Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1280 | Three Things the Enemy Steals From Every Man & How God Restores Them

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

What if Satan’s strategy against mankind hasn’t changed since the time of Job? The guys examine how the evil one attacks three core areas of a man’s life and how Jesus restores what’s been taken. A ten-second exchange in a meet-and-greet line sparks Jase’s deeper dive into the “new heaven and new earth.” Al and Zach find that the only way to please God isn’t through striving, but through trusting what Jesus has finished. In this episode: Ephesians 5, verse 33; Job 31; Proverbs 31; 1 John 3, verses 1–3; Hebrews 2; 2 Corinthians 12; Matthew 24; Romans 1; 1 Corinthians 15; Romans 6, verses 8–10; 1 Corinthians 1, verse 30; John 20; John 21; Hebrews 9, verses 23–25; John 14; Ephesians 2; Ephesians 6; John 17; Exodus 33; John 1, verses 16–18 “Unashamed” Episode 1280 is sponsored by: https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al lost 80+ pounds. Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900 and mention "AL" http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00 Omaha=LSU North 06:10 Having a Kingdom Marriage 12:35 Job’s Threefold Loss 18:45 Marriage Crisis & God’s Timing 23:10 “I’m on a Journey” Conversations 28:20 New Heaven & New Earth Debate 35:00 Resurrection, Atonement & Real Life 44:30 How to Get God’s Approval — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashame. We just got all got back into our proverbial towns from a lot of travelers last week. And Jace on the last podcast mentioned his trip to the triangle and beyond, which was interesting. So, Jace, I was in. I left here and went to Omaha, Nebraska. Oh, I love. I know, I do too. And so when I got up there, like you, I liked to connect to the local people. And I was like, what's up Omaha? You know, I kind of opened like Willie and everybody,

clapsed and cheers. Were they, did you bring it at LSU baseball? Yep. I said, or as I like to call it, LSU North. Yeah. And when I said that, just this big hooping and hollering went on. And so the woman, who was the MC of our event is a city council person for Omaha. And, and, and, and, and, And she said later, after we spoke to us sitting in the audience, we spoke, and then she was wrapping up. And she said, you know, our tax revenue goes up when LSU is in the College World Series. They actually can see the needle move because of so many people coming up to watch LSU baseball. So they love us up there. Florida, not so much.

Well, it sounds like they love our money, yeah. They love our money. But they love us. They said the people from Louisiana are awesome. They said they come up here with their RV. and their stuff, and they cook the whole time they're here. Some of them are there the whole two weeks. They cook, they invite us all in to try their jumble eyes and their gumbos and all their stuff.

They love Louisiana people. They bring the Mardi Gras beads. So we were a big hit there. And then afterwards this woman comes up to me and she says, because I'd made a big deal about LSU baseball. And so, and about the College World Series. Because it is. It's a great thing that there's like a place known for something. like that. I mean, like, they're there. They're the destination place. And she came,

her dad used to be the mayor of Omaha, and she said, we have, we have seats the first row right behind home plate. And I thought about you because you were like, on the second. On the second. So right in front of that is this family has some seats there. And she says, if LSU comes back, she said, I got a seat for you and your wife. And I was like, whoa. I said, can I get your nowhere? It's like, that was worth the whole trip. That was worth the whole I mean, sharing Jesus, very important. Front row seats at the LSU.

I thought the exact same. I mean, they've started off the season at this point in time, which may be later by the time it comes out. They actually play their night. There are 8-0, which doesn't mean a whole lot at this stage of the season. Right, it's early. But have you watched any of the games? I've watched a couple.

I've watched them all. I love seeing, okay, we got the new people with the, you know, and the ones that were there. I finally went to Internet TV. We're pretty good. Yeah, so then I figured I had to watch them on a regular basis. Yeah, that I'm – I got off direct TV, and I'm on just Internet TV now. And, you know, who did is that, Melissa?

Because I just – I'm a dinosaur on TV. I just didn't want to mess with anything. But then I saw much where I was paying just a fortune for this TV that I was never watching. I only watched, like, three things. And so she showed me how to do it on the Internet with the YouTube TV or whatever. And I'm just, wow, it's an idiot. I've been paying on this money forever. Yeah.

I just – I'm a dinosaur. about this kind of stuff. I just don't get it. We were talking, y'all were talking about stocks earlier. I just, you know, well, you never got into the AI.

I was telling you, you know. Yeah, it missed me. The whole thing. The evolution, yeah, the AI, Mario, you know, I, I miss the whole thing. Yeah.

