Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 123 | Jase Attempts a Bathroom MacGyver, Spitting in the South & Why Bad Things Happen (Part 2)

Episode Date: August 2, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al discuss the many reasons why bad things happen to good people and how Jesus heals. This requires an unexpected detour into spitting as a southern cultural phenomenon, spitting in baseball, and spitting in the Bible. The guys also discuss the tree of life, sin, and restoration. But first, Jase tries to MacGyver the drain in his bubbling, gurgling bathroom, and his hairball fishing expedition doesn't quite cut it. Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson from Christianbook before 8/3 and get Phil's exclusive video sermon FREE: https://www.christianbook.com/jesus-politics-back-the-soul-america/phil-robertson/9781400210060/pd/21006X?event=ESRCG   See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? You know, I've turned into Mr. Fixit, which I've said many times. I'm good at destruction, not fixing. I don't think you've really turned into Mr. Fixit because you already said you're in cable that. You're trying to turn into Mr. Well, I'll tell you this, the dishwasher is still sitting there with center blocks under it. Nobody has said a word now.

We've gotten over how it looked. Oh, boy. And so. So it does do its function. It functions. I'm proud of it. That's all it counts. I mean, this is,

McGiver was the number one show for a while for a reason. That's right. And so now we go in there, you know, I take a shower and I start hearing the commode go, bloop, blue, blue, blue, blue, which is a bad side. It's never good. So I thought, you really never want your commode to be making any noise other than the flesh. No, especially from 20 yards away. Exactly.

And so I tell Missy, I'm like, call the plumber. And she's like, oh. I said, well, look, let me, let me, uh, which, which that, I understand if you're getting that reaction. Let me take a whack at it. And you're getting that reaction. I agree. I mean, it should be, I tell Lisa that she's, I hear, peep, peep, pooh, pooh, bo,

I mean, she went, oh. So I said, well, let me take a, take a gander. And she, I hesitated. She didn't. I thought. She, she. See, Missy wants me to be Mr. Fixing. She thinks she's driving you, too, though.

I'm not. She's right. You are fulfilling the strange text that the Apostle Paul said about 1st Corinthians 7. People who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you that. So you're telling us up front, this is one of the deal. So your woman's groaning because the commode is blurping. We're in this. Go for marriage.

See what happened. By the way, Dad, that was Dad's quote. At Sadie's wedding, just so you know, at the wedding. Well, I got their attention. I've always said when people say, oh, I got to go do some honey-dews. I didn't know what that meant. And I was like... Because you're thinking melon, maybe?

What is that honey-dew? Honey-dew melon. That honey-dew melon. I ate one of those for the first time the other day. Is that not fantastic? The greatest things I've ever eaten. Honey-dew are. It was 102 degrees.

We were metal-detecting. Oh, you pulled a fill and just ate it out in a feel? Well, Bob. Bob is an interesting fella. Came up with a watermelon. No, a honeydew. Well, that's a melon. Well, I know, but I'd never eaten one.

Oh, wow. And I said, Bob, because usually he only eats a can of spinach and with a can of tuna fish. And so he always offers it to him. He eats same thing every time. You make spinach and tuna fish? He takes a can tuna fish. And he eats that every time when we're out there. How old is he?

Ah. 65 maybe. And he always says here. And I'm like, I don't do canned spinach or can. When I eat fish, I go catch one. I don't let somebody else put that in a can and say, ooh, Tena fish. Did you get that? Speaking of, I just thought of it.

Some fans sent a, or some listeners sent a, their favorite sardines. I forwarded that to you. Did you get that? Not to, not to, not I recall. Oh, man. Send it to me again because I never. They were good, but I got to stay with the king. Oh, you ate them?

I tried them. They were good, but I think King Oscars got the age. I must have sent it to Dan then. And we're not supported by. These were skinless. They skint the fish, skint the sardines. Oh, that's right. And gutted them because we were talking about that.

See, that's everything, Missy, she won't try it because she's like the skin and the guts. Well, this company, whoever it was, skins them and guts them. Yeah, I kind of like the idea. I'll try them. They were good. I'm not going by Phil. I mean, Phil said he makes the greatest, you know, coffee in the world, and it, you know, makes me gag. So that's why if it weren't for the veterans sending an actual pretty good coffee, you know, it'd be rough around here.

So anyway, so I go in there, I thought, you know, I thought, let's start with the hole of the drain. There's two screws, took them out. You know, I got a light. I thought, hmm, I could tell there was something in there. Let me stop you there. So I'm amazed because you're beyond me. So you concluded, I mean, I would have not even made the link that the bubbling, gurgling commode was linked to your drain. Well, but the water was backing up in the shower.

Okay. So you didn't have water backing up. That's always a bad sign. Well, of course. Wait, we're standing in an angle deep water. And I thought, you know, let me just take a look to see here. Well, I look and I thought, okay, I actually thought it was like a barmit. when I looked down in there, I thought, hmm, we have a, we, this is something with fur.

