Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1241 | Jase Offends the Robertson Family Group Text & He Doesn’t Regret It at All

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Jase commits a legendary family group text faux pas that spirals into chaos, disbelief, and a full-on wager among Willie’s kids. John Luke—and the rest of Willie’s crew—start betting on whether Jase could really have written the message himself or if artificial intelligence had to be involved. The conversation asks if artificial intelligence can ever move with the Holy Spirit or if it’s limited to imitation, no matter how impressive it sounds. In this episode: Genesis 1, verses 26–28; Genesis 6, verses 1–7; Genesis 9, verses 1–7; Genesis 11, verses 1–9; Genesis 12, verses 1–7; John 1, verses 1–18; John 14, verses 15–27; John 20, verses 21–23; Acts 2, verses 1–12 Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-09:19 The problem with group texts 09:20-18:08 Jase writes a poem for his family 18:09-26:39 Are AI generated sermons still inspired by God? 26:40-32:49 Bad things happened when humans play God 32:50-41:01 All 3 major world faiths lead back to Abraham 41:02-48:08 John boils down to one Truth 48:09-55:38 The first & last questions of Jesus — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. This is a crazy land in here today. It is crazy land. It's our last episode of the year, so it'll launch next year. Yeah, right. Because we're at the end of the year. Yeah, we're at the end of the year. We're about to have a little bit of time off for the holidays.

Zach's got one foot out the door, but he's hanging with us. We had our Christmas celebration. Yeah, and we had, we just had on the last episode, of course, it was our New Year stuff, and we had Dave Ramsey and Willie. I'll becoming new star, Dave Ramsey. Yeah, the guy that Jay says is going to go places. I think he's going to make it, Jace. I really do. I don't know why that y'all are shocked that some people live in the wilderness, they don't live on their phone or their computer, and they do stuff.

I'm out there doing stuff. I knew all he had to do was get Willie that little crease. and then it was off and running. See, if you want to know what the guy down here who changes oil in a vehicle, say, I met that guy. You said, why? How'd that happen?

Because I went and got oil change. We had a conversation. I'm living, Zad. I'm trying to live life. Yeah. It's like you're not living. Living in the real world, not the virtual world. That's good.

So we had our, we had, I mentioned it on the last podcast, and it was kind of funny because Dave Ramsey was at our Christmas slash birthday celebration. Yeah. And then it's slash because we don't do it on Christmas Day. We do it on mom's birthday now. We started that last year, which I love that because it's more just about us being together as a family. We don't do gifts except for mom. And I see what you have on your desk here. I brought something here, yeah.

Oh, I'm familiar. And I caused a stir within my family. Look, Zach, the only group chat, I think that's the right phrase. that I'm involved in is with our family. Right. And with the podcast team. And we sort of started this one as a way to kind of keep track of mom and dealing with mom.

That's where this group chat started. Now, all the other attempts, they have a button in your phone for people that do stuff like I do. And so I want to bring this up. They have a button. Leave the conversation. That's it.

Leave. You can leave. You can leave. And look, you know what I found out when I first started doing that? People got upset. Because it says Jay's left the conversation. Oh, does it? Oh, yeah.

They know. What's wrong with these people? And they're wondering why there's so much conflict in the world. It's basically saying, Jay's just said, I've heard enough and I'm out of here. I want my phone going off every three seconds with people using the little symbols and all that. Because then everybody feels like they have to do. a thumbs up, a ha-ha, a heart. I have no room in my life for that.

But anyway. It looks like we just found something we all three have in common. I don't do group text. I don't like it. I hate it. It's too much. It's the memes. But like Jay's is talking about, it's my family, or if it's something, you know,

like there's what I do with the elders at our church. I mean, it's important things. So I can't just leave. But, oh, it's. Well, I mean. Oh, I mean it. Well, the worst part is, like, they'll say, like, there'll be some kind of information. And like, do you not look at the group text, the family text thread?

I'm like, no, I don't. Like, I don't want to have something. I got to monitor like 24-7. Your part, half the crap you guys are putting on there is just, I mean. We all have the same problem. We've never discussed it together. Well, I don't have a problem. Leaving the conversation.

But this one, I was in. Your wife sent kind of a, I don't know, Alice, she's your wife. I'll let you describe that message. But it was a, she sent a long message about, and I thought, we were actually with my son and his family when that hit, because everybody's phone went off. And they were like, ooh, Lisa seems like she's intense about everybody being here. And it was kind of a little sermon from Lisa, like, we all need to be there and like have joyful spirits. And I thought, we had had a little issue with some. family no-shows at things in recent holiday events.