But it's, well, let me just say this in a, in a cage match, if you have AI versus D.I. D.I.

Is that DIA? Divine. Divine intelligence. Divine intelligence. And see, I'm just like my Aunt Jan. I'm living in D-I, not A-I. Oh, yeah. My mom would not participate in any of, I mean,

when the internet was invented by Al Gore, she said, I'm not participating. And she never participated. They're like Phil. Phil never participated, except Phil did it vicariously through Dan the Butler and others. And us and you, yeah. Yeah, so he would kind of sit up on the perch, you know, the nest. He'd be like, he'd perch up himself above us and say,

I'm not participating, but yet. He had his, well, he told you, Zach, he said, Zach, he said, get me on that internet. That's what he said. So I went from Omaha to our marriage retreat that the church does. So we had to fly straight in. And it was really hairy because they had a unplanned, and I say unplanned meeting like the day before was the first time it came on the radar. are about a 7-inch snow event, the night of our event. And I'm like, oh, man, because, you know, these things pop up like this, and you get stuck places.

You know, you can't get out of there. So I'm trying to get to my next stop. But we made it. But we had to sit on the plane for an hour. We almost missed our next thing because they got to de-ice and, you know, all the stuff that happened. But I got out of there. And so we got to Little Rock and rented a car and then drove. And we came in on, I mean, two wheels hot because the thing.

The event started at one. We got there at 115. So, I mean, we're just barely making it to the next thing. But I wanted to bring this up because I knew y'all would love this. So the theme this year, and I didn't know anything, I was just like Jason travel. Like, I've been out of the loop so much at our church because I've been on the road so much that I hadn't planned anything. I hadn't been in a single meeting. I didn't even know the theme until like two days before what they were even going to be talking about or what I was supposed to do.

I mean, this was literally just on the fly. But Lisa and I do marriage stuff all the time So it wasn't like, you know, we weren't pressured, but it was just like normally I would know. But the theme this year was called kingdom marriage. And it was all about the kingdom, which we've been living here on the podcast. So I was like, ooh, yeah, kingdom marriage.

I'm liking the sound of this. And so we come in, that's the theme. The stuff was fantastic. Anna and Trey Tomlinson, which, as you guys are close to Anna and Trey as well. They're a wonderful couple that went through a rough marriage. like Lisa and I did, but now are amazing. They lead our marriage ministry at our church.

And so they plan the whole retreat. But they just set the framework that, you know, a marriage works, if it's a kingdom of marriage, because you've got a kingdom man and a kingdom woman. You know, people that have that consistent consistency in Christ, and then that carries over into marriage. So that was our theme. But now it's funny because we've got,

I would say probably at the marriage retreat, which is our church that puts it on. And they do it now two weekends because we have so many people coming. But I would say half the group there or not from West Monroe. They're from some other place. They all drove in, Michigan.

They were there from everywhere. And a lot of them are listeners of the podcast. And I told you all this before we came on the air that when I asked him how many listen to the podcast when Lisa and I spoke, 75% of the hands went up in this audience of people. And this is only a small sampling. It was about 50 couples.

but still I was like, wow. And I was like, so I started asking, I mean, do you like just occasionally listen to there? Oh, no, we're caught up. We just heard Sai, you know, the latest episode. And I was like, that's 1,200 in. So these folks are listening, which was great. But Lisa and I shared, and one of the things that we did

is one of our presentations we do about kingdom marriage. And it's funny because we do this, because it's out of Ephesians 533, which says that the wife must, the husband must love his wife, as Christ love the church, and the woman must respect her husband, Ephesians 533. And so you get that concept out of the same way we are with Christ, right?

We bow down, we submit to him, and therefore, you know, then we understand his love for us and what he does. And so we make the same comparison of marriage. And so we come out of Job 31 and Proverbs 31. And I was talking about Job, and I had never framed it like this before, but I thought it was really good

and the people I talked with afterwards helped him was that Job, going back to Joe, because my thing is out of Job 31, which is him defending his character, but if I'm that kind of guy, then I'm going to be pretty respectable. The idea is, if Lisa's supposed to respect me, I need to be a respectable man, the kingdom man.

If she's supposed to be loved by me as Christ loves the church, then she needs to be lovable, you know, so that's kind of the way we do it. And, but I, you know, You know, Job, the evil one comes in a taxi. Remember, because there's a conversation in heaven. And God's like, I mean, you know, consider my servant Job, you know, he's a good guy. And the evil one took, first of all, everything he had, he had worked for.

