Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1342 | Uncle Si Gets Real about the Scariest Verse in the Bible & Miss Kay’s Iconic Faith Moment

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Uncle Si joins Al and Jase for a conversation about empty religion, missing Jesus, and the scariest verse in the Bible. The guys reflect on Josh Taylor, a grieving father whose powerful faith after the loss of his wife, Aly, shocked and humbled them. Al revisits Miss Kay’s stunning forgiveness after Phyllis came into the family and the first words Phil spoke to his daughter when they finally met. Si recounts a meaningful encounter involving a stranger whose faith story came full circle. If you missed Josh’s powerful story, check it out at: https://youtu.be/3Tmok111I6w?si=ESgeUlfLEK6Lza3n In this episode: John 11; 1 John 2, verses 3–27; 1 John 3, verses 23–24; John 15; John 14; John 5, verses 37–40; John 6, verses 44–47; John 7, verses 37–39; Galatians 5, verse 19; Jeremiah 2; Jeremiah 3; Luke 15; Psalm 70; Matthew 7, verse 23 “Unashamed” Episode 1342 is sponsored by: Text UNASHAMED to 64000 for your 2 free gifts with the purchase of any Pocket Hose Ballistic hose. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code UNASHAMED at https://www.oneskin.co/unashamed #oneskinpod https://rocketmoney.com/unashamed — Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster! https://ruffgreens.com — Get a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your dog today when you use promo code Unashamed! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Chapters 00:00 Al Prayed for Phil to Go Home to the Lord 08:05 Jay Stone Gets Teary-Eyed?? 13:23 Al’s Mother’s Day Sermon Hits Close to Home 18:00 Miss Kay’s First Words About Phyllis 24:49 Last Bite at the Apple of 1 John 32:05 Uncle Si Rejects Empty Religion 41:20 False Idols & Streams of Living Water 47:15 Lisa’s Aha Moment & the Power of Redemption — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I mentioned the last podcast that I had double booked Josh and Si, but thankfully, Si, was able to do both. That was great, Sire. Oh, I'm glad you were here, Sire. You cut the tension. That was one of the more difficult podcasts that been a part of it. Yeah, and we said it in the podcast that Josh had asked, but we were worried. because we just didn't know. We know the grieving process, but, you know, obviously what he shared was very powerful. Oh, yeah.

I've never felt too small, I thought. Yeah. Because there's just, I mean, I feel like, you know, we've all experienced death in some sort of family and loved ones. Well, my wife is kind of a no-go in my mind. I'm like, please, Lord, no. Yeah. You know. We don't want any of it.

I don't even want to think about that. And, you know, here's a guy, man, has a beautiful Christ-loving wife. And then two weeks, you know, after you put her in the ground, he's being that articulate and passionate about the Lord. And he's got four young daughters. It was very powerful. I love that he said the guy has been preparing him 20 years for this moment. And that's such a great way to look at it. because you don't know when you're going to face the moment,

whether it's for yourself or your spouse or one of your kids or something else, but to know that God has been preparing you for whatever you've got to face. Well, when you get like my age, okay, it's looming near. Oh, yeah. You're at that age. So I'm thinking about it quite often. Yeah. Well, it's like even with your brother, our dad,

it's so weird because I think one of the hardest things to deal with, just mainly as a frustration level, was all the people coming up after he died, you know, saying so sorry. But I was like, no, well, don't be sorry. I mean, because for us, we had reached a point where we know he's in the hands of God, and he was really suffering. He was, it was miserable for him just to exist.

And I, you know, it was hard to have that conversation with people because they're just wanting to say something. And I'd rather be. I don't know if I ever told this story. but there was a woman that was helping, like, sit when mom was in the hospital. And during this era, we were going through this. And so I prayed with mom because we were praying about dad. And, you know, I had been openly praying for God to take him.

Because when he got to the end, I mean, I just felt like being here longer was not helpful for him or us. Well, he didn't have no quality of life. He didn't. And so I had been praying that prayer and prayed it again. with mom, but in a way with mom, because she's saying goodbye to her 60-plus-year soulmate. And so, you know, I was trying to do that sensitively. But this person followed me out in the hall and sort of rebuke me for that prayer because, you know, she had said, you know, Moses lived to be 120 years old. And she had this whole speech she gave me.

And I got to admit, the first it made me mad at first because I just thought, you know, you're telling him, I'm his son. like to tell me what I can and can't pray for but I didn't like you know she was doing it in the right you know she just was thinking no I thought I was the only one that done that no no no because I was praying hey I said hi he's ready

he's ready to come home I've been praying it and so anyway I told her I said look we have a different way of looking at this I can respect your what you're saying I said but you got to understand something the thought of my dad living 40 you threw out 120 years I said the thought of my dad living the ways

living right now for 40 more years is the most miserable thing I could ever imagine. Right. And even this guy, look, I was, because I don't want you to misunderstand, I felt just like an idiot listening to this guy. Josh, I mean, because he, just the faith that poured out of him in Jesus. And when I asked him about, why are you doing this two weeks after, and he's like, because I don't want people to miss what we have. The reason I can move on. It is the greatest. It is the greatest. thing ever. Don't miss it. I'm filled with that passion. Did you hear what he said? He said, and there'll be people listening that will be two weeks into whatever they're dealing with.

