Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1316 | Breaking Down the Debate Around Modern Israel & God’s Chosen People

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Hot takes are everywhere, and in a culture driven by TikTok clips and instant opinions, it’s getting harder to tell the difference between confident voices and actual truth. Jase, Al, and Zach push back on the growing trend of soundbite theology, where complex biblical ideas are reduced to quick, oversimplified answers that often miss the bigger picture. Using current debates around Israel and broader theological disagreements, the guys highlight how easily people can present personal interpretations as absolute biblical truth. In this episode: 1 John 5, verse 13; 1 John 5, verse 20; Romans 11, verse 26; John 14, verse 6; Galatians 3, verse 28; Hebrews 12, verses 1–2; Hebrews 12, verses 22–24; Hebrews 3, verse 1; 1 Peter 2, verse 9; Revelation 1, verse 6; Revelation 5, verse 10; Exodus 19, verse 6; Romans 1, verses 16–17 “Unashamed” Episode 1316 is sponsored by: https://www.covesmart.com/unashamed — Use code UNASHAMED at checkout for up to 70% off your first order! https://unashamedgold.com — Get a free 2026 Gold & Silver Guide and a no obligation consultation!  https://texassuperfood.com — Get 35% off your first order when you use code Unashamed. Text UNASHAMED to 64000 and get a FREE pocket pivot and 10-pattern sprayer with the purchase of ANY size Copper Head hose! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 The Most Common Phrase We All Say 10:30 Why “I Don’t Know” Says So Much About Us 14:45 Calling Out Theological Manipulation  21:30 The Danger of “Just Do What the Bible Says” 27:10 We’re Amusing Ourselves to Death 38:40 Tension & Theology Collide in Israel 47:20 Can You Actually Know You Have Eternal Life? 52:30 Absolute Certainty & What It Means to Know Jesus — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We got a little earlier start time today to accommodate Zach's grueling schedule. Zach's a man of many meetings, Jason. Yeah, higher up, you know, he's doing a lot. He's spent a lot of place. But I appreciate that, Zach. It's usually the benefit of your, yeah, we're usually the benefit of your, all of your, all of your, all of your, level things you do. No, I'm one of the plate. I don't know about that. I would probably argue, I'd probably argue you've changed the schedule more than I've

changed the schedule, Jason. One of your employees, he was spinning that plate to me this morning, and I shattered that plate. So I'm sure that meeting will come later on the day. Oh, boy. That plate hadn't even got to yet. I don't even know about that point. It'll be fun for you later in the day.

You're going to be, you probably'll never hear about it because it was such a shattering. But it wasn't, was it Maddie? No, it wasn't Maddie. No, okay. No, they're from North Carolina. I'm sure they're in close proximity to you. Okay. Yeah.

So I took care of that. I think by now, Zach, we've made Jay's a plastic plate because he keeps spinning off and hitting the floor so often. Oh, I love that, Al. I love that. Now I will hear about it because I'm going to ask the team, who got crushed today? We've started the podcast with intrigue and mystery. That's exactly that. Well, Jay's, you were a couple of minutes late to the party, but you told us why.

So you got a pass because. Yeah, I'll tell you that story. Because you think we're in America, we're free. I actually listened to a sermon about freedom last night from your friend. Zach John Tyson, who I've never met, but I wanted to have a podcast. Well, I've only met him once, so I always say we're close friends. We've only met one, maybe twice. But he's friends with my brother, Willie.

And so they've just done events together. But anyway, and so here I am, and I had this idea for the podcast today. I was actually, I read your note, Al. And for all of your listeners out there, don't think, despite the amount of podcasts that we do, that these notes are very long. When I say notes, it's probably a 60-second read, 90 seconds. So we're flying.

It's outlined for you. We're flying by the sea of our pants. But you had this interesting thing about the word no being used in the text that we're going to read. We're at the end of First John 5. But I wanted to have a little game because I had a discovery.

