Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1286 | The Awkward Question About Sex in Heaven Christians Never Ask

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Jase, Missy, Al, and Lisa offer solutions to what they believe young men and women are missing in their lives today. Along the way they reveal their own shame, shortcomings and how mentorship and grace from God have changed them from the inside out. Jase jokes that he has spent his life researching whether marital relations will be part of heaven, but agrees that whatever God’s plan for eternity is, it’ll be better than we can imagine. In this episode: Proverbs 31, verses 10–31; Acts 17; Matthew 19, verses 3–12, 28; Titus 3, verse 5; Proverbs 22, verse 14; Proverbs 23, verse 27; Job 31; Matthew 6, verses 22–23; Genesis 39; Philippians 4, verse 13; Job 19, verses 25–27 “Unashamed” Episode 1286 is sponsored by: Check out Zocdoc and stop putting off those doctors appointments. Go to https://zocdoc.com/UNASHAMED to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today. https://texassuperfood.com — Get 35% off your first order when you use code Unashamed. https://fastgrowingtrees.com — Get 20% your first purchase when using the code UNASHAMED at checkout. https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 The Women Stay for Another Episode 06:02 Quoting Phil’s Marriage “Advice”  11:15 Why Young People Are Searching for Mentors 17:08 Cultivating a Christ-Centered Home 23:05 Seeing Yourself Through God’s Eyes 28:32 Jesus on Marriage, Divorce & the Kingdom 34:18 The Proverbs 31 Woman vs. the “Forbidden Woman” 40:32 Job’s Blueprint for Integrity and Faithfulness 49:03 Job’s Bold Confidence in the Resurrection 56:00 Thoughts on Heaven & Eternity — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm happy to announce back by popular demand. Thanks to Maddie, Lisa, Missy, have stayed on. We tried to leave. But he tried to leave because we had only scheduled one. But I have to admit, I was secretly hoping that the spirit might move us here today for you guys to stay on another podcast, just because people love listening to y'all so much. And they need a break from us And they need a break from us, yes This has been a long week of podcast

And we didn't think about it But as we were pontificating, mostly Lisa and Missy, about mentorship that Maddie, we had our little 20-something right over here listening and was impacted by what you guys said So she convinced y'all to stay

And keep this discussion going. Zach's still with us as well I'm still here. That's the least I've talked in an episode in years media mood. So that's weird. I actually thought it was the best episode we've done of years.

I'm kidding, Jay. You don't have to kid. Sometimes I get tired of hearing myself call. I got, hold on, I do have to tell people this that Jay's called me yesterday, because if you've been listening to the last week or so, we had a little altercation of him never telling me that he loved me. and he literally, I walked out of the podcast studio yesterday when we recorded. The phone rings.

I pick it up. It's Jace. I don't even remember what you asked me. It was about a podcast guest is the reason for the call. Okay. Yeah, but he ended up. I love you, cousin. And it was, it just, I tear it up.

You know, I thought, yes, I know this is 80% sarcastic, but the 20% that was sincere, it was very, very meaningful. And I just want to tell you that that was very special. It's now on record. It's on record. So don't give him a hard time for getting on to me. He did call me. I want you to know that.

If you listened, he did call me. Zach is taken up for you, babe. Yeah. See, it's like puppies and rainbows. Everything is good here. The women bring this too. What's so funny is he knew that it was, he called it 80%. I'd probably said 90s, but sarcastic.

But it did come out of my mouth. He did say the words. He did say the words. I don't know what's in your heart comes out of your mouth. I've said one time that the people that I make fun of, I really love. Yeah. So you're welcome. You know what he said to me for years, Zach?

And I didn't never know if it was like if I could believe him or not. When I would ask him to do something or tell him to do something or whatever, he would say, I'm just here to make you happy. And I would stop And I'd be like, are you being sarcastic? Or are you, is that for real? Because I don't have time to figure it out right now. So anyway, go on until the next time he would say it.

I'm like, he said, I'm just here to make you happy. And the answer to the questions. I still really don't know if it was sarcasticity. How many years have I said that? Many, many, many, many, many. We're talking about years. At some point, I want you to believe that. You know what Al says?

He says, it's what I live for. I don't know. That's 100% sarcastic because she'll say something like, hey, do you want to go? What would be something you would ask me to do that you know I hate? Do you want to go with me to Dillard's? It's, babe, it's what I live for. Well, of course I'm not going to go. But I'm saying that's my line back when she knows the circus is it's what I live for.

It's what I live for. Well, maybe you ladies can interpret Jill. She's not here to defend herself. But she says this to me. She says, hey, I'm going to let you. And then she feels in the blank. How I'm going to let you put root to bed? Or how am I going to let you go pick up the boys?