And you know, and you think about that as a man. I mean, you know, you build things and you work hard for things. And the things you accomplish, you're proud of those things. All gone. All gone in a swoop. And then the next thing he took was everything he loved, his children, and even his wife, because she just, she totally disrespected him. It was like, I don't know what you did, but like, you need curse God and die. I mean, when you lose the wife, you've lost a lot.

So he lost everything he loved. And then the third thing is if that wasn't enough, he took his health. So it was everything he is because as a man, as men, I mean, I value my strength and my health as much as anything. I mean, it's the one thing that keeps me going every single day. And sometimes it's, hell's not so great. But, I mean, you have to, that's the one thing you're like, to keep going forward, I need that. And he took that. Yeah.

Pretty good, Al. I mean, yeah, that would be it. The evil one takes everything you have, everything you love, and everything you are. Yeah. I was at our marriage refresh this last weekend, Jace. Some of these folks were from out of town. They had not seen me. And so they were like, where's the rest of Al?

And so I told him, I said, if you're wondering, you know, how much severance. 75 or 80 pounds is because that's how much I lost. If you're a man here, that's a sack and a half of deer corn. Yeah. If you're a woman here, that's the top cheerleader on the pyramid. You know, it's around that 75 to 80 pounds. If you try it all the different diets, and trust me, I have, it always comes back to, do I have enough willpower?

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spite of all that. And he questioned and he had some hard things to ask God. He had some hard times. He was like, God, I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. But at the end of the day, he never cursed him. He never walked away from his relationship with God. He abided, as we talked about in the last podcast. Oh, yeah. In God. So it was an ancient man, you know, that happened that they think Job was like pre-flood even maybe. But he, man, he had some great qualities to teach. So that was kind of my gist as we did our presentation. Well, it kind of shows you the power of the relationship. It's not like you're doing things, you know, because you have to. Right. You're just here to stay no matter what happens. Right. I mean, I think that's the way to wrap your head around your relationship

with God. I mean, we're here to stay. Life is filled with misery. And it was really interesting because the whole weekend, I mean, there were a lot of people there, and I talked to a lot of people, and some came to meet Lisa and I for sure. But, you know, God has an appointment always. There was an older couple at our table and been married for 47 years, but they were there in crisis. And so I wound up spending most of my time with them

and the man in particular dealing with their issues. But, you know, God puts you in places to make an impact on someone's life. And it was just interesting how he worked that out for me to be there for this. guy was like dad's at mom and dad's age. But just shows you that no matter what, you think, you know, we've survived everything, but you never know when the evil one's going to put the test to you. And so that may still be ahead for all of us. So anyway, it was a great weekend. And we went

straight from there up to Bentonville, then to visit our movie set. And we visited the actress and the actor, along with old Coleman, our guy, we went to dinner the night before. And just, really interesting meeting these young people that are playing us in the movie and you know hearing their motivation behind why they love the story and it's really god's story is jesus the story but it was it was really powerful so it was really good what about you zach do you go anywhere interesting i went to jace's second home i went up to nashville and uh i had to do a little business up there but uh yeah it was good we uh had a pretty cool kingdom encounter which i've had to lot of these lately it's been weird on when I travel it's kind of the same theme that keeps popping up and

the phrase is that I keep hearing is some version of I'm on a journey and people from all different kinds of backgrounds and my opening line is when I kind of sense it I just say this I say are you are you a believer um so I met this person I was I was at one of the sets of uh particular podcast up there and they were interviewing this person and I said who who were they interviewing and there was a the room. She's, well, that's my sister, anything you want to know. I could tell you, whatever you want to know about her. And I could just sense something about her that she was like looking for Christ. And so I said, are you a believer? I couldn't tell. You believe? It was kind of one of those things either she is or she's on a journey. And she said, well, I'm on a journey. Not yet, but I'm on a

journey. I love Jesus, but I hadn't quite made the commitment to him. And so we began to talk. And what's interesting is, you know, I know a lot of times, or you'd mention Jason in the podcast in between the podcast, which is our conversations in between recording. You'd mentioned, you know, getting pushed back a little bit on some of the things we're teaching about the kingdom. Well, that specifically was the heaven and earth theme. It was one of the few letters that I responded to because he was respectful.

And just said, I think you're, you're. you're missing this. So, which is fine. I mean, I think that's a fair, if you're respectful, I think we have to have these conversations.

Yeah, I didn't mind it at all. We always lead with, we could be wrong, you know, so. Well, right. And not to hijack your story.