Is that what caused that? That's what calls it. So it was a nice rebuke, you know, for Lisa to kind of do it as a group setting. Was it passive aggressive? It was very passive aggressive. So look, here's the, let me just, we don't want to get bogged down this. But so I sent a response to her withering rebuke. Jason was trying to soften it up because this Christmas gathering and birthday celebration,

for my mom is at my house. I was hosting with my wife, the family. Well, she also added to the group that tell us what you're bringing as a way for food because a lot of people had not sounded off. And so all of a sudden they immediately started responding because it was like. Well, but nobody responded until I had the first response because some time went by. This is why I don't like these kind of settings because it was an awkward kind of people. I see three hearts on there.

Well, and then I put this, because her main thrust was we all need to be there. So I typed, I'll be there. Yeah. So that was a joke because it's at my house. And I thought that would. You're going to be there. So here's what in real time, Lisa says to me,

as she's sitting there, and of course I've got it on my phone now, unfortunately, she said, did you see what Jay's just said? I'll be there. Like she took it like you were snubbing her. And I was like, baby's trying to be funny. I knew. She didn't get the joke. She didn't get the joke.

So then everyone started responding, tell them what they were going to bring and all. And so then I thought back on it. And I thought, okay. And now I'm going to tell you, you don't know this. I was listening somewhere to a Bible study, and they were basically discussing a question, which is an interesting question, which is, what is the Bible? And I hadn't thought about it, but if somebody just asked you, they walk by and say, what is the Bible?

What would you say? Well, my little flippant line is I say it's a love letter from the creator of the Cosmos to his creation. I think that's a great. That's what I would say. What would you say, Zay? I would say it is the revelation of God's redemptive plan for humans. I like how you had a couple of big.

words. Oh, you know, as that's coming to the church of a human. I guess I'd add now and the creation itself. Well, the answer that they were giving were a lot more lengthy. But that was the thrust, what y'all just said. But, and I wish I could remember this where I heard this conversation, but I don't know I was going to give out credits. But one of the answers was, they kind of went through the Old Testament, and talked about how it's not only history, but it's also, you have this whole section of books

that are poetry and poems. And, you know, it was just in the moment, I heard that. I thought, because he was making the case in his answer, we don't realize how beautiful this is. And it's inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yeah. And so, like, you think of the Psalms and just.

Well, look, Jay's just to your point, the guy that we, Dr. Jackson, who we do the Hillsdale stuff with, he teaches these courses strictly from a literary perspective of the Bible. Yeah. And he gets into all that, just the beauty of the language. And I learned stuff that through studying with him and then watching his lectures at a campus college level, stuff I never even thought about, about how beautiful it really is. I mean, really, really good.

So having said all that, I thought to myself, I have the Holy Spirit of God in dwelling me. We read John 14, John 15, John 16. I'm like, I need to work on that of making situations, you know, where I need to write somebody a letter. And I said, I'm going to try to be more inspiring and tap into my poetic side. So that's the genesis of this tale. That is, so I, somebody put a group. text. I'm bringing shrimp stuff,

pepper stuff shrimp. Even Willie. Even Willie responded to a group text, which has never happened. Right. And so I just thought, well, it's the night before. And so I thought, and Lisa's already given a sermon. I did a joke that didn't land. Now everybody's

like engaged. And I thought, I'm going to try. I'm going to have to read it from that because I don't even remember what I said. Someone printed it out last night and framed it. that's where I'm going. Okay. So in 60 seconds, this was not a long, I just thought I'm going to tap in to the Holy Spirit

and what's fixed to happen. So I'm going to read this letter. This is, I did this in less than 60 seconds. And I did it in the Robertson Group text. I put, the anticipation is building, smells and taste buds percolating. And a night celebrating the Lord God Jesus becoming a man to create a forever family. while also honoring the matriarch of our family faith is simply thrilling. See you tomorrow when the sun sets and your light burns bright.

Now, I'm reading this, and it's signed Jace Robertson, because my sister got this printed off. What do you call this? Colligraphy, kind of a fancy. Calligraphy. I'm not even going to say that word. That knows what it means. That word should be translated into something else. Fancy writing.

Fancy writing. And she framed it and gave it to me as a Christmas present. So when Missy was standing beside me, Missy's mouth went open and said, You framed that? He was joking. I said, well, I wasn't really joking, but I was knowing that it would be funny because I don't normally do this,

but I wrote that to be inspiring. So here's what. So my sister says, well, we thought if you were joking, this would be a great gag gift. But if you were serious, because she said, we were really motivated by this.

