Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1290 | Korie Robertson Gets Real About Willie’s Love & Their New Tribute to Phil on 'Duck Dynasty'

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Korie reflects on the joy of a growing Robertson family and what this new season of life with Willie looks like as grandkids, changing roles, and everyday sacrifices reshape their perspective on love. Jase recounts his embarrassing loss in a showdown with a bear on Willie’s putting green and the real story behind the infamous HOA chicken dispute that made its way into a “Duck Dynasty” episode. Korie shares about the emotional tribute to Phil in “Duck Dynasty: The Revival” and the powerful legacy he left behind. The guys, Korie, and Jill wrestle with what true greatness really means and why Jesus flipped the world’s definition of it upside down through love, sacrifice, and service. In this episode: 1 John 3, verse 16; 1 John 3, verses 19–20; 1 John 4, verse 4; 1 John 5, verse 9; Matthew 16, verses 13–23; Matthew 18, verses 1–4; John 3, verse 16 “Unashamed” Episode 1290 is sponsored by: Text UNASHAMED to 64000 and get a FREE pocket pivot & 10-pattern sprayer with the purchase of ANY size Copper Head hose! https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 A “Bizarro World” Podcast Lineup 03:05 The Shroud of Turin: Resurrection Evidence? 08:40 Jase’s Fights a Bear & the HOA 13:18 Family Life in the Robertson Neighborhood 22:40 Jase on Phil’s Powerful Tribute Episode 28:40 1 John: Why God Is Greater Than Our Hearts 36:30 Jesus Redefines Greatness Through Service 44:05 Real-Life Examples of Sacrificial Love 49:30 Finding Greatness in Everyday Acts — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashame. It's like we're in a bizarro world. I was literally talking that phrase. We think a lot of like. So because we get the call, Zach's, he's got a big meeting. And he and I were praying this morning about that. And he said Jill was coming and I get here.

And Maddie said, I don't know. Jill's not going to be here. And I said, I just talked to Zach. an hour ago. And then she said, well, Sai's coming in. And so that was the last podcast, which was a lot of fun.

Jill is back. And now we've replaced Sai, another major upgrade with Corey. Corey, welcome back to O'SJ. Thank you for that introduction. Oh, upgrade from Sai. I'm sitting inside.

I feel like I'll have a lot, you know, to like fulfill if I'm sitting inside seat. Trust me, the bar's low. Half of what Sai just said, did not read. I had no idea what he was talking about. And for those of you that will probably comment about Jay's Interrupt and Side too much,

in Jay's defense, we were just trying to get where we needed to go. Yeah, I apologize for Interrupting Side, but I thought he was like it was a cry for help a couple of times. Because he started talking. Well, he would stop and have this long pause, and I thought, he needs some help, you know, because he was thinking. It was. And what we were talking about about the greatness of God, but he was getting so excited about it. So he was getting fired up. But in size of defense, too, he just did a, you know, over an hour podcast and ads.

And Corey was here doing something amazing. So I want to hear about this. I'm coming in from a two-hour podcast talking about the shroud of Turin. And I say that slowly for everyone. Okay. And from my camp, the Shroud of Turin. The Shroud of Turin. Which is where it was found.

Is that correct? Turin is where it is now in Italy, Turin, Italy. But it has traveled around, which I've learned a lot in the last two hours. I had heard about it before and actually had seen his name, Dr. Jeremiah Johnson. Jeremiah Johnson. Not Liberating Johnson, right? Yes. Another Jeremiah Johnson, yes.

From the Western? Well, it's not him. Not him. Maybe he's a descendant. But that happens to be his name, yes. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding you. I would have taken that as a sign for something.

Well, you'll have to listen to it because he's on Sadie's where that's good, and he's here in person, like just in the next studio. Across the hall. Well, when I came in, all the red lights are on here, so everybody was recording at the same. Does he have a long beard and like, does he have any kind of jar? He doesn't really look like the Jeremiah Johnson that you would think, yeah. Did he say I've been to a town? No, but you could ask him. He might say that for you.

I mean, I'm going to have to say something. He might say that for you. So he's on Sadie's podcast today, which is. We'll come out probably whenever this drops later. Right. And he's an expert on this shroud that is the burial cloth of Jesus. And he says it's not the death cloth. It's the resurrection cloth because it has this incredible, never, there's no other

shroud. There's no way to replicate this per all of his scientific study, an impression of Jesus' body, his wounds, all the different, all of it corroborates with scripture. And so it's not just on his face. This would have been covering his whole body. Covering his whole body. I'm reading this. I thought the same thing.

I'm reading this because I have never heard of it. The shroud of Turin. For the first time ever, Jase has heard of the Shrout of Turin. Which is really. 14 by 3.5 foot linen cloth bearing the faint negative image of a crucified man, traditionally believed to be the burial shroud of Jesus Christ. So from my reading about it. So you have to go across the hall because.

he's got the replica over there, the 14th foot. Here. It's here. Well, look, kept in the cathedral of Turin, Italy. Yes. It is one of the most studied, uh-oh, controversial relics in history with scientific debates spanning centuries regarding whether it is a medieval forgery or an authentic 2,000-year-old artifact. So tell what your dad. What did your dad say?