No, go ahead. This is helpful. Yeah, but he was more saying, like, the phrase heaven and earth in the Jewish world

and even in the Greek language is symbolically of, like a new world. I think that's why there's so much confusion over the different religious in the name of Jesus beliefs about like when Jesus comes back because you have a phrase in,

I think it's Matthew 24 where he talks about a new heaven and a new earth but he's seemingly talking about the temple of Jerusalem being destroyed. I mean he, it's so great. graphic and contextual, because it's like, see these stones right here? Not one will be left on another. And then it kind of gets into this figurative language from the Old Testament.

But there's a phrase in there about heaven and earth will not pass away or whatever. And I'm like, well, in that case, I tend to agree with the guy who sent me this letter. I'm like, I don't think he's talking about there. an actual new heaven and new earth at the end of time. But look, I told him I agreed with his basis that that phrase is a new world, you know, from the perspective of the Jewish world when the temple got destroyed. Well, it was a new heaven and new earth, meaning like a new environment for which they would function. Because that was their life.

Right. However, where I pushed back was where we're at in our text in 1 John 3. When Jesus comes back and post-resurrection, when Jesus was raised, there seems to be, not seems, I mean, I believe it as fact. There was a new creation launched. Yes. He had a body that now encompassed heaven and earth. He brought it together. And so I made the point in my lesson at the marriage refresh this weekend that the garden,

because we talked so much about the garden and the first man, the first woman, the first husband, and the first wife, and the idea about separating because of sin that it was a reset of the garden. I don't have any doubt in my mind. There's no doubt. That Jesus came here to do that. Yeah. And the Holy Spirit that was sent to live in us is then that taste, I call it that taste. of eternity because the process has begun.

Right. Spirit lives in us. Yeah, that's why the idea of, if you think of it as an inauguration that came in Jesus, and that's different than a consummation. Yeah. The inauguration is the beginning of the office, right? This is the beginning of the established office. The consummation is, what's the end of all this?

And so the Hebrew writer uses the same phrase that you use, Jay, so he calls it the world to come. and he says that it wasn't the angels. This is Hebrews too. It was not to the angels that God subjected the world to come of which we are speaking. That is the kingdom, by the way.

It has been testified somewhere what is man that you're mindful of him, the son of man, that you care for him. You made him a little lower than the angels and you've crowned him of glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet. And so that's a reference to Psalm 8, but I think that the Hebrew writer is talking about in this particular case,

the world to come is going to be under our dominion. Now granted, Christ is above us, and we operate as vice regents under him, but the picture there is that it's not fully realized yet. So when you think about the new heavens and the new earth, it's not fully realized yet, but it is here in the sense of that the kingdom of God is here, and Jesus inaugurated that, that whole destruction, in the temple, that locality of God's presence now is being dispersed out throughout the globe

in the temple of us, the Holy Spirit. And so in that conversation, I was having this girl. She was talking about how, I love Jesus. And, I mean, she genuinely had a love for Christ. I mean, it was very apparent. She began to cry as she was sharing her story. She's like, it's just hard to make the full step because, you know, my family, I want to do this with my family, my kids, and my husband, and they're just not there yet. And because they were coming out of, and she's, you know, Jewish. And she's like, you know, they're in Hebrew school and whatnot. And I thought it was interesting because I think the Holy Spirit gave this to me. I said, well, you're not actually like leaving them. I said, you have to look at the story as a continuation. It's like that movie, which we mentioned on this podcast quite a bit, six cents, where Bruce Willis, the revelation is that, you know, he sees dead people.

or the little kids sees dead people. And he's a psychiatrist, and he's, like, trying to help this kid out. Do you really see dead people, or is just some kind of psychological issue you're having? And Bruce Willis is trying to figure out what's going on with this kid. He's posed as his therapist. Yeah, he's like a therapist. I wish you would have done, like, an imitation where he's like, I see dead people. I see dead people.

I see dead people. I mean, that line that kind of stuck with a generation, maybe he's old, 30 years old. But it's like this really popular film from when I was in high school. It was well done because you're like, oh, he's one of the few movies that got me. Oh, it got you. He's like everybody he sees is dead. But I think this is a good conversation because I've had people, like in the last line I did, the VIP line, someone asked this question, said, well, I get why y'all believe that we need a new earth. But why do we need a new heaven?

which I thought, we only have 12 seconds because the line is long. Somebody's waiting behind you. Somebody asked that question. How do you answer this in? Yeah, and I said, well, I'll do a podcast segment on it, so maybe we're here. But because you said, well, how come there's multiple heavens? Yeah. Because, you know, remember when Paul had this weird encounter where everybody thinks,

He's talking about himself. I'm not sure where that is. It's 2nd Corinthians 12. Yeah, 2nd Corinthians 12. He was called up to the third heaven. So BIP line member, that would infer that there are multiple heavens. And look, sometimes they use the word for the stars and all that. Well, when you get to Revelation 21 and 22, he's like, well, he brings up these heavenly bodies.

