Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 135 | An Update on Jase and Jep's Show, a New 'Curse Word,' and What Makes God Laugh

Episode Date: August 28, 2020

Jase and Jep move forward with their show about metal detecting, and the sizzle reel features reactions from members of Unashamed Nation. Jase also reveals his new "dual citizenship." Phil talks about baptizing a rock 'n' roll drummer and shares the incredible story of a Native American boat found buried on the riverbank. And the guys talk about how God views tragedy, what makes God laugh, staying locked in on the resurrection no matter what's going on, and how Jase unintentionally got a group of guys to use a “curse word” he had never heard before. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I went to South Texas and visited Jeff and Jessica. And we actually, I wanted to give you an update because Unashamed Nation, they spoke. They spoke. They wanted a show. So what we did was, Jeff and I have been metal detecting. And there's another character.

that will be if the show happens because we're on schedule, which is Mr. Murray Crow. He's the expert. And what they do in the TV world, now that enough people spoke and said, yeah, let's do this. So I said, why not? Jep's in. Mr. Murray said, I'm in. So you do what they call it sizzle. And then you try to, which is all that is is an idea that you go show.

Networks. Networks. Yeah. And they say, yeah, that's a good idea. That's basically how we, Duck Dynasty, we came a show. That's right. We had a sizzle. And most sizzles that you do, there's probably tens of thousands that are still on somebody's, you know, floor.

Most sizzles are rejected. They didn't sizzle. Most sizzles goes zz. Most sizzles never sizzle. Well, they burn the bacon, you know. So I watched it. You know, they've had it for a little while. But I was like, these boys.

Yeah, our crew put it together that does in the woods and our podcast. Well, we did. I was over at Jep's. So it's my daughter. Of course, Jep has three daughters that are right close to my daughter, which is, you know, they're all cousins, but they're best friends. Well, they had three of their friends there. So what are we up to now?

There's seven girls there from the ages of 16 to 18. And we said, y'all watch this. Wow. So you tried it out on a teenager. audience. And I hadn't even seen it. I just said, is this something that you would watch? So I had no idea what I was fixed to see.

So what they did was they had all of you, Unashamed Nation, that's how it starts. It's all these tweets and saying, do the show, Jace, we're all doing it. They're like flashing up on the screen. And I asked the question, if y'all want it, hey, let's do it. So they, I mean, that's good. So Unashamed Nation, you actually made the sizzle. That's pretty. They're actually in the sizzle.

That's awesome. So then what we did. because most reality shows is all they, it's not real. You would think it's the word reality. So what they'll do is, because a lot of people said, well, you're never going to be able to take a. So you sound like news being fake news. It's like reality TV being real.

It should be ficality. So they said, you're never going to get a camera crew to follow you around in metal detain. And they got a point because we'll go six, eight hours and you're only finding a very few things

that are significant. I mean, basically Mr. Murray told me that. Your show's going to be time lapse photography. No, so here's what I said. And so they were saying,

how are we going to film y'all metal tech? Because I said, you don't want to go do that. I said, but since the coronavirus, people now are used to crappy footage. You don't have to have lighting and all that. I mean, I've seen news anchors, you know, where they're a kid come in at their house. And they're like, oh, do you want to go to a commercial? And they're like, ah, go with it.

You know, like, mama. So, and I, it, it's real. And people like it. So they're like, okay. Because they're all, they're all doing everything from their house. Okay. Why we have to get up and dress like, you know, and go into a studio. Mambi and be like, breaking today. You remember the news of your age, Walter or Conkine. What's his name? Croncite. I thought literally as a kid that he was always there. They would just, he never went home.

He's just the man that doesn't sleep. But anyway. And by the way, since you brought him up, Walter Croncite was a hardcore liberal, but you would have never known it from watching his news coverage. Well, used to. They used to. Because he just reported the news.

He just reported the news. That's what they do. He reported the news left out the line. Yeah. And now in the current era from rather on, then it's all of a sudden they're just giving you the... Well, it's on both sides. Oh, I know. It's just everything is geared to inflame. Oh, this actually, the current crop actually makes rather look a little conservative.

That's right. But anyway, my point is, I said, we'll just film it on our phones. Because I know when my detector goes off most of the time. I'm like, ooh, this is going to be good. So we just filmed a little bit using our phones, but you couldn't even tell it. You know, the way these editors put it all together there, you wasn't thinking, oh, that's Jace. Like I had my phone, and when I found that $18.98, half dollar, because when the signal went off, I grabbed my phone. Because I wanted it to be real.

