Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1263 | Missy Swoops in to Jase’s Midnight Rescue & Darkness Never Gets the Last Word

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

The Epstein files spark a sobering conversation about corruption, secrecy, and the cost of unchecked power. The guys examine why evil operating in darkness should never shock us, and how history, Scripture, and human nature all point to the same outcome when desire goes unrestrained. Jase shares a harrowing travel story that turns into a reminder of how quickly our illusion of control can disappear. In this episode: Deuteronomy 17, verses 16–17; 1 John 2, verse 16; John 8, verse 44; Romans 2, verses 6–11; James 4, verse 16; James 5, verse 16 “Unashamed” Episode 1263 is sponsored by: https://helixsleep.com/unashamed — Get 27% off sitewide and make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! https://chministries.org/unashamed — See why Christians are ditching health insurance for good. Get a simpler alternative at half the cost! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00 – Late start and a chaotic travel day 07:40 – Jase accidentally tells an offensive joke 10:30 – The one-engine plane and the red button 16:00 – Fog, ice, and a near-aborted landing 22:30 – Stranded in El Dorado after midnight 28:40 – A deer dodge and a midnight rescue 33:45 – Why powerful people doing evil shouldn’t shock us 37:20 – Epstein, money, sex, and power 43:30 – Darkness, secrecy, and bringing sin into the light 50:30 – Why this evil exists at all — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. Jase, you had an interesting day yesterday. I was checking my phone and Zach sent me a text. I'm looking at you, Zach. Just, hey. Hey, man. We text each other a lot sometimes when we're actually here talking to you guys.

It's a little bit of crazy. Maddie will text me something and Zach will talk. Yeah, we're starting a little late today. OJ's had a rare midweek event, and it's my first event of 2000. Well, the problem was we had planned on this a while back, because we've obviously known about the event, but then we had the recent ice apocalypse, which pushed all our recording to this week, and so it's been a little bit of a schedule buster, I would call it. Well, I was going to a little place called Dalton, Georgia, and

I've been in the area. Oh, this is going to be funny. Isn't there where Triple J, Johnny Joey Jones is from Dalton? He may be. I think he might. I think he is. If you need some carpet, you can ask him. Yeah, because they make carpet there.

It's the carpet capital. Yeah, that's where he's from. Of the world. I wish I didn't know that. So look, you know what I did in my opener? Because I guess the older I get. Which, look, I want to say this, about first event of the year. They said, you have 40 minutes.

And I stopped at 39. Well, that's a miracle. Without any notes. That's a miracle, dude. So it was really good. Our first event we had last week, we only had 30 minutes because they had a Q&A after. But it's very hard for at least I'm not both to do our presentation in 30 minutes. So anyway, for my opener, I mean, look, the trip got bumpy.

The reason we were late is. Because you went on a somebody who sent a plane for you. Yeah, now, you usually don't do that. Right. Because we've had some rough experiences. I think Aunt Bonnie, who travels with me when Missy doesn't go, she sends a representative to watch me, I guess. No, she does a good job, organizing events.

And everybody needs an aunt Bonnie. She's a little, I call her Bonnie the Bulldog. Yeah. Bonnie the Bulldog. Well, she got. Affection of Bulldog, though. She got really quiet last night because. Because of this bumpy plane.

Our trip was. Yeah, filled with, are you ready to meet your maker moments? But, you know, it's no big deal. But you can't be preaching that. I mean, that was part of my sermon last night. It's like, are you ready to meet your maker? And then not go live that out in tough conditions to fly. Because it was quite the rainstorm when we left.

And when we came back, we ran into a fog issue. All this ice and snow here. Last night, it was like those movies you watch about Jack the Ripper in London, like in 1800. Yeah. And it's all just like this murky, you know, fog. That's what it reminded. I felt that last night. But anyway, my opening line, this is kind of silly, but I thought I'd try it.

Because I thought, what was this place famous for? Carpet. So I got up there, and I was like, oh, it's good to be in Dalton, Georgia. You know, I did my Larry the Cable Guy job. When's the last time you all heard that? It was a little chuckle. And I said, man, y'all, y'all look good for a bunch of carpet baggers. They actually laughed at that.

They laughed at that one. That's good. But then I said, well, I'll start this out with a movie clip that I will attempt to reenact. And we'll have a name that movie clip. I know which one you're going to do. And I said, so here he is. He's on a, what's those things called? Ferry.

Yeah, he's on a ferry. I got that right. And I was like, pull him, you'll pull. And about three people hollered out, hello Josie Wells. And I was like, y'all got that from that. That's impressive.

Yeah. That's impressive. I said there was a man selling elixir on that ferry. And he said it was about good for anything, which, you know, one bottle for, I think it was 10 cents. You get two for 20. And he's so oh, Eastwood said, yeah, that stuff worked good on about anything, huh? He's like, yes, sir, indeed.