You'll have to hear it to decide whether or not. That's right. Hold on. Let me get on the edge of my seat. Bye. Well, I'm not going to spoil it. Y'all are going to have to listen to the whole thing. You're going to have to listen to the whole thing.

But I will say this, my dad, who is a skeptic about a lot of things. He definitely, we didn't grow up in a faith tradition that, you know, believed in a lot of this type of things. And so my dad said he learned about it back in the 70s. It was, there's a whole study that happened back in the 70s. He heard about it back in the 70s and pretty immediately wrote it off because of some different reasons why some people are skeptical of it. And after today, listening.

to the two-hour presentation, he said he is no longer a skeptic. Oh, he's in. That's a big. That is a big testimony. That is. Because Johnny Howard, John Howard, now, I guess, he's Johnny to us. Corey's dad is a man that no matter what you're talking about, no matter what you're looking at, and it could be just something like, that's a cup of coffee.

He will look at every angle in every discussion. Does he not? Yes, he will. I love that about it. Oh, I do too. I realize now what a gift it is, because me, I'm just like, I don't care. But Johnny's going to care. He's a straight shooter.

And look, the only time we had our little falling out was over the HOA thing. It was on the show. Well, but you know how that episode came to be? Because Johnny really was happy about something. He knocked on my door and said, you're not allowed to have farm animals here. And I was like, who are you? I thought, were you the farm animal police? And he's like, no, it's HOA, which I didn't know what that was.

I said, what is that? Homeowners Association. I was like, I don't want to have anything to do with that. He's like, oh, no, you signed that when you bought this house. It was in the fine print. I can get a lawyer to show you. But all this wasn't like an argument. I appreciate it.

He was just, these are the facts. Yes. You've been grafted in to the HOA. Yeah. And I mean, I gave him a withering sermon about how chickens are in evidence of God. because they made it. Did you know about the red foul when you had that conversation? I didn't know the red jungle foul at that time, but I did know that you spent three podcasts on my chickens.

Oh, three full podcasts. This is John Luke now has chickens. I know, I know. So now John Luke's in violation of the HOA, I guess. And John Luke brought me eggs recently. Funny story. Y'all should do another episode. I took little man to see because Willie for some odd reason made a statue of a bear.

And I thought, what kid wouldn't like this? Which, by the way, we were taking pictures by this bear, it's this huge statue. It's a replica of Jack Nicholson has a core, Jack Nicholson, Jack Nicholas has a course designed in Florida, and it's called the bear and the bear trap, and there's a big bear there. Oh, that's where he got the idea. I was taking pictures of a little man, and for some reason, I mean, it has claws, and I was bent over. He almost fell down. So I went to grab him.

But when I raised up, the claws of that bear, I have claw prints on my lower back with blood. I'm a skeptic of death. I'm a belief in a shot of a turn, but I'm a skeptic that that bear created blood. I'm not going to show you because it's in a sensitive area. Please don't show me. But the bears crashed his bottom. I didn't think it was that bad until I told Missy. I said, look, this claw got me.

I was kind of telling it funny. She went, oh, my goodness, you're bloody. I mean, and I was like, what? Of course, I have a typical man. I got to go find a mirror and look. I was like, oh, my goodness. At least you didn't get her to take a picture of it, because that's what it was.

It's kind of embarrassing that I lost a fight with a statue of a bear. It's my first bear fight, but I heard chickens when this happened. I'm like, forget the bear. And I walked over there and took a look, and I thought, yep. And my mind went back to that argument that I had with your dad. Because that's his grandson now that's doing the chicken. And the whole episode happened because I went to the TV people who were like, what's going on?

I was like, well, I just had a knock down drag out over whether I can have chickens in my yard. They're like, let's do it. It sounds great. But I felt like the episode kind of embarrassed his position because after it was over, he came back to me and said, you know, I got to thinking about it. Why don't we have chickens? Which is the beauty of Johnny. He can always look at every side, even himself.

That's the way he always is. And it birthed another episode later in the series that included me once we moved into the neighborhood because we moved in to Randy and Joe Neal's house. Well, Randy's in the episodes as the HOA bad guy. Well, because that's what he is. I know. And so, well, then he's gone. So now the later episode, which is a little more like creative license, was you and Willie

running for the HOA president and then y'all were trying to get my support I forgot about that so they both come over and Willie brings me a pie because he said we know how to get Al through the stomach so that was a precursor to fat Albert but yeah we did a whole episode about that well and I just

want to go on record because everybody's like oh reality TV they had this whole idea of how that's going to work I was like oh no I'm giving a speech that I will write and I will give it and you will turn your cameras on and you If you don't want to run it, fine.

But I got up and I gave that speech. It was in Johnny's garage. The funniest part of that scene was mom and dad had come and she brought food because she didn't know what they were coming to. And it was an HOA meeting. And when she laughed, she was so upset about it that Jay's was so mishandled that she said, I'm taking this with him. She took her casserole back off.

