Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1270 | The Only Answer to the Coming AI Apocalypse

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

As headlines warn that artificial intelligence could upend jobs, industries, and even human identity, Jase, Al, and Zach take a sober look at why the AI age feels so apocalyptic. From stock market panic to viral deepfakes and doomsday predictions, the guys acknowledge that massive cultural shifts are coming. But instead of giving in to a tailspin of fear, they pivot to Revelation and the steady promise that no technological revolution can dethrone Jesus. In a world drowning in information but starving for meaning, communion, love, and knowing Christ are the only answers that outlast every empire, every innovation, and every so-called “end of the world.” In this episode: Revelation 1, verse 1; Revelation 1, verses 4–8; Revelation 3, verse 3; Revelation 22, verses 7, 17, 20; Daniel 7; Ephesians 3, verse 10; 1 Thessalonians 4, verses 16–17; 2 Thessalonians 1; John 14 “Unashamed” Episode 1270 is sponsored by: https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al lost 80+ pounds. Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900 and mention "AL" https://ruffgreens.com — Get a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your dog today when you use promo code Unashamed! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Chapters: 00:00 SAS Apocalypse & AI Panic 05:10 The Market Reacts to Artificial Intelligence 12:30 AI Fear vs. Resurrection Hope 19:40 Organic Bible Studies Will Be More Common 26:45 Is Anything Online Even Real Anymore? 33:50 Revelation: “He Is Coming Soon” 44:15 Judgment, Love & the Coming of Jesus 52:00 AI Can’t Replace Communion 59:00 A Dollar General Love Lesson — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't have the Rolodex. So you got to, when you come up there, you never know what you're going to get. I don't have it like, but it's an open book. Yeah, it's an index. It's an open book, all right? I don't have tabs like Zach. There's tabs.

The way he dresses and carries himself, there's a tab for that. there's no tab what does that mean well you put yourself in a box when you try to declare what you're wearing is like some kind of statement i've got a gray sweater on what are you talking about what does that declare i can't that hat i don't even know what the hat says that's but if i see somebody with a hat like that i think he needs to get out in the woods more my hat came from my wife who gave it to me as a gift that she got for free when she was at a speaking event in Alabama. Oh, is that what you're doing for Valentine's Day? Because you know, you know what I really? She just gave it. I mean, she was down there. Let me see what it says on it.

It says per cell farms, Alabama, and she met this family of spirit-filled believers. And I wanted to support them, Jace, but I mean, hey. Well, and I'm sure they're listening today. They're probably excited to know that. But he said there was a tab for that. That's the part I didn't understand. What's the, what do you? You said you don't live with tabs, and there's a tab. He's tabless.

Yeah, I'm tabless. People look at me and they're like, hmm, I wonder what that's all about. I like that. I don't know if they say the latter. They probably do ask the first question. What's that about? Yeah. Well.

Because it's, you know, I don't care what people think is what I'm saying. Yeah. So I don't. So, Jay's, it's been an interesting three weeks, though, Jase. We haven't talked about, and I know at first people are going to be turned off by this discussion, but I do want to talk about something that's happened in the last three weeks. See, that's the part you've got to solve. You're like, I know, Pete, you're too concerned about what people think.

You just got to, you know, worry about what God thinks and just let it happen. Just do it. Well, I don't want the people to be bored, and I don't, this is. is not, it's going to sound boring. Who cares? But it's not. And it's about the stock market. Have you been, I know you keep, I don't keep up with it like you do, but you keep up with it,

but I think there's a fascinating thing happening in the marketplace right now. You're talking about 50K? What do you need to know? I'm talking about that all these SaaS companies, which stands for software as a service, are just, you know what they're calling it. You know how to find fast. I had no idea he's going to bring this up. You know what they're calling it?

The SAS Apocalypse? Yeah. That's like the idea. No, people love to take spiritual principles. That's a Greek word, Apocalypse. And it means to reveal. But they're like, since it's in a book where there's a lot of judgments going on, because people don't realize if you're a God of love,

there has to be judgment, has to be, because there has to be a standard of righteousness, of what's right, truth. So if you didn't do anything about things that are wrong, well, you wouldn't really be loving or righteous or just. So, but anyway, yeah, so they call that, but Zach, what they do is somebody, these people who write all these articles and all this, that means they're, They want to buy a bunch of these very good SaaS companies. So you see it and say, oh, no, there's apocalypse coming.