So he just, he thought he had him a sale. He takes a big tobacco-filled, juicy spit and just spits right on the man's chest because he had a white suit. And he said, well, how's it on stains? And then there was a little, you know, chuckle from the, from, Eastwood's counterparts. They were saying, he-he-ha-ha.

And remember even Emil was like, he liked it to. So, look, I did that. Then when I got to, you know, Jesus dying on the cross, I was going to bring that back up. Of course, I forgot. Because I was talking about, you know,

there's. Stain of sin or something. Yeah, the stain. I mean, it's hard to, that's where we're at in first John. It would have been a good problem. How do you remove the stains of sin in your life? well there's a god and he loves us and the 10 cent elixir is not going to do it not going to do it

and uh so that they didn't really laugh at that but it broke the ice and uh but the line because it was well mr carpetbagger that's that was yeah that was funny and then i when i told that and because nobody really laughed i was like that's as good as this is going to get you know then they all laugh yeah i was like that that's i thought that was funny zach are you familiar with why they called these The people that were coming down from the north to the south, they called them carpetbaggers. But do you know the origin of that? Have you ever, I don't know why they call it. Give him 60 seconds and he'll use his AI stuff.

And he'll probably have an answer. Well, that's why I threw it out there. Let's let him research. Yeah, my initial instinct was I don't have to know the answer to that. So let's just look it up. Yeah. Why were they called carpetbaggers? I think we all should make a stab at it before we answer.

Yeah, because I mean, I was trying to think in my mind just to practically have an answer for that, and I'm not sure I don't understand it. Unless they had bags with the carpet. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was it was something about accumulating wealth off of, like basically coming in. It was kind of a slur, though, right? I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't seen as a good thing.

Like they come in and they have a little bit of. capital and then they can go up and buy up farms or things like that. That's what I think it was, but let me look and see. Look, I was tempted last night because, you know, my house with the ice dams phenomenon, because we had an insurance adjuster before I left to come here. And I had to get a ride because my truck's still at the airport. I'll tell you that story in a minute. But I've been gone with that truck home last night. Pretty much, Al. Al, you're not going to believe what happened. to me last night. It's crazy. But anyway, I was tempted. I got the answer when you want. All right. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, getting news. We're going to introduce a breaking news segment.

Yeah, we're going to do more breaking news segments. And current event segments. We need some kind of musical lead in. So during the Civil War, these northerners who went to the South after the Civil War carried all their belongings in a cheap suitcase made of a carpet fabric, a carpet bag, And the label was meant as an insult, implying they were poor, opportunistic outsiders who came to profit politically or economically during Reconstruction. Well, no wonder, nobody laughed. No, they actually did laugh.

Yeah. It was kind of a smart. I should have done some research before I dropped that. Yeah, you carpet baggers. You come down here to Georgia, you cheap carpet baggers. Jason insulted him, and he didn't even know he did it. They had a board meeting probably after him. And we paid this guy to come here and do this to us.

This dumb redneck from Louisiana. No, the event was, look, it was fantastic. It was close to my heart, which is why I made it work, because it was one of these FCA fundraisers, which that is my story of coming to Jesus. I was 14. And I said last night, the hardest thing to do from my life was to follow Jesus at 14 and go to a public high school.

It's just very difficult And I think it was intense I mean I was like This is great We're supporting this we're giving kids an outlet to not only do something good Clean and fun play sports But to be unashamed that they follow Jesus And I wish I would have had somebody tell me

Hey this is a good thing Yeah when I was 14 so because it is very difficult So and I spoke to the kids before the event I mean, they probably had 150. And, I mean, that was a lot of people last night. It was Tuesday night. It was well over 1,000 at the arena. And it was fantastic.

Now, getting there, we were in this cool little plane. I've written on a lot of planes, Alan. I know, yeah. But I've never ridden on a, the name of it was a Siri. It's called a Cirrus. Cirrus. It's like circus, except instead of the sea, it's an R. So Cirrus.

Okay. And there's only like, I guess, 600 of them in the world. No, it was a jet. It's a one engine jet. Oh, yeah. I've seen this. And the other pilot called it a hot rod. Yeah.

Because we got in that thing and it can move. Takes off like a rocket ship. But it felt like we were in a sci-fi movie because it's real computer generated and it's like a little capsule and you're just shoo. But here's what's funny. So the pilot, who just donated his time. And he owns the plane. And he does this every year for the event.

He goes and picks a guy up and, or I guess it's been guys that have spoken with this thing. And so, you know, when he's giving us a little safety meeting here before we take off, so it's me and Aunt Bonnie. And on the way there it was him and his son, who's also a pilot. He's like, now if we die. And I kind of stop. I mean, this was the safety meeting. He started off.

Now, if we die, he said, push this red button. And look, it was literally like a sci-fi movie. There was a big red button in the middle of the plane. He said, that computer will take you home to the nearest airport. I was like, you're serious, Clark. Now he said, now, he said, I'm glad to know there's a red button. That would make me feel pretty good. It looked like a presidential red button.