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Come on in. Oh, my word. Here come the ladies, the ladies of face. We've been talking about the shroud of Turin. I'm just wondering if you're now a believer as well. We can't tell what happens. I felt like I was back in college. Yeah, we were laughing because, so we had like a little live audience over there

because everyone wanted to come see it and hear it. And I come in and Willie's in the back corner. And I'm like, are you in college? You're in the back seat? This is exactly like you are. Probably where he could slip out. Exactly. I was like, why don't you come sit up here on the front road with me?

He's like, no, I'm good. Are you crazy? It's just like college. This is the only time I see. I see him in the airports, which we've documented that. Yes. And he pops in our podcast. So to the audience, Willie has popped in yet again.

He did it the other day. I'm back, baby. Two times this week. It's like, it says like a family reunion for me. It is. Zach's missing out. And now let me guess. Let me guess.

Let me guess. You're leaving now. Jill. I don't know how she does what she does. See, y'all. Somehow she figures it out. I'm the junior. She is a pro.

No. No way. Okay, I'm going to clean some property. Go have fun, picking up sticks. He's been laughing at me because I'm like, Willie's out there picking up sticks. He's like, it sounds like I'm like picking up just like little twigs. I'm chopping down things.

He's got like a machine he's driving around now, right? This little thing. He's been. Does he still do the skid? No, he's hand by hand. I've been proud of him because I've thought I was always like, Willie, like, for his whole life, he's that guy. He loves a burn pile. He loves a burn pile.

He loves his stuff. So like now that our neighborhood's been destroyed, he's in heaven. And Jason's right there with him. Well, I like the actual work. You know, Willie used to work in our yard. Have y'all told that? That is true. Oh, yeah.

It was telling when Dave Ramsey was here. Yeah. Because y'all were on Dave Ramsey. Yeah, yeah. It's just a funny. He's never been afraid of a little yard work. He loves it. And so actually, just before the ice storm happened, we were saying,

that Willie had picked up every stick in the yard because he loves to do that. He had it, it looked like a park out there. And then the ice storm happened and then it was just disaster. So we're like, well, now you got a job for the next, you know, at least a year. I mean, and he's loving it. But he's been working hard. So he's heading back out there. So we were talking about John Luke, I was going to tell you this, Corey.

So when we were doing our Hillsdale podcast, you know, because I do a podcast with him, we were talking about the power being out. And my little trailer over there that I live in with all that. nice homes around it. I was the only one that had power the first night because Sadie's hadn't kicked in because they were having some issues with the generate. And so I was telling the story in John Luke. And I said, John Luke, I looked over at your place.

And I was looking at your mom and dad's house. And even John and Chris, they had a generator. But then nobody had lights. And I was like, wow, isn't there something that here I am with these lights and power? And John Luke said, yeah, one night I was looking out of my window and I saw the lights on it at your house. I was so cold and you had Christmas lights blinking. He said, I saw your Christmas lights and I was jealous.

I was the one, John Luke, why don't you just load up and come over there? You could have just bunked in with us. He said, I was too proud. I was too prideful. It just longingly across the way. It's just longingly seeing the blinking Christmas lights looking at him like, you know, Stark Vegas here on the side. But John Luke is so sneaky funny.

He's like, he's got Willie's like sense of humor, but he's sneaky about it because he's kind of nerdy. And so on the podcast, he'll come out with the funniest stuff. And Christian walks right into it because he's just the perfect foil, you know, for our podcast. So it's our own dynamic, but it works. I love it. And I'm Jace on that podcast. So I'm like the one that does all the talk.

Sorry to hear that. Yeah. Sending me a secret message. Now, I've told this story many times, but John Luke for about a year, every time we would sit down for supper, he would just show up. And I thought, how is this guy? What is going on? And I finally asked him, and he said, well, I'll see that light. I see that you turn the light on in the dining room.

That's how I know it's ready. He was a teenager. Yes, but he was a teenager. His window from his bedroom looked out into y'all's house, and he'd see your dining room light come on, and he'd bust in like, I would say like Kramer from Seinfeld. That's what he did. And you know, teenagers, there's never enough food.

Right. So he's just like, let me go see what they're eating tonight. And I'm not known for my cooking. I was about to say. I wasn't going to say that. I was going to say it. Corey is notorious as not being the best to cook. It would be unfair if you could cook too because you could do so many other things.

Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. So then we get the women together? That's why they need a buddy. That's why they need a buddy. And I wanted to say, Corey, just thank you, because you helped make this happen for our movie that just completed filming.

And so we just, we did the last scene two nights ago at my house. Oh, really? Yeah. I haven't heard that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's really, I've toyed with whether to tell it. And I think I'll just wait so the audience can see it.

But yeah, we're actually in the last scene, the real Alisa. So we're super excited about it. And I looked at some of, she showed me, the director was there. So she showed me a few scenes because she had us on our phone. and it looks great. I think it's going to be amazing. So thank you for that, because you help make that happen. Oh, well, I'm so excited for people to get to see your story.