I'm going to let you. I'm like, what is that? You don't let me go. You just say, thank you. She gives me a task. Thank you, honey. And then she's going to let me do it work. Let you do what you should be doing.

That's what that. I'm like, what is that? I don't like, I don't like it. I think Proverbs 3125 said she can laugh at the days to come. That's it. Or in the case of going to, where was that called? Dillards. It's a department store.

I did not even know what that was. It's where Dave Ramsey lives, Jay. You didn't know him either. No, when she said Dillard, I know a guy named Jim Dillard who fishes. So I thought, is he opened a store up? No. Okay. I missed it.

That's pretty funny. But now, Dad used to say, remember when he would always say, I mean, get a sense of humor. Go to Walmart and buy a sense of humor. Yeah, personality. Yeah, personality. When you left out for crying out loud. For crying out loud. For crying out loud.

So he did have a few good marriage sales. I do miss your dad. I'm just going to say. Oh, we just talked about this. I think yesterday when we were recording that how often we more now. quote him on the podcast because it's just like he's always front of mind. And I know a lot of you out there have told me that you love me and Zach and Jace, but you missed at it.

None more than us. His steadiness and always, you know, okay, is Saturday Night Live Over? Can we get to the Bible? You know, like, he would always like rush. There's something to say about being a lightning rod in the form of a human. Yeah. Because he, my dad, he just, he was a lightning rod. And it produces a lot of thunder.

And the older he got, the less the governor worked. It was just like he was going to tell you what he did. I really missed him on the movie set the other day because the guy, I mean, he looked like a young film. Yeah. And I just thought. It did kind of channel back. I felt the same way.

And I told him, I said, we're sorry about your dad. And Al said, thanks. And I said, you know, you're just going about your life. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, I miss Phil, you know. So I want to keep talking with Maddie. asked that we that I give the respectable side as well, which I will a little bit. But since now we've got more time, Missy, I wanted to get your take some on the on the proverb stuff. Well, when you say when Maddie was like, can y'all stay? I said, and you pointed out her age, which fits into the

category that I said these girls are driving from all over the country or flying, spending money alone to come to logtown to meet me to sit with me, whatever, and my friends, but they're sleeping in a bed with other girls that they've never met before. Who would do that? Maddie, would you do that? You would? Yeah. Wow.

See, I would never do that. I think it shows the hungering and thirst for direction and be down the Lord. There is a void there. They want to be with mentors. and then other women, and I think young men are looking for the same time. It's also, well, it is that because it's why the popularity of these retreats, men and women's retreats now are so big and popular. I mean, they're going out to camp and having this,

they're having like basically adult camp for a weekend to have just what you're talking about, relationships, connection. And, you know, this thing's been, what, about 10 years now, I guess. I mean, it's huge. There's like, they're all over our community. I guess they're all around the world, but there's certainly a lot of them have to be. Look, I remember even in high school.

I mean, all my friends, they were, which I was following Jesus then, but it was a pattern, okay, you find a woman, you have sex with her, you break up, you repeat the process, you drink in between. It's like all my friends, that's what they were doing. Well, then they get married, and they're shocked that this pattern continues. It's like, it's a, it's a thing. Now you're violating the covenant to do it. Complete destruction.

I'm like, well, what did you think was going to happen? You're in a habit. It's a great point. It's a series of events that are happening that is not the foundation and recipe for a successful marriage. And then the whole thing explodes. And you're like, well, I don't understand what happened. I just think that there needs to be another way. And you get that from wisdom.

Yeah. Well, we were talking in the last podcast, too, about Lisa's path and how you found Jesus, and it was not easy. We didn't go into detail, but your testimony when you speak in front of people does go into detail. And mine was very easy. I was set up to learn about Jesus from a very early age, and I was in a safe and secure environment, and I was at a Christian school, and I was at our same church that we've been at an entire lives. And so, but we can still both speak in to these 20 and 30-year-olds because the message is the same. Yeah. Jesus is there and has been there this entire time, Act 17, he put us in the best place possible to set us up for success to find him, although he's right here the whole time.

So I think that that's what's so encouraging about the whole message is that the more transparent we are about our life. and the way that we were raised, it appeals to so many more women. They're like, I don't want to live like that or I have lived like that. And Jesus is still for me. It's not, I'm not too ashamed to ask for help. So I can feel like a big puzzle trying to fit all the pieces together, work, relationships, finances, and of course your health care. But finding health care should not be the trickiest piece to fit into your life.

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she just picked seven kind of things out of the text. Was there anything in that text that? Well, I think seven went with your seven. Yeah, right. Yeah, y'all have a lovable. Respective. Yeah. I mean, I, like I said in the last podcast,

I've actually been every single part of this woman, but just not at the same time. Yeah. You know, and so, and my children have told me verbally how much they love me and how much they have been blessed by me, which, I mean, is there any other better goal to reach as a woman than that? I mean, I love that my husband arises, you know, or is respected at the city gate. but when my children arise and have told me how much they love me and appreciate things that I've done for them, that's the ultimate to me.

