Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1256 | Mia Gives Jase a Family Wake-Up Call & a Much Needed Reality Check

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Jase wakes up expecting a quiet morning and instead finds himself facing a household mess that leads to an honest, awkward conversation with his daughter Mia about late-night choices and personal responsibility. Al reflects on a painful season when his marriage felt like it was on the brink. Looking back, he shares how learning to see past failure made it possible to imagine a future again, even when hope felt out of reach. The guys offer a candid look at family tension, personal growth, and how hard moments can become turning points when you’re willing to face them head-on. In this episode: 1 John 1, verses 5–10; 1 John 2, verses 1–2; John 17, verses 20–26; 1 Timothy 2, verses 3–6; Hebrews 1, verses 1–4; Hebrews 2, verses 14–18; Hebrews 4, verses 14–16; Hebrews 3, verse 14; Hebrews 11, verse 1; 1 John 4, verse 17; Psalm 2, verses 1–8; Matthew 4, verses 1–10; Romans 8, verses 1–17 “Unashamed” Episode 1256 is sponsored by: https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! https://texassuperfood.com — Get 35% off your first order with code UNASHAMED today! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. 00:00 Jase’s quiet house turns into total chaos06:08 Crawfish season, pain, and unexpected lessons10:54 When dogs refuse the “portal” to the outdoors15:42 Why light and darkness can’t live together21:18 Walking in fellowship instead of hiding in sin27:36 Jesus as our defender and mediator33:44 Confidence before God explained39:28 Why Jesus became human45:41 Living the good life by the Spirit51:10 Setting up the next Hebrews discussion — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We've been into this first John study, Jays. Yeah. It's a head scratcher. It's, uh, yeah. And I was just, I was so excited about sharing what I've been studying. But you'd look at it from my perspective, so my wife's out of town. which my grandson's having his birthday, and so she's representing the family because it's a long track to where he lives.

And I thought, well, this is good because I can study. Not that, you know, she's a distraction. She's a welcome distraction. She's my wife. But there's more time to study. Here's what I didn't plan on about day two or three of her being gone. My daughter comes rolling in.

And I thought she was in school. And my daughter, when she comes rolling in, she just has a group of people always with her. She's got an entourage. Entourage at all times. Now, they were doing some kind of retreat at a camp. They were the leaders, the college age. You know how they do these retreats.

And they were doing it for high school age people. And it was like a three or four day event. So all these people have been staying at my house. So multiple Bible studies ensued. You know, they're coming in at late night hours, and which I was, you know, that's when I study usually. So I was so excited about this because last night I couldn't even hear myself think. They had a birthday party for one of their friends.

It's like a surprise. We ate crawfish last night. They were all going to eat crawfish. I mean, it's in January. I actually thought crawfish season didn't start until February, but my daughter, she loves crawfish. So I was like, bring me some of those. So I ate my first crawfish of the year last night,

so that's always good. Were they big ones? Because usually earlier, they were big. They were awesome. And I'm still, the heat is still coming out of my pores. These are spicy crawfish. But I will say this, when you duck hunt, you know almost every day you get a lot of cuts on your hands and no matter what you do

I'll tell you this if you eat five pounds of crawfish and you peel them and that spice and it gets in those cuts it's quite the experience a lot of pain that I was on a fire last night you got to have pain to know you're alive jays so anyway finally I thought I'm not going to be to concentrate and study with all this going on so after they had their party we ate to crawlerfish you know and it's it's done got late i go to my bedroom and i do a little study and fall asleep well i woke up this morning and i walked in there and they had all you know gone to their caves and just left everything just like it was i mean there's cake on the floor they they had multiple desserts all it's just is a trash dump.

I thought, I thought I'd train my daughter better than this, but I kind of chuckled, you know, and I thought these are all Jesus-loving people. But then the catalyst for anger happened when I looked at my two little dogs. Now, people that haven't been in my house, I have a curtain slash bridge. Y'all see where I'm going with this.