It's quite the story. It is. It's so powerful. It impacted all of our lives. My line now is when I go out and speak, so because I'm just letting people, audiences, know. And so I'm like, have you ever seen the situation and said, man, this thing is so bad, it could be a lifetime movie. I pop up that slide is like, here we are. This is our lifetime movie.

It's a good line. It's a good line. Yeah. It's going to be great. I'm excited for people to see it. And I've gotten to see some of the daily, the video and things like that, and it looks incredible. Right.

And even, you know, I think I said this on a previous podcast, but even when we were interviewing with our actors playing us, because we spent a couple hours with them, they're trying to get to know you and this kind of thing. And you're giving them some insight into the story. But even that process, like these are young people. And so they're in different places in their lives and struggling with things as young people do. And so it gave us an opportunity to minister to them in those moments. And so then you realize that a project like this, like the blind, it winds up having an immediate impact on anybody.

Because it's not our story. It's God's story. And it just plays out before we got it straight and became newborns in Christ. And so once that happened, everything changed. So it's just a different way to tell us story. So what else is going on, Corey? Give us the updates before we get into. Well, we have twins.

Yeah, that's right. How many is this total now? This makes 11 for us, which is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Really, Corey, they got the prolifics in theirs. I mean, I've got seven now, and now mine are marrying in. That's how mine are. Yeah, and they're all right there in our neighborhood.

So we got grandbabies everywhere. Last night, everybody was over on the trampoline and all that. Little man, y'all are over on the trampoline a lot, which I love. love it. I love to look out the window and see y'all out there. We're going to, we're reaching a point where we're going to need name tags at all family functions. Yes, for real. We do our Thanksgiving. Now I feel like, because our Thanksgiving is like all the cousins, everybody, everyone knows everybody. But the first time we did it, all of our kids were like, no, who is this one? You know, who is this? We've got a big family now. It's great.

Well, and you had these interactions like the other night, Christian and Sadie were going out on a date. and so Anna was watching the girls and so she brought them over to our house which was awesome because that's when you get to know like you get to the conversations and her oldest honey is you tell her smart she is I mean and then her

and when she would say things I could hear him in the other room and she'd say things she sounded just like Sadie I mean like she picks up her mannerisms I was like this one here is a little but she can already spell her name and does all these things. She's four years old.

She is really smart. Yeah, she's so much like Zadie. It is kind of like reliving a little Sadie again. And she definitely picks up on everything everybody does and says super cute. That's a good thing. Yeah, super cute. And yeah, so we have twins. That's very exciting.

We're in love. Other big news are second season of the revival is out now. It's out. It's rolling. And I never knew it. I thought it was already out, which I was wondering because I thought, man, I did, I was in that a lot. You're in a lot of it, bringing the guys from duck boys to duck men.

That was the goal. It was kind of like this podcast. Can you tell whether you pulled it off or not, or is that a TBD? I would tell you this, in real life, it was actually great for our relationship. Because I was a little bit, you know, you get on TV, you can get away with anything. So I was really hammering them. But it was based on a true story because I was like, You're going to hunt out here.

We're men. And there are certain things that you need to learn and understand. And I think some of them weren't ready for the, I mean, I was. You put them through it. You did put them through it. I brought the hammer. Did you do like you did Zach and Bear? Because we talked about that in the last place.

It was kind of like that. I mean, I remember Christian coming to me just in real life. And he's like, I mean, you really have a problem with me? And I said, well, yeah. But it's a process, buddy. You're doing well. I mean, I was trying to build him back up a little bit. I thought, we were doing a TV show that I was speaking the truth,

but I was just doing it rather harshly. Yeah. You have to kind of condense it into a moment, yes. And there was an injury. Christian got hurt, like legitimately got hurt. Yeah. So. Man, it's part of it.

Is that revealed on the show? It's must see TV. Yes. Yes. Well, and you know what I said? You got to get back up. This is part of what we do. Right now in our communities, pregnant women are being pressured to make irreversible decisions in moments of fear and panic.

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We bonded over C.S. Lewis because, you know, Zach and John Luke, they're huge C.S. Lewis nerds. And so they had already read all the books. everything. And Christian and I are just like, we felt like back in college. And I'm cramming because half of what this man said, he's way over my head. And so we were relating to our audience out there that's like, what? And so we did a lot of fist bumps during that six lessons on CSL. So we've been friends now. I mean, in their defense, I put them on the spot because whatever coordination of the show that was going on, I was playing the role of my dad, I had no idea what was going on.

I showed up, said, come over here and sit down. Of course, they have no idea what's fixed to happen. I asked them basic questions is how our, I guess, through the episodes kind of merged, just about how to hunt, how to survive. So I would ask them questions, but, you know, on the spot, they were a little nervous, there's scammers around. They didn't know what to say. Well, Christian didn't grow up in a hunting family.