And we thought it was special. I love that they covered it either way. So that's one aspect. All right, I got it framed now. But here's the other aspect. I had five people, members of Willie's clan come up and ask me the same question. Were you serious?

No. They said, was that AI? And I said, was what AI? They said, your poem. And I said, no, AI. But look, then five minutes later, somebody else came up and said, from his clan. Was that AI? Because they had a bet going that that was AI.

and then Willie comes up to me and he says, hey, I got a question I want to talk to you about something. He said, you know that little poem you wrote? He said, no, I want you tell me the truth. He said, was that AI generated? And I said, no. And he busted out loud and he's like,

I can't believe that. I thought it was. And I found the one member of their family who said it wasn't AI, which was John Luke. He came up later. He said, was it AI? And I said, nope.

He said, yes. I was like, you were the only one? He said, I was the only one. I said, well, why did you not think it was AI? Because evidently they all did. Not that I would ever do that, which is shocking to me. He said, because you used the word percolating. And he said, you're the only human I've ever known to use that word without the connection to a coffee pot or a tea.

And he's a coffee guru. He said, I've heard you say that before. And I thought, AI wouldn't have said that. I was like, well, you're right. I hope you want a lot of money. Well, and the fact you wouldn't even know how, how would you even access AI? It'd be like me. Don't ask me.

I don't know how to access it. No, you just cert. If you just do a cert. Just got a chat GPT. Do you not use that at all? I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, I know I've heard of it, but I'm saying I couldn't find it. You don't use chat GPT or crockery.

I don't even know. How would you get to it? I mean, you can just simply, I don't want to tell people how to do it, but I mean, it's so easy, Al. Well, don't tell me because I don't know. Yeah. Never assume I'm doing it because I have no idea. The only time I use it as like some kind of controversial biblical translation or whatever. I'm like, what do people say?

And they give you all. It'll give you the list in five seconds. I will say this because Jersey, he's been like he can't wait to get it on his phone because he works for Oracle. So, you know, they're doing all these things. And his AI, there's a person that I call him Carl. but I don't know what his name is, if he has a name, but he talks to him like their buddies. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm saying like...

He's not a person now. He's a... It's a generated... But if you hear this voice, he sounds like just a buddy, like their conversations. Yeah, I don't use it like that. That scares me the implications of that, but I will say that. Zach, are you scared right now? That kind of scares me.

Well, that's scare me because I thought I started like... Ask him this. Ask him this is going to be the problem moving forward. Yeah. I don't give it. I don't give pronouns to AI machines. So even, I try even in my searches.

What I'll use it for is it is really good at this. So if you have a, and you're trying to flush out a like an argument that you want to get to the end of it, you can say, hey, this is something I wrote. How would so-and-so or this, group respond or what would be the rebuttal? And you could just instantly get the

rebuttal, and then you could keep working through the logic of something. It's a really good way to use that. I don't think that pastors and preachers and communicators should be starting with AI for their content, which is happening to be a lot. That's a bad, yeah. All that is, do we want, what, what, Jay says, artificial, maybe the old conversations we had with dad, artificial intelligence versus. But it's happening. I mean, I mean, you think it's artificial. You could go in there right now. I've done this before. I've gone in the show,

give me a sermon and the voice of Zach Dasher about boom. And then you read it and you're like, whoa, this is like pretty good. Because we're out of, because of where our presence is online. Yeah. So it can mine all. Yeah, it'll mine stuff out of this, out of this conversation. It's basically taking all the information that's there. Yeah.

And like boiling it down. Because I'm on the internet a lot preaching. So you'd be surprised how quick you can pull something up and get various views. But it wouldn't change what I said. What is that? Like it's not like going to go against the Holy Spirit here. It's just what I've said is what I said. Well, that might.

Yeah, it's kind of based on it. But I mean, there's nuance to what we're doing. You know what I mean? But you got to remember. I think it's Sadie and I was talking later after I told her it was not AI generated, which I thought that was ridiculous for them to think that. But they've never seen this side of me. what Lisa said, because I have to be here with the back and forth.

She said on the text, you're killing me. That was her response to Jace when he said what he said. But then she looked to me, she said, do you think Jays has started drinking? Yeah. I said, no, baby. So we didn't have a bat that you were drinking when you said that, but I said, no, James wasn't drinking. That was him.

I said, I don't know why he said. It's a weird thing to say because she knows that I've been on this planet over 50 years and I've never been drunk. Which was her joke, but it was funny because it was so out of, like, Jay's character that it just... Well, I tried to be... Let me give you an example here, okay? So here's... I asked the question.