And because one of my dogs that we inherited from, Mrs. Grandma, when she died, that dog was spoiled rotten because it was kind of her comfort dog at the last stages of her life. And that dog was with Mrs. Grandma, and he just pooped wherever he wanted to. He ate off her plate because she wasn't, you know, mentally she wasn't clicking on all circuits and so he just got spoiled through offering a service to the grandma and then i think as a joke since missy is not a big animal lover she basically sends the dog to us through through her will which everybody got a chuckle out of that so it's been my job the last four or five years to try to train this dog we do not poop or pee in the house where we live and i'll make

some spiritual connections here. So I got the two dogs, a little doggy door. It's the portal. You see where I'm going with this?

From the house to the wilderness. The things that are undesirable belong in the wilderness. We're getting in the first John one. If you claim to live

in the light, you don't live in darkness, that's why I had this lit up for you to see. This is where we live. It's where we sleep, where we enjoy each other's company. The bathroom is outside in the darkness where there's weeping and gnashing of tea. So I look over there on the floor, and there's about six Tutsi-Roe looking logs in the middle of the floor. You know why? Because

it was 26 degrees last night, and I realized that dog, after all this training, which I thought we had won this war, said, nope, I don't want to have that discomfort of going outside where it's cold and relieving myself and put this where it belongs. I'm just going to do it right here. And so now I'm looking, my daughter has just, you know, all her friends, they've met, and now there's, so I just grab the trash bag out of its hoaster. I just start taking all this cake and just ramming it in the garbage, you know, and I'm working my way to that. He's in there, and the dog's looking at me. I was like, hey, buddy, I grabbed the dog, rubbed his nose in his poop, you know, and said, get out of here. So he took off through the portal. The other dog, who's innocent, Hazel,

but she left behind, you know. Those dogs never came back in that, this is at 6 o'clock in the morning. And so my daughter woke up this morning and, you know, brought before I came up here. And I was like, hey, uh, notice that y'all just kind of left everything where it was last night. Your mom's not here.

I mean, what, what was the plan? And she's like, I'm so sorry. That's why I got up. I was fixed to clean it all up. I was like,

well, and kind of a, I was angry. And I told her about the dogs, you know. So we had a good laugh. She apologized and said, yeah,

we were so tired because they've been, you know, serving the Lord for three days. Yeah. But it just made, made me think of these spiritual principles. Maddie, the voice of reason, said maybe our podcast was a little deep last time. So I thought I would tell you a real life story that has applications for us about portals to heaven, walking in the light, not doing temporary things that

make us feel good when it's disruptive to everyone around. If we're going to live together, there's a certain amount of lifestyle that must be, you know, well, there's also a little spiritual lesson in there about how you, you're through intimacy and fellowship. We talk about participating in the, in the Konya. You and Missy have been married now for many years. I'm the same way to Lisa, Zach's been married to Jill for many years. Our wives have had a much bigger impact on us than.

we probably even recognize or realize because the fact that those things bothered you, Jed, there was a point in your life where you would have just walked right through there and never even thought anything about it. Well, this was pretty severe, Al. It was, if you looked at it, it looked like a bomb went off. And then when I looked at the floor where the doggies are supposed to live, and I love those two dogs, and, you know, people say, oh, I can't believe you discipline that dog. If you want to live in the house, which is, these are, these are,

inside dogs, there's only a couple of rules, and that's one of them. And I'm not giving up, but it's kind of like the Lord, which we'll see when you get to the, when you get to the end of Hebrews, which is where we're going, because we're trying to wrap our head around, Jesus being in heaven, that place on our behalf, he's merged heaven, earthlings, and heavenly being in that he's representing heaven and earth. And there's a way to function on earth because this has happened. And so, you know, I was using that as a poor illustration. But, you know, harmony is hard to come by on earth.

But you're certainly not going to do it without the Lord Jesus representing you in heaven. and that connection being a real profound fact in your life. No, I do think it's a perfect illustration from 1st John, the idea that you can't live with that the stuff that doesn't belong in your life, staying there. I mean, there has to be some difference. There has to be some change. What do light and darkness have in common?

