Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 130 | Jase's Comical Bedroom Incident, Phil's Baptism Marathon, and a Crafty Golf Scheme

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

Jase's son sets up a scheme to finagle his family's way onto a swanky Montana golf course. Jase learns whether or not bear spray really works and has a hilarious 30th anniversary incident that Missy does NOT want to tell the kids about. Phil and his family perform 70 baptisms in two weeks, and he hears from the media that his new book, "Jesus Politics," has broken a taboo. Al reveals why the "Unashamed" podcast has a new name. And the guys discuss out-of-control wolves and Jesus the shepherd. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, so we're back in the lair, the unashamed lair, our new digs. I like our new digs. When you built this, like you built this because this was our staging era for hunting, did you ever in your mind, did you ever in your wildest imagination think that we would be sitting here around a table, sharing the Bible with America and in Canada and beyond looking back at it no I never I never thought it would come to that

I actually just put it here because it's pretty good to come back from hunting I mean you have a bona fide commode there is a bathroom here which is important for the unashamed crew how does a commode become bona fide because what's the process

the unbonified method is you squatting out under an oak tree. Sorry I asked. Take a dump wipe to tell with the leaves, the top leaves. That's non-bonified. I said, we need to get enough culture about us to have a commode where people can

come in and take a leak and flush it. And it's a little more, what's the word? Civilized. A little more hygiene. A little more cosmopolitan. So, Dad, so it's funny you said that. It just made me think of something. So I was in Utah.

A hundred years ago, this would have been out of the question. Oh, we would be in a mansion. So I was up in Utah a few weeks. ago, a couple weeks ago. I mean, they're going through the national parks. They're beautiful, by the way. I mean, God made all this to look at. But the federal government has some restrooms and stuff there, which I appreciate it.

And I go in there and there's a, there's just a urinal. It's kind of like one of those outhouses, you know, because it just goes right into the ground, but it's nicer than that. It's got water, wash your hand. But there are signs up there. And the sign was like, don't poop on the floor. And it showed a person like, like a stick person, squatting down in the, floor and it had a round thing. That's why we have a commode here. Well, right. And then there was another

one that said, and don't stand on the toilet and poop. And then it gave the, here's what you do. There were three pictures there. And two had to X, you know, how to, how to how to guide your, your posterior end to a, to this. So what I thought was like, okay, I mean, that seemed obvious to me. But apparently you don't put a sign up there like that unless somebody has pooped on the floor and stood up on the toilet. And then so somebody told me in other countries, they're not used to American European models of commode. And so they're used to just squat and overhauling the ground.

So that was the problem. It's people that come in. So I just laughed because I thought, you know, I thought it was pretty much standard commode 101 that you wouldn't get up on the commode and poop all over the seat or in the corner. I just found that funny when you said that. It just reminded me of the crowd now that's in our streets. They're throwing feces, I guess they're own.

I don't know. Throwing their feces on law enforcement. So what do you call that? Is that peaceably assembling? Throwing your feces on law enforcement. Did you see this on the news? Yeah. I haven't heard of that.

But I would call that. Ridiculous? Yeah. I'm not sure. That's, you should be jailed for that. That should be a crime. So we also have a kitchen, Dad, just to complete your circuit around the room, we stopped at the commode. We got a nice kitchen in here.

We got our black rifle coffee going around. Then we have all our crew over here. So this is a great setup. Yeah, it is. I actually like it better than the last. And it is the staging area. So just outside, you go outside the layer and you take a left and it goes right into our hunting property, which is now, you know, close to what, 2,000 acres of hunting property that's here, which is amazing. Yeah.

And it was not really worth anything unless you're a hunter or a fisherman. Right, because it floods. We've talked about that. It's flooded before. Nobody would want it but us. That's that correct. Yeah. But while you were in Utah, I went to Montana.

We had a few days off here. Every year, you know, my family, as in my wife and kids, we go somewhere. I think we've been doing it about five years, maybe. We went to Israel. Was that the last trip? It was a year before last. Because you went to Utah, wasn't you? Went to Utah.

You actually went to the where I went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we went to the Narrows, which is called Zion. Yeah, Zion is there. Amazing. Yeah, we were in Moab, which was close to Canyon Lab. And so, like last year, we went to Hilton Head, South Carolina, which was a little more touristy, a lot of people. But it was good.

Did you play Hilton Head? Do you play the golf course? No, we stayed there, but we didn't because it was always. We played a few golf courses. No, we went to Montana, and that was the first thing I'm going to say is that it was, the temperature was in the low 40s. The highs were like 70 to 72. That's our January.