I need to sell all these companies. And then they just pick them up. I bought whatever you sold. I bought it. I was that guy on the other side because you got to remember the stock market. When you sell something, somebody else got to buy it. When somebody buys something, somebody's selling it. So there's a 50-50 chance that you're.

you're right or you're wrong. Yeah. Well, here's the part that's interesting to me. So I get a call from our good friend, Gary, who you went duck hunting with and you referenced him on the podcast a few weeks back. He said Jace was smarter than me and you, by the way. I got a little different story when I talked to Gary about that. But we, I'm not going to quite levy that claim yet. I think we thought. Sorry, you're saying that statement was embellished on this podcast? What Gary said was, he said, I did not say he was smarter than y'all.

I said that he is very smart. And he said, I just complimented him and said he was brilliant, but I'd never made the comparison. I've gotten lost in this story. Who's saying who's smarter than who? This was a conversation. You said that. You said that Gary said that. And then I guess he was at Celebrate Recovery, and someone came up to him.

He said, yeah. He said, well, I listened to that. Shane podcast and they were talking about you told him the story. Gary thinks that I'm offended, which I'm like, Gary, how long have you known me? I said, even if you did say that he was smarter than me, I would not be offended by that. And I would actually expect him to say something like that. So the fact that he even called to make things right, I'm doing air quotes. Anyway, so he called me about. Your exact line, because I'm a recorder of things in my mind, your exact line was, oh, by the way, Gary's also full of crap. So that was your line.

Now I feel bad for saying that after he... I don't even remember that story or what you're talking about. So I'm representing the audience. So what is the point of this story? Well, that guy, that was a rabbit hole. The real point of the stories that he called me and he was talking about this sell-off in these SaaS companies. And one of the reasons why there's been the sell-off, he was like, it's just funny that the whole stock markets figured out in a moment the implications of

AI and how artificial intelligence now is going to, I mean, the theory is and the fear and the selloff is that it's going to make software companies obsolete because now you can get on an AI bot and you literally, if you have no coding experience whatsoever, in 15 minutes you can create a software that would have taken you hundreds of thousands of dollars in months to build. You can do it now in 15 minutes. And he was talking about this. And I was like, man, it's interesting to you say that because one of my friends just called me. Like literally, like two days ago, it was like, he said, hey, I got on this AI bot called Claude.

And he said, I was able to develop an entire CRM, which is like a database that manages like customers to his customers. He said, I gave it the instructions. And within 15 minutes, I had a working, well, 15 minutes. And they had to take another hour to implement it through some. I don't know how it works. But he said, I said, I. had the software that I could use. And I just thought that was interesting.

And in some level, the market like figures this out in a moment. But what I thought was interesting, because everyone's been asking the question, like, what's going to happen as AI advances? And if you read a lot of the literature around this, it's kind of scary. Like, it is apocalyptic in some of the predictions of what AI is going to do. but it's interesting to me that where all of that money went, when it left these SaaS companies that went into these stocks, I looked it up, they called them Halo stocks.

Have you heard that term, Jase? No, Zach. Yes, I've heard of halos. So the halo stocks are, they're real world assets, plants, stores, infrastructure. And I just thought how interesting it is that in a world that We're going to be inundated with like this information. Even in the stock market, you're seeing this,

it's going to be a return back to something you can actually put your hands on, a return back to what's real. I just found that to be such an interesting metaphor for where we're headed. I don't know if you've thought through any of that. I know you look at stocks a lot. I don't think, I wonder if you guys have thought about the social implications. Well, before Jay's comments, because he'll have something to say, the entire time you were just talking,

I was looking over here with the clock, which was a couple of minutes. I was hearing the Charlie Brown teacher from the old Charlie Brown show. Do you remember Charlie Brown? Wong, ww, ww, waw. It wasn't. It wasn't. Everything you were saying, right, was going into my ears, and my brain was just rejecting it. So that's my comment.

Are you not keeping up with any of the AI stuff? Like, you haven't read anything and it's not scaring you or maybe exciting you or. Yeah, I know nothing. I'm nothing child to know. So I'll comment. Yeah, you comment, Judge, because all I heard was Charlie Brown's teacher. Well, I think what scares people is because AI has godlike qualities. You can get all this information.