Remember the whole concept? And then we went to Corinthians and talked about that as a lot. well. You can't, you, this, once the spirit lives in you, you're right, Jay's, it's, it will not work to try to combine the old with the new. It's just they don't go together. And so I love that concept that how it changes us. And even this concept of eternity now, I mean, I've thought a lot about this. And today we're going to talk about the, the actual representation in heaven and how that's now in us. and we live it here. And it's that idea about living in forgiveness.

You know, this concept, I said in a previous podcast that there's no advantage of sinfulness and there's not. I mean, in other words, it only brings up division and distance and doubt and things that harm us. And so any sin, we understand why John makes this whole point. He says, you know, sin is never your friend. But I will say this, the only positive thing on the other side of because, a son or daughter of the Almighty, is that once you can live in this forgiven place,

in this place where you know that Christ is present through His Holy Spirit in your life, it can be so grand and great, this living forgiveness that, I mean, you can't even hardly imagine, and why would you ever want to go back to some place from before? And I think about with Lisa and I, for 40 years, we've been married. But there was a point in town 25 years ago where it was so untenable. And so bad that I didn't think there was another, we could stay together another day. Because sin had just breached us, you know, and just all of a sudden we're just, the whole marriage is on the rocks and just will it ever, can it be saved?

In the moment, the answer was no. I mean, there's no way this can be put back together. And then God does it. And then, you know, you allow that to happen because of the power of it. And now I look back at 25 years later, I was like, man, I can't imagine not live. living this life, you know, where Christ reigns in both of you. The intimacy that comes from that. Well, that's why I gave you that illustration,

because my daughter and her friends, they were just visiting. And I lived there. Yeah, that's right. I live here. And my dogs were acting like they were just visiting. But I'm like, you know, we have a communication barrier here. But I was trying to explain to these dogs. these are the standards by which we're living.

I'm not asking for much, but I'm asking you to go poop out there, which you've done thousands of times, only when it's cold when life gets a little difficult and struggles. But isn't that representative of us? So good. But I'm like, Jesus is living here. And I think when we go back to our text,

I mean, maybe we should have read it last time, because it gets real practical after he gets real deep, he's the one that got deep trying to explain this life that we've been invited into, which is our life source. He's the creator of the universe.

And I think this one little statement, you know, I don't know where I heard it, but, you know, there's struggle with looking at Jesus becoming a man. You're like, well, why did he do this? Because most other religions, if you'll notice, they all have a theme involved. It's like an angel told some guy, a human, here's what you need to do.

And then he writes a book, it becomes a Bible, it becomes a religion. But with Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit being this love distinction, one being, distinctive in their expressions, but being a love, I don't even know how to describe it, a love. connection that expresses itself in different ways. Jesus becomes a man so that we, the humans, can become like him. That's the whole part that we're having trouble wrapping our head around. Because that's the theme of the Bible. He became one of us so we could become like him.

And this connection that he established between, you know, when we talk about heaven and earth, that's what we're talking about, God and earth, humans of earth made from the earth, the dust of the ground, becoming via the spirit and this representative human like him, connected to him in this partnership, this participation. So he describes the life in one through four and our connection to it, which is echoing his prayer in the last couple of verses of John 17. which is one of Mia's friends was asked me a question

because I was sitting there studying my Bible and she's like, you know, I study him with this guy who's in her family and he's having trouble wrapping his head around how God can be three in one and the human part. I was like, well, strange as you mentioned that, we're in First John, which is the whole book's about that. This is not an abnormal.

problem. This has been going on for at least 2,000 years because there's a whole book about that. And she's like, really? She goes to, what would you share with people who have that hang up? Because he's really hung up on that. And so I read those last couple of verses of John 17 in that prayer. And she's like, oh,

this is good. Well, she got her notebook out and got her phone and I was like, well, she's not paying attention. And I was like, oh, you need to take that? And she's like, oh, no, I'm writing this down. That's the way kids write stuff down. Well, yeah, it was like, I'm getting notes of this, because that John 17, when he said, I want to pass this love that we had before the creation of the world onto these humans.