Yeah, I was cold. The first thing I did when I got there was by Jack. Build a fire. I mean, we're up in the mountain. Because our temperature right now in Louisiana is just Africa. That's what it says. You know, it doesn't even give you a number. Which what's funny, he's talking about playing golf.

So my son, he said, I was looking at things to do. He said, do you realize we're staying in this neighborhood that has the number three golf course destination in the world? And I was like, really? I was like, well, let's go play. That's it. Yellowstone? No, this was in, we were in Big Sky. And I said, well, let's go play. And he's like, well, it's private.

You know, he can't play. It's just a, you know, a club. They don't allow visitors. Let's face it, Jay. Some people just don't belong. Yeah. So I said, oh, oh, well, we'll go down here. They took one look at Jay's and said, no.

No, we didn't even ask, you know. And so my son, he's, he's. had an idea. He said, why don't I just call him and ask? I was like, call him up, you know, so what do you think that means? If your son says, I'm going to call him up and ask, I would think he's going to say, hey, we're out of town. No, but I know your son, so I'm sure there's going to be something much more of crappy. So we're all sitting in the living room. And so my son dials the number. And he says, oh, yes, this is Andy McFarlane. And everybody's looking around. I was like Andy McFarland, who is that?

I'm Jace Robertson's personal assistant. And so then I thought, he's kidding. He's actually not talking to a person. Yeah, he's on hole, right. Yeah, and I was like, okay, this is funny. You know, he's like, we're staying up here. And we noticed that, you know, you have one of the greatest golf courses, you know, around. And Jay's plays golf.

And we were just wanting to know, is it possible if they can come play, you know, for, obviously for whatever monetary amount you see fit. So he's trying to use bigger words because he's just saying. And we're laughing, you know. And so he hangs up. I was like, ha, ha, and he's like,

we're in. I was like, what? That was real? So we can play this course. I'm trying to figure out if that was a Christian thing to do. I don't know. What do you think of?

Well, it was marginal. Maybe, but, you know. He was just playing a role. That's all he was doing. Well, here's what's funny is like an hour later, they call him back on his phone, but he just answers it. Like, hey.

And they're like, we're looking for Andy. I'm glad he. Oh, well, then. Oh, yeah, then he was like, well, actually, I'm Reed. I'm Jason's son. You know, Andy was using my phone. Which was technically true. And they were like, oh, okay.

And so they discussed details. That's funny. But Jack Nicholas. By the way, what did they clip you for? I'd play around the golf in Big Sky, Montana. Private club. It wasn't cheap. However.

It wasn't. Money to men like us. It wasn't as much as I thought. Because I did get a little nervous because nobody said anything about money. And he's like, all right, we'll come over here and fix you up. And I was like, well, what if he says $5,000? You know, I was just prepared. You don't build beautiful golf courses in the middle of nowhere

unless you got a pretty good fee coming toward the public. So I was, it was about 250 bucks ahead. Which for nice soft courses is not bad at all. I mean, in the tourists. I mean, some people don't play golfing, are you crazy? This is all news to me. I didn't know. I was just wondering.

I mean, that's not cheap. 250 ahead. But since I, the thing was incredible. But I'm like, okay. You're telling me how beautiful it was. Oh, it was unbelievable. Nicholas, it was a Nicholas design? Yeah, that was hard.

It was the best. I had the most fun shooting 96 for you non-golfers. That's the lower the score, the better. And I beat my two sons. If the old mountain men could look back, the ones that first ran up on Montana, and got to looking around like, whoa, smoke coming out of there and pools of acid in hot smoke. Yeah, that was in Yellowstone.

If they had seen, yeah, but I'm just saying, if they had seen what was coming, I wonder what they thought. You think they would have ever thought that had been people out there playing golf and just, you know, riding around an ATV? I'm just saying. Yeah, it was amazing. It was a lot different when they were there. I mean, this place, it was swanky, but they're only open three months a year because the weather.

Most people go here to ski. Yeah, I got it. And so that's why they're like, you know, no, because the members, they only have so much time to play. Right, I got you. They fit us in. And the elevation there affects the ball. So it's not like I played that bad, but you're hitting incredible distances.

You don't know how far you are. Anytime you're playing courses you never play before with clubs that aren't your clubs, it's a big disadvantage. I mean, but it's fun to just experience it. Oh, the experience. And for humans to say, watch this, we're going to go up top of the mountain.

So where is it compared to Pebble? Because you've always said Pebble is your time? I mean, I had, I had St. Andrews and Pebble one and two. I would put this at number three. As far as just most impressive things I've seen a human do when it comes to call. And you hadn't played Augusta, so if you ever did that. Yeah, I'd play there.

