Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 131 | How Phil Really Felt About the End of Duck Dynasty, Texting Nightmares & Jase's Birthday

Episode Date: August 21, 2020

Phil reveals how he really felt about "Duck Dynasty" coming to an end. Jase recalls a traumatic childhood birthday and explains his issue with keeping track of birthdays on Facebook. Al and Jase are plagued by text message threads, and Phil doesn't like anything that has the word "group" in it. Jase describes a memorable conversation about Jesus with his tour guide in Israel. And the guys get into Jesus the good shepherd, the meaning of John 10:29, and why you need to go read the red letters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we had a get-together last night, and I got to make a speech at the beginning of it. And it was, we were there for two reasons. We were at Willie and Corey's house. And we don't, you know, I guess years ago we did a lot more family get-togethers, but I guess I figure it must be because we're all so big now and kind of have our own planks. Like you were saying, you got your whole crew. I mean, my whole crew is, you know, 20 people just for my bunch, you know, with grandkids and all that. So we all got together, most of us, they were in town here last night.

And so we were marking two things. One was Tony and Phyllis, our sister. We're not calling her our new sister. We're calling her our newfound sister because she's really been our sister for the whole time. Of course. But she is newfound. We just found out about her. And she's awesome.

She's moved here. And she's, and we mentioned this before in the first. podcast. She's actually living in the old command center. That's their bedroom now, which is where we were doing this podcast. So that's all we had to move out to our new deal. It's kind of like me being on the show now. That's right. I was here for 130 episodes. And somebody said, I don't think he's leaving. So now we're unashamed with Phil and Jayce Roberts. So, okay. So I guess what you're telling me, Jay is that 260 is going to be unashamed with Phil. Jace and Al Rose.

And Al. At 260, we're going to hit, we're going to hit me if I last that long. I think it's the lack of a beer. Could be. I don't ever get, I get no respect. I'm like, Rodney Dangerfrey.

I was completely blocked off from all computers and digital land. I was completely cut off for it for over 50 years. But you're acting like somebody did that to you. You did that to yourself.

I know it. But she said I was completely cut. You cut yourself off. Yeah. Well, that's right. I don't know why that's a point. It's called self-quarantine. But now I'm like, okay, I'm in the digital world and don't even know how the thing works.

You're everywhere. And that's what's interesting about back to Phil's and Tony is they basically, she found us through. DNA that now is in digital land because they build these family trees around people's DNA to find a who's who. Yeah. And that's how they found us. I was amazed at how many other people have the previous children coming out of their past. So many of them have contacted.

Well, I mean, that's because of so many people doing this thing now. I'm still waiting. I have a challenge out there to scientists. And look, I love science. I'm a science man. I just believe God is the greatest scientist. There he is. Yes, he invented it.

Yeah. So I'm not against science. But I have issued a challenge on hundreds of occasions. And I've said, who wrote the code? Because they all say DNA is the most sophisticated code on the planet. And you're discussing why after they're, They did discover the code. Many, many, many, many scientists turned godly over that one point.

Yeah. You know what I noticed? They're like, who wrote the code? And then they were like, huh. You know what I've noticed in the last year? Because I'm all the time reading any kind of DNA article. Because I think it's an evidence that there's a God. It's the most sophisticated code.

It was here since humans. Yep. So most of the times you come up with a code and then it becomes more sophisticated. We discovered the most sophisticated code and it had been here the whole time and it's in our body. It's correct. And we can't figure out, you know, we came up with the Morse code. Boy, that's awesome. You can track your children within 99.9.

Like that's like that. Without DNA, no. So what happened to this evolving thing? We've digressed because our code. They're not as complicated as the one in our body that they say no one wrote. But in the past year, when I read these articles, now they're, they don't want to use the word code. They're like, well, technically it's not a code. You know why?

