Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1308 | Jase & Missy Celebrate a New Grandson & His Name Sparks a Family Debate

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Jase celebrates the arrival of his newest grandson and the surprisingly old-school name that immediately sparked interest. Jase relates a powerful story of an Iranian family who didn’t believe in Jesus until a miraculous occurrence led them to faith they couldn’t deny. Al and Zach reflect on how moments like these reveal the real, lived-out power of the Gospel. The guys start a thought-provoking discussion on what the King James Version may have gotten incorrect and why it matters today. In this episode: Matthew 24, verse 36; John 11; Acts 12, verse 4; Romans 8; Mark 13, verses 26–31; Daniel 7, verses 13–14; Ephesians 2, verse 6; 1 Corinthians 15; Revelation 21, verses 1–5; 1 John 4, verse 17; 1 John 5, verse 7 “Unashamed” Episode 1308 is sponsored by: https://ruffgreens.com — Get a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your dog today when you use promo code Unashamed! https://unashamedgold.com — Get a free 2026 Gold & Silver Guide and a no obligation consultation! https://shopmando.com — Control Body Odor ANYWHERE and get 20% off with promo code Unashamed! https://timtebow.com/tree-unashamed/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Chapters 00:00 Old Names & Old Tech Is Back 05:12 Life With Four Kids Under Four 16:55 What King James Got Wrong 24:28 Mark 13 Misunderstood 29:50 Resurrection Means God Restores Creation 36:40 Community Will Continue in Heaven 46:05 Jase’s Surprise Backstage Encounter 52:55 A Refugee Story & “Holy Forever” in Farsi  — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashame. We got a, we got some guests in studio today, Jason, and Martha from New Mexico and her crew are with us. I met him on Sunday. But I'm not there because I had to come down here to Gulf Shores to do a wedding. One of the sitters that sits with mom has asked me to do her wedding on the beach today. Oh, yeah, I know exactly who that is. Oh, yeah. She's great.

I mean, mom has been blessed for sure. The folks that are with her are more, I mean, they're friends, you know, which is a blessing. Yeah, that's amazing. All right. So where are you been? Jase, you've been, can you tell us where you been? Is it talk about him? He's been everywhere.

He's been everywhere. No, pretty much went to Nashville and hung out for days. it was spectacular. I don't even know where to begin. I have breaking news. Let's not bury the lead. O.J. Rock and Lulu are grandparents again. Yeah.

That's big. Yep. Not rocking them up, man. You ready for the name? What's the name? It's actually, I did not tell them this out of, you know, because that's weird. They probably spent a lot of time naming them.

this kid. But my first thought was, I'll tell you the name, and then I'll tell you my first thought. They named him George. And I thought,

interesting. Because my favorite lure as a kid was a bait called a little George. For you bass fishermen, you don't know what that is. I like it. I like the name.

I knew you would. You know, Why? Because I thought of you at some point in this, because I thought, well, this is our family's Fred. Yeah. Because when you told me that you name your son, Fred, I went, Fred, as in the Flintstones? So I thought that when they said George, but it's grown on me. I mean, George is a pretty famous name. So let's make it famous for Jesus.

There's King George. There's George Cassanza. There's a lot of famous George. Well, it's one of those names. that we, that nobody names or kid that anymore. I mean, when's the last time you met somebody who was named George under the age? It's been a minute. Everything y'all just said, I said in the last 24 hours.

King George, George, when's the last time you heard somebody named George? That's true. But that's what happens. That's what happens with names, right? Because they come back around. And then, like, now we're in the era of old names. It's like my granddaughter, my most recent one for me, Jay's is eight years old, it was named Pearl. Well, when's the last time you heard her somebody named a kid Pearl?

I mean, that's like an old name, but it's like it fits her so well. Now, we always bring it back. Humans always bring it back. That's why all this Zach's panicking about AI and robots taking over the world. And I'm like, it's all making a comeback. I've noticed these kids now, you know what their favorite things to do? is they're selling like Polaroid cameras again. Well, you push the button, you know, start, you got to, I'm doing my hand up in the air.