That is my prayer. Them and us, us in them. And that's what he's discerning. So then when he gets to 1st John 1, 6, what he gets practical, because he's, or verse 5, when he says, this is the message we have heard from him and declared you in him there's no darkness God is light if we claim to have the fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness we lie and don't live by the truth all these are practical things that my silly illustration shows we we got to get the junk out of our life here if we're going to live in the presence of God as a reality if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his son purifies us or cleanses us, which is used several times in the book of Hebrews, from all sin or every sin.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he's faithful and just and will forgive us, our sins. And there's that word again, purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar, and his word is no place in our lives. So then he says this, which is what we've been exploring, the last podcast and today, my dear children, write this so that you will not sin, but if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the father in our defense. That word in our defense is that same word he used as the promised Holy Spirit in John 14 through 16,

who would walk along in us and with us. But here he's using it as part of this Godhead in Jesus, the Son, Jesus Christ the righteous one. Then he adds this. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not only for ours, but also for or... What is the? or an alternate translation from other manuscript is he is the one who turns aside God's wrath,

taking away our sins and not only ours, but also the sins of the whole world. I love that universal picture. I love that. It's so good. Well, the reason I'm reading this is you're fixed to see this again. And just before we get to Hebrews, I'll give you another example. because another term, because here that where he says in our defense, the paraclitus, another term used by biblical writers is mediator. He's our mediator. You say, what is that?

You know a good definition of that? Yeah, one who's in between. Representative, bridge. Yeah. Connects, yeah. So that's. Are you earned the First Timothy, too? I thought it was Titus two.

Is it First Timothy 2? I was just reading this. That's it. Don't wonder. I was looking in Titus and I was like, what happened to it? I was thinking Titus 2 for some reason. I literally, my Bible was literally open to 1st Timothy 2. I was exactly where I was here.

You read that. All right. And I want to start back up a little bit higher. Oh, that's it. First Timothy 2.5. Yeah. So listen to a little bit before that, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness,

godliness and holiness. Does that sound from me or to John's message? This is good and pleases God our Savior who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. Then he says in verse 5, for there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men, the testimony given in its proper time. Exactly. I mean, it is a mirror of what we're talking about. Well, it's a mirror because he says,

this is good and pleases God our Savior who wants all men to be saved. Yes, it. So it's not only for us, 1 John, but for the sins of the world. There's one God and one mediator between God and man. The man, the man, he's still a man, Christ Jesus, who gave.

himself as a ransom for all men the testimony given in its proper time so when you go to Hebrews I wanted to read those first four verses because it's a lot like 1 John 1 3 4 and John 1 1 1 and verse 14 in the beginning was the word and words with God and the word was God the word became flesh that which we've seen from the beginning well then Hebrews boy this is this is heavy Maddie this is heavy it's a warning you might already put a warning

this is heavy heavy put a warning up Hebrews 1 1 1 in the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days

he's spoken to us by his son whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the universe. The sun, and like if you look at the original Greek here, it's just like sun, the, these not there, it's just sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things.

things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven, which is 1st John 2. It echoes that. He's, that's where he's at. And then he's going to focus, and we're going to show you, about him enter in heaven itself. But before that happens, these words, radiance and representation, this is. This is going to focus, This is the only times they're used in the Greek in the New Testament. And it's this idea that he is God because it's the shining. The sun is, and really a good illustration for this is when you think S-U-N-S-U-N, sun. Well, the sun shines.

So Jesus is this expression. He's the radiance of God's glory. He is the son, S-U-N, but he's also the shining in a different form, which he became a human, and that's how God is community-caught. But what he's not is he's not the father. That's a key distinction. He's the radiance. Yes, so when you get into passages like this, this is one of the,

like a very trinitarian passage. It's why you have to reject any understanding of God that would reduce God to one person that shows up in different forms. That's not what the Bible teaches at all. That's not Christianity. That's not it. It's God as three persons and one being.