Yeah, right. It was like, here it is. So this is hilarious. So he said, now, he said, this only has one. engine. That's what's different about this plane, which I figured out later, that's why it's half the price. But the problem is you probably already go in there in your mind. Well, if your engine blows, there's no backup engine. He said, the red button doesn't have the end. So look, so he said, if the engine blows, he said, we pull this lever, and it was a parachute lever. He said, it actually

has a parachute. And he said, you know, that's just if the engine blows. He said, it's happened twice. Oh, yeah. And he said, and no one was injured. He safely landed. So I was like, goop. What's crazy is out? So he's landed twice without an engine? Without an engine. He's landed that plane twice. Wow. And nobody got injured. So last time I was in Louisiana, I had about three nights with you, cousin Jace, in the middle of it. I think you were sleeping on a recliner. I was sleeping on a hard couch. So that night at your house, that fourth night out, your house. on the Helix mattress. Welcome back to Libby's. Yes. Because I have Helix mattresses all throughout my house, because we're a Helix family,

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I was like, well, now we know the rules of engagement. Well, none of this really matters until, you know, on the way home. Because we got there, it was the smoothest plane ride. I've ever been on. It was quick. And I thought, man, we're flying outer space, you know. So when we come back, what happened was that front came through, and then there was a fog alert.

So he thought we were going to have to spend the night and everything, but he said, I think we'd make it. Because you're part of this. I had the earphones on. We're listening to them talk, you know, which was great on the way there. On the way back, it's a little too close to the sausage being made, because there was a lot of, because as soon as we got up, he's like, is there ice on the wings? Is there ice on the wings? I'll see ice on the wings. Is that bad? It's like, yeah, that's not good. But anyway. Yeah, that's why they de-ice them, man. So you're looking at these airports, and there's little meters, and, you know, if it turns pink, that means too much fog, can't land. So it would turn pink, like, because we're coming into Monroe. Then it would go to yellow. He's like, go to yellow, and we're flying. He's like, well, I see lights. And so anyways, we think we can make it. So we start going down to land in Munro.

And we're seeing lights and everything. But he said, now he had said before this fog will fool you. Because from up above it, you can see through holes in it. And he's like, sometimes you get down there. Just what we talk about, one pilot? No, we had two pilots. He and his sun. And we start going down through the fog.

And all of a sudden, you know, the lights go off. You can't see anything. And, you know, he's talking to the guy. The guy's like, he's like, when's the last time someone's landed here? And he's like, oh, it's been three or four hours. He's like, well, that doesn't give us any help. So we got, but I heard the guy say when you cross the, whatever the 362 marker was, that's when you'll have to make that decision.

And so we're coming down through the fog, and I see that 362. I just saw it for a glimpse. second and we keep going down and it you you can't see and i i mean i had said a prayer i was like we did a really good event tonight i'm sure this is going to be fine and and some some for some reason in my mind i pictured the red sea i was like think this fox just going to open up and we're going to be able to see because we're coming down and we're we're down to you know three or four hundred feet here yeah we're going close and we can't see and And so for some reason, we just kept going, and I still can't see.

And I literally looked out the wind, and I was like, wh-ph-p-f-f. I was like, we need this far. I mean, this is how you, I mean, what you were involved in, this is exactly, I mean, that's scary because the pilots are a little bit more aggressive. You're like, but that's why these small planes, they crash all the time. Yeah, I was living my life through the power. And I thought, this is how Kobe Bryant died by the way.

So look, then I'll look. Then I looked over at, look, I looked at the red button and I thought, why are we not pushing that? You know what I'm at the computer do it? We're this close, you know, red button. Nobody's looking at the red button. I'm looking at the red button. And I looked at Bonnie. What does the body do it?

She is just deathly silent, which is very unused. That's why I knew. The actual, the other pilot said, Ms. Aunt Bonnie, you okay? You're kind of quiet back there because we were all talking. And about two seconds before, I was trying, it's kind of like when you're riding with somebody and you feel like they should be breaking and you start mashing the passenger floorboard as hard as you can. I do it my wife all the time. Or grip the thing up.

She's like, is something wrong with your leg? And I'm like, I'm trying to push the brake from here. Slow this thing down. Well, I was doing that, like, pull up. I was thinking, pull up. pull up and so about two or three seconds later we bowed up you know immediately so then it gets to well now now well let's check the fuel now we're checking the fuel i mean we're got we're done with that it's like we have to find an alternate and we were going to do rustin that was the plan but then

we looked at rustin when out it's pink so he's like two choices el dorado or shreport and i said well what are what are the people in those towers saying you know he's like let's ask on Well, El Dorado was... I'm more concerned that you were involved in the process. I was involved in the process. I thought that concerns me because it's like, what do you... You're just sitting in the back. You're not supposed to know how the sausage is made, though.

No, no. Because he was like... You're supposed to be at the counter ordering the meat. You're not supposed to be back there with... I want to package. In his defense. I don't want to know. I know.

