Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1255 | Jase Channels His Inner Willie & Lets His Ego Run Wild

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Jase shares how an unexpected compliment went straight to his head and briefly made him feel a little too much like Willie Robertson. The guys ease into what is one of the most overlooked ideas in First John—that eternal life isn’t just a future promise, but a present reality. Linking Hebrews to the Old Testament, the guys explore how Jesus bridges heaven and earth in a way most people miss. In this episode: First John, chapter 1; First John, chapter 2, verse 1; John, chapter 17; First John, chapter 5, verses 4–11; Genesis, chapter 28, verses 11–18; John, chapter 1, verse 51; Isaiah, chapter 54, verses 2–3; Hebrews, chapter 2, verse 10; Hebrews, chapter 5, verses 8–10; Hebrews, chapter 7, verse 28; Hebrews, chapter 4, verse 12 “Unashamed” Episode 1255 is sponsored by: https://homechef.com/unashamed — Get 50% off and free shipping on your first box plus free dessert for life! http://fastgrowingtrees.com/unashamed — Get 20% off your next purchase with code UNASHAMED at checkout! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. 0:00 – Mondays with Jase are always interesting 4:10 – A duck blind compliment Jase wasn’t expecting 8:45 – Fellowship, life, and why First John hits different 13:30 – Afternoon duck hunts and finally hitting full limits 18:10 – Jesus as our advocate and what that means right now 23:05 – Heaven and earth colliding in First John and Hebrews 28:40 – The testimony of water, blood, and the Spirit 34:15 – Jacob’s ladder and the portal between heaven and earth 40:20 – Why God’s kingdom grows through suffering 46:15 – Jesus as the perfect high priest and eternal life — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I always love coming in on Mondays to record because usually Jace has had something happen. You have no idea. Zach, don't you love Mondays with Jase? Well, yeah, you never know what you're going to get. It's like a bunch of chocolate. I was just about to go there, but I was going to do the old famous philosopher once said,

but you kind of beat me to the punch for Sky. Well, there are people who live, live life. I mean, isn't that the theme of first John? He starts off in chapter one, first paragraph. He's talking about we're having fellowship with life of life, the life. That's it. So I took that to me. Maybe I should do some living.

Get a life. About they say that? Get a life? Every man dies, but not every man lives, Jason. Now we're talking. Well, I had something happen, and I'm nervous about telling it, because my first impression, I thought, what if I tell this?

Because it's a, you are going to think this is funny and bizarre. But if I tell it, it makes me seem like my brother Willie in my mind, because it actually elevated me this story that I'm about to tell you. I guess I'm going to do it. But I humbly will tell you this because I did not expect this story. So I take one of our friends, all three of us, we know a lawyer who follows Jesus named Gary Glenn. Do you know him, Zach? I may know Gary Glenn.

Are y'all, would you consider yourself good friends or I want to rate this relationship before I tell you what's fixing to happen? I would say that as close of a friend as you can have on this earth, that we're, that he'd be one of those. Well, you're really going to love that. I had no idea. Y'all were that close. Al, what's your relationship status? Super close. You know, he's really close to Jeff. And so I have, I have watched him grow. grow from a young lad into a fine man who I serve as a fellow elder with him. He is. Let me say it this way. We're close enough for me to know he is completely full of crap too.

So there is that. There is that. Well, you're already predicting the caveat because I set you up. So here's what happened. I take him and his uncle duck hunting because it's duck season. You're talking about Wendell? Yep. Oh, Wendell, who's hilarious.

He is hilarious to hunt with. The only thing better was when Wendell and my dad were hunting together. And you could not. I mean, the laughter, I mean, Wendell needs a show of something. He needs people to follow him. Weren't they park rangers together or something at one? They were. He told us a story.

Yeah, they worked together at the Corps of Engineers or something. He told us that story. There's a picture. There's a picture somewhere. If I could find it, I would love to have it. That would have been the show right there. Park Rangers. Unfortunately, most of the stories, he told, I don't think they're ready for human consumption.