You're blowing on it. And they're actually pretty good. The more things change, the more they stay the same. So they got the, so my kids are bigger on Instagram than I am. And they were telling me that now what the algorithm, if you want something to go, viral you get you an old like I'm talking about from the 90s like the camcorders like from the 90s you're talking about like a little tape in it or I guess digital they're still digital but they look kind of grainy they look you can tell they're from the old days so they're but that's what

they're doing their Instagram stuff with now and those are the ones that everybody wants to look at they want to go back to the old because the new it's a little too perfect they don't like it yeah it's a little too it's a little too creepy little too perfect. So are you off the AI cliff now? Did we help you? Do we walk you off that ledge and say, come on. I wouldn't say you walk me off of it, but I will say that the more I've got into it, I'm like, yeah, I feel better. I feel like, I feel like there's hope that it's not, there are limitations, right? And yeah, I'm feeling, I'm feeling kind of good about this one. I think you're forgetting the specifics of that, that verse that says, for the Lord.

has set a day. So when everybody's panicking or the stock market, oh, no, the world's coming to an end. I'm like, the Lord has set a day. Yeah. I think he's in full control of that. And there's the day that nobody knows except for the father, Matthew chapter.

Well, that's the same day I'm talking about. We're talking about the same day. The day. Oh, you're just coming up to the verse. I preached on this Sunday. Jay's. Oh, hey, I listened because during your sermon, this was embarrassing, because look, where I've been has been mass chaos.

When you have four kids under four, and we cohabitated with these people because our house got hit by a tornado two years ago. Now, it's, we're, we're, I can see like, Reed took us up there because my son also develops houses. And he's like, dad, got hit by a tornado. Because it was two years. And I'm like, Rita, we're going to, you know, if you don't hurry up, the Lord may come back. And this may not be finished. But anyway, it's like, we've, you know, we've run into some problems here and there.

But so we had to live with them because our, our house is not, there's no. running water. I mean, it was a redo. Because whatever wasn't wrong with the house from the tornado, the ice storm finished it off. I don't know if I shared that storm. It just complete devastation start over. So anyway.

So four kids under four. And I mean, we got there the day after that, as my dad used to say, this young kid burst forth from, from bright i'll just give the bg version from bright but i just well you don't realize when you get that many little humans in a in a place and and mom is like recovering which was look miraculous to me because i was the idiot that said for you because we we took the little kid the two of the two oldest kids which four and three

we took them to there's a Friday night a good Friday concert that they've been doing in Nashville for 10 years my buddy Chris Tomlin puts it on I had never been this was a year 10 and so I was kind of embarrassed because missy's like I think that would be great to go to and we could take the take the family you know Cole and his new wife emmeline and me and we'll take the little kids and give, you know, read and brighten a chance to catch their breath. And so we've done, I've done a few things with Chris Tomlin, but I've embarrassed myself on multiple occasions. Because you know, Chris Tomlin, he has a look that, I don't know how

I was to say this. It's kind of forgettable. Like if you see him in a crowd, you bump into him, just didn't know it was Chris Tomlin. So two or three times I've introduced myself to him and ask him what he did two or three times he's like Chris Tomp's like oh didn't we do this last year

so Missy said I'm going to call his people because it was a little late you know to get him they treated us like family come in oh full access come in they were fantastic because I told Missy I was like

did you introduce yourself to him again no no Well, Missy had a talk with me before we walked inside. We made sure that didn't happen. But Al, the reason I'm bringing this up, that thing was fantastic. I mean, I've done a lot of things in my life, but this was – Missy walked out and she's like, I really needed that in my life. I said, babe, it was absolutely fantastic.

10 out of 10. So I would tell you to buy tickets for next year because they're doing it again, but they had already halfway sold out by the time this one ended. It's just absolutely fantastic. So at some point I will share some of the stories that happened during that, just to describe why it was so fantastic. But that was worth the whole trip. I mean, it was, you know, I know we,

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More and more churches and more and more believers, and people like Tomlin and others, are doing things like throughout what we call Holy Week, which is kind of that whole last week, because there's so much that went out. You know, you think about it, Jay's, when before I preached, then I was thinking half the book of John is that one week. You know, I mean, once you get to chapter 11, when he gets there and raises Lazarus, From that point forward, that whole rest of the book is the last week, you know, of the ministry. So I'm glad that people are doing more and more things to recognize that or just, it's just to me it's such a good reflection week.

You know what was crazy about that concert, which I never finished my thought, which was people text me when I was at the resurrection service about your lesson. And I was sitting with my phone on. in the gathering, yeah. This is like, who is, what idiot has their phone on? I'm like, yeah, that idiot's me and I can't figure out how to get their home. But they were mentioning the eager Sunday, Al. So I was like, Al. I unveiled it, Jay's.