And I want them to hear what I have to say. I need to work on my faith after that ain't done. Josh is not a big man. He's small and stature. He and Allie were both like tiny people. But man, what he lacks in being a big, huge man is a big huge faith. Warrior. Just warrior. Yeah. So, Sides, so here's what's interesting. So we have the podcast. We say goodbye to Josh. Jason and I, of course, and we're at the age,

side where we have to go to the bathroom in between every podcast, so that's where we are. And so we're heading to the bathroom, thinking we're just going to rush right back in, and we run into a group of people standing in the hall, and it was a couple of guys that Jay had brought,

and he had met these guys in Arkansas, just by totally happenstance. And Jay was tearing up. I didn't see Jay that, me. Oh, look. Jay's about one minute in this story, and he tears up. Now, anybody that doesn't know Jay, Phil used to describe him as one grumpy man. But for him to start getting kind of teared up, I thought, oh, no.

I was like, look. And I had to interrupt this pipe, I said, I just left the heaviest conversation that I've had in years. I'm not sure I'm ready for another one. But Jay said, well, I'm going to give you one. And so he wasn't going to go with that. But anyway, the man, there were two men there, but one of them that was with him, told a short version of a story where you and Jay were in Arkansas,

which y'all were there hunting. And Jay said he just felt compelled. He saw this kid standing there. And he said, you know, I just felt compelled to roll down size window and you say something to this kid because he just knew that kid was going to see you. He had a duck on his hand.

Oh, that's what it was. Okay. Yeah, they had been duck hunting. They were in Arkansas. So there was a little bit of, they, you can tell when you're recognized. Right. Because basically at this stage of your life, your head's on a swivel, not because it's purposeful. It just, somebody's watching you a lot.

And you always want to make sure they don't have bad intentions. Well, exactly. So Jay noticed that, Si, and so Jay takes his duck call off his neck, gives it to sigh, sigh signs it, he gives it to the little boy, you think, okay, ride down the road.

Except that what happened? Well, then, he didn't know the story. Yeah. So what then he said, so he told us that, and I thought, well,

that's it, what you're getting all choked up about? I mean, it was kind of embarrassing. We've all kind of done that. We've, like, signed something to a kid.

I was literally thinking that. I said, do you know how many thousands of duck calls I've given to little kids? Why is this choking you up? The backstory, was this kid's dad who is who we met yeah was uh he had he had he had gone to one of

fields events begrudgingly didn't want to go yeah he's like i don't want to love duck commander but he's like he preaches well in the church you know he's like down on the church down on the church not didn't have relationship with god but he just holy spirit whatever compelled to go and he was shop. He was like, you're talking about a real man. What he said was he was the most authentic, manliest man I'd ever met, and yet he made the gospel so authentic and meaningful. And the way he framed it, he said, he wasn't some slick youth pastors. He had heard like these kind of presentations where you're trying to, you know. So then he tells this story, which seems kind of crazy, but we just heard it. We're five minutes after the story. So he bought a duck call.

He bought a DC-200. That night. Yeah. And, And, uh, $10, 10 bucks back then, you know, inflation was not what it is now. Inflated, that would have been 50 bucks today. And so a few years ago goes by and he loses that duck call and it really impacted him more when. Because that night hadn't turned him around spiritually. Yeah. Yeah. And it just, then when, when Phil went on to be with the Lord, you know, he had, he lost this duck call. And he, he said, it was, I said probably the most.

selfish prayer I've ever said. He's like, look, y'all don't have to check my theology. I knew this was a bad prayer. He said, but just one night, I was just so moved and I just prayed. He's like, I just, I wish I could find that duck call or, or, you know, I forgot the details of the prayer, but he was basically, oh, oh, I know the next factor was he had seen some clip on the internet where you had gone on to be with the Lord. Because he had always kind of hoping. to meet you too. And get you maybe the sign of DC 200. Which I said, I got good news.

He's about 100 feet down there on the right. The side just met him. Yeah. And he's like, he is? I was like, yeah. So anyway, but that, he, and that was another reason he prayed because he thought you had died.

So now, fast forward all this stuff. And he said this prayer. He's in Arkansas for the first time in his life. Yep. And he randomly looks up. over there, and it's like everything was happening in slow motion. Jay gets a call, gives it to the kid, which... A DC 200.

Which was a DC 200. We have 100 different kind of calls, but it would happen to be that one, and he got you to sign it, which he thinks you're back from the grave signing it, and I mean, the guy is getting choked up here. He was emotional. Then he gets in just, and he pulls off a jacket that he makes. Yeah. Yeah.