I don't care about anything else. Evidently, everything else that we've done in our home and in the community has been authentic and transparent. Because my children know. Our children know before anybody else exactly what's going on in the home and they can attest to it. It starts in the home. I think that's the we want to have, if you want a ministry, do you think about a global ministry, or even a regional minister in your city?

That home life is honestly the most important part. And it's little things that you, and I know you guys live this way as well. Jill does it. And I've stayed in both of your homes many times. And there's little things that may not seem to be spiritual things, but they are, like that lead for your home to be an open place. like there's always coffee.

There's always some food laying around. There's always blankets on the couch. I mean, it's opening up and that ministry of your home is so important. And I feel that anytime I go to Louisiana, typically stay at one of y'all's houses because I just feel more comfortable there.

And I feel at home. I think you cultivate that environment. And so this isn't like we're not explicitly opening up the Bible and preaching whenever we have coffee like ready to drink and drink something. I mean,

but those are things that set an expectation in an environment that I think are super important. And just recently I had this thought, the Jill's gotten into this, she orders wheat berries. Like, it's the thing she's into now. And then she had, she bought this little mill that she mills up her own flour. And then she makes bread out of this.

It's like supposed to be healthy. I don't know if it's, I mean, whatever. But, I mean, she's into it. I mean,

into it. And at first, First I was kind of like, why are we getting all this stuff? You know what I mean? You got barrels of wheat berries sitting in the pantry now. What are we doing here? But the other morning I walked, I said, then I walked in, and she was making that bread. And I smelled it.

And I was like, whoa. And I was like transported into another world, like just an aroma. I said, man, like it just walked in my house and just immediately felt something like, oh, wow. honey, I'm home. You know what I mean? It was like that kind of feeling and literally because she's taking this initiative

to go through this process of making bread as opposed to going to get the package of wonder bread just throwing it on the table. Two different experiences, right? And one set an environment in our home that literally

all walked in and it was like noticeable. I was like, wow, that's part of that proverb 31 woman is that she is cultivating that type of atmosphere in her community and in her home.

Well, I love him, what you just described are the senses, and there's, obviously, we have more than just one. I mean, there's what we see, what we smell, what we taste, and all of our experiences are then through those senses that the Almighty gave us. We're made in his image. I mean, when he became a man, Jesus Christ, part of that was to experience the senses that he made in us. I mean, so that is powerful, Zach. I mean, to smell the aroma of your home, you know? I think women, um, There's all different types of women and moms and wives, mothers, all that. Not everybody seems like they have pride in doing that.

Mine has grown over the years. I didn't start out wanting to do that. It seems like I was way too busy to do what Jill is taking pride in with that bread. I see Brighton doing that with sourdough with homemade pie crust. You know, Mamal Kay's homemade pie crust recipe, she's doing that. I wish I would have had more time. or the desire to do that at a younger age. But I feel like this age group, this 20 to 30s,

they're wanting to do that in their home, which is fantastic, you know, because it does set at home for your children and for your husband. So even when it's just like the two of us, we came back from a couple of long weekends of speaking. And I thought, I've got three pounds of 80, 20 meat in the freezer. I could make a meatloaf, you know. And so I was like, let me just go ahead and do that. And then I just forget, you know, because I wasn't cooking for your parents really as much,

not only cooking for mine that much because they've got some other things set up. And nobody was home this week. And we had little man some, but he's not going to eat meatloaf, you know. So, but there's something in it for me to want to do that. I enjoy it too. But I never really cooked for myself. I always cooked for whoever was in and around. and, you know, staying at our house or whatever.

I feel like this is leading to how much I ate. Oh, well, I'm saying, I cooked a lot this week for nobody to be there, but Jace has eaten it all. He's been working hard. I haven't on that for two days. Then she made, she has a new recipe because I was going to say. You need a fuel for that cleanup of your yard. When you said, you know, you wish you'd have done that,

but it was worth a wait for me. And your mom does like a good meat. loaf sandwich the next day. That's my friend. I actually prefer it on the sandwich the next day. She does too. She does too. I brought her one.

They'd loaves the best. Then you made that shrimp biscuit. So she came in yesterday and she walked in there and said. The empty bowl, the empty bowl was in the sink. I was like, what? This bowl was this big around and about this tall. If you're listening, it was about a foot by foot. No.

It wasn't special order. It was pretty big. And that was like day two, I think, of it, and I finished it off. And you were like, did you actually eat all that? Which I thought, what kind of question is there? Well, I was thinking I could have another bowl because I double the recipe, so it's a serving of eight. I had one. He had seven.