I had a light bulb while reading your notes, light bulb moment. But then the reason I'm late, actually, it's like once you have an idea, or you have a revelation or you come across some knowledge that you weren't aware of, it's weird how then you're seeing that

all over the place. And so I'll start this off with a little game for I tell you this story. I have a game for us today. Okay. This is, we're going to test your, Because, Zach, you're the smartest one of the bunch intellectually, so you should be able to participate well. I like how he frames that intellectually.

That means there may be some other areas where... Well, look, I'm honest about who I am. Like, any time my family gets together, most of the games we play are, like, trivial pursuit. And they, nobody wants to be on my team. because I just don't know a lot. I mean, especially when it comes to trivial matters. I'm not the best at that either. Al, you're very good.

I'm very good at it. I don't retain knowledge like that, believe it or not. All right, well, here's the game. Here's the game. So, what is the most common three-word English-word? conversational phrase that there is. All the humans that speak English

what is the most common three word English, Zach, do not look that up. Keep your fingers. I was about to do it. He was, he was, I saw his fingers twitching, Jay.

Here's what I'll say. Right off the cuff, I'm going to say, I love you. I love you three words I love you I love you all I would say more I was trying to figure out of frame what I'm thinking

into three words I mean do you think you know or are you just guessing no I'm just guessing I would say something like what in the world mine is more it's people questioning something that's happening right now you're disqualified because that's actually four

what in the world I couldn't frame it in three words. Yeah, you are. Well, the correct answer. Or tell me why, maybe is what I would get. The correct answer, which is what you should have said if you were a person of truth, is I don't know. No, that's pretty good. Oh, I don't know.

Yeah. But see, if you would have said, I don't know, that would have been correct in two. different ways. I got you. Well, I just looked it up. I didn't read that in a book. I just looked up. I just looked it up.

It says here that the most common three words sequence is this. You didn't listen to the question. You didn't let English conversational three words. I'll give you the top ten. I have it somewhere on there. Because I knew this was going to go here. That's why I was very specific. I was in the neighborhood.

I didn't put it together. I don't know. But that's, it was, that was the mindset I was. That's why I was saying. Okay. I mean, like, why did this happen? I don't know. Some of the, one of these are, it's funny.

Number 10, you know what? Yeah, we say, you know what? Yeah. That's good. Top 10 is number 10. The rest of them are like one of the, you know, you'll start a conversation. One of the things. Yeah.

Yeah. One of the best things about... And I think that's number eight. It was a typically used when telling stories. So it was a... And there you go. I mean, that's number six. I mean, I...

Doing everything. I mean, I can't help it. You know, I mean, do you want is number five. Bill of Snow, ma'am. I don't think it's number four I thought that should have been number one I don't think what was that I don't say I just man

Humans just don't do a lot of good thinking Three a lot of you people A lot of you people I like a lot Yeah I think that is number two And number one I don't know

Isn't that fascinating that our number one English phrase in conversations is, I don't know. So you see why this was so profound to me. And I ran across this just randomly because I asked AI something because I was doing a rabbit hole about, because there's two different Greek words for knowing. And it was really hard for me to wrap my head around what those two things

translated into English, even though when you read in your Bible, it just says no, K-N-O-W. But they mean two totally different things. So it was hard for me to wrap my head around. So while I was doing all the research, AI said the most common phrase

in English conversations is I don't know. And I was like, are you making a joke here? Am I having a, did a robot just tell me a joke? and so that's why I came up with that question. But the reason I was saying that that knowledge that we don't know, because we use that phrase more than any other, I was coming here and there was an 18-wheeler that had a load of sod, and it was trying to get to someone's yard.

but these two guys this one of the guys gets out well he stops traffic and i thought i just heard this lesson on freedom and i thought you know america we're free home of home of the free here and the brave but he he obviously had never directed traffic and it was a full shutdown for 10 minutes because he was trying to go one by one, and I was thinking, no. I've seen people direct traffic. Let everybody go, hold that line up, then let that line go. But if you try to do it one at a time, well, everybody's confused. Because they start to go, and then they stop, and then they almost have a wreck,

and then he's looking, and then he's angry, because you're not listening to him, but you're signs. Who are you? You have no training? You're putting grass in a yard. So I could tell from all the passengers, everybody was getting frustrated, which I was at first, and then I thought,

three famous words. He just doesn't know. He doesn't know. He don't know. And so then it became comical. So taking care of the family and the home, it's a responsibility that we all take serious, Since why we are loving Cove, I just got with these guys.