Because people like me keep saying, well, who wrote it? That's right. If it's a code. If we have a code. Oh, it's a code. That means someone wrote it. So they're like, you know what? We need to stop calling that a code, science nation, because we don't have an answer for who wrote.

it. That's right. So now they just call it something else besides the code. The redneck view, the redneck view, which is my own as a C plus man, I'm like, so what department in saltwater handled that particular facet of humanity? I know. The animal world. I know the answer. I know the answer. The encoder. And look, to dad's point, he's always saying, just because you chat, the name of it. It's like when they, everything was B.C., you know, before Christ. Yeah. And then the A.B. They said, no, that was B.C.E. before the common era. Yeah. I'm like, when did the common era start? They said, the same year y'all say Jesus showed up. I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought. So you can change the name, but we're basically going to have the same.

You're going to going back to 2020 years from something. We're going to have the same concept, which is right. Well, tell them and the other thing. So the first thing we're doing was we're honoring Tony and Phillips. Welcome to West Monroe, welcome to Louisiana. We've already, of course, there are welcome to our family, but also was kind of our official welcome to the Robertson family. And by the way, to your point, we received a lot of information from people. And I don't have a way to quantify it exactly,

but I would say eight out of ten don't go well. I mean. Oh, is that right? Oh, yeah. I mean, and I don't know, it may be more, but almost everybody that sends something, and in. It's things didn't work out well. The person wasn't who they thought they'd be. There's a lot of trouble, a lot of strife. It's, it's obvious you can understand that's

someone that the wife didn't know, and all of a sudden she finds out. And, you know, so it's a lot of difficult. So which makes me feel good about our family and our situation is that we've not only, not only has it gone well, but we feel blessed to now have this person in our life, you know, and her. I don't want to make light of it because, you know, we believe God worked this out for us. Right. But I'm just guessing that if I was a female and someone handed me a video and I watched a show like Duck Dynasty and somebody said, this is your family, this is your real family.

My expectations before the meeting would be at an all-time low. I was like, well, nowhere to go but up from here. Well, it's funny that you say that because Phyllis told me that basically, she was tried, they had never watched the show. And because they were missionaries in Nicaragua. They didn't, they heard about it, but they didn't know anything about it. So when they find out it's us, she sits down and starts watching the episode and she's like, I just didn't like it at all.

I mean, and I said, well, that's what dad said. He was on it. So she didn't get it, but she loves the podcast. And in fact, she was, we were just together at the beats last week and she was listening. Well, I did it without ever getting it. Right. I did it without getting it. I'm like, I mean, I looked up.

and there's a throng from New York City and Los Angeles, California. I'm like, good. I always said that when people said, well, how real was the show? I said, look, go watch Duck Dynasty and just watch Phil. Yeah. That's as real as you'll ever get on a show because Phil was oblivious of what was going on. Which to me was really funny. I really was.

That was really funny on the show. It made it funny because it was a severe strain on my. person well these producers were scared of you for some reason and they would come to me and they said do you think your dad would i said go ask you but they wouldn't and so phil would just show up and mostly it was this or he'd say a few words well so i considered it a period of time that i just weathered but so much as how did you like that after it's all over i was like i have never felt such a relief when somebody said this thing is finally going belly up i'm like I said, me too. Thank you, Lord.

And dad did take it for the team to. I did a lot of, by the way, I did a lot of spiritual stuff on there. So our audience will know. But I want you folks to know something. You know what? They never ran it. Yeah, never made the cut, dude. It never made the cut.

90% of what I said was never run on Duck Dinish. But I will say this. But the podcast, they can see it a little more clear. It opened up the door for what we're doing. here, which is great. So the second reason that I told our family last night why we were together was that, as on yesterday, August 16, 43 years ago, Elvis Presley died, and he was only 42 at the time he died in 1977. So yesterday marked that Elvis has now been dead longer than he was alive on the earth, and he's still very popular. I know where you're going with this. And then,

And so everybody's like, oh, and they're looking at me like, that's an odd thing to say. And then I said, oh, and it's Jason's birthday, which was funny. And it got a good life. I had a traumatizing experience on my eighth or ninth birthday. It was your eighth. We were going to have a party. You probably, you know, you hadn't been. I'm sure dad was planning the party.