I asked the question in the voice of Al Robertson. And then I did one for you too, Jase. Answer the following question and the voice of Al Robertson in a one-liner, what is the Bible? So, Al, the AI bot said, this is what you... would say. The Bible is God telling the true story of reality, who he is, who we are, and how he came after us to bring us home. That's what they think you would say. That's actually pretty good. Jace, here's yours. The Bible is God laying, God laying out what's true, showing us how we messed up and telling us how to quit being idiots and follow Jesus instead. See, we need to submit

my new poem to get a little more sophistication. Well, I've got words like laying, and idiot telling and quit being. Well, on the word idiot surfaced somewhere on there. So that means you said idiot a lot online. No, it doesn't mean that at all. They're just reading between the lines, you know. But how many people do you think are idiots? I mean, that's not true.

That's true. I think it's because I told that story when I was a team. I bought a bumper sticker and put it over the wall of my bed. Oh, that's what it is. And said, I'm surrounded by idiots. They, because that kind of went viral before viral things happened. That's funny, Zad.

So to say all that. Well, actually, I have no problem with that because that's, that's similar to what I would say. You got to remember, I was talking to Sadie to finish my conversation. It was like even, because we were, she asked me about the Tower of Babel and, and, and, because the question that she asked me was good, you know, she's, I hear a lot of preachers say that God is not a god of confusion, but of order, which you can get that from numerous passages. But he did confuse their languages, and I said, well, and that went down a rabbit hole,

which was a good discussion. But I said it's kind of like AI. It probably has some merit, but it's going to create a lot of confusion also because it's just generated a synopsis of the tens of millions of views. and it just does it in a few seconds, which was a good illustration. Well, like Dave was saying on the last podcast, I mean, you're holding now in your hand

something that would have been considered a super computer just, what, a couple of decades ago? I mean, like, there was nothing that could do this 30 or 40 years. I mean, Dad was still doing the sounds of the 60s. But you also have unstable people out there viewing these robots as counselors and everything and then killing themselves and all this is going on.

Because I thought of it like that. Well, even that thing that I was talking about with Jersey, like it's creating now, like he considers this almost like his friend. Like even Joe, who's an older, mature man, but he's like talking to this person. And the way he talks to him, I was like, Joe, that's, you're creeping me out, dude. That's where I was going with this. It's the same.

One of the themes of the book of John is, is it what Jesus was representing? Was it from heaven or from earth? And I think anything that comes up, even something sophisticated as AI, is it from heaven or is it from Earth? And that should be the basis for which you deem that as important to your life. And maybe to Zach's title, maybe the in-between by quoting us, AI is the not yet now, taking some heaven and earth and putting them together. I mean, I think it attempts, but at the end of the day, it doesn't have the Holy Spirit, right? It's all from the Spirit.

I mean, that's a big point. It's void of the Spirit. And you kind of know it. I mean, honestly, I can listen and I can hear it. And I can, it's a weird, I touch on my kids this all the time about music, you know, because they're doing worship music and stuff. I said, you can get up there and you can fake it and you can probably reproduce something that's attractive, something that's beautiful and it's on right, and you're just faking it.

And you got all the right words, got all the right music, got all the right sound, and it may be enjoyable and people, and it may move people. But there's something that happens when someone is truly being led by the spirit that cannot be replicated. You just know it. And it's not based on talent, it's not based on ability. It's just that that person, for whatever reason in that moment, is authentically moved by the spirit. You can sense the authenticity. It's a spiritual discernment. And I think that's going to be true with AI. Am I nervous about some things about it? Yes, but at the same time, I don't think that AI is going to be able to replace humanity, particularly when it comes to things born of the spirit.

And there's a lot more behind that. But, you know, I truly believe that. So I told Joe, we were talking about this same topic. And I said, yeah, I think I saw how this played out. Did you ever see Terminator 2 or whatever? You know, where the AI basically takes over the military and then they just blow us all to a blue. Well, they come out with a movie like that every two or three years, you know, which, like, can happen. But I know this. I'm not worried about that because I believe God's in control. And when he's ready to come back, he'll come back.

Well, and he said that. So, right. And when he talked about new heaven, new earth, we'll leave that up to him how he's going to accomplish that. Yeah, but I'm saying that's how I look at it. You know, are we going to destroy ourselves? no, I believe God's going to come back. He said he was. So this is our, sort of our last one, last podcast on John, but it also kind of

be the bridge, because when we come back, record, we're going to shift over to first, second, third John, which we're excited about. And so I sort of did a large overview. And here's something that I found fascinating, Jay, is I did not know until I looked at it. I really had no idea until I look back over notes because I keep notes of all the podcast. So we started the book of John on podcast 120 on January 6, 2025. Okay. So today is podcast 1,241.