I don't want to know. Because old Steve was a spectacular. He was like, doesn't matter to us. We're getting out of here. but you're going to be without a vehicle. It's the middle of the night. So he's asking more because you know the area. Yeah, that's right.

And I was like, let's go to El Dorado because I heard when he said it's all clear, no fog. Because I was thinking at Treeport, we're still in Louisiana. Because we weren't going to go to Russ, and that was the backup plan with the backup plan. It was now fogged in. I was like, maybe this thing's moving west. I mean, because then I thought, well, how much fuel we got? He's like, well, we got enough to make it to Streetport. And I was like, well, then what if it's fogged?

That's right. We're pushing that red button in. Or the parachute. Chase is bad wanting to push the button. I have to admit, I was ready, you know, I'm always ready. And I've been involved in a couple of emergency landing. So I wasn't concerned about it, but I just thought, this is pretty hairy. I mean, because that fog, he was not landing there.

You could not see the ground. I could not see driving last night. I mean, like, there were a couple of times driving home. That's super dangerous. I mean, that's how bad the fog. But you know what? We would have had one heck of a podcast, Jason. Well, this got, look, this is when all the excitement started when I landed in a little place called El Dorado, Arkansas.

And we got there. And, of course, I was telling Missy, I was like, what time? I mean, Bonnie, I was like, what time is it after 10 o'clock? And the time change, it all messed up. I was like, she turns into a pumpkin at 10. Because I was like, I have a friend in Rustin. I was going to call and get a ride. And but El Dorado, I don't know anybody.

And so I thought, it's only an hour and 20 minutes. Right. Maybe we can get Missy to come pick us up. That was the plan. And so I sent her a message saying, do you like to come pick us up in El Dorado, Arkansas? No response. But so Bonnie started calling her just like rapidly.

And she was like, well, yeah, let me get settled. because she was in the bed dozing off to sleep so it's like let me get settled what does that mean well I gotta get my shoes on she was fixed to go to sleep

and so she was saying you startled her crazy thing let me get settled and get my shoes on and so she starts heading to El Dorado so we're like the plan was to call an Uber driver and made her like halfway

so but we pulled this airport and there was a woman who lived there at the airport that was under construction. And because I was like, they said, oh, there's somebody in there. I was like, well, great thing. Let us in. Because at this point, we're waiting out in the cold.

Yeah. Trying to find an Uber driver, you know. So we went in there. At 10 o'clock in El Dorado. Well, then there's another employee that's fueling up the plane. I'm like, man, this is not bad for El Dorado. And his name was Bobby, beast of a man. He walked in and I introduced myself because I thought, I got to make some context

quick because we're in the middle of nowhere. And I told him who it was. He said, oh, I know who you are, which I thought was a good sign. I was like, well, great. And I was like, well, look, I'm on, I guess we're going to get an Uber. And he's like, now you don't get an Uber in El Dorado. He said, you might can call one, but good luck if he shows up. But so anyway, he said, well, where do you need to go?

I was like, well, I'm not sure. I want to meet my wife somewhere. And he's like, let's go. So we took off. Oh, yeah, he got some gas, you know, and he's driving pretty rapidly. And all of a sudden, I look up, and there's two deer standing, I would say 10 feet in front of our vehicle that's going, let's just put it, we're going to the full maximum amount of the speed limit. And I thought, this is where it ends. You survived the plant ride to only.

Now we're all the... Let me tell you something. That Joker, I would sponsor him in some kind of NASCAR race. Because in a moment, he took care of Aunt Bonnie, because she was fixed to go out the windshield. Yeah. Because it was a break, swerve, and he just split the uprights of deer in a flash. And I braced for impact and thought, how in the world did he go through? Because it was a whole herd of deer, but he just went through two of them.

I mean, just in the middle of them. of the road. And I thought, wow, that just happened. He's like, you okay, Aunt Bonnie? No wonder Bonnie sent me a note says she's resigned from taking care of Jay's now. So anyway, long story short, we start trying to call Missy. And he's like, meet me at the old stone church. And he told Missy that.

And she's like, old stone church. now. He's like, no, it's not a, it's just a road. And so after we hung up, I thought, I don't think we're going to meet her there because she had no idea. He's like, oh, I thought she had been up this way before. I was like, well, she has, but that was kind of a, we got a guy like that, John Galwin, you know, go down there, there's three curves, there's a silo on the left and take a, take a right. You see a guy named, named Jesse that's out by his truck. Yeah, got an old hound dog that'll probably come up there, but he won't. buy. So then I started thinking, well, at some point, we're going to pass each other. And he's

like, and I said that. And he's like, what, what's she drive? And I said, she, I told him the story because it's embarrassing to say we have a wagon here. It's like the most expensive car you can buy. It was like, it was during COVID. She had to have a vehicle. That's the only one for sale. You're trying to justify the car. Yeah. And I said, and trust me, if she meets an old Stone Point, somebody's going to think she has some drugs in her car. Why would somebody be parked on the side of road at midnight in this fancy car. And he said, what's your drive? I was like a big white waggoner.