I've been there, which it's awesome. But anyway, basically just to tell you a little bit about our trip, because you brought up some of these government regulations, I think the thing that made me the most concerned is because, You know, my crew, they like to go hiking, which for me, I mean, I go on these trips because I want to be intentional about my family. I want to have some intentional time. Because if it were up to Jace, you wouldn't necessarily travel anywhere, but you would do it for them. I don't like to travel.

I travel all the time, and I sure don't want to just do it for the heck of it. Right. And because they like to hike. Well, when I hike, I'm fixed to go shoot something. or I'm scouting of something. I'm hiking. Yeah, I'm going, I'll walk miles because I'm looking for the ducks. When I find them, I run back and say, we won't get them tomorrow.

But just to say, let's just get up and go walk seven miles, half of it straight up a cliff. Why would I want to do that on purpose? And so what they say is, well, you got to have bear spring. So I'm like, I'm out there. Spread on you or the bear. Well, I'm getting there. So one of the other days, we go fly fishing because I'd never been fly fishing. Which is hard.

It's the hardest way to catch a fish ever. I didn't catch but one. And Missy went with me. And she was actually better at it than me as far as casting because she didn't have hundreds of thousands of casts to get over. I kept, you know, it's just a different kind of system here. And I didn't catch but one, but it was like a. 18 inch brown trout, which is one, from what I understand, one of the hardest pulling fish

there is. Was it pretty good to bring it? Oh, it took me 20 minutes to get him in. Of course, I sent a picture to Jay because I was all proud of it. And he sent back and said, don't eat it. Yeah. So I don't know. I kind of took this.

I think the flesh on them is full of bull bones. I mean, it's. But, you know, maybe we don't know how to cook them. Well, I grabbed the trout, going to take a picture. No, no, no. Don't take him out of the water. I was like, what? Well, just people get upset if you take him out of the water.

I was like, look, let me explain something to you. Here's my order. I'm going to turn the trout back, but we have God, humans, animals. He was looking at it. This was like your guide or whatever. So I'm going to pick him up and take a picture, and then I'm going to let him go. And he'll be fine. So they get people get upset about that.

I said, well, that's idiotic. so anyway they need to know the order so on the hiking we uh you know they said well here's the bear spray so I asked that guy when I was fishing I was like does this bear spray

actually work because I said how many bears have you seen he said hundreds I said oh really he said well when I used to guide elk hunting you know I'd carry a pistol and I was like no you're my kind of man he's like well no I didn't care for the bears

he said I carried that for me and I was because it's kind of what you said he's like if the bear if I get way too close because they don't necessarily kill you quick and I was like well I think I'd empty the pistol out he said it ain't going you run up on the right gris it's over I said well what's the deal with the bear spray and he's like well it just makes you feel better because these people come in from all over the world and it's an option He said, but you know, and it has worked, like, because it'll spray up to about 20 feet away. He said, but, you know, if the bear wants to dismember you, that spray ain't going to stop it.

Neither's a pistol. So. It's sort of like a bug spray down here. Let's take a quick break. Yeah, I'd say that was in the same category as a bug spray in the blind during teal season. It ain't really working. I mean, you know, we bring it anyway, but it ain't keeping it all. Well, the most thing they're upset about, this is why I wanted to.

tell you, is these, the government, you got to watch them. They, somebody in, in their government system decided, you know, we used to have wolves. Let's bring them back. And everybody I talked to was highly upset about it. Because the number one economy mover in Montana is ranches. Yeah. Tourism is number two. And they're like, why bring in a moment?

bunch of wolves to attack our herd. Yeah. And attack us. You know, because now you have the bears, which, okay, we'll deal with it. And now we have wolves, and they were so upset. So I just thought to myself, why would, why would we do that? There's some things that humans got rid of. That's a good thing.

Yep. And I think wolves, that's one of them. I mean, what do you all think? And there's, and there still aren't. And there still are wolves. They're just where people aren't. Because you go up in Alaska, it's based in North, though. There's still wolves on the planet.

Yeah, I'm not saying they're not. They're not. Right. Species. People do the same thing with dinosaurs. You know, they make the moves. Oh, wouldn't it be great? You know, if all the dinosaurs were back.

No. Because we'd be toast. Yeah. There would be people dying every other minute. You don't want to live with a T-Rex running. You don't want that. That's bad. You idiot.

That's why we got rid of them. They said, well, you know, we have. I hadn't figured it out. I'm sure some humans had something to do with it. He is that or the Almighty. Yeah. So you had a good time. I had a good time.