They're just a little bit picky. Oh, Jay's quit acting like that. He's just telling good old stories. Anyway, they're in the blind. We shot a few ducks. This was the day before we figured it out. So this was, I think we shot five ducks. but Gary Glenn hadn't hunted with him all year.

And he's like, well, what are y'all studying in the podcast? And I was like, well, we're in First John. And I said, you know, at that point, that's a few days ago, I was like, I had some trouble wrapping my head around how to talk about this. So I've been studying it a lot. And he's like, well, what are you having trouble with, you know? And so I kind of just launched into a First John study there. in a duck blind, which everybody was listening.

It turned into a podcast in the wilderness. And I said, but look, I'm not very smart. And so I'm having to make up for that by just sheer hours of study. I have studied. This is the hardest I've studied at any point in our podcast. Sounds like me and C.S. Lewis. And so then Gary Glenn, who has been quietly listening, which is difficult for him.

He's a lawyer. He loves a talk. He says, well, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. And I thought, well, here we go. Because I thought he's now heard something about what I think about first John. And he said, I'm going to have to disagree. You're way smarter than the other two guys on your podcast. And I laugh.

I laugh. I laugh. I laugh. I laugh. I said, well, I laughed because I thought, well, that's a good joke. He said, no, I'm serious. So there you go. I wanted to share that with you.

That was Gary Glenn's take. I'm so glad you led Zach with the he's full of crap because that is exactly. I knew there had to be a, well, I mean, look, here's the thing about Gary. I love Gary, but you're talking about a contrarian. Oh, here we go. No, he is. I mean, if I told him that Jesus rose from the dead, but well, let me. give you a caveat on that. I mean, he'd have

like some kind of caveat. I mean, they're the caveat. He usually does not. Which is why I thought he would have some pushback on my first John thoughts. But he really didn't. Well, you are smart. You probably are smart. No. Jason's like an old Aredale dog. He's a lot smarter he looks.

No. I'll take the what Willie wouldn't say. I would say, no, I get a lot of that from perspiration just starting hard. I haven't said all that. You guys have no idea what I've stumbled upon in my studies. And so I feel like...

Are we in first John? Oh, we're in First John. Now, I think we left off and we're going to go to Hebrews, but I wanted to give you another little quick update. And because I'm going to mirror these two illustrations. So we've had a poor duck season, but we had a rain. Let's see, I guess it's been a week ago. and it took two or three days for the ducks to find it,

but, you know, the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. So about, what was that, Thursday or Friday, so three or four days ago, I said, everybody said, where are we going in the morning? Of course, we're going out there every morning, and it's like five, four, two, one. And I said, I say we sleep in,

and we go in the evening. Because we had scouted our little field that when we got the rain, I felt like the water was perfect. But every time we went and scouted, there was no ducks there. But we were scouting about noon after we hunted our other place.

I'm like, every time I've scouted, there's no ducks there. Now, why are they not there? And then I thought, what if they're coming in the afternoon? And I'm based on that solely on, it's just right. The conditions are right.

And so nobody agreed that that was a good idea, but they all showed up. We slept in, we got down there about 1.30, 2 o'clock. That was five of us. And in the first two hours, like from 1.30 to 4 o'clock, so what is that, two and a half hours, we killed for the first time this year, Al, full limits of ducks. We shot 30 ducks. Wow. Your theory was true.

amount allowed. And so I tell you that story to say, everybody's feeling good. All this work we did in all season, we finally got them. And so we're going to give it a couple days, and we're going to go back there in a couple days and do that again. But what I was going to say is the same thing happened with me studying First John, you know, just kind of thinking outside the box and going to places and study into different things in the past week. I've really stumbled up on some things. I'm really excited to share. And I've touched on a few of them that we did in the book of John,

but we left off, I think we left off at 1st John 2.1. We did. And it says, My dear children, I'll write this to you so that you will not sin. Because he's already said,

he's inviting you into this fellowship, which we declared it's deeper than our English translation of this. This is a intimate participation. What else did we say for that? Participation, communion. Communion, yeah. Partnership. Partnership is also translated, this fellowship. And I went to John 17 and brought up Jesus at the end of his prayer, which made me think of Jesus' first prayer when he was teaching the disciples how to pray. and he said, I pray that your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.