You were post-Jesus just a short period of time. So you were probably on the withdrawal stage. So this would probably be some of foggy. I call it. I was at the zigzag stage. Yeah. Zigzag. But here's what happened.

I woke up with excitement, as most kids do, when you're going to have a birthday party. Your eighth birthday. And I see the presents. And here we're just fixed to start. We're going to bring the cake out, blow out the candles. And somebody said, what? And they turned a TV up.

Elvis died on my birthday. And as sad as that was, the party also died. There was no cake. Nobody even got the cake out. I got my own cake. It killed the party. It killed the party. Everybody was crying, you know.

And I just thought, well, they're going to pick it back up later. Nope. That was just, that was the day the party never happened. Which is why I brought it up because remembering that. It was a bad memory. It was a lot of shabby to the levee, but the levy was, uh. Yeah. They say, they made a song about that.

I don't do. Was that the day of us? Was that where it was? I didn't even know what that meant. The day the music died. But you got to think about it, to our audience today in 2020, they're like, unless they're older and hardcore, they're like, what's the big deal about Elvis?

But in 77, Elvis was a big deal. I mean, at 42 years old, he was the biggest celebrity that was around. You know, the Beatles, you know, were kind of rivaled it, I guess. But Elvis was a big deal. Well, I liked him until he died. Then I never liked him, man. Because from a kid's perspective, well, I just thought he ruined my birthday. I never was.

much into Elvis. Yeah, we never, none of us were. Granny and Paul were kind of upset about it that day. I remember because they liked him. But Granny remembered. Kay was crying. Yeah, Granny remembered him when he sang gospel, that she said she liked his gospel stuff.

Which, you know, he did some amazing gospel. I'm not sure that took. Maybe it did. Maybe it did. Well, he was 42 when he passed, and this year marked 43, so it gave me a good chance to, I was going to do that, Jay's one,

because I preached Sunday. And that was going to be my, open because I always like to do something unique. And I even had a bit where I was going to have the fellowship center, the worship center, and the online audience all say happy birthday Js at the same time. But then you weren't there. Well, I was online because I was coming back from Montana. But since you weren't there, I didn't even know if you were watching, so I didn't waste

a good bit. Well, you better be glad you didn't because I think I don't want it to say something, which I've always said, I love how the African-American community at their churches, which look, I wish we We're all, like our church, we meet. We're all together. There's all races, which I just, God worked it out. I think that's what Relations 327 said. But you've been there and I have to, you know, Al and I have been the only white people at an African.

And I've been speaking before. I've been the only white person. And Al tried to tune in and get a little more lively. I'm trying to tap into my Al Gore. You know what, Al. You just, if you ain't got it, you ain't got it. I just had to try it. But he tried it. But I love how they go.

Well, I've said that before, but I love, because in our churches, like mainly, if it's just a white church, they might say, there might be a hallelujah. Amen. And we got a guy who's Jesus, you know, amen. But nobody says, well. And you say, well, why? Because well means what I came to understand is that. I don't know whether you got this on straight or not. I'm not agreeing with this.

I have another point. Well, there may be, which is funny. You said that. I've heard that, but I never knew it until. You said it. Well, I researched it. That's a good thing to sort of keep the proclamer on his toes. That's right.

Because you start getting a lot of wells. When you get to that, right along, yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Then when you get too well, maybe not here. I've done it a few times since. And people look around like, what do you say? Because if it's not a... Well, I just couldn't help. If it's not a black audience.

I do not agree with this. I do not... Well! I like that. And it makes me feel better. I'm with it. So what I was going to say is actually, and this is disturbing. I want to bring this up.

Our viewers should get a kick out of this. All right. Hang on. Let's take a break. I think this is going to be good. So the day before my birthday, I'm in Montana. I wake up at sunrise. Because, you know, I'm on a mountain in the sun.

By the way, Jason, how old are you? Let's not talk about that. I've forgotten what year you were born. Here's what's funny, Phil. He was born in 1969. 69. Here's what's funny about that, Phil. Every time you start talking about age, you say, I mean, you're proud and 50.