You got to remember, we've been on the road here for 30, 40 minutes, and she passes us at that moment. He said, white waggeneer. So you're like, why aren't you calling her? We don't have a signal. That's right. That joker did a U-turn in the road because he thought, if we can't get a hold of her, she's going to head to the airport.

And sure enough, Bonnie. He said, I got her. And she's like, we just passed you. We pull, I mean, it's like midnight. We pull on the side of the road. She's got her flasher's on, and that's how I got with her. And we limped, we limped home. I gave old Bobby a hondo, and I said, I want to, because he's got a wife and four daughters.

And, you know, just, for him to do that, you didn't have to do that. No, of course it didn't. And we're out there, you know, missing dear. And I thought, I'm buying you and your wife. I thought he'd say, no, no. He's like, well, thank you. Well, he was probably hoping. He knew you were a famous person.

Well, I thought this guy put his life on the line. So did you make it to Farville, Spiresville area? Where were you? Do you even know where you were? When we met? Yeah. Middle of nowhere. Yeah.

Middle of nowhere on the side of the room. Probably around Spiresville down there somewhere. Just north of Farable. Yeah. Yeah, we were kind of in between El Dorado. And there's no signal. You're exactly right because that's the dead zone. So anyway, that was the trip.

Moral of the story, flying is dangerous. But driving is actually statistically much more dangerous. No, old Steve-O on the plane was a true professional. It's just, it's a more weird experience when you're listening. Look, I got news for you. They're doing that every time somebody's flying. They're talking about these things. But we're in on the conversation.

So he said that. He's like, oh, because they were laughing. and I mean, there was zero animosity. Steve, I was not. He never had his blood pressure raise up at all. No. Yeah, because they do it all. And even if they do, you'd never know.

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I have, but I've heard about it, and it's sickening. that this kind of stuff goes on our planet. But look, in reality, are we really shocked? I mean, 1 John 5, the last verse in his sermon, is he says, we know that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. But we know we're children of God. And this spiritual war is rampant and raging.

and when these things come out, why are we really shocked? Well, you remember on the, because I know evidently they, they just had a big dump, like, was it 3,500 pages of emails and materials? I think it was way more than that. I don't know.

Maybe it was 3 million, five pages. I haven't had the internet or a TV in two weeks. I still don't. I looked it up earlier when we were talking. Well, here's what I want to say about that. Al, you remember in that study when we were doing about, I think it was on, when we were talking about the analysis.

anointing and how kings were anointed with oil. And it kind of goes back to the garden of this liquid life and setting people apart. And God himself's like, you don't need a king. I am the king. But all the people wanted kings. And he also knew we were setting that up because he also knew that he would come here as Jesus Christ. I mean, in Jesus, who would be the king. Exactly.

So he knew, he's like, I got the king coming. Yeah, he's like, I got it. But look, what do humans do? Oh, no. We're like, no. We got it. But I remember from that study in Deuteronomy 17 when he was like, okay, you want to give you a king. But I'm telling you, you should listen to me.

And there was like three rules for the king. And what's amazing, you said, what's this got to do with Epstein or Evilstein, how do you want to? I mean, because you, well, you start looking in this. You're like, people are, like, fascinated that powerful people are doing evil things. Trust me, they've been doing that since the garden. Exactly. But I wanted to read this because in this interesting, I don't know when Deuteronomy was written. Well, Moses wrote it, and so this would have been, you know, quite a bit before the actual king thing happened.

I mean, we're talking hundreds of years prior. Yeah. So he gives the kind of the rules on if we're going to have. a king. And isn't it interesting? This is Deuteronomy 17, 16. The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt. You are not going, not to go back that way again, which back then horses think tanks power. That was the power. Yeah. Whoever had the most horses and the most men won. So it's a power thing.

And remember that when this was written, Pharaoh had all the horses. And remember God had shown him he was more powerful than the horses already. Exactly. He must not take a lot of wives or his heart will be led astray. So here we have the sex thing because you're the king. You can do whatever you want to. You have power.

He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold. Money, money, money. So you just think, you know, we're in 1st John 2. Talking about don't love the world and the cravings of sinful man. and that's where this goes off the rails. Money, sex, and power. And this whole Epstein affair is, that's what it can,

people that are very powerful, have a lot of money. And this whole thing is built around sex. That's with the whole purpose of the whole thing. And of course, it was people underage. It was terrible things. Oh, kids.

And what, you know, I don't know, I mean, I haven't read all this stuff, but it just seems like it's this, devious anti-decreation of what humanity is supposed to look like in view of God and to do the very opposite and death is king and abuse is king and you're looking at babies as just yeah sexual object yeah so it's amazing to me and there's also you mentioned it there's also kind of a weird fascination of people wanting to know more and more about it now I'm all about the accountability idea if people broke laws.

