Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1292 | Jase Slams ‘Doom Scrolling’ & What Men Are Really Looking For

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Phil’s bold line resurfaces as the guys reflect on his lasting impact and what it means to carry his legacy into a new era without him. As the Robertson family grows and roles begin to shift, they wrestle with what it looks like for men to lead well and for older generations to train the next. Jase pushes back on a phone-obsessed culture that avoids hardship, arguing that real growth still comes the hard way. The guys investigate testing truth by its fruit, why real faith can’t be faked, and how following Jesus always leaves its mark. In this episode: 1 John 2, verses 12–14; 1 John 4, verses 1–6; Romans 8, verse 25; Revelation 1, verses 12–16; Galatians 2, verses 11–21; Galatians 5, verses 16–26; Galatians 6, verse 17 “Unashamed” Episode 1292 is sponsored by: https://chministries.org/unashamed — See why Christians are ditching health insurance for good. Get a simpler alternative at half the cost! https://www.bruntworkwear.com/unashamed — Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code Unashamed at checkout. https://texassuperfood.com — Get 35% off your first order when you use code Unashamed. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 “For the Love of Phil” Episode 6:05 Honoring Phil’s Legacy & Family Reflections 12:15 Training the Next Generation in Faith 16:40 Jase Steps Into a New Role Without Phil 21:05 Guns, Bibles & Cultural Responsibility 25:30 Phones, “Doom Scrolling” & Learning the Hard Way 36:45 Jesus Never Advocates Sin 43:20 You Can’t Fake Spiritual Fruit 48:10 Bearing the Scars of Following Jesus  — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. So Corey was on recently, and she was telling us, Zach, a little bit about the new season for Duck Dynasty of the Revival, which, are you still, you're like a producer or something, right? I'm one of the producers on it, yeah. The first episode came out. Really? I did like six or seven episodes of this new season,

and guess who I never saw? Who's that? One of the producers named Zach. I never saw you. That term is used very, very loosely around here, Jay's. That just means he's somewhere in the background. Oh, I didn't know. I mean, I'm not making fun of you, Zach, because everybody.

So it came out, but Jason and I had not seen the episode. when Corey was on, but she was telling us a little bit about it. And so I watched it last night. So you're talking about this is the first episode. First episode, you are... Of the season two. Season two, yes.

Wow, don't get to thinking, like, I know what's happening. I filmed that so long ago. Yeah. And I took Phil's role in that, in that I had no idea what was going on at any time. I just showed up and did whatever I thought I would normally do. Well, and what they, so I want to tell you about it, a couple of things. One is it's an excellent episode.

I mean, being a part of the world, obviously, but then also being a fan and watching the show through the years, I felt like this particular episode was probably the most like the original series of everything, all of the new stuff they're doing, and I've enjoyed this whole series. Because they did a, what would you call it? Corey described it, but I can't remember what she said. It's a tribute to Dad. Okay. The name of the episode is called for the love of Phil.

Oh, really? Yeah, that's the name of the episode for the love of Phil. And you're in it quite a bit. You did some interview bites in it, but they're kind of setting up because I kind of know where it's going. So they set up like what you're going to be doing. I don't remember doing any interviews. Was it like? You did interview with Willie.

Is you and Willie together? Oh, I do. Oh, I remember that. That was very awkward for me to be sitting beside Willie. I could tell you. Hey, there was one moment where I literally threw him under the bus so bad that we got so tickle we had to stop. Well, they didn't show that. I wish they would have.

If we fix it all in post, Jace, that's one of the areas. a focus on is taking the awkward and then we fix it in post. Yeah. Well, they may run that later. They may run. No, no. We, they interviewed us about all kinds of stuff. Okay.

So I'm sure they're going to go back to that. Ow, we sat there at least two hours. Oh, well. Which is kind of long for an interview. And you probably only had, I'd say a minute worth of bites at different points. But what they did was, which I love this, to tell our unashamede, audience. If you hadn't checked the show out, you need to watch it. And especially this one, because for you guys that love Dad, and I know a ton of you out there do love Dad, you're going

to love this episode because it's, Dad's all through it. And they did a ton of his clips and sayings from, you know, the whole first run of the show. And, and, but what I was pleased with, is what I really enjoyed was they showed a lot of bites, including a couple from Unashamed, from the podcast of us talking about dad. So they had a lot from Duck Call Room, a lot from Sadie's podcast, a little from ours. But they wove that into the show. And so, and it's kind of the backdrop was they're having this.