He makes hunting clothes. Jay said, man, hey, I know. Well, first he said he hugged Jay. Yeah. And Jay said it felt really weird in that moment. A grown man. I was lucky in his life because Jay is it on a weird look at his place. What he didn't know is that's the most uncomfortable Jay has ever been.

A man he hasn't met is so exciting. He said, he said, once I started hearing and watching about Jay Stone on the podcast and the show, and now Jay does all this jihitsu, he said, I'm so glad he didn't. just choke me out. Exactly. When I hugged me, he said he could have just flipped me around and just put me on the ground. Jay Stone would be the last human that I would go up and give a hug to it, which it's probably wrong of me to say.

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Message and data rates may apply. Well, I told the gentleman that I said, I can't wait to tell the family that now we know you can hug stone. It's just got to be the right situation to do it. So what a story. That was an incredible story. It was right on the hills of the other podcast. I think it made it even more.

special so um so so so i had mixed up the things but you're here now so the reason i asked you to come on today was because i preached this last sunday which i've already talked about i think on the podcast but i will say i do you don't think god doesn't work i sigh it was really helpful for you to be here in that heavy moment because you've always had a talent from god in my opinion, because I noticed this when we were, we brought up about these kids that we've, Make a wish and all that. Yeah, and some of these kids are in their last moments on the earth, we get asked to talk to them, which is not something I wanted to sign up for, but, but God's bigger, bigger than what you want to do. And so we did it. But through that,

I noticed that side does really well in those situations. We love kids and kids love him. And after that first, Sae mentioned the first time, we all got together at that first meeting because we were fighting like tears and all that. And we all were like encouraging each other.

We were like, look, they come here because our show is funny. They laugh. I mean, they're looking for, they're, most of those kids are terminal.

So like we're trying to bring joy into this moment. And so Sa's, from that moment forward, he took a step up on the game to make sure those were fun moments together. And, and say you were always so good

and still are. So you didn't mess up the schedule. I just think God had a better idea. Thank you for making me feel better because I felt bad. Like if Maddie would have been here, no knock on Josh. But Maddie really works the schedule more than me. And so I got a lot going on. So I messed it up.

I was thankful. You did a good job just because it was so tense. And I was kind of nervous, which I'm usually not nervous during a podcast. Well, he said, Josh says the worst thing could happen is I just sit here and cry for 48 minutes. Well, no, no. life. That's why I... But what a way to look at that.

I started to apologize. I said, because I'm probably going to bust out falling, too. Well, we all teared up a little bit, and that's okay. We brought up John 11th. So why are we here? So here's why we're here. So I preached on Mother's Day, and I got to tell you, speaking of emotional, because we began, they do it a little bit differently now at our church.

They do the baby blessings right before the sermon, and so both rooms can, you know, participate. Well, we had a baby blessing with Johanna. I mean, John and Paula are mine at least his best friends. We've been together. I helped raise this child. Well, and y'all didn't get into the backstory, but she had problems. She's adopted.

Yeah. When they walked up on stage and y'all, you're all where everybody was talking. I'm sitting there with tears streaming down my. Yeah, I was too. Because, hey, I said a prayer when they said, hey, she's having problems. I pray to God every night, I tell him, hey, look, Father,

put your hand on Johanna and let her carry in twins. Yeah, because she had had several miscarriages. Just this girl becoming a woman of faith and the way she is is an amazing story. And John and Paula are so long-suffering and everything they've done. And Lisa and I walked that with them.

So I was super emotional, but I just made my mind up. I couldn't lose it because I had a bunch to do that day. So I held it. together, but it was hard. And so that began a process. And then, of course, mom was there. And that was special because, to be honest,

we talked about on the podcast the other day with William Jep. We didn't think mom would be here at this Mother's Day. I mean, based on last year with that. Well, you even brought your okay in the sermon. Right. Which was a very profound point because what you said was because they were not with the Lord when you were born. Right.

And most people in those situations, she was, what, 16 years old? And, you know, my dad was living like a hellion. And then, but she chose life. And I thought that was so profound just to say out loud. Because I don't ever remember you saying that before. I do it when I speak on the road because it's because Lisa is about to tell a story of being 16 and not choosing life. You know, because she had an abortion. Well, it was so heavy because, I mean, you've preached at this shirt, which now you just do for

free, but I mean, you were there for 20-something years. Yeah, I pre-slash-a-serns. And it's like, it kind of hits you. Yeah. Yeah. That one decision really has helped a lot of people. I wouldn't be here. Not all that, the story, okay, because, you know, you know,

and one thing that you said in your sermon when you were talking about, Kay found out about, you know, Phyllis. Yeah. That was another excellent point. And she said, I've always said, I've always. always wanted their daughter. Yeah. Well, that was profound.

That was the first thing she said. No, no. And that was profound because you said, well, okay, that's the thing. Because most people, my hat's off to Kay, because, hey, like you said, she actually forgave Phil. Yeah. Yeah. And Al didn't say that.

