Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1257 | Solving the Mystery of Melchizedek: Why This Stranger Matters More Than You Think

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Jase opens up about late-season duck hunting, exhaustion, and a call he wishes he could take back, owning a miss that came from pushing himself too far. Phil’s old-school wisdom and the legendary ham bribe prove  lessons that still hold up when put to the test. The guys turn to why confidence and self-help can only take you so far when it comes to real change. Plus, Jase discovers Napoleon Dynamite about 25 years too late! In this episode: Genesis 14, verses 18–24; Genesis 4, verse 10; Psalm 110, verses 1–4; Hebrews 1, verses 1–4; Hebrews 6, verse 19; Hebrews 7, verses 15–28; Hebrews 9, verses 11–14; verses 21–24; Hebrews 10, verses 19–22; Hebrews 12, verses 22–24; 1 John 1, verse 9; 1 John 2, verses 1–2; 1 John 3, verses 11–18; Romans 8, verse 11; 2 Corinthians 5, verse 1 “Unashamed” Episode 1257 is sponsored by: https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al lost 80+ pounds. Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900 and mention "FIX MY WEIGHT LOSS. https://cozyearth.com/unashamed — Take advantage of an exclusive deal only available January 25th- February 8th with code UNASHAMEDBOGO!  https://meetfabric.com/unashamed — Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00 – Duck season burnout, sleep deprivation, and bad decision fatigue 05:48 – Phil could be bribed by ham 08:49 – Jase demonstrates the duck call Phil invented  16:55 – Jewish history reveals the salvation of all people 22:14 – Who is Melchizedek? Who’s Napoleon Dynamite? 32:06 – Why people chase indestructible heroes but miss real strength 38:42 – Confidence, conscience, and why self-help can’t carry the weight 46:02 – Justice vs forgiveness and what kind of life actually lasts — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We are heavy in our study in First John. We're deep. Deep into the words. We've gone deep. But we've taken some timeouts to try to make this practical. Yeah. From time to time. But it's also duck season. and we're getting toward the end of duck season which means I'm sleeping deprived I'm

sometimes Zach and I worry about your state of mind during these late weeks of duck season he brags about getting up early but that he often leads out the fact that he takes a four-hour nap every day I only take four-hour naps when my wife goes out of town because then there's nobody to wait me up

When you get out of duck season, do you take four-hour naps or do you get back to the... Only in duck season. I take a one-hour nap. I get about five to seven hours a night, and then I take a one-hour nap. So now I feel like we're getting to know each other today. Getting to know you. So I had this, you know, it's duck season turns into, especially when you have low water like we do this year. It's like a shell game.

you're trying to figure out where to go, when to go, because you've got multiple places, and you spend a lot of time thinking about these things. And so today, I zigged when I should have zagged. Because in our time, we did podcasts yesterday. Now, that means nothing to people who are listening to my voice because they're throwing these podcasts out at various times and places. So don't get all wigged out that, you know, oh, this, this, I thought last week he was over there.

Well, probably so, you know. In the unashamed world, what he's saying is audiences, the time continuity means nothing. It means nothing. We're in a portal now, now. See how I segwayed that? Nice segue, there's a, because time stands still when it's not live. You can then insert it back in time. kind of like Jesus's death, bell, and resurrection, it goes backwards, forwards, and forevermore,

which is what I got distracted reading this text, because at some point we were making this connection. What does it mean that we have one speaking in our defense at the right hand of God, Jesus Christ, the righteous one? So we went back to Hebrews and we started looking because that seems to, emphasize what Jesus is doing at the right hand of God. And it kind of frames it around as like he's our sin offering, not only on the cross, but in the presence of God as a human, as a perfect human who died for the sins of all the other humans

to make this access possible. Did I accurately depict that? Yeah, I think so. So this is concrete. What I was making the illustration about the duck season. My point was I went yesterday before

podcast and we shot 12 ducks but they were quality mallards and teal. So I was fired up and after the podcast, well I went back. Well guess what? Zero. Nothing came.

So old Burley is in town. Longtime friend. I worked with Burley when I was in my early 20s when he first came to the Lord. And his dad and my dad were friends. And his dad famously got a place in the blind with my dad because for 14 days in a row, he brought a ham, a whole ham, entire ham, to my dad's door.