I never really had seen a linkage of the two prayers until now. And so when you see Jesus speaking to the Father in our defense, the righteous one, he's the, he's our spokesperson. person. Advocate. Yeah. Our advocate. Well, where is that happening?

Where is that happening? When it says... The advocation? Yeah. It's happening at the right hand of the Father. He's in the heavenly temple. Heavenly realms. Well, when is that happening?

Right now. It's happening now. Oh, I like that. Oh, that's good. So the reason I wanted to bring up Hebrews is because Hebrews kind of comes at that same point. And you say, well, why? Do we want to get into that? Yeah, well, it's funny that you're actually bringing this up.

This has been the same exact area of study that I've been in. So, yes. Well, boy, this is going to be good. I better get my glasses on. I'm so excited about this. I'm crackling with anticipation. Well, Al, this is going to be a cliffhanger that doesn't land because the biggest revealing that I participated in about this

is when we get to 1st John 5, now I know I'm giving you a cliffhanger here that we're not going to solve today because we're in chapter 1 and chapter 2 and verse 1. But I've always had trouble wrapping my head around when it gets to 1st John 5 talking about this. There's three that testify. And some of you Bible nerds already know we're talking about it. And if you want to go spend days getting different perspectives on this, this is...

Yeah, everything I read about this was all over the map. Oh, it's all over the map. But I'll give you a little sampling because when I say something, hit me like a ton of bricks. This part came by this study through Hebrews and kind of going back to the Old Testament and looking into this heaven and earth coming together and how Jesus is in heaven for us. He gives us His Holy Spirit.

We're on earth. There seems to be some kind of connection happening now, which would be the answer to his prayer. The disciples about, I pray that your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. But anyway, just to read the first John 5, because that way when we get here, you're going to go, like I did, a few nights ago. I went, oh. So verse 6 of chapter 5 says, I feel, you know, you want to just keep going further back

and reading it, but he had just said in chapter 5 in verse 4 that there was a victory that had overcome the world. And who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Well, then he launches into this very dense, controversial, hard to wrap your head around section, which says, this is the one who came by water and blood. Jesus Christ, everybody's all, what's the water?

What's the blood? He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. what's the water, what's the blood, what is he talking about? And it is the spirit who testifies because the spirit is truth. Ooh, what does that mean? For there are three that testify, the spirit, the water, and the blood. So you see why people are saying, what does he mean by all this? And the three are in agreement.

We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater, because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his son. Anyone who believes in the son of God has this testimony in his heart, which is the reason I'm reading this is because you're like, what exactly is this testimony?

Other than, okay, we understand that God became a man, which is kind of the theme of this book. Right. Because there was a few people who had distanced themselves, because they didn't believe that Jesus was God in human form. So just to keep reading it, it says, anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his son.

Now, here's the verse I wanted to get to, to sum this up. You remember how this book is laid out, And the reason I wanted to go over this first, the first paragraph is talking about this life, this life of life. Remember it? So before I read it, just to review, that what, this is first John 1. That which was from the beginning, which we've seen, which we've heard, our hands have looked at and our hands have touched. This we proclaim concerning the word of life. the life appeared. We've seen it. He's talking about life. We proclaimed to you the eternal life. Remember we went through the not only in the present age, but the age to come, the quality of life that this life offers, which is eternal life.

He is an eternal being. And we can have fellowship with this life with the father and with the son. Well, now, after this little testimony in the water and the blood and the spirit, Spirit, and he's talking about Jesus becoming a man, verse 11 of chapter 5. Look at where he circles back to after he gives the two other DNA reflections of God, which is light for a couple chapters. Yep. And love.