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If you're from the South, yeah. From the South, that's another used phrase, bless his heart, because that just means, oh, he don't know. I will say this. That means you're, he's an idiot. That's like an aggressive. That's a redneck interpretation. Yeah.

But, Zach, I was fascinated that you said, I love you because I had the same thought. I was a little disappointed that I love you did make the top ten. Because what we're pursuing in this knowing God and him knowing us and being included into this relationship of God, which is complex to wrap your head around, is about being in this eternal love, this self-giving love. And so that's what Bill Smith used to say one of the things he taught me and taught in his material. He said the nine hardest words to say are, I love you.

I was wrong. And please forgive me. Or I am sorry. He included that in there as well. I guess if you wanted to do 12. But in other words, the idea of expressing love, but expressing remorse and the need for forgiveness, whether that's to another person or to God, you know, or to somebody, you know, that was what he always taught, which I thought was pretty good. I used that a lot of my marriage.

Well, I will say this. The reason I think I was so shocked, I'm fixing to get on my soapbox, is that that was the number one phrase because I guarantee you that that is not the number one phrase from pastors, teachers, and people who studied the Bible. That's why we're so shocked. Because you, I was telling Missy this morning, you know, here's what happens. We, we, here we are having a conversation about the Bible. We're studying. And I'll give you this public service announcement. I am positive from the amount of talking that I do and studying the Bible and pontificating on said subjects.

I'm obviously wrong on several points. the way. But I think I'm right, or I'm giving my opinion, or we're having a conversation. What I don't like, and this is kind of my soapbought, what I don't like is like we did a couple of podcasts talking about the current events, you know, between Iran and Israel, because you have a lot of people under the umbrella of following Jesus that have all these takes on these current events. So remember when we did a couple of events about that? Yeah. Well, we do a podcast about it.

We're just having a conversation. But then I leave this room, and then my friends or acquaintances listen to the podcast. And so then they send me text saying, well, you're wrong on this, you know, and send me various articles. So what I'm going to say about one of the things that was a preacher, who, look, I've, I've, was aware of, and had used some of his ideas and find him likable, and he has a podcast, and I think it's probably more popular than ours, but he sent me a clip from it. What I didn't like, and what I want to kind of go with this, I don't know thing, is I don't like forms of manipulation, because like the heading on the little talk that he gave, because

it was all about Israel and it was his take, you know, which was a different take. than what we discussed. But what I didn't like was what's happening all in Israel. How about let's just do what the Bible says? So before I've even clicked on it, he set a foundation, which sounds great. Would you agree? Let's just do what the Bible says.

Let's go to what the Bible says. That's what he said. That's what the caption was before I clicked on the video. The events of Israel. Why don't we just do what the Bible says? Okay. Well, that sounds great. And I've heard many preachers say that.

We just, well, how about let's just read the Bible and do what it says? But I'm going to argue that that's a form of manipulation because then when I watched the video, he got into what is it Romans 9 or Romans 11 where it talks about then all Israel will be saved I think it's Romans 9 I can look it up real quick

so which is a very I mean I would just 11 26 yeah Romans 11 26 let me just say this when you're studying Romans when I when I get to Romans 9 in Romans 11, I'm like, okay, this is a little deep. And the number one reason it is is because I'm not Jewish.

He's addressing whatever's happening there from a Jewish perspective. I don't want to get into that because we've done podcasts about that before. But my whole point was for bringing this up is even though I agreed with mostly what he said, because his answer was, is what's happening to Israel as God's chosen people? He asked the question, is that, are they God's chosen people? I think what's the question is? And should that concern us, like in this war, like modern day, should we? Yeah, and to give a little reference to that is, that is part of the argument, particularly in Washington.

He said, well, this is this the church argument? Well, not really, because you have in, you have senators like Ted Cruz, you have the ambassador to the UN. I'm sorry, not to the UN. What is, what is, how could be? He's an ambassador to Israel. Yeah, Ambassador to Israel. So they hold to this eschatology, and this is part of what is guiding foreign policy. So it is, I think, an important question we should ask.

