Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1302 | Missy Robertson Gets Real About Beauty, Aging & What Really Matters in Marriage

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

Jase, Al, Zach, and Missy kick things off with a candid conversation about beauty, aging, and the reality behind the things men and women do to feel confident. Missy shares stories from her girls’ trip to New York City, including a tense and political taxi encounter, while Mia’s independent attitude sheds light on generational differences and life outside small-towns. A thrift store find highlights Jase’s obliviousness to famous artwork, and Zach plots out a secret hairplug journey.  In this episode: 1 Samuel 16; Proverbs 31; Romans 8, verse 19; Romans 8, verse 23; Luke 12; 1 Peter 1, verse 7; 1 Peter 4; 1 John 4, verses 7-21 “Unashamed” Episode 1302 is sponsored by: https://chministries.org/unashamed — See why Christians are ditching health insurance for good. Get a simpler alternative at half the cost! https://timtebow.com/tree-unashamed/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 Missy’s Secret to a Happy Marriage 04:30 Manis, Pedis & Hairplugs, Oh My! 10:45 The Never-Ending Home Reno 17:10 Update on Jase’s Infamous Trump Hotel Incident 26:05 Girls Trip! NYC 31:50 “Ugly” Mona Lisa & the Secret Karl Marx Sketch 39:48 The Motorcycle Riding Easter Bunny 47:15 Faith Gets Refined in the Fire — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We've upgraded yet again on the Unashamed podcast. We've had the lovely Missy. And Zach is still here. And Zach's still here. He didn't leave. I'm honored. That's two in a row, Zach is hung around for you. Let me see your hand, babe, and I'll welcome you properly. Oh, that's so nice. Okay.

If you're listening, shiverous. I can tell you've been gone for nine days. He was talking about how lonely he was. Oh, man. We heard the low and slow bachelor life last week. He said the first four days are great, but then he started getting lonely. Great. You said great?

Oh, oh. I mean, babe. I made that up. Okay. He literally made it up. I said I was having a problem missing you because I was three people that were really bothered me, which was me, myself, and I all alone. You and the dogs.

Exactly. Where did you go? Now, where were you at, Missy? Well, I went to see the grandkids in Nashville because that's also where I get my hair done in a little town called Columbia. So every eight weeks on there. The things that women will do for the hair,

I'm talking about an eight-hour road trip. Can y'all believe that I've never brought that up? And I only didn't because I thought, that seems embarrassing to drive. eight hours to get your hair done. I'm driving to see my grandkids, but I happened to find, well, actually,

Jace found the salon. So we were at the farmhouse a couple of years ago, and I'm like, Jay's found the farm house. He found it. I did. I found her.

It was, so we get a tent. So does this person do Jayses as well? Oh, no. Because that's not much of a poster looking here. Tell the story, I'm trying. Trying.

Just trying. We get a subscription. I guess it's free to all the residents there called our Murray, Murray living, Murray, Tennessee, it's the county. And on the very back of the magazine, it just happened to me laying on our coffee table. Jace just opened it up, and then the very back, he said, why don't you try this salon? Because I was complaining because my hairdresser had left Monroe and he's now in Colorado.

He's not coming. Nobody can do it. Like, you know, like when you get used to somebody. You know, ladies, when you get used to somebody. See, I know, I see Maddie shaking her head over there. Yes, it's like a death. It's like a death. You got to find somebody brand.

I know from scratch. And I have to say even for men, or at least this man, I'm like that because I've been chasing Connie Sue around with almost 40 years now. Because she's now 70. I was like that about it. And Al's like that about his toes. He likes to get pedicures. Where is this going?

Yeah, I had a pedicure. And they were making fun of me on the other podcast. I said, I'm secure enough in my masculinity that I can do a pedicure and be fine. But they were like, oh, welcome to the podcast, man. I will say I have a nail salon there as well. So when I go there, I get my hair done. And the pedicure people there are fantastic. And it's not like Munro.

Well, mine started because when I first started, I was back on I was still fat. And so I couldn't bend over very easily to do my own feet. And so then it just became convenient. I shifted over to the shoes you slip on. Could you see your feet? Well, some days. And then I let, and these wonderful ladies were so good at it. It was like, why would I ever do that?

So now when I see my toenails getting to that point where I'm going to have to clip up, even though now I can do it. This is disgusting. Oh, it's terrible. You talk about it. Well, but it shows the hypocrisy in this conversation. Because, look, while you were gone, I cut my hair, I cut half my beard off. No one noticed.

No one noticed. And so why you would have noticed? I did it. You didn't either. She didn't notice. I pointed it out. Because it's not near enough. And she said, oh, I thought you had your hair up or something, but she didn't notice.

And so that's what I'm saying. Why do all that? Nobody cares at this stage of our life. No one cares. You're right. No one cares except yourself. I care. I care about the way that I'm big on my hair because I don't have any.

So I buy it and have it. and have someone put it in for me. It's called extensions. I'm not ashamed. I am not ashamed. I am unashamed. She said I was disgusting with that busy. I am unashamed about my hair.