Well, now he goes back to this life, because watch. And this is the testimony. God has given us each other. eternal life. We're back to where we started. And this life is in his son. He who has the son, has it. When? Oh, you have it. If you're in the sun, you have this life that's very hard to describe. He who does not have the son of God does not have life. Well, then I was like, well, duh. Think about the three things that he mentioned that are, are in agreement.

We have water. Well, guess what? On earth, let's just go back to the creation. What did God use to produce life in the creation story? What were the components used to produce life? Water hovering over, I mean, a spirit hovering over the water. Now that comes up later, but he starts off. Remember the water he sprang forth from the,

from the ground itself. Remember, he separated the water, but then it started producing all these seed-bearing life, you know, producing life. But think about just this statement that I've said many times. On this planet, where there's no water, guess where what's absent? Life.

You have to have water. Even in your own bodies, 60, 70%, depending on male and female. I've done some research on this. if your actual body is made up of water. Yep. You know why? You have to have water to live.

And so these are symbolic of life itself. And you said, what about the blood? Well, what is blood? All through the Bible, you see, and we're going to go back and read this, because when you go to Hebrews, it only makes sense if you realize that blood, going all the way back to Cain and Abel is not to the same. supposed to be spelled out on the ground. You know why? Because it is a symbol of life. It's the life blood of humans and animals. Agree? And then the spirit, well, what did it do? It breathed life.

It's the heavenly component of life. It breathed into the dust. The dust is watered. You have life. You have access to water. So it makes a lot more sense when you're looking at at it through the lens of him describing the life that you are participating, whether it be on earth or heaven or in your body. And there's another component not mentioned here, but even when he talked about the anointing in chapter two, well, what was all that about? Well, that was the anointing, and it's all through the Old Testament and the New Testament, where it was symbolic of what? This plant oil, symbolically, the life. liquid of plants going back to the garden.

So it's another component of life, is my point. So. It was sort of a healing component and a comforting component, all that stuff. But it's also used in prayer like John James 5. Remember when we did a podcast on that. But what was it even symbolically showing that there's this portal between heaven and earth that you now have access to through Jesus and this life through prayer. Think Romans 5.

Remember when it said he's given us access to the Father? And so before we read Hebrews, just to illustrate this, and what I'm trying to say is there's a portal that has been open through Jesus to heaven itself. So when he's in 1 John 2.1, well, he's at the right hand of God. He's poured out his spirit. So think anointing, even if it was with the oil, because I think that's his point in 1st John 2. We've had this anointing of the Holy Spirit. But even using the oil shadow of what that represents, of something being poured out,

all of these things are combining heaven and earth, which is the first verse. in the Bible, God created the heavens and the earth. And then Jesus bringing that back together in some form. So where I wanted, before you read Hebrews, I wanted to remind you of that story, because I know

this is hard to wrap your head around if you've never heard this, if you're listening. The story I wanted to read is that Genesis 28 when Jacob had the dream. And then we'll go to Hebrews if that's fine with you all

it's fine with me because I just want to what I'm trying to say is where all these things kind of click for me is that we tend to think God is a million miles away and the exact

opposite is true because now Jesus has torn that veil of heaven and earth he's broken through that by giving us his spirit and Him speaking on our behalf representing us as a human to God. We have this connection.

And so I think John is trying to make that practical in how you walk in the light and confess your sins. But this portal was open through Jesus, his representative. And the more you believe this to be true, the more real this becomes in your everyday life. So you remember Genesis 28, so Jacob, now y'all can give the background on this, Al, you're better than I am about all of this. He's the contact.

Yeah, Jacob basically, yes, remember his name was the deceiver, and he had basically used deceit, along with his mom, to steal his older brother's birthright. And so out of that, he's. on the run and he winds up, you know, on his way to meet his future brides because he winds up with four of them down the road. So that's the background. And the reason I'm going here is because when you look at like how anointing, and the reason I believe he brought that up about acknowledging that Jesus says to Christ is in the Old Testament, and we did a podcast on this, God would anoint people as representatives, one, for the many to represent.