It's an endless. So they're like, ooh, doomsday scenario, which always tends to make the market volatile. But think about it. The worst case scenario, Mario, so let's say AI does take over the world and somehow destroys it. Well, that's where the resurrection of Jesus comes. It doesn't really matter. Yeah, does it really matter what your portfolio says if we figure out a way to destroy

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So I, now look, if you ask a market question, it's kind of like the famous investor said. You don't know who has clothes on until the tide goes out. And that was a stock reference because you tend to see which companies, you know, hold up under this kind of scrutiny on these doom's scenario so you know I sold a couple but I've mostly been buying the quality ones and guess what today is like the first day I've seen them turn around like all of a sudden if you look at it today all those companies you're saying boy they're they're way up what happened what happened to aI scenario it's just a game but uh you know with real money so I'm not worried about that but I do think it's a great segue into the old

ultimate portfolio holding, which would be the resurrection of Jesus via the Holy Spirit. So I think that's why I'm good at doing the stock. Well, I mean, I look at like cultural shifts, and there's been some, obviously throughout history, there's been massive like cultural shifts where something, like when we came into the Industrial Revolution, that was, I mean, that changed the world. Or when the printing press was invented, I mean, that's a lot. I mean, that fundamentally changed the way that we live in reality. And it is, I think there is a lot of fear, you know, at least in the circles I'm running in, a lot of people have fear over it.

I mean, a lot of people, I'm actually very encouraged because I've been reading on this a lot lately, that every time that there's a massive shift, maybe it's an advancement in technology that just happens rapidly that really changes the way we do things. and there's a massive shift in the way the world interacts. The Holy Spirit seems to have always provided a counter-reformation to that. And I actually think a lot of what we talk about in this podcast is going to be realized in a very meaningful way. Because I would say the core of what we're talking about in this podcast is centered on things like the priesthood of believers, that your body's a temple of the Holy Spirit, that God doesn't live in temples built by man's hands. everything is about like getting out and getting very localized in the presence of God. And I think that's going to be more, that's going to be a valuable commodity in the near future

is what you can put your hands on, face-to-face interactions, real dinner around a real table. You know what I mean? These are going to be things that we're going to value in a much more meaningful way. So I think that the church is going to really, is poised to really step into this cultural moment. and maybe provide a real place of hope for people. Well, you know, it's funny, Zach, because I had a Bible study this week in the interim of us recording from last time to this time with an older lady here in Gulf Shores.

And, you know, she had a lot of questions. And she asked something I never thought about. It's kind of in with what you just said. She said, what about, you know, we were talking about eternity. And, you know, everybody wonders about heaven and hell. And, you know, we've been talking about that. And she said, how will people interact in eternity when they came from different eras on the earth? Well, first she asked me like, where is everybody going to, you know, how is the earth going to be big enough for heaven, big enough for everybody?

And I said, well, I don't think it's going to be a space problem. I think we'll be fine. Even the earth is not quite full, you know, even now, even though we never had this many people. But I had never thought about the idea of interacting with people. people from, you know, thousands of years ago eras, because, you know, it would be very strange. Like the era we live in in the 21st century is so different than even the first century or then you go back to BC and talk to people. That's going to be an interesting catch-up, I guess, just to talk what we're going to talk about because this will be very different.

You know, from somebody from the Egyptian era of, you know, 3,000 years before Christ versus is what we're seeing now. Because like you said, now the advancements seem to be happening much quicker in terms of, you know, how you deal with stuff. I mean, we weren't even, we were on horses, you know, just, you know, not, not a blink ago, you know, it just wasn't that far, that long go. So it is interesting in terms of how much that's going to advance. And dad and I used to talk about this a lot. We both kind of had the idea that things are advancing so quickly that maybe the end is nearer than not, you know, just because how far does it go? How far does it go before it's like we're done? And so we used to always think that. And, you know, in fact, we thought for a long time

dad did that we may see the coming, you know, in our lifetime. And of course, it didn't happen in his, but who knows, I guess we'll see. Well, it is going to have, I think the way technology is advancing in this, I mean, I know whether you want to look at it or not. I mean, it, like, it's going to have profound implications on how we do life. And I think it's going to have profound implications, like in the immediate and near future. Like, it's, I think the pace and acceleration of the advancement and the artificial intelligence and large language models are,

it is advancing rapidly. And there's a lot of tasks that, you know, we're not going to do anymore. Yeah, Elon Musk wrote that recently that we weren't going to be working in 10 years. five to ten years, I think he said. And that's a pretty bleak future. And I don't think that that's going to be the case. Like, that's a hog watch.

Huh? I mean, but I mean, would you have thought that you could create a sophisticated software with an AI bot with having no experience? Well, what about when an ice storm comes and trees fall everywhere? Now, granted, I looked around and thought that's very, very few people working on my street, but then I realized I know all these people. And so it may be a motivation problem, maybe a tools problem. But you know, Jay's you're right.