It was, you know, there was a couple things that happened. It was my 30th year anniversary. Yeah. Which when you're with your kids and they're not really, even though Reed is married now, you're not,

they're not really old enough, I guess, to, I mean, they're like, yeah, happy anniversary. That's about it. Which is, you know, So it was kind of weird being on the trip,

and we had something really comical happen that we never told our kids because I didn't know how they explained this. I went in there, I mean, this place we were staying was fancy spancy. And we had known the woman who owned the house, and she's just like, hey, nobody's going to be there, you know. And so, I mean, I got there, and I was like, whoa.

I mean, this was fancy, fancy. So I went in there and plopped on the bed, you know. I mean, Missy and I were in there, but I just plopped it. And well, the whole bed just went, it just, I broke the bed. But so that we got to tickle. You're jumping on the band. You're 51 years. I didn't really jump on it.

I just plop down on it. And so then I was like, well, the kids, they're going to think this funny. I'm like, well, you can't tell them. I was like, what you mean? She's like, okay, it's our, it's a 30th year anniversary. And you're going to walk out of this room and say, well, we broke. broke the bed, that's not going to work. Which that's exactly what I want to do.

So we never said a word, but it was bad because the whole week we were there, no matter where you got on the bed. You wound up in the middle. You wound up in the middle. That sounds like Ms. Kay. That's what you always say about mom. I had won the same way, and finally I looked up under it, and it collapsed upon it, and I got red down there to well me a strut across there,

and bring it up to where we're fairly level now. So now you're not flowing to the matter. No matter where you started, you ended up right out there in the bee. Well, what's weird as affectionate as my wife and I are, I mean, we're still head over hills in love 30 years later. I mean, but once we go to sleep, neither one of us want to be touched. You know, once the festivities are over, that's it. Don't touch me.

And you wonder why, Al, I said that your younger brother always, he never runs out of stories. He does not. I mean, what I've said is, though, if you both wind up at them. I'm trying to work in the golf course, the Grizzly Bears, breaking the bed down. You had it all up. Not much was going on up in there. You know what I'm saying? Well, he broke a bad.

I broke a bad. He broke a band. On my 30th year anniversary. Just by jumping on it or sitting on it. All right, so, Dad, I want to hear what, so Darren and our little break we had. So you were doing media for Jesus Politics, which has released now since we took the break. I sat there in one spot. Some of it would be on video and some of it would just be audio, telephone.

But I did about 25 of them in about a 10-day period talking to various people nationwide about the book, Jesus politics. you know, most of them were intrigued. They said both those topics are supposed to be taboo. Yes, right. Jay said that a few weeks ago. That's right. And you put it in both the time. You can't discuss religion and politics and said that you put them both together in one book.

I'm like, you know, just trying to get people to love God and love one another. I said, it's like pulling teeth. But anyway, all I was doing interviews on the book, which is quite the high. has unless you have you got four, five, six, seven, and one day. Yeah, it's quite a few. Eight o'clock in the morning to about five, four, thirty five, at evening. Yeah. And you're on a schedule.

We've all released books, so we all know what that's like. But what was interesting was, one, you didn't have to go to New York, which is a major plus for you because of coronavirus. So we did everything from the house or from town. You know, these people, I mean, I just went to Montana. I flew on an airplane. The planes were packed. Yep. The, where was that in Montana?

kind of packed. Now, everybody had masks on pretty much. I'd say 90%. But life is going on. I mean, a lot of people watching the news or whatever thinking we've all dug a hole somewhere. I mean, there was not one open seat on any plane that I got on. Well, just to give you an example, we've, the Robertson, what shall we call them, the three of us and Willie and even Jeff.

down there in Austin, but just this little group up here in the last 10 days, two weeks, we've baptized like 70-something people. And they come from all over the United States. Some of them are you guys unashamed. Sure. Yeah. So we see in a movement of sorts, call it what you will. We're pointing people to Jesus saying, eternal health care, it's free.

so and people are coming to be baptized and then you run into the government edict that says you can't get within six foot of a person well they've driven from I think that's just a suggestion they've driven and flown from all over the United States and they want us to baptize them and we're like we're more than happy to do it Jesus said go make disciples baptize them we're like okay so we got to figure out how to get some kind of rope and pulley system because we kind of to stay within six feet of them, somehow another snatch them down under the water with a rope and then draw them back up with some kind of. That doesn't sound.

Or you just walk up and let them clasp, they hold their nose, and let them clashe your hand, and you bury them and you raise them up. Are you been sarcastic? I'm just saying, what do you do? Do you go with the government edict? Jesus didn't say go make disciples and baptize them unless there's a pandemic, then you All bets are all. Check with your local authorities.