I mean, I think he had hunted like once or twice maybe before he came into the family. I mean, Jacob did. So Jacob had some more, you know, hunting knowledge. But I think he was just overwhelmed, you know. Yeah. I would just ask basic questions. Maybe a little intimidated. Yeah.

And let's face it, you were going out of your way to give it pretty good. But here's what I'll say. It made great TV. Oh, yeah. Because it's like, and it humbled them because they, I was asking them simple questions. And they were just like crickets. I'm sure they'll insert crickets. That's what we need.

Well, I always thought the original show anyway that dad was like, his stuff. is always so subtle. If you go back and watch it now, it's so funny, like the way he, it was just dad being dad. But that was like with Jay's doing that. So I see Jay's definitely kind of morphing into that person. It's funny, but it's also just like sharp.

You know, that's the way dad was when his stuff, you know, with all the STDs and with John Luke. Or the explaining the cold sex with the crawfish. I mean, those are classics, but that's just, that's what dad did. Yeah. Oh, I remember him having those conversations. with us when we were dating. Yeah, yeah.

It was totally not just for television. Well, speaking of Phil. When they ask about that, I'm sorry to know, when they ask about that, I always say what you saw in the original show was a lot of stories that happened with us when we were kids, but then we were retelling it with now dad's grandkids. Yeah. But you're right, every bit of that stuff he did like that. Go ahead.

No, I was going to say, speaking of Phil, if you missed the first episode, because it came out last week, if you missed the first episode, you've got to go back and watch because that's a tribute to fill. And it was, it's so powerful. It's so good. And Jace already revealed since he said he didn't even know seasons he was out that he hasn't watched it. So you got to go back and watch it. But here's the thing. And you can watch it on any, but also I think you can, you can buy them on Amazon for like a $1.99 an episode. So if you watch one, watch that one. Especially our audience. It's unashamed. You need to do it because you know how we revered dad. And in fact, Corey Jace blamed it on us, but he forgot his Bible today. and so dads, you know, we set it up over there.

It's always here on set. And so this is the second time Jason's had to go to it. But when we get into a Bible study, it's so amazing because we'll be somewhere, and we did this in the last podcast, and they were reading Dad's notes in the margin. And it's just like we still get to. It was so funny because I showed this on the last podcast. So he had 1st John 2, 1st John 3, and you're like, what did Phil think the problem was?

He just put one word up here. Sin. Exclamation point. That's so, Phil. I know what you mean, Phil. I got it. Look into your own heart. There's the problem.

That's great. Sin, STDs, you know, whichever. He's going to call him out. Yeah. Well, this episode is so special because, well, one, when we all watched it, I mean, we all just bawled. You'll cry when you see it. Well, maybe you won't. I don't know.

But we all cry. Probably we at this stage. It was pretty. And it was just like, this is the reason we did this whole revival. just for this one episode to happen, to get to have this tribute to Phil, and for Phil's words to just reverberate again. And I mean, he, you know, we got to preach the gospel through Phil on this episode. And there's a lot of flashbacks to Phil, a lot of times when he speaks.

There's actually flashbacks to Unashamed podcast to you guys. Oh, wow. And you're talking about Phil after his passing. And there's, like Kay got to do an interview after Phil passed. which was really, really powerful. I was nervous for her. I was there with her when she did it because I was just like, you know,

I just don't want, you know, I want this to be special for her. And she just did so great. And at the end of it, she ended up loving it. She told the producer who was asking her the question, she was like, you didn't think I could talk this much, did you?

You didn't think I was that funny. You know, it was just sweet to see her enjoying talking about feel and reminiscing and making the producer laugh a little bit and everything. It was really sweet. So it's a very special episode. You've got to go back and watch that one.

Well, I'm excited now. I am too. It's worth the trip. I am too. So we want to talk a little bit about First John, since we've got two lovely ladies here who are women of God. I'm on for it. So in the last podcast, Corey,

Jay's had this thought, and I'll just pick it up there. And if we get into these first few verses, chapter four, we will. But he was talking about this phrase here in verse, is it 19? on the greater. Yeah. This then is how we know that we belong to the truth. This is first time 319, that we belong to the truth

and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence. We've been talking about that quite a bit here lately. Whenever our hearts condemn us, for God is greater than our hearts and he knows everything. And so he kind of took off on that term greater. And then he also says that John says that in first time four and in first time five.

Well, in the first John four, I would argue is one of the themes of what John's trying to get across. It's just such a profound statement in 4-4. He says, you dear children are from God and have overcome them, talking about the spirit of the Antichrist and the world. But he's like, you've overcome that because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. So you're starting to see a theme here by John.

It's like he's greater than our hearts. He knows everything. The one in us is greater than the spirit of the world. And then when he gets to 1st John 5, we were talking about testimonies and telling our story. But he says that God's testimony is greater than our testimony, 1 John 5.9. We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his son. So good.