So it's 221 podcasts later. And this will air, ironically, on January 6, 2026. So exactly one year to the day. It's like we planned it. It's like we planned it. But we didn't. But we didn't. And I didn't even know it until I looked it up.

But see, AI could have told you the same information. And it took me 20 minutes to look it up in about 10 seconds. So I probably should learn something. It finds all the little connection points you can. Let me tell you what AI can't do, though. Large language models is what it's called. Large language models as a whole. I just realized this recently because I had an issue with my insurance company

and they wouldn't cover something in my house from the, a storm. And so I took the entire contract with my insurance company. It's like 110 pages long. And it's everything that's all their rules, everything that you signed the dotted line when you get your insurance. And I uploaded that into chat GPT. It was basically asking, you know, here's the situation. How can I combat this with the insurance company? Well, it sorts through the entire document. And within a minute, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, formulated a response for me to send to the insurance company. And I read it. I said, man, that is good. And so I sent it to the insurance company. Then they responded. And then I took

that response. And guess what I did? I threw it back in the chat GPT. And so this goes back and forth for probably about, I would say eight like exchanges. And then it finally hit me. There's some guy on the other end of the line that works for the insurance company. And every time I send him something he's taking when I'm sending and putting it into an AI bot and it's telling him how so basically what we got going on here is two AI models just going at each other and it and it hit me like really you thought you were finding a person at a place but actually it was two bots going at it they're going at it and but here's the thing but large language models this is why the spirit's going to be so important in the future that if if it's about the letter then it's i thought man this can go

on, this argument could go on for infinity, because no matter what they come back with, the way that the AI works, it's going to find the loophole. And then I'm going to send it back, well, I've already, but then their AI bot's going to find the loophole. And it's just going to go back and forth and back and forth at infinitum. And then I thought, man, you know what the gospel actually offers us is a way out of that. Because the letter kills, the Bible says, and the spirit gives life. So I think the role of the Holy Spirit, is going to be paramount in the future with large language models, because in the pursuit of truth and everything,

you're always going to find the loophole. But when it comes to the Christian faith and what we're involved in here in the kingdom, it's led by the Holy Spirit. So it actually transcends all of these language models. And I think that it does go back to the Tower of Babel, interestingly enough, Jase, because at the Tower of Babel,

the way that God confused them was he confused their language. But then how does he rectify that? He rectifies it in Acts chapter 2, which is the nations now come back together and they hear each other speaking in their own native tongue but they can understand it. Well, how does he do that?

Through the Holy Spirit, the Spirit comes in the tongues of fire. That's how he rectifies it. I was headed there because I thought when you called it the language, what did you call it? Large language models. Large language model. Because just to show that we're not making this up, I wish I would have had this at the ready last night

when I was talking to Sadie. But in Genesis 9, now this was right after you had, remember the fall of the celestial beings and the powers in Genesis 6? And then what happened when they got with humans, kind of the same repeat of what happened in the garden? Bad things started happening. Yeah.

Which in Genesis 6, the flood happens. The Lord looked down and the whole place would feel with violence and to a point where there was only one family. You had a mass extinction event. Yeah, that stood out. Well, then when the boat rested and Noah comes out in Genesis 9, God bless Noah and said, be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. because humans are to fill the earth and reflect God's image. So two chapters later, when you get to the Tower of Babel,

after he just said, scatter and fill the earth, the whole world, chapter 11, had one language to Zex's point and a common speech, and as men moved eastward, they found a plane in Shinar and settled there. They said, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly. They use brick instead of stone and tar for mortar. Then they said, here's the key phrase. Come, let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens so that we may make a name for ourselves. Well, that's the exact opposite.

First skyscraper is born. Yeah, that's the opposite of what God told them to do. and you're to reflect who I am and how great I am, and you're supposed to fill the earth. They said, no, we're going to stop right here, and we're going to come together, and we're going to build, which sounds great. We're going to go to heaven itself

and declare to the heavens, the celestial world, we are something. And God said, nope. You'll do what I tell you, and watch how this works when you can't understand each other. And then what was the result? They all scattered and beat. That's how we got all the nations.

And what were they afraid of? Why did they do it? They didn't want to scatter, so God scatters them. They wanted to make a name for themselves. They got no name at all. Exactly. And then Genesis 12 happens, and he calls Abram, and listen to know what he says to Abram.