I think why people have a hard time understanding that is because we conflate the two terms. And so if you were to say, the god is three persons in one person and people are like that that contradicts itself that doesn't make sense that's a fair argument and that's a fair point of view

but that's not what the teaching is you have to distinguish between what is a being and what is a person a being is what something is and person is who someone is and so that's the distinction so you have three persons in one being

so the son is not the father or the Spirit, the Father's not the Spirit of the Son, and the Spirit's not the Father or the Son, but all three of them are fully God, not parts of God, fully God, full being, the full being of what God is and who He is, is Father, Son, Spirit. And so when you start to start thinking about that,

if you have a hard time understanding it, that's why I think First John is the place I would go to first and foremost, because of what he's going to say later in chapter four that God, it says it twice, God is love. And so he starts to think about the concept of love. Well, what does that mean? Well, love, there has to be a lover and there has to be one that's loved. And then there's love between them. It's a relationship. It's a communion. And God is a holy communion so that John 17 prayer, why do you think the prayer is that we would be integrated into the communion of who God is? because that's who God is.

That is the very essence of his being. And that's why the prize is life. It's life in him because he is life. Even Jay's to your point about, Zach just mentioned love, but even this point about light and sun, because in the last podcast, we talked a lot about water and blood and their relationship to living.

But you also have to have sunlight for life on earth. You can't grow. the things we talked about, the growth and, you know, the olive branch and all this stuff, you can't have that without light. I mean, and so the sun is that life giving for it. You know, we're taking that course on C.S. Lewis for Unashamed with Hillsdale on Fridays, and his conversion experience, which we're going to talk about this in those episodes, but I found it to be profound that what moved C.S. Lewis into a relationship with Christ was that he would basically walk this pathway around Oxford,

and there was this garden that was like in a circle, and it was just a circle path. And so as you would walk that with Tolkien and a guy named Hugo Dyson, they would pontificate on all these deep theological things about who God is. And obviously, C.S. Lewis was one of the most intelligent Christians that ever lived, and what he wrote was incredible.

He was super introspective and always kind of thinking about these deep matters. but one thing is they encourage him. He said, you need to just chill out for a minute on all the deep theology and just enjoy God, just like rest in the story of who he is and the story of Christianity. And that was what grabbed C.S. Louis's heart, and it's what enabled him to put his faith in Christ. And the way he described it and surprised by joy is that it was almost like an escape from the circular nature of his own existence, meaning he's just in this circle. He can't get out of it. That's the thing about God. God is an overflowing fountain. It's not, it's not circular in reasoning. God, in his very essence,

is vibrant life flowing out and spilling out into more life because he is a fountain of love. That's what love is. True love is not two people so focused on each other that exclude the rest of the world. True love is two people coming together, two persons come together and spilling out into more life. So that is what the very nature of who God is, father, son, and spirit. And so that's why that triune nature is so beautiful and so important. And he is, it's actually the answer to all of our questions and longings. He is. So then in Hebrews 1, the point, obviously, is when he says that he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven after he provided purification for sins.

But he's going to explore that as we go through here. But then verse four says, so he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs, which is the reason I brought up about these other religions who had a conversation with an angel and then started whatever, you know, religion that it is. with the God of the Bible, it's bigger than that.

He's superior to these angelic beings, because some of these angelic beings who did not keep their place, they started being disruptive to humans. So I want to bring that up. But then in verse 5, he says, for which to the angels did God ever say, you are my son, today I've become your father, to your point, Zach.