Al's preaching. So that caused me to go look it up and watch it. Ow, I thought y'all did a fantastic job. And speaking of packed, that place was packed. I mean, overflow. It was so exciting. People are yelling. I mean, they were totally into it. And it was so funny because then afterwards, Jay's, so we had mom and A&M over. We did some tenderloin and Jay's parents. And then we also had sign Christine. Christine made a rare appearance. She usually doesn't come to the family gatherings, but she did. And Cy was so fired up. Like he was

re-preaching the whole lesson. He's yelling and hollering. Shocking. It was so great. Yeah, it was fantastic. Just the whole production there. So, yeah, that's what I've been doing. I mean, I have details, but I don't know where you want to go with that.

But I just, I liked, you know, how that concept came out. We were kind of kidding around, but not really. But then once you preached it, I thought, this is pretty good. Oh, it's really. Holy Spirit revealed this. Because, I mean, really we're making up an English word, which is not unlike what people deal with Easter. And so then, you know, we got kind of, wasn't a reprimand, but the guy who sent the letter

in saying, oh, no, that's not the Easter from the spring. By the way. By the way, it is Tanner. I have emailed Tanner. That's the way it's pronounced. You verified it? I verified it. Well, he needs to do something about that.

He needs to add an end. So look, he's a big duck hunter, Jay's, and it's interesting because he's friends with our nephew, Jacob, Bello's husband. And Jacob goes up to hunt with him every year. And so he said, he said, I've got, I don't know, X amount of acres up here in Arkansas, and we whack him up here. And tell Jay's he's invited. And I said, well, you might want to listen to that podcast because he threw you under the bus just so you know. But, oh, yeah, you did. How did I find him on a lot?

He only throws people under the bus that he likes. So I said, I would take it as a sign of endearment. It's called blunt speech. It's just cutting through the riff, raff. But, well, look, he came up with that theological argument from our buddy, West Huff. I say, I've never met him. But I'm aware of who he is. And I like that he went on the Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan was like,

Huh? What? Wow. Yeah. So that was cool. But in the end, they're still trying to come up with something. And so I had another thing that happened about this. So some guy corners me and says, y'all said Easter wasn't in the Bible. It is. Acts 12, you know, wherever. I was like, no. So I'll go back and look it up.

Sure enough, in the King James version, they translated this word, Easter. True story. Really? Have you? Zach, you didn't know this? I didn't know it. Zach, you need to start studying reading some books. So I went down a rabbit hole because now, whoever that was who cornered me, you were right.

It is in the King James Version Bible. Let's look that up, Val. We need to have this conversation. Acts 12. I'm going to first of all say I'm wrong because it was translated, but then I'm going to give you a caveat. I concluded after that rabbit hole that old King James got it wrong, which is not shocking. It, you know, it was a... And it's kind of ironic too, Jay's, because where we're going to eventually get to in 1st John 5, what verse is it?

I think it's 7. King James got it wrong again with the water. the water of the blood and the spirit, they translated it, the father, the son of the spirit, which is nowhere, nowhere in the original Greek at all.

And somebody just came up with that. And King James is the only one that did that. But the Latin Vulgate did it as well. But it's not in the original text. So I guess we're two for two on King James today. Where did I say it was, X12? You said X12.

X12. Let's do this little study real quick. And look, you know, it's funny is most people that I went and... Oh, Passover. Listen. Well, Al, that word, Pascal, which is the Greek word, which we used to play a school in basketball

called St. Pasquels. Now I finally know what that means. So, Pascal, wow. So thank you. And I apologize for... That's been a 50-year mystery, Jay, is what is it? St. Pascal. I was in junior high.

It's literally a mile from us right now. It's still there. St. Passes. And I had no idea that had the, you know, it was representing. I thought it was some guy. Yeah. I did too. I thought, boy, there's religious groups.

You know, I hadn't ever read about Pascoe in the Bible. Well, it's 28 times, and it represents Passover. So what happened was, you know, it was kind of trying to understand this verse and Herod's involved. And they're like, well, this was after the Passover. so it couldn't be the Passover. So they're trying to, they're saying from Herod's perspective, he was calling it Easter

because Easter is the fulfillment of the Passover for the Christians, which is kind of what the West Huff did with the German view. Look, because it then made me think of that interpretation as like, but I realize most people are for this in the scholarly world, so I'm probably making them mad right now.