And Paul brought that out. Well, we don't need the love. light anymore because he is the light. So that's that one aspect. You also, you brought up Job, well, you have, when you tie that in with the book of Ephesians, where the church's job is to speak truth to spiritual forces in heavenly realms. Well, there's, we have a problem here, which is why we would need a new heaven. Yeah. Because we got rebellious celestial beings roaming back and forth, not doing what they were created to do in the image of God. I mean, to the point of Ephesians, let me read that.

Ephesians actually, because you mentioned Ephesians. I think that's in three. But then in six, he says, the actual battle. Here's the battle, according to Paul and Ephesians. Ephesians 612, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. That's the earthly part, right? But against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness

against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. So you think, well, the Earth got corrupted. Well, it all got corrupted. The heavens and the Earth were together operating. And they got corrupted first because we inherited what happened there here. Satan came and tempted Adam and Eve. Well, where did he come from? Right, exactly.

Well, and you just have to make implications. and there's a weird contrast in the book of Ezekiel to this king of tire with the evil one. It kind of gives you some insight on why the evil one did what he did. He was beautiful and majestic, had a position of authority. And like humans, instead of doing it God's way, he was like, well, I think I'll do it my way here. I'm something here. Hey, he's saying that song first. connection to the source

and then all these things add up. Because you're right for the Bible I would call it there's a breadcrumb trail from Genesis 3 forward about the evil one and it's just we get the crumbs but we don't really understand

the full we can't get the full picture until we get to the end. But I think when you think about all the texts like Romans 5 saying you know as an Adam this train started of human sin and death. And then it's like, but in Jesus,

you have, you know, the spirit of life, like Romans 8. So in my response to this guy, I brought up Romans 8, but I also brought up the passage in Ephesians 2. It's like in a salvation context of, you know,

we were following the spirit of the air, the evil one, doing all these sinful activities like we've all done. But then here the grace of God, appears, and it's like just sharing our conversion story. And then all of a sudden he drops in, and he seated us with him in the heavenly realms. Well, everybody skips over that.

And so my point is, something happened to heaven and earth when Jesus died, was buried and rose, and went to the Father and unleashed the Spirit from heaven. Something happened. This place changed. There was a connection that happened between heaven and earth. Now, the implications of that when he comes back will also be drastic for heaven and earth, which is why I tend to believe that this new heaven and new earth will begin in that form. And here's why, because this all takes us to me to where we're at in 1st, John 3,

which we didn't talk about this, and I want to talk about it really bad, when he gets to that part where it says... We should see him as he is. Yep, that 1st John 3, and it says, how, verse 1, how great is the love the Father has lavished on us? And that's back to that connection

and remaining in him. We're participating in the very love that was going on before the creation of the world. We're friends. Thank John 17. And I want to do another thing that I've stumbled up on. I won't do it today because we're taking a different avenue. But about this glory that existed before the creation of the world

that he also prayed about in John 17 that was passed on to us. So just bookmarked that because it's very exciting. But then it says, and that is what we are, and children of God. And, man, we did the friendship thing, your friends with your kids and your brothers and your wife. And you keep seeing this connection where sons and daughters of God, but we're friends and brothers with Jesus

and we're intimate with His Holy Spirit. And he makes that connection right there in that verse. He goes from lavish love that we should be called children of God. There's your family connection right there. Yeah, and that is what we are. Yeah. We are the family of God connected.

The reason the world does not know us is that it didn't know him, all right? Yeah. And then we get in. into this where we're at. Dear friends, now we are children of God. And what we will be has not yet been made known. And this is the source of so many distortions about what's going to happen, as Zach says, the eschatology of when Jesus comes back. And so look, there's a hundred and one different ways to view, oh, what's going to happen when he comes back? What are we going to be?

Is it going to be a new heaven, new earth, or are we all going to heaven? Are we going to have a body? But he answers this. Somebody told me that recently at an event, they said, do I get my own cloud? Yeah, exactly. I mean, most people say, well, then we're going to heaven, but the Bible actually never says that phrase. Right. The only implication that you could actually draw to that is in that intermediate period with the, you know, the mansions, my, in my father's house many rooms. Right.