Dug it up, sure enough, I didn't think it was a half dollar from 1898. So when I got it, I held it up. And, of course, I got the phone back at me. And I mean, I'm not much of a cameraman, but I'm like, you know, I was just looking. I was thinking, I thought, well, I need to say something. So I said, whoever lost this is dead. Well, guess what? That made it.

They put that in there. So which the girls, when I said that, they laughed. So you were director, cameraman, talent, and writer all in one scene. And so what the, you get a lot of credits on this show. And your crew, to their. credit they because a lot of stuff I found out at my old place they got one of these me you know a little planes what they call drones yeah so they like did a couple flybys with that you know so that all of a sudden it looks like we're in you know raiders the lost

dark here and it was actually pretty good so so it went off and i i said would y'all watch it they all now i said look you're not going to hurt her feelings if you thought that was the worst thing ever. This was sing out, you know, the love boat or whatever. I love the love boat. The love boat. No, I didn't. I didn't like that at all.

I like Fantasy Island. Jayce has given me a small briefing and as, and I'm learning as I'm listening to him on what the guy's been doing in his spare time. See, now you thought the whole time he'd just been doing the stock market. He's had a whole other life here. I didn't realize he's, he's on the mood. he's making TV I don't know what that means but so we got the show sizzle out they'll pitch it and then I'll report back to you oh but one thing I wanted to say now because my daughter's

gonna go to Christian school down there with her cousins and so I'm kind of I have a dual citizenship I guess you would say you and I'd be a part-time Texan yeah I'm part-time I love Hal, I call the reality show stint that I was a part of for about five years. I call that an era that I would never go back and do that again, ever. Well, look, Phil, Unashamed Nation spoke. And look, I wanted to let y'all know they did do something I thought was funny. They labeled the three characters, me, I'm the hunter. And they got that right, because they interviewed us, which is how they, I think a reality show should be.

Well, I just thought the interview bites on our show is what really brought it all together. Well, that's where they're getting their information because these people in these production companies, they don't know what the heck were about. So they say, well, how do they know where to go with the show? They interview you. They ask you questions. They're like, why do you do this? I said, because I like to hunt. They're like, Jay's the hunter.

Well, they quickly figured out from Jel that he's the rookie. You said, why? Because he came metal detector to my house and all he had was flip flops. He said, uh, you got any shoes? So I gave him a pair of my shoes. Well, guess what? They were still towed boots. Well, I thought he'd be smart enough to figure out to hold your metal detector as far away from your body as possible.

Or you'll be metal detecting your boots. His boots. He spent two hours trying to dig up his own feet. And so he said, there's something wrong with you. with this metal detector. Every time I get it by, look, he said, look at this. I think the word rookie was just being kind. That's being nice.

He said, well, why would you give me a pair of steel-toe boot? I said, that's all I had. I'm not like a woman. Your wife's got 150 pairs of shoes. He's walking around detecting his own boots. That's what he did. So he's the rookie. And then Murray's the expert.

He brought the meteorite. One of them he found. He sold one. I thought he sold it for more than what he did. But he sold one of them that he found for 14, thousand dollars he found a meteorite in a field and sold it for 14 grand it was about that bigger out so that's how you get to be he knew it was something special about the rock he knew it was the way from here yeah that's that's from the universe that's from the galaxy and people collect those

things so that's why i said they said well how did he become an expert i said when you sell a rock for $14,000. You're the expert. You're now an expert. You're not where a jeep is. And I would be willing to bet that Murray Crow has never shown up for a hunt in flip-flops. I mean, I'm just saying I could never see that up. No, Murray's interesting.

And because he was one of the masterminds of the mojo. And so he's, he doesn't do it for money. He's got plenty. But he'll show up to a site. He's got like a bunch of different cars. There was some show that I can't remember where the guy. would show up one of the characters he was always in a different car mary's kind of like that but what i did find fascinating about those girls who watched it

one of them said i love this show because i love history and of course missy said you love history he's like yeah i just i love it's my favorite subject and so she and so i thought you know you don't have to be a metal detector to watch this i mean it was kind of funny it was entertaining but that's actually what you're doing is you find something then you try to figure out what it is yeah like on this this last trip it's all over grounds you, but it's buried. Which I always thought, you know, that show, I watched it a little bit, the one from Las Vegas, the pawn shop, you know, those guys.