And you had priests, you had kings that would go through this. Now, unfortunately, they weren't what Jesus would ultimately become, which is the ultimate priest king. And I think there's one instance of a prophet, but it's mainly priests and kings on behalf of the people. But there's also a place that would be anointed as this portal. Because those people kind of became portals of heaven and earth. Like, think Moses on the top of the mountain. Think the priests when they go into the most holy place.

They're representing the people into the presence of God. Yeah. Right? Which goes back to that heaven and earth thing. And, Jace, to your point, the Jewish belief. system was always that when you were not, when you didn't have the presence of God, that was their view of what death really was. So that's, I mean, this is life of death. I would say hell also. Exactly. Exactly. So here's this story. So Jacob in verse 11, I guess we'll start, when he reached a certain

place, because I wanted to show you, and we should have done this before, so my bad, because I didn't zero in on the place. He stopped for the night because the sun had set. This is Genesis 28-11, taking one of the stones there, which is going to be interesting, because stones are going to have, when we get to the New Testament on what Jesus offers as far as breaking through this veil between heaven and earth, people who have the spirit would become living stones, and he would be, what, the chief cornerstone? So I think all this comes into play here because he takes a stone, he puts it under his head, which is kind of the logic center of a human up here with the brain.

He's laying on this stone to sleep, and he has a dream, which is what we do through our brain and our soul, you know, the and he saw a stairway or a ladder resting on the earth with its head reaching to heaven now what's fascinating about this because he would later name this bethel in genesis 11 the people who had turned to idols and were serving other gods they built a physical tower with its head reaching to heaven, but it was four other gods, and God disrupted that,

change of language, and the project died, because his presence was not approving of it. So I think this is interesting in that light. So he sees this ladder stairway with its top reaching or its head reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it, which is going back and forth,

And there's a curious verse in Job, what is it, chapter one or two, where it's like they're going back and forth from the earth to heaven and accusing, you know, in different humans or whatever. You're going to look that up. And there above it stood the Lord, and he said, I am the Lord, the God of your father, Abraham, and the God of Isaac. So this stairway to heaven has God up there. and the God of Isaac, I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Okay, wow. So this is earth. We're getting this orders from God.

There's a promise involved. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth and you will spread out to the west or like sand on the seashore, you know. Out to the west and the east to the north and south. All people's on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. So he gives a promise. I am with you and watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land, and I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised,

which is an important thing about him promising this, because you're going to see this fulfilled in Hebrews. So verse 16, when Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, surely the Lord, now I want to highlight this, is in this place. So it started off saying he came to a certain, place and i was not aware of it because he was dream only in a dream state did he kind of connect with this heavenly encounter he was afraid and said how awesome is this place this is none other than the

house of god interesting this is the gate or portal of heaven which the reason brought the Tower of Babel is because the Babel means gates of the gods. Isn't that interesting? This is the gate, the portal of heaven. So you see what happened here. There's a connection between God and a person. There's a portal open. A promise was given. Yeah, when you look at the New Testament iteration of this in the Gospel of John, there's a direct reference almost like ripping off the language of this dream and associating it with Christ, particularly when it says in Genesis 28,

it says that behold the angels of God were ascending and descending on that ladder you were talking about. So the ladder's connected into heaven, so it's the portal, right? And the angels are coming up and down on the ladder, up and down on the ladder. They're ascending and then they're descending. Well, so when you get the gospel, John, and John 151, it says, truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the son of man. So you're seeing Christ is not, like Christ is the latter.

It goes back to your cornerstone reference earlier. You read my mind because I was going there next, but now we don't have to. But because I was going to ask the question, if you're listening, you're like, what does this have to do with First John? because John in chapter one like Zach accurately depicted goes here he goes here and Nathaniel's under a tree and Jesus has this weird conversation with him like basically I'm paraphrasing but I know what you were thinking you were thinking about that portal this promise between Jacob and I want you to know that you're looking at it I am the I am the I am a that portal, that gateway to heaven. So eventually when he gets to 1st John 2, he's like, we have one who speaks on our defense because he has broken through for humans.