You're coming up on 50. I'm thinking, no, I've already hit 50. And I'm 74. Well, one thing I'm, it just occurred to me, I'm pretty proud of, is that at least we got hold together. Chase, your next marker, your next marker is 60 and mine is 80. So I'm just saying between the two of us, you're going to be getting into your 60s. If I'm still kicking, you're like, whoa, here.

You know what's funny about this? If I'm making it to my 90s, you'll be in your 70s, which it's just kind of scary. Yeah. We're a day removed from my birthday, and I really think this is the first time that you've actually thought about it. But that's okay. It is. That's true.

So birthdays and beaches I never were a part of. And also, why I do not know. What was the two he said the other day and he would never do? It was play golf or carry a sign. Well, he forgot about carrying a sign.

Play golf and there's another one. I'll get back to you. I'll get back to it. But what I was going to say is somebody, here's what happened. I get up and my phone, I look down, there's about 10 messages on my phone. It says happy birthday.

So I look over there, and I guess Missy sent, because I thought she was asleep since I was looking at it, and she's like, what do you want? Her eyes were closed, you know, and I was like, that's a pretty good intuition right there. And I was like, well, what do you give 51-year-old man a presence? Just thought. You know, what did I get?

Just a text that says. I gave him your pie. Al got me a pie. I gave him a cherry cream cheese pie, which is. is his favorite pie. You know, it's kind of crazy. I think that's actually the only gift I received.

Willie cooked. He cooked your dinner. That's right. And I got a pie. That was it. That's what you get at 50. Which was good. I appreciate you.

Well, I'm glad I was the only one. I usually get gifts. I usually give you a case of golf balls. Once you get in your financial situation. Yeah, what do you need? you have everything you won't beyond everything you want. Usually my wife gets me something, but she just didn't.

But you know, it's really close to my anniversary. So, you know, it's okay. So what I was going to say was, so I looked down like about five messages, five to ten, saying happy birthday. This is the day before you. So, missy said, yeah, what do you want? I said, is today my birthday?

She said, no, it's tomorrow. And I said, well, why is, I think that's my phone. He said, why is everybody wishing me happy birthday? She said, I bet someone has put it on the internet. Why else? Because we weren't. We were in Montana.

Yeah. And so she said, I'm on it. I didn't know what that meant. So I just went away. So about an hour later, she said, I found it. She said they posted, you know, that it's your birthday. So I guess, and what made me think was, Okay, and it was on Facebook.

That's where they get it from. So I'm like, these people, and some of the people who, out of the 10, were my family. What you think of it? Well, that's when it hit me. I thought, okay, you're believing Facebook no matter what? It's almost like Facebook has become a Bible to people. They're like, oh, read it on Facebook. It's Jason's birthday.

Got to be true. Because, I mean, a couple of my messages were. I bet you read this on Facebook, but they didn't change my birthday. I've dealt with the same phenomena like that. About 20 times people on Facebook, I get the information. Somebody else comes to me and says, you just died on Facebook. You're dead. You're gone.

I've been arrested. I've been, the police have gotten me. I've died. Look, this is multiple times. Yeah, I tend to not. take whatever this Facebook is. I tend not to take that too seriously. I've died on Facebook a lot of times.

When your cousin is wishing you happy birthday a day before because they read it on Facebook, what? This ain't just people, random people. If you got into my phone, I know you pretty well. What kind of mind is looking on what you're calling Facebook looking for someone's birthday? You're talking about running out of time, running out of time. something to do well they have a wall and they put the information on their wall and then people come by and read your wall they write on the wall which is not a real whether you're alive or dead

whether you're 10 or 20 or i just have better things to do well so i bet y'all didn't know this so there's there are several websites because i've seen them they'll pop up on one of my social media that recognize celebrity birthdays and all of us I guess have garnered enough attention that on my birthday it'll pop up on my phone so and so so and so from Duck dynasty happy whatever your birthday is so there are websites that keep track of your birthday and then just push them out across the internet so I'm sure they were doing it on the 60th I've always looked at it through a spiritual lens every time you have a birthday which actually do you know your birthday Yeah, April 24.