And people were back out there gathering wood and trying to figure out how to keep warm. I've been living like it's 1924 the last three weeks. I mean, I go out and basic assessment. essentials doing a lot of love your neighbor programs. It's probably the most physical labor I've done in quite a while. I'm so sore this morning. I mean, it took me five minutes to get out of bed. But I have run a chainsaw.

Now, you're like, well, what if you didn't have a chainsaw? Well, I'd use an axe. Yeah. But you just, you know, you basically, one of the reasons my wife loves that she chose me, now she didn't realize it at the time. but she's developed she's come along and she's like i tend to thrive when there's no electricity or you know we the groceries you can't there's no groceries that that that panic moment because i'm like oh we'll survive i mean i can catch a fish i can you can run it down the tree yeah yeah country boy

but not everybody's a country boy i mean you got to think it not everybody's a country but guess what but zach guess what guess who's been knocking on my door for the last last three weeks. Yep, exactly. Non-country boys. What are they wanting? They want some help. That's what I'm saying.

We just went from Hank Williams, Jr. to Morgan Wiley. We need some help. Yeah, I hadn't just been cleaning up my yard. I've been cleaning up everybody's yard around there. So, I don't know. I think these doomsday scenario, at the end of the day, were humans.

Well, you know what I'm thinking about, Jay's, I was talking about the, remember when we were changing over from 1999 to 2000, and it was the same thing. It was like, the whole thing's going to fold, you know, all the computers are going to just reject us and everything's going to shut down. It's going to be an apocalypse. Remember all the Doomsday 2000 stuff? And then it just, it came, and then it was like, me. It was just a man.

Yeah, I think this is, this is different, though. I don't think this is, I think. we are going to see a massive shift. Now, what I would say is it's not a doomsday, though, because I do believe that the Holy Spirit will provide a counter-reformation to whatever is going on that's going to be more beautiful. I operate off this premise. I think you can see this in Scripture that it seems to me that the Lord has

continued to deconsolidate like the kingdom, meaning like he's, it's not centralized in a room somewhere where you've got about 10 guys determined. and everything for everybody. That's true. I mean, they were in an upper room at one point, the birth of kind of Christianity, at least, post-resurrection. Yeah, it was very centralized.

They're all in a room together. Jesus appeared to them and all that. But they didn't stay in the upper room. They didn't. And they went out, and then it just started to spread like a wildfire, and you can't even contain it. And then you've had these great church splits, you know, and I don't remember the date.

What was it, 10, 30? six you had what's called the Great Schism. So, Jayce, how have your little dogs? Have they recovered from the recent ice apocalypse that we had come to our neighborhood? It's like they weren't aware that anything ever happened. But I actually fed them this morning with a little man, and he got to experience the booty shaking when I brought out the rough greens. They love it.

Jay's little dogs love it. My dogs love it as well. we have kind of a community of dogs. We have three, and then, of course, Alex has one. And so we feed them. And like Jay's dogs, when we break out the rough greens, they love it. As they get older, they get a little slower, a little pickier. Sometimes their stomachs are just a little off.

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You just cover the shipping. You go to roughgreens.com, use the discount code unashamed. Rough Greens. We make any dog food better. Even, Zach, what we're studying in first John, you're starting to see the first seeds of that where these people are seceding from, you know, everything they've been taught for the first 60 years of the church. You're already seeing it in the scriptures themselves. You're seeing exactly what you're describing.

Well, it keeps pushing it out there. I mean, then you have like the printing press and then that gave, way really to the Reformation movement, which we're all byproduct. But even that didn't hold. I mean, that continued to deconsolidate. And then now we're in the further deconsolidation and like, your little house church is popping up. And it's just going to continue. And it's like the, I love that depiction of the kingdom being like the wind of God, like a wind. And you're like, how do you identify it? Well, you can't see where it's coming from. You don't know where it's going, but you know it's there because you feel its presence. And I think that we're going to, I think what's

happening here is it is scary for a lot of people. And maybe our audience, I think that there's a lot of that listen to are like, yeah, I'm fearful what's to come. But I don't think we should be fearful. I'm not, I'm not claiming it's a doomsday. I am saying that it's going to have a massive impact and then very near future of how the world looks. But I also think that we're going to experience the kingdom of God in a way that we never had either. And so I'm more excited about the anticipation of, okay, how is God going to respond to this? Well, it's like, it was like the, I was telling you about the Bible study I had. It's a typical example of what you're talking about.

There was nothing organized about it. A couple of guys that listened to the podcast, you know, and know that we studied the Bible, had a woman asking them questions. They couldn't, they didn't have answers for. And so they said, they came to me and they said, would you go talk to? And I said, sure. So we go into a, you know, office, a business office, because she owns a business here. And we have a two down where you're living in Gulf Shores.