I always thought the most interesting thing about that show. I mean, they were characters and all that, but was the history of all their items. And that's what this is. They would go into those items, and I was fascinating. I mean, it drew me to their show. And right now, look, Jep and I, the reason I went down there, I mean, I did this event, and I, it was over at 10 o'clock, I drove, I got in, to where I, Jepp said like 2.30.

Well, then we've been trying to get access to this church. Where I found this 1898 half dollar was right on the line of this church property that was built in 1850 or something. And it had a sign that said historical site. It was a hospital during the Civil War. And I'm like, yep, we need access to this place. So we've been trying for a couple months They had a board They had a board meeting

Oh boy Oh yeah And so Jeff sent me the day that I came down He said come on We got the church So I'm like Oh buddy So I go on two hours sleep

We drive it was an hour away from Jeff Of course the problem is So you get in at 2.30 And then you're off at 580 And metal detected all day Next night I was left now But so we get there Well what they didn't

was through the years to make this look so pristine they had brought in dirt and gravel well they covered up all the treasure so we all we found jeep found one old military button right out there close to where i found the half dollars so it was kind of a bus but then jeep and i went to another place he goes all the time and so we're fine and i found like nine modern quarters you know which hey two dollars and twenty five cents but now you're going to be the rookie because that's That's a Jep move there. So there all of a sudden, Jep says,

what is this? I hear him, he's like, what is it? So what it was is we found when we googled what this was. It had a little cross on it and a few numbers and it looked like gold. And it was said to come off of a 17, 15 shipwreck gold from Mexico. Now,

it's either a replica. or it's actually a coin from 1715. And it's like not even like circular. It's, and it looks old. I think it's a replica because why would that be laying around in South Texas? It was pretty deep and it is worn. So if Jep, if that turns out to be the real thing, there was a lot of interaction between the Texans and the Mexicans.

That's right. But having said all that, that would be an interesting story on the show. Right. And so that's why we do this stuff. That's why, I mean, I think the potential's there. One is, y'all are all comfortable because we've been on the show for it to be entertaining that part of it. But then the history of it, I think, would be amazing.

If it turns out to be gold, you need to wait to dark and go back out there and go back to that spot. Trust me, if that's the real thing, I will spend the next month down there. See if there's another one. That may lead to a bigger stash. Well, they were, we saw what some of the people were charging for the real thing. And, yeah, Jeff is, you know, Jessica's like, I'm telling you, that's real. So we went on. So all of a sudden, Jessica got super excited about metal.

We spent two hours with a magnifying glass and a full-scale Google search for this shipwrecked. Ever since my cousins were driving along on the Red River. and they looked up on the bank of the river. And on Red River, you have one side, the deep side, we call it, and the other side the sandbars. They were on the steep side. And through the years, that bank would be caving off in huge chunks because it's room fall off.

It's probably still happening today. Oh, yeah. And where the river had caved off, they saw something jutting out about 10 or 12. feet below the ground level. A bunch of dirt gave way and something were just sticking out about six feet, this object. And they pull up there and they turned the boat around and went back up there and they said, that looks like a boat.

That looks like a boat. Well, when they got close to it, they said, it is a boat. So they said it's a P-Rogue, you know, which is a small pointed boat on each end, about 10 feet long. Yeah, it's Louisiana. So they were looking at the point of it, and they thought, and looking at a few feet of it, and they said, well, they said, let's dig out of there.

So they started digging on both sides of this thing, and the further they went, the bigger the boat got. So they get it up in there as far as they can go, and they said, well, we can't go any further at all cave in on us. So they went and told the landowner, the guy that owned the place, they were just over fishing. They went and told the landowner, and he came down and looked at it, he said,

boys, stand back. He said, but I think that's one of, it's a boat that the Indians used. Really? Well, to make a long story short, they brought a barge up from Baton Rouge, and they came up the Red River. They got up in the Red River, and they came up with a barge with a big pump and blowing, you know, water under a high velocity, and they just basically just started spraying it, had a nozzle, you know,

tied onto the thing. They sculpted it out. They started blowing the dirt out around it. Well, when it ended up, it was one bull cypress tree that they had made the boat from long. I mean, the thing was like it would hold 30 Indians. Hmm. And the Indians had cut it down with stone axes, sharpened it, and they got the meat of the tree out where they got in the boat.

The sides were about like six inches thick. Whatever happened to that thing? It's in a museum in Baton Rouge down at LSU or wherever. But it was the fifth boat found on the North American continent still intact. The fifth one they found like that. But it whole 30 Indians, so when the Indians were there. Well, it says something about a cypress tree. The cypress.