Okay, I was just curious. But just looking at that, you're actually, it's not true, any of it is, because they'll say happy 51. Yeah. But Jase is now, after his birthday, he was in your mother's womb for nine months before the birthday showed up. He'd already been here in his mother's room, Ms. Kay. He'd been up for nine months, which is

three months shy of a year. So he's actually nine months older right now than he says he is. You say 51. He's actually 51. And three quarters. He's almost 52. Just three months short of 52. So I'm just saying it's not a good barometer.

It is a good point. And plus the happy part, happy birthday and you're one year closer now, Jace, to your departure. Well, it's getting depressing. Your soul and spirit, leaving your body, your body falls asleep. You're saying there's a lot of things that the world's not aware of when they say, happy, happy birthday. But see, now you're making me go back nine months, and now I'm realizing since I was conceived

pre-Jesus that it was probably at some kind of psychedelic Woodstock concert. They weren't married though May have been involved Trust me, it's been so long ago 50 years I'm not quite sure how you got it Yeah Well that, and I don't even want to go there But I'm looking at you and I think you mind

The way you've been acting all these years I don't think I don't think there's any denied it It's kind of like the long-lost sister She's a Robertson. Oh my goodness Look I've spent a lot more time Y'all had with her

We were just together a week She is a I said we'll find out whether she's mad She is a Robertson Like she's a woman, but it's so funny. Like so much so that like, so I'm on a text chain with her and her husband, Tony and Lisa. And I'm like, she is Jace or Willie. So many things that she does is one of us.

And then they got into something over clothes for a wedding. Well, she's the only woman, Robertson, we've ever seen. That's right. There aren't many. And so a couple of your sisters, that was it. But on this chain, I'm looking at the thing. And she's going on about dresses. and this makes me look fat.

And it was for the first time, it was like she was a woman. Like up until this point, I disputed her as a fifth Robertson's son until I saw her going on about her, what she was going to wear. And then it sounded like a woman, you know,

like Lisa would do like, oh, what about this? What do you think about that? Then I was like, how do I get out of this text chain? Because you just left the station with me. You've stumbled up on the worst things in society.

We used to, now they have group texts. I don't know. Somebody. Never heard of it. Look. Group text. Now listen to this.

I'm really going to it. Anything group something scares me. Well, yeah. If you put group in front of it, it's not going to be good. Look, some of the moms at my daughter's school formed a group text. And instead of getting Mrs. number, they got mine. Oh. And so none of these people are in my phone.

And all of a sudden it's like, hey, we're having a party at toe and to it's Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing So I scroll down and I'm like, I need to find leave the conversation because that's what I was going to do. Because used to you could do that. You could just go and leave.

What happened was that appeared on their end. Jay says left the conversation. Well, it would say this number has left the conversation. I trained myself. Phil, Phil. So people got their feelings hurt. So the phone makers said, you know what, we're not going to do that because people have been devastated so much by

leaving the conversation. So now you can't leave. You cannot get, the only way you can leave it is to take a hammer and destroy your phone. And you wonder why I don't have one. I'm this close. I have memorized one cell phone number out of all the whatever. and that's Ms. Kays. I know her cell phone number.

But if you ask me, well, what is your number? Just regular telephone number or in. You'd have no idea. I have no idea. Well, guess what? I don't know my number. I have no idea.

I like it. You're a Robertson. No, I'm not a Robertson. It's now, if you don't, the name is the number. Yeah, because your contact with this. Nobody goes by the number. So when I go...

Is that right? Yeah. So when I'm filling out of form and they'll say, what's your phone number? I say, I don't know. I'm sitting there. hold my phone and they're looking then they look back at me they look at the phone they look at i know i have one i just don't know what this number is and they'll say well you can look it up i

said no you can't not on mine because my number went to a producer from one of the tv shows they said how'd that happen i said i have no idea but i can't remember which producer it was but somewhere in my phone there's a producer of a former producer of our show and my number is attached to his name and I didn't do that I don't want to live in that kind of world I want that crap to just pass me by like a warm spring day and I don't want to fool that I went to missy let's take a break about the warm spring I went to miss you this the only time I've done this in our marriage 30 years.