They call them field days and they were doing all these competition stuff. And all that was funny because that was like Christian and Jacob and all these rivalries, you know, that Willie's kids and son-in-laws. stuff. But it was really, really well done. And look, I'm going to admit it. I made, I did great, like the whole episode. And then the last two minutes, I mean, got me. I was just sitting there crying. Really? It's like a blubber. Yes. I mean, I was, tears were flowing. The last two minutes of the episode is beautiful. You're crying. And now I'm going to do something I don't do very often. I'm going to have to offer an

apology to this fella, because he said he listened to the podcast also. I got off that plane two nights ago at midnight, and I was walking to my truck, and there was a guy driving like a shuttle, which was kind of strange, because you usually don't see that in Munro. Well, you know why. The shuttle takes the pilots and the flight attendant to the hotel. Oh, well, that's what it was. And so I'm walking, and he said, hey, Jay.

And I was like, hey, because I never know who I know. Because a lot of people say, hey, Jace. And I'm like, hey, good to see you. And he said, I really enjoyed that episode tonight. And I was like, it wasn't me. I mean, because I thought, I've been in Phoenix, Arizona. And I was like, I hadn't filmed anything recently. He was talking about, because did that come out Saturday?

He came out Saturday, no. Yeah. So I apologize. I guess it was. me. It was you. Yeah, I was on that show. So, anyway, that's embarrassing.

Well, he's probably thinking, I don't taste. We have Al crying and me apologizing. Well, Al, we filmed that a while ago. Yeah, and I could tell because Sadie was still like really big pregnant, you know, in this episode. And obviously, that's been a minute. So it was filmed quite a while. But by the way, there's also some footage from the funeral.

a lot of Willie stuff is in there. Yeah. So it was, it was really touching. I mean, I just, and I have to say, you know, dad didn't always have the best relationship with the network back in the day. I'm really surprised that, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised they did that. And for them to do this, like, and I just want to say, I don't know if this will ever find the ears of people at A&E, but, I mean, I am very appreciative. They did that, both to honor Dad's legacy. But then also, Sadie got to really talk. about her faith and about the gospel and about that was probably the mark she carries the most from dad and so it was just it was really really really really good I was super impressed yeah so I'm kind of fired up about the season now and and

they kind of set up Jace what you're gonna be doing we you know your kind of role they didn't say it but but I knew what they were doing when it happened so well you've seen it unfold in real time I got to witness a little bit of it too and yeah Wow, you're right. That really, which is why I liked being involved with it, because it wasn't like they, you know, made up some story or whatever. It's like they said, what is your relationship with Willie's family? I told it.

And they were like, can we film that? Like, sure. And so they did. It's pretty funny. It is. And it was really, the setup was really good. good too. And I thought a couple of times on there, Willie, in the filming of it, you know, it's hard to tell with him, but there was one conversation he and Sadie had. They're down there

on the river fishing in front of the Willie's river house, which is just around the corner from mom and dad's place. And I could tell he was, you know, touched talking. It was a touching thing that came across, you know. Yeah. And you don't always see that in us because we're more kind of throw under the bus. Well, if you're wondering what this has to do with the Bible or what we're talking about it has everything to do with it because there's a lot in the bible just think about first john two wherever where we've already gone through about that song about remember when it says i write to you young men because you are strong and the word of god lives in you and you have overcome the evil one but he's also in that song he's like i write to you fathers because you have known

him from the beginning i mean these relationships that we have in christ I think as older men, we're training the younger man. So, of course, in the episode, now we're at a lower level there. Now, I gave some spiritual nuggets involved in there, but who knows what will actually make the air. Because in the filming world, we've said this so much, you're only seeing just the highlights. I mean, less than 10% of what happened is actually making it to that show.

show. So for me, it's hard to say what's going to happen because they're only going to show the small snippets. But it's not unlike what Missy when she was on, Zach, while you were gone. I mean, they have a whole revival revolution of these older women training the younger women to be godly. Yeah. I mean, that's what this is about. And so that's why I was excited about doing it. I'm like, you get me doing something that's close to my heart, I'm in, because I think the world would be a better place if we did do that. Well, and look, Zach and I have appreciated it because we're doing a similar thing, as to what you're doing, kind of in the show vein and the hunting world.