You just, which I thought that was spirit-led, the way you said it. Yeah. Because you kind of think, well, why is that? It was very tactfully. Why is that such a profound? statement because most people when they hear you had an affair and had a kid and I'm just now finding out about it. And now I've got to deal with the consequences. Yeah. And her first response was we always wanted a daughter. I mean, the forgiveness was just. I remember Kate said that. I remember

she or her saying that numerous times. Well, what was funny was, what a woman at face. What it was What he was is in the moment of it happening, like, dad was not thinking it was true at all. He was very much like in denial about the whole thing. He's, I don't believe this is true. But mom, and understandable, because, you know, who knows if it's true or not. And to give them a break here, it had been so many years. 44 years. You've been born again.

Yeah. And you're so different. Right. And you, you know, I can't remember what I did five years ago. We're going way back here. Well, and look, and the other thing is that since this has happened, and obviously we made it public knowledge, and Phyllis is very well known now to all of the people that know us, and they know the story. And she's now written a book, and I'll tell you about the title and why I used it in the sermon. But we've probably had, I know Phyllis has had way more than us, but we've had many people reach out.

I've talked to several myself. Phyllis has talked to way more than I have, of people that have a similar story. and so they're reaching out because they're going through it too. And I have to tell you that I'd say eight out of ten, it doesn't work out well. No. You don't get that response to that I'm gay. In other words, a wife would be more like, look, that was your past life, but that's not going to affect our lives today.

And so it usually doesn't have a good ending for that person who's trying to find, even if they find their dad. And again, that's no knock. Everybody's got to live their own life. But I will say that when you are motivated by faith, and it really does tie into what our last podcast with Josh, it's different. Big news, difficult news, cancer news. It's different when you look at it through the lens of faith. And so I think mom set that emotion.

So I was glad to get to honor. But the reason I want to tell why I used it was because her book is, she's got a book coming out, which she's been on the podcast. And it's called I Never Knew, which was the, first words dad told her. When first saw her, he looked at her in her face and he said, I never knew, meaning that I didn't even know you were here around or whatever. Which was really a needed message from her perspective.

Oh, so it meant so much to her. Because her whole thing is I never knew who I was. And then he's looking at her and saying, well, I never knew you were here. Little girl, that's what he called a little girl. But in the point I was trying to make in the sermon is because we, Jason, 1st John, we talked about so much about what we know. Well, he made a point of that. And that knowing is a deeper word than we think in our English word, no.

This is real intimate. What motivates you? Well, that's one of them things like she feels just thinking, where were you when I needed you? Well, hey, and then he just says the truth. I never knew. Yeah. And look, they went into the living room. and after he said that, mom went in, he was holding one hand

and mom was holding her other hand. They walked her in the house. Like she was a little child. I mean, she's 44 years old. And when, but dad went and talked to her just the two of them for an hour. And I've never asked Dad Orphil's what they talked about. What they actually told that? But they talked for an hour.

And I think I know. I think dad was probably telling her, you know, that he wished she had known. Yeah. But, you know, they had that conversation. And look, that kicked off a six-year relationship that they had until he left. And, you know, Phyllis was a nurse. So her and old Burley were helpful right up to the end to the crossover about that. So, Jace, I've noticed a little something as you get along in years.

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And this is kind of our culmination of First John. It is. It's kind of, I call it our last bite at the apple. We're really moving on from First John after today. I'm going to give them a disclaimer. Alert disclaimer. Uh-oh. Okay.

This is going to get wild. Oh. Okay. We're going to go into the Twilight Zone. We may not be able to make it back. out. All right, so I was waiting

for the twilight. So let me set up what my sermon was and kind of how you remember we talked about Jason when we studied first John

that it felt like we kept going around in circles. And I told that to the guys on our staff. So when they came up with the outline

for the thing, they call it the circles of truth. And so they do all these circles. And it is very circular the way John writes the book.

And so the Sunday prior, our youth spoke and Jason and I talked about on the podcast how good it was. He did this text in First John two. The problem was I didn't get an update that he was taking what was going to be my text that I had been working on for a couple of weeks. And so this was like one of those big circles that were around. So Spencer did a great job with the text, but I went back and kind of took part

of his text because I really had to explain. I felt like I had to explain it to get to where I was going to be in the text that I was assigned to do for the thing. So basically, 1 John 2, 3 through 11. Here's the way I broke it down. It's who you know, which I said back when we were studying this, and what you know. And that was Jesus and truth. That was the two things he said.