They probably tune me out. But look, you can't go. I mean, the Bible was written in history. This happened, and these are the words they used. You can't interpret scripture by saying, oh, it was a fulfillment now, so we're going to change that word because that's what it was eventually going to mean. That's basically what they did here. That word, Pascal, is used 28 other times.

times and guess what it's translated Passover because this was a Jewish audience so there it is it the word is the same word for Passover they just took it upon themselves to say since Herod was bringing it up he was probably meant something else because he didn't understand the Passover even though that's what the word is so I hope that's not too big of a rabbit hole. But I think it's interesting. I still think it gives our idea about if we're going to make up words in our English vocabulary to represent the resurrection day, eager's a better choice. Yeah. Because I do have eight instances where that's translated in English, which we're doing the same thing. We're taking a word that's, I don't know,

20 letters long in Greek, and it's translated eager. But I thought y'all did a good job in your sermon, you and Mike, of detailing what that means in Greek. It's not just eager, oh, I'm waiting, because the NIV and the third time that it's used in Romans 8, it says, wait. Yeah, it changed the word that was translated eager on the other two. It's the same word. Identival.

I thought Mike had a really good illustration about that. The idea of the intensity is the key, because the eagerness is there's an intensity while we're waiting. It's not passive. It's very active. And Mike had talked about it. He said, you know, you go somewhere and you just sit around and wait. It's like exhausting.

You know, like if you're just in a long wait, unless you're eager to anticipate. If you go, like you guys just went to a birth, Jay's. I mean, you didn't get there until the baby was born. But if you had been there that day, that's a different kind of waiting than just sitting in a waiting room at a hospital. somewhere with nothing in particular to happen, you know, just somebody's inside. But when you're intensely waiting on something new to happen that you're excited about, that's a different kind of waiting.

And so I love that idea of the eagerness that that's the not yet now is that. That's the idea that we're not just, you know, sitting around here hoping it all works out for heaven, you know, that we're going to, you know, be in an ethereal cloud somewhere. I mean, we're already living it. We're already looking forward to it. And we hit the idea, Zach, with the new heaven and the new earth, which was really fascinating to me because, you know, right now we got some astronauts up there. And these, you know, you're getting these looks back at the big blue ball.

And it just really gave me an appreciation why we have a new heaven and a new earth. Because, you know, NT Wright, he put it in his new book. It's a homecoming for Jesus. I mean, Jesus of Nazareth, this is his home. he was born here. He was here for 33 years. And so, I mean, he loves this planet and he's going to restore it. And so, I mean, it really does give you kind of a different angle than we always thought about, you know, mansion over the hilltop.

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We've been to Mark 13, which is such a great text. But there's a line in Mark 13 that most people, I don't want to say most people, a lot of people in the evangelical world interpret as an in-time thing. And empty rights, one of the people that really helped me understand this, but it goes to your point. This is when he's given like a prophecy of the destruction of the temple that was going to happen at a future date and around 80, 70, and which it did happen within a generation of when Jesus said this. But then he says this kind of strange things that they'll see, this is verse 20,

26, and they will see the son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather from the elect, the four winds, from the ends of the earth, to the ends of the heavens. And so you read that, you think, man, I think most people read that. I think, man, that's talking about like the end times and that God is going to, we're going to see him coming. We're going to see Christ coming down on a cloud. And N.T. Right pointed out, like, this is a direct. reference to Daniel chapter 7 and if you read it in Daniel 7 notice the direction of the son of man and where he's going I saw in the night vision and behold with the cloud clouds of heavens so there's

the cloud that we talked about there came one like a son of man so son of man same thing in mark 13 so the son of man is on a cloud and he's and he's going somewhere or he's coming somewhere but let's look at where he's going or what he's coming to and he came to not the earth but the ancient of days and was presented before him and to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people's nations and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and his kingdom is one shall not be destroyed. And so I think one of the reasons why we have maybe thought that we're going to somehow get caught up enraptured and we're going to go to heaven instead of the other way around,

so the heaven coming to us is because we read a passage like this. We're not reading it in the context of which Jesus is talking about it, which is Daniel 7. And that passage in Daniel 7 is this isn't about the end times. This passage is about Jesus establishing his kingdom. This is about Jesus being vindicated. This is about Jesus coming before the ancient of days. And that's something that's something that's already happened. And the reason that you know this is because directly after he says this,

he says this generation shall not cease to exist, shall not die until all of these things come to past, including this Jesus, this son of man, appearing before the ancient of day, days on a cloud. And so to me, that's a key part if we're going to understand the kingdom of heaven. And then when he goes down a little bit further, he does switch it. and talks about the end times when he says that heaven and the earth will pass away, but my word, he says it will not pass away. That's in Mark 13, 31. Well, can I interject something?