And my dad, he would see that because he came bringing gifts. and my dad, the first time he did it, he said, so I guess you want to go duck hunting with me? And he was like, yes, sir. But he had that ham. And my dad said, you know what? You're in. Now, the funny part of that story is so then the next day he woke up

and brought another ham and got in the duck blind. But after two weeks of this, he came up. He's like, well, you have another ham. And my dad said, hey, you can hunt with me, but let's get off the ham. I mean, because I mean, a ham, a whole ham, you can't eat a whole ham. Well, no, the hams were being eaten. Look, we had a big family base.

Well, and the blind's full, and you're sitting there. Back then, we hunted all day. So, y'all ate the whole ham. You're eating a ham a day. A ham a day. But after two weeks of it, you kind of like, you should have. Let's get off the ham. I just said, get off the ham and we want roast beef tomorrow.

I think I'm making this story up. But that was true. No, it is true. It reminds me of the verse back in Exodus when the people were complaining because they only got manna. They were like, oh, if we were still in Egypt, we could eat some meat. And God said, okay, I'm going to send you some quail. And I'm going to send you so many that's going to come out of your nostrils. That was the way that it was frayed.

This is a ham nostrils. So fast forward to today, now both our dads have gone on to be with the Lord. And so Burley, he's like. well you mind if I go hunting tomorrow because now he's down there he lives in Colorado but he's down there man I said I can't some property I said I can't yeah I said I can't go tomorrow because if I keep doing this I will I'm just going to pass out I mean when you think about it if you go hunting before podcast then go hunting until dark and then try to repeat that well you're just warning

out. I mean, there's too much going on. The brain only has so much bandwidth. And I was thinking, here was my logic. We did not fire our guns when I went back that evening. I was like, they're gone. So here's what my thinking was. I said, yep, you can go hunting,

but you have to hunt this spot. And he's like, oh, okay, great. You know, we shot 12 duck. Because I was thinking, well, we just hunted four hours in the afternoon and there's nothing here. So, Guess what happens this morning? I didn't go.

I slept. Got me some rest. Oh, yeah. Him and his nephew, full limits of mallards and gadwals. I'm like, wait, what? What just happened here?

So sometimes the last thing you think would work. That's why I said it's like a shell game. Yeah. Is what you should do? You're like, we have no hope right here. But that was his only seat. And guess what? New ducks appeared.

So I got slicked. I slicked myself. James, me not be in there, but me being a lifetime observant of Burley, me being a lifetime observant of Burley and his hunting acumen, for them to get full limits, unless the nephew really knows something,

or is a savant? No, no. I thought the same thing. So he's telling me this. And I was like, it's not that I don't. believe you, but I'm going to need to see it. So he...

Proof of death. He fired the picture, and I thought, okay, this is too many to fly by and have a heart attack right in his decoys. So somehow, a guy and his nephew not known for their shooting ability or their calling. Now, I will say this. So Burley, we have a Mallard-Drake call that my dad invented that's... probably one of the greatest selling calls in the history of the world. Burley is the greatest Mallard Drake caller in the world, in my opinion.

He has a deep voice. And I'm at Duck Commander. I don't see a Mallor Drake. I would give you an illustration. No, those are all hen calls. Oh, no, we have one. Look, breaking news. I see one.

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So if you want to understand why your body isn't cooperating, I want you to call PhD Weight Loss Now and mention Fix My Weight Loss to unlock our New Year's special. You book your consultation. It's free. It's personalized and it could explain everything. Call 864-644-1900 and say, fix my weight loss. That's 864-644-900 or visit my PhD weightloss.com. Tell them that Al sent you. Okay. So this will be fun. So my dad invented this. And all it is, this invention is pretty cool, is a whistle. If you just blow air into it, it sounds just like your, a green wing teal drake that's a green wing tail drake but if you put your hand over the end of the

call and you hum a low bass note oh and put this in your lips watch what happens and then you just sound like a drake it is a milder drake and you can sound like a few of them like happy there so burleigh has perfected this and what's funny about this when we started selling this well some guys are tenors so you know Al I mean if they're talking like this hey man what's going on well when they him and Richard Anderson yeah when they hum a low base note it's like that's as low as they can go so then they buy one and they go and there's a tree frog that would be Zach can go out about and the tree frogs it will excite trees. tree frogs and you can have a conversation of tree frogs if you're into that.