It's who you know, it's him. And then it's what you know because he says, it is the truth. And he brought that out several times in that early text. So I talked about that. So then I went to verses 12 through 17. Now remember, these are all verses that were preached the prior week. And then I was like,

but another question that comes out of, who and what is why? Why are we even do this? In other words, what's our motivation? Well, it's the relationships. It's the fellowship. Remember Jason? We talked about fellowship. Fellowship with the Trinity, fellowship with other people. And so he has that little song he writes about the children and the fathers and the young men. And so he kind of hits us at every phase of our life. And he does this little repetitive thing. And he says there's three ways that you build forever. It's forgiveness, it's faith, and it's overcoming evil. That was the three kind of refrains he did over and over. So I talked about that being how we do relationships. And I used

the prodigal son and the older brother from Luke 15 is my illustration on what that looks like. Because there we saw, remember the three sins of both needed help. Exactly, because the three sins are lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Well, you see that represented, not just in the one brother, but the two brothers. Because the one goes off and squanders and lives this vile. One goes to high living. But he comes back, and then, then the older brother's there. He's mad. He's prideful. He's like, you know, wait a minute, I've done good things. I've been here. You don't do anything for me. Well, that was the third sin, you know, that affects us all. Well, that family dynamic was off because of the world. And so I made

the point that that's the why we need Christ. That's why we need the love and grace of the father. And so then that took us to the third point, which was a new text, which was 18 to 27. And it was what I call the how you know because there has to be a how and that's the anointing that you received in the Holy Spirit. Anointings mentioned there several times in that text. He's the last piece of the puzzle for us. That was the last part of the circle. So that's the how. The anointing of the spirit allows us to then abide in him. And I went to John 15 because there he says, you are rooted in me. And he says, I will bear fruit through you. How does he bear fruit through us? through the Holy Spirit.

So that becomes sort of the piece that ties it. So that was the arc and the overview of the sermon. And there were three truths out of that. The first one was that you have to acknowledge the arrival of God in flesh. And I talked about that, the logos, the Christos in flesh, accept the anointing of the Holy Spirit, and then you abide by remaining. Yeah. Which really, 1 John 3, what is that, 23 or 24?

24 says what you just says. It says, those who obey his commands live in him. Yes. And he and them, and this is how we know that he lives in us. We know it by the spirit he gave us. Which was the scripture, the little girl who read the scripture, that's what I had to read because it says it plainly there, even though I'm earlier in the text. And what's interesting is, just a little side note, this little girl who's Estabin, one of our...

It was fantastic. She read it in English and Spanish. No, no. It was so good. And she did it with passion. With passion. Yeah, she did it, fire it up. What was it like?

Fifth grade girl? Fifth grade girl, yeah. Oh, I love it. The part of this. All right, where's the Twilight Zone? Okay. The circle of, I like that. Circle is truth.

Okay, because all my life, I've got mad what the human race has done with the word religion. Yep. Okay. And the reason I said, the twilight. light zone, I said, I told you that I'll never use the word religion again and put on preach it. As a positive thing? Yeah, no, no, because here's the thing.

Now, we talked about this. There's one place you can use it. If you're helping widows and oil or orphans, James says, that's God's religion. That's God's religion. That's God's religion that's faultless and pure. But anyway, you know, the scripture is, okay, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Yep.

Well, that truth is, okay, hey, do you know Jesus Christ? And you said it in the deal. Who is just Jesus? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was a man that walked this earth. But wait a minute now, why should I, is he going to do something that's going to impact my life? You know, what's the big deal about who is Jesus?

Well, I could ask the same question. Who is Sal Robertson? Yeah, because, you know, I'll never preach the same, okay, because now, you know, the only thing that we're talking about here is, okay, is what do we really, when you get right down to it, what are we talking about? We're talking about a relationship. Yeah. And that relationship is between me and Jesus or me and you or me and my wife because that's the only thing important. I agree with that. I don't think that's the twilight tone.

I think that's pretty good. That's a sunshiney day. And let me explain to the audience because I didn't get into this just a minute ago when I was giving the overview. In this context is the one where John first talks about the Antichrist. And I got into that because so people get into this end of time stuff and they lose the impact of what John was saying in the moment. Antichrist simply means anti-Messia, anti-Jesus coming in flesh. That was what they were against. look, to your point side, these were religious people.

No, no. They were people that came in under the religious banner, but they didn't accept the Christ. They were flying the flag. But they missed him. No, no. Which was John's whole point. Hey, which is the thing about, well, okay, you shall know the truth,

and the truth shall set you free. Well, what is that truth? That Jesus is the son of God. It's a dude. The truth is a guy. Yeah. We can know. Whatever's coming out of his mouth.

Because think about here, it's okay. Once upon the time, some dude said, I am the way, the light, the life, the resurrection, the truth. Yeah, John 14. Oh, what? Well, hey, that's why, hey, get rid of the word religion. That's right. Because you know what you're talking about here?

You're talking about L-I-L-E. Life. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, I'll go back to you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Well, hey, guess what? Jesus said, I am the truth. That's it.

And look, there were some reasons why. And we talked about this so much on the podcast. I like this because it's a nice review. Fulfilment of all prophecy, fulfillment of all law, redemption of fallen citizens. man, a new garden, new temple, and we talk about this a lot, a permanent temple that now we are the brick in the wall, right? And this is the back, I ain't going to get off of it. And what is the truth?