So, yeah, okay. So like, where are the dead now? Yeah. That's the only phrase you could even equate to going to heaven, in my opinion. Somebody asked me that in the Q&A recently we were doing. They said, well, how would there be enough room? It seems like we don't have. Oh, my goodness.

But, I mean, that was a true question. Well, I know. But look, let's just stick to the text. But we know that when he appears, and we have to know in this context, he's talking about when he comes back and the resurrection occurs. Because what we will be has not yet been made known. For we know that when he appears, we shall be like him. for we shall see him as he is. So just think about this.

If you just step back away from your religious persuasion and all you've been taught, just look at this simply. So here comes a man who's doing things that seem godly or heavenly. He wasn't necessarily claiming to be the Son of God, because he would refer himself to the son of man, which would be Adam, that the word is literally Adam, man. But other people were like,

well, it looks like the son of God. Now, there's another rabbit hole that we need to go down at some point about him being declared the son of God when he was raised. I have a whole list of verses, Romans 1, when it says, Let me just quickly read that because this is going to, I'm going to make a point about this that I think is very powerful.

So Romans 1, which I read this not too long ago, but it kind of deals with the earthly side of Jesus where he came from, and then the heavenly, because it says, Paul set apart for the gospel, he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture regarding his son, capital S, regarding his son. whose son? Well, God's son. Well, as to his human nature was a descend of David. Okay. But in through the spirit, capital S, of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God. How? By his resurrection from the dead. Yeah. And I think that's important because most people think when Jesus said it's finished on the cross, well, they're like, well, we're done. And the cross was essential.

But if you don't have the resurrection, I mean, if you walk by, you happen to be on that road that day and looked up, and here's three guys hanging on the cross, Jesus in the middle, what would you think? You would think, oh, he was probably a murderer and child abusers. I mean, they're kids. And even if you knew the story about him, like what he'd been doing and all this and had a following you'd say, well, there went that.

I think this is important. You just, it wouldn't, no person who is walking by is thinking, there's the son of God right there. You're just not thinking that. It was kept hidden as my point. And to your point though, Jay, is very interesting. The one person who, I would call it a prophecy, a prophesied about what was about to happen, was that Roman centurion

or Roman guard that looked up at him with everything that went around and said... He said, surely this was the song. Well, because the, you know, it got dark. Right, that's what I'm saying. The things happened that he thought... But also the Romans believed, you know, their gods came and went and, you know,

the demigods and some of them died and so... But he, I believe that was a prophecy of what was about. Yeah. And my point is, there were some things finished at the cross. There's no doubt about that. I'm not saying it's not. Whatever it is, we can talk about.

Yeah. Just that's the last words he said. It. Yeah. What is it? Well, the problem is you get some people saying it is everything. Well, no. I just read Romans 1.

He was with power declared to be the son of God through the resurrection. It doesn't end there, which is why Paul would say in 1st Corinthians 15. If Christ has not been raised, and we're still in our sins. Our faith is futile, and our life has no meaning. That's the gist of it. Didn't we say, and was it John 19, didn't we say that Thomas was the first one to declare it post-resurrection? He said, my Lord. And my God.

And my God. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Something different. Yeah. So I said all that to say this. So here's this man. So he dies.

You're thinking, well, it's over. Well, then he comes back. And he appears to almost 500 people, the believer, all believers, which I think is interesting. That's correct. First Corinthians 15. So why would he only appear to the believe? Why wouldn't he just go try to prove himself? Because it's the same reason he just doesn't come out on a loud speaker right now.

and say, hey, humans, repent. Well, because it's more about the love connection and relationship, all that, than it is a fearful turn or burn. Well, we at all turn. But then that's not love. Now it's all fear. And there's still this concept of seeking that takes place with us. We seek him.

So here's what's crazy. He dies. He's buried. He's raised. So he comes back. Well, he's never died since. He's still alive. Well, it's been 2,000 years plus.

I mean, just let that sink in. He is living. He's alive. You mentioned the kind of the distinction or people trying to, it's almost like people want to separate out the atonement, and they want to say, oh, the atonement happens at the cross. But if you look at the Hebrew case, this is the case in Hebrews that the Hebrew writer's making is he doesn't make a big, he lumps the whole atonement process, if you want to call it a process in the death of Christ, the burial, and the resurrection, and the ascension. Because if you think about the old covenant, and the Hebrew writer does this brilliantly, he says, okay, so the old way was essentially the priest, high priest on Yom Kippur, he makes a sacrifice.