You're right. It is. And we talked about it. And I'm not even dealing with the substance. I'm just dealing with the way this argument was formed. So is everybody clear on that? My whole take on it was, why don't we do what the Bible says? And then you go to a passage, Romans 11,

that's kind of hard to wrap your head around in modern day. Would we all agree with that? Now, I know what I think about it, and we've talked about it on prior podcast. But here's what I wanted to say. So when he asked a question, are they God's chosen people and should that affect us? Well, his answer was yes and no. That was the answer.

And then he gave his explanation. And look, I'm going to be honest. I agreed mostly with what he said. So when he got to the end, he did this. He read the one day Israel will all be saved. And the part I agree with, he said, you know, you've got to remember in this context, based on what Jesus had done and is doing, we as non-Jewish people who follow Christ have become the New Israel. And I like that.

It's like the, think of the phrase where it says, the heavenly Jerusalem, where the heavenly Jerusalem. It's like there's no Jew or Greek, which is all over the New Testament. We're all under the umbrella of Christ. So that was his point. And look, I agree. Then he said the yes part then, and then he got into what Zach just said, the eschatology. And then he went off into something that I didn't agree with, which is one day we're all going to Israel and gathered up when Jesus comes back. And that kind of thinking.

And so, but here's my take. he was saying, let's just do what the Bible says. He read a verse, but then he kind of gave his take on it. And he was 100% sure he was right. And on that one aspect, I was 100% sure that he's dead wrong. So you say, well, which is it? Well, be careful when you approach the Bible with those kind of statements. because during that dissertation, you're now kind of giving your take on said Bible verse.

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I mean, there's like all these different arguments. You get old earth versus young earth. You know, like global flood versus regional flood. Six literal days of creation or seven literal days of creation or are these errors in bands of time. There's all these different arguments. Historical Adam versus, you know, more of a story. And you argue these things. And everybody thinks that their position is, I'm just reading the Bible for what it says. For example, Romans 9 is a prime example. If you talk to a hardcore Calvinist, they're going to say, just read Romans 9 for what it says. And then you talk to someone

who's an Armenian, they're going to say, just read Romans 9 for what it says. So I think there is a humility, we have to come into the discussion. We are interpreting the Bible in a certain way. And I think that's why the term hermeneutic is so important. Just admit, what is your hermeneutic? What is the method through which you are interpreting the scripture? And then go into it with a little bit more of a, I think this is true. Like Phil used to say in this, oh, he had a book.

What was the book called he wrote? I could be wrong. It could be wrong. But I doubt it. But I doubt. You still say you doubt it. Well, because you're confident. Yeah, you want to be confident and you're on this journey of, I mean, the Bible is a big book.

But ultimately, it is about a person that we are invited to be a part of that's eternal. And so I tend to think of it as a focus, all this other stuff that comes up under the umbrella of, you know, what we call Christianity with all the different doctrines. because people, they feel strongly about that. And if you disagree, they're like, well, I'm doing what the Bible says. And I'm like, well, me too. So we can agree on that. So when that answer to that is, nope, nope, well, that's where all the problems come. I think I've shared this before, though, another form of manipulation, and I've heard this several times,

if a preacher ever gets up and says, your heart is not ready for what I'm fixing to say, it's a form of manipulation because if you don't agree with whatever he said, you don't even know what he said yet. Yeah. Then he's like, well, your heart's not right. But when I had that experience, when I had that experience, I thought, how does he know my heart? Because I get up and speak and I thought, why would you start a sermon off?

I wasn't sure the first time I had this experience. Well, then I heard the sermon, and guess what? I didn't agree with what was being said. But I thought, but if I say something, he's going to say, well, that's because your heart is not right. You see what I mean? Well, yeah, I think, too, even the, there's a book, an old book called, this by the guy named Neil Postman, and it's called Amusing Ourselves to Death. It was written, I think back in the Reagan era. But it's essentially critiquing the way that we get information.