Shocked me today. That might be the greatest line. It takes a special set of skills to do that. I pay somebody to put it in. So when someone says, in Tennessee, in a state that's five states away. When someone says, oh, that's not your hair. I said, yes, it is.

I have the receipt for. it. But look, you know what's funny, babe? You really, it really meant a lot to her because she's never had, you know, she has thin hair and it was getting thinner. Well, it all mainly happened when my body went through a lot of trauma before I got pregnant with Mia and then all through Mia's pregnancy. It just never recovered.

It just never did. But you remember what I told you? I thought you would remember this. One exact line? Okay. I said, babe, if you're bald, I'm okay with it. See, so that's why it's not for you. It's for me.

Yeah, and then she said that. She said, I'm doing this for me. Well, when I first went to the salon in Tennessee, I came home and, oh, I was showing him. He loved it. Oh, it looks great. He said, how much that set you back? I said, do you really want to know? And he said, no, it's fine.

So to this day, he's never asked me how much it costs. No. I took that to me, Zach, a lot. Yeah. Well. I'd say exactly what. Well, Jill, so Jill has a disease called Vinaligo. So her whole, all her skin is a lot, like it's pigment that's gone on probably 90,

maybe not 90, 80% of her body. And so she spends money on skin care. and I just don't ask questions about it. No, it's best not to. Well, we're just coming. We're just bearing all our souls today. These are some of the keys to a very happy marriage, really. It is.

Just let us do our thing. And Jill and I are both smart enough. We're not going to spend a ridiculous amount that we don't have. So as long as we have it, our husbands allow us to spend it, and we're better women for it. That's what I always tell. And beauty ain't cheap. I'll tell you that.

That ain't cheap. I did the same thing. You said, Chase. I was like, I don't care. Like, I love you. Like, I tried to just do the affirmation, and I got the same. This ain't for you. This is for me.

Well, I wasn't. I think I convinced her that I really didn't. I was like, but if you want to do this, great. I mean, but I don't care. So don't feel like you have to do this. You know, if all your hair falls out, I mean, I committed and we're going all the way. Well, Lisa said one time that she will be buried. in her casket with bleached blonde hair.

And I said, I will be buried with extensions. So there you go. And she told me plainly, if I'm still around, do not open. It's a closed casket with a picture, one of my better pictures on top. She said, I don't, you know, I guess you know. You can do one of those wraps. Like, yeah, you wrap a car. You could wrap the casket in the picture of Lisa.

But she does not. She doesn't want to be, she doesn't want people be comment like, oh, she looks so good when they're really like, ooh. I found this so enlightening because somebody who was raised out in the woods, when she told me that this, people were doing that, I mean, I was like, remember, I was so shocked. I was like, they take other hair and put it on you. And, like, you would say, like, we'd be watching something like a news anchor. And she's like, oh, she has it. She's got new extensions.

And I was like, how can you tell? This is crazy. The other people? are doing this. I thought you were just doing it because you have thin hair. One of the producers of Duck Dynasty

actually told me because they're the ones who suggested it to me. They asked, would you be open to wearing them? And I said, absolutely,

especially if you're going to pay for it, which, so for five years, they paid for them. Are you serious? Yes, I'm dead serious. That's what she got hooked.

That's how it all starts. Yeah. They're so worried about the little details. You know, oh, well, this is. Well, I told, I told Jill,

Because I mean, as I got older, you know, my up top is thinning, you know what I mean, big time. And not like crazy where I'm bald, but it's definitely not. Like, I don't have the hair line I had when I was about 30. Well, in the spirit of fails, Zach, it's coming. Or going. It's going to get worse. It's going. It's running away from my hair lines running away from my eyebrows.

But I was like, I'm going to go get the hair extensions. And, or not hair extensions, what they call them? Plugs. plugs. And so I said there's two things if I ever do that you'll never know. I said, if I get hair plugs, I'll never tell you. And then if I ever win the lottery, I'll never tell you. And I told all my friends and family this,

and nobody thinks that I could do something like that and not say it. But I think I mean, but I've told them if I ever did it, I'll never tell you. Well, we'll probably know. Six and to say, you do have Jase who will tell the world. I wouldn't say anything. But it doesn't matter. I have a perception about people. I'm good at reading people.

So I'll know. I'll know. You think you would know if I got hair plugs? Oh, I'd know. And I would say I'd have a meeting with you over. I'd say, don't do that. It's already done. If I did, it'd already be done now.

It seems vain for a man to do that, but it doesn't for a woman. Well, that's why I wouldn't want to make that. I mean, that's making fun of me for pedicures, but he's talking about a hair plugs. It's actually, I'm not going to tell anybody. You just told it to a million people. So you ever think about this, that we all know the story of the cross. We've heard it since we were kids, which is great, right?