And so in her office, we sit there and we have a two-hour Bible study. And then she's going to get baptized next time I come back. And so what happens is it's totally organic. I mean, it's like it wasn't part of an organized church. She doesn't attend any place. She just had some questions about God. And I had some answers because I have the Holy Spirit in me and I studied the scripture. And we just had a two-hour discussion.

So to your point, you can't get any more organic than that, which is really kind of how it all began, right? That's the idea of it. We know Jesus, the Holy Spirit lives in us. We do study, so we have a general knowledge of wonderful things. And we keep learning. We never stop, which is why we keep doing this podcast, right? If you guys see a video online anywhere and it pops up and it's like somebody caught in the act of doing something illegal or whatever, like you can see that on your Instagram feed or Facebook feed or anywhere.

And you know what my like if I was saw that same video five years ago, I'd have been like, oh my gosh, they're done. You know the first thought that pops in my head now anytime I see a video about anything that's like controversial or provocative, the first thing that pops from my mind is, is it real? Is this fake? Is this real? And so all this information that's coming at us right now,

because of artificial intelligence, it's provided a way to produce massive amounts of information and content that we don't really know what's real and what's not real. And so this is one of the areas I think that where the eschatology that we've been teaching on this podcast comes in, what's going to be really valuable in the coming future and that very near future and even now is not how big you can make your presence online? it's not going to even be in like the content you produce. It's going to be in face-to-face interactions because I don't know what if I'm looking at on the screen is real, but I know when I got someone sitting right across the couch from me and we're talking about Jesus, I know that's real.

And I think those moments are going to become more of a commodity, a valuable commodity in the future life together, communion, sitting around a table, good food, you know, eating off the land, Apollosia Cappas. Jay's your lifestyle is going to be like that's the new that's that's that's the that's what's coming well uh I feel like I need to do a rabbit hole for Jesus here because if you're worried or fearful about what's coming this is when I hear that kind of language I think about the book of revelation and it's so weird that you know you brought up the sass apocalypse

well the English word for that is revelation so let me use give you the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. That's Revelation 1-1. So three times, he says something about him coming. In the first chapter, he says, where's the first time I'm doing this off the top of my head? And he says he's coming soon, right? Yeah, grace, yeah, soon, which, you know, I've looked up that word before. It's like, we tend to think time, because we're like, well, why is he saying soon? But it's like, suddenly, without a notice, it's like, you know, be ready.

So he says in verse four, grace and peace to you from him who is and who was and who is to come. So whatever this revelation is, it's from the one who is to come. Then in verse 7, he quotes a famous verse, or he introduces a verse where he's going to quote it in verse 13, Daniel chapter 7. But it says, look, he is coming with the clouds and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him and all the peoples of the earth. earth will mourn because of him. And then verse 8 says, I am the alpha, and the omega says, Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come. Why does he keep bringing this up?

What I find fascinating is, if you go to the last chapter of this revelation, this revealing apocalypse, he says in chapter 22 and verse 7, behold, I am coming soon. Suddenly, Blessed is the one who keeps the words of this prophecy in this book. Then in verse 17, it says, the spirit and the bride, who's the bride? A group of people married to Jesus says, come. And let him who hears say, come. Whoever's thirsty, let him come. And whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

So then he goes down to verse 20 and says, He who testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming soon. And then it triggers a response from said bride, the people who have married this Jesus. Amen. Look what they say. Come, Lord Jesus.

So you say, what is the book of Revelation about? I know one thing it's about the certainty that the Lord Jesus is coming. This is not something that we're just, you know, we say hope, but this is an assurance that we look forward that we're ready. And even in the testimony to the seven churches, these supposed lamp stands, these candlesticks that are supposed to reflect the light, of said marriage partner, which is Jesus. Isn't that interesting?

This picture that you get of that? He says in there, look, he kind of gives a description of the churches, and they're all kind of summed up in, you know, what's your focus? Are you reflecting the light? What's your behavior like in these message to the churches? And what is your view on how much you love me? you know what what are you doing in all these seven churches but even that like chapter three he says uh where does he say i'll come to you so he gives them yeah look at verse three of chapter

three remember therefore what you have received and heard obey it and repent but if you do not wake up i will come like a thief and you will not know at what time i will come to you so it's like you have this overall vision of jesus coming back and we're ready. And we're saying, come Lord Jesus. But then on earth. What's the word?