But we're kind of doing that with John Luke and Christian on our Hillsdale episodes. and the reason I know that is that because Sadie, when I told Sadie that we were going to be doing them this year again, she said, oh, I know Christian is so excited. He said he has learned so much from being with you and Zach in that setting where we're studying the Bible. So it's just like what we get from each other by doing this unashamed podcast, because I learn a lot from you two and when dad was on, obviously, and just exposing myself consistently to scripture. So I learn a lot as well. It's the same thing we're doing with the Hillsdale thing. It is a way you train in the last podcast we left off talking about testing with the spirit. And the idea, Jay, as you were talking about

the fruit of the spirit, and then Zach mentioned the Word of God, which by the way, the Bible, the Word of God was written. Men were carried along by the Holy Spirit as the way Peter describes it across history. And so the Holy Spirit was the one that made sure we got what we needed. And that's why the Word of God does line up with the Spirit of God, because it's his love letter. I'll be honest, for a while, I assumed that health insurance was just one of those things you don't question. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that doesn't really align with how I want to leave my family. And it was also incredibly expensive as well. And that's when my family and I started looking at Christian health care ministries.

Our big issue is being self-employed. And the insurance, the costs are so high. So health cost sharing has really helped us. And I love the idea about praying for one another as well. Yeah. So what CHM is, it's a Christian alternative to health insurance that cost about half the cost to traditional marketplace plans. And we definitely felt that in our monthly budget when we switched over.

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And it's through the church that the manifold wisdom of God has made known. And so like to sit under teachings of other people and I mean, I don't agree with everything. I mean, we're taking these sales down courses. We're going through ancient Christianity right now. And like, I'm not going to, I don't agree with everything that the instructor says or any of the instructors have said, but the conversation. I mean, we did one on C.S. Lewis. I don't agree with everything C.S. Lewis said. There's a lot of disagree on.

But, man, to try to take his influence out of my life and the books I have read that he's written, I've just gained a lot from that. I think it is that testament to passing down. the story of Christ to the next generation. And what encourages me about our endeavors and how we engage in those kind of discussions and learning and even sitting under other people's teachings and discipleship is that that's always flawed on both ends. But the Holy Spirit does, he will protect his church. The Holy Spirit will ensure that his church will continue on. without corruption. And he's been doing that for 2,000 years.

Think about that. He has been preserving his church, despite all of our best efforts of ruining it, the spirit preserves his church. And so going back to the First John, I mean, I think that's really kind of what we're being invited into, more than just, you know,

getting everything right. It's more of a way of life. That's why Jesus, the whole, like, early Christian church was called, the way. And I love that because it gives that that kind of language and understanding that this is something that we're moving into that's very, very relational, and that it's actually a participation in the life of Christ. We become like him and as we submit to his will and to the call of the

Holy Spirit. Well, and that's why, Zach, I love that text. I referenced it a lot on here from Romans 8, 25, where Paul says that the Holy Spirit interprets for us within the Godhead because of our weakness. And I love that because that's more than just prayer. I mean, that context, he was talking about prayer, but that's in everything, if you think about it. I mean, we have a weakness, but he is the strength. And so, therefore, interpretively, he makes it work.

And I tell you where I've noticed that the biggest change in me, as an older man now in my preaching, is that at one time I thought it was me doing the preaching. But now I realize it's the Holy Spirit's message. I'm just trying to be the mouthpiece to get it to other people. And so if it gets messed up, it's because of my weakness. But he has something really powerful to say always. It's just a question, can you get it right?

And when you think it's you, and I thought that too, I remember the first time I preached and I would say when I hit a home run. I remember where I was at. I was at White's Ferry Road, and I hit it out the ballpark. And it was on, it was a sermon or a class on the resurrection of Christ. And I literally, I had this bit at the end about, it was out of Revelation chapter one, that picture of Christ, John the revelator, how it's, it's a very fearsome picture. And I wrote my line at the end of the whole thing was that the sword protruding out of the mouth of Christ, a double-edged sword.