But so there's, that was a funny thing because you can't change your voice. So they'd call in. They were like, I just can't get this thing to sound right. And my dad would be like, well, you need to find somebody with a low voice to do this. Got to get a bear tone or a bad. I'm a pretty good. I'm pretty good on a Drake call because I got a pretty deep voice as well. So I asked.

Burley's the best, though. You're right. But so he said he blew the Drake call, and I was like, well, then I've seen his shooting for 30 years. I'm like, how is it possible? And I said, Barley, I have a question for you. He said, what's that? I said, because then I called him. I said, did these ducks light in the decoys, and y'all shot them on the water?

He went, yep. So then it all made sense, but it told me then that it was new ducks. So isn't that funny that two guys go out there, hunt a place we hunted the day before there's no ducks, new ducks came down, all they did was just that little Drake call. And now I put the decoy spread out because we left it. I left the spread.

I'm taking partial credit for that. And those ducks just came right down in their decoys and lit. And they shot them. And now they're going to have duck for supper. So I think that's a great good story. Well, you mentioned dear old dad. that was why he always wanted to be in the blind during duck season as much as possible because you never know. That is the key phrase.

When he told me that story, and look, I'm the type of person at this stage of my duck hunting career, I was really happy for them. I thought that is really, he got his nephew there. They had a wonderful hunt, and I would have never gone there because those, four hours yesterday said we need to get out of here but I didn't factor in new ducks new ducs never know so Al the verse I was a mystified about when we were going through Hebrews and I think if you remember we went through I think we went through Hebrews chapter one one through four we actually did a whole series of podcasts on Hebrews somewhere out there

yeah we got to the last one in at least in my notes was four fourth these 14th through 16. We went through that, which is very powerful that we may approach the throne of grace with confidence. Yeah. And so we talked about as humanity. So when you get to, what was the next one in line? 619 is what I have. Okay. So I was, well, that's perfect. That's, that's where I was headed. The one in chapter seven is the one I was going to point out. And just remember, we're trying to wrap our heads around 1 John 2 1 and 2 so 619

says we have this hope now this is in the context remember when he says there's two impossible things or two let me start over there's two unchangeable things in which it is impossible

for God to lie and then he never says what the other thing is like directly which I think We talked about this when we went through Hebrews, but his nature doesn't change. And so then it says, we have this hope, so God, he's faithful. We can trust him. He can't lie.

His plan is what it is. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. But watch why he gives the reason for this hope, wherein we know that whatever God says, is true. He can't lie and it's going to happen. It says, it enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. Whoa.

That's a huge statement. That's temple language. It's temple language. So we did this whole thing about Jacob and anointing the place. where this encounter with God, the presence of God, but you also see high priests encountering the presence of God in the tabernacle. We have this little mobile heaven and earth portal.

And so now he's taking what happened in Jewish history and making that a reality available to all, 1st John 2, 1 and 2, not only for our sin, but it's available for everyone, and he's using that language, this curtain between heaven and earth, humans and God, and it's now been given to us through Jesus for our behalf. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting when you think about that. I mean, the images that pop up in my mind are the construction of the tabernacle.

I mean, I'm thinking about, because I preached on this at our church, and actually went through all of those details. It's pretty, it's not laborious if you actually know what you're reading, but it seems laborious as you're reading the details of the construction of the tabernacle, which was, you know, again, that was the mobile temple that Solomon later built with a permanent structure called the temple. But that idea that, and I actually showed a model on our screen of what that would look like. So it was like a big yard.