Or again, I'll be his father and who will be my son. And again, when God brings his first born into the world, he says, let all God's angels worship him. And then he quotes Psalm 2, which is why I wanted to read this. Speaking of the angels, he says, he makes his angels, his servants, flames of fire. But about the sun, he says, your throne, O God, will last forever and ever. There's that life that's forever and ever. and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved, righteousness, and hated wickedness,

therefore God your God has set. You above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. Anointing comes up again. So I want to read this Psalm 2, just a few verses. Verse 1, why do the nations conspire in all the people's plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed one. There's Jesus.

You said, well, when was he anointed? We talked about that on the last podcast. Let us break their chains, they say. Verse four, the one, in throne in heaven, laughs. The Lord scoffs at them. Then he speaks, then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his rest, saying, verse 6 of Psalm 2. I have installed my king on Zion, my holy hill.

You said, now what? Well, isn't that a place in Jerusalem? Why is he bringing that up? And you'll see this in Hebrews when you get to chapter 12, which we're headed there, that he turns this into a heavenly thing because this portal has been open. And the earthly Jerusalem becomes a heavenly. Jerusalem, the city of the living God, a spirit-filled people. Take my word

for it. We're going to show it to you. So then in verse 7, he says, I will proclaim the decree of the Lord, and this is what he quotes in Hebrews 1. He said to me, you are my son, today, I have become your father. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth, your possession.

So you see this heaven and earth concept being introduced by Jesus sitting at the right hand of God, king of kings. And so then he gets to chapter two, and he talks about why he became a human, which is the point John is making in First John. I don't know what we should read here to show that. Probably 14.

Verse 14 probably would cover what you're making. Since the children, verse 14, since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity. And this is this concept of God becoming a man so that man can become like him. And what did that entail? Well, the first thing he brings up

is these spiritual angelic forces that were against him because he says, so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death, and which is a power that we gave him as humans by not trusting God. Think back to the garden.

you want to have your own set of knowledge and rules and experiences rather than trust God. James 113 dragged away by our own temptation. You can make every excuse in the world, but it comes down to self-seeking people saying, nope, I want what I want, and I want to do it now, and we're doing thousands of tens of thousands of sins every day, saying, I want to be me. I want to be God.

so he might destroy him and hold the power of death that is the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. So then he gets to verse 17. For this reason, he had to be made like his brothers in every way. That's becoming a human. In order that he might become a merciful and high priest in service to God. Now watch this. And that he might make atonement for the sins

of the people because he himself suffered when he's tempted he is able to help those who are being tempted that's why he's at the right hand of God now it didn't just end at the cross he's moving this into heaven itself

because watch how this works if you go to chapter 4 in verse 14 therefore since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens that's why I said we've moved from the Hebrew writer's perspective into him being presented in the heavens or gone into heaven is an alternate way of deciphering that Jesus the son of God let us hold firmly to the faith we profess

for we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin. Which just rings true of the first John, too. I write this so that you won't sin. We have one who speaks on our defense. Jesus Christ's the righteous one.

Not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world. You're like, what's the difference in there? Those who surrender to Jesus. It's available. So then, verse 16, this is a big idea. Yeah, it's some money. That's money, verse. Let us then.

Now here's the, here's a word, draw near or approach the throne of grace with confidence so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. So that's what he's describing in 1st John too. where the grace is being poured out in his throne where he is sitting at the right hand of God. This is part of the purification and atonement process, according to the Hebrew writer. Well, that's the reason why you can approach that. Think about the confidence factor. How often do you not feel confident to approach anything associated with God's presence a lot? And that is the problem, if you think back to the beginning.

I mean, the very, very, very beginning of time, and particularly of humanity, when they sinned the very first time, one of the casualties of the sin was their confidence to be in the presence of God. That's why they ran and they hid. I mean, this is such an important factor because, you know, when you think about atonement and how God's operating in this whole economy, like the first thing that happened is they ran and hid. So that is a huge part of the problem is that sin, by its very nature, it causes you to distrust in the life-giving presence of God. So what you do when you actually engage in it is you withdraw and you hide from God. You hide yourself.