He says, I will make a great nation out of you, and I will bless you, and then God says, I will make your name great. So the very thing that they were attempting to do on their own, God then turns around to Abram and says, actually, I'm going to make your name great. And then he returns back to that Genesis 128 mandate, which is to be fruitful, multiply, so do the earth have dominion over? It basically expand.

And he says, in you, all the families of the earth, like the whole globe, like it's going to spread out. All the families of the earth are going to be blessed. and he says in verse 7 when he appeared to Abram he said to your offspring I will give this land and that's the that is the the whole trajectory of the kingdom from the very beginning of the Bible and when man tries to come in and Satan and the and the fallen celestial world when they try to come in and stop that that when we try to stop Genesis 128 then God comes in and he says that's not going to happen because I'm going to get what I'm going to get

because I'm God and my will, my will will will be achieved. But his will is that we would be fruitful, multiply, and then fill the earth with his glory. That is, that really is the Bible in a nutshell. And you know, Zach, interestingly enough, the three biggest world religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all link back to Abraham. Yeah. To get to the story you just told. Isn't that interesting that even all these...

Or characters within that... Exactly. I mean, obviously we all believe different things, but I'm saying it goes back. We all claim that Father Abraham of the faithful. So it's kind of interesting that most of the people living on the planet today still go back to that story. Well, that's a good point, because when you get to Matthew,

and you say, why does Matthew open up with these boring genealogies? Like, who cares? Well, the reason why matters is because Abraham was the father of the three prominent faiths in the world today. Yeah. But not all of those faiths, they're not legitimate. Only Christianity is legitimate. And so the through line, through those genealogies, what we actually see is we actually

see that Genesis 128, we actually see that weaving itself, or God weaving it, all the way through human history. And you can actually trace that exact mission of God through the entire Bible and through the entire history of the world, starting with Adam. and moving its way through Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then Jacob had 12 signs, and then it's Jude. You can see the whole thing all the way through David, then to Jesus. And so that's that, the genealogy matters, because it's not in there as just random,

this isn't just random, you know, history. This isn't just, what's the, what's the site everybody goes to the, to get the genealogies? What's it called? Ancestrian. Ancestry.com. It's not Ancestri. dot com. Yeah.

I mean, this is like, this is an argument. This is like a, this is evidence. This is the, this is the, the architecture of how God

acts in human history to redeem the world. Yeah. Well, and the reason when you said the others are not legitimate, at the end of the day, at all roads

led to Jesus being the human manifestation of God. It's God in human form. Which the statement you just made pretty much, would be a great synopsis of the book of John, right? Well, that's where I was going,

because when you fast forward, we went through that Tower of Babel. But, I mean, Jesus spent three chapters, John through the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit, goes into detail about these conversations that they have with Jesus about him promising the Holy Spirit once he goes away, which is what John 14 was all about.

And I have to read this because, when he says, if you love me, you'll do what I command, I will ask the Father, and he will give you a counselor to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him, but you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. Yeah. So that came from heaven, and it came into human hearts post-Jesus' death, and bera, and resurrection, because those powers that contributed to the Tower of Babel, to the garden scene, a man fallen, they were defeated by what he did on the cross, and not just the cross itself, but who was hanging on it.

Yeah. His character was flawless, and then he showed that he's in the strong. His resurrection proving that he is indestructible. That's why he's our priest between heaven and earth, the bridge to God and humans through Jesus. And so then when he pours out that spirit in Acts 1, which you see a sign of that in that little private ceremony in John 20 when it said he breathed on them the Holy Spirit.

But you remember what he said? As the Father sent me, I'm sending you. That's right. and that Holy Spirit comes on them, and it's the exact opposite of what happened in Genesis 11. You got these men, they start speaking, and everyone, if you read that text closely, the wording is all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit

and began to speak in other tongues. This is two, four. And you have a little letter by that word tongues, and you go down and look what is the alternate? translation or languages. But you got to remember there were all these nations being represented there at the day of Pentecost, verse 5. Now, there were staying in Jerusalem, God-fearing Jews, from every nation under heaven.

All the ones that got scattered way back in Genesis 11 who developed their own nation based on the language that they had been given from God. they were all together and they heard this sound and a crowd came together in bewilderment. And here's the phrase. Because each one, each one of these nations, people within the different nations from all under heaven, heard them speaking in his own language. That was the miracle, is that it would be like me having 12 people as an all. audience from 12 different nations speaking different languages, and I speak, and they all hear

their language from one voice. Right. Now that's a miracle. That's a miracle. It's like, is it the hearing or the speaking? Or is it just God's power making this happen? You know it had to be centered on what you're talking about because it says then Peter stood up in Aramaic and then preached his sermon.