You got a big yard and it's fenced in like a fence and you go in and they have different sections in there. And then there's like a tent inside there, the tent, which was the tabernacle. So you go through, you walk into the tent. So you get your outer courtyard. Then you get into the tent. When you walk in the tent, what you have is the holy place. And you've got, I believe you had on the left, I think, I'm trying to remember. I think you have the lamp stand, and on the right you have the table of the bread,

and then right at the back towards the curtain, you have the altar of incense. And so the priest, he goes in and he makes the sacrifices and he does all the applications, and then he does the incense altar where it burns up to God. Then he goes back into the next section of the tent, which is behind that curtain. And so that's what he's talking about here in Hebrew 6. Behind that curtain, that's where the whole. of holies is that's that's where it's at that's where god's presence is at and so he goes in there and that's the ark of the covenant is inside there with the mercy seat on top of it and you get to

two share of them guarding it which is we've said this on the podcast before which is a picture of the tree of life and so that's where that's happening so when you're you're reading that i'm thinking about that but you got to keep in mind that all of that happened with moses there was a there was biblical history before Moses, right? You had Abraham was before Moses. And Abraham ran into a priest whose name was Malkesedek. And Abraham actually tithed to Malkazadex. So let's get into that. Let's get into that because then he, when he goes to chapter 7, just hang on right there because that was a good lead in and then you can continue. So when he gets to Malkazadec, he said, because Jesus, that's where 620, that's where that goes.

It says where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest. Here's a key word, forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the order of Melchazadex, you're like, well, who in the world is Malkazadegh. That would, wouldn't that be a great thing just to go street, preach, and just go and say, who is Malkazade? So I'm telling you right now, one of the things I cherish most in this life, And I'm not kidding when I tell you this is good sheets and good blankets and good pajamas.

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Who is Melchazza? Well, he's a strange figure in the Bible because there's not. not a whole lot written about him. I mean, but he's like this key figure, but you're like, that's it. And it's like two verses. It's like, any more detail? You're talking about a shirt. That's a T-shirt.

You're talking about a conversation starter? Yeah. Who is Melchazadegh. Because people are like, who is Melchazadegh. Because I like the idea because it would get people, it's going to lead to the guy who came in the order of Melchazadeghans. which is a guy named Jesus who claimed to be both God and man. It would, Jay's, it would be our version of 6-7.

You know, all the kids got this 6-7 thing on the internet, which means nothing, by the way. But it's everywhere. What if we could get everywhere with who is Melchized? Yeah, I never figured out what the 6-7 was talking about. It doesn't mean anything. But it reminded me of when they wore the shirt to Who is Pedro? You know? No, no, no, not who is Pedro.

Vote for Pedro. Vote for Pedro. The vote for Pedro. You didn't know what it was until you watched the movie. He didn't know who it was after watching. I still don't know who it is. You miss that cultural moment. I missed the cultural moment, but I thought.

I was thinking, who is Pedro? They're like, vote for Pedro. I was like, well, who is Pedro? But it got me. I don't know anybody. So, you know. You got to start with a polioid dynamite. and then we got to read

See, I'm always scared to like do an internet search over things I don't know You would like the film Because you like Notcho Don't you like Nacho Libre? I love that movie? No, no, I love that one.

Yeah. If you like Nacho Libre, I feel like if you liked Nacho Libre, I feel like a direct descendant. Yeah, I liked it for what it was. It was a spooky, it was clean shot.

We grew up. We grew up loving wrestling, so that tapped into something with us. I think once you buy into this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever watched, you'll find it funny. Napoleon Dynamites more ridiculous, I think, than Nacher Libre. So it's a little – I know who Napoleon Dynamite is since them because some of my kids, through the years, you know, they did the – what do you call them, the little gift meme things. Yeah. You know, and the guy, he did the dance, which I thought was pretty funny.

I actually did my version of that at some point. I did a Napoleon dynamite dance. But I never made the connection that that had something to do with Pedro. So this is back to next. Pedro is a character in the movie. Well, that makes more sense now. Okay. Yeah.

Back to Marquesa. So, Malchazadegh, but here's the difference. So then verse 15. of chapter seven. Now we're skipping through this just for time. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchazadec appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis

of a regulation or to his ancestry. So Jesus and Melchazadec had some similarities there with their ancestry being a little bit not from a place unknown yeah yeah or not reputable right or or established

but it says not not on the basis of that here this verse is fire but on the basis talking about Jesus of the power of an indestructible life

I mean the first time I read that I thought this is this is who I'm following. You know why I'm following him? He's indestructible. He has an indestructible life, which goes in with how John started in 1st John 1, 1 through 4. This life of life, the word of life, he's indestructible. That's a word we only fantasize about in all Hollywood, you know, all these movies where these people are indestructible. Oh, it just makes me sick. You have a historical document of a person, evidence overwhelming, who was on the planet,

who's indestructible. I'm like, you can participate in this. Come on. Enough for your Spider-Man and Superman. There's you another T-shirt, though. What if on the front of your T-shirt, it said, I'm living the indestructible life. Because in essence, that's what this text is saying, right? Yeah, I'm getting sidetrack.