I don't believe there's been one arrest in the whole thing. I don't think so. Well, except for the woman that was helping him, right? They arrested her. But you're right, Jason. Of course, then they had arrested him, and then he either killed himself, for his murder, and this whole other thing.

But the thing about it is, there's a weird fascination about wanting to know all this stuff. I'm all about accountability for it, but then I don't want to know the details of all this sick stuff. It's kind of sickening. And, I mean, one of the things I was thinking, because we're going through this first John, John study, and you read about when John kind of juxtaposes the world, quote, in quote,

with life in Christ, participation in Christ. But Epstein, he really represents like the end conclusion of the world. Like it's all about sexual appetite, sexual conquest, power, which is interesting too. I think that, you know, it wasn't just about sex. It was also about power and money. and it's interesting how all three of those things were like in the same exact entrapment, right? And we don't know the full story of what all he was involved in, but like it's clearly like a picture, like at the end of it, you're just like, that's not very appealing. I mean, I don't know anyone that would look at the way he ended and think, man, if he had all the power, all the money, and all the sexual exploits that he could muster up and imagine, and now the world's looking at that.

And I think we're collectively condemning it, but there is a weird also kind of like a weird fascination with it as well, Al. Well, it is. And you remember, Zach, about, I want to say it was a decade prior to when they arrested him and, you know, and the whole thing happened the last few years ago. There was a decade before that. They had him. Like, he was in Florida. They had him up on charge. And they basically just let him walk. I mean, he was, he had already been called once in this whole, you know, regime.

and I guess the powerful people, you know, thwarted it, and the government didn't get him. And so then there was another decade of this stuff, you know, that went on and on. And I guess that shows you what happens, though, when you get into, there's something about living your life with a clear conscience. I mean, we all admit we're sinners, but, you know, you avoid stuff like anything like this and you live with a clear conscience. Because man, you don't have to worry about somebody knocking your door down to find out some secret cabal you were involved in. I mean, that's what the whole point of this text were in in the first shot. Well, what stood out to me was you have the Department of Justice releasing all this injustice that happened. Yeah.

And that's why I just thought, even last night, I guess when I got to our spiritual war part while I was speaking. our sinful behavior and the world. And I actually brought up First John. I said, we're studying First John in the podcast, which took me five minutes to realize, I probably already get off this if I want to speak in 40 minutes. But, and I zeroed in on it more because everybody's conscious of this. But that's why when we take for granted that God is just,

he will think about the verse. He will pay back trouble. and those who give you trouble. And I thought about Romans too, like in verse 5, where it says, because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you're storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath

when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will give to each person according to what he's done. He's going to make things right to those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality he will give eternal life. But those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, There'll be wrath and anger.

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Romans 2 passage, that that wrath that God's going to unleash on these people is very interesting, because the wrath of God, at least in the case of the Roman, that text in Romans too, was to be left over to your own vices to be given a God. So God's wrath was not, in that case, was not him pouring it out. It was more like, I'm going to release you to your own vices and you're going to create your own hell. It's kind of what we've been talking about. We've been doing the CS Lewis course, and Lewis talked a lot about this as well when he

wrote a couple of his books, screw tape letters and the great divorce. It's like being left to yourself. And so when you read, you know, First John 2, like you could think about, like if what's a good parable of the world? Because it says, don't love the world or anything in it. He's not talking about, like, the creation. He's not talking about. I love the creation.

We love the duck count. We love to be out in nature. We love trees. I love, like, that's not what he's talking about. He's talking about the parable of what Epstein represents and what the logic of Epstein is. This is giving yourself over to be consumed by the lust of the world. And it's interesting that the text we're in fits so beautifully, not beautifully, but so tangibly into the story of what, you know,

this whole debacle turned out to be in the end. You see the wrath of God right now. You see the wrath of God in the fact that he hung himself in the jail cell. All the people that were involved just saw the Prince Andrew got kicked out of the royal palace, the royal club or something in the dark of night, right? Everyone's like, we don't want you to be around us. We don't want to be a part of you anymore. We don't want you to be a part of us.

And that is just the natural consequences of, of evil, and that's what God does. And then I saw some articles about Bill Gates, you know, rich man, and was going to spend his last year doing all these philanthropic projects. And now he's having to defend himself for, you know, STDs. He gave it to his wife. But here's the thing. Satan is a cruel taskmaster.