That's a word. I had seven in a 24 hour. I just did the math there. I was like, okay. Okay. The man's got a high. James may gain a little weight, did he? No, he's working.

Not because I'm not eating. I can tell you that. It was absolutely fantastic, man. So I want you to read something we didn't get a chance to do because we were out of time on the last podcast. But when we get to the end of this Proverbs 31, you know, we tell the story and part of our story. We talked about Lisa in the backyard. But before that happened, my interrogation of her happened in our bathroom because it was the furthest place away from the kids. and this was a hard, bad conversation.

And so we were literally shut up in our bathroom at our last house. And there's mirrors in there, you know, because it's the bathroom. It's a big mirrors. And so Lisa tells us about looking in the mirror in the moment of now finally coming to truth and not recognizing who she saw looking back at her. Like she finally was like, who are you? You know, because in the moment of truth, you know. And so she does the thing here at the thing.

the end. And I wanted to read it because it's so good. In fact, she was like, the last time we spoke, she said, we're not having time for me to do the thing. I said, no, we're doing the thing. I'll cut some of my stuff off. But I want you to read that because it's so powerful. And this is kind of how she closes out of her part. So every day we look at ourselves in the mirror and we see ourselves aging as women. Because this was the one about the beauteous fleeting. Right. But figure the way. And whenever I look in the mirror, I don't remember being in a hellstorm, but at some point in my life, I guess I was. Because that's what I see is hell dense.

I didn't even know what that meant. But my husband sees something different. When Al looks at me, he chooses to see me differently, I think. And you know, whenever he was 80 pounds overweight, I chose to see him differently. I never looked at him and said, oh, you know, pig, you need to lose some weight. I mean, I never, in my heart, I never thought that because he's still the same person. Yeah, she never in anagment about it. Yeah, he's still my husband.

But when I look in the mirror and I see myself through my husband's eyes, I see a helper, a soulmate, a faithful wife, a loving mother and grandmother. and when I see myself through my daughter's eyes, I see a mom who will fight to the death for her kids, a mom who knows that my kids aren't perfect, but I also know I'm not either. And together we work to help each other in this life to get to heaven. When I see myself through my grandkids' eyes, it always makes me tear up. I see a ma'am, that's what they call me, M-A-M, who loves them unconditionally, who will be by their side cheering them on to heaven as long as I live. They see a ma'am they can always count on. But when I see myself through my Savior's eyes, I see a broken vessel that has been mended by the blood of the

cross. I see a child, his child, who has failed a lot, but who he has taken and refined by fire and redeemed for his glory. We've both been focused on health, getting healthy, with both lost weight. Yeah, I've needed to get healthier. Definitely, you know, losing weight was part of that, but also deciding what I put in my body makes a big difference as well. That's why I've been taking a supplement called Texas Superfood. and Jill's taking it as well. It's from our friend Dr. Dennis Black. He invented Texas Superfoods 25 years ago to help people get the nutritional value that they needed.

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who you are, but then when you see yourself through other people's eyes, once you've grown in Christ, what that looks like. So I just think that's always a powerful. And she just wrote that one day. And I was like, that needs to be like the staple. Like that's the close every time because it's so good. Because people, you know, they see this. themselves only many times through their flaws and their mistakes.

And through the shame and the guilt. And for so many years that was what was holding Lisa back. She just couldn't give that to the Almighty. Like you said, Jay's it was a lifestyle. In her case, things that were done to her even when she was very young, that then created this firestorm of the evil ones opportunity to be, you know, have her heart. And he did for a long time. Yeah.

Until he didn't. I wanted to share this. I mean, I'll do this quickly. as I can. But, because I mean, we're talking about relationships and marriages and all this. And, you know, when Jesus brought this up in Matthew 19 about why people are getting divorced for any and every reason. And he just, he goes back to the beginning in quotes in Genesis where it says,

haven't you read this 194? He replied that at the beginning, the creator made them male and female and said, for this reason, a man will leave his father. mother and be united to his wife. And the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate. And, you know, we're just talking about all this, but the beauty of this combination

in the Lord becomes something that's very hard to even describe the awesomeness of what actually happens. Yeah. And so he didn't get into the little argument. He was just like, this is the idea, this is the standard. But then in Jesus... They asked for the exception. He gave him the standard.

He gave him the standard. But then he goes on to say, it's okay to be single. Yeah. You know, when he gets to verse 12, he's like, some people have renounced marriage for the kingdom of God. And then here he is. He never was married. Right. but then he became the husband of the group of people.