And they said inside the boat, they had gotten the wood out slowly by burning it out. It was like charcoal kind of on the sides and the bottom. They had slicked, they'd flatten the bottom. They'd flatten the bottom out. Yeah. And it curved up. And they pointed it with stone tools now and burned out the inside. Everybody jumped in with their paddles.

Maybe that's why the boat was there. Somebody, one of the Indians got cold and tried to light a fire. And then the next thing you know, abandoned ship. They had burned out the inside so they could get into the thing, which is pretty, pretty. pretty, which is pretty interesting, you know. Let's take a, let's take a break. Well, yeah, that was quite the fine.

That was your first cousins, right? Mac and then. Mac of John Paul. Yeah, really interesting. I never heard that story. Before we get to John, so I went, so Unashamed Nation, we mentioned you guys earlier in appreciation to you guys for responding about Jason's show. And you finally overwhelmed my email, just so you know.

So I've got a new email for, all podcast questions because you have overwhelmed my duck commander email and which i love hearing from me i just can't possibly return all the emails unless we split up yeah i'll check my emails when i get home so here's my new email and cole's going to put it up so it's al at restoration productions dot net so that's going to be the new email you got any podcast you got any podcast questions send it to owl at restoration productions not a dot net and not to my duck commander account because i can't possibly get to my emails, they've overwhelmed me. So, but it also speaks to how many new people are listening to the podcast.

And I love hearing from me because, I mean, you're talking about lives being changed here. I mean, JC's a little of dad. You don't get to see much of it. But, I mean, there are people making life change. We've had several families that have moved now to West Monroe. The latest was a son from New Jersey. He's going to be there Sunday for you to baptize him. I mean, they just said, you know what?

Every week we were, we baptize them. Yeah. Every week. He, I had multiple 10, 12, 15. I hadn't met him yet, but a guy at church sent me a text and said, these guys are like, they've been locked up there in New Jersey under this crazy governor. And they're just like, you know what? We're going to one of the free states.

And we might as well go to Louisiana because that's where the Robertsons are. I mean, like literally they're like, we're just packing it up and moving it out. Welcome aboard. I think we're going to see a lot more of that. So anyway, so any emails send them to that address. You're ready to get into John Lem? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So we left off last time with Dad giving us some of the phraseology of the idea of falling asleep and what that means kind of as that came forward. Because Jesus introduced the thought here in John 11 when he spoke about Lazarus, because he obviously knew what he was about to do. The disciples, nobody around him did. Well, it is good that he used the terminology. He's not dead. He's just asleep.

Right. Well, he was speaking of his body, we're body, soul, and spirit. Our soul and our spirit depart from our body. When our body wears out, it dies. So you leave your body. You're alive. You're in good shape.

I think you're conscious and you're with God. How could you not be conscious of the fact that you've made it? So whether we're at home and the body or away from it, we make it our goal to please the Lord. Well, if you're away from it, you're making, you know, you're making it everything. ever, ever to please the Lord. That means you're alive. You just don't have your body, which that's not really that bad.

It's not the other side of the thing, the ones reserved for hell. Now, they've got some problems. Well, we've said before on other podcasts, and I realize we have new people, so sometimes we have to remind you, that you have this weird moment. I think it's in Matthew 17.

You have the transfiguration, where Jesus does this thing with his body. And you have these two people there with him, which was Moses and Elijah. Well, both of them died under, well, mysterious circumstances. Died. Elijah just left. But from their perspective, the people standing there who saw him leave, that was a mysterious circumstance to which you no longer saw him again.

Moses climbed a mountain in the Bible. Bible says that God buried him. Well, it says that. Couldn't find his body. But then in Jude, there is a dispute in the book of Jude over the devil over the body of Moses. And so you say, well, why are you bringing all this up? It's not, it can't be a coincidence that you have this weird thing going on in Matthew 17 where radiated bodies in some kind of.

Standing on top of a mountain. spiritual, you know, and Peter's like talking out the side of his mouth, like, well, it's good for us to be here. Should we make a shelter? Yeah, let's build three shelters. Because he's like, nobody will understand. I can't believe what I'm seeing. Maybe we should buy a shelter.

You got two people supposedly who died thousands of years earlier. Jesus is standing there talking to them. They're all three having a conversation. And they're all glowing. Yeah. Well, then you have this instant. But they're in bodies. They're in bodies.