And he has a saying, I think it's something like the medium is the message in the end. So we think that, oh, we're going to come out. And by the way, I'll just say this, full disclosure, this is something that I struggle with as someone who runs a media company. I think about this a lot. That is the method through which we're getting the content out there, does that actually become the actual message? And this point is you've got to be careful with it because what we're doing is we're amusing ourselves to death.

This was before the 24-hour news cycle. This was, he wrote all this before. TikTok culture before all this before just the content, you know, before AI. And I think that a lot of times even like the way we're doing content now is that everybody wants, this is the audience. I actually cautioned the audience, our audience. this. Everybody wants the Cliff Note version. That's what we want. I don't want to have to go through and do the hard yard of actually sitting in the entire text of the Bible into what I would call, and many others have called biblical theology. Like that's a lot more work on my part because now

I've got to sit in these stories. I've got to understand more context. I'd rather go to a pastor and say, give me a literally like a 30 second. Maybe I could probably handle 90, seconds. Give me the clip in 90 seconds that answers the question, is Israel God's chosen people? Just give me that in 90 seconds. Some of these things can't be answered with cliff notes. And some of these things can't be answered in sound bites. And some of these things can't be answered in this way. So I think a lot of the problem, Jay, says that on one end, the algorithms are built to reward very snippet type of content. And then, and then, um, our brains are actually wired for the dopamine hit.

And so you've got two things going on here. We want the dopamine hit. I want the 60-second, 30-second clip because I don't want to sit down and read a book. I mean, that's just way too long. That's way too much information. I don't want to read through Leviticus. You know, when they're talking about the Levitical Priesthood in the book of Hebrews, man, I don't want to go back in the research.

What is the Levitical Preachshut? What does that even mean? Like, that's just a lot more word. Just give me the cliff notes. So I think that it's hard in a lot of these questions to even answer them because there's so much, at least the position that we hold. And we don't agree on everything with eschatology, but I will say that the position that we hold, you're not going to get the answer from just one text in the Bible. It's looking at it as a broad hole. And I don't fully even know where I stand on.

like you start looking into eschatology and you you'll hear terms like pre-millennialism, post-millennialism, ah-millennialism, dispensationalism, prederism, full prederism, partial preterism. I mean, you start going down the list and you're like the tribulation, the millennial, right? And you're like, wait, what, what are you? And I'm like, I don't fully know if you can, I can put it in like a category because I don't even fully understand all the categories. You know what I mean?

But Zach, you described a broad cultural movement. to the snippet. And I think you're spot on and the cable news and everything that goes with that. And I would say part of the response to that because these things happen in culture and they rise up because the Holy Spirit's at work and the believers. I think that's why this long format that we're doing, the podcast is a perfect example of slowing it back down to a discussion, to a Bible study. when someone is going for four years to an early morning Bible study, they're committing to that long form you're talking about. So I do think there's pushback even in culture,

and you'll see the rise in popularity of things and say, well, wait a minute, we can't get everything in 90 seconds. I mean, that doesn't make sense. And to be fair, that clip, I saw the same clip, and I believe that was part of a broader podcast. Oh, I'm sure it was. And that's why I wasn't throwing the guy under the bus. I was just making the analogy, and I think you really did a good job of explaining how all these social media algorithms work.

And it's like, but, you know, here's me. I'm thinking, you know, the most common phrases I don't know. I think I know, which was one of the other top tens. I think I got this right. but it's more difficult because I see how it works you're like well we're the heavenly Jerusalem well there's a narrative out there that the only time heaven is experienced is when Jesus comes back that's what a lot of people believe that's what I believe for the first 25 years of my life I will never know anything about heaven until Jesus comes back then I started reading the Bible

I'm doing that as a callback on what we said, you know. And I'm like, well, it seems like heaven came down here a lot in the Bible, the heavenly. You know, Jesus himself said, I came from heaven like a dozen times just in one chapter in John. That's in six. I'm coming from heaven. The Holy Spirit, where did it come from? Heaven. Remember it was, I'm poured out the Holy Spirit on you.