Clogged hair used to, it could be a sign of, I thought I told you all this. You got a big wharf rat, warf. Have I not told you this story? Well, you know, Jay's the redneck, when you assume that an animal is in your shower drain, I don't know that that would be most people's first. You know, there may be a lot. There was a possum. There was a possum in my garage. You did tell us that story. Okay, well, anyway, so here's what I did. Unclogging of drains never tends to get my way. I don't know. I'm not a plumber.

Your best friend's a plumber, though, right? He is, but I didn't. I should have called him, I guess, now that I think about it, but I didn't. And so I went out and looked at my shop. You know, every man has a shop. Well, my shop's filled with ammo fishing supplies. Decoys. I don't have any tool.

I've got a toolbox that I've had for 30 years and it doesn't have any tools. That sounds like me. It's got three things left in it. So I looked out there with all my. all my things that I could use and I thought, I think I got it. I have an idea. So I took an arrow and I opened up a package of brand new broadheads and I put a broadhead on it. And you're like, what are you doing? So what I did was, I took the arrow and I started going down the hole with the broadhead until I found resistance. And I thought to myself,

This sounds like plumbing 101 here. I hope this is not the pipe that I'm fixed to go through. But I just pushed and it went down. And I thought, okay, I think we're home. And so I started twisting. Good move. And so then I just started pulling. And you've got something on the end of the left.

So you're fishing now. You're basically fishing. I guess. Pressure started to mount. And I thought, I have the beast. I have. You have a homemade jays, a homemade rotor-rooter. Out of a broad tip era.

There you go. So I see the fur. Good thinking so far. I see the fur coming up and I'm like, I got it. You're still thinking as an animal or something. I did. I thought it was a rat. And, well, once I got to the opening of the hole, I mean, it just suction created

in that and it just, I mean, it came out. And I went, oh, my, it was the size of a football, I would say. and kind of shaped like a football, like a furball. And I looked and I was like, you know what, that's just hair, which I have a lot of hair. And evidently, I'm losing some of it because it's going down the drain. And Missy too, probably. Yeah. And so I'm like, I fix the plumbing.

And, of course, then I'm like, that's the greatest ad that keeps could have. So you wonder where your hair went? Check the drain. One of our sponsors, Keith. So, yeah, it actually will help with your plumbing bill. So I said, fix the plumbing. And I said, look, I want to show you this. And she's like, I don't want to see whatever is in that bag.

I was like, it's hair. She's like, that is so gross. She started talking about how gross it was. I could tell you she was getting nauseous. I was like, well, it wasn't gross when it was on your head. This is not gross. Back to the text. People who marry will face many troubles in this life.

Now I got over a hairball and a bag. Jay's this subdivision of living son is getting out of hand up here where you are. I'm telling you. So here's what's funny. So I go, you know, next time I take a shower. Nope. Still back. Oh, no.

You didn't get it all. Well, I thought I didn't get it all, but, you know, so we. Did you check the shower drain? That was where I got it from, the shower drain. Yeah. And so then I said, well, call the plumber because I either need a, 10-foot arrow. This may be flexible.

I was like, I went to, you know, as far as I could go down with. Jason, they have what they call a trap that traps that down in there. That's why it's got that sharp curve in it. Mine don't have a trap. My house was built in 1950, and that was before traps, I guess. Maybe under your house, but there's one there. There's one there. So the plumber come, you know, so I was watching them.

Well, they're, you know, got these cables. Oh, they got big old. They're roto-ro-roo. Oh, you mean they cleaned it out. They're going 10 minutes. Well, I'm getting to the end of the store. They go 10 minutes. They're like, no, it wasn't a hairball because I told them my little story.

It was like, good job, but should have called up. And so they cleaned it out because they want to have money. Oh, yeah. So they cleaned it all out. They're like, you know, take a shower. Everybody's happy. Three days later, which is last night. Three days later.

I'm in there in the shower. I turned it on, you know, to get it going. and I hear that come out. Oh, boy. I'm like, what the heck now? I've gone the arrow. I paid the plumber. And now we're right back to where we're talking.

So I don't know. Well, that means you got a major problem. On down the way, yep. Of course, we had one of, ours was one time doing something similar. Chase, you need to get some kind of cash going, throw off one of them stocks you're into, get you a little spare cash for these plumbers. You're going to have a fleet of plumbers. Plumbing is a great business because.

You all people always need them. Oh, you got to have them. Got to have them. I love them. I just told you that. That's essential workers. Look, my only point for that story is once you go down the road of being Mr. Fixit, you're never, it's a legalistic operator. You're never going to win.