So then he goes on to the point. So he gets down to verse 22, chapter 7. Well, I want to get into Psalm 110. So he quotes that. We have to read Psalm 110. So it says, and verse 20, and it was not without an oath. And this goes back to these unchangeable things about God. He can't lie.

He tells you, promise it's going to happen. But he became a priest with an oath when God said to him, the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind. So there's your two things that are unchangeable. When God says something, he's not going to change his mind about it. You are a priest forever. Well, that's a quote from Psalm 110. And you're like, what does this have to do with 1 John 2?1.

Everything. Psalm 110 says, The Lord says to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. That's how the Psalm starts. Who's the person that sitting at the right hand? That's where we started Hebrews 1. What's he doing that?

Yeah. But watch what Psalm 110. It's a short Psalm I want to read it. The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion. This Zion keeps coming up, and you'll see why. when we get to the end of Hebrews. You will rule in the midst of your enemies. Well, that sounds like what's going on now.

Jesus is king of kings at the right hand of God, and he's ruling until he makes his enemies his footstool. Your troops will be willing on your day of battle, arrayed in holy majesty. From the womb of the dawn, you will receive the due of your youth. or some there's a the different translation there is your young men will come to you like the do the lord has sworn and will not change his mind you are a priest forever in the order of melchizedek so

now how david knew this song i mean i knew this story and then the hebrew writer taps into it it's it's the holy spirit of god putting this all together for us well i mean malchazadec is a key figure in the bible but to the point we said earlier not not written about him but listen to this because if you think about what have we been talking about on this podcast for a long time it's the idea that jesus gave us in his in his prayer when he said that i will be done on earth as it is in heaven so if you think about like for us what does it mean we've really emphasized the connection of heaven and earth so when you go back to mccasnick how he fits into this whole story go back to Genesis 14.

I wanted to read a few of these verses. It's only about five verses, but Abraham had just, or Abram at this point, he hadn't become Abraham yet. He's Abram. And he has a battle. He wins the battle. He comes back and then this Makhazadec shows up in verse 18 of Genesis 14. And Malkesedek, who was the king of Salem, which was probably Jerusalem,

He brought out bread and wine. He was a priest of God Most High. So he prefigures Christ, obviously, but that's one distinction that He holds that Christ will also embody, which he's a priest and a king. And the Hebrew writer points this out. He was a priest of the God Most High, and he blessed him and said,

let's say to the blessing, Blessed be Abram by God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth. And bless be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies in your hands. And Abram gave him a tenth of everything. So whoever this figure is, Abram is tithing to him. And the King of Sodom said to Abram, Give me the persons, but take the goods for yourself.

But Abrams said to the King of Sodom, I have lifted my hand to the Lord God Most High Possessor of heaven and earth, that I would not take a thread or a sandal strap or anything that is yours, less you should say, I have made Abram rich. I will take nothing but what the young men have eaten and share of the men who went with me. And it kind of ends there. But, I mean, that's really all there is in scripture about this guy, this declaration and the blessing of the God who is God of heaven and earth. And he gives this blessing to Abraham.

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It says, the Lord is at your right hand. He will crush King. on the day of his wrath, Revelation 1-5 says that same thing. He's the ruler of the kings of the earth. I'm not sure why we're not talking about this. He's ruling in the midst of his enemies. And guess what? What should just happen in Genesis?

That's what happened in Genesis 14 before Abraham has this encounter with Malkazard that he had just defeated kings, other kings. And this goes back to this priest and king, them being anointed. Remember we went through the whole anointing thing. Somebody asked me the other day, why do you call yourself a Christian? And, of course, I was like, well, I follow Jesus.