I had this line where I said something like, you know, he's not your grandma. You know, like he's not there to store your hot chocolate. It wasn't a spoon. It was a double-edged sword. Like, this is the sovereign cry. I mean, it was, I did this whole thing. And literally at the end of it,

I got a standing ovation, like the everybody stood up and clapped. And I was like, and then one of my elders, Mack Owen, was, because, you know, you always want to wait around for the people to say how great you did

if you're, when you think you're doing it. If you did that terrible, you'd get out of there fast. Oh, it was awesome. I see Mac, and I'm like, in my mind, I'm thinking I cannot wait to receive this accolade from this guy who I've sat under his counsel for a long time and respected a great deal. And Matt comes up to me to give him an accolade. And he says, hey, anytime that happens, you need to run out the back door. He said, if you stay around and receive the applause, he said, that will corrupt you.

and it was like it was a rebuke. And I was just like so deflated, but it was like this perfect moment because when I realized over the years, when you think that you're the one doing it, then what's going to happen is you're going to become an egomaniac if you're successful and you're going to be devastated if you're not and you're going to become very angry and territorial

over what is not yours to protect anyways. I don't have to protect anything. It's the spirits, not mine. You know, it's so funny, Zach, you say that because I remember the first time I got up at White Sperry Road myself in a large setting and got to speak. And I felt like it went well. And so I get down off the stage and Bill Smith comes up, who's my mentor and my guy. And so I was waiting for, you know, because I felt like it went well, you know. And he said a couple of things.

It's not had went. It's had gone. had gone. And I was just like, oh my goodness, like all the stuff that flowed out of it. And it was the one pronunciation from my redneck background. And then it was like two other corrective things. And then that was it. And he just walked away.

And I was just like, oh, I was like you. I was so deflated. But in the end, it was so good because it was like, I realize it's not about me. And by the way, Mac, the same one you talked about, on my little cross pulpit I used to use when I preached it before. On the backside, he built it. On the backside, it says it's not about you. Carved into it. So then the only person that can see that is me.

Yeah, it says it's not about me. Yeah. Because I noticed that the first time I got up there and saw that. I want to say a couple things. You had multiple home runs, I think, when you were here teaching. But if somebody told me. me, we also hit for the cycle, which in baseball is awesome. But for the speaker, you're like, it's just a single.

Yeah, but you've hit a home run before and a triple and a double. You hit for the cycle. So just don't strike out. I've struck out. I've struck out too, though. Yeah, I have to. Well, most of my strikeouts were in my early immature days. I think the biggest one I had, Al, was at our school of biblical

studies when they had a little icon. What do they call those like your brand, what's the word? Yeah, it's like an avatar. Logo. Yeah, your logo. Yeah, logo is the perfect word for this because I took that logo and that was my point and turned that into the logos because they had preached the word. and it was a Bible open.

Yeah, with a cross. Yeah, with a cross. And because they were like, we're a Bible school. And so I said, okay, you're preaching the logo. I'm going to preach the logos because the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. Preach the work. Get it where I'm going. I'm like, we need to talk about the one who this is talking about.

the word is talking about the word. And even though I still to this day think I was right and had a good point, that went over like a lead balloon. Don't attack the logo of the school that you're a part of because they will have you in a chair surrounded by all the leaders saying, what are you trying to say? You don't like our logo? Remember that, Al? Oh, they just, I just made.

I just made them angry. It's so intimidating anyways that because they were all, all your instructors are sitting on the front row of this chapel. And your fellow classmates are behind them. And Jace did. It was a clever thing he did.

But boy, they did not. They didn't like it well. No, it didn't go well. Because it felt critical of the school. That's why they. Wow. And it was. I could have done a better job.

We could say it now. It was critical. But what I wanted to say is I use one. a max line in my speech a couple nights ago and because and it kind of goes in with what we were talking about with the duck dynasty revival about training these young men I mean the biggest problem when we started this you know Phil goes on to be with the Lord so I look up now I'm in charge as far as all the duck hunting thing what everything Phil was doing well now everybody's looking at me so it's kind of a new era because our families have gotten so big and all the

son-in-laws want to come hunting. But there's just a certain amount of wisdom that you have to give. Because this, you know, duck hunting for as much as we do, it's dangerous. I mean, guns are involved. And there's a lot of work going on, even the work that we do in the off-season. You know, it has a certain amount of danger. Chase, before you finish this story, I have to mention something because you just gave me the segue to do it about guns. I had forgotten about a lot of the early episodes of Duck Dynasty

how much y'all just shot stuff and blew stuff up because they have a montage of y'all. And it was so funny. I was laughing so hard, but it was almost like maniacal. Dad was like a maniac. So he's like yelling while he's shooting an AR into the hole, I'm assuming it's at Beavers.