And I made a point in Matthew where when Jesus was predicted to be born, in Luke's version, it says he'll be great. It's like he'll be the son of man, all these different things. But he'll be great. And so I went through this thing. I heard it on a sermon somewhere in Matthew, where he gives the sermon on the Mount, he does all these parables,

he does all these miracles, and you get all the way to Matthew 18, and the disciples, they've been talking, and they come up, and they're like, we've got a question for you, who's the greatest in the kingdom? Because they were looking at it from their perspective, and I made the point where there's other examples where John and who was with John that got their mom. James and John, get their mom to say, hey, my son sit on the right and let him. after the washing of the feet, an argument breaks out on who's the greatest. And so we were talking about this, how our hearts condemn us in that, because we want to be great. And I made three little points just about our identity.

We want to be known. We want to be loved. And we want to be secure. And that's where all that comes from, where everybody's arguing about who's the greatest, who's the greatest, even the disciples, seeing the greatest human that's ever lived. and they're over there thinking, ooh, who's the greatest? And so Jesus does this incredible illustration.

We're just talking about having 11 kids. He takes a kid and puts it out in front of them and say, you want to be great? This is what greatness looks like. And I think John is riffing off that. Maybe he's still embarrassed about his mom going. Because he keeps calling us children of God. We are children of God.

He said that at the end of chapter 2. and God's greater than our heart. The one in you is greater. His testimony is greater. Why are you getting all this pressure about trying to be great and make a name for yourself when he's making you great? And that was kind of where we were at. I don't know if y'all want to give y'all's thoughts on that.

No, yeah, because we had to just end it there because we ran out of time. But I was thinking definitely that John now, and I think, Jill, you said this in the last podcast, that this is the guy that even referred to himself. his third person in his own book, the one who Jesus loved. He wouldn't even refer to himself because he probably was embarrassed about him as a young man. But he gets it now as an older man because now he figures out when Jesus had that comment about the 12 thrones, there's one text where he says, you'll sit on the 12 thrones. That's when he says that the renewal of all things.

Right. And so in their minds, I'm sure when they heard that, oh, I get my throne. So that's all these greatness questions. What they didn't realize was that the throne of Christ is down below. I mean, his throne is one that serves. And he was down on his knees. And so, and I look at it even in my own life, as at least I've gotten older, and doing this movie project really made us think about it.

I mean, like, your grandkids, they think you're great, but only because you love them and you serve them and you do anything. And it's like it totally flips. It's not like you're the boss of people. It's like you want to, you know, it just kind of natural. fits. Have you noticed that? That's so good. Yeah, that's so true. I was thinking of, I remember, Irwin-Metmanis talked about this one time about that exact scripture, and he talked about

how Jesus is not saying, like, don't try to be great. He's saying, what makes you great is not what you think. It's not, it's the opposite. And yeah, the older you get, the more you, like, realize that when you're younger, you're trying to be all these things and think that's what makes you, and that becomes your identity or whatever. And then as you grow, you're like, oh, what people really want is just me to be with them, me to serve, me to love and care for. And so, yeah, that point of just that. And I think that actually in that conversation we just had with Dr. Jeremiah Johnson,

we were talking about John 316 and about for God to love the world that he gave his only son and how transformative that was for the reader to read during that time period because another gods were like that. They weren't there to serve. They weren't coming for you. They weren't there to give their son. And then here again, Jesus is saying, like, you know, all, this is so transformative for that time period because they're thinking,

what makes you great is your wealth and your power and all this. And he's like, no, it's opposite. And so how much of scripture, even to our ears, we kind of like know it a little bit. But the people that were originally being taught this, that was like mind-blowing. Well, and we did in our Hillsdale course on ancient Christianity, I learned something I didn't know.

I always learned stuff I didn't know, but I didn't know that Caesar Augustus, who was the emperor during the same era, they were making him to be a son of God because he was the first emperor to be declared, and there's all these similarities. Well, that was all done by triumph, and because Rome ruled the world.

And so, again, for such a time as this, God would send his son during this time where all of known humanity was calling this guy a son of a son of God because he was the emperor, that he would then say that was going to be what the emperor is going to be for the next 300 years. They're a God. And so, and here Jesus comes out of this completely humble situation,

unknown, nobody, I mean, even the Jewish leadership didn't know who he was. Remember, they were confused everywhere where he was from, and yet the son of God would come and then die a death and then be raised. And all these things that happen. There was no other. That's why Christianity is so unique.

This is a perfect segue on what I wanted to get to, because that Matthew 18, I think what led to that was what happened in 16, when Jesus, he comes up in verse 13. He goes to the region of Cessaria Philippi, and he asked his disciples. And this is a familiar passage, but based on what we've talked about,

I think there's a principle here that I can't get out of my head. And he says, who do people say the son of man is? And they replied. So it's kind of like, you know, you can imagine. They're all gathered around. It's like, who do people say the son of man is? And they're like, oh, let's try to get this right. John the Baptist, others say Elijah and still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.