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But then when he realizes it's to hold up the savior of the world. You know, he's really very special. So it's kind of a cool thing. I think it's great for kids to read. I think it's a great conversation started. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, walks through the crucifixion of Jesus from the perspective of the cross, which, you know, if you can animate that cross and personify the cross, it would be the closest witness to the events that

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Could Speak on Amazon. That's if the tree could speak by Tim Tebow. Order your copy on Amazon today. No, but I didn't say, I didn't, not about I said, if I get them, if I get them, we know. Just wear more hats. You'll just, because I wouldn't overdo it. I would just do it enough to where you were like, oh, he's got nice hair. You know, are you wouldn't, I don't want you to think I have nice hair, I just don't want you to think he's thinning. He's got to set the right expectation. So we've had this conversation. Me and Joe, I've had it multiple times.

So now everybody, my family's like, if you got them, we would know. They're going to watch now. They're going to watch for it. They're looking for it. I was looking for that verse that says, man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. It's in 1st Samuel somewhere. Yes, 1st Samuel 16.

So there you go. That'd preach. But David was a ruddy handsome man, too. Yeah, I've actually just given up on it. But like I do, it's the Chuck Norris thing we talked about in the last episode. I mean, you know, there is an exploration. Did you know what you know what? He was one of my childhood heroes that we talked about.

Well, it's funny. I got four texts on that this morning. Wow. On the Chuck North. I had four people text me. Did you hear Chuck Norris died? Well, and the reason why is because the joke was about him, he was invincible. So, like, you know, everybody, Chuck Norris and all the jokes and stuff.

And so, like, what happens when the Invincible died? Well, he's like everybody else, you know, which we talked about. Yeah. Well, we invited you here, babe. We're in First John, and the theme of it has quickly developed into love after Al pointed out that in chapter four, it's mentioned 27 times. Just the stretch from seven to 21, just 15 verses. 27. But I think you're in such a good mood because you got to see all your kids.

I'm in such a good mood. I was very, you very, like, it totally filled my cup because none of them live here. So when you get to see all four of your grown kids and then all four, I got to, you know, even love on little George. there that's about to be born, all four of your grandkids, making sure everybody's doing good. Now, wait a minute. You said that quickly. Have they decided the name? You said little George, or you just call him Little George? I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. They haven't decided on a middle name yet. But yes, I think it's okay, George. If it's not, I'll let you know, Maddie, and you can take that out.

if this makes it in the podcast you just leave her talking about it maddie but then just do a blank out on there where the audience would be like oh what is that it's just so it's incredible too just to see that we're about to have number four and maris is for who's the oldest and they're just pure joy there's just they're just pure joy and david bless his heart he ran fever for seven days straight nothing came of it he was just kind of lethargic, wanting to be loved on. It was kind of a little fever virus going around through their

families and their little community of friends. But the way that they just lived their life, it just reminds me of that, well, of course, probably was already one who we went through with Lisa, but to be busy at home and mind your own business. And that's, you know, when you're busy at home, you really don't have time to mind other people's business. And I see that that's what's happening with Brighton. I mean, I was there to, I wanted to make sure I earned my keep because I had to stay with them in their home because I don't know if you told during the ice storm, our Tennessee home got hit hard to. The same one that was just recovering from the tornado. It's still being rebuilt from the tornado.

We're two years into the reconstruction now. It is. Have you ever felt like Missy's something? Sometimes the book of Jonah, you're just like. Oh, Reed reads the contract. He's like, I just feel like it's fighting against me. But the two bathrooms that were okay and we could still live in that part of the house, a pipe burst upstairs and flooded both bathrooms.

So the floor of the upstairs bathroom fell through and the ceiling of the down stairs bathroom fell through. So the silver lining is we get two new bathrooms and new ones. and new wood floors on that side. But earning my keep at Reed and Brighton's very busy house, it was easier this time because poor Brighton, her attitude is fantastic, but she's so tired. So I was able to help, you know, cook and clean up and bathe the kids, which to me is just a joy, total joy, and they're so grateful, so thankful. So that was super, super fun.

I loved to that. Yeah. But thrown in the middle of that trip, I had something else super fun, and we took a girl's trip to New York City. So my cousin, Tori, so I'm the oldest grandchild of my Gigi and Pops, and she's the youngest grandchild. And there is, so she's 32 and I'm 54. She's 22 years difference in us. Wow. And she is hysterical because for most of her life, she cannot.

remember how we're related. And she's a blonde. She's a true blonde. I'm going to say, is it real blind? Because I have to ask the question. We laugh at her. She laughs at herself. She cannot remember, like, we would be driving in the car and I would say something to our grandma, Gigi. And we're talking, she's like, why are you calling her Gigi? I'm like, she's my grandma. She said, no, she's my grandma. I'm like, yes, we have the same grandmother. That's called cousin. Yeah, our mothers are sisters, and she said, what? Aunt Peggy is your mom? And I'm just like, oh, God, okay, let's start this over again. Because Reed, because she's one year older than Reed. So she always thought Reed and Cole were her first cousins, so which would make me her aunt. I'm not her aunt. But I've

given that up years ago. Even at Cole's rehearsal dinner, this was so funny, at Cole's rehearsal dinner just this past October. She took one of the kids, my grandkids, to the restroom. And Emma Lynn's mom was in the restroom with one of her grandkids. And she said, now, she looked at Tori and said, now, how are you related to Cole? And Tori said, I totally blanked. And I said, I'm probably not the best one to explain that to you. Like it's in a Rubitz cube, right?