That you will never achieve happiness. And you can never get back out. You can't get out. You can't plead. Their pleasure will never happen as a result because things keep breaking. It's called life. And then it's not going to look great. And I've noticed something about people that really are good handymen that can do stuff.

They don't like doing it either because they do it for a living. So their wives are on their case the whole time. They're like, you know, that last thing I want to do is get home is go work on this crap. So you're right. So what I've done is I've completely punted. I'm just like I'm an idiot. I don't know anything. Don't even confuse me with that.

Even when they come to work, they say, well, Mr. Rogers, I said, don't even tell me. Just fix it. I mean, I'm just writing a check. Just to enlighten what you're doing a little bit for the last six weeks, every day, I go down there and I have the problem identified, the whole thing. Beaver's packing pipes with muds and debris. You've got the same thing on a smaller scale. That's right. But every day I've been down now this morning.

you pull up and they've packed it full. You get it all going again. It flows all day. You can only let it flow in the day because beavers don't work in the daytime. Well, why don't you just make what I'm saying when you need to make a pole that has the equivalent of like three blades? I have multiple. But what I do is I leave where the limbs come out, the first limbs come out of a sapling. Well, I was thinking metal steep.

Look, the end of my poles, I've got to. look like this and I'm grabbing mud and sticks when I and I'm rotor rooting but I got a hold of one another day I went up in there 20 foot with a track hole with a rope tied on that pole bringing forward like a rotor rooter I went 20 feet up in there pull it back out gouged again pull it back out this is a 30 inch pipe not a little two inch drain pipe like you deal I got a 30 inch pipe with mud and debris. I've got them all unstopped, but my neighbors,

who's draining through me. So we had to cut the levee to drain the water instead of rod the... We never did get it. By the way, Jay's dad told me this other day, he's probably hadn't told you

that our neighbor whenever they couldn't get it done. He was like, we tried some of what dad's time. He said, it won't work. And so you know what they've boiled down to? Dynamite. I tried to tell you.

That was the word he is. That's when I said, y'all get it all. because I just looked at all of them. Jay's was right, though. It was a time in your life when you liked it. They broke out the dynamite and I disappeared. Rednecks and dynamite, bad combo.

All right, let's take a break. But you finally got it. Hey, good luck to you. Jay's's hairball. Man, that's interesting. We all ready to get back to the book of John? Yeah, I'm waiting on it. Well, we got, last time, we had some really good stuff to talk.

about. We kind of just dove into the first five verses of the book of John. Just to reset it in case that you're new and you didn't, hadn't heard it yet, there's a man that Jesus and his disciples run up on and he's been blind since birth. And so the disciples pose the question, who sinned that he is like this, him or his parents, basically saying somebody messed up or he wouldn't have been born this way. And we started the conversation that that's kind of the old age. old thing, why does, why do bad things happen to good people? It must be bad people. And just in life. I mean, even like, you know, things just happen. You know what I mean? I mean, it, there's no. That's a good point that sometimes there's just

circumstance and happenstance as well as, you know, a lot of reasons why things happen. Well, I mean, just like the plumbing story. I mean, you, it was nobody's fault. But it, you know, bad plumbing can cause your whole life to crumble. I mean, this must be fixed. It's like the coronavirus, sons and daughters of God. You say there's a possibility they may come down with disease. And you say, well, God says he uses them to punish the wicked. He threatened to use them.

If you don't do it, I'll put pandemics. What he did to Pharaoh, one plague after the other, you know. So people get to think of them, you know, make it. Maybe I'll escape it. But that's another reason to be a child of the resurrection. That's right. Because you never know. Well, you can't spend your whole life trying to figure out why.

That's right. About anything. That's right. I mean, in our case... Some of our brothers have had coronavirus. Some of them ask questions about it. Man, am I being punished here? I mean, is that what you're saying?

I said, look, I'm not saying that. I said, just be prepared for physical death at any time. Well, in Jesus, the true power is that no matter what happens, you're going to be able to trump whatever happens by God's power, ultimately through the resurrection, but also just in your attitude. And, you know, what's inspiring about life is when you see people who have reasons to quit and they don't. Well, then all of a sudden we have inspiration. You know, the Apostle Paul listed all kinds of sufferings, including. jail, beatings, you know, everything. He had a list this long.

He was telling the Corinthians what had happened to him. He said, but we carry on. Just keep moving forward. You're right. You think about that. If anybody, even if I lived through three or four things on Paul's list, I think it was pretty rough, rough go of it, right? How many times he say 40 lashes minus one?

Minus one, the 39. Well, I've said this before. I'm friends with a kid. Well, he's not a kid anymore. He's 20 years old. but, you know, the average lifespan for someone with the condition he had was like seven. And he just refused to believe that. And he's, you know, he's a believer.