Most, Jason's right. Most governors have been, here's our suggestion. There have been some that have been a lot more forceful than others in certain states. But in our state, our governor basically has said, here's what I suggest. But when it comes to churches, you're exempt from, you know, a lot of the other rules that are out there. And you do, you know, do the right thing. So he's basically left up to churches and pastors, which, I mean, I appreciate it. We do it.

I didn't know that. Yeah, as a consideration for other people. But, I mean, we're not the type of people who are saying, oh, yeah, we believe in an all-powerful God who's, you know, omnipotent and controls the atoms and molecules. We'll raise us from the dead. Raise us from the dead. He's eternal. And, oh, but let me get my mask on. So because I don't want to get sick while I'm sitting in here singing about him.

Well, that just seems kind of, it's kind of silly. to say. It is. However, so I just look at it like it's a, it's a, it's something nice right to do for your fellow man. Yeah, to look after the people that are, that are most at risk. Let's take another break. For the book, I want to let the audience know.

One is thank you, because you guys have helped keep that at the right around the top on the religious books section and then also in and out of the top 10 on the all books, which is great. And Unashamed Nation is a big part of that. a lot of you have sent me emails about it where can we still get it there's still some the last time i checked there's still some sign copies available on premium collectibles slash jesus politics and i'll get cold to put that up uh premium collectibles slash jesus politics so you want to get a sign copy from there as long as they last and then i wanted another thing that they asked me to ask you guys

to do was write a review for the book on amazon because this helps us stay at the top of the list and I wanted to read a couple of those, and some of them may be podcast listeners. One is Ryan Shoemaker. This was on Amazon. He said, Excellantly written book that is worth a read for all Americans, hard hitting with the need to return our government to God, but also teaches us to forgive the lawless ones who show no forgiveness to whom they disagree. I thought that's a pretty good take because that's exactly right.

It was very much a book about loving your fellow man. He got the gist of it. He did. This was McQuinn. on Amazon, new insights, encouragement, truth, and he's got that in all caps, humor, clear and easy to read. I highly recommended reading and sharing this with friends and relatives. So that was just a couple of them. We'd love for you guys to go on Amazon if you've read the book. And look, if you didn't like it, be honest, you can say that. It's okay. But we'd love for you to review it

and let folks know what it was about. But that was what Dad was doing. He was working. How many books have you signed in book plates? A lot. But more than I want to bring up. Which is true. So one last thing before we get to, we're eventually going to get into John Tim today. But I do want to say, Jason doesn't even realize this probably. This is another momentous podcast. Are you aware of why?

130? No. Yeah, we are 130. That was good. Oh, you must have sold on my note. Yeah. No, it is 130, which is momentous. But no, it's bigger than that.

What's the significant? We officially changed the name of Unashamed. Why do you all keep doing this stuff? Well, it's just because these are big changes. Things change. So we have a new name? We have a new name. All right.

What is it? It is unashamed with Phil and Jace Robertson. And so our logo, which people are seeing, which I didn't make the names, but at least I did make the picture. They had me with a beard on the picture. So there's our new picture. That's our new podcast name. So what stage are you going to get your name?

Well, I don't know. I guess I'm still earning my stripes. Maybe I'll, you know, if we get Phil, Jason, Al, that was a lot of names to put on. I'm just the quarterback here. Who is we and who is they? Because they, somebody they decided that'd be the name and we. Who's we and that? And you're just now finding out about it.

Me and you are not we or they. I know it. That's what scares me. I'm not really scared about it. I just... Well, I'll tell you the they is. The they is Blaze TV, who is our network that provides the podcast.

And so they decided that they wanted both you guys a name on the title. So that's where... I'm glad it took them a hundred and 30. And didn't want your name there. Well, they asked me and I said, I would just assume not because, you know, Zax's going to be filling in for me. So I'm just kind of a...

I'm kind of a, you know, I'm like the quarterback that sometimes I need a rest. the guy steps in. So this is more about you two guys. So that was the idea. What are we linemen? They play every snow. So how does that make you feel?

How does it make you feel, Jason? How does it make you feel, Jason? You made the cut. Kind of weird that we did 130 episodes before somebody said, Hey, Bob, what? Jason is there on every episode. Why? But you said it, you said, you know, I just was a guest.

I showed up one time and I never left. Well, finally they're like, okay, I guess he's part. of the regular stuff. They didn't have to do that. I'm sure somebody made an executive decision. But look, what I wanted to talk about today was, because I didn't bring up this, I was upset about these wolves being released. I'm upset about that. He can't get off the wolves. They kind of wanted it modern day to see what varmarts were there, whatever their, God made them, the wolves, the foxes, the coyotes. There's a lot of four, four-legged bobcats, all kind of creatures run around.