I think she realizes how that's coming across, because then most people then are thinking, Are you really in this family? But, you know. She's your first cousin. She's on first cousin. She's Bonnie's daughter, who's our aunt. So she would be Cole's first cousin once removed. Okay.

Yeah, explain that to her. So I explain that to me. She can't get that because I've asked the question. I've had this conversation with Reed and how are we related? So we looked it up and I'm like, I'm your first cousin once removed because you're dad's my first cousin. Yeah, they used to say second cousin, but they changed it together. Now they changed it.

Oh, somebody got offended by that. I don't know where the removed came from, but that's one generation removed. I thought removed, but somebody got a divorce. Yeah. You didn't want to be second. Well, that's right. You didn't want to be second. No, that's why they're giving trophies to everybody who participates in Little League

baseball. There's no winning. There's no first. There's no second. It was at the time we were getting on a plane and Carly and Bailey were young. They were going with us, and they, and they had, gotten to sit up in first class the last time and Bailey said, Papa, are we sitting in first class or second class today?

She said second class. Well, they call it coach, but yeah, today is coach. That's true. So, you know, somebody don't want to be a second class. I know. So that they call it coach. Well, I've been on a plane with Al before to Europe, and he had first class seats, and I had second class seats.

I don't do coach for Europe. Uh-uh. If I'm going to go over there, I'm going to sleep. and I got, he brought it up several times throughout the trip. Hey, how was y'all steak back there in the back? Listen, I thought my fillet was not quite done to my life. How was it back there with that? And I'm the one to book that trip.

That's what's crazy about it. Like, I didn't, like back then I didn't know. But Zach, I was talent. You were still just a producer. I know. I should have been like, I'm a producer, man. I'm up front with the talent. Well, I'm going to tell you, speaking of first class,

can I talk about the hotel on here? Great. Okay. We stayed at the Trump Hotel on West 59th Street. Is that the one at Columbus? Yes, Columbus Circle. It's my favorite. We've stayed there.

You know, A&E would put us there, and then Fox put us there for Duck Family Treasure. And as long as I have money, I will not stay anywhere else. I love that. But they know us, too. I don't think they know me without you. I'm just another. Well, James became very famous. Another.

I got kicked out there. And we've put that behind. behind us. Have we? They did. They rolled out the red carpet. You got the assistant call, didn't you? Is this the way?

This is in D.C. or in, uh... No, this is in New York. It's right at Columbus Circle. For those of you who were not born then, I was kicked out of the Trump Hotel that I was supposed to be at because... No, no, you were at. You were there. We were about to leave to go do a show.

Yeah. And I asked where the bathroom was. down there. Next thing I noticed, somebody took my arm and escorted me to Central Park and said, good luck to you. So I'll be honest for a while. I just assumed health insurance was one of those things you just don't question. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that that really doesn't align with what I believe. And that's when my family and I started to look into Christian healthcare ministries. It's called CHM. It's a Christian alternative to health insurance. It costs about half the cost of the traditional marketplace plans. Yes, the savings are real. This is a nonprofit

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So, Hesos is still there. Yeah. And he's amazing. My friend, my friend. He's just, you know, but then he was like, what room? And I told him he was like, oh, Mrs. Robertson. So he did not recognize me. They treat everyone as if they were a celebrity, whether you are or not. You are treated first class.

So then I told him who I was, then he remembered you, of course. And so we talked about that incident. And we were laughing. I said, obviously it didn't affect us. I will not stay anywhere else. This is the most fabulous place here. I was like, I told him that, you know, not then President Trump, but, his assistant called you after finding that out.

And you said one thing you said, look, he was doing his job. He's protecting the property. He was doing his job. And he did it in a nice and cordial way. Took you out to Central Park and said, good luck, sir. You know, so right across the street. Well, because he said in the car. He did everything but slip you a $5 bill.

Well, what's funny is the assistant with Trump in the background was like, fire him. And I was like, no, that's why I said that. I was like, no, don't, don't fire him. I mean, if I was in New York and a guy looking like me showed up. Before the haircut. And I cordially. He's probably wearing camo too. Yeah.

And I was cordially escorted out of the premises. I would think that man's doing his job. I could be a threat. So I have breaking news. Jesus. Jesus said, he came to me very closely and he said, that man who did that? And I said, oh, no. He said, he was dismissed.

Oh, he was? I said, what? No. I said, oh, no, I'm going to have to tell Jay's this. He said, that does not happen and will not happen here at the Trump. Well, I tried to save your job, buddy. Oh, man. He also said, in his Latino accent, he said, tell Jace, Jesus says hello.

Oh, I like where he's going. Yeah, he did. He was so sweet. Since you told that story, you have to tell the story. story about y'all going somewhere else and then hailing a cab and then what happened? Wait, wait, which time? You said, they said, where are you going and y'all got in the car? You're not going to believe this.

Okay, so yeah, this is disturbing. So, well, look, first of me just say, New York is super fun. We took the subway, we hailed cabs, we walked, we never felt threatened. And Mia did some things on her own by herself. You know, it's what she does. She's very independent. I could track her location because she shared it with me. But I would look up and be like, oh, she's down on 3rd Street.