And so every time the doctors, of course, they look at him as like, well, he's the longest living person with this disease. It's about this long, the word. Right. But he refuses to get into the stats or acknowledge that whatsoever because he's like, I'm a son of God. I'm not worried about whatever number, what stat. But it's all in how you respond to that. And he's still here? He's still here. There you go.

He's the average, or I think the longest living was seven, and he's 20. So he's pretty much turned that upside down, which he believes God healed him. And even though he's sick and he has bad days, in his mind, he just chose to say this happened so that the work of God might be displayed. in his life rather than look at the stats and say, yeah, I'm going to die at seven. And, you know, now the world would just say, well, that kid just got a strong will or he's a survivor because that's what the doctors are saying. Well, I've never seen such the will to live as this young man. It's unusual.

But, of course, he gives their credit to God, you know. We've got a pastor friend of ours, former pastor now. He's doing some other stuff. And he's got a little girl. I think he's about 12. now. She's been down. We've all met her. And her name is Riley. And she was born with this terrible thing. And they couldn't even diagnose her. And so she couldn't speak. She had a trache. And she got all these, you know, issues with her back. And she can't walk. So she's in a wheelchair.

And so when I first met him, you know, but she was the sweetest little girl. He's got the little glasses on. And by now, by the time I met her, she had started talking. She just started talking to she was seven years old. And so, you know, he, a lot of people ask him about it. He gets those same questions because this girl. Turns out she's 12 now. They just diagnosed her a year or two ago, but she's the only person on the planet that they've made up a new one. She's the only one that has it. Whatever it is. And again, it's this long thing. She was born with these maladies, but it's like nothing else. You know, they looked at all the other things that have caused this and children couldn't find it. And so that's what Josh and her dad and I were talking about.

It was like, but we all see the work of God displayed in our life. I mean, now she's like, praise and worship, you know, her hands are up there. They go to where Giglio is in Atlanta and, you know, just watching her. This is, you know, a girl that could be bitter and all that, but she's sweet. She loves the Lord. She's praising God. And I was like, whenever time I see her, she inspires me, you know, because they understood this concept.

Of course, we didn't talk about this last time, but maybe part of this whole thought about, you know, someone's sin is therefore causing this causing effect of what's bad in their lives. You know, sin did cause the original sin in the garden brought death. I mean, because God said if this happens, you're going to die. Well, then there's a big debate on whether that was spiritual death or physical death. Right. Or physical death. But it actually bought both.

It brought both because they, he said you're no longer, which I think we differ on how we feel about this. But they were separated from God because he kicked him out of the garden. but they were also separated from that tree of life, which I don't believe the Bible, you know, puts things in there by accident. Because he says you will no longer be able to stretch out your hand and eat from the tree of life. Correct. So it actually brought both. Now, which I've always thought, and this is just a theory, that whatever properties that the Almighty put into that fruit had such an impact that they were going to

to live as long as they didn't see it. This is the ultimate antibiotic. You talk about... Well, it doesn't bother me that you can eat something and he can keep you alive. Which is why I think for the first few generations, they were all living to be a thousand years old. I think it was from whatever that fruit was, you know, even though... Maybe, but everybody debates this, but you got to remember.

And I've seen, you know, theologians get up and argue about why this can't be. Okay, this thing started with making... man from dust. Well, let's debate that. Or a woman from a rib. All right. How are you going to pull that off? I think from the first human beings, Adam and Eve, this is my thinking on it.

This is no mutations. No, this gene pool is pure. Well, I think that's why you say, yeah, you're middle-aged when you get to be 500 or 450 years. You just now. Well, I remember my middle-aged years, four to six. These guys, when they got into about 400 and something, they said, boy, you, the old time is catching up with you. But they're living eight, nine hundred years. You're like, whoa.

Well, I wonder. Because they're populated in the earth. If you're 40. Give that six or seven thousand years. I'm a young earth man. Y'all may not be, but I am. And you say, give that all these mutations that happen. You say it's growing.

We're just, and now we're down to 70 if you're lucky and 80 if you have the strength. A dog, though, I mean, like in dog years, do you think they, like when they were 400, were they like 40? Are you just adding the zero? Or did they just get old and just stay there until 900? Oh, you know, that's a good question. All I know is if you live to 900 at 450, you're about halfway, which is I just looked at the math and said, well, that's about middle age.

My theory is, I wasn't. When you forget how old you were? You know, it'd be a cool thing to get to be 450 and you just now reach. middle age. But you would have no idea, Phil. I don't know how old you are. If you wanted to populate the earth, you would have done that. Right.

A lot of kids. But, Jay's, you may be right because Abraham lived to be, I think it was 150. And when he was... You know, it just starts down all of a sudden. Well, when he was in his 90s and about to be 100, he said, my body's as good as dead in terms of reproducing. So he made it sound like, it wasn't like middle age for him. I mean, you think...

