And then she says, they've taken my Lord away. So she thought somebody stole his body, and I don't know where they put him. At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. And, And there's been a lot made of that.

What does that mean? And he says, woman, why are you crying? Who is it you were looking for? Thinking he was the gardener. And he kind of was, Jay. Yeah. That's a good mistake. Yeah.

She said, sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you put him and I will get it. So Jesus says to her, Mary, she turns toward him and she cries out in Aramaic. Rabona, which means teacher. So now she's recognizing. I don't know if it's from his voice or just he did something to make himself recognizable. Yeah, I think it's kind of lost in translation. But however he said her name in that way, she got it. She's like, oh, this is Jesus.

This is him. Jesus says, do not hold on to me. And there's been a lot made of that. It could be just as simple as she probably grabbed him, you know, like, oh, I got grabbed it. She probably was at his feet. It's like it's going to be like old time. Exactly. Yeah. Do not hold on it before. I have not yet returned to the father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, I am returning to my father and your father to my God and your God. And I never realized. Which is a profound statement. Very profound because he's never said that to them before.

This is something new and very powerful, which we'll discuss. Mary Magdalene then went to the disciples with the news. have seen the Lord. So the first person to witness the resurrected Lord was a woman who had had seven demons cast out of her. So much for, you know, this God is demeaning about women. I mean, the first person who got to declare he's risen is Mary. I mean, not, think about it, not only was it a woman in that culture and in that system where she could not testify in a course. And, proceeding or anything else, but she had also been tainted by demons, which would mean she was double disqualified. I mean, this is, everything about this. It's, it's what they call an embarrassing detail if you're in the apologetics community. And what they mean by that is this is a

detail that it would have would have been embarrassing in the time that it was written. So if you're, one of the thoughts is from a lot of the New Testament scholars is that if you're making up the story, then if you're making up the story in that time period, you would never have the testimony of a woman being the first witness to the scene because the testimony of a woman wasn't credible in this particular time period. And so the very fact that this is a detail that's in the text, it says that it actually gives evidence that this is real. Like they weren't making the story out.

There wasn't any like this was, they would not have put this in there if this was a made up story because it wouldn't have been believable in its time period, but it's believable now. now we look back on that kind of with divine wisdom from God and we're like, well, yeah, there's nothing. Why would a woman's testimony not be credible, right? And so it's one of the evidences that historians use for the validity of the claims of the New Testament, at least that they believe that the tomb was empty. I mean, that is universally agreed upon amongst New Testament scholarship, even those who don't necessarily believe that Christ rose from the dead. They do

all agree that the tomb was empty. And then there's different explanations of why it may be empty. But there's no really big debate over that. It's also interesting that this is the truth of the matter, as you described as that. And that helps it understand that it's even more truthful from that standpoint, because why would you write that?

But then if you go back and read the Matthew account, which I did a couple of podcasts ago, they created, the Jewish leadership, created a lie that, that his disciples stole the body. Yeah. So which, of course, and to this day, people have said that is true, or that he swooned. He didn't really die on the cross.

He just came, he woke up in there and somehow got out of a sealed tomb with a Roman seal on it, with two guards there. I mean, you know, how did that happen? But what my point is, is the people in charge still relying about it right up until it happened and then after it happened. Yeah. So, but the lies seem more credible than the truth, which this woman says, oh, I saw him. And there were two angels and said, what are you doing?

Why are you crying? And then I saw him, which is amazing. Yeah. I mean, it reminded me just in a practical way of, you know, we had Blake. He's been here for about three days. And before his speech, because we went hunting Sunday morning, our little social gathering. And I said, you got your lesson ready? And he's like, no, I'm too.

trying to figure, because this is the first time he's, he's been on podcast, and he's a fairly new Christian. Yeah. So it's the first time I'm speaking in front of a crowd. And so I was,

oh yeah. I thought he did this. Oh, no. This was first time. So then I was kind of nervous for him. And I said, well, not that he asked for my advice, but I was just out of concern

when I said, are you ready? I mean, it is the day of here. And he's like, no. I said, well, from my perspective, I mean, you were blown up in a war, you know, serving the military. I mean, his whatever vehicle he's in was blown up, and they had to put his body back together, which sent him kind of on a downward spiral for years, and all of a sudden it also puts his heart in a place where he was open, and he heard the story about Jesus, and he responded.