What is she, you know, we're saying on 59th. What is she doing? She just went down there to get a picture by the Brooklyn Bridge because she said, there's a little spot where you can get a picture with the Empire State Building right in the window in the background. It's an awesome picture. She just went down there by herself at 715 one morning and took the subway. I was like,

okay now that you're back how was it you know so there's things like that as a mom i'm like then that's why she doesn't tell me she just goes and does it but um so saturday night we went to see a broadway show went out to dinner went to see a broadway show and you know the theater district they all get out about the same time yeah once that last show is over there are people everywhere cabs everywhere, cars everywhere, like private cars, all of that. And so it's like every man for themselves to hail a cab. It was too far. I would have walked back, but we had one person in our party who chose to wear high heels.

And they had already walked from the hotel to dinner to Broadway, and they said, over my dead body. Am I walking back? I'll leave that one private. I won't tell you who that one was. So, but he was like, okay, so we have to hail a cab. So we go out and there's this, first there's this private car, black car. And he says, you need taxi. And I was like, oh, yeah, here's one.

Mia. I went, no, get back. Get back. Get back. And she was like, Mom, no, get away from there. I was like, what, what in the world? Then another black car pulls up behind him. Like, these are all, to me, they're trying to get business.

They're Uber's or lifts or something. But Mia just, and he came around. He said, you need taxi. She said, don't harass us. Get out of here. And I was like, my 22-year-old daughter. is like, and one of my older cousins said, Mia, you are savage. I was just like, what in the world?

Like, why is she being so adamant about this? And she was like, hail a yellow cab, light on, all that. So we knew how to do that. We held a yellow cab, came in because we had to split up. There were six of us. So it's three and three. And the four was, because some people impersonate. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. So the yellow cab, we opened the door. Mia gets in first and she says, Trump, West 59th Columbus Circle. And he said, what? She said, Trump Hotel Columbus Circle. get out of my cab what get out of my cab

get out of my cab get out we said Trump too early yeah he's like I ain't taking to the Trump hotel get out he's not taking us to the truck shows you how divided our country is yeah so I was like are you serious

you know we're dressed at get Karina get out of the cab even because you're staying at the Trump hotel he wouldn't have no ride for you uh uh huh so it's like well actually that was Saturday night we'd been there there for, that was our third day. I'm kind of surprised that was the first time it happened,

because we had ridden in some cabs, and we say that every time we'd get in a cab. And so then the second one came along, and I said, say Columbus Circle first. So Mia gets in, says, Columbus Circle, and we all got in, shut the door, and he said, where on Columbus? And she said, Trump Hotel. And he said, okay, so here we go. And we passed this man who was yelling at us, you need taxi, you need taxi. And I said, look, somebody got in, and he said, you do not get in that car. That man is illegal. And I was thinking he is an illegal alien is what he was saying, but he said what he's doing is illegal.

He said he will rip off whoever is in that cab right now. He's going to charge them $50 or $60 for something that we're about to pay $18 for. And so he said he's been charged and fined two or three times at $400 or $400 a piece, and he still does it. He said, ladies, never get. into an unmarked car, you don't know who it is and you don't know where he's going. So I thought, okay, Mia looked at me and I was like, you were right. She was like, see, mom? She was validated.

But the girl is, she is, she's savage. She is. She's savage and savvy. She's both. Doesn't that make you feel good that you're learning from your kids? Yes, absolutely. Yes. We're in that stage.

We are. We are. I love it. The new world. But, you know, Mia's traveled a lot. She's been a lot of big cities. She's been in other countries.

She studied in Costa Rica. That's what I'm saying. So you think about it, they get a certain amount of comfort level that we probably never do because we're like small towners. And I'm always looking over my shoulder when I go to those big cities

to think it's a most fist and not me in the head. She Googled because she and I are both into like antiques and thrifting. And she said, there's a flea market in Chelsea. And I said, ooh, oh, ooh, we should go. I want to see what New Yorkers throw away. You know, I want to go see.

And so we, she and I by ourselves, went on Saturday evening before the Broadway show. And yeah, it was awesome. I brought two gold antique frames that were about falling apart in my suitcase back. And he started off for two for a hundred and I got him down to 20 bucks. You know, it's funny. The stave that you just made is something that has never come out of my mind. I want to go see what insert the place throws away. That's what they're doing.

I know. These things were straight types. I would never do that. Well, in my feeble mind, she has these two, but there was a portrait in both frames. I didn't make the connection. It was a print, basically. A print. And one of them was one of the ugliest women I've ever seen in my life.

And I thought, why would you buy that? Do you know who it was? Well, don't say it in public, because I just called her one of the ugly. women of her. She's dead. It's okay. She may have family. It's the Mona Lisa. Oh. Who is trying to

to paint this baby. Who is that ugly one? I said, why would you buy a picture of somebody else? I was like, she's a good. Oh, my goodness. He didn't want to hurt the Mona Lisa. Yeah, she only lived about it. It's a print.