Wow, no. So it seemed like he was already. old. Can you imagine? Because, I mean, you see somebody's 100 years old. I mean, they're old. 900? I mean, this guy is just a skeleton.

He's got to be weathered. I mean, you know, can you imagine the skin on a nine of a hero man? You're telling me a tough old coat. All I know is by the time you get to be 900, I don't know when the sexual activity stopped, but it would be a lot faster to get the population of Earth. You know, according to the year. United Nations, I studied their little deal, timeline, the curve, it was a flat line for 5,000 years, 6,000, 7,000 years. People went crazy when, you know, like Viagra was invented.

Because now all of a sudden, the old people. The population didn't start up until about the Industrial Revolution, and that's when it started going off, took off like a rocket, and they looked up, and it was 7.2 billion of us. A thousand years before then, It was about 250 million worldwide, according to the United Nations. They studied it. You say, boy, this thing took off like a rocket about 300 years ago. But it was low, low, low up into then. Well, can you imagine what was in that tree of life?

Oh, man. I mean, there had to be a property. Let's take a break. No, and that's my point. My point is that physical death did begin there because that's what God said. But they were spiritual death. I mean, it was both. I mean, to me it's pretty clear.

and maybe that's where this idea came from them because, well, that was causing the fact, you know, you sin and you die, which is true. And that's why the restoration, which is the rest of the Bible, is that you're reconnecting with God first to reconnect spiritually, but then also to say we can live forever. The follow up on this guy who was born blind, just to follow up text, Al, it's almost funny. Well, it is. It's about the reason I told you. you about being Mr. Fixit, because I'm not. But if you don't have any skills, you just have to have common sense. But in this case, if you were just not a believer and you thought, well, here's a guy that's born blind, here comes Jesus, the way he chose to fix this.

Okay, number one, it's offensive. because the only thing that would guarantee a fight or a butt-whippin when I was a kid is if I spit on one of my brothers, I don't know if you remember, that was a don't do once that happens, there will be bloodshed. If you spit on me, you know, Willie's ghost. Well, it's such an offensive thing, but in this case, he makes a little mud out of his. How does that read out? It's a verse six.

He says he spit on the ground. This is this man born blade. Spit on the ground. So just imagine a big spit enough to make some mud. Which back to a Josie Wells reference, they made a B story, which is what you say in Hollywood, over spitting. Because most people look, they spit in the South. You would have thought it would have been more of a physician-type. move. But in this case, this is the

direct opposite instead of saying, well, he was sort of like positional about it. He said, yeah, it looks like you've had some problems there. Let me make a mud pie. You know, this is a mud pie is what he's making. I mean, this is a, this is a tough issue because people in the north, this is a cultural, what would you call it? Controversy? Because people in the north don't spit. Well, yeah, they're almost as rude. Well, it's offensive. So I was in New York City. You know, I spit on the ground, which there's very little of it there.

And people look at you like, I mean, without even like a dip of snuck, just spit on the ground. I don't know what. I had something in my mouth that I thought, I need to spit this out. But you're talking. They're like, how dare you spit on the ground? This is offensive. Look, through him, all things were created. John chapter one, we covered this a few months ago.

You're like, so here he is. but if he made human beings out from the dust of the earth, well we have one that he made, all things were made through him, and you say, so he's the one that created humanity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and now spitting on the ground, if he brought you from dust to begin with, spitting on the ground would be kind of like, well, gather that up. You say, he's basically saying, listen, there's nothing that I can't do. I guess divine spit.

But so essentially because you're right, I wonder what their cultural moray was for this situation about the spitting. Because, you know, I was just reading this week, Jay, is that there's all the new rules for Major League Baseball, Coronavirus style. It's about starting to start in two weeks. One is no spitting. No spitting. No spitting in Major League Baseball. They're trying to get at that no tobacco chew. Yeah, that goes Copenhagen.

But think about when you watch a baseball game, how often? do you see a baseball player spit, whether it's he's just spit. There's some of them that just, they're standing there at the play. Some of them are like professional sunflower. That's right. They put it in the mouth. There's holes coming out of the corner of their mouth. And I'm like, I'm like, the dude is a professional sunflower.

So they were interviewing some guy when I was reading this, one of the players, because they were saying, what about the new restrictions? And they were listening all this stuff. And he said, well, to be honest, the only thing I'm worried about is the spit. I mean, he's like, I've spent my whole life from when I was a, and I'm looking out there at my six-year-old grandson playing baseball last night. Guess what he's doing? Spitting about every 30 seconds. I said, well, he's a ball player.