The church. Well, then he has the illustration about little children coming up there. So all of a sudden, you're putting all this together, just in Matthew's mind. It goes like what Missy just said. The greatest gift she's had in life was her kid saying, I love you, mom, good job. And this is what I wanted to bring up. Well, then he, you know, has this encounter with the rich young man,

and not this thought in marriage, you know, money's always a problem. problem, but just in life. There's more about money in here in the Gospels as being a potential problem. But it's something I never had noticed in chapter 19 at the end of that conversation with the British young ruler. In verse 28, write this down, Matthew 1928. This is only one of two times this word is used in the New Testament. And I'm going to read it. Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, that phrase is a word sometimes translated regeneration. It's only used twice, but it's a new birth. When the son of man sits on his glorious zone, you who have followed me will also sit on the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes

of Israel. I mean, you're going to be exalted. So the other time that's used is Titus 3, where it says he saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal of the Holy Spirit. So this new birth, and here's the point I wanted to make, because a couple chapters later, here comes these Sadducees, and they're like, let's say a person is married this woman seven times. They bring up this obscure law. And they're like, at the resurrection, who will be her husband? And I mean, he basically called him stupid. He said, you're ignorant and stupid because you don't know the power of God or the scriptures.

And I said all that in that package to say this. When you think about how God designed us, husband and wife, one flesh, kids come, think about that process of being born. And here he uses this word of this when all things are reborn, what that will be. think about the transition. I mean, if you see a picture of me in my mother's womb at three or four weeks old and look at me now, you're like, what happened? And I'm with another human, and we're having more of these little humans.

It is so, we take it for granted, but that birth process just of getting here is a testimony to the power of God. Exactly. Even when you look at the details, you're breathing liquid. in your mom. And then all of a sudden you come out and you're done with that. Right. And you're now breathing air.

I mean, if you breathe liquid now, you die. How does this even happen? So I said all that to say, this new birth that I saw happen in Lisa's life, it was such a power of God that it was indescribable. And you couldn't even foresee it. And you fast forward all the way into our resurrection and this renewal of all things. I think we underestimate the power of God, is my point. And Anne, such a good point.

And think about the context of why he said that to the disciples. Because remember, the rich young ruler had just walked away sad. And they all looked at each other and said, I mean, this is the best guy we know. They were looking at him like he was way better than them because they were like, who then can be saved? Remember, that was in that same context. So Jesus is telling them when you're reborn because your heart trust in me, you can accomplish anything.

You know, that's when you're exalted in that new birth. So it was out of the, they looked at him and they were looking at themselves like, well, this guy's way better than me. I just felt like I need to say that because like these women, Missy's mentoring and these women you're talking to, all these women are sitting there saying, I don't know what to do. And I think you're underestimating the power of God. Just what he can do in your life now

is the equivalent of you pictured in your mother's womb at three weeks. And now being 50 years old. We call it the miracle of birth. Yeah, it's a good framework for Proverbs 31 too, because when you read Proverbs 31 about that woman, and I think Missy was kind of saying this earlier, but it's a good, it's really kind of a good pushback.

I think people, well, I've heard it taught too, is like here's the formula of what you're supposed to do. And then you try to conjure up like this performative thing that this woman is. And then you're like, I can't be this woman. You know, I think the framework that you read the text in, because if you read through Proverbs, there's pictures of other women in Proverbs.

And you've got to kind of look at the two different pictures. I was going to read two verses that give a picture of another type of woman versus the proverb 31 woman and I want to wrap it up with what Jay said about the new birth. The other woman is called the forbidden woman. This is Proverbs 22. The mouth of a forbidden

woman is a deep pit. He with whom the Lord is angry will fall into it. And then in proverb 23, it's for a prostitute is a deep pit and an adulterist is a narrow well. So you think about the imagery

there. There's one type of woman, particularly around her, I think this is around her sexuality. Her sexuality is a trap. And you fall into, so she's consuming men. They're falling into a deep well. So you would imagine this woman is like a black hole and she's just pulling in everything around her. That's, God's like, don't be like that. That's not the picture. The picture of the Proverbs 301 woman is everything is going outward. She's creating life. And so when you said, when Missy, when Missy talked, talked about the joy of her children, literally came, her sexuality, and Jill, all of our sexuality, it actually led to more kids, not inward. It led to like an expanding of life. So it's these two different pictures. Are you consuming or are you cultivating a garden? That's why it's a good framework to read it in. And I think it's more of a picture of a woman who cultivates a garden as opposed to a woman who's drawing men and things in to consume. Well, this woman, like when I said earlier that it was easy for me, Jesus was easy for me because I learned about him from a very, very early age. And I learned about all of the Old Testament, what we call

characters. They were actually real people with real lives. But I had all of that as cultivation in my heart and in my head every week of my life. The Proverbs 31 lady seems like her accomplishing all of this is making it easy for her children to find Jesus. They want to find him. It's been cultivated in their home with their, with their dad who's respected at the city gate, with the mom working so hard, with her pouring into her children. They want to either be like her, like we talked about, either it's King Solomon or his mother that wrote this, but it's obviously if it's King Solomon, he likes that lady. If it's about his mom, he likes that lady. And he wants to have that in his life for his own children and for his own life as a wife.