And y'all are all just like standing on the bank and shooting into the water. These are live rounds, just so you know. I saw that last night. They showed those clips, and I was like, I can't believe, like, they allowed that, they put this on air the first time, much less we're running it again. You all look like a bunch of maniac. I will say about season five or six of a Duck Dynasty,

lawyer started showing up saying, mainly for Si, saying he must not be allowed to carry a weapon on set. because a couple of times side just went off and started shooting unannounced and I don't think the people realize these are live once he shot at a beaver and the other time

once he shot at a snake yeah shot at a snake and uh you know the term ricochet was going through my head because there's just a sea of people there well you may notice I've got my foot kicked up on the table here boys

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like it's my responsibility, which by the way, interesting enough, this is like a little meme I've seen before. You can't teach the Bible in a school, but you can in a prison. Well, it seems like if you talk the Bible in school, there would be less people in prison. That's a good word. It's a great word. You reminded me of something that happened when I ran for Congress. And some people don't know I did that. I ran for Congress in 2014, almost won, but did not win.

And we... You lost by 800, less than 800 votes. Yeah, it was not. It was razor thin. And so we did these commercials. And of course, you know, it's so hilarious, like, trying to wrangle Phil in. You know, so we had the people show up to do the commercial. And they had a script for Phil, which is always funny.

Like, you don't, you don't, he's kind of you, Jace. You don't script. You can't, like, you can't be scripted it. It just doesn't work. And when people tell me, like, I want Jace, like, now we work together a lot. And these sides of work with Phil a lot. They're like, can you get him to do this? And I'm just like, no, I can't.

Like, no, you getting to do that. Can I divert the Mississippi River? Yeah. So they get in there with the whole script. They had this whole political ad and feels like, no, no, no, not. Get your camera ready. Which he did often. I mean, did this with Benelli.

He was like, get your camera ready. Like one take. I ain't got tied. You know, he is. And so this was the commercial. It was, he gets up. And I'm like in a, I'm like in a pair of slacks in a white shirt, no beard. I mean, it looked like a complete, just looked like a politician and feels like, guns and Bibles got us here.

It'll be guns and Bibles that keep us here. Zach Dasher believes them both. That's why I'm voting for him. And he's walked off. Say, I want to win. And I think you had an AR-15 and a box. And I'm like, oh, gosh. And, of course, you can imagine, like, we got more next.

negative attention. But it was good because that's what you want, that's what you want. But it was like, it was such a shocking statement, although it was true. Oh, Phil's famous for that. I brought up those prisons. I remember Phil, I went with him to a prison somewhere. And he got up and he said, I got a message for you. And I thought, what is he fixed to say? He said, stop breaking the law. how they respond. They probably roared. Clapping.

Everybody's going to be clapping. I'm like, they're clapping. They're clapping for that. Oh, my goodness. It was hilarious. The Angola line was, remember this act? You were there, too. He said, he looked in the,

because there was a camera going out to the whole prison. When there was about 800 people in the room, and he looked at that camera, and he said, just because you're under locking key does not mean you can. can't be set free. Yeah. That was, I used that line before.

I got a prison thing coming up. I'm going to use that line. But I didn't finish the quote that I said, that Mac, that I used in the sermon, because it goes along with training the young guys, because the biggest problem is when you get out in the wild, you know, every time, and this, there's a lot of this on the season two of that, of Duck Dynasty.

They, if you tell them do something, go over there and look it up on their phone. I'm like, hey, put that phone away. I don't want you to know. I want you to go through the process. And if you screw up, then you'll never forget it. This is not how we do things. And so I forgot what the point was I was making the other night,

but I was talking about, you know, they call this scrolling. I'm not even sure what the context is. and I'm not sure what the real meaning is, but they call it doom scrolling. Maybe I can tell me what that means. It's just when you get law, it's like when you're transfixed in this, the endless scrolling of the internet.

Oh, well, perfect, because that's the point. I wasn't sure what it meant, but I just said, you know, you've heard this thing, doom scrolling, because I heard somebody say that, and I thought, what is that? And I was like, you know what you're looking for? And I got this from Mac. When you're scrolling,

And so the crowd was all just waiting in anticipation. Because you got a memory. It was all men there. So this was geared toward men. I said, I know what you're looking for. You know what you're looking for? And I leaned into the mic and said, nudity. And it was just crickets.