What was the problem, which is once we sin and once you have these angels who are descending and some of them who rebelled against God and they started not doing what they were meant to do, they had to be defeated. So not only part of that breaking the veil was also disarming the celestial beings who were contributing to this chasm between heaven and earth, which is us having access to God and having this fellowship, this partnership. So I think all those things play in this. Would you all agree? Yeah, and there's also, if you go back to that Genesis 28 passage too, it gives you a little glimpse into the nature of the kingdom,

particularly the nature of God's temple, as he's going to establish it in Christ being the cornerstone and us being living stones. You know that passage in Ephesians where it says Christ is the cornerstone in the temple? Yes. And then we're living stones. And then there's this weird language that says we're growing. Yeah.

Growing. So when you think when you think about the, temple of the Old Testament, people think, well, they have a hard time correlating it to this new temple that was established in the New Testament. But you have to remember that it was always prophesied. So when you got in this Genesis 28 passage where he says, your offspring, you read this two, verse 14, shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south. And in you, your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Well, that is reiterated by the prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 54.

When this is 54 verse 2 and 3, he says, enlarge this place. What's that mean? It sounds like something's growing. What's growing? The place of your tent. So the tent is growing. The temple is growing and let the curtains of your habitations be stretched out. Do not hold back, lengthen your cords and strengthen your stakes for you will spread abroad to the right and to the left, the same language from Genesis 28. And your offspring will possess the nations and will people the desolate cities. And so when you think about this picture, even in Genesis 28, even in the prophet Isaiah, as he's describing the temple, one thing that is true throughout,

all of the scripture is whatever temple God ultimately has in mind, it's not a temple that's going to be static. It is a temple that is going to be growing and expanding to the far corners of the globe. So when you get to the New Testament and you see that Jesus is now this cornerstone, but it didn't just stop right there. This thing is growing. This thing is moving. This thing is expanding. Well, let me break in with one thought as well. I love it that this is a, this is, Jacob is just a link in the chain that was started back in Genesis 12, after the Tower of Bible, you mentioned Jays. So this first promise was his grandfather, Abraham. And again, he was called from a place to go to a place, which will wind up being this same promise lamb.

And this is his grandson that now this, where this heaven breaks through in this vision. And then you fast forward again, you get into the age of mother. Moses and Joshua, and in Joshua four, whenever he's crossing the Jordan to go into, and they're about to now take this land that God has given them where the presence of God is going to be in this place. And guess what they took in with them, Jason, piled up 12 stones to represent the 12 sons of Jacob to represent the promise of God. So it's just like you follow the narrative all the way through the Old Testament,

which is exciting. I'd like to make one point. Oh, gosh. But this is just a practical point. Because I think about, I don't know if y'all saw the story. Did you guys see this church in Minnesota? And the guys in there preaching, they're having service, and they just get bombarded with all these protesters.

And it was kind of crazy if you watched the video of it. And I looked up to church. It seemed like a legit, you know, evangelical place we would worship to go to church. and I was watching the, like, their response, the church's responses, like Don Lemon and all these protesters come in and just, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, it was scary. And I watched them in the way that they conducted themselves. And it was like, you know what's interesting about the kingdom of God? When you had mentioned that at the beginning, how does it grow? Like, how does that temple actually grow? You know, and I mean, well, you think about when Saul went in and from home to home persecuting the church, Saul came in trying to see. stamp it out. But somehow

through the suffering of the church it actually expanded. Like even the Stephen, the stoning of Stephen, like that didn't stop it. That actually, it was that, it was the persecution of the church had actually expanded it. And, you know, I was thinking about that

when you started with the water, the blood, and the spirit. That blood is important. Because it's the blood of Christ. It's an agreement that through the suffering through sacrificial love, which is the truth, that is the mechanism by which God's church grows, and it can not be snuffed out. And that's just so encouraging that it's

in the agreement of this very thing that we're talking about, that now we can watch something like what's happened in Minnesota, and much worse, and then we still know in the end what happens. We belong to a kingdom that can't be shaken or destroyed. Exactly. That's good. Well, Al, when you brought up all the examples in Genesis, I'm going to see your Abraham and your Jacob, and I'm going to raise you Noah.