You have this instant. where was it Saul maybe they summon Samuel from the dead I may be getting these names wrong you're right and now and they had some

he went to is a witch of indoor yes or name now you can look in your biblical encyclopedia and you'll see it but when Samuel came back he basically was aware to your point when he came back in

whatever manner you want to give him. I don't know if it was his ghost. But he was spirit. He knew what was going on with life's events. And he also said, you shouldn't have done this. Because you and your children, for a couple generations, they're doomed. Don't do this.

And so I just thought it was fascinating that if you put all that together and you put in the fact to where Jesus said, when they asked him about marriage and the resurrection. I think that's, is that Luke 20 now? Yep. By the way, it's 1st Samuel 28 if you want to go back and read the story. First Samuel 28 is an interesting story. It's a really interesting story.

And then you have this Luke 20 because you say, why are you setting all this up about the falling asleep and dead people? Because I think most people should be at least concerned about what's going to happen the moment that you die. They should be very concerned. And this is great news. Because right now all we got are lights and a tunnel. No, it's not Luke 20.

Where is that at? Yeah, it is. Yeah, yes, sir. Well, that's one. I think I was thinking the parallel version of it. But this is fine. Yeah, it says, you know, they came up with this situation about what if this woman is married,

multiple times because in Jewish tradition, the brother of the wife's husband, he would take over. And so it's like, what if he, what if seven of them, she was married seven times? I think it's a fair question, because people think that.

Who's wife would you be? Yeah, and what age will I be? All these questions that come up. Will we all be like little kids and whose wife? So all these questions come up. now then at the resurrection this is 33 Luke 2033 whose wife will she be since the seven were married to her Jesus replied the people this age marrying are given in marriage those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and the resurrection from the devil will neither

marrying or be given in marriage so it was first of all it's different these people that Jesus is talking to didn't believe in the resurrection yeah they didn't believe in it but I like this next verse 36 and they can no longer die for they're like the angels i think in that capacity they are god's children since they are children of the resurrection and then he goes into this he said but in the account of the bush even moses shows that the dead rise for he calls the lord the god of abraham the god of isaac the god of jacob that's why i brought up past people that were that that came back on jess let's take a quick rate So he finishes 38. He says, he is not the God of the dead, but of the living. And this is the key phrase, for to him, all are alive. So that's why when Lazarus, he can say, now whether that's funny, because I really, you know, people that say Jesus didn't have sense of humor, I've already explained to you, God has a sense of humor because we're made in his image.

and laughter is one of the necessity. Yeah, necessity of life. That's why the last podcast I told about, look, if you ever wanted to break wind in public, now's the time. People have a mask on. Go for it. Don't be uncomfortable.

You say, is it funny? It should be. And so whether he's just saying he's asleep, I'm going to go wake him up. Because he's actually dead. Right. But to him, all are alive. That's why a lot of people who blame God for when something tragic happens,

well, to a being to where all are alive, it's just tragic to you. It's not over. That's right. So why are you getting so upset and mad at God? Because to him all are alive, it's not over. It's over when he says it's over. By the way, the ones who turn against the Lord and God, and they said, let us break their chains.

Just throwing in there just, and all it will be short. The one enthroned in heaven, God, when he's looking down on people scoffing at him and rejected him, he laughs. That's good. The one enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at him. So yeah, I'm glad you found it.

Look, nothing makes me worse out. I mean, I just came in my mind, but you know, God does have a laugh. And one of the things he laughs at are when people shake their fists and say, you ain't there and you can't raise me from the dead and you can't do this i don't believe in this god stuff the atheist he's laughing at him but another makes me more upset y'all been in them i've spoken at them where you go into a church building god doesn't live in buildings right and you go in there and it's like a funeral that's it's not a funeral i mean nobody would dare laugh you know i mean it's just because it's somehow they read the verse where you do everything in decent

and in order, whatever that was. And decency in order. Jason has you ever spoken to groups where you couldn't get a laugh out of them? Yeah. Who's that old comedian, that old guy, you know, boy, that's a tough crowd. Rodney Dangerville. Oh, Rodney Danvers used to say, that's a tough crowd. Tough crowd.

Well, I've gone to events before because you got to remember. I'll say something that everybody laughs at. So I go over here and make a notation. Funny. I didn't know it was funny. but and so you do it again at the next event they all laugh you go to the next they all laugh then you go to one nothing now you're like you know what it's not me because because that was funny i was just i got three out of four that laughed i was just at three other places and they thought

that was the funniest thing they've ever heard and none of you cracked to smile you people need to repent you're too uptight i spoke it up to I spoke at a group one time in southern, no, in northern Florida. And there's a lot of rednecks in northern Florida. A lot of rednecks. So I preach the gospel to them and no one, no one at any time uttered any sound and no one at any time even moved. They just sit there.