But Max said that one time. He's like, you know, have you ever thought about when we get on TV and it's late at night? You know, you're a man. And, you know, your wife's asleep. and you're just clicking channel after channel. And it's the same thing with the internet. And I thought, where's he going with this? He said, you know what you're looking for as a man late at night, laying on the couch?

You're looking for nudity. And I thought, you know what? Ouch. He just says what we don't want to say. Exactly. Because if you find it, guess what you're going to do? You're going to stop and park. Linger.

Linger. Remember the quote, the Jays, I read the Job quote. you're going to lurk at the door and, you know, may your wife grind another man's grain. We talked about that with the Joe 31. Well, I was just going to say, you know, that was part of what they captured in that episode is just how do you train young people in the wilderness and all that in the cell phone generation?

Really? Because that was something even Duck Dynasty did with my dad. Remember he'd take the cell phone, throw it away and scenes like that. But it has become a problem because it attacks your ability to be social, to just function like in a wilderness environment. You know, you don't have time. I mean, a bear's chasing. You don't have to have time to stop and say, what do I do if chased by a bear? It's way too late, you know.

Yeah. I was thinking, Jay, when you said that a minute ago, Dad had a lie. It was so good. I think he was talking to John Luke and he said, you know, John Luke, a day of fishing is a lot better than a lifetime of crabs. And then they did that whole bite where he runs through all this,

you know, sexually transmitted disease. We've talked about that. But I was going to tell you about, well, you brought about guns and by, before we get back to our text, my opening joke,

anytime I'm in Texas, and it always goes over. Dad and I were speaking at John Hagee's church down in San Antonio, a man, it was probably a decade ago, and it was 10,000 men, Jay. So it was like, what you had the other night times 10,

because it's a huge church, and it was packed. And so I got to open for dad. I used to open for him, you know, and then he'd do his thing. And so I would do some funny stuff, you know,

and then he would, you know, be dad. But so that night I decided to try something. And it worked so well. I now use it almost every time I speak in Texas because I had heard that Texas and their state constitution had reserved the right for themselves to become their own country because, you know, one time they were before they became part of the U.S. And so, and I know Texans are proud to be Texas.

I mean, they love Texas. So I said, anybody in here to love Texas? And they all hoop and holler. And I said, well, somebody told me a long time ago that you could become your own country if you, if you decide to do that. And they all cheer every time. It's like a big roar. It goes up.

And I'm like, well, look, things are kind of kooky and crazy these days. So who knows? If it happens, I want you, I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the state of Louisiana. We want to come with you. And so, and they all laugh and clap. And then I say, we'll call it Texiana. And I said, we're going to bring more guns and more Bibles. And then we'll also bring Cajun food and merriment because that's what we're good at.

And so then everybody laughs. This is not a joke. And then my outline to get out of it is saying, and I got one more thing to tell you tonight, Oklahoma and Arkansas, they've got a fin for themselves. And that brings the hoot because, you know, people in Texas and Oklahoma, you know, there's always a robbery there. So it's always the funny thing. But it's funny, y'all brought up guns and Bibles. So that joke still works with every crowd that I do with. Yeah.

Well, that's true. Well, we were in that first John 4 talking about the Spirit of the Antichrist, which is a scary verse because sometimes, it's hard to discern. You know, people are like, you know, I got this from the Spirit of God. And all of a sudden, you're thinking, well, this is not lining up with what, like Zach said in the last podcast, what the scriptures say. Or something that's profound on a lifestyle issue, which is John is heavily addressing here. It's like you claim to walk in the light, yet your life is not looking like.

it's in the light. I mean, you're walking in darkness and you're just claiming that. But it is, I think, scary, but it made me think of the book of Galatians where, because I brought up that Galatians 5, where you just have this contrast. I mean, he's talking about the spirit, which is the point of 1st John 4. Yeah. You know, spirits that are contrary to the Holy Spirit. but if you just read it when he says verse 19 or you start in verse 18 it says it but if you are led by the spirit you are not under law because the whole book of Galatians is about this contrast of adding to the gospel which which we're fixed to get into this love section where he brings up agape love how many times out like 25 times yeah 25 times and just

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We tend to think, like, the fruit of the spirit is just like extra things. No, the fruit of the spirit is love. It is the gospel. God is love. That's his whole point. And so when he says, you're not under law, you're under the spirit, because, you know, with Gentiles being welcomed in to the Jewish community, because this was all about the Jews in the Old Testament,

and God, you know, wove this plan and actually became a man who was from Israel. His name was Jesus. So they're trying to hold on to the old law and add that to the gospel of Jesus. So that's really what it's about. And the reason I wanted to bring it up, because I think it works for where we're at in 1st John, because Zach was talking about, you know, we don't agree with everybody on everything, but we try to keep, you know, Jesus the center and that little speech you gave, Zach. Yeah.