It wasn't the actual painting. I don't know who Mona Lisa is. Well, let me. tell you what happened at our house. So Jill does the same thing. So she threads. And so she started collecting these, like these prints, same thing, like what you described, the different people. And a lot of them, they're just like, and every one of them, the person has a pipe. That's like they're hurt. I guess that's the, that's the thread that goes through all of these. So she finds an old print with a cool frame and there's a pipe involved that she gets it. And so she bought this one

and put it up in a certain part of our house. I didn't see it for months. Typical man. I didn't even notice it. And then my buddy's like, Zach, why do you have a picture of Carl Marx up in your house? And I was like, what? I don't have a picture of Carl Marx in my house.

And they say, yeah, you do. And they point to the picture. And I'm like, Jill has bought a picture, a sketch of Carl Marx with a pipe, and puts it up in her. our house. And I'm like, Jill, what did you, Jill's just like, I just like, I just like the picture. I'm like, it's Carl Marx, you know, and that, so we, we had a Marxist, uh, sketch in our home for, I don't know how, for, I don't know how many months. And who knows who saw that and probably

think some of Marxists now. Keep the frame and lose the price. If you're wondering what the statute of limitations is, I'm calling a woman ugly. Uh, Lisa Garadini, who is the person that this, the actual Mona Lisa was there. Well, that was painting. at 525 years. Yeah, I guess so. I got us a statute of limitations and run out of them. I guess her kids, kids, kids, kids.

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So here's what I'm doing, though. It was actually a mirror, and she had, in the top portion, it was a print of her. But what I'm doing is I'm collecting. and trying to find these beautiful old antique frames because at Logtown in our bridal suite I'm making what I'm calling a wedding wall, which is the wedding portraits, starting with me and Jace and going to our parents and grandparents

and then down because we have two children now that have been married. So I have a picture of Granny and Paul, which is Phil's parents. It's not their wedding picture, but it's... No one's ever seen their wedding picture, but it's a picture...

I wonder if they really were married. I don't know, they were cousins, so maybe not. Good. Speaking of wondering how we all got here. Melissa, Melissa can go on about that. Zach sister. But it was a,

it's a really like, they're older, but they're laughing together. Yeah. And it's an awesome picture of them. I think I know the one you're talking. And so I'm trying, if I don't,

if I don't have the actual wedding photo, I just want like a really good, fun, relaxed picture of them. So that's what I'm making in Logtown. So I can't wait to kind of finish that project. That's cool. So,

yeah. Hey, you just passing the love legacy down. I'm trying. It's worth it. It's worth it. Come from great.

I don't have any pictures of Granny and Paul. I didn't know there were any in existence. There are a few. I'll send it to you, the one I have. It's great. We found a few for the show, but for my birthday or Christmas, Jill got me a commission someone to sketch a portrait of my, I don't know how many layers back, but like great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather on the Dasher side.

His name was Herman Christian Dasher. And he, so we grew up, if you've listened to the podcast, we grew up in what's called the Restoration Movement, but the Churches of Christ, which started, I think in the 1800s maybe. There's got him Campbell and Stone. Yes, right after the Civil War. Yeah, so there was another guy, Herman Christian Dasher, who I'm related to, and he joined up with them in the early days, and he was a church planner, this whole thing. I was reading up on him.

I was like, how cool is this that this is kind of like in our family history? They actually moved from Salzburg, Austria, to Georgia, Ebenezer, Georgia back into like 1700s. There's this whole thing. So she finds a picture of this guy, has this, someone sketch it, and then puts it in a really cool frame. And so I'm going to put it at my office at some point, but that was a pretty cool gift there.

Yeah, I think it's... Now that we can preserve more, because even I asked A&N, or Lisa did for me, a picture of Kay and her parents. Like, do you have a wedding picture or any picture? And A&N said, I've never seen one. Oh, wow. And I thought, how sad that that is

to not have a picture of your parents. You know, and he died when Kay was 14. so there's a lot of time that was missed, but not one picture of your parents, like laughing or hugging or kissing or getting married or, you know, and I don't want that to happen. I don't want that to happen. And I just want to, like, preserve some of that stuff,

and I think Logtown will be a great place to do that. But you're right, and I talk about this a lot, and now that we're in the digital era where there's so much video and so much made of our friends, families and things we're able to do and preserve. It is, shockingly, you know, it just wasn't that long ago when that was just not the case. And so you do have that.

And I was thinking about it when I talk about dad because there's so much content out there with dad on the internet, on all of our shows we've done, all this stuff. But his great-grandfather, you know, there's one picture. I got one picture and two stories from Granny about him, Judge Debt of Robertson. she told me how he died and there's a picture of him and he looks a lot like dad because he had the beard he's got the roman nose but he lived you know 1850 he lived a hundred years prior and you know it was really interesting because that's all i know about him and and probably ever will know and this was someone i guess he was my great great grandfather but you're right it's sad to not know

and to have some semblance of your roots and who you are and you know how far back you go and if you don't preserve it, people will just forget. You know, they just, they won't even know. Well, but some people don't want to know. Look, on the way to this podcast, a guy zoomed by me on a motorcycle, and so I looked, and he stopped at a red light. He had a bunny. He was dressed as a bunny.