And I said, I want to show you this text. There was a hundred messages from these women about everything under the sun. I said, if you do not get this off my phone, I'm out of here. It's me or them. So here's my phone. Find out who those numbers are. And I want to leave that conversation. and come to find out whoever started the group can actually take you off.

And she did it. So here's Cotos Jay's point, Dad, and this, again, this blows your mind. So at the same time, the phone people were making it where you couldn't get out of a text chain. They're also added in this new thing that people are doing, which again drives me insane, where you can like what somebody says. A little heart comes up. It's a heart. I said something, and then they like it.

And then somebody else can laugh at their like and say, and it comes up, ha-ha. So now, on top of all the messages, we got Bing, Heart, ha-ha-phing, bah-ha-ping, be. It's just like, and women tend to love it, apparently. You have to remember something. It drives me crazy. I think some of this goes back to the roots of America when we were a lot better off. when a couple of technicians drove up and they were placing this device

on one of our walls in our house and I'm a kid and I'm like Sinai, we're standing there like, what in the world? What is that? What is it? And they were hooking the thing up. You know, it had a little cord on it.

A clock. And one of our parents, mama turned around and she said, here's what this is, guys. You can be in this room right now. Now, we're sitting there, never seen it before. Never seen a telephone. This is way before television. Television came way after that.

But this is telephone. And she said, my mother to Si and I were standing there like this, jams over there. She said, you can talk to Ms. McKinney. down the road from right here. We're like, oh, get out of here. Get out of here. We're like, no.

She said, you're going to be able to talk to her, Ms. McKinney, who lives down the road three or four blocks from this device right here. Well, they put about eight people on that one line because they didn't have other lines. Right, right. So they put eight people on it on both sides of our house, so you'd pick up the phone.

So you could talk to your neighbor. And the odds of somebody talking on it out of the eight or nine was pretty good. So most time we pick it up, and I talked her. And it's women talking. And when if you picked it up, she said, get off the line. So we were just seeing what was going on. You were just trying to listen in.

The old women on it was giving us a cussing when we tried to find out. You know, I just wanted to say something to you. Where are you? Well, they're down the road three or four, blah. Let's call her up and ask her. So they're all talking to one another. They're all talking to one another. Shut the phone.

Get off the phone. They ain't nothing changed. I'm trying to say is we've come a long way since seeing. And yet we're back to the same spot. Well, I'm just saying it was trouble there to start with. I said, I don't know about this dog going to think. It's still. To this day, I never got one. It's still trouble. And it's still just a lot. I mean, some things are important and obviously you have to have them, but man, the madness that goes in with them and the habits of people that use them. There's too much. Oh, it's way too much. There's no doubt about it. Well, we'll never figure that out. But I will say I love.

talking cell phones with dad that's always a interesting trip well our segue into John 10 is where when Jesus said they hear my voice and they listen to me I think a lot of people find that preposterous here's a person who was on the earth roughly 2,000 years ago and he's given an illustration where we can actually hear his voice you have an individual listen what do you you're saying is when you hear my voice, what I say is without mistake ever. And you say, wait a minute here, a mistake free being says when you hear my voice, just remember, I'm mistake free. Yeah. I'm the king of the cosmos. Right. So when I say something,

you take that to heart because no one else is going to say what I'm saying. And no one has ever come along now that even came close to what he said you know and he kept telling the disciples and that's your point there jason that he kept he kept telling the disciples remember back in john nine when he said look i'm not going to be here i mean as long as i'm in the world the lights here for a period of time that's right and then nights coming so he was like trying to tell them but they weren't getting it it was like look you need to really listen for the next three years so everything i'm saying so listen to everything i say and on top of that listen to everything i'm going to do right take that together, just mistake-free.