So that's your cross, that's your death. then he takes that into the holy place and does all the rituals and all the all the rhythms of the old way. Then he goes into the most holy place. And then that's where the real presence of God is found in that place. But when he flips to Jesus, what he says is it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rights, with these rituals. So that's all a copy. This is in Hebrew is 923. but the heavenly things themselves

with better sacrifices than these. In other words, when you see the temple system, that was a copy of the real thing which was in the heavenly realms. And if you're going to enter into that place, the real place, like the original, the actual thing that the whole thing's a copy of, well, you better bring a better sacrifice

in the blood of goats and bulls. Verse 24, for Christ has entered, not into the holy places, made with hands, you know, this is think Solomon. Surely the God of heaven is not going to dwell in a house built by my hands, right?

Christ didn't go into those places, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf, nor was it to offer himself repeatedly as the high priest enters the holy place, the one made with hands, every year with the blood, not his own.

Then he would have to have to have, had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages. Why? Why did he appear in the heavenly place up in heaven? To put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. In other words, Christ, the atonement is not just happening at the cross. It's a whole process of atonement that happens through Christ doing the whole thing.

He's like doing the whole Levitical thing, but he's doing it in a different order. The Hebrew writer says in the order of Marquesidec. But what that means essentially is that this whole process is you can't separate these things out. It's the whole story. That was my point. I want to read you this. Look, in the context of baptism of all things, really? I mean, he's talking about Jesus has brought us this access, you know, in chapter

five to God. And he demonstrated his love while we were sinners. He died for us. This amazing grace. So Paul has this kind of epiphany in the letter of like, well, shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? I mean, it's so good. Yeah. Is this just a license?

And so he has this reenactment of what Jesus did. by being baptized. It's just fascinating. But then what gets lost in that is verse 9 of Roman 6. I'll go ahead and read 8 through 10. Now, if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. He's like, well, if you were just baptized into the death of Christ,

you're like, well, that's finished. No. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, this is Romans 6.9, just let this get into your pores. He cannot die again. That's why I said he came back alive, and he's still alive. Death no longer has mastery over him. That's over. The death he died, he died to sin once for all.

there that was but the life he lives he lives to god and just make a to make a side point on it like when paul said to the corinthians of first corinthians 1 30 it says it is because of him that you are here's those two most important words in the bible it's because of him that you are in christ jesus who has become for us wisdom from god our righteousness our holiness our holiness and our redemption. Well, how's he going to do that if he's dead? Yeah. And so I said all that to say when that 1st John passage says,

because glory's never mentioned, but it's inferred in 1st John 1, 1, 1 through 4, because we're participating in it. But right here when it says, but when we know 1 John 3, 2, that when he appears, we shall be like him. Well, what is that? I know one thing it's alive.

Yeah. It takes you back to when he was raised. Right. He appeared to the 500. He had conversations. He had a conversation. Remember in the book of Acts? They're like, are we going to restore the kingdom of Israel? And he's like, don't worry about the times and dates.

The spirit's going to come on you. Well, keep going back. What did he do when he organized the big fishing operation? John, 20. They called 153, or is that 21? One of those chapters. 21. They catch 153, and, you know, Peter jumps out of the boat, and he's like, come, let's have breakfast.

What? The dead guy, who's alive now, said, let's eat some breakfast. Well, he has to be heavenly because earthly people can't come back from the dead. So he has to have some form of supernatural, something has happened that he's alive. And the closest thing we've come up with are people that come back from the dead. They don't eat fish, they just want to eat you.

We got the zombies. That was the closest we could get. But you see my point. The reason that I went from the guy who sent me the letter saying the new heaven and new earth is always just, it can mean anything. It's just a new beginning. It's a new world within your world.

The reason that I had to expand my view of the narrative of the entire Bible, because it starts off with God creating the heavens and the earth, it ends with him coming out of heaven, creating a new heaven and a new earth. I mean, it can't be an accident. There's some kind of book in. I'm on earth. There's a heaven. And then here's this one who represented heaven.

multiple times he's like, I'm from heaven, I'm from heaven, I'm from heaven. His mom never had sex. How did he get here? Right. So he's an earthly, heavenly being. That's why I read the Romans one. And now he's eating fish post-resurrection. To me, if there's not going to be a new heaven and a new earth, why is he eating fish on the earth as a heavenly being?