He is the Christ. It's not his name. That's a title. It's not, I think it's used. Like most people, when they hear the word Jesus Christ, you only hear that in the world when someone's using it as a... Explative. Yeah, expletive.

They're like, well, that's his last name. It's, no, that's a, the Christ is a title, meaning the anointed one. Yeah, the Messiah. Yeah, and so that's the rabbit hole I went down, because they were like, no, that words just, you know, that didn't come till wherever the first time where they were called Christians. Yeah, in Antioch.

In Antioch. I was like, but, well, what is Christians? I was like, well, we're the anointed ones. Like, what? There's like, well, how are you anointed? I said, well, the Holy Spirit member, how was Jesus anointed? This was the conversation, which it was an interesting debate.

They had a problem with something I was saying, and I wasn't sure what it was. But after this was over, guess what it was? Crickets. Because I thought, this is what the Bible says. We have the same spirit of him who raised him from the dead, Romans 8, 11. Now, however you want to use it, fine. We're not, you know, an anointing culture now, but they, were they would put oil on people's heads and it was a designation of trusting in god and those kind of

things and these priests and kings speaking on behalf for the people in the presence of god so it makes this more sense when you read first john seeing how we've now been included in that we're sharing this this spirit this unity in the spirit so verse five says lord is your right hand he will crush kings on the day of his wrath, he will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth. If they don't put their trust in Jesus, which it's available for even them. This is not going to end well for them. And I think even the world doesn't have a good argument outside of Jesus how to extend life or find true meaning in life. But then it says, the one who grants succession will set him in authority. Therefore, he will,

lift up his head. And remember that whole story in Genesis 28? Jacob goes back and he sees the ladder and there's a head up in heavens as in contrast to what he called Bethel, the house of God, in contrast to Babel, which is the gods, the portal to the gods. And so I think you see that, and he's quoting that here in Hebrews when he says that in Hebrews chapter 7. Haven't said all that, When you get to how this applies practically, when you get to verse 23 of chapter 7 of Hebrews, it says, now there have been many of those priests since death

prevented them from continuing an office. That was the problem, even if you had a good representative for the people who was designated to have this encounter with God. Well, what happens when they die? Yeah. Well, then you get his son or whatever. It's passed on like in kings or, well,

that's not a good game. to be playing. What if, what if his son doesn't even believe in God or whatever? But because, now here's the, here's what we want to focus on, but because Jesus, and here's this word again, lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood, therefore he is able to save forever or completely those who come to God through him. And here's the little phrase. that makes all this makes sense. Because he always lives, he always lives,

to intercede for them. He's speaking on our defense. He is interceding on our behalf. Where is this taking place? It's taking place right now at the right hand of God. In heaven and in the earth. So then he goes on to say,

such a high priest meets our need, one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners and exalted above the heavens. That's why he's more qualified than any other human that's ever walked the planet. Unlike the other high priest, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins and then for the sins of the people.

He sacrificed for their sins, once for all, when he offered himself for the law appoints as high priest men who are weak, but the oath which came after the law. law appointed the son who has been made perfect forever. What you're talking about, Jay, is one of the differences, Zach, when you were earlier talking about the tabernacle being temporary and the temple being more permanent, but it's still temporary. That's the thing.

Because something is more permanent doesn't mean it's permanent. So that's where we kind of, I think, and the way we're reading these scriptures and looking at them, I think it's where we differ, even from a lot of religious people, is they still have that patch of ground in Israel and this kind of looking forward to some third temple being built there as the permanent structure. But we're saying, no, we are the living stones, the permanent structure. The forever has begun. The portal is here. Yes. Where the house of God? There's another super, there's another super controversial thread that is in this, I think, that is solved through this text is there's a big debate on the judgment of God,

whether God's really judging evil in this world. Does the blood of Christ actually do something, or is it just symbolic? And there's this big debate, and it kind of came to a head. I say ahead. I mean, it's been a debate for a long time. But there was a book that came. I actually bought the book and read it called The Lamb of the Free,

and it's about this idea that Christ's blood. it's more like a symbolic thing. It's not actually efficacious. God's not actually paying a penalty for sin. There's not really a real penalty, just that we're kind of sinners in our own mind. And the guy who wrote the book is a scholar of, he's a Levittical scholar.