Well, in Galatians 2, before I read Galatians 5, you actually see that in motion, And even among the apostles, you know, in Galatians 2.11, it says, Paul was right. And he says, when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he was clearly in the wrong. So he's not sugar-coating this whatsoever. He's like, we disagree on this. And you're like, well, what was he talking about? And he kind of explains it. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles.

but when they arrived he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group, which is the Jews. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy. I mean, he's just throwing haymakers. I mean, you call somebody a hypocrite. That's a pretty strong language. Even Barnabas, look, was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel,

I said to Peter in front of them all, You're a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? And then it leads to this, you know, famous, we use the next few verses a lot in our teaching. We don't really talk about that disagreement, though. But it says, we who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Christ Jesus. so we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ not by observing the law because by observing the law no one will be justified.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners. Does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not. Which in the spirit of how do you test the spirits, if you have any of, if you have any kind of teaching where somehow you think Christ is promoting sinful behavior and you think well that's not going on today oh i've had people look at me in my face and say oh yeah the reason i slept with all these women is it was god's plan yeah you know trying to almost promote this sinful life in that you know him and god's got something going on where that's okay in his case so then it says this

It gets to the famous passages that I'm trying to get to. In verse 19, for through the law, I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith and the son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me. I do not set aside the grace of God for if righteousness can be gained through the law. law, Christ died for nothing. So you say, what does this have to do with the Spirit? Well, when he gets to chapter 5, he starts off, talking about, you know, in verse 18, where if we're led by the Spirit, you're not under law. Now, I realize this context was

them having trouble with, as Ephesians 2 calls the new humanity. Christ destroying that barrier that we have with borders and people. That's why he said, go out. and to the whole world, every nation, and preach the gospel. And so then he defines this by the acts of sinful nature or obvious. Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you as I did before, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

That's that practicing sinful lifestyle, Jason. That's it. Yeah. But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. And I love this line. Against such things, there is no law. And that's why I said this new law, these new commands that Jesus was offering, think John 15, I give you a new command.

Why is he calling it new? because it's in the context of him pouring the spirit out as he is taking his throne at the right hand of God. He was predicting that to his disciples. Against such things, there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the spirit, let us keep in step with the spirit. And then watch this last line. let us not become conceited, provoking, and envying each other.

And that's why this, when I said the gospel is love, if God is love, you're in his love, what comes in you, goes out from you. And I think that's John's whole point. If you're in Christ, you're in his love, a being that is love. Well, it has to come out. It's not like you have to do it as a side project. It just, that's just is what it is. You love one another.

And I think that's what he's trying to get you to wrap your head around. Well, it's true. I mean, when you think about how do you judge, how do you make judgments? Because if these things are coming at you, these spirits that were to make judgment on, a lot of times are going to come through people. And the way you judge that is by the fruit. I mean, that's very biblical. You will know them by their fruit.

And so you just look at the fruit. And so you just look at the fruit production of whatever the thing is. And then you can kind of determine and discern what is the spirit that's behind that. And I want to point out that just because something has a lot of truth in it, doesn't mean it's from God. I mean, think about the lie, the first sin that Adam and Eve were told was partially true. It wasn't all the lie. If you eat this fruit, your eyes will be. open and then you're going to know good from evil. That was actually true. It wasn't the full

story. And so a lot of times what happened is you'll see something, but man, but that's true. But still look at the fruit underneath it because I think the fruit that's coming out of that, or I say on top of it, rather, the fruit that's coming out of whatever that is will tell you all you need to know. And if the fruit of that is looking a whole lot more like the acts of the sinful nature and a whole lot less like the fruit of the spirit than you know because here's the thing you cannot this is i think this is so encouraging that you cannot manipulate the spirit of god and you cannot manufacture his fruit you know think about the passage the fruit of the spirit it is his fruit and because it's his fruit and he possesses it he has the ownership of it he controls the

production of it. It's all his. We actually can't fake that. You can go to a degree, but people can smell it. And I think you can smell when something's not real or not. And you can't fake the fruit of the spirit. It is what it is. I think it's the determining factor that we should look at when well, and I wanted to say that something about Jay said that the acts of the sinful nature or the flesh are obvious. And what you just described, Zach, is the fruit of the spirit. is obvious as well. But this is what happens a lot. It was happening in the Galatian Church for sure and because they had manufactured, I love that you used that work because that was the word I was thinking. It becomes a church manufactured sin. It's not obvious. You have to build a case for it.