But I said, if I was in your shoes, I said, I don't know where I'm. I got this from, but I've said it many times. I said, we're serving a God through Jesus who can't lie and he can't die. And I went over and read in Hebrew 6 where it said there's two things where God, it's impossible for him to lie. And we brought up Jesus as our high priest earlier, which is when I first thought about sharing this. But now that we've, we're back here, I feel like I have to. I said, but one of my favorite verses in the Bible,

Bible, and here we are to resurrection. The Hebrew writer says that our high priests in verse 16 has become our priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry. This is Hebrew

716, but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. And he said, is that in the Bible? I said, I was, because I wasn't reading my Bible.

I was quoting it. I was like, yeah. He said, I think I'm going to use it. You care if I use that? I said, it's in the Bible. I was just quoting it. You said, it ain't mine to give away. I said, but I just was thinking about your story.

You were blown up, but now you've put your faith and trust in someone who cannot be blown up. Yeah. Now, they crucified him, beat him all that. But you couldn't have blown him up either. If you can come back from a Roman crucifixion. You can come back from anything. You're coming back from anything. And I said, I think it'd be a good icebreaker that you were blown up in a Humvee over in Afghanistan.

Right. But you're following one who can't be blown up. And then you listen to a bunch of lies on why you were blown up. But guess what? The guy who can't be blown up, he's going to tell me the truth. And whatever he says is right. And I was just making that analogy from my way. where we're at in the resurrection, but the bottom line is,

that is the fact that changed all their life. And I think we should look at these little interactions as, because Jesus was using these people despite their weaknesses to then be his representatives. That's why he said, I'm going to, not just my father, but your father. He hadn't been speaking like this the whole time. He has not said it that way, no.

To my God, he's been saying, I come from the Father. I come from the Father. Our Father, he did say that in his prayer, our Father in Heaven. I think that's the only other time. Right. That's that. But then he says, my God and your God. And so then she gets to go and you can read the other accounts.

She's the first person that gets to declare the good news. I have seen the Lord. Yeah. I mean, I don't think this happened by accident. Yeah, in fact, we make a much bigger deal because it was prophecy of Jesus, too, about Peter preaching the first sermon. But you're right, Judge, really the first sermon was this sentence, one sentence, to them. I've seen the Lord. I have seen the Lord. I mean, that's, you talk about, because we talk about the questions that get asked.

And there's another question that is, why are you crying? It's another good Jesus question. And who is it you're looking for? That was a little double, double. Yeah, well, in Mark's account, in verse 9 of 16, Jesus rose early on the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene out of whom he had driven seven demons. She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping.

When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they didn't believe it. Which, and I think it comes down to, they were probably saying, oh, well, you had seven demons. I mean, are you sure? But it doesn't neglect the account, just like when we tell people today, he's a lie. And some people don't should don't believe it. They're like, oh, you're believing in a guy.

And when she told it, she probably said, you know, at first I thought he was a gardener, then I saw him, and they're like, oh, come on, Mary. He's, you know. So I think when you read all these interactions, even when he appears next to his disciples, He's then saying, as the father sent me, I'm sending you. Then he comes to Thomas.

Well, he's doubting. So you start putting all this together. Mary's crying. Thomas is doubting. The disciples, they're not even believing. Peter, he's been denying. But in each case, he turns it around. What does he tell Peter, go feed my sheep?

He tells Mary, go tell everybody. His disciples, he's like, be me in this world. And breathed on them in the Holy Spirit. So it's more of this passing on who we are now in Jesus. All right. So we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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