Maranatha? That's the phrase. We're calling. And even that declaration, Jace, it is an end-time view of what's coming, but we're saying come now, too. That's why I brought up chapter three. And it's other places in these messages.

There is a coming in judgment. And it starts with, Remember when Peter said, you know, judgment begins with the family of God. And there's a reason this whole revelation apocalypse starts off of the message to these seven real churches. And it gives you an idea, because we've been talking about light and darkness in 1st John, that we're supposed to emit the light of a person, the Godhead. That's what we do. He uses people to shine the light.

And even in the pictures of chapter four and five, this throne in heaven, I mean, what I find fascinating, we talk about earth and heaven coming together, and that being a central theme. Well, these churches are on earth, and then all of a sudden you have a vision of these thrones, this throne in heaven, and you realize, oh, heaven and earth is working together right now to show the light of the glorious God that we serve. Jesus at the right hand, us on earth. That's the picture. Ephesians 310,

through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is being revealed to the heavenly realms and the earthly realm. Yeah, so I think all this answers really the three questions of life that I've been sharing through Bible studies for 30 years. How did we get here? What are we doing here?

Or, you know, who are we with? Because when we talk about all this power of knowledge and AI, you know, there's something to be said about it's not what you know, it's who you know. Oh, that's good. And the third question is, well, what happens next? You know, where are we going? What's happening?

And that's why I think, unlike a lot of religion does, there's very little in the Bible that says that, you know, about us going to heaven. It usually says we're going to be with the Lord. You know, you think about First Thessalonians 4 talking about this coming. I mean, you're not going to get a more accurate depiction of this come Lord Jesus than First Thessalonians 4 when he says, and you're familiar, but I just want to make one point here. When he says, verse 13, We do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope.

We believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus, those who have fallen asleep in Him will bring with Jesus. That's implying he's coming back, right? And he's bringing those who have fallen asleep in Him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive and are left, uh-oh, till the coming of the Lord

will certainly not perceive those who have fallen asleep for the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. This is the apocalypse that I'm concerned about. Yeah, more than any other as a reality. After that, we who are alive and our left

will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. But here's the key point. And so we will be with the Lord forever. He's not so much focused on a place. It's who you're getting to be with forever. And this all comes from, remember when he said in John 14? But Jay's, before you go, your next verse,

if you go over to Second Thessalonians chapter one, he mentions again to the Thessalonians what you just read from his first letter. and then he paints a picture for people that aren't ready, and that'll be the worst. For those who are in crisis, the best day of your life, because it's the transition, but for those who aren't,

it's the worst day of your life because he says it brings judgment and it brings finality. Yeah, that's why I brought up revelation. I mean, yeah, it's, judgment is the obverse of having a loving God. It's just, and that's for Thessalonians 5'4,

Which, we're quick, though. The place, it's not primary, but it is part of it. It's just that the place only matters when you're with the person of Jesus and his presence. Because the earth and the cosmos is going to be the place where God's going to dwell with his people. And that's, so the idea is the place becomes relevant when heaven meets the place. When heaven and the earth meet, now all of a sudden, the earth is like, like, whoa, and the picture of the end of apocalypse, there's, we're, we're experiencing many microversions of that now. And this, that's the, that's the not yet, right? We're not there yet.

But I mean, there is a, I'm sorry, that's the now. There isn't, not yet. That's the end time. But there, we're, we're experiencing this tension now. It's a tension now. It won't be a tension when we fully live in the presence of Christ. Well, that's my point. I mean, look, it's Valentine's Day is upon us. And it's like, Like, you know, AI is going to have trouble, you know, kissing my wife on the cheek. And they're like, oh, yeah, no, we're going to create this. You know, it's not good. My wife told me interesting story.

She had the, we had a little man's birthday, and she had to bring, you know, when they go to school, on their birthday, they get to bring, you know, a prize for all the other kids to, because it's a birthday. So she's up last minute, you know, getting a cake to bring to the school. She told him something funny. She was like, I see all these cakes, and she actually found one. Kids into dinosaurs. She bought the cake. She had the dinosaurs. But she said, but everything, there was all this Valentine's Day stuff.

And she's like, you're not going to believe what I saw. I was like, what's that? She said, so here's all these Valentine's, you know, I love you, our love lasts forever, you know. And she's going down through the list looking. I was like, oh, you were thinking about me, huh, babe? She's like, yeah. She's like, the last, the last, the last. on the end said, dump him.

Dump him. Dump him. Dump cake. She said, no, not dumped cake. Dump him. And I thought, they're selling that at a store? And she said, I thought it was hilarious. I was like, who's going to buy this?