But I just feel like that that's what I want to do as a mom. And I mean, my job is done, you know, except for helping out with little man right now. My job is done. So I hope that I made my home easy for my children the easiest possible way for them to find Jesus. Not all of them found him so easily. You know, and they have their own testimonies. But there was never a doubt in my mind that they would come back to him if they turned away from him for a while because of how they were raised in my home.

I never had a doubt. Did you? Not a doubt. Not a doubt. And that's what you want to do. That's where you want to be as a parent. Well, Springs right around the corner, Jason now. It's time to get back out in the yard.

Oh, I've been out in the yard, Zach. In my flower bed, Zach, I mean, I love. lost three of the trees. So I've definitely got to get online and get me some fast growing trees. Yeah, fast growing trees. It's America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers. You know, we've all ordered trees there. I've got the Leland Cyprus, how you say bought some fruit trees. Fast growing trees has ever 6,000 plants to choose from. Fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs, and houseplants. So whatever you're looking for, fast growing trees helps you find options that actually work for

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Like I'll do a respectable. And Lisa does a lovable. if we're together in front of an audience. Sometimes we do it individually to men and women. But Job is interesting because in some ways it's similar because he's almost a mythical figure. He's certainly ancient. Some people even think he's not a real person

that it was just like someone wrote this story of Job because you have the weird like first two chapters or the first chapter where God and Satan are having this conversation. It's definitely a different, unique book in the Bible. but assuming that he was a real man who lived, which I think he was because his friends had names, so I don't think he's made up. But he certainly was an amazing man. And I think I said this on a reason on podcast.

He, you know, the evil one attacked him by taking everything he had, all his possessions, which for a man, you know, the idea of being a provider's big. So he took that away. Then he took away everything he loved, his children, and then the respect of his wife. because she just said, I don't know what you did, but you just needed a curse God and get it over with. And so she basically bolted. And again, she lost her kids too, so I'm not hating on her, but she left him. And then he lost everything he was because the last thing Satan took was his strength, his health, which is a man.

That's the hard one to give up. And as we get older, we realize it more and more that you lose that strength. So he hit him in all the places where you can hit a man. And so when I go to Joe 31, it's out of the idea that he's defending his character as a protector. But he's really lost all sense to be able to do it. So Job's in a tight spot. And so he's sort of defending himself to his friends. But man, he almost lays out, like the Proverbs situation, an unattainable picture of how it was supposed to be.

But it's very powerful. So here's the seven. The first one is, I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman. So he protects the eyes and the mind. And all of us know as men, we did a whole podcast on Covenant Eyes about pornography and the scourge it is to men and women. Unfortunately, it's growing more in women now, you know, because it's just the way our culture is. But for all young men, it was always out there.

And Jace described it, his first, like, time out with the buddies. Remember the first thing they did was break out the naked pictures. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's just. Well, that was my first and last end. invite to the little cabin in the woods. Somebody had drinking out of a bottle and somebody had a picture of naked girls. And they had a big marijuana joint.

And that was before marijuana was quite popular. Exactly. You were, yeah, you were, that was the wrong crowd for you to get in with. Well, I shared Jesus with them eventually. And I've told this, well, I told it on the last podcast, but I'll just mention it for I move on. There's a verse that I love that Jesus said in Matthew 6, the eyes, the lamp of the body, If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light.

But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness? And that's what pornography is. It's fake. It's not real. It's, but it is real people. And I've told you guys for it. It's someone's daughter.

It may be with somebody's wife or girlfriend, someone's sister, for sure. And you look at those things and you think, man, Why would I want to be lusting? It's not healthy for my eyes or my mind. And it's a scourge. And it's wrecked a lot of families and it's wrecked a lot of people. And so that's how he starts it. And I've always thought it was interesting because he would have lived in an era where

the only thing he would have seen were eyes and ankles. And he still made the covenant. You know, because they were covered up back in the day. It wasn't like today going down to Orange Beach, you know. So I just thought it's an amazing thing. But he made the covenant. He said, I'm going to do this. Another thing about that is that as wives, we can't live up to what you have seen on a computer screen.

Right. We're never going to be perfect like that airbrushed person on that computer screen. Yeah. Or surgically enhanced or whatever. So it gives you an illusion that this is what all women look like and then, well, that ain't what I see at home. Right. Yeah, exactly. But it starts with us.

second one is all these are protect he protects he protects honesty if I have walked with falsehood or my foot has hurried after deceit let God weigh me an honest scales and he will know that I am blameless and I love that idea about

being a man of your word when you tell somebody you're going to do something you do it I mean that's what he says I'm going to protect honesty because without honesty you know we're in serious trouble not just as a man but also as a family And I love telling the story speaking about one of my favorite movies is taken, which is a terrible setup that the guy's daughter is taken.