Now, I know that may be simplistic minded. I just have failed to hear anything that can get around that. As far as heaven and earth being a new place where once we are like him, we can eat fish if we want to. We can have breakfast. Now, what does that look like? Well, what we are has not been yet made known. It's hard for me to relate, but I know one thing.

He's alive. He ate some fish. He was talking. People knew who he was. But we're going to be like him. And also think about the next verse, Jay, is everyone who has this hope in the one we shall be looked like in him purifies himself just as he is pure. How does hope purify anything unless somehow the hope in what we believe somehow has come to reside in us and therefore purifies us? Now.

Which is why I read the first script is 1.30. Yeah. How has he become for us the wisdom and the holiness? Because he's alive. We're connected to him. Exactly. We can't die. Oh, but you're going to die.

But yeah, I'm going to come back. And guess what? I'm going to eat some fish on earth if I want to. Right. And so think about it. So we sat at this table and our dear old dad sat right there when it was in another location. And he kept saying, as we were getting close to his physical death on this earth, he kept saying what?

The resurrection looms large. So even in the recognition of this life and coming death, unless the Lord comes back first, we realize death doesn't have a mastery over. That's why when we spoke at his funeral, which was just a celebration of his life up until this point, before eternal life, we looked at it and we said death has no mastery over. He's going to come out of a powerful verse. It's a very powerful thing. And the reason I keep bringing up this glory, because when,

I read that John 17 and I'm like, we get to participate in this love before the creation of the world. But I skipped over that glory part because I didn't really understand it. And when I read Exodus 33, which we don't have enough time to get into it, but I would like to, it has this whole image of, you know, this little story about when God says, you know, hide in the cleft of the rock. because you can't see my face and this kind of thing, which he eventually becomes a face in Jesus. But there's some phrases in there that about God revealing his glory to Moses,

and he's like, my presence, which is the word, Hebrew word, foreface, will be with you, and I am pleased with you. Well, that little phrase got me in Exodus 33. And read that on your own, And then when we come back on a future podcast, we'll break it down. He also says, and I'll give you rest. Well, he's not talking about the Sabbath.

What's he talking about I give you rest? And I think that goes back to that John 15. You're connected to the source. You don't have to perform somehow to get his approval. You have everything he has, and he's going to go through you. But when I – that – and I'm pleased with you. And I heard this from a sermon from C.S. us one time. Of course, it didn't know what it meant. And he said, you know, I used to think

glory was bad for humans to think, oh, we want some kind of glory. But God is saying my approval of you is a glory that you should pursue. You should pursue that. When he said, I'm pleased with you, well, it made me, it took me back to the baptism of Jesus, which is why I think Paul brought it up in Romans chapter six. What happened? He identified him as his son. He said, this is my son, whom I love, because that's the connection that was all along. And then he said, in whom I'm well pleased. Same phrase that Moses used, that was used to Moses by God, in him being his representative. And I just thought, ooh, oh, well, now that makes sense on why in John 1, it says, unlike Moses,

remember he brought what he brought in what is that John 117 and 18 but the son revealed the glory the glory of the one and only son Moses brought what does it say let me read it John 1116 from the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another for the law was given through Moses grace and truth came through Jesus Christ no one has ever seen God but God the one and only son who is at the father's side has made him known so I read all that because let me read this in John 17 just to where does it say about that glory this is in his prayer praying for all the believers he says listen to this I'll just start reading in verse 20 and we'll find it. My prayer

is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message that all of them may be one. Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. How intimate connection it is. May they also be on us so that the world may believe that

you have sent me. I've given them here it is the glory that you gave me that they may be one as we are one. I and them and you and me may they be brought to complete unity to let the world know

that you've sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me and he repeats it again in 24th so my point is just think of us as humans and men and being rejected in life and all of a sudden you realize that God's pursuing me

he's chosen me to be in this fellowship of love and glory. And it's so important to know that God is pleased. He's pleased with you. Yeah. And so we surrender. There's your validation, because there's a lot of humans going around with horrible lies

because they were rejected at an early age, and they're just trying to be a man, you know, and prove that there were something. achieve some glory. Just think of all the counseling scenarios that started off in they were in sixth grade and they didn't get picked

to be whatever, you know, and so they live the rest of their life. And I really think there's something to that when he says, we'll be like him. Now and forevermore, I just, I think it's a powerful thing. That's good.

We'll get into that glory because I got a cool thing that from our marriage refresh about the crowns that we've been given and it was a really interesting place right in what you're talking about. So we'll pick up on this next time. I'm on Unashamed.

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