Well, I went back in there after it was over, I walked by and I went back in the back to give me a cup of coffee and there was one of them making coffee there. She said, Mr. Robinson, I want to apologize for the men of North Florida up here. She said,

but just remember this. If you had been Jesus himself, you would have received the same response. So she thought you should have got a little more. She said, even Jesus, he'll never made, they'll never buzzed. You know,

I thought some of these people, if they make it, they get up in heaven, they see Jesus. It's a grand, everybody's celebrating, And I'm like, are you going to, are you going to celebrate then? You know?

Yeah. But by the way, Jace, clear up the part about the last statement. For to him, all are alive when he's speaking of people who say, well, they're passed on. We lost him. He's passed away. He's gone. And they cry. Because, but children of the resurrection.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless you're God. he is life. And so here you are. He knows how many hairs are on your head. And you're like, well, I'm dead. It's over. No, it's not over. Not over at all.

You're going to have a meeting. It's actually with your maker. In God's eyes, it's a beginning, not an end. And remember, he loves everybody. Remember 2nd Peter. He loves everybody and wants all to come to repentance. So, you know, it's hard from our perspective. We see people who are enemies of God, and we see them as like, oh, man, these people are terrible.

But God loves everybody. He wants everybody to come to repentance right up until the moment you're here and then you leave there. So you remember John 5, though, Dad, all will be resurrected. Some to face judgment. Others should live for return. That's what I was looking for. By the way, on that topic, one of the questions that was asked was the guy who wrote us and said, how do you know you're really going to make it?

Remember that? Right. What was the question he asked? Wouldn't I bet? Well, we were going to do that on the next podcast. But anyway, yeah, something like that. So look, just remember this. When I read that 2nd Corinthians 5 a while ago, the last thing that said that,

so we make it our goal to please him, whether we're at home in the body or away from it, whether your body's in the cemetery and your soul and your spirit there with God. The reason it's a pertinent point out is what he says, for we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body where the good or bad. The point is when you're away from God,

your soul and spirit, in your bodies in the cemetery. They've had your funeral, but you're still alive. But the good news is, if you're with Jesus, because of the way you operated on planet Earth, the good news is you know you've made it. That's right.

Your body's in the cemetery, but you're aware that you have made it. Which is why we always say that once people leave here, it makes you be very careful. We always say people leave here as believers wouldn't want to come back, and that's true, because they know what they know now. That's right. Let's take another break. I wanted to read your John 528, 29, which we've gone through that before,

but it says, do not be amazed at this for time is coming. when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out. Those who have done good to rise to live, those who have done evil, rise to be condemned. Yep. So that's why I said, I read that story to him all our lives. That's right. It's not over.

We don't want you to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. We don't want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep or to grieve like the rest of men. That's from first, Thessalon is four. 4-11 and 413. Right. And then it says, we believe Jesus died and rose again. So we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Well, the only thing they could be bringing if your body's in the cemetery is your soul, your spirit. Right. And as it turns out, you're reunited with a resurrected body that will live. well, immortality has just taken place. And that's the hope and that's the promise and that's the guarantee. So I'm looking at it like, right, you said before, you don't have many years to live. I'm like, oh, I'm just fixing to begin to live on the other side. Right.

On the other side. So it's a comforting thing. Yeah. And then, of course, back to John 11, which I just read this last time, we'll reread it again in the context of what we're talking about today. when Martha, you know, she comes to him. And so she's responding like a sister would who just lost her brother. And you got to think about it. So from their perspective, when she and Mary are there and Lazarus is getting near death,

and they're waiting on Jesus to show up because they know he can heal him. He's been healing people, you know, for a pretty good while now. Think about how they're feeling about this because they're like, will he hurry up and get here? Within two days ago, he dies. That's the groaning part. Exactly. So she said her first thing in verse 21, she says, Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. I mean, which that's pain speaking, right? Because she's like, it's also every person's response to blame God or in this case, their Lord. Right. Well, wait a minute. To be upset. Because we look at death or, you know, sickness and death is like, well, wait a minute.

I'm out here. We've been with you all along. Why would you let this happen? Which I think is significant. People still do it. You find out you got cancer and you're just like, well, I mean, God, I thought you loved me. I thought I was your time. You are better off as a believer, a faithful believer, if you're on the other side.