Just what we're talking about. Well, that's why he said, I am the temple. He fulfilled the prophecies that were prophesited about him. Yeah. Do you like my Pink Floyd quote, Jay? I said, Pink Floyd almost got it right. But we should have been another temple brick in the wall. Exactly.

He was close. Permanent high priest for all people. Here's one I love. We talk about this a lot. The bringer of heaven to earth, but also earth to heaven. Back in forward. Because he's back and forth. Both ways.

Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah, connects both of them. Exactly. So that acknowledgement of Jesus in the flesh becomes that. And Jesus told them plainly, you all say you want to see the father, but you can't know the father unless you know me, which he said about 50 times. 50 times.

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RocketMoney.com slash Unashamed. And that's why then the Holy Spirit becomes so important. He's the second part of that equation because then he is the abider. He's the one, which is why, you know, you think about it when he's telling the disciples in John 14 that it's going to be better for you when I leave. And they're just looking at him like, are you crazy? No, no, yeah. How could it be better?

Hey, don't sweat it, guys. When I leave, I'm going to send you somebody. It's going to be better. He's going to live right inside of you. And again, I think kind of back to what Josh was talking about. the last podcast, Jesus in three years prepared them for what they were going to face in a way they had no idea they were ready for. Well, I say, we don't look at it.

Jesus is saying when he's fixing to leave, this is temporary. But I'm sending you somebody that's going to be permanent. Yes, that's right. That's going to be with you all. That's why when he says, hey, I'll never leave you. Hey, he sent the spirit to be with you. you. That's right. Well, just think about this, Al. You brought up John 5. I just want to give you a glimpse on how much you see this, what Jesus said in John, his first letter. Yeah. And then it's like,

well, this is how this should apply to you. But just everything we've just talked about, and I'm going to read three passages in three chapters in a row that just popped into my head. But this first one you used in your sermon. Yeah, this is how I closed it. He's among the religious, and I want to make sure we get this in here. And in chapter 5 of 27, he says, And the father who sent me has himself testified concerning me, you have never heard his voice nor seen his form. Now, he's talking about his father. Yeah. Nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. Yeah. And then watch what he says. You diligently study. the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. And you always have to stop there because you're like, oh, wait a minute, I believe that.

If you just ask somebody, do these scriptures give eternal life? You'd say, well, yeah. If you asked them, you said, somebody says, you know, I'm struggling. You say, well, why are you struggling? And they'll always say, almost always they'll say, well, I just need to read my Bible. Yeah, I need to read my Bible more. I'm all for reading about more, but if you don't know what it's about, so we're making a big deal.

You're not remembering what you're reading. We're making a big deal about this because size twilight zone point is right because of his next statement. These are the scriptures that testify about me. Yet you refuse to come to me and have life. You missed the whole point here. What's crazy is he was talking about all those Old Testament scriptures. It was like, oh, he was coming, which goes to. of the fulfillment of prophecy.

So then you go to the next chapter, and I'll just pick this out because it's something what I said. In 64, it says, no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him, and I'll raise him up at the last day. You skip down to verse 46.

He says the same thing. No one has seen the father except the one who is from God. Only he's seen the father. He keeps making a big deal about that. I'm showing you. the father. It's me.

I'm in a body. But it is a big deal because, hey, we haven't seen God, but guess what? We have seen the son, and the son has spoken to us in these last days. Yes. Exactly. So then watch what he says. I tell you the truth. He who believes in me has everlasting life.

So that's just another point. So when you get to chapter seven. There's that word again. Truth. You get to chapter seven. chapter seven, and Jesus stood up and said in a loud voice, if anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. And watch what he says, 38. It's the same thing he said in John 5. Whoever believes in me as scriptures has said. He goes back to that. These scriptures were pointing to me. That's good. streams of living water will flow from within him. And then John feels like he has to take a timeout.

He's like, time out. And he says this parenthetical, by this, he meant the spirit whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time, the spirit had not yet been given since Jesus had not yet been glorified. I mean, so I just think you see everything we just talked about, which caused me, I knew we were going over your sermon. And I happened to hear a sermon about freedom, and it was the title, it was Freedom from Idols. I mean, I listened to it last night. It was so fascinating because the reason I was familiar of those three passages right there, because one of the verses that doesn't seem to fit in the book of First John is,

is the last verse. Yeah. He tells all about this glorious, intimate relationship that we're participating with the Godhead, the Trinity. And we know him, we know this by the Spirit,

we act like Jesus, all the things we've talked about. And then the last verse is, so keep yourself from idols. Yeah. And what this sermon was, I listened to, went back to Jeremiah.

They were, the sermon came from Galatians 5 where it says, don't be slaves, you're free. But, you know, in Glacians 519, it says that's the sinful nature are obvious. Well, one of those things is idolatry. Yep.

And you think, well, what is an idol? Well, it's when you're worshipping or imaging something as your focal point, the truth. And if it's anything other than God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, well, that would be a false idol. But what he did was he went back to Jeremiah 2 and 3. That's where the sermon came from, which I was. I wasn't as familiar with Jeremiah off the top of my head, but when he went through it, I saw these same patterns because he starts off saying, Jeremiah the prophet, saying, look, you were God's holy people.