You cover up with whatever our version of the fig leaf is. And then God came looking and pursued them and said, what have you done? Did you eat the tree that I told you not to eat up? And then, of course, then the whole thing starts. But the lack of confidence to enter into the presence of God to be in communion with Him, going back to his very nature, that is the problem. Because if you look inside the Godhead, you say, well, is there any lack of confidence for the son to enter into communion with the Father? No lack of confidence whatsoever.

Not that he doesn't do it. It's not that the son is choosing not to have, you know, choosing this kind. Their very nature, it's impossible for them to hurt each other. It's impossible for them to use one another. So the very nature of their being is it's impossible for them to not have complete 100% unadulterated confidence to be in a relationship and communion with one another. When we sin, then all of a sudden the casualty is, first casualty is, uh-oh, there goes my confidence. So when you read the book of Hebrews, it's so beautiful. because the whole point is,

well, how am I going to get my confidence back? Well, the way you get the back is not by looking at yourself and saying, man, I finally mustered up the enough strength. I finally bootstrap my righteousness up. I finally gathered enough sacrifices that I could go up to God, this holy God, and say, here's my bucket of sacrifices, let me in now. Because whatever you bring to him, trust me,

you're going to lack the confidence when you see what it is. It's going to look like filthy rags. The reason why you can actually enter into his presence now is because now Jesus is the one who provides the atoning sacrifice as the high priest offering himself perfected in his suffering. He is the one going behind that curtain, that Yom Kippur, that day of atonement. It's made by Christ now. So my confidence isn't in me? My confidence is in the king of kings who goes in on my behalf.

And Zai, Jesus is the only one because the Hebrew writer makes the point by talking about Moses, you know, in three and four. But it's interesting. You remember when Moses went up on the mountain, he was gone for 40 days and he was having this commune with God. And what did the people do? Immediately they went back to their old ways. They took all the stuff that he had plundered for them out of Egypt, turned it into a golden calf, and then started worshiping it. I mean, that's how, that's why there's no other mediator that will work. Even Moses, who was a great man, who was up there having a commune with God was not enough. It took more.

Not enough, as they say, yeah. Not enough. Look, I want to give what you just said some scriptural foundation. Are you ready for this? We might need another warning label, Maddie. This is a warning label. This is so mind-bending that your head's liable to explode. You ready?

Y'all want to have a Bible study? Let's have a Bible study. But Zach just said, you're going to find this fascinating. And look, I didn't know this before. I just, when Zach made his little speech about the being versus the persons in Hebrews 1-3, I looked up this word for being in Hebrews 1-3. The sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being. So I looked that word up, being.

well it's only used five times but it's used here Hebrews 1 3 it's used two other places by Paul in 2nd Corinthians 9 4 2nd 1 11 17 is translated confidence

I was like wait what then Zach started talking about confidence but it's also used two other times in Hebrews 314 which I'm going to read so here's Jesus is the exact representation of his nature, of his being.

So the other time the word is used is Hebrews 3.14, listen what it says. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. That word confidence is the same word used when it says the sun is the radiance of the God's glory and the exact representation of his being. Well, guess where the other time is used? Hebrews 111. You're like, what? Faith is being sure of what we hope for

and certain of what we do not see. So it's the things that we're hope for. So sure, being sure. Now, I'm not very smart, but somehow another, Jesus has included, included us in him and having this confidence of the nature of God. That's how strong that word was usually. You would never know that if you just didn't look it up.

So I immediately thought, well, 1 John 4 talks about confidence. But it's a different Greek word. But I still want to read it because it's the same concept. When you fast forward to 1st John 417, It says in this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment. Because in this world we are like him. It's not the same word. But you know what that word means, Zach?

The confidence in 1st John 417. Frankness, bluntness, no shame, going public, all out spokenness. You can stand before God on the day of judgment and have that attitude because of what you are participating in Jesus. You're participating in his nature. He's welcomed us in because he's at the right hand of God. I just found that fascinating. It just blew my mind there. That's what he's involving us into.