But when they are about to take her, remember he says, I will find you and I will come for you. And then at the very end, the last scene when the pedophiles got the knife to her throat and the guy starts to negotiate, boom, he just right between eyes. And then she looks at him and she said, you came. and he looks almost shots. He said, I told you I would. And I just, you know, they just encompasses to me everything we're supposed to be as a dad, as a husband. I told you I would. And I meant that.

And so while, you know, I always say, I would have never gotten out of the airport trying to find an Uber or whatever. He just, you know, trashes all of Paris. He has a special set of skills. A special set of skills. That's exactly right. Al does too, but not quite the same as he is. I'm pretty good with the Bible text, but I'm not too good. with the bad guys. The third one is, again, protects, protects faithfulness. If my heart has been

enticed by a woman, and this is one of those verses that, man, is, if my heart has been enticed by a woman, or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door, then may my wife grind another man's grain. And I always say when I read that, I don't even know what that means. But now I do know, because Zach has given us a picture of that. May my wife grind another man's grain, and may other men sleep with her. He goes ahead and lays it out. I wasn't expecting the word gray. I know. Exactly. The last thing you want happened. Yeah. I mean, Zach, you walk in your house. You don't want Jill grinding somebody else's grain, right? She grind my grain. She's trying to your grace. She gives me grinding. Agree. And that's biblical. If that offends you, that is biblical.

And so I always quote when I was speaking about this, one of my favorite passages, which is from Genesis 39, when Joseph wouldn't sleep with his boss's wife. And look, he had every reason, he's a young guy, he's a teenager, like, she's the boss too. Like, he had every reason to do it, and he said the words, how could I do such a thing and sin against God? And once again, he elevated. It was like, I'm not going against God because you're telling me to come to bed with me. And, man, that's a huge, that was a teenage boy that said that, you know?

he already realized something special about faithfulness. So we want to protect that. Four, the respectable Marquis protects the dignity of other people. And here's the way Joe put it. If I have denied justice to any of my servants, whether male or female, when they have a grievance against me, what will I do when God confronts me?

What will I answer when called to account? Did not he who made me in the womb make them? do not the same does not the same one form us both within our mothers in other words what makes me so special that i have the right to disrespect another person i don't we're all human beings and so i want to treat other i want to protect dignity of everybody possible and look a lot of times people don't protect it themselves that's on them but it's not going to be on me and so i love that idea that that's part of what you should see as a man to be respectable number five protects blessings by being consistently generous.

And he said it this way, if I have denied the desires of the poor or let the eyes of the widow grow weary, if I have kept my bread to myself, Zach, not sharing it with the fatherless. Our good friends at Preborn Network Clinic, as they believe in life as we do, what they want to offer is some passion without pressure.

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To donate securely, dial pound 250, say the keyword baby. That's pound 250 baby. Or go to preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed. I love that idea that we should be, I think a lot of times men think like that's the wife's job is to be the generous person and to go and do the thing. But I mean, can I not be generous? Should I not be the first one that says, hey, let's let's, let's, what? What can we get?

What can we do in this situation? How can we help this situation? So we need to leave with generosity, which I thought was really good. Six is protects contentment from greed. It kind of goes along with the same thing. And this kind of goes back to the rich young ruler, Jay's. I have put my trust, if I have put my trust in gold or said to pure gold that you are my security. And so I think another thing is men, sometimes, you know, especially like we're working, we're trying to be a provider.

but man, we don't want greed to ever be the lead when it comes to family or anything else. I mean, our security shouldn't come from that. It has to come from the Almighty and something greater than that. It doesn't mean we don't need to provide and earn a buck and work. We all should. We should be productive. But that shouldn't be our security. And so Lisa and I have talked a lot about that her favorite verse was Philippians 413,

which I can do all things to Christ who strengthens me. in the context Paul was talking about in Philippians 4 that we find contentment in him. That's how we can do all things through us. We have to be able to find that contentment. And he was in prison when he wrote that. Exactly, yeah, and was joyful. And then the last one, which to me is probably the most important one, protects your future by being a person of forgiveness. He said, I have not allowed my mouth to sin by invoking a curse against my enemies.

And even his own friends said some rough things to him. But he basically said, you know what? I want to be a man who's not vengeful. And the only way you don't have vengeance is if you're a person of forgiveness. And that protects your future because you can't have a relationship without, I'm wrong, I'm sorry, I love you. I mean, the nine hardest words, you know, which means. Okay, I want to add one. All right.