He rescued you out of slavery, gave you a job to do, to image me, and what did you do? You bowed down to idols. You replaced me with idols, which it was so profound because he was like, I set you apart. I made you holy. I freed you. And you can feel the passion in God speaking to Jeremiah. That's the one thing about, okay, don't worship the creation. Yeah.

That's the false idol. Yeah, anything made. Worship their creator. Yeah, anything made by the hands of men. And it was a really good sermon, but where I wanted to get to with the streams of living water, because he gets down to the end of chapter two, and he says, you know what your problem is? It's God speaking through Jeremiah.

He's like, you're cisterns that won't hold. water, your broken cisterns. And really when you start thinking about this living water and us trying to come up with something to capture the rainwater that God provided. And then you, then it's broken. It doesn't even work. When you read this, it makes sense. And then chapter three, and I'll get y'all's comment.

Then he says three times, return to me, return to me, return to me. And you know what illustration? used after this sermon was Luke 15. Yeah. When the boy returned, he said, what was the father's response? Yeah. So I just thought that was profound. I just happened to hear a sermon, but it's the same stuff with this living water.

Just God wants to just pour out of you. A good point of that. I had said, you know, worship, you know, worship, don't worship the creation. Worship to Creator. Yeah. Your springs of living water. hey springs you know we've got springs on this earth and they're just lovely they just keep flowing just

when you think about that don't worship the creation worship the creator and springs of living water will flow from you yeah which was a really good point because i thought basically the reason he ended that with that is anything that's not working well of the world that you're putting that you're putting Putting your faith and trust, you've got to look around, and the first step realizing, I'm an idol worshiper, is realizing this is not working. It's broken. And I'm trying to find fulfillment and satisfaction in it. We get confused and can't see the forest for the trees because we miss just simple statements like a springs of living water.

well we've got springs of living of living water because there's no life without water exactly well we've got springs on this earth it's funny aside because that you say that because i was i was talking about the overall there was a lot going on in my life this last sunday that went into the sermon more than just a text and when we lived for 16 years next to don and paula the name of our road is well spring road now we named it And the reason we named it that is because when the guy was clearing my pad, he ran over a spring and it shot up a geyser or a water that went up over the bulldozer. And I saw it happened to be watching it that day. And I thought, look at that.

But then it hit me. I thought, you know, everybody that's going to build on the street are all members of our church. We are a wellspring. And to this day, that's wellspring. So let me tell you, I ended the sermon because we were also, our movie is premiered this week on Saturday. as you're hearing this, it'll already be out. But so I had that in mind, and so I had never told the church about it, you know. And back when we were talking about the prodigal son part, I've mentioned many times before

that I was the younger brother, even though I'm the oldest in our family, in the story. And Jace has said he was the older brother, even though he's younger than me. He was the one that's bad. Yeah, so we both had what Kyle Edelman, who wrote a book about this called Aha. And I mentioned, Jace, that you had mentioned the aha text, which I read the one from Psalm 70. There's a lot of them. Which is a good point. It was a great point.

Because the world says to us, aha, you're a hypocrite. And we're like, yep, but I tell you what, I'm a hypocrite redeemed by the love of God. So the aha, the AHA in Adam's book, is awareness because the kid was in the pig pen. The older brother was in his own world of pride. So that's the awareness of that. humility, which is the answer to anything. When I'm, when I realize where I'm at and I say, I don't have God, that's my only answer. Well, that's kind of the broken sister.

That's right. Okay. This is not working. That's humility. And then the third A, the aha part of the A, is action. What am I going to do about it? So you can sit there and you can be prideful and mad, and you can sit there in the pig pen or blame shift and say, it wasn't fair and somebody treated me poorly.

Or you can do something about it. And so that's the idea. He got up and went. But like you said, Jay, so beautifully, the picture is the father rushes to receive. And so I didn't say this at the end of the sermon. It's written right here. I missed it. And it was a bad miss, but I'll say it on here.

Because what I wanted to say is if you're sitting here today and you've had an aha moment by hearing this sermon, the last thing you want to do is not do anything about it and then get face to face with Christ and say the words, I never knew. Yeah, I wanted to illustrate that point because I said that her, that's the words you don't want to come out of your mouth at that moment. Because you only get one shot at life. Well, because we want to know, right? Well, no, because the main point on that it is, okay,

is God's chosen people is Jews. When Jesus arrived on this earth, they missed him. Yeah, yeah. And this is the lawkeepers. This is the record keepers. And look, Sa, what you are? you're describing is what I feel is the scariest

verse in the Bible is when Jesus said when people come up to him and say, didn't we do all these great things? No, no, no, no. Here's what he's going to tell you. Depart from me. I knew you not. I never knew you. And that's the words that

he says back, right? Yeah. Yeah. You got to think about it. Yeah, I missed that at the end of my son. The whole world is in that right now. Yeah. But I want to give you a little glimpse inside, Jase, because I finally watched the movie. I hadn't seen the movie until this week.