And look, when he stopped at the red light, he started bouncing on the motorcycle. And I couldn't help but look, I got my camera out and took a picture of him. Oh, wow. A guy, and I thought. I wonder what is kids. Do you think he was the Easter Bunny? I mean, that's not even Easter yet. By the time this airs, it'll be Easter, but, man, we're like,

maybe you actually saw the Easter buddy. We don't use the name Easter anymore. That's an eager buddy. I heard all about this when I got home. I'm in the process of trademarking all entities for that, because I think that's going to be big. He's already bought the website. I think it's going to be big, guys. And I just want y'all to know.

It's having memories of when my dad brought in the duck call. And I think we should change it. I'm going to preach about it on Easter Sunday, Eager Sunday. It's going to happen. I'm going to. It's clever. It's clever. At our church.

Maybe I will too. I'm actually preaching at our church on Easter. I mean, look, I didn't even notice. I got it from Romans 819. I know. But then when he gets to 23, he says, not only the whole creation, but we eagerly await the redemption of our bodies. We're talking of the sons of God being revealed.

And we're talking about some spring goddess from the pagan world? He's paint some eggs? I never knew anything about that name until Jason. No, we need to call that. That's the one of Jay's rabbit holes that pays off. And look, it was a rabbit hole. Get it, bunny. Got it.

And now I got a guy following me around with. with a bike dressed up as a bunny. It's just a sign. It's a sign that it's Easter. Well, I didn't. We finished my thought, though. If this guy has kids, what are they thinking? My dad's driving, right?

I don't know if they want to preserve that legacy, but maybe so. It's definitely not something you see every day. I don't think he has kids. I think that's the kind of guy. When he comes near your kids, you say run. Well, it's kind of like what you're saying. Like, some people, you don't really want to preserve. your legacy, even if you're not consciously thinking that, subconsciously thinking about that,

because I had a young mom talk to me this week, and she said she was in my home. She does some things in my home. So she's familiar with my home. And she's so encouraging. She sends me texts all the time. Like she sent me one thing that she saw the mustard seed in our bedroom. and what an encouragement that is. Well, we got that from Timmy Tebow's event.

He gave us that one time when we were there. And I have it sitting next to our wedding portrait and the candle that was at our wedding that we used at our wedding 35 years ago, 35 and a half years ago. And she mentioned to me one time what an encouragement that was to her because of our marriage and how she feels God in our home. She feels the spirit of God in our home. And I thought, we're making in a difference to someone who's outside of our family that just happens to be inside of our family from the faith of a mustard seed to what we've built our family on now, which is that faith.

But it can be so small, you know, just to have your family in this legacy that we do want to extend far beyond us. And she told me this week, sometimes I think I want to, when I need some advice, about my children, I want to call my mom, but my mom, I don't want my mom's advice. My mom wasn't a great mom. And I told her, you are welcome to text me or call me. And she looked at me and she said, really? And I was like, of course I may not know the exact right answer, but I've raised my children and they're all pretty great, you know, we'll say.

So if you have any questions, I can give you my advice. You can take it or leave it, but I'll be happy to do that. And it was like, I tell Jace, I said, it's so crazy to think that these young moms do not have people in their life because I did. And I thought that was normal. And what's normal now is you're on your own. And Facebook and Instagram and all of these TikToks, this is where they're getting their advice. And it can be very scary. Yeah.

So a legacy maybe is not just for your own family, but helping others as well. You're right. And makes a difference for people. And the mementos that you mentioned are things that help you remember. Lisa and I went to Alaska a few years ago, first time we went, actually. And we visited. There was a guy that had supported one kingdom for many years, and he's a famous artist up there. And right near Homer.

And he has a gallery. And so we went into the gallery, and Brandon and Jonell were with us. And we went to see him. We were doing some other stuff there, but we actually went to visit him, just thank him for being a supporter. And so at this point, he was like in his late 80s. He's passed now.

He passed last year in his mid-90s. And he was about 98% blind. Now he just had a little bit of vision left in one eye. But he was still painting. Like he still had a studio. He did about 10 paintings that year. He has to have it so bright and hot. It gets hot in there to see what little bit he was doing.

So that's what he was doing. We were there. But we were just looking at the gallery, and it was amazing. It's like something you see in New York. It was beautiful. Northern Lights and Mount McKinley and all these beautiful, like, Alaskan landscape stuff. And we found this one that just looked like it didn't belong.

And it was called, because he named them all. It'd be like Morning in the Meadow, you know, stuff like you would name pictures or paintings. And this one was called through the fires of pain. And it just looked like almost like if Alaska, had been a hellscape or like in hell. Because it looked like everything was on fire. And then there was like, you even had a little person in the thing. And so I was looking at it.

I thought, man, I was reading about it. So I asked him, I said, Norm, what about this? The fires of pain. Nothing else looks like that in here. And he said, oh, that was a particularly tough period we went through while we were here. And it's just a reminder to me that you have to stay true, you know, to why you came. Because, you know, they came to Alaska in 59. I mean, before it was even a state.