You're like, Noah. And here's why. Because in chapter 28 of 18, in this story that we're reading about this portal of heaven being open to Jacob, when he gets to verse 18, after he just said, this is none other than the house of God, the portal of heaven, Gade of him. Early the next morning, now what's what happens? This was shocking to me.

Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar, and he poured oil on top of it. Now, this is what I had missed when we had gone through the anointing of these people being set apart by God to represent the many. And share with them God's plan. But here we have a place being anointed with all.

And I think that's important because when we get to Hebrews, you're going to see the Hebrew writer zeroes in on Jesus entering heaven itself on our behalf.

He's, you know. He's, And people who only view Atonement having to do with the cross, which it is. Tom it is about the cross. He paid for our sins. But the Hebrew writer seems to zero in on his ascension into heaven itself for our behalf. And we're going to read that multiple times. And that's where you get this idea about him being our mediator, our representative.

in heaven itself. So we'll get to that. And you say, what's this got to do with Noah? What I found fascinating when you go back to these celestial beings losing their place, doing things with humans that are not godly, which that's in Genesis 6,

which results in violence, which results in a purging of sorts through water. Now, this, This illustration Peter uses in 1 Peter 3, it's like the water, the same water that purge the evil on the earth. It actually saved Noah because he trusted God and built a boat and was floating on top of it with the animals. But don't you find it fascinating that then the spirit, after the flood, the spirit, remember the wind blows and then the water recedes? And then you have like this seven-day creation story reenacted where he sends out birds.

The first verse in Genesis is talking about the spirit hovering over the waters, which is that word hovers. Always talking about like a bird. And then what happens? A dove brings an olive branch, which the concoction for an anointing in Exodus and Leviticus, the little cocktail is olive oil. Now don't you find it strange that on the seventh day after that dove came back, it has an olive branch and it's a dove? And you're like, what is the same oil that you use in prayer,

you know, to symbolically show this portal happening? And I'm saying all this to say, when you get to Jesus in his anointing, what happens? when he's baptized. The spirit descends like a dove. The sins like a dove. Yeah. And then God declares him the representative.

This is my son, which is the whole point of 1st John. People are not looking at the son as the son of God. And so that's his anointing. And then I want to just take it a little step further. and then because it was used in the Old Testament to anoint kings. Remember, they had a special place to represent God. They didn't do a very good job.

But a lot of people say, well, when? What, Jesus was never anointed with all, like, as the king. Because you have all these Psalms saying that God is going to anoint this king, this son through the line of David. There's multiple Psalms, Psalm 2, Psalm 24, Psalm 1, Psalm 1, Psalm 1, Psalm 1, Psalm 110. You need to read those three Psalms before we launch into Hebrews,

and maybe we should on the next podcast. And you see this language. But here's what I find fascinating. I just want to make this point about Noah, about Jesus, about Jacob, about the portal, about the heaven and earth, about this anointing of the Holy Spirit

being poured out, this connection to heaven and earth. Jesus, that's the right hand of God, us being spirit-filled people. Well, Jesus, remember when he said, I didn't come to be served, but to serve. Because there's four interesting stories in the Gospels about Jesus being anointed. You remember the woman with the perfume bottle, but they're all a little different, and people are like, what, is it the same story? There's two of them he's anointed, you know, in his head, two of them, it's his feet, perfume being.

And it made me realize that that symbolic language, God and his love, and with that spirit of I didn't come to be served but to serve, that Jesus is a different kind of king. Yes, he rules the nations. Yes, he's in charge. Yes, he's at the right hand of God. Yes, he's representing those. Yes, he's victorious. He's overcome the world. But he did it through serving, sacrifice, love.