Right. So, you know, he repeatedly said Matthew, Mark, Luke, even John, the next page of two, we'll get into it. He repeatedly said, guys, I'm going to go up to Jerusalem, and they're going to arrest me, kill me, and three days later, I'm going to be raised from the dead. Now, he says that, and they're just keep walking, and Peter and him looking around, one time, Peter said, never.

Wait a minute here. Wait a minute here. Not only did he predict it, he predicted what he was going to do on top of everything he said. And look, Al, and pulls it off. Can you imagine me telling y'all, you and Jace,

I want you to remember something. They're going to kill me. In about six months, they're going to kill me. And he said, and then I would tell y'all, But in three days, I'll be raised from the dead. So don't forget that. And he just kept walking down the road.

Well, just think of what kind of you would say, oh, whoa, whoa, here. They were looking around like, what did he say? Well, what's interesting is in John 1018, he said that, well, he said in 17, he said, the reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life only to take it up again. no one takes it from me but I lay it down of my own accord I have authority to lay it down

an authority to take it up again this command I received from the father of course their response was he's demon possessed and raving mad that's all they could come up with let's take another break

and I thought it was interesting Jays because I hear people say this and without trying to be too you know, people's semantics. I know what they mean. When they say, you know, they murdered Jesus. He said very clearly, they didn't murder me because I gave my life. Well, right.

That is correct. So, I mean, it looked like a murder. I understand because it was a set up shame. Well, and a lot, like, even when the passion came. This was going back to the original prediction, the seed of a woman with Christ Satan. That's right. So 5,000 or so years later, he says, yep, I'm here. Isaiah and him said, yeah.

Isaiah 53. He's going to be pierced. He's going to be buried. He can be raised in the 700 years before it happened. He comes on the scene and repeats to them often. Yeah, I'm going to die. I be buried and raised from the day. Like Isaiah said, you all remember that?

And everybody's like, whoa, whoa, here, wait a minute. And when you get right down to it, Al, they didn't believe it. Well, some of the discussions I had in Israel, borderline arguments, they didn't like that movie, the passion, because they were like, well, they're blaming us. You know, the Jews were said, well, blaming us. I was like, well, look, Jesus gave his life. He, he, it was his idea out of love.

And he told him how he would die. You were the vessel that led to a series of circumstance, because, you know, we were having discussion, because they were like, well, he was not the Messiah, and so it caused a discussion, because I just couldn't keep my mouth shut, you know, because our guide was like he would say comments like that. This is where they say Jesus died and was buried and resurrected. But, you know, I don't believe that ever even happened.

You know, that's what he was saying. I was like, well, you have me to, you said, you didn't have to throw that in there. Once you added the commentary. Okay, they said this is where he died and was buried and resurrect. Just in the sentence there. I'll make my own decision, but don't. So he would kind of laugh about it. But I do think it is a point that the overall factor is that he did give his life.

Because at any moment, he could have just, you know. Plus, he could have turned them to a gnat. After telling someone repeatedly, a little group, you were going to die, be buried, and raised from the dead. Well, you get to the end of Matthew, and they recorded Jesus dying, being buried and raised from the dead. You say, he did exactly what he said he would do. Then he'd get to Mark. Mark did the same thing.

You say, well, why repeat that four times? So you can't miss it. Right. You can't miss it. And he didn't need his disciples to protect him, which is why when Peter, you know, he cuts the guy's ear off, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you missed the point here. I don't need protect him.

He knew that's the reason he came. That's exactly right. And it was the moment. He knew it was the time for the whole. thing, which was interesting because what was it, First Peter that says he was led like a sheep to the slaughter? That's a good one. Because I think we should read that. A sheep before her shearers is silent. That's what, that's the quote. Yep. That it gave there in First Peter, which is pretty amazing. It says it says in First Peter, too, when they hurled their insults at him, he didn't

retaliate. First, it says he committed no sin, no deceit was found in his mouth. So he was innocent. By the way. And imperishable. By the way, he didn't say at any time. Y'all, I've got the wrong man here. No. They had the right man, but they just didn't realize what they were doing. Well, they had the wrong man for the crime. He didn't, if you're innocent, he didn't commit a crime. That's right. Which is why Pilate thought