I mean, that's how I know. But he chose something gross. And then he said, go wash yourself, which I think a lot of people, if, you know, if you're going to spit on the ground, if this is what is it going to take. So he put it on his eyes. He made a little mud pie. Of course, he can't see what he's doing probably. But everybody else is thinking, this is.

his drugs. But it wasn't over then because he had to go. He said go washing the pool of Salon. Well, because he's got another man spit, which has turned into mud on his eyes when you need a shower. Well, and here's the thing. There was a lot of, you know, the Jews had a lot of ceremonial issues about a lot of stuff. And so that's part of these. They had, they would have to go wash a lot of times in a pool if they had a disease or whatever. And then they would have to go quarantine for a while. So, you know, there's a lot of stories in there about this. So maybe it had something to do with that. The man went, he washed, and he came home seeing, so it worked.

But now how do you tell the story? Well, right. It's like untellable. But look, I want to before. You're like, I was blind. I was born blind. Put dirt in your eyes. You get a-up.

You get up. You get up to the local higher power, you know, we're moving on. And you say, well, I was blind for 40 years. And a guy, I met a guy who spit on the ground. Because he didn't see it, so they had to tell him. Somebody told him what. And then he told me to go wash, and they're like, oh, so now you're high on cocaine. I mean, seriously, no one would believe this.

And you read it in the Bible and you say, no, this is, what are we doing? So before we get to the reaction, because it is almost comical for a little ways here in John 9, I want to read you this from Mark 8. here's another story, another situation. This is verse 22. It's in the Bessado, which we've talked about Besseda before. Some people brought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him. Because remember, Jesus has multiple.

Sometimes he touches, one woman touched him and got healed. So there's all these different ways. He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. So imagine this scenario. And sometimes when someone told him about an ailment. Oh, then he just spoke. He just did it. Remember the, yeah, we talked about the rich man's son.

So when he had, here's what he did with this guy. He didn't make mud. He just spit on the man's eyes. Where's this? This is Mark 8. Yeah, that's one that said, I can see, but it looked like trees. So that's, so he spit on the man's eyes and he put his hands on him. And Jesus said, do you see anything?

So we talk about gross. Forget the mud was bad, but he, what about somebody just spit? Which would got me a butt-wipping. as a kid. That's right. He said, and then Jesus says, do you see anything? He looked up and he said, I see people, but they look like trees walking around.

So he's blurred vision from the spit. Once more Jesus put his hands on the man's eyes. Then they were opened. His sight was restored. He saw everything clearly, and he said, don't go into the village. Now, you talk about a bizarre, that's another bizarro healing. Now, the reason why, by the way, I'll just give you this short version.

By the way, out of all the ways you could have... You know the reason of all? Out of all the ways you could have presented this story to the human race, because atheists right now are saying, these idiots, they actually believe that. Exactly. What do you do, Jace? I do believe it. I do, too.

I think it's so crazy. Off the wall. It's so off the wall that I'm like, yep, makes sense to me. I think a lot of it too is what would you what would you do to allow you know if you want to be free from something what would you dare to try I mean a lot of people

well I'll try anything and then you tell them what to do and they're like I ain't doing that right I mean that's redneck culture 101 you tell somebody how to how to fix something I mean even I hate to use myself for example but go back to that stupid dishwasher, but I'm like, this will work right here.

Missy's like, nope. I don't like the way that looks. I don't like the way it feels. It seems weird. Well, this is way worse than that, and this is real life. So let's take another break. So my theory is that Jesus didn't have a power outage. It wasn't like it was a short-circuit healing.

That's not a theory. That's true. That's true. Okay. So there had to be in a moment. Like you said before, he doesn't do things just by accident. So he gives a little lesson to his disciples, just like we're about to get to at the end of John 9, where he talks about they're seeing but they're not seeing.

Which is the same thing we're telling me. Exactly. By the way, they're arguing about whether it was really him or not. Well, right. Some of them should, no, I don't think it was him. Oh, so your point is the reason that's why he said blurry. Right. Because from their view, they're kind of getting it, but not really.

Exactly. I think he did it as a point to his disciples. It's like, because he rebukes them later, a couple of chapters later in Mark, that they're not seeing. Why couldn't he, why couldn't it be representative of the Pharisees? Were there any Pharisees around in Mark? Not at the healing, no. Oh. But I'm saying he, and we're going to get there in John 9, I think he was doing it to try to teach a lesson to the disciples.

It's like, it's almost like I got to touch you a second time. before you're seeing what's going on. Well, it could be like a prerequisite. No, no, I think that's better than a theory. I think that's what he was doing. But when did that occur maybe at the resurrection? Because, you know, they all believed him. You know, then they were touched again.

That's right. At the resurrection. How many times do you read in the Gospels where it says, then they realize what he was talking about after the resurrection? Then they realized. So that's what opened their eyes ultimately, which was why the Pharisees never got it. That's a good, that's a good idea.

I think that's why. Well, we know he didn't. I know it wasn't because he... I know it wasn't because he... You know, like a break from heaven. We're like, you know, the surge line, wherever he was getting the power. You know, somebody tripped over the cord in heaven. An angel, you know, was fighting with a demon.