Somebody will buy it. That's why there was only one left. And the fact, the more I listened to this and thought about it, the more convicted I was, We're so sensitive. You know, even I was like, I can't believe they have that for sale. Who would buy that? She's like, you know, it's a bunch of girlfriends. Like, if somebody's dating a guy and they're sending her a message, I was like,

they're not going to pay money for that. This is not going to end well. But then I thought, I think we're too sensitive. There are some people that should buy a cake that says, dump him. He's no good. You know? I thought it was true. And that's my point about you're going to have trouble, I think, with AI discerning some of this.

It doesn't work. At the end of the day, me and my wife, I don't care where we live. I'm not concerned about the place. Are we together? That's the more important issue. And I think the Bible really speaks about that. People read this and think about how many arguments of all this knowledge and all these capabilities. and some people read the whole Bible and they miss the point that this is a person.

I mean, I think that is going to be a massive implication of what's going to happen. It's going to expose what you just articulated in this way. When you think about, you said a phrase, I've read it down because I'm going to use it later, but it's not about what you know, it's about who you know. And you've always heard that use in terms of like, if you want something done in this city, anything about what you know, you got the right connections, you can get anything done. It's kind of like that.

That's the idea behind it, right? If I got the right connections, I know the right people and get it done. But it does ring true with where we're headed, because with artificial intelligence, you can formulate any idea that you possibly can think about. Like you can enter it into your chat box, and it'll give you whatever thought or theological idea,

whatever it is. But you put that in and say, give me a rebuttal. to this. It'll give you that too. And then you say, give me a rebuttal to this. Well, it'll get and it'll just keep doing this forever and ever. And everybody's going to be an expert in everything all at the same time where what's going to happen in that moment is it's going to make a lot of that stuff that we've hung our hat on, right? That we've hung our hat on these ideas that we hold and we have, we figured this thing out. And that's going to be less valuable. What's going to

be more valuable is what you just said, what AI can never do is kiss your wife. Communion. AI can never engage in communion, period. It can't do it. So now you look back at the Garden of Eden, you think, what were you doing in the beginning? We were having communion with God. The thing that we were created to do now is going to be one of the only things left that we can do that is real meaningful. And in a world that has, you know, one author said we're flooded with endless amounts of data, yet we are drowning in data, yet we are thirsting for meaning. And that's such a a true statement that I think that that relational knowledge, not the knowledge of I have the right information, the relational knowledge, the communion is that's what's going to be valuable. Zach, I've got the perfect story that illustrates what you just said. So someone ran over the water meter in my daughter's yard in Alex's yard and broke it, broke something inside there. And so it's leaking water. And so, you know, they called. the water company and they can't get through and it took a while and finally they get somebody

because everything's automated now. The bill comes. Somebody reads the meter. Nobody's really ever just like communicating with you about your utilities anymore. And so it took, it took like weeks for someone to finally show up and they did. And when they did, they took everything out of the hole and they just left it on the yard for another week and came back. And it was just all this back and forth. They didn't fix it. And so water's running. So then they get a water bill for $750. And they're like, we can't, we can't pay this water bill. So they start calling and trying to tell somebody, look, this was broken and your people didn't fix.

They can't get anybody. Then somebody comes out and turns their water off because they didn't pay their water bill. All this is automated. Nobody has spoken to anybody except for the one day somebody showed up and then didn't fix the problem. And so this is going on back and forth. And so now, you know, we get, Alex said they've cut my water off and I can't get a hold to anybody. So Lisa gets on the phone and calls a guy that we all know. there used to be a police jurorman, because we know he knows everybody in town.

And she said, here's my problem. And he says, oh, I know the guy. I know the guy who owns that company. And look, it's a problem because this water company has all these issues and all that. But I will get in touch with somebody. Somebody will call your daughter tomorrow. And they did. And once she talked to a woman who works there and heard the story, the water's turned back on,

everything's worked out. the, you know, we're not going to charge you the $750.50. We're going to, all it took was a person who knew somebody else. And then the connection was made and the problem was fixed. And it's exactly what you're describing in a spiritual sense. That's knowing Jesus, right? Everything else like this automation and AI and the stuff that's fake and the stuff that's real.

But if you know the person who then can make the connection, that's what's going to fix your problem. That's good. Well, it's like you brought up, you started. started this whole conversation that I had no idea we were fixed to talk about, about the stock market. Sasspocalypse, Chase. That's the name of this episode. But if you look back over 100 years, just think about what this country's gone through.