So they didn't really answer the question. I mean, to his liking. They just gave, this is what people are saying. And I think this comes back, this next question comes back to this part about if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts. Because Jesus is like, well, what about you? Who do you say I am? Well, Simon Peter answered, you're the Christ, the son of the living God. Jesus replied, blessed are you, Simon, for this was not revealed to you by man, but my father in heaven.

tell you that you're Peter, and on this rock, I'll build my church and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I'll give you the keys to the kingdom, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound, and whatever you bind in heaven, whatever you loose on earth, will be loosed in heaven. And then he warned us as I was not to tell anyone. So you know what happens here. Peter starts thinking, ooh, you know. Sounds like I'm the mini-man. me. Well, yeah, and this can, I had a revelation from God himself. That I didn't even know about it.

And I got some keys that y'all don't have. And I think that's what happened. But you forget that then they have this next conversation about where he predicts his death. Yeah. So, I mean, the next thing that happens, from that time on, Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers, and Al, what you just said, and that he must be killed on the third day be raised to life.

So now this new Peter pulls him off to the side. Can you imagine? He comes up and said, let me explain this. Because I really believe. Let me push back on what you just said. I believe the greatness in his mind was real. He's like, see what I said? See, I have emerged as the greatest, which is, what?

Why, two chapters later, I think they come up and say, well, now let's just go ahead and say who's the greatest. Because you say, what happened? Jesus, Peter took him side and began to rebuke him. Lord, he said, this shall never happen to you. Because in his mind, this is not the Lord and Son of God. He wants to follow one that is betrayed and dies, which makes sense in his mind. And Jesus, I mean, one thing that you can say, sometimes Jesus is not nice when it comes to the truth. He's like, out of my sight, Satan, you are a stumbling block to me.

You don't have, and this goes to what Corey said, you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men. And so what hit me, though, and there's a point I want to make, he believed Jesus is the son of God. He just said it a few verses later. Right. And it made me think of churches that are filled with people that acknowledge Jesus is the son of God. However, they don't understand what that means in their own life and what that's going to look like. And the part what you said about what greatness really is, you may have to suffer. You may die, which he eventually did.

And boy, it was a sharp contrast, which continued this argument about who the greatest. But I just thought that was so profound on what that. that looks like, which is John's whole point in First John, if you claim to love God, you're going to love other people. That's not going to be easy. And it'll cost you something. I think that's the thing that it's so hard for us to get outside of the mindset of just an earthly kingdom and to Corey's point what we think greatness is. But if you look at your own life, if I look at my life and I think What about my life has been my great moments or the greatest things that I've experienced or gone through? They have all cost me greatly.

I would think of having kids. It cost me my body, time, money, the rest of my life, you know. Comfort. You know, I think of us adopting Ruth. You know, we talked a little bit about this on the last podcast. You know, I was 40 years old. my kids were all, you know, functioning independently, you know, and we started over in life as parents with an infant. That cost us something, but it was and is still the greatest cost,

you know, ever. And I think that's just the hard thing. And that was Jesus's message always, to your point. What you think is great is actually not great. But when you get down and when you serve and when you get involved in people's life and it's sometimes messy and it sometimes, you know, doesn't work out perfectly. And labor sometimes goes bad and all the things. But when you're involved in people's life, that's where true greatness is. Well, this whole section started off when he said, First John 316, this is how we know what love is. Which I always think of that song. I want to know what love is.

I'm like, 1 John 360. If you want to know what love is, we have a quote from heaven. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for one another. And it's so interesting. We're talking about this. We did a Zoom call with my son and his wife, and there are three kids this morning before I came up here.

And, you know, Brighton is 34 weeks. weeks, you know? And I thought, you want to know what laying down your life is? And Reed made a joke about it, which she didn't laugh. But he's like, because I said, whoa, Brighton, you're getting there. And she's like, oh, yeah, you have no idea. And Reed said, we're at the guttural utterance stage. Every time she moves, she's like, all day.

and I thought, this is what laying down your life, you're surrounded by three little kids. And it made me think of that story of Matthew 18. I just thought, man, these kids, they don't just happen. Right. There is a lot of laying down everything that you just described, Jill. And we're grateful for it. I just watched Mary Kate go through a twin pregnancy. And there was, yeah, I mean, it's a sacrifice.

You know, the guttural utter sister. Yes, I got to watch, you know, them be born. And it's, it's a sacrifice. It's hard work. I slept with two grandbabies last night. It was a sacrifice of my sleep because I had feet in my side. A lot of like, Willie just went upstairs. So he was just like, never mind.

I'm going to go to the other room. I was like, it was like musical spots in the bed. I'd moved to another spot that I didn't have a foot in me. And then, you know, they would keep seek. They'd find me. Yes, exactly. So I definitely know what that is. We were doing appearance last week.

And Lisa says something that she's never said before. to me and never said publicly either. And it kind of caught me off guard because she was talking about, we were talking about this idea of serving each other. And she was talking about when she had, after the breast cancer surgery and the reconstruction, that, you know, she had all these drains and stuff you have to do.