They trim the wolf population down so much that they said, you know, we don't want to lose a particular species. They're not looking at it from a godly perspective, but they said, you know, we don't need to eradicate. You know, they got the buffalo down. You saw some buffalo, right? I saw the herd by 30. Well, what I'm saying is at one time there was millions, and they pretty well rack and stacked

them till it was pathetic. They shot way too many of them. Yeah, but Phil. Why, I don't know. And they got rid of the woods while they were having. I agree with the on the Buffalo. So there are people who are saying, you know, let's bring it back to at least kind of the way it was back when the old mountain men came across there and said, boy, these.

So you kind of like the idea. I mean, just. Well, here's the problem. I'm not knocking it. Yeah. Here's the problem. But for the ranchers who are there. You understand.

They would say, Phil, you'd probably change your mind if you were a rancher. and raising cattle. I see both sides of it. Well, see, our guide, we went to Yellowstone. We saw basically, my take on Yellowstone is this whole thing's fixed to blow. I mean, there's stuff bubbling out of the ground. If you ever want to come to. Don't say that like fiction to because they've got it figured out that at some point it will.

Well, Virgil, who was our 79-year-old tour guide for Yellowstone, he said, they say this thing was supposed to erupt last week. I said, well, Verge, he said, they were wrong. Even in Louisiana, we would be cutting it thin from the ash and all of the ramifications. If it did explode, I saw a deal there, you know, Smithsonian Channel. We talked about it. It had a reach all the way down to Louisiana, everything west of the Mississippi. Well, you know what old Verde said?

He said, I read a book one time that said that wasn't the way it was going to end. I said, what book was that? He said, the Bible. I said, well, it does say there's going to be a big fire. Big fire. Maybe that's to be the start of it, you know. And he said, well, God's going to set it not, you know, over here in Yellowstone. But do you think about those.

Rage is a good point. He does because you think about the geothermal stuff that's going on with this ball that we're floating around on and flying around on. I mean, there is some massive stuff going on inside of this ball. I mean, there is some fireball. But old Verge said he's a rancher. And on the side, he likes to meet people. He reminded me of you.

Whatever he thought, he said it, which was kind of funny, yet disturbing, yet interesting. But he was a believer. And I mean, it was just, he was a really nice guy. If you ever go to Montana, you know, in Big Sky, look for everybody, he said, everybody knows who I am. Virgil's is his name. But he, and he'll, he takes people to Yellowstone. But he was upset over these wolves, and he convinced me. He's like, the reason we don't have the wolves, we relocate them.

You know, we relocated them or we didn't just shoot them. Yeah. He said, and there's for a reason. He said, when you go to Yellowstone now, well, you don't see much wild game. He said, before the wolves? I saw it everywhere. But now you forced everything else to go out and open because Yellowstone's a lot of woods. He's like, well, they got the heck out of there because there's packs of wolves.

roaming for every kind of critter. He has a point. Because nobody's hunting them. He's like, I wouldn't have minded if you brought them back, if you'll just don't let them get out of hand. Or if you're, no, they just turn them loose and say, good luck. He said, now nobody go out to woods. None of the animals will.

And so the wolves that now when you go on a 10-hour, we saw one herd of buffalo about 30 and one herd of elk about 10. I was over 10 hours riding around. I was like, where's all the, where's all the animals? Yeah. He's like, you ain't going to see no animals over here? They're on the other side now where it's, they can look out there five miles and see a pack of wolves coming. So from our perspective, the wolves are just coyotes on steroids.

I mean, because that's the way counties are here. They're just, they ain't really good for anything except killing everything that we want to eat. But it made me think. They're marauders. It made me think of this story, you know, in John 10 when Jesus, he said, I'll tell you the truth. the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way is a thief and a robber. So you're like, what is he talking about?

The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leaves them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep following him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger. In fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice.

Then it says, Jesus used this figure of speech, but they didn't understand what he was telling him. Hang on, Jess. Let's take a break and finish your point. Which you're thinking, why is Jesus, you know, most people who have a little bit of knowledge, get it. You know, Jesus is our shepherd.

We're sheep. And, you know, when you think about sheep, Now, even in Montana, they got these mountain sheep. The ram, what are they called? Sheep ran. I mean, they got the horns. Yeah, they'll ram each other. You can hear it over a mile off, which is incredible.

But, you know, when you think about sheep, they're only defense, because they're a meek animal, is just to stick together. They just form a pack. And basically, they're a real obedient animal. That's why I think Jesus was using the very timid. The analogy. But my point about the wolf, he goes on to say in verse 7,

therefore Jesus said again, I'll tell the truth. I am the gate for the sheep. All whoever came before me were thieves and robbers. But the sheep didn't listen to him. I am the gate, which I love this, because his nickname is I am. Right.