And yet what happened to the stock market? I mean, we're talking about depression, wars, all this stuff. And guess what everybody said? Oh, no. Oh, no, guess what that thing has done since its inception? It's gone up. It's gone up and to the right. So people like me, I'm just looking at it because you're like, well, what's going to stop it?

Well, either I die or Jesus comes back. Over 100 years, I think we pretty much met every challenge. That's why I told you, it's kind of a playpen for rich people. They have so much money, they're not going to let the thing die because they enjoy it. It's fun. They don't have anything else to do with their money. But every economy, every power nation in the history of the world at some point has no longer ceased. They've ceased to be the top dogs.

You keep creating the doomsday scenarios. So if the country implodes and just is taken over by another country, the stock market is going to be the least. of your problems. You're going to be trying to catch a fish. My point is, my point is not to create a doomsday scenario. My point is you live in the reality that the world is fading away, but the kingdom of God is advancing. That's what I'm saying.

I take a lot of hope in that. You think about that passage when Jesus talks about hell and the kingdom, and he contrasts the two, he says, hell has gates. He said the kingdom doesn't have gates. the kingdom storms the gates of hell. And furthermore, the gates of hell will not prevail against the coming of the kingdom. And so what did CS Lewis say? The gates of hell are locked from the inside?

I thought was a really interesting idea. I love that quote. But my point is, seek first the kingdom of God, realize that this fleshly existence, and I don't mean the skin. I just mean whatever word we want to use. to describe being trapped in our mortality, that you're going to die.

If you live long enough, you're going to sin, and if you live long enough, you're going to die, which is why Jesus came down here to kind of destroy that aspect of human living and create a new humanity. It is a new humanity that he introduced. As you mentioned the Daniel 7, It's really interesting, Zach, you just said, about the empires that once ruled the world.

They're all still here. What's interesting is, like, you look back at Egypt, you know, Egypt's still over there. They're still Egyptians. When you look at Rome, Rome's still there. Italy's still the country. They've got the Olympics there. Athens is still there. The Greeks are still there, but they're not what they once were.

But look, it's new pick. Look, you know what the most common phrase in Egypt? is. Do you all know? This is trivia. I don't know this. I do not know that. I can't believe y'all don't know this.

The most common phrase in Egypt? Yeah. They say, well, clock in Egypt? No, no. They say, they point and say, remember that time we built those pyramids?

Yeah, that's the most common. No matter what happens, and point over it and say, remember that time when we built those pyramids? You don't think I googled that. That just came right off the top of my head. No, we don't think you Googled that. We don't think that now.

No, I do not think that. Look at this. I'm going to show you my computer screen. It's been that way for the last 45 minutes. It's just a black space. No, my point is people die. All those people that you're talking about, oh, all these nations.

Well, now there's new people, to Al's Point. They're living over there. You're like, these are people made in the image of God that Jesus bought and paid for, which is another revelation verse that he says in chapter, is it chapter 5, that he purchased people from every nation. So it's like, here it is Valentine's Day. We're talking about, oh, you know, AI is around every corner. And you think, what am I going to buy the person I love?

Well, from God's perspective, through Jesus, he bought people for him. And the price was his blood. And I'm saying that tends to take away your fears of whatever. And we're going to get to that in First John 5, you know, first John 4 and 5. But you're right. It is, and it is the relationship, you know, because you mentioned Valentine's Day. So at least I've been super busy down here getting a house ready and doing some things. And so I thought about yesterday, I thought, oh, man, I haven't, you know, she orders stuff for me all the time.

So it shows up in these gifts, but I don't shop online. I don't shop anywhere. So yesterday I went to Dollar General to get some cat food. And they had this Valentine stuff. And so I'm looking in there. And I thought, so I, you know, I started buying these little trinkets. And, you know, it's the Dollar General. And then I went to Walmart for something else. And I bought her a couple of more things.

And here's what's going to be amazing. I don't know what it cost. It wasn't much. It was Dollar General Walmart. So it's not like this was, you know, high dollar. But the fact that I thought about her, the fact that I went to the trouble and bought the little bag and the little stuff that goes in it like women do and make it look nice, the fact that I did this, she'll be more proud of this bag of Dollar General Walmart stuff than me going to the jewelry store and buying her an expensive bracelet or something. And it's because I thought about her. Like because she knew in a moment there was something that about her that made me think, I want to get you something.

I want to do something for you. And really that explains where we're at in First John, this whole idea about that's what love does. That's why God, he says he is love. He extends that to us. And that's greater than any nation. That's greater than any AI. That's greater than anything is to have love and then to exhibit that and aim that at someone other than yourself. I mean, to me, that's really what the whole thing is about.

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