You know, you've made it and you're like, boy, my worries have just ended. My pain is ended. My worries are ended. Whatever disease I had, foo, boy. When my daughter was diagnosed with. with the cleft lip and paladin in my wife's womb. My first response, I thought, well, why in the world did this happen?

Because I was thinking, where'd I go wrong? Where'd I go wrong? What? And I think a lot of that's coming from our pulpits. And so people, they're setting the tone for if you do everything right, you know, quote, quote, everything, you'll be blessed.

Well, it's because, Jay's, 2,000 years later, people still believe what the disciples did in John 9 when it's like, well, who messed up that this happened? What you saw at the Transfiguration, and what Jace talked about, where Jesus and Elijah and Moses are standing there in bodies on top of a mountain, just talking it over. You say, just have a little combo. The reason I believe God put that in the Bible is so that you could look at that and say, it was just Jesus saying, this is where you end up. Right. It does seem like that. We're sitting over here, we're talking it over, and you've got your bodies. It is one of the strangest things in the whole Bible. I know.

So, but here's Martha. So she speaks out in pain, like as Jay said, we all do, because you get bad news. She's her. But then look what she comes right back to them. You talk about a pivot. but I know that even now, God will give you whatever you ask. So she concluded, even though I'm upset, that you allow this to happen. That's exactly right.

Where do we go from here? So then Jesus says, your brother will rise again. So look where she immediately goes to in verse 24. Martha says, I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day. But I find that fascinating because they didn't really, Jesus had been raised yet. So she's already from being around him. Right. She has a concept.

She has concluded. And remember some of the Pharisees did you. But they were running with the disciples. And when Jesus repeatedly said, I'm going up to Jerusalem. I'm going to die. We just read it in John 5. But Phil, but if that was true, then how come they all abandon him when he actually died? Because they had second thought.

Well, because they still couldn't quite believe it. That's right. But I think she got. And after the resurrection, they all believed it. That's right. But, you know, Jason, if somebody tells you, he said, guys, look, I'm fixing the old Peter Drew's, I'm going to die. I'm going over to Shreveport. And look, they're going to kill me.

And then, you know, between. They're going to bring in law enforcement and all these crooked politicians. They're going to kill me and they're going to bury me. But in three days, I'll rise from the dead. If I told you all that, you would say, Dad's going off his rocket. He's nuts. That's what they said. Well, they thought they knew, G.

but when they heard that, even Peter jumped up there one time and said, wait a minute, that's never going to happen. You'll never do that. Like he's going to defend him. Yeah. Well, like Thomas here.

Well, let's go and die. It shows you, Jay's... The man who didn't even believe it was Jesus. That I'm not going to say it's not possible because we all believe in the resurrection. And guess what?

They think we're just as crazy. Well, I know it. But just think about the human race, how that's one. step too far. They just can't quite say. The resurrection is the litmus test. Because to them, every time they saw something die, oh, they stayed dead. But in this case, he said, oh, I'm going to die in three days. But he said it matter of factly, and he said it over and over and over. Well, when it all ended, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they tell the story. He did die.

He was buried. He was resurrected. But Al, he'd been saying that over and over from the beginning. In his defense, have been Sam Thuring. Let's take one last break. When I was in South Texas that day, Jeff took to play golf after the metal detective. And you know, I've said many times, it's not sinful

to me to drink, but you know, drunkenness is out. Unless I'm at a place where everybody's drinking, and then I don't, just because I want to fall in line with that. Yeah, I want to set the tone, you know. And so they had, in the middle of this golf course, they just had an open bar. You just go a

It was a pretty swanky deal. We went through a couple gates to even get back here. Love the course, all that. But this guy, yeah, he's tattoos all over him. Not that that means anything. But he was the bartender, you know, and he's like, what can I get you? I was like, give me some water. And he's like, no, man, look at you.

He was looking at it just the way I look. He's like, I know, you're getting crazy. You're the nutcase. He was reading your book, Jason. And he's like, I tell you, by the way, facial profiling. Night before last, I baptized a dude, and he was a drummer in a rock and roll band.

We converted one of the band members two years ago, and the band member that was converted started sharing Jesus with the drummer. And the drummer, when he, when he, they call me up. They said, well, on our way down, can you baptize this dude? I said, oh, yeah, bring him on. I had a big jambalive fix for others that day, but I said, get in now on that jam.

the lie, boys. They were from Michigan or somewhere up north. I don't know. But anyway, the drummer, he looked exactly like what you would think, a rock and roll drunker's head. So there was two or three of them and I said, I don't know, you know, I don't know, rock and roll band. I'm like, for God's the love the world. He sent his only begun son. Whoever believes in him, I said, even the rock and rollers, even the drummers. So I baptized him in the river. And the great news was he cried. Well, this guy, Phil, he said, it was a good, it was a good back to him. He said, no, seriously.