And Zach, you've quoted me before as saying that that's why we like to detonate our own time bombs, because if you leave it to him, if you do things, in secret as what we're describing here, he will explode the time bomb when it's the very worst for you. It's never, he's never going to be your friend. Like you go into these secret, dark places and I think that's part of the allure. These are, these are wealthy, powerful people. And part of the lure of it, Zach, was probably just the secrecy of it. They knew they were doing something wrong. You know, we talk about it in, in marriage context of a lot of times the, I'm trying to think of the word, there's a word, limerence. It's this idea that you're drawn to something secret and it makes it

so appealing. But then when you realize in an affair situation, I mean, these people are like, oh, this is so great. I mean, this is what I've never had at home and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden you realize it's just another person. And after a little while, when the limerence wears off, it's like, well, this person's got the same problems. The other person I have. Well, if you walk with anybody through an affair, which I know we all have walked with many, many couples through affairs and infidelity, the limerance is a real thing. That's a very, very common thing, which is essentially that you'll hear something like, man, the sex was just out of this world with this person. I wasn't even married to. The intensity of the emotional and physical connection

and bond. The way they would describe that connection is like it was out of this world. And it's a real thing that's called limerance that is. It's deceptive. But that does wear off. And when that is gone, now you're back in the same boat that you were in with your previous spouse, and now you got to fit. So it's like you got to run through that wall, but you talked about the darkness of it all and kind of the hiding and the forbidden fruit nature of it. I mean, that really is the darkness. That's the secret network that, you know, John is talking about in 1st John 2, verse 9 and 11. What does he say? Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. Whoever, whoever,

says he's in the light and hates his brother still in darkness. So like the whole thing is to come out of concealment, to come out into the light. And these networks and these, because it is, it wasn't, I think it was a network here, but these evil networks, what do they all have in common? They operate in the darkness, not in the light. It's, it's about concealment, hidden rooms, even like NDAs. Like, you think about how many churches even do this now. They make you sign it. I'm like, why? Why sign an industry? NDA. Why do you ask people to sign NDAs? Intimidation. It's compromised people. And then you operate in this space of like darkness when in the kingdom. It's like, no, no, no. Dead nature

on time, bomb. Bring it all onto the light. If you do sin, what do you do? Yeah. Confess your sin to one of the other so that you may be healed. And then that confession, the reason why that leads to healing according to James is because the confession actually brings into the light, the thing that the devil can use to accuse you of. Yeah, I don't want to sign NDAs. I want to sign DAs disclosure or grievance. Because the more we disclose, the better off we are. The problem is, though, if you use that principle here,

they're like, if I confess my sins, someone will come and lock me up in a prison, which is true. It's true. And you can be healed, but that doesn't mean you're not going to be free. On the consequences. Yeah. Hey, we were talking, though, the day, on the last time we recorded a podcast about old jelly roll, He's like, I was in a, I was in a eight by eight.

And all I had was my little Bible here. And this is where I found Jesus, you know. There's your answer. I got a question. What does y'all's translation of 1 John 216 say? Mine says, for all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and the pride of life is not from the father, but is from the world. What is your translation to say? Well, this is the NIV, which I'm not going to, you know, stand up and defend.

because a lot of times I think, but it says for everything in the world, the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boasting of what he has and does comes not from the father, but from the world. Let me look it up on a Greek lexicon while you're talking. Yeah, one translation, I'm not sure it's one, it is it,

but I have it pulled up here. It's the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Yeah. And I thought, man, what an interesting verse that is when you think about the lust of the flesh, which really is like it's that unbridled sexual appetite. And so what should our sexual appetite be bridled?

It should be bridled by love and fidelity. Which is kind of the whole point. By doing so you can actually create families and society and could be really great things with sex. Because when Jason was reading that about what he said about the kings, you just think about it. I mean, how many horses are too many? You know, how much power is too much power?

People that are going for power, there's never enough. You've got to have more. And the same with money. And the same with the sex. It's just, it's this unquenching thirst for something that's not healthy. It's for more.

So think about like, that's such a great point that fits into the text really nicely because he goes on to say right after that, he says that the desires of the world are diminishing. They're passing away. And so that's the thing that you guys, got to keep up in the game. So Epstein and these guys are like, you get more and more perverse. That's right. Start bringing in the younger and younger women, the children. Then it's this all out just, I mean,

then the lust of the eyes becomes about consuming people. First visually, and then fleshly, you're consuming them. So you're curating these fantasies and your curation of all this imagery in your mind. And he's playing this out on literally a pedophile island. And then the pride of life steps in and I'm not going to get caught. Plus, I'm bigger than this. I believe. Think about the extortion nature of it now

because the evil ones got you because as Jay said, now you've broken laws. Now, not only when you lose all your stuff and your relationships, they'll take away your freedom. So the first one, where it says the NIV's cravings of

sinful man, it seems to be more lust, like 524. Remember when it says you've crucified the old sinful nature with its lust and desires. The same word. Ephesians 2.3, where it says you gratified the cravings of the sinful nature with that same word. The lust or the lust of its desires. A few others on that.

John 844. Remember when Jesus said, you belong to your father? I believe that's where he said that the devil. Yeah. So let's see what does 844 say. Because this is John wrote this also. So he uses the same word. 844.