he could wiggle out of it by having an obvious criminal here and say, okay, you know, we got clear picture here. Who do you want to set for? I'm going to set somebody free today. It was his way of getting out of it, he thought. And then they were like, goodness forever. I told my Jewish friend that day

when we had the discussion. I said, said, well, you're, but you're missing one thing. I said, there was no crime. He's like, well, I've never heard anybody from your face say that. I said, well, you don't have a body. I said, for there to be a murder, we've got to have a body. I said, the perfect crime is when you don't have a body. So if we went and tried to prove what you just said that y'all murdered him,

well, we wouldn't be able to prove it because we don't have a body. And the reason we don't have a body to be. to me, to you, that lets you off the hook, but it also puts me on a hook that I'm, I'm going to be resurrected. That's the hook you need to come join us. Because one day you're going to die, and we will see your body.

It might help him. His eyes get real big. Yeah, because he had never heard that one. He didn't know what to say. I wasn't really, I was kind of being funny about it because I thought, well, you can't prove it because there was no body. was no murder because there was no body there really was nobody that's right it wasn't just because

we hit it well that's right he came back i said so i think you forgave him and then i quoted what he's he said forgive him for what they do and then his body was resurrected so whatever you thought you did to him he actually came back so you're okay you're fine he made it right quit feeling bad about it i'm telling that guy's head was spinning because he thought well dang I was all mad about that movie, and now he let me out the hook. I said, you're good. The whole nation, go tell everybody. Let's make us some time.

You know, Jay, the one thing you accomplished on that trip is that guy never forgot you, because he probably hadn't been stumped like that and a lot of turks. He was stumped. He was stumped. Because he thought I was just making it from that when Jesus said, Father, forgive them. I said, but then he just let you off. Because he came back.

It was the right, I mean the wrong was righted. That was actually the best way to look at. Let's take our last part. Well, I wanted to read the end of that. He then said, he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree. This is First Peter 2, 24. So we might die to sins and live for righteousness. By his wounds you've been healed.

For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the shepherd. So it's the same concept as John Tien. Right. I wanted to hit two other points that came from the unbelief of the Jews in the next section just to kind of get us ready from moving forward. One of them is a lot of people don't understand what this verse means. I want to bring it up, John 1029. I mean, you probably noticed this about our podcast.

All the verses that everybody avoids, we just go ahead and read them and say, not that we have all the answers, and I may be wrong about this, but this seems to be a point of contention. But it says my father, who has given them to me, talking about the sheep, is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of my father's hand. I and the father won.

So people, there's been a lot of debate about what that means. No one can snatch them out of my hand. So what are you all, what's your initial take before I give you mind? hey it's eternal life for everyone who puts their faith in the gospel of Jesus who's going to snatch them out well i think the debate comes about because people say well can you fall away or what you know what's oh you can leave well yeah you can live i think that's about perspective since god is not

bound by time is a bad i don't even know how to describe him Right. He sees everything as is. That's why Jesus over and over says, I am, I am, I am, I am. So really, from his perspective, there's no falling away because everything just is. Right. Before, during, and after. Because he knows the end result.

As he knows. Right. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have. Because God has said, this adds a little credence to that verse. Never will I leave you. Never will I forsake you. The Lord's my helper. I will not be afraid.

What can man do to me? They can't snatch me out. He's not going to leave me ever. Because it's impossible for him to lie. And he said, oh, I'm going to save you and you have an anchor for your soul. I can't lie and I'll give you immortality. Yeah. It's yours.

I thought the same thing. And I'm not going anywhere. Romans 8.1, there's now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. When you're in the hand of God, you're in the hand of God. That's it. And so as far as it depends on him, you're always there. There is no snatch in a way. You can desert him, but he'll always be there.

And by the way, out, you could always come back. You can. So hold that thought for a second. So those of you are unashamed. We appreciate you guys. As always, we're out of time. But we'll have a little bit more bonus conversation for those of you that are subscribe. So we'll see you guys on Unashamed next time.

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