And so even God in the garden at the beginning, heaven and earth seems to be trying to unite. And we've talked about that many times. But if my only narrative was about heaven, that's a place I go later, then I see why when you say we're the heavenly Jerusalem, people are like, well, we haven't experienced that. So evidently at some point, we're going to have to go over to Jerusalem. So then we can then go to heaven. So it's really difficult to know who to trust when it comes to your health

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What way? like in this way all Israel will be saved anyone that would say that just because i mean think about this it's so antithet that well wasn't there a famous person the most famous human ever that said he was the way oh yeah that's good yeah and i think that's and you know what to your point because i would think i mean typically if someone if you're in this argument about israel being god's chosen people then the question is well who israel i mean that's kind of the question Tucker Carlson's been asking, which has kind of created a lot of the firestorm around this recently and the fact that what we're in a war right now. So you go to a verse like this.

In this way, all Israel will be saved. What way is that you mentioned the way, which would be Jesus. I am the way, the truth in the life, and nobody comes to the Father except for me. That seems to be in line with Galatians, Chapter 3, which is in Christ, in Christ, there's either Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free, male, nor female. You are all one in Christ Jesus. So to me, in this way, we're all one in Christ Jesus. I actually think the argument of Romans 9 through 11 is more of God's covenant that he's bringing the Gentiles into the covenant. And so he's making two people, one people.

I mean, Paul says this explicitly in Ephesians. He's taken the wall of hostility. And what's he done? He's ripped it away. There is no wall of hostility anymore between Jew and Gentile. all one in Christ. But is that now or later? Well, it's now. That's the whole point.

Well, it's now and later is my point. It is. Yeah. Yeah, but the oneness is now, and I mean, we're going to be one later too, but this was accomplished in Christ. I mean, this is the whole point of the book of Hebrews. If this is where I would always go to, I actually wouldn't even go to a lot of these passages that people go to in this debate. Where I go to is the book of Hebrews. Because Hebrews is very clear. And the way that the whole Hebrose is, Hebrew writer is structuring his argument is it's almost as if he's trying to bring Judaism into a crisis of faith.

Do you realize that your priesthood? There's this argument that he gives. He says, if perfection could have come through the Levittical priesthood, and what the Levitical priesthood is, it's the priest who would have to come from the tribe of Levi. If you're Jewish, your priest cannot come from any other tribe than the tribe of Levi. And we know this because if you go back and read Ezra chapter 2 and Nehemiah chapter 7, there's this story after the first temple was destroyed. And then you remember Cyrus, the king of Persia, was like,

okay, we're going to build a new temple for you guys. So they're in this construction of the new temple. And they're bringing back in the priesthood. And to order to establish this Levitical priesthood again, they had to trace their genealogy and prove that they were from the tribe of Levi. They had to be, not just Levi, Aaron. They had to be descendants of Aaron, or you cannot be a priest. And so in Ezra chapter 2 and the same story I think is repeated in Nehemiah 7,

you have an instance where a particular group of people could not, they couldn't prove their genealogy. They couldn't, it wasn't in the records. They couldn't produce the papers. They couldn't produce the record of their lineage. And you know what the Bible says? They didn't say, oh, this come on in, we know who you are. It says that they were actually excluded from the priesthood,

and they were counted as unclean because that's the law. So just think about that. And then you think about, well, where is the Levitical priesthood? Where's the record of that now? When was the last time we had any record of that? Well, that would be in 80-70. When the temple burned, guess what burned with the temple? All of the records were destroyed.

And so when you get to like a passage like Hebrews, which was written before this even happened, he's showing that the Levitical priesthood was never. the end of all this. In fact, he says, if perfection could have come through the Libytical priesthood, then why in the world did the psalmist write in Psalm 110 that God is going to establish a new priesthood in a different order that doesn't come from the tribe of Aaron? He says, it's going to come from a different person. Well, who? So I'm not going to God named Mount Cazadec. What does that mean? There's going to be a new priestly order. Christ will be a priest established in the order of Malkesda. Christ came from the tribe of Judah. And so, and then it goes on to make the

argument, well, if the priesthood is insufficient, you got to ask the question, what about the law? Right? If the priest, yep, and the Hebrew writer makes the same point. Yeah, the law wasn't going to do it either. What about the temple? Yep, the temple, not enough. What about the sacrifice? Yeah, and the sacrifice wasn't enough. So you start to see this whole thing center in Christ. And so when we try to create these other views, to me, it is a big issue when you go into scripture and you're trying to figure out, okay, you got this whole Christ as the answer thing right here. Christ is the center of everything. He's a fulfillment of all of it, not a replacement, a fulfillment of all of it. But then there's also this other little thing over here that he's doing.