Yeah. But in between there, not like this, but it's still the now, not yet, because watch his illustration. He does do the Daniel 7. I'm going to the right hand of God, king of kings, taking those who trust in me with me, which would make sense of why he said in Ephesians 2.6, that I have seated them with me in the heavenly rams.

Yep. But then he says, now learn this lesson from the fig tree. Now, why are we bringing up a tree right here? Because that represents spring and life. Watch. And as soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. So every year we get to see spring, which that's when we do Eager Day is in the spring. Why are we doing it in the spring?

Because there's all kinds of life bursting forth. Everywhere you look around is showing God's power about resurrection. That's why Paul used all those examples in 1st, it's 15. Remember it's like, think of a kernel of wheat. It dies. You put it in the ground. What happens? Back to live.

And nobody, go to a botanist and tell him to explain how a flower works. He'll give you some facts. Guess what? He's never going to wrap his head around it without bringing up the creator, God, or some giving life-giving force. We just take it off for granted. It's all around us. It's just burst forth.

So my point is, after he gives this example, He's like, even so, when you see these things happening, you know that you know that it is near right at the door. I tell you the truth. Well, watch what he says. This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Well, are we talking about now?

That has to be now because he's like, all of you are fixed to die. Yeah. This is going to happen. So that your lifetime. That gives you credence into he's talking about going to the right hand of God. Now, what's confusing to a lot of people is then when he says, well, heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. But he's just saying, I'm launching a new heaven and a new earth.

It's beginning now. I've dealt with death. I've dealt with sin. I've dealt with the powers. I've offered myself, and there's an invitation to come to me. Those who come to me, get what? The Spirit of God, because he's at the right hand of God, and he pours it out. It comes down into us, and we represent heaven on earth.

It is a new heaven and new earth. Now, it's not completed with the resurrection of our bodies, but the glimpse of it is here. That's why we're here. That's all I wanted to say. So it's when you say, well, he shifted. He didn't shift. He's saying it's beginning now.

No, when I say he's shifted, what I'm saying is it's the not yet and it's the now and the not yet. So he starts with the now, which is, hey, this is going to happen in your lifetime. This is like imminent. So get ready, be prepared. The temple's coming down. It's all going to be destroyed. You guys, when that happens, you all need to run to the hills. Like get out of here.

Don't hide out in the temple because it's not going to be safe. You think it's going to be safe? It's not going to be safe. Run to the hills, which, by the way, it's exactly what the Christians did. Get out. And then the switch is, what I'm saying is when he moves into the new heavens and the new earth, that is a reference to Revelation 21. Because when you read Revelation 21, it says almost the exact same language.

He says, then I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. That's the one that he was talking about in Mark 13, and the sea was no more. And then I saw a holy city, a new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. Again, that's the direction of heaven. We're not going to heaven. Heaven's coming to us. That's the text, right? This is in the text that I saw a new city, a Holy Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

prepared us a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will wipe away every tear from their eye, and death shall be no more. Why, because of the resurrection? Neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore.

For the former things have passed away. And he who was seated on the throne, you know what he said? He said, behold, I am making all things. new. So that's why when we're talking on this podcast all the time about the new heavens and the new earth, that's where we're getting this from in scripture is that the God's going to, he's not going to burn the earth and then throw it in the garbage. He's going to

renew the earth. We're going to get new heaven, new earth. It's going to be renewed, just like our bodies. The way Jesus is resurrected, if you think about it, he didn't get a different body. It was, his body was resurrected, and then it was glorified. But to the point, that when Jesus presented himself before the apostles, you remember, how did he prove himself to Thomas,

doubting Thomas, that he was actually Jesus? Look at the scars, touch the nail scarred. Look at my hands. You see the holes here? So obviously, whatever body Jesus had, it wasn't a different body. It was just glorified. Yes, it could walk through walls. Yes, it could defy some of the laws of physics and things like that.

Yes, he could ascend and float on a cloud. But he was also tangible. He also bore the scars of this earth. earth. And I think that's important because that's a precursor, because he's the first born of all creation. It's a precursor of what we can think about for all of creation, all of creation will be glorified in the new city, the holy city, the new Jerusalem. So it's springtime, which means we start spending more time outdoors. And when men spend time outdoors, they begin to stink. Al, it smells like we've been working.