See what I'm saying? he shifted, because they all had a common language that they understood by coming into that area, but they also had the language where they're from. Well, right. So, I mean, you know it's not talking about anything other than languages. So I was going to make the point, Zach, is AI capable of one voice, you know, Bob or whoever it was, you said Jersey, was Carl? Yeah, Carl. Can Carl speak in 12 different speech?

speaking languages representatives can they hear their language from Carl simultaneously what about it not possible i think that only can be born in the snow we're getting somewhere that is i would go with the spirit rather than i somehow i feel like i'm chatting my inner dad because i think back to when he went in we bought him Alexa and he said he asked her if she duck hunted and she said, I'm not sure. And dad said, I don't trust that old gal. Well, exactly. How do you, are you not sure whether you duck on or not?

Well, to answer Sadie's question, I would say that the devil is the author confusion. Even in the case of the Tower of Babel, God does confuse their language, but we're talking about authorship here. So the question is, why does he confuse their language? There's a reason why that happens in the moment. it's because the devil had authored the whole environment which would cause a confusion. He was the one that came out. Which was the rebellion, right? It was the rebellion.

Right. And then God in love showed his justice by saying, you should have trusted me. Yeah. Which is why later he's going to give his Holy Spirit, which is where real truth comes from. Which is why I called it a love letter because the first, you know, script or the first couple of chapters of the love letter is the Abraham story. which opens an opportunity by faith to come to you. I mean, that's why Abraham, there's a reason why it's called Father of the Faithful

and not Father just of the Jewish people. That's anybody that has faith. I think we have a problem wrapping our heads around these kind of debates because I feel like the number one thing is we don't really, as modern-day followers of Jesus, stress the present reality of heaven and hell. If you don't do what God says,

You're going to have a present reality of separation of God, which is basically hell. Yeah. And there's where confusion comes in and a lot of bad things. But the same thing is true. When he gave a spirit, you're experiencing something from heaven in you. And in a way, you're experiencing the present reality of representing heaven on earth through Jesus. So I want to read a couple of things because we're kind of wrapping the book today. and getting ready to transition.

And you can always, you know, we were trained Jason to present a lesson that when you start out, you tell them what you're going to tell them, then you tell them, then you tell them what you tell them. Kind of was the format, right or wrong, that's how we were trained.

So I'll look back at the very first one, and I was kind of seeing like, how do we do with this? I thought it was a couple of interesting things from notes, this is from a year ago. One of the things I talked about that all four gospels had a different emphasis, And I don't know where I got this, but Matthew, this is the Messiah, the king, worship him.

Mark, this is the servant who served humanity, follow him. Luke, this is the only man among men without sin, emulate him. This was just generalities. But then John, this is God and human flesh, believe in him. To like that idea. And then out of that, we talked about in the first chapter, the first 18 verses, the word is eternal. The word is the creator. The word is the source and sustainer of life.

And the word became fully human and fully reveals God to humanity. That was from those first 18 verses. And then I would add in what we were just talking about in 14 through 16, and the word will live in us. Yeah. It was kind of the point of it. So I thought that was, I thought we have explained all that pretty well through the process of it.

And then I went back, Jay's, because I've been keeping track of these. Is there a way, Josh, we can make some of this stuff available to the audience, like in show notes or something? I don't know. We'll work on that if it's possible. But I wrote the questions down, Jay, or recorded them, and I came up with, I think, 24 questions, too many to get into.

There were way more than that. And there were more, but these were kind of what I call the arc type, big questions. That Jesus asked. Yeah. And you remember the very first one, you remember we dealt with it in Chapter 1 was, What do you want? What do you want? They were following him, his potential.

followers and he turned around and said, what do you want? But it's a good, it's a good question to ask yourself, what do you want? And do you remember the last one? Do you love me? No. Oh, if he wants to die. What's it to you? Yeah, what's it to you? What do you want? What's it to you? So I thought it was interesting that that was

What do you want? What's it to you? What's it to you? What's it to you? If I decided to let him live until I come back, you know. I'd be a good, that'd be a good book title. A good t-shirt. Another t-shirt. What's it to you? What's it to you? And in between, there were many, many questions that came out of almost every chapter in the book of John, which you made the point, as we were doing those, that that's a great way to understand Jesus

is to listen to the questions he asked and then try to answer them. Yeah, like in your real life. Even take them out of context. Just what do you want in life? Yeah. You know, what is it to you if something bad happens to somebody else? So what? Yeah.