We got a number eight. because this Job 19 has always fascinated me because, and I brought up that about the resurrection and what's going to happen, and so I don't know how you want to word the title of this. I guess I'm thinking, how do you protect your eternal relationship with God when things go wrong?

Which this went dreadfully wrong, and it was, we live in an evil world. He was, I mean, the evil one who is not omnipotent and omnipresent, just to say, decided to make it his ambition to destroy this. And sometimes in your marriage and sometimes in life, things are going to go wrong here, and we live in an evil world. I want to read this.

I think this is profound. This is Job 1917. He says, my breath is offensive to my wife. Something you can probably understand. Only in the morning. I am loathsome to my own brothers, Al. This is something. Okay.

Even the little boys scorn me when I appear they ridicule me. All my intimate friends detest me. Those I love have turned against me. And you realize the power of this. You know, we're laughing. And he says, I am nothing but skin and bones.

Because you're right, out, those three points that happened to him. I have escaped with only the skin of my teeth. But then when he gets to verse 25, and this is what I found so profound, I thought of this, when you said this is such an ancient book, and some say it's maybe the first actual scroll that was discovered. Listen to what Jobb had concluded, way before Jesus ever died and was buried and resurrected. And all this he's going through, verse 25, I know that my Redeemer lives and that in the end, he will stand upon the earth.

Wow. And after my skin has been destroyed, listen to this. Yet in my flesh I will see God. I myself will see him with my own eyes. I and not another how my heart yearns within me. I thought, old Job has figured out the resurrection in the worst possible lowest pit. It could go back to the Proverbs 31 woman. he was raised with those fundamental values taught in his home by word and by deed by his father and his mother.

That's how he knew that. It is passed down from the beginning of time, and he is part of that. Yeah. And we know the story about how God redeems him, but it's still painful. I know it was very extremely difficult, but I just, I think in the middle of all this, how in the world did he ever figure all that out and have that perspective with everything going on? And I find it the whole key to the whole book, because I'm like, we do the same. We have no excuse.

We know the gospel, and we know things are going to go bad in this evil world. And I think that is the anchor that sometimes you just have to anchor down and get back to the simplicity of God's redemptive story. But doesn't it show you, too, in the end, that God's will. way is always the best way because the evil one here through everything he had at Joe. But God said, I trust him to do the right thing. Well, right. I mean, that's huge because we look at the evil ones. That's scary.

It's scary. But look, it's also very, it gives you so much confidence because you know whatever Satan's throwing at you, God's way is always going to be better. And mainly because of the resurrection. Well, I think it's a preview to that new regeneration that Jesus was speaking. of and even from the mouth of Job. This was written to be a shadow to what Jesus would accomplish. And I think you find it right in the middle of this spiritual warfare book that not only

does God want to save us, he won't save us forever. That's why he was so appalled at this question of, well, who's, you know, who's why, who's going to be the husband of this woman? I mean, when I think about our relationship, babe, we're way beyond just saying I do. I mean, we've become best friends. We've become brother and sister in the Lord. We've become warriors for our kids. So all of a sudden, at the resurrection, I'm not going to know you?

No. Oh, no. It's way beyond. And that's why he viewed it as that birth process. What we will be has not been made known. That's why the brother and sister aspect is so much even stronger than the husband and wife in that sense of what God does when he fuses you together. I remember we're almost out of time, but I remember Smith one time. was teaching and Lisa looked over at me because he said, you know, there'll be no marriage in

heaven. And Lisa looked at me like, well, I don't want to go to heaven. Well, you know what? As a man, I thought, man, I sure wanted to procreate up there. But I realized, just like the birth process, this is way beyond. You don't, don't under. And that's why I told Lisa, I was like, hey, we're still going to be, I mean, we're best friends. We're, trust me, we're going to. going to know each other for eternity. We're soulmates. The key line is don't underestimate the power of God. It's way better. Before we close, I do got to say one thing, though. The first person I ever heard, like, make that point that you just made, I want to procreate in heaven. I was in a group

with one of our mentors, Bill Smith, and there was one guy in the room that complained about that. The fact that I'm not going to be able to procreate in heaven, and you know who that gentleman was? my dad was your dad missus his dad oh my dad yeah he said that Larry said that but I thought okay Larry

and he was about you know 70 years old when he said it that gave me go Larry go Larry I'm so thankful well babe I had to drop that in Jason's so glad

thanks so much no no I'm so glad that he's fired up about it or you wouldn't even be here that's exactly okay can we end this all right listen Missy's uncomfortable.

It's time to end. Maddie, did we do good? All right, Maddie gave us that thumbs up. We'll see you next time. Thank you, ladies, for joining us for two podcasts. They got embarrassing. Oh, God. That was so funny.

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