And here he goes again. And then he says, he will come in and go out and find pastor. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life and have it to the full, which is a much quoted verse in our society for years. If you thought that was some kind of poem, you know, it's actually John 10-10.

Then he says, I am again, the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep, which is the difference in Jesus and all other religious leaders. I mean, Jesus, he laid down his life for us. He created this and laid down his lifehorse. The hard hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees, uh-oh, the wolf coming, positive or negative? I think this is negative.

It is. When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hard hand and cares nothing. for the sheep. I mean, there's a lot to get into here. But I just thought to myself, wolves are bad.

Now, I'm not, I don't want to eradicate them like you said, but I think there's a reason that they were relocated. And the humans were, the humans that were making their living for ranch and were putting that as a factor.

I think it was a good thing. When out of control, one of the guys sent us a note and said, my question is about hunting and killing barmets. On my dear lease, we have pigs out the wazoo, and they tear up food plots, eat all or corn, destroy the ground and equipment. I've always been raised to eat for what you kill. So I have a tough time just whacking and stacking the pigs by the hundreds, but I know y'all are Godly man, y'all have beaver issues. We talk about put a bullet in the head, and y'all do what

needs to be done. So that being, that being said, I know just going and killing something, in this case, literally, according to all the wildlife people in the nation, this infestation of wild hogs. Yeah. They're moving. They just keep moving. And it's a phenomenon like they've never seen. And they are, for lack of a better way to describe them, a very invasive species. I mean, I think there's... They carry a lot of diseases, and they do a lot of tearing up. I mean, I would say to that. There's too many wild hogs.

I'm going to go back to the order, I said. If you have your order, which I get from Romans 1, you have God, people, and then animals in that order. And you say, well, where are you getting that? It says, you know, they suppress God, even though they knew and worshipped and served created things rather than the creator. And then it says that they bowed down and worshiped. It looks like birds, animals, and reptiles. That's right.

And man. Yeah. So they elevated the animal world. They have. Which, look, even in our society today, there's some people. people that love their dog more than they do any other human. That's just a fact. If you hadn't met these people, look out.

Because they're treating this. Look, I like my dogs. Love them. But I realize they're a dog and we're humans. If someone comes to attack my family, I'm putting the dogs out as the first line of defense. And I would hate it. But you know what?

They're the last at the line. Love always protects. Yeah, that's right. So that's what I would say. I mean, I try to use judgment. I mean, because I get what the guy is saying. You just don't want to, I'm not to go out there and kill something because I can. Just for the sake of kill.

Yeah, I have no interest in that. He can contact the wildlife officials in the, he's from Texas in the great state of Texas. He needs to contact the biologists there and say, what about all these hogs? That's what out there. What I need to do about them, is it okay to whack them and stack them because I hate to let them just fall where they are, and that's it. But use one of Clint Eastwood's lines. I mean, you know, the bobcats and the coyotes,

they need to eat too, and so do the buzzards. So everybody's going to have a feast. Let's take one last break. We talked about that even on the property, that this is all part of the ecosystem. So sometimes when something becomes so invasive that then it's destroying other things, then those need to be thin down. And we know that from deer hunting everything else.

For things to be healthy, healthy, if you have too many, then they get diseased. They're going to die off eventually. Oh, yeah. You know, but I don't like it when I was in Montana up there, you know, the deer acted tame. I don't like that. Yeah. I like for them to keep their wildness. When I walk up, I want them to run.

You know, they do down here because people shoot them. Even if you slow down your car, if you see deer, they know. Yeah. They tell the tongue with your mud grips, they're gone. Run. They just run. Because the next thing happens.

He's slowing down, the redneck slowing down. Get out of here. Yeah. They've been conditioned to know, right? Oh, yeah. But Jay says, right, you're going some of these other places, and you stop and they look up at you, They're chewing, you know.

I mean, they're, you know, for me to you, they're looking, you know, and they go back to eating because they've had the car stuff and everybody's taking the pictures. Oh, I can't believe it. Stevenson lives in Colorado, Dan's dad, and he's taking several pictures on his little back room, little concrete covered thing. Yeah. He's looking through the plate glass window, taking a picture of mountain lines, sometimes two of them walking within 10 feet.

where he's seated watching television. They just walked by, mountain lines. Just walk on by him. He's like, whoa. Yeah, because that's- He has pictures of him. Yeah. Just right there next to his house, in his house.