What is that to you? Answer the question. Remember in the last Bible? we were talking about families, and I think Willie asked Dave, you know, how you deal with like inside a family structure, fairness and equality and how does everybody get the same thing? You know, and his answer is basically, well, what's it to you? I mean, if you're willing to work and produce and, you know, he went through that whole thing. But I think that's a great concept in life. What's it to you, if I'm working something in this person, you need to still trust in me, which isn't he said that to Peter. What's funny is we were, we were, all raised that way. I mean, Phil raised y'all that way. My dad, I mean, I remember growing up, even like, I would say something when I was

a teenager, like, you don't trust me, dad, like trying to manipulate him. And he would always say something like, you're right, I don't trust you. You're an idiot. Your frontal lobes not fully developed. And the way he would do it, it's just like rob me of all my entitlement. You know what I mean? Like, I would try to manipulate

my dad. He was like, you can't manipulate me. I don't owe you nothing. I'm like, even like I made you, son. Yeah, we didn't grow up with any kind of entitlement, which really, I mean, when he says, what's it to you, what Jesus is ultimately ending with, you're not entitled to anything. And I think that's one of the reasons why when you have an entitlement mindset in your life, which we've all struggle with us, it never leads to any real prosperity. It never does. But it's when we kind of turn that over is when we actually see true human flourishing. I think Jesus knew that

when he says that to Peter, he's like, what's it to you? Like, you don't know what I know. You don't, you're not running the show here. This isn't your, this isn't your wealth. This is it your bank account. This is it your world. This is it your, like, it's me. And he's, that's what he's explaining.

And I think that is really kind of ironically, the journey that we're all on is getting to the place where we can hear God say, what's it to you? And we can say, it's not anything to me. Yeah. That's why I use the book of John primarily, is when I've, sharing Jesus with people. And then I ask them to go home and read it for themselves and just ask one question, which is, what's your view of Jesus?

Who do you think Jesus is? Right. Because to me, it all comes down to that personal decision of you realizing what Zach just said, that everything that we have is from heaven. It's from God. Yeah. And he'll bless you, but he will also, he doesn't have a problem. of you going through some struggles to realize that it's better to trust God,

even though it may not make sense at the time, and you don't know how he's going to work it out, then to go on your own devices, because that won't work. It's like the line from the equalizer for Denzel Washington. He said, there's two kinds of pain, ones that teach and ones that hurt. Yeah. Which is it going to be with you? I mean, that's why I think we're recommending this book,

to get people over the hump or to start the hump, I guess, to a journey with the Lord, is at some point you've got to look at Jesus for yourself as God in human form and ask yourself, am I going to surrender to him or not? I mean, that decision to me, if it comes from the heart based on you doing the, and it's not like, that's why we have this book.

You read the story and you say, well, who is this Jesus? And I concluded the first time I read the book of John, the first time. Yeah. I thought, I think he's the son of God. I think he came to this earth. Well, and I don't, again, we didn't plan it this way necessarily, but I think that's the reason why we did the book as sort of our first step forward

without dad being a verbal, verbal part of the conversation that we have here. Because we started the podcast way back with this with dad, And now it's kind of a new birth for us in the sense of obviously we miss his voice, but he seems to be with us every podcast because we keep talking about him. What I think is going to be troubling for some people. I'm just going to preview. I know this was not a preview of First John, but I wanted to say this. I've had people say, because I always lead them to the Book of John.

And I've had people read the Book of John and then call them and say, I'm giving my life to Christ. It's great. Well, then later in the disciple progress, I've had them then read First John and say, I'm not sure I'm in. So I don't know from a theological standpoint what the problem is, but one of the reasons we're going to First John

is because of that happening multiple times in my life. First John is hard to get your head around, because you start seeing sentences that I think are modern... And I would say, just out of the top of my head, my initial answer, and we'll dive into this next podcast, is that really is the purpose, because a lot of years have passed as John wrote,

well, we just studied and what he's going to write later. And guess what? The old evil one is always at work. And the main thing he wants to do is plant doubt into your heart. So that's going to be a big part of what we talk about in the next study as well. So I just want to say Happy New Year to everybody.

We're excited about the new study. And look, we really, and we probably should say it more, I appreciate the fact that you out there in computer land, as dad would say, go with us on this journey. Because for us, we love the Bible. We love Bible study. But if you guys weren't there listening and watching, obviously it wouldn't be near as much fun for us.

So thank you for the study. I hope it's blessed your life. I know some of you have found your relationship with Christ because of this, and we give him all the praise and the glory for that. And we're excited about 2026. It's going to be great. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast.

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