But didn't you watch the movie the night before you, Prie? Two nights before, yeah. I probably would have not recommended that. It was terrible. Here's what you don't want to do. It's a DED side. Dad, don't ever watch a movie about your life right before you're fixing and go to bed.

Because I could not sleep. I kept waking up every hour or having dreams. It was terrible. but I will say I love the movie I thought they did great and there's a couple of scenes in there Jay's that I want to prep you for whenever you see it so there's a cup

it's just you don't have to do everything we're condensing Montalisa's life down into you know 90 minutes so obviously there's a lot of skipping places but there's a couple of little small scenes in there that I appreciated because one of them was Jace so I come in I've been out

Gallivatin you know dad's like questioning me you know where you been and I was like oh, I went fishing, you know, whatever, just lying. And Jace comes by and he says, I know that's not where you were. And that one statement he makes was like our three years together. I mean, like, it was one point two seconds in the film, but that was a big part of it. Because Jace knew the truth.

And so that's there. But then when I come home and I walk up in the yard, mom and dad meet me out in front of the house. And the brothers are there, too, in the movie's version of it. I don't know if y'all were the actual day. Oh, yeah. We were actually, I don't know if you know this, we were playing Dominoes when the call happened. Because I remember I was mad.

I was being the older brother again. Because I'm like, dang, we don't need it, 25. And we've, you know, the game. So many of our big life moments around Domino's. I was like, I don't know why we can't score 25 points before we handle this and see what Al's been up to. He's probably just, because I was not giving you the. Y'all were there in that scene, and that was special to me.

And then the next scene is me and dad on the porch, putting duck calls together, and us having a conversation about, and dad, the dialogue of the actor playing dad, sounded just like what he would say about the gospel, which I was very proud that's in there. But here's the scene I didn't expect. So later in the film, Lisa, you know, it goes through the affair and everything, which, by the way, it's hard to watch. I'm just going to be honest with you. You're watching actors, you know, play a part that actually happened.

but when we got through it, although we felt some of the same physiology that we had back 27 years ago, it was amazing. I kind of got a little bit of like the shakes like I did 27 years ago. That physiology is still there. But in the scene where Lisa comes forward at the church, and it's different than the way it actually happened, but in the movie, I just love the way this was the Holy Spirit thing to me. Jace is like, because at that time you were a young leader in the church. You were involved.

You weren't doing this that day, but in the film, you're up and you basically offer the invitation. And it's you. It's the guy playing you. And he says, if anybody has something they want to say or testimony, you know, now's the time what Lisa comes forward. And she's written a letter, which she did in real life. But someone else read it. But then she reads the letter to the church. But I just, what I loved about it was that it was such a full circle moment.

It's an aha moment. because it was Lisa coming to the reality of where she had been and who she was. And I looked back on that moment still with great awe, just like we looked at Josh today, because most people would have just ran. When you're in this bad of a place and the whole church is there, you'd have just bolted. I mean, why face all this? Just leave, you know? But she didn't.

And she came forward that day. And I just like the fact that it wasn't how it really happened, but it meant something to me that you were in that moment because it was the, beginning point of the rest of our life the last 27 years of our life well because really you know a few years later i did a sermon yeah which was so meaningful yeah about women who i've learned something from and i had three or four women my mom there's an old widow lady that uh she's going on to be of the lord now but just coming overcoming uh obstacles and she helped more kids in that neighborhood but then i brought up lisa because i was like taught me about grace and

and how God can bring you back. So really, it was the timing of it was all based on a tree store. But the moment it mattered to me was it really was full faith on all of us coming to the concept and we're out of time, so I'll end it with this, that we overcome the world. And we overcome the evil one. And that's the whole thing. That's what matters. Well, that's why I wanted to share that because after I did that sermon, the whole thing for me,

because I didn't realize how that impacted her. Yeah. And we just had a moment, you know, that like, okay, we needed that. So it was great. I'll add this. That's why one of my favorite songs is I've been to redeem. Yeah. It's because, hey, I went through that and done that, but then I faced it and overcame it.

Yeah. With the help with Jesus. Right. Exactly. So the only, I cried several times during the film, but it's the last, The last scene was like ugly cry. I'm glad we watched it just the two of us because I'd hate to do that in front of other people. But Lisa, the one part she cried the most was when she was baptized by Paula, of all people, after she had come back.

And in that scene, they have a song called I Will Surrender. And so when she was being baptized, they're doing that song. Well, see, that's the overcoming part. It's so powerful. And so look, check it out. It's a lifetime for the movie. I'm glad we got to redo this sermon. This is our last bite.

Next time we get into Bible study, we're getting in the book of James. We are. And we're super excited about that. It's going to be some good stuff in there as well. So, Cy, thank you for hanging out with us for a couple of podcasts. You were great. As always, I get more than y'all get. Well, we love it.

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