So his kind of work was in the book of Leviticus. And so he makes his whole case for denying that substitutionary atonement of Christ. He denies it through going back and looking at Leviticus. and I read the book, and then I thought, you know, it's interesting, though, if you read what's happening here in Hebrews, the Hebrew writer's not locating the efficacy of Christ in the Levitical priesthood. That's the whole point with this Malkesedic guy. He's saying this guy prefigures Leviticus.

Because think about if you were going to be a priest in Israel, you have to be from a, like you have to be descended from Aaron. You got to come from that tribe. tribe, and that was the tribe of Levi. You couldn't be a priest unless you were in that tribe. And so all of the priests were Levites. And that's why the book is called Leviticus, right? It has to be from the tribe of Levi.

And so when you read this, what he's saying is, I mean, even in chapter 7, he says in verse 11, if perfection had been attained through the Levittical priesthood, for under it, the people received the law, what further need were there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Malkesedek rather than the one named after the order of Aaron? What's he saying there? If you could have got perfection through this old system, then it would have came that way. But that old system was pointing to an evolution of a better system that now Christ comes. When we connect Christ with Malkesedek, we're saying, that Christ is not only a priest, he's a king, just like Marquesideg. We're also saying he had

a new father or mother. We don't know who, he wasn't descended from the natural way, right? He can't go back and look. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Mary. Christ was born of the Holy Spirit. I mean, this is, he was not connected. He existed. Malkazadec existed as a priest before there even was a Levi tribe. Yeah, that's a good point. And so look, I think Hebrews nine explains what you're saying. I'm just trying to pick out the, you know, instead of reading the whole chapter, I mean, you could, but when it, when it gets to verse 11, it says, when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made. That is to say, not a part of this creation. Well, where's that?

He's in the presence of God in heaven. So then it's in. It's in heaven. So then it's He didn't enter by the blood of bulls, of goats and calves, but he entered the most holy place in all cows, once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. And so verse 14 of chapter 9, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit, offered himself unblemished to God,

cleanse our consciences from acts sin that lead to death so that we may serve the living God. That's why 1st John 2.1 says, I'm writing this to you so that you will not sin. I mean, sin is a killer. You can look at our culture. You can look at all the violence and all the things going on. But what you have to do is look at your own life and realize we got a sin problem.

This is where all the problems are coming from. Well, there's a little hidden word there you said, and it has everything to do with it is confidence. So you go back in chapter 9 a little bit before what you just read. Well, you just read is that now we have confidence. Right. But there's a way, this is the way that we can have confidence to enter into the most holy place. But to go back and look in verse 9, it says, according to this arrangement, now he's talking about the Levitical arrangement, the old way. according to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifice are offered that cannot, they cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper.

Yeah. But deal only with food and drink and various washing regulations in the body imposed until the time of Reformation. So you think about what this means in just real world experience. Like you go and you do these liturgical acts, right? I'm going to do the liturgical act of whatever it is in the old system. I'm going to get my sacrifice made. I'm going to go into the temple. At the end of the day,

you're kind of like, I'm still me, right? I still got my junk. And the same thing applies today. If you try to come into a relationship with God by your own merit and your own work, at the end of the day, you just know it's not going to work. I read this book years ago that was very popular among women. I wanted to read it because a lot of girls in the church we were at were reading it. I read it, and it was just basically self-empowerment.

It was like bootstrap yourself up in your own righteousness. Girl, you do you, bootstrap it up, and you are awesome. And I'm like, here's a problem, though. You can do that and you can pretend like that's true. At the end of the day, though, you know that it's not true. You know your own heart. You know your shortcomings. You know your inabilities.

You know your incompetencies. We just have them because we're sinful and we're falling. And so if I'm coming into the relationship of righteousness by my own merit, it's actually not going to work. My conscience at the end of the day is just not going to be pure enough to do that. And so what happens with Christ in his accomplishment as being a high priest in the order of Mount Cazadegh, who was perfect and he was a king, if he's the one that is actually accomplishing whatever it is for me and he's taking that accomplishment into the throne room of God as a forerunner on my behalf. and inviting me in. Now all of a sudden, it's the baptism verse,

and that Peter says, I can pledge a good conscience towards God, not because of me. It saves you by the resurrection. I've been connected with Christ now. So I'm actually appealing on his merit and his ability, not my own. It's kind of the key point of the gospel, right?