I'm like, no, it's all under Christ. All of it. There's not a separate salvation plan. There's not a separate people. There's not a separate anything. It's just Christ and Christ alone. And I mean, to me, that, to me, that's what the scripture says. But you can see, even in my position on that, I mean, I've pulled from a lot of different places.

I didn't get that from like one little snippet. Well, but your take on Hebrews, which I thought was excellent, you know, when he gets to the end in chapter 12 and says, let us fix our eyes on Jesus, 12, 2, which is a very profound statement. Because earlier in chapter three, when he said, let's fix our thoughts on Jesus. You know, in chapter one, he's like, in the past, I spoke, God spoke in various ways. But now he is spoken to us through his son. So it's like God is speaking to us through his son. We should fix our thoughts on his son. We should fix our eyes on his son.

and then he gets to the end of chapter 12 and he says to his audience in verse, because I want to read this, I think it goes along with what we're saying, but you have come to Mount Zion. Well, if you just stop right there, has any of y'all been on Mount Zion? I haven't.

Well, you better get there. So that's what people are thinking, see? Yeah. All of a sudden, we read that and people are we going to listen to the Bible or at some point we're going to Mount Zion but he said but you have come to Mount Zion to the heavenly Jerusalem what's he talking about you see yeah so so people people read that and they're like well that's that's over in Israel the city of the living God but if you just keep reading

you have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly to the church of the firstborn. Well, who's the first born? That'd be Jesus. Well, is it in Mount Zion? Or is it in heaven? You see, that's, so I think it's a fulfillment, it's a story. Yes, Israel was God's chosen nation. You have numerous books,

but it's not a detachment from that bringing Jesus, which is God in human form, to establish this kingdom, which is that's where he goes on to talk about, the kingdom and this church, in joyful assembly, and to names written in heaven. You've come to God,

judge of all men. I mean, this thing goes, it goes into who you're with now, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkle blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel, because remember Abel, his life was taken, his blood was crying out from the ground, same blood that we were talking about in First John, which is a symbol of life, but Jesus's blood speaks a better, better word. Because Abel was killed by King, but Jesus gave up his life so that people would not be condemned because, you know, remember what happened to King.

So then he goes into verse 28, since we are receiving a kingdom, we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken. What kingdom is he talking about? Is kingdom? Is this all a future occurrence? Or, you know, to me, because people will say, even in that clip that we're discussing, it's like one day we'll be kings and priests, you know, and we'll reign with God.

Well, if you have the Holy Spirit, wouldn't you be a part of that now? I mean, that's what Peter says, right, that we are a holy priesthood, a chosen race. I mean, think about that. Even think about Peter's argument, as I've mentioned that, in 1st Peter 2, we are a chosen race. What race are we? I mean, think about what he's saying. Who's he talking to? He's talking about the Christian body is a chosen race.

So what is the chosen race? What is the Jesus race? It's the Jesus race. And it's the priesthood of believers. This is interesting because when you get to 1st Peter 2, what is he referencing? there. And not just also in Revelation 1 and in Revelation chapter 5, he says

this. He mentions gives a nod back to Exodus 19, which I'm trying to think of this, that God says, I'm going to build you, speaking to Israel. This is ethnic Israel. I'm going to build you into a

nation of priest, a kingdom of priest. That's what he calls it. A kingdom of priest. He says he's going to do that. Then when you go and you get to the New Testament and you go to somewhere like what Peter said in first Peter chapter two you are a kingdom of pre you are a nation you are a chosen race you are a royal priesthood and then in Revelation one I don't know the exact verse and in Revelation 5 he calls the church the kingdom of priest and so to try to separate out this whole thing I think

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If you don't know, we actually stole that from the scripture, right? From Romans chapter 1 when he says, I'm not... Borrowed. Borrowed is a better word. We borrowed it from the scripture. I like that better. that we didn't come up with as my point, that I'm not ashamed of the gospel. Why? Because it is the power of God.