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white. S-H-O-P-M-A-N-D-O.com. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Mando's got you covered with deodorant plus sweat controls. Say goodbye to sweat stains and hello the long-lasting freshness. Yeah, not only that, Zad, but he also in every one of his appearances, and we made this point in our sermon Sunday, he ate fish, you know, which we've talked about quite a bit, which which links him to hear. He communed and had fellowship with his disciples, you know, on the road to Amos, in the room, the upper room, as you said, with Thomas, also on the shores of Galilee when they were fishing. So there's this idea of community, the same one we have now. And so to somehow think you're not going to have, these things won't continue is what people miss, I think,

and just kind of wondering what it's going to be like. But I also like the idea of there's a consistency here about what you read in Mark 13. Because remember, you know, God's always given his people an opportunity to do the right thing. And so that's why there's a 40-year gap that we have here before the temple is destroyed. And that whole way of life is going to be altered and changed forever because God's wanting his people to get on board. But he did the same thing, remember, when they left Egypt. I mean, it was 40 years before They went into the promised land because he's trying to give his people an opportunity to come to him by faith and to do the right thing. And so it's again, that's that idea of patiently waiting.

And God shows us the same thing. And so that's exactly why it went down the way it did. And that's why John was interesting because he was a young, young man when all this went down and he witnessed the crucifixion. But then he's now he's in his 90s. He's an older man. He's looking back saying here's the whole picture. Here's what God does develop for us. And it really makes revelation.

It really makes it make a lot more sense than kind of what's been developed to the other way. I agree. I mean, I could just ingest that all day. The technical side of it, I think y'all did great. On the practical side of it, if you go to First John and say, what does this mean? And I'll give you an illustration. So when we, I think we kind of skipped over this. but in 1 John 4,

in verse 17, says, in this world we're like him. Yeah, that's it. When it, now remember we're talking about God is love. He loved us. We love one another.

Remember that little golden chain? Yeah. So verse 17 is this new creation practically because just think about that verse. In this way, Love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment. Well, when is that happening? Resurrection.

Resurrection Day. Yep. Because in this world, we are like him. Well, when is that happening right now? Now. Thank you. We should have pointed that out earlier. Why did we just skip this first?

We're just waiting to come back. Now, I want to give you an illustration. So I go to this concert, not thinking anything. I'm taking the two kids out there, you know, my family's there. So every year, Chris Tomlin has guest speakers. I learned about how this thing works. And look, the most profound thing, me just sitting there, and I have a really funny story to tell at some point.

Maybe I can squeeze it in here. The only person I met backstage because we were late, not late to the concert, but a series of unfortunate events happened in us getting there. and because they didn't start the concert till 715. So, but we, they told us it starts at 7.

So we got there at 6.55, which is not late, but that's cutting in a little thin, right? But they didn't start 715, so it was actually perfect. So I come walking in through the back door because we had all access.

And everybody's dispersed because everybody's always sitting down. So we're backstage and we're rummaging through wherever we were supposed to be. And they're handing us these little cool Chris Tomlin team, Chris Tomlin jerseys. Because look, all the money they raised at this thing went to families who are in the foster care. Yep. Public crisis that we have. So I thought this whole thing is about winning for the Lord.

Every dime is going to this. And I'm just leaving a little baby that's born that I'm just staring at thinking, how do people not believe there is a God? I'm just looking at this little baby. I mean, they're so, so small when they're seven pounds. And Brighton, his mom, had him, I noticed his most comfortable place was on top of her tummy. You know why? Because he's been in there for nine months.

But just the visual of that when people say, oh, that's not a baby in there. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's moved two inches on the outside. And boy, he's just comfy, you know. But anyway, I'm going down a rabbit hole. I didn't mean to. But so a guy, I turned around one time because Missy's like trying to get organized, trying to figure out where the seats are. Well, there's a nice looking, clean cut guy.

He had a beard, but he just, a guy's behind. behind us and he had a little entourage there and I turned around I was like oh sorry we're holding you up and he's like uh I've always wanted to meet you and I was like well I'm jace you know he said oh I know you are he said I'm for tree report I was like are you kidding me we came all the way to Nashville to Chris Tomlin but he's coming to the back door so I figured he must do something in this industry so like an idiot I was like what you do he's like oh I seen I was like then I really realize, okay, this guy's probably a singer, a Christian singer, and I just like an idiot, said, I don't know who you are. So it's probably a dumb question. So we get to talking a little bit

about Shreveport, and he said, well, in 2008, your dad came to my home church. And he said, it was a life-change moment for me. Well, then I got a little moved because I thought, you know, here's my dad, has been dead almost a year, and here's a guy who, you know, is coming in the back door, the Chris Tomlin concert. So I was like, well, that's awesome. So we keep walking. And then he said, look, one other thing.