And I believe that's why those anointing stories are in. the Gospels. That, yes, he is the Son of God. And that's why people have trouble recognizing Jesus as the Son of God because they're like, oh, wait a minute here. You know, you got him being beaten. You got him getting crucified. People from an early viewpoint, they want a king that just whoops everybody, you know,

but that sacrificial love. That was my point earlier when you think about the way the church continues to not just survive, but thrive throughout history, despite all opposition that comes against it and all worldly powers. It happens because Christ is the prototype of that, by the way. And so Christ, think about this. If Christ is going to enter into the heavenly realm, the true temple, and he's going to make atoning sacrifice for us there, I think that I actually think that's what Hebrew is just saying. The only way that Christ is going to get behind the curtain is he has to be appointed as a high priest.

So Christ has to be appointed. That's the whole point of the whole Hebrew story, is that Christ has to be appointed, the son has to be appointed as high priest. And so when you read in Hebrew 7, it says the law appoints men, this is verse 28, in their weakness as high priest. Well, that's a problem,

because they're being appointed in their weakness, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a son, and that's a capital S, by the way, talking about Jesus, who has been made perfect forever. So Jesus being made high priest, it's contingent on him being made perfect.

So if you flip back and say, well, how was he made perfect? How was Christ made perfect? Well, read, I got two verses for you. Hebrews 2, verse 10. It was fitting. that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory,

should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. So Christ was made perfect through suffering. Then you flip over to Hebrews 5. Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Verse 9. And being made perfect, he became the source. of eternal life to all those who obey him being designated by God as what high priest after the order of Malkesedek. Yes. Jesus is not from the tribe of Levi and somehow he sits in the

on the place of high priest and he's not even from the right tribe. And that's the whole point of Hebrew. It's like, yep, he came through a different order. For the people out there, I understand now why Gary Glenn said I'm smarter. Because Zach, keeps jumping seven chapters ahead. And I'm trying to go one chapter at a time. But he's like fast forward, Dean, to the end. That's what he thinks. His mind.

He's absolutely right. I want to say one thing about what Zach just said, because it's just, the perfect examples of what you just described from the Hebrew example about the high priest was seen when Jesus was standing before the high priest, in John 18. And he said, he told the high priest,

he said, I have spoken openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues. I said, you know, everything, nothing is in secret. Why question me? When Jesus said this, one of the officials nearby struck him in the face. Yeah. I always said, I've been very open about what I'm teaching. And he said, is this the way you answer the high priest?

And here's what Jesus said. If I said something wrong, testify. as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me? And to your point, that this is the high priest appointed by God who is God, standing before a flawed man. And what is their answer to him? Strike him in the face.

That's our answer. The problem is that they had, where was the other place? What I was going to do to set this Hebrews up. Now, we read Jacob, he anointed that place because this was a portal. where was the other place where God met a human representative on behalf of the people? Well, it was called the tabernacle. And one high priest, one representative once a year would go in there and have a meeting. And so when you realize this, you see why the Hebrew writer goes into detail about how this happened.

So what does this got to do with 1 John 2? Well, that's what you're going to realize as we go through Hebrews, which made me think we didn't do as good a job as we could have done when we went through the book of Hebrews, because I didn't make all these connections that I've made now on seeing why he did this. Because I think you have to start at chapter one of Hebrews in one through four, because that is where he lays down the foundation for why Jesus has entered on our behalf. And I guess I will have to do that next time. Let me say this.

It's because it's called the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur. And so the high priest goes in year after year, after year, after year, and I just keep on. And every year, what does he do? He goes in, he makes atonement for the people. He loses garments behind. Christ enters once for all. He makes the sacrifice in the heavenly realms. He makes the atonement, presents the atonement.

Yeah, that's, this is chapter 9 and 10. You've once again gone. I can't help it. All right. So he's excited to get there, but we're out of time. I will say, Jason, our defense of our Hebrew study, Hebrew writer said in Hebrews 412, the Word of God is living and active. So we're always going to be learning, and we're trying to share that with our lovely audience,

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