It's the power of salvation for everyone who believes, first for who? The Jew, ethnic Jew, then for the Gentile. So if you look at the way eschatology unfolds, if you look at the way God's plan unfolds, yet God did, he did bring salvation first to the Jews. Israel was initially in Genesis chapter 12 after the Tower of Babel, God pulls the nation of Israel out for his portion.

That is his people. But go back and read all of the prophecies, all of the instruction. What was the purpose? The purpose of Israel was to draw the nations in to worship the one's your God. That's Isaiah chapter 2. That's the picture of Isaiah chapter 2. And their eventual purpose was to bring Jesus, through that nation, which is the ultimate human.

That was the purpose. Well, then what is the purpose for God coming to earth? What was his purpose? So that all may be saved, no matter where you're from. I mean, it's a real clever plan, but if you start detaching it from the entire plan, this is, I think, where we get into all these things that we don't know, that we claim to know.

Well, I didn't have the intent to go down that. I didn't want to address the actual issue, but we did. But my whole point was in 1st John 513, this whole section, it starts off saying, I write these things. So we've been studying this for months. And then he just comes out and says, I write these things to you who believe in the name of the son of God, which is Jesus, so that you may know you have eternal life.

I mean, that's quite a statement. Because here you are thinking, do you know that you have eternal life? Well, I hope I do, but he used this word, no. And when you kind of go down the Greek rabbit hole and what that meant, it uses a raising the definition that really stopped me in my tracks, which was absolute certainty. Absolute certainty. And you're like, well, man, I can know this. And so you had a little part in your notes, which I was trying to get to 40 minutes ago,

which is in verse 20, which I'm saying, because we're going to discuss this in the next bike. I guess, because we're almost at a time. But it says, we know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding that we may know him who is true. And so you had a little statement in there, it's who you know. Yeah. And I do think that the answer for my little riddle, the game, played on the most common phrase, I don't know, says a lot about humans.

Even though we may come across like we know, there's a lot of things we just don't know. There's a lot of things we think we know. And on the next podcast, there was a famous speech given about knowing by the, I think, the secretary, they called it defense back then, Secretary of War, Donald Rumsfeld, which I want to read. But the answer, I think, to the equation for the day, it is ultimately about who you know, which produces the knowledge that you have eternal life.

But it's not just a, it's an absolute certainty, which I find fascinating. It's like once you hear the story of Jesus and you realize, oh, this is not just, a story. This is an actual being that is alive presently. He's a creator of the universe and he came to Earth. And basically John's take is we saw this person.

That's why it's all a courtroom setting. We know that God came in a human body, which is this whole reason for writing this sermon. We saw him. This is an absolute certainty, and you can be a part of this. I just find it fascinating that it's a story based on eyewitnesses that they're saying, once you participate in this, even without you being where we were, you will know that you have eternal life.

absolute certainty. Which really becomes the biggest point, I think, of this whole letter, this whole sermon that John has done. And it's an odd way from our perspective sometimes because of how we study scripture that how he got to this point because it was so circular. But he just keeps coming back to that, Jason. Oh, I know. He does.

And I'm going to be honest. I don't know everything I need to know about the definition. of this word, because I have all this listed, and I want to go where he used it in John the first time. He used that word because it's heavy to wrap your head around, because even Jesus himself used the two different words for no in one sentence. And I want to read that. Because it, I mean, you're like, I'm not smart enough to understand what he,

how he's using this. I mean, and it's so thought-provoking. I think it's worth a journey there, but I think this was good just to introduce this idea of how heavy this is. And the ultimate goal is so joyous and exciting that you can take letters from a page from a book that we have and have full assurance

that you're going to live forever. Are you kidding me? that's what you're proposing here? Yes. All right, so we'll pick up what we know and what we don't know on the next Unashamed podcast. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast.

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