Oh, it is. Well, and to your point, he quotes Leviticus there in Hebrews 9 in verse 12, Hebrews 9 in verse 21 and 22. And so he gets to 24, and it's like, for Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. Here we go. He entered heaven itself. This is his perspective, the Hebrew writer, what Jesus has made available right now in heaven.

Now to appear for us. in God's presence. He didn't enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times, but now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

I mean, it's pretty clear. So then he gets to chapter 10. We're not going to get finished. We're not going to get finished if we keep stopping. I got to say one thing, because that's a big point. Heaven to, what does it say? Heaven to now appear in the presence of God? For us.

Listen to this. Second Corinthians 5-1. You don't talk about bringing heaven and earth back together again. For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God an eternal house in heaven not built by human hands. Love it. Hebrews 10, 19. So we're now moving to 10.

Therefore, brother, since we have confidence to enter the most highly placed by the blood of Jesus, by a new, that word new keeps coming up, a new covenant, a new humanity, a new kingdom. Creation, a new kingdom. It says, by a new and living way, open for us through the curtain, that is his body. Isn't that something? Through his body, he ripped that curtain to the presence of God for humanity. And since we have a great priest over the house of God, which are people who have put their faith and trust in Jesus, have the Spirit, let us draw near to God, which is another common theme that we keep reading, with a sincere heart, full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies

washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess for he who promised is faithful. That's why 1st John 2 says he's faithful and just. Well, I think that's 1st John 1. When it says, where does it say that? When it says, he is faithful and just and we'll forget, that's chapter 1st. 1 in verse 9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful in just. Well, forgive us our sin. He's at the right hand of God, see? Chapter 2. So,

you fast forward and get to chapter 12, and this is where all those Psalm, Psalm 2, Psalm 24, Psalm 110, all of what we had in Hebrews, all the pictures of this new Zion, whatever

this represents. In chapter 12 and verse 22, it says, but you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You've come to thousands upon thousands to angels and joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You've come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word

than the blood of Abel. And you remember when he was murdered, his blood cried out from the ground. You're like, why? Because your blood is your life source, and it's not meant to be spilled out on the earth. It's not meant, that's not meant to happen. and between human decision that was poor and sinful and the spiritual forces that contributed to that,

Jesus came down here to spill his blood to unify humanity once again, and he's been presented in God's presence at the right hand of God, where he is now interceding, mediating for us. What did the blood, what did the blood? What did the blood of Abel cry out? Justice. Yeah. The blood of, hold on one second.

I actually want to read this. Read it. Where's that? You have two minutes. Genesis 410, the voice of your brother's blood is crying out to me, and it's crying out for vengeance, for justice. What Christ's blood cries out is not vengeance. Christ's blood cries out atonement. Christ's blood cries out.

forgiveness. Christ's blood cries out covering. And so it is a better word. It's a much better word, particularly if you're in the position of the one who was shedding the blood, which we all are because of our sin. So when we, you say, why are you doing all this? That his, we've come to this new covenant where his blood speaks a better word than able. Because when you get to 1st John 311, you know what he throws in here? This is the message we have heard from the beginning. We should love one another. do not be like Cain who belonged to the evil one. This is why we went through this in Hebrews, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother.

Who is that? That was Abel. Why is John bringing this up here? And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brothers were righteous. Don't be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death the life because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.

Anyone who hates his brothers a murder and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. This echoes throughout the whole book of 1st John. You're in the fellowship of the Godhead who loves us. He proved it through Jesus. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God saying, come on, let's do this. And that should affect how you function on earth with your fellow man in every capacity and every relationship. So just to wrap up this excursion, the excursion was to take us to the idea of what it really means for atonement and anointing at the same time, which is where we're at here in 1 John 2, 1 and 2. And so that sets

us up for verse 3, which is where we'll get next time. our study about what that looks like once we begin to understand and wrap our mind around this. So we'll see you next time. Don't unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.