There was a kink in the hose, you know, or something like that. Well, that's what the world was like, oh, we've had a power. Whoops, he almost missed that one. or a guy was sleeping for a second and somebody woke him up. I mean, that's what they're, because you just can't relate to that. So that, my next question then, before we get back to. I was thinking with the guy that got the cataract out of my eye, but he did say come back in three days after the operation.

He said, I need to check that. Well, came back then. He said, yeah, keep these drops going in your eyes. But you were seeing strange things. Yeah, oh, yeah. Two weeks later, he says, so let's go in. and he put up the number, the letters over there on the wall, and I'm sitting there, you know.

So I said, yeah, A, JQ, 5, you know, whatever it was. And he said, whoops, he said, 2015. I said, you're kidding. He said, you now have 2015 vision, which is better than 2020. I thought 2020 was a busy guy. Because I got the cataract out of your eyes. So there was a little bit of him checking kind of like Jesus was from a doctor's standpoint, you know. He just, he said, you, you're good to go. I must need a cataract. All I can see is

E when I don't have my glasses are. Yeah. He said, he said, instead of doing this, he held up a book in front of him. He said, instead of doing this, look, I'm looking right here right now at this book. You say, can you read it? I barely can, but it's blurry. What's this? I move it right there. I'm saying way, but only out of the right eye. Well, so I close my, look. Well, when he fixed it, when he took the cataract out, I went from, I'm 2015, but he said, instead of. Well, can you see it now? Now it's blurry, but he said you to pull back a little bit.

Well, Phil. I said, you got to be kidding. He just took you money because I'm the same way right now and I hadn't had a cataract surgeon. Well, that's why you need a little tuna. But you're still blurry. He can do it. They can do a tune up now. Well, wait a minute.

But you're saying you're still blurry now. Yeah. close. If it's close. Well, that's the way I am. Right now. Whatever he put,

whatever kind of lens he put in there to replace, to get rid of the cataract, whatever they do to replace that. Oh my goodness. He said, just going to vary it just a little bit now. Instead of here, you're going to,

well, he said, watch. He said, what about that? I said, he said, clear or blurry? I said, blurry. He moved it back about that far. He said, what about now? I said, perfect. He said, that's why I got 2015 vision.

Those numbers, they all. This guy. I don't believe him. Because look, right? I paid him so, I mean. All right, look. I just, I know the spiritual is more important. I can see better now than I could before.

Now, you got con. Look, right here, it's blurry, okay? I haven't, I hadn't been to an eye doctor in my life. And this just started happening. Oh, yeah. All right. Welcome to the 50-year-old. When I move it back right here, perfect.

Yep. I can see perfectly. Yep. Neither this man nor. his parents said, look, when I come up, uh-oh, it got blurry. Yep. So look, close the right eye, not blurry. Oh, well, a little, but right there, fine.

Same way with me. But it's your eyes. You might have got that inherited because one of my eyes is one way. But you were saying it was because of your surgery. Look, if I do this and I'm looking at the TV, you know, I can see clear. And you're doing this to hear. I can do this. And I said, he said, one eye is far-sided.

The other eye is near-sided. That's where you are, my friend. But you're saying that happened as a result of your cataract surgery. I'm saying it just happened. Age. Age on the eyes. Let's take our last break. So you're right about the near side and far side because let me blow your mind then.

So here for me, perfect. I mean, I can read it all. I could read it. But when I go back, I can't see anything. Yep. You go on that wall right there. That's a different problem. Well, because I'm near side of it.

Could be both your eyes. I'm seeing up close. I can't see far away. One of mine is near side of what I was far-sighted. If I had to pick one, he chose in the middle. Yeah, because I have to have classes to see. So I didn't get conned. That guy knew what he was doing, dude.

Yeah, but this all happened after the surgery. I went from my left eye saying, well, it's just a blur, everything. I went from there to all I can do is move his back a little bit about that far. Well, he just put you to where I am. That's right. Okay. See, if I put my glasses on, then I can see now, I can see Conner. I can see good stuff, but I can't see this anymore.

You have 17 pairs of glasses on the table right now. And you just had surgery. They get close. Look at the glasses. They're piled up here. Perfect. It looks like to me you have multiple problems. Better without the glasses.

I'll tell you what. Let me go spit on the ground and put it on the ground. We're back to the spit again. Yeah, you're going to ask. So finish your story. They're not going to finish it all today. But so here's what happens. So the guy goes, he's healed.

His neighbors see him. And I'll just summarize the next year. Now, this is the Mark 8? No, we're back to John. Yeah. Mark 8, that was another weird. But that was a crazy story. It's a crazy story.

It's a crazy story. It's crazy because he. Well, and the point I was going to ask you guys is, it's interesting that Jesus showed he had a myriad of healing ways to do that. I mean, like, he didn't just stick to one thing. Well, sometimes he could speak it. He could, you know. Both stories have one thing in common.