And she, we had some of our friends and one of them as a nurse. And so they were like, well, you know, I know you don't want to do all this and probably don't know what you're doing. And so we'll help. and we'll do the drain cleaning and all this. And this was like the first day, you know,

she was going to come home from the hospital. But I remember saying, when they asked me, I said, I really appreciate y'all. That's awesome. But no, like, this is my job. This is what I'm supposed to do. Like, this is why God has me here. I need to serve her in this way.

And I'm going to learn how to do it. And I'm going to do it well. And so the text showed me everything and how to do it. And you had to put the glows on. It was multiple times a day. It's a tough job. but for a week, that's what I did. And Lisa, here's what the part she's never said before.

She said, you know, I always thought, you know, when Al forgave me, because we'd already told her story, so the audience knew that, that, you know, I wasn't sure whether he loved me that much or he loved God that much. Because I always felt like he made the decision because he loved God so much that he was like going to do right by me because of his faith, but not really for me until he did that for me. Wow. And then she said, and then I knew that he loved me that much. And I was like, I mean, I was teared up. Then she looks at me like, okay, you go.

And I'm just like, give me a minute here. I hadn't heard this before. But looking at it from her perspective, I see that. And when you see this text and you see what Jesus did for us, and you see what God did for us by sending us Jesus, it shows us about this love you mentioned in John 3. And the idea that he is love, later he says in chapter 4. And so you say, well, how could we possibly do this?

You know, because John said, walk like Jesus did. But we do what Jesus did. That's why he walked to the cross and then they put him in the tomb and then he walked out to show us it could be done. And that's what we do when we're reborn, as you hit that the last day. We walk to the tomb. We're buried. we come forth with new life

and then we understand that it's in love and compassion that continue to go out. So it is a beautiful picture. I mean, it does give you so much confidence when you really begin to grasp the greatness that comes from the love of God. What advice would y'all give? I mean, these principles sound so great,

but on a daily basis, we all live in the world, we're distracted. I'm curious to know, because y'all are not on our podcast much. What does that look like in your everyday life. How do you try to get these principles of having the mind on godly things rather than how great we are?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that, what you were saying about, Lisa is saying that for you, I was joking at the beginning about Willie Loving to pick up six, and he does. He likes to do that work. But more than that, it is a sacrifice for our family. He's cleaning up our family land. So it's beautiful for all of us, for us to enjoy.

So the kids can be safe out there because there's limbs that are sticking up everywhere and all that. So it is, it's more than that, and I've seen that in him. It's, it's, every time I see him out there working, I get emotional about it because I'm like, it's so sweet that he's doing that for our family, you know, because he could just stay there or whatever. Or hire somebody. But he loves, he loves them. He loves doing it because he loves, and I think back as his childhood, you know, y'all know, y'all saw he loved to clean the yard for Kay because Kay loved that because he talked about Phil didn't, Phil didn't really care about that.

That was not something Phil cared about. So I think Willie loved doing that as a child for his mom because she appreciated that. And now I see him doing that for all of us. So it's a sacrifice. It's showing his love for us by doing that. No, I agree. Missy asked me, she's like, I didn't see you work this hard. But I said something that I wasn't trying to just have a moving moment, but it moved her.

I was like, babe, as much stuff as you got going on, I don't want you to worry about this part. I got this. Yeah. It's something I can do. You just don't even give it a second thought, you know? And boy, next thing I know, she was getting emotional about it. But I was like, I know.

I was getting emotional talking about it. I didn't even know I was going to. It's crazy. Jill, any last words were almost out of time. Well, I just, I love, you know, listen to you talk about Willie. I think God gifts you with something that you love in nature, whether that's cleaning up yard or whether that's sewing or baking or whatever it is. And I think he gifts you that to pour out for other people.

And so whatever that is in your life, it's the little things. It's not necessarily the big things, like the conversation with Missy. I just think with my kids, it's just being sacrificially present for them in everyday conversations, in drives to school, in, you know, taking them from one sporting event to the next. It's just being present. And I think that's one of the ways we can actually serve the greatest is being in the moment and not so far ahead of it. That's so good. And I guess in Jill, in your case, it'd be doing the, what is you, what are you doing the wheat germ bread?

I'm milling my own grain. Yes, it's really fun. I'm baking all day, every day. That's what I'm doing. It was such a Zach moment, Jill, when he told us about it, because I knew him well. He didn't say this, but I knew what the problem was, and Lisa backed me up on it. It's because he had to buy all this stuff. Because first he was like, I mean, why are we doing all this wheat stuff?

Why didn't he just kind of buy a loaf of bread? But I know it's because he's so tight. He's looking all this stuff jails by. And then he said, I walked in and I smelled the bread. And it all went away. That's right. And then he's bragging about it then. It didn't take them wrong.

He was grinding their own grain, you know. Which is awesome. There's a lot of health benefits, too. it, but that's another podcast for another day. So we'll bring you back for that. Well, thank you both for adding so much to the podcast today because we were, we were flailing a little bit of Jay's and I. What were going to do when it was just me and Jay?

So y'all brought much wisdom and blessing to the podcast. Happy to be. This was fun. Loved it. Awesome. Thank you. See you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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