And the word that's coming up is this confidence, like you said. So I don't know if you had actually ever seen that before. I'd never seen it until this. That was an in-time Greek lexicon study of that word. He uses it once as Jesus, and then the other times of our faith in that, which is incredible in my opinion. That's so good.

As Zach was pontificating, as you were then finding the word illustration. Well, he was making my head hurt talking about what that being was and the three persons, and I'm not sure what he said it sounded right. But it is hard, because what you're trying to do is, you know, you get into these, I mean, on the one level, they're very, it's a very complex doctrine, doctrine of the Trinity. And the church has certainly argued over it in the early stages, right? And there were councils that met.

That's why these books were written. Yeah. But, Zach, I think that's why we had trouble wrapping our head around First John, because he's like, well, in him there's no sin. And you're like, oh, go, well, I just sin. About an hour ago. What happened to this right hand of God, portal stuff? You know, there's no sense. I mean, and so I think that's why John is trying to say,

where we're connected to, and he described it as the throne of grace, even our faith of being sure and confident that we're in his nature, let your mind meditate on what this purification is about. He, the first step of it was he lived a sinless life because you have that all over the place. You know, Hebrew's four, we just read it. In him was no sin, but he was tempted to every way, so he's able to help those who are weak.

So we can approach the throne of grace with what? Confidence. But that's very difficult for us to do. And I think that's what there's zero and in on. This is just a fact. God is so good that he came down here and pulled. this off for you so that you can be like him. Deal with it.

Do it every day, every hour, every minute. I mean, these are the thoughts. And the question is, why? Why be like him? Well, because that is the good life. That's the part we miss that on because you think, well, if you can have some version of like the gospel that's like, you get out of hell free card, then it's like, yeah, okay, well, Christ, it's grace,

grace, grace. And we just talk about grace all the time as such this wonderful thing that my, there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. That is in the Bible, but you've got to read the rest of Romans 8. Because the rest of Romans 8 is about life by the spirit, and we put the death, the misdeeds of the body. Why? Because we're not living under a spirit of fear or timidity.

We are under a spirit of sonship, and by him we cry Abba Father. So what's the point there? The whole point is not just that we're not kind of guilty. Yes, that's part of it. But the point is that we're becoming like Christ. as we're led by his spirit, which means that we're actually living in the good life. This is the good life right here. And it debunks all this thing because he starts talking about commands, you know, in verse

John 2, 3, and 4, which he explained this to his disciples. I have a new command. Why is he calling it new, which we're going to see this in Hebrews? He's a mediator of a new covenant. He starts talking about love, which is the same thing first John is talking about. But he sums that up by saying, walk as Jesus did. And then I just read in 1st John 4th. We have confidence.

Why? Because in this world, the earthly world, we are like him. You're like, well, how am I going to do that? Well, we're connected to him through his spirit, the same spirit that was hovering over the waters. We are now connected to Jesus. And you're like, yeah, but I have these sins. He's like, he's speaking on. your defense every minute. He's doing the talking for you in heaven. You do the talcum for him

on earth. That's the connection. And your confidence will grow because this is a reality in your life. And he really does simplify it for us, Jay's because when you look back at Matthew 4, when he went through some of those direct temptations by the evil one, he gives you a clear pathway on how we deal with that. You know, remember he said man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that God speaks. So in other words, it's not driven by earthly passion. Then he says, we don't test God because he is above all testing. His plan is always right. And then he says, you don't hold hands with the evil one. You can't serve two masters, only one. So, I mean, it's very clear our pathway to dealing with even the day to day. And you're right. It's because

he has done it. That's what gives you. it to us. Oh, no. We're out of time. We're out of time. We didn't finish the Hebrew. We got to go chapter six, chapter seven, chapter nine, and chapter 10, and then chapter 12. Well, luckily for our audience, we're going to be getting together again a couple of days. And so we will continue this study. I love it because we're like resources that are in the stalls. We're just we're running and we're ready to run some more. So we'll do that next time. I'm an Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.

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