What, what? Because I said, I brought up him singing again. I was like, well, you're definitely in the right spot. You're in Nashville. If you're hanging out with Chris Tomlin, because I was kind of like pulling for the guy, maybe one day you'll make it. I didn't say that, but I said something along those lines, you know.

And he said, well, you know what gets me through these road trips and all? And I was like, what's that? He said, I listen to y'all's podcast. And I was like, well, wow. I mean, I'm thinking, what are the odds? It's the only person I met before the concert. And this guy, I listened to our podcast. We happened to walk in at the door.

We were obviously late. And, but what stopped me is because I said it was, good to meet you and he kept talking he said but i have a dream and i said well that man's got a dream i got to turn around and hear what it is he said i've always had a dream to be on your podcast and it just stopped me on my tracks because i was like when we just met i was thinking what do i say to this and uh at that moment i thought this must be a god thing i said i tell you i'm going to do something i don't ever do i'm going to give you my number i said i said And I'm going to, I apologize, I don't know who you are, but I'm going to go look you up

because I'm detached from the internet. And I said, and we may work that out. I was kind of giving a caveat like, who are you? You didn't want to fully commit until you knew who he was. I didn't want to fully commit, but I was like, here's my number. I gave me my number. And so he gave me his number. Here's what's funny out.

We walk out there, sit down. Chris Tomlin comes out. does the little welcome, they sing a song, and he's like, I know everybody's excited, you know, nobody knows the guest, so they keep the guest secret. So he starts introducing a guest, and, you know, we're just, just the aura and the surroundings was awesome. He introduced this guest, says the name.

I'd never heard of him, and I look up, here comes that guy with a guitar. I'd never heard of him because I forgot I just met him five minutes ago. Same dude. Well, I looked at Missing, and she's like, that's the guy you gave your number to. Who is he? The crowd cheers roars. I'm like, well, guess what?

He's a country music singer. That's why I hadn't heard of him. Yeah, he's. But now, so he's sang this famous song that he has. They're all singing it. But then he sang one of Chris Tomlin's song, with him. I already know he's a believer because he told me about Phil 2008, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So now I'm like, baby, you realize I'm going to have to text him,

you know, because I, he texted me his name. I looked at it. I was like I didn't know. But anyway, that part went real good, and we'll see about having him. So recently, we've been talking a lot on the podcast because of Holy Week at Easter, just the powerful story of the cross itself and how it impacts our lives. And our good old friend, Tim Tebow, has a new book. It's called If the Tree Could Speak. Jase, you have a copy of it there. What impacted you, Jay, the most about the book?

Well, I love it because it's a great conversation starter. And this definitely came from the Spirit of the Lord in Tebow's life to come up with this idea. It's really clever. It's easy to read. It's great for kids to be a part of. And overall, I just think it came from the Lord. So basically it walks through Jesus' crucifixion from the perspective of the cross. It's a well-written, it's beautifully illustrated.

It makes you slow down and really fill the weight of what Jesus did for us. So even if you've heard the story a thousand times, and we've probably told it a thousand times on this podcast, it still has an impact that's different. And one of the things that I loved about it was that, you know, the cross saw itself as just this tool of an execution. But then once it held up Christ, it saw itself as bringing something to the world. So it's just really good. We want you to check it out. Step inside the story.

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It'll be silly. Garth Brooks, George Strait. Some guy named Garth. There it is. Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis. That's his name. Jordan Davis.

And his famous song that he's saying was, I can't even remember the song, but I know at the end he said, but I can buy some dirt. It was something about buying dirt. Now, since we have crickets, that shows you that us three, we do not. Because there were thousands of people here.

They knew the song. We were in Nashville. and it was clever. It was a clever, clever song. But anyway. Well, I say he would get him on. I want to hear the story. I especially want to hear the impact that dad had.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, he came to his church. Yeah. He's from Shreveport to Nashville. So I got sidetrack on my point I was making. So one of the other guests, talking about in this world we're like him, was the preacher. They had a preacher at this concert.

I mean, I say it's a concert. It was a good Friday celebration. Celebration. Realize why Jesus died. Right. The speaker was from Iran. And with what's going on in our world, this guy gets up and tells his story.