You belong to your father and you want to carry out your father. Oh, your father's desire. That's the tie-in to the evil one right there. Oh, we don't found a smoking gun there. So John 844, same word is used as 1 John 2 on the first one. the cravings of that's the cravings so well then they have the next one lus so hold on and that's why it's such a that's why it's such a damnable thing oh it's the same word same word the the where it says cravings of sinful man the lust of

his eyes but the cravings and lust are actually yeah because it's what you see it's the exact same word yeah it's in the mind but remember Jesus said that your eyes or the window into your soul, the idea about what you choose to look at? Yeah, it goes back to the garden when she saw that fruit. There was a desire there. She saw that it was desirable for gaining wisdom

and looked good to eat. Remember, that was part of it. She's appealing to it. She wanted it. And she couldn't quit thinking about it. And then the evil one comes in there with his own agenda, which we just made true in John 8.

44, because he's got his own agenda, but it's lining up with humanities, rebellion, and there you go. That's exactly. Well, that's why the whole thing of this first John is about, we keep using the language of like participation, participatory, connected, integrated with Christ, life in Christ, union with Christ. These are phrases that we would use because it's not about, you could look at the Epstein thing, and you could say those monsters out there. And they are monsters.

And I don't know how big this conspiracy is. I don't know who all is involved in it. But I know this, and eventually they will all be held accountable. Everyone will come to justice at some point. And if that happens on this earth, great. But the harder truth of the matter is that the Epstein story is not just about the monsters out there.

Like, this is what we're all capable of. And so what makes you capable of that is continuing to follow down the path of a disordered love or a disordered desire. So that verse you read about is following the desire of your father, meaning the devil, right? Like that is a disordered desire. That is a desire that ultimately leads to the consumption of people. Whereas a godly desire, and as we yield and bring our desires under the rule in the reign of Christ, that is a desire that actually doesn't lead to the consumption of people. It leads to the procreation of people.

I mean, think about the difference between like procreation of people resulting in family, resulting in community, resulting in intimacy, resulting in fidelity, resulting in loyalty, resulting in the cultivation of a home and a crop and food and culture. That's one side of sexuality. And the other side is we're going to consume people for the sake of sexual, gratification. And that's why... You're right, Zane. That's why relationship and love becomes the central theme

for John. And it's the same like within your own family. I've said this before, we talked about lust and pornography on the podcast, our good friends at Covenant Eyes. You know, we had a whole podcast about it. And in that, I told you guys, I was like, what changed it for me was that I realize

if I'm watching pornography and these women involved in this pornography, that's someone's daughter or wife or girlfriend or mom. You know, and so that's a relationship. I realize that whatever has got him in their life to be doing this, but I'm now lusting over it. And think about the relationships and the destructive nature of that.

I don't want people looking at my grandkids and my wife in that way. So, you know, you've got to make a decision. What's terrifying about all this is there's only two camps that are going to stand before God. Those in Christ who surrendered to him and those who are not. and I think in our world we think well if I'm better than somebody else then I'm going to be okay even though I don't follow Jesus or have surrendered to Christ not as bad as Epstein just don't work that way you know I want to be as far away from that camp as possible to be in light and in Jesus that that's as far as you can be away I didn't want to bring this up this other word where it says

and the boasting of what he has and does. Now, the word boast has different... What is that out? Greek words. It's still in 16. I'm still in 16. But this particular one is only used twice in the New Testament. So I just discovered this while I was looking.

And the other time it's used is kind of fascinating to me, so I want to read it. So it's used here, and then it's used in the book of James in chapter 4 and verse 16. I want to read that little paragraph. It says, now remember, this is right after in James where he talks about two kinds of wisdom, one that's of the devil. That's right. And the other's godly wisdom. Other godly wisdom.

So submit yourselves to God, resist the devil. That's four or seven. So he gets to 13, and he says, now listen to you who say, today or tomorrow we'll go to this city or this island or, you know, whatever. Carry on business. Make some money. Well, you don't even know what's going to. happen tomorrow. What is your life? You're a miss that appears a little while and then vanishes.

Instead, you ought to say, if it's the Lord's will, we will live and do this as it is. Here's the time it's used. You boast and brag, all such boasting, that's the same word, is evil. Anyone then who knows the good he ought to do

and doesn't do it, sins. And I think it makes sense when you read the 1st John 2 passage. Remember the first lie, Zach? You will be like God. You'll be like God, it's so good. I think as we end on this, I was, you know, Jason, Jason and I were talking. I guess in the dug wine we were together, I can't remember. He pulled this first on me, the one, and this is not from the father, but from the world. We were, no, we were in the, I remember we were in the layer talking,

and we were having a little impromptued Bible study. And you mentioned this. We were talking about different theologies that would say that somehow sin originates with God's sovereignty or something. And we were like, you brought this first up. Like, that's ridiculous. Sin could never originate with God. And I think what we're talking about here is you think about something so heinous like the Epstein files and whatever went down and all the power players that were involved. Here's the thing you can be rest assured. And that is not from God.

That's the whole point. It's outside of the will of God. Does God allow it? he allowed it obviously, but that is not under the rule and the reign of God's will. It almost seems like it's anti-Jesus, which he addresses in the next paragraph. Anti-Christ. All right, we're out of time. Who is the Antichrist next episode? Now we're getting into it. See you next time.

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