So you think it's just because they built into their area or they've just gotten comfortable? Subdivision reached out in there. That's right. They know, man,'s not going to harm them. Right. So they come down in there to feed or whatever a mountain line does. But Stevenson has taken several pictures of it.

them within 10 feet of where he is just to play a glass window there and they walk back. Wow. I like how Jesus makes an analogy, though, of a real life, because we get that. We're sitting there because we're outdoors people. I mean, I was just in the outdoors in Montana, and, you know, when I started telling you all my stories, it was all about outdoors because that's what I like. Right. But Jesus was using that figure of speech, what it said.

They wouldn't get it, but I get it. You know, what separates Jesus from other. would you want to say religious leaders or just leaders? I mean, he basically said they, they're thieves, they're robbers, because he's representing people as sheep, which we are, which I think it's an awesome illustration because what do sheep do? They're prone to panic. Any kind of sense of that, they panic.

They scare easily. They scare easily. And they basically need a shepherd. They need a direction. They have to be protected. Yeah. That's what the rancher's talking about up there. Well, what I find interesting is when you think of the thief and the robber,

you think of people who are trying to lead people down a road of destruction or, you know, bad. Well, later in the New Testament, they're called up. I mean, a big old cow has no chance with a pack of wolves. No, because he's just down there. Yeah. It's like a wolf in sheep's clothing, you know, it's kind of the picture you get. Like, they're sneaking in to the ranks. Yeah, but then he brings up the hired hand, which you would think, well, that's legitimate.

And he's like, yeah, but the first sign of trouble, he got on. That's right. And then he makes the point where they all have one thing in common. The thief, the robber, and even the hired hand, because I always think about preachers, you know, the hired hand. They have one thing in common. They don't care about the sheep. Yeah. And I'm not saying everyone's like that.

But he made a point that outside of Jesus himself, if you're putting your faith and trust in these people, you're going to be disappointed. Because people will get what they can get out of you. They'll send you down a path of destruction. And they'll give the appearance that they really care. And you'll look up and say, no, he was just a human. And that's the nature of humanity. But that's why Jesus was saying, got some red letters here. He didn't say that.

but if you want to know what I'm like, you can take this as assurance. Here's your true leader. Well, you're right. I mean, look, I've been a preacher most of my life, and it's always upset me to see a person who was in a shepherding role as a pastor or whatever, and that really didn't care about sheep but cared about himself or cared about something else. And, I mean, that's to someone who does care about sheep, it's, you know, it's very insulting.

And it's also, you know, it shows you why there's so many dangers mentioned in the Bible about them. And this comes from what Jesus said in this text. Because ultimately, Satan is the thief. One thing is I liked about John 1010 is it paints a clear picture of the two sides you're looking at. You got Jesus who comes to give you abundant life, if you just trust in him. And then you got the thief life, whatever form of evil that takes, where there's a wolf and sheep's clothing, whatever. and he his purpose here is to hurt you and destroy you which is exactly what the evil one is out to do for

anybody that's what he wants to do which is why he's done so much of that in our culture so i think john 10 is a is a is a great jesus is great at doing exactly what we've been talking about and that is he looks at something in real life and then he explains it what's interesting is just like we studied everything we asked we have into john nine or up to john nine the people don't always get it. Have you realized that just how much they missed it? I mean, because like, and maybe we have, obviously we have the, you know, we're hindsight looking back on what he did.

But I can't imagine they wouldn't have got some of that. But they were just like, what? In fact, later on, they're like, well, there he goes, demon possessed again. I mean, who knows what he's talking about? He's a crazy man, you know? And yet it makes perfect sense to me when you look at the analogies that are all there. Yeah. I mean, he said, I know my sheep and my sheep know me.

and they were obviously not when you know he later on says you're not in my pen because you don't know me that's right i'm i've introduced myself but you're you refuse to get to know me which i think is uh it's kind of a cool point when it comes to a relationship having a relationship with jesus versus going through some kind of ritualistic right religious whatever you want to call it right which which I think North America tends to go the ritualistic instead of the relationship. I know my sheep and they know me, which I've always used this as an illustration, which is why I think the number one phrase in the Bible is don't be afraid. And like number four is fear God because, you know, I've said this before on an earlier podcast,

You know, we fear God because he knows us. And it's not good. So we're like, but then we're not afraid because we know God that he's loving and compassionate. And we can trust him. Merciful. Yeah. And I think that's kind of what is point. You know, I'm the gate.

I'm the shepherd. You're the sheep. Get to know me. So that's our intro into John 10 getting into it. We'll talk about more next time. A lot of really good stuff to flesh out about this idea of sheep and shepherding. It's all over the Bible. So we'll talk about that next time on Unashamed.

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