He was trying to get them to see that Jesus is the light. That's right. I mean, we take being blind as a powerful, horrible condition, physically blind, which I'm sure he does too. But he healed him so he could see not just physically, but he was, he gets back into this Jesus being the light, which is what we talked about in John. 3 and John 1 and living your life out loud and proud and confessing your sin. And to the point that you've made consistently through this whole book of John, the sign was never the point. He was the point. And then you notice he always has a lesson out of the sign. In other words, he's trying to, especially his disciples, he's trying to get them to understand. It's not the miracle.

He knows what's going to happen when he's gone. They're going to have this power. And then it would be real easy if they didn't understand the narrative here that then they would just be doing it for their own glory which by the way is what happened in almost every new testament well we don't want to say but i'm going to say well people don't this makes people uncomfortable but i'm going to say this we don't want to say i'm fiss and say i'm going to say i like because i think it's the point and but nobody wants to talk about this especially people who don't believe in god but if you let this go in your mind, Jesus would, the point is, you would be better off in Jesus, blind physically. That's a great point.

Than the opposite. Because even without your eye having vision, the souls among us, the brothers who are blind, they can still see the light. And they don't even have eyes. Well, that was his point. I think that's why he picked a blind man. But you got to remember, now we got back to where we started, which is why the bad things happen. There's some situations that you're actually better off in, and we don't want to pray these prayers.

You know, like a prayer you don't want to pray, I have prayed them before, is do whatever it takes for this to happen, for them to see you and your son. Well, once I pray that prayer, I'm like, whatever it takes, if it has to be something bad. but I would rather, especially when it comes to my kids, my wife, those I love, I would rather something bad happen and they stay with Jesus, I mean bad in a physical way, than the opposite. We have one of our mentors who's passed away and his wife too, that they lost a son. He was in his 20s in a car wreck, bad car wreck. He and his wife died.

Their daughter survived, which I just met. with her and her husband a few weeks ago working on some issues. But his mom, the grandmother, Barbara, she prayed that prayer. For all her children, she said, God, I want them to be in heaven forever. And so whatever that means, you know, that's what I want. Well, they died at a terrible car wreck in their 20s. But when I watched them through that process, all of us did, their faith never wavered. Because she said, well, I already told the Almighty, whatever it takes for then to be in heaven. And so in her mindset, so other people look at that and say, well, that's crazy. I mean, you know, why, you know, the world has a really problem with it,

because they're like, this is so bizarre. But for us, if you believe the resurrection's real and God's greater purpose is real, it's just, you just go with it. The first thing Carl said, who's who we all love, this Carl, when his son died, the first, because Kellett was there, he told me this, he looked at Barbara. And they're in shock, of course, some state troopers there. And he looked at him and he said, Barbie this week, he said, Barbie, this is what we live for. Now, that was his first words on hearing that his son and daughter I had just been killed. Now, that's a man of faith.

We talk about a man of reasons to the resurrection. Of course, we know that because we know this man. He lived that his whole life. He sure did. And so that's kind of the point of. He literally was the most positive or is because he didn't go anywhere really. No, that's right. I still quote him in almost every single.

Positive person. Every day at some point, he would say, oh, remember, my guys, the best days are yet to come. Go for it. I told Phyllisette. That's right. My favorite thing he did, though, was that when he would almost sing a song, and then I think he realized because he was a terrible singer,

maybe he'd go, bha! He would, like, come out of his office, and it was like he forgot where he was, and he was like, oh, there's other people. Listen. Bay. And he would just get quiet. My favorite thing he does is he used to close out a prayer sometimes at church when we met. And he would say, he would give announcements in his prayer.

He said, we're going to pray for this family and the visitations at 2 o'clock at Moherners a day. And he would just slip in that little announcement in the prayer. I miss me some car. So we're about out of time. We are days away when this podcast air, airs for the release of Jesus politics, had a win back the soul of America. I want to remind you guys about that. If you hadn't already got a pre-copy of the book to be sure and get that, it'll bless your life.

We'll be doing a lot of media about it, so you'll be seeing a lot of stuff in the next few days. But very important in the current climate to talk about who Christ is, kingdom living, and how those things impacted. So I expect the book to do well, Dad. I think it's the perfect time for it to come out as well. I hope so. We're excited about that.

So next time we are going to get back to this story, on John 9 because look there's more. I mean, it's the investigation is what comes up next, which is so reminds me of some of these things you see today when these people get after somebody and, oh, we're going to get to the bottom of this. You got to remember the man did spit on somebody and claim to heal him. Muddyes. That requires a full investigation.

Well, we're going to get one, and the implications are going to be pretty crazy too. So we'll do that next time on the shame. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook, and be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.