And so that was one of the prints. I told Lisa we were going to buy a couple of prints just to support what he was doing. And we bought that one. And we hung it in our bedroom the most intimate place for us because it was a reminder of what we had gone through, you know, to put our marriage back together and to make it work. And so it's not there anymore, but I have it just now have it in my storage unit. But every time I see it or see a picture of it if we talk about in a marriage refresh, I always say you need those reminders. both good and bad, to allow you to see where God has brought you to. And so I love that.

That's the idea about the muster. Something so small. And in the moment he was talking about it was like, look, if you could just, if you can just muster a little, you'll be amazed at what I can bless you with. But we need things like that in our life. We need reminders, you know. Oh, I had an epiphany yesterday. I went treasure hunting because it was off yesterday. And my two buddies no show me.

So I was out there by myself. So I only went through four hours. but I found this hot spot in the middle of a field that I've hunted many times and I'm finding all this stuff, but everything looked like it had been burned and didn't look like it. It had been. The latest thing I found was a 1909 quarter, so it was all before that. And it was just stuff.

I mean, I was just finding all this stuff. And it kind of hit me after a while I thought, all these people are gone. And I'm out here in the middle of nowhere, and there was a fire. I mean, couldn't have been good. The place burned down. And I found a lot of valuable stuff. And I was like, I'm sure this was traumatic.

And the more I thought about it, the more I was like having to come to Jesus meeting, you know. I was like, this is what happens. You're only here for a short time. You make the most of it. And someday people have just forgotten. And there's nothing around here but, you know, crops and all their stuff, which just burned up and got peeled over the ground for 100 years. It was exactly like the first time I went to Munich, Germany, and we're driving out, you know,

and it was pretty flat. We hadn't gotten up to the Bavarian part where the mountains are. And there was these two big huge mountains, I mean, hills, but they were huge. And I was like, well, this seems weird for this right here. And a guy driving our car, I said, yeah, that was the rubble from World War II. It's so big from the bombings that it looked like too, mountains. But by now the grass had grown over, but just like some place you'd go.

And I just thought, ooh, I had the same thing. I had that mom. I was like, just imagine being here in the early 40s when that was going on. And yet now it's just two silent hills covered in grass. All that memory is going on. But Jay, you were talking about the last podcast about what made me think about the fires of pain because we think about fire in terms of judgment, but there's a lot in the Bible about the refining nature of fire.

Sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's helpful. when you go through something you learn. Luke 12, you know, Jesus makes this statement about, you know, I didn't come to bring peace, but the sword. And he's like, there's a fire and I wish it was already kindle. Well, most people only talk about judgment there, which I believe, and I'm not ashamed to say it, that that is a reaction of God's love

because it's his righteousness is involved in that. And it's kind of like with your kids, everything's great right at when they're born because they don't understand the English language, and they're just sweet. I mean, even the things that they do that are annoying, like poop and all that, you're like, oh. I mean, everything is just like, oh, his first poop, you know.

And all of a sudden it's... Let's all gather around and sing a song. Well, yeah. And then they start getting older, and, you know, all of a sudden, some fire starts to develop because you're mad because they're not, you're trying to train them up. And that's what I just really,

think that that's that comes from God yeah but you know it there's there's there is a punishment that fires involved I mean hail's real and all that but then you have moments like with the shadrach meshach and abandigo now here they're fixed to be punished from a worldly fire if you don't bow down and and you know worship us and forget your god we'll put you in that furnace yeah and that's the famous mercy me song where it came from even if Yeah. We're not going to turn our backs on God. And then what happens?

Well, there's three of them that go in the furnace, and then somebody else shows up. Wonder who that is. In a fire. So, I mean, it does have different ways of expressing itself. There's a passage in Peter that says, I think it's First Peter four, that says these fiery trials that you go through.

And I think that's just the way God uses us in these situations to show it may not be peaceful. There may be suffering. People are going to make mistakes in all our relationships. But there's something about walking with God in the fires. Well, exactly. We were talking in our ancient Christianity Hillsdale course that we're doing the other podcast with Christian and John Luke.

We've been reading about second and third century martyrs. And a lot of them were burned to death. And I mean, you're just reading along. They're like, the guys like, if you curse Christ, you can walk out of here. And he was like, I'll never curse Christ. And then they just set him on fire and burn them up. Yeah. But what happened was that became the greatest witness to the truth of the gospel.

Who would do that if it wasn't true? And that became, you know, one of the greatest witnesses was these people that were consistently given their lives over their faith. Yeah, I'll read this in 1st Peter 1. It says these trials have come. So that your faith, this is 1, Peter 1,7, of greater worth and gold which perishes, even though refined by fire, may be proved genuine, and may result in praise, glory, and honor when Jesus Christ has revealed.

Though you've not seen him, you love him. And even though you do not see him now, you believe in him in our field with an inexpressible and glorious joy. Yeah, that's good. And that's a good way to end. Missy, we had a long week of podcast recordings. You have come in and literally let your hair down. Don't let your hair down Fridays. And so we thank you for that.

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