And that's what they were doing with circumcision. You know, the group that had Jewish roots, they're trying to manufacture that circumcision was now sin for the Gentiles because they had not but circus they were adding to this gospel by manufacturing the sin. And how many times have you seen, I mean, I've been involved in churchwork for many years now my whole life where you get into these manufactured sins and churches. I remember Mack and I was speaking to him again, we would go to this text and say, the acts of sinful nature are obvious and then we look at them. We don't have to then build several verses together to try to create a narrative

where this seems like a sinful situation. But I can't tell you how many times church leaderships wind up in the weeds of that. And they get into all these things with people. And it's like, why don't you just look at the – let's just deal with the obvious. And then let God deal with the rest of it. Well, I think recognizing – I want to do this bit, I think recognizing the spirit of the Antichrist,

one way you can test the spirits. And I'm going to go through this. I really think the whole point of this was when it says every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. And that was the big issue that they were facing in this context. I think the technical term for that is gnosticism, that Jesus couldn't become if he was, you know, God, he couldn't become a human because look at humans. I mean, look at the, we have bodies and ooh, they go to the bathroom, they sweat, they get tired, they're dirty, they're all these

things, they're like, well, that can't be, he can't be a God if he becomes a human. And so they just, even today, that is still going on, that it's like you have a spark in you. You have a spark in you, and you have to find out who you are. And that's kind of what that is in that teaching. It's like there's no, it looks at everything physical as negative. But I wanted to go back to Galatians, because I think this is very profound. Because when he gets to the end of this disagreement that they had

and wrapping your head around what it means to follow the spirit, he uses the same language John does when he gets to verse, 14. It says, may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. Because John uses the idea of the world over and over and over. I've circled every time in 1st John 4 where he brought up world and there's a lot of circles. And so then he says, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything to their context. of trying to make everybody follow the Jewish laws and Christ. But it says, what counts is a new creation. And that's what Jesus brought, a new humanity, a new creation.

Then it says, peace and mercy, all who follow this rule. And then there's one little nugget, obscure passage, Galatian 617, Let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body, his physical body, the marks of Jesus. And I got newsflash for you. He's not talking about tattoos with Bible verses. He's talking about scars. Well, you know who else had scars? Who showed his scars after the resurrection?

Yeah. Jesus. He had a body. He came in the flesh. He died, he was buried, and he was raised. And so it made me think, you know, in our age of prosperity gospel, you know, you come to Jesus and everything's going to be rainbows and you're going to get all this. But it seems when you read it, it's the exact opposite.

You know, when he says whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did, when he says, don't be surprised if the world hates you. You know what that means? you're going to get some scars. If you go out there and live like Jesus, you're going to be persecuted and punished. And Paul's acknowledging those scars and as being part of the new creation.

And I really think that's the theme. That's the way we need to look at it. I mean, to go back to my silly illustration about don't look up your phone and see how to do it, learn the pain of doing it wrong so you can figure out how to do it right. And I think that's our journey, with Jesus, even if you're doing everything the right way, you're going to be persecuted because

the stakes are a lot higher than, oh, have I kept all these commands? No, it's a spiritual war going on. When you share Jesus, you're going to be attacked, you're going to be persecuted, and you might die. But that's what it means to be like Jesus in this world. And look, if you come, depending on when you come to Christ, if you spent any bit of time, living this worldly life that we're talking about. Not only will you have, as you were talking about the physical scars, but there's emotional scars,

there's mental scars, there's things from past life, and you have to allow Christ to then bring out in you a new creation, and those scars are there too. And you're going to have a realization of that, but that just means you've been healed. You know, when you have scars,

that means it healed. Well, that was my point. Figitively, not literally. I mean, you don't want to come up, to somebody and say, hey, show me your scars so I can see whether you really have the spirit of God. But I will say this in all sincerity. If you follow Jesus, unashamed, and you go out there and live like Jesus in the world, there are going to be a lot of scars. Yeah. Of many stripes, for sure. All right, we're out of time. We'll die back in next time on

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