He came to this country when he was nine years old. The point I want to make without going in, it was fan. Fantastic. The point I want to make is he came over here because they left the country because they were fearing for their life. His dad was like on the hit list or whatever for, you know, things that were made up or whatever. So they get out of the country and get over here. How he came to the Lord is what I want to zero in on. So they're not believers.

They're Islamic, and they find themselves in the city of Fort Hood in Texas, which he's like, I was more terrified there. Because we're staying in a military town in America at a time where everybody hates Iran, and I don't blame them. And we don't even believe in their God. So he told that story. But his dad was trying to make a living, had a store. but nobody would work for him because he was from Iran. And he talked about it. He was called every name in the book.

But there was a church that reached out to him, to his dad, and just said, look, we'll work for free just to help you get started. It was an act of love. It was quite the ministry ambition. And so for his story, he's like, I was, I was, mad at God, his God, the Islamic God or whatever. And I use 18. He's like, I'm smoking weed in a car with a guy who invited me to church. We were both smoking weed. He's like, we were both not with the Lord, but somewhere in that weed smoking, this fella asked him, invited him to church, and he's like,

okay. So, but he went back and asked his dad, well, long story short, the church, the church, church group that helped the dad keep his business afloat was the same church that the guy, his son is smoking weed with, which is this preacher now. And he said, well, you can go there. So he goes, and he said, that led to an eight-week Bible study every Monday night. And he said, each Monday night had a verse about Jesus, and he quoted all eight just off the top of his head in record time. And he said, after that, I gave my life to Christ. And now, here he is now preaching, you know, Jesus.

And so when this latest thing happened 41 days ago at this time of the recording with Iran, he's like, you know, it upset him so much because he's feeling for all those people. And he talked about, you know, underground churches and all this and that. And so in an effort just to kind of worship God, he was, and he's good friends with Chris Tomlin and has been for 20-something years, he finds this young girl who's saying holy forever on the internet in Farsi, which is their language, the Persian language. And he reaches out to her, and her story was quite similar to him. is in that they were refugees years ago.

She's 18 now, but when she was, and they were not believers, when she was born, she had a heart condition, and they only gave her three weeks to live. Now, she's 18, so something happened. And what happened was a local church, even though this family wasn't believers, they heard about the diagnosis through the medical world or whatever, and they offered to come pray for this baby.

And, of course, even though they didn't believe in the same God we believe in, when your daughter is only given three weeks to live, you'll pretty much take anybody who has an idea. They said, come on. So they prayed for this girl. The next day, they take it to the hospital for the test and all. And the doctor, who at that time was not a believer, came out and said,

I don't know how to tell you this, but we can't find anything wrong with her now. And, of course, that led the parents to find the number of the people that came over and prayed, and, you know, a week later, they gave their life to Christ because they're like, what in the world is happening. So this girl feels like her life, God had a plan for her life. So three years before the concert that I was at, that. I know this is a long story, but it really has a kick at the end. She hears that story when she's

old enough to understand the English language. And here she has at a Chris Tomlin concert, three years before what I participated in a couple nights ago. And while Chris Tomlin is singing Holy Forever, she does a little social media post that says one day, I just want you all to know after, you know, she's singing along with the song. She said, I'm going to stand on stage with Chris Tomlin and sing this. Well, at that time in the story, guess who they bring out at the concert that I'm at? Here comes this 18-year-old girl, and she sings Holy Forever in Farsi. And nobody knows what she's saying, and everybody there is crying.

I mean, boy, it was powerful. And so my whole point for telling you those stories Because that preacher without knowing this When he said this line, I thought this is where we're at in 1 John He said, I'm just thankful that we ran Across people or God put in our path Who showed us the love of Jesus Yeah

In the way they live their life Yeah And that's my whole point it wasn't some nine-track you know eight-track gospel presentation what got their attention was God's love in human people people who had been rescued by the love of God and they said we're going to go help this guy get through his so he doesn't go out of business we're going to pray for this little girl they saw they saw God's new heaven and new earth now they saw a glimpse of it in the lives of people

And it led them to the source, which was the love of God. They heard the story of Jesus, which is ultimately love in human form, dying on the cross and being raised. They gave their lives. And here we are, you know, 40 years later, having this moment as far as Good Friday. I mean, it was, that's why I said it was spectacular. But that's what we're called to do. No, it's so good.

Well, we're out of time. But we'll definitely pick it up here next time in our text. But that's a great story. I love it. We'll see you next time. Don't unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast.

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