And I went, no, seriously. And I used my famous line. I said, no, man, I'm high on Jesus. And look, he looked up at me. Everything stopped then. I said, the resurrection. And look, his eyes started going like back and forth. It just like did it like five or six times.

You were watching a pinball machine, right? He's trying to process it. His eyes were like. This dude is crazy. So got back in the car, and everybody kind of got tickled. But the guys I was playing with, of course, you know,

everybody but Jeff, you know, they used them four-letter word. But I noticed after that, instead of like saying the F-word, they just said F-word. Yeah, yeah. The guy went,

I mean, F-word that. And I was like, okay, so you heard me. Yeah, they were self-sensoring. Me and Jeff got so tickled about it.

He said, is that weird? He said how he, and he kept doing it. I met him in a person visit the old duck call shop in the old day, and they're using filthy language until I brought up Jesus, and I never heard another one. Not a one. It just stuck. Well, we heard them, but we never heard the word.

It was just like effing. He would say that. And I thought, well, it's something. It's a step in the right direction. But Jets said, isn't it weird how they think you're offended? I mean, look, I'm like, if somebody's not, in Jesus, or even if they are. It doesn't surprise you.

At 50 years old, you know what? I'm not, it's not, that's not influencing me. I'm not, I've never used that lane. I'm not going to go out and cuss my wife because I heard the guy say it, you know, three, it just, it ain't going to happen. Maybe when I was younger, but, you know, just a few words, whatever. But Jeff said, it's weird of the subconscious. They heard that weird encounter with the bartender.

And then everybody thought, oh, we've got to clean up a language. we at least got to sanitize it a little bit. What is that? Somebody said resurrection. One statement, the resurrection, crazy, and then it affected everything around you. So I do want to say that just from a practical thing. That's where you want to have those conversations. Out there in the world, you know, you're not having some theological debate in a church building

and trying to figure this out. You want to affect somebody's life. You bring it up where it's more difficult in real life. life because everybody deep down, where they know, I'm going to die one day. It makes them nervous. And if you don't believe it does, why were they acting like that? That's right. You're right. So let me read this. We're about out of time. But I want to read this statement again, because Jason read it last time, his response to Martha saying, you know, I know he's going to rise at the last day, Jesus says to her, and I love this. It's one of my favorite verse in the whole Bible. I am.

and Jace, you talked a lot about the I-Am statements in the book of John. I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? And then, of course, it shows her heart. She comes back in 27 and says, yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Christ, the son of God, the Messiah,

who was to come into the world. So what I love about it is is basically Jesus says, she says in the last day, and Jesus knows he's about to raise him. And so we're going to have to do another one. Oh, we're doing it because there's a whole thing about comfort I didn't even get to. So what he's saying is it does last day, today, yesterday. When you're the God of the resurrection and the life, I mean, in other words, when you can control people living and it goes beyond that, any day is the day.

You know what I'm saying? That's why my favorite verse in the Bible is. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday. That's right. Because for years I never understood it. Right. And once I got it, I'm like, oh, it's every day. It's yesterday, today, and tomorrow all wrapped up in one.

That's why he said, I am. That's right. Which really should help us, as dad said, it really helps you as you live your life every day and you get bad news or you get tragic things that happen. You make a mistake. You make a mistake. You sin like the, the, the, the guy that asked us, how do you know?

You know if you believe in him. And that was her old deal. And she did. She was rock solid in the moment. She expressed her human tendency to say, Lord, if you know, if you had just shown up, he wouldn't be dead. But then she comes right back and says, but you know, I know you can do all things. So she's, she's in that moment, to me, it reminds us of all of our struggle.

There's a brother at church right now that's got cancer. He's a good guy, Charlie. And, I mean, he's just battling that thing day to day, you know. because it's like this is probably going to be it, but maybe not, and I'm getting a little bit better. And so my encouragement to, in reminders, look, Charlie, if cancer is what takes you now, it doesn't take, you're going to live forever. I mean, you've got to just be locked in on that resurrection.

I know it's hard when you're going through it. And probably with an audience as big as unashamed, there's some of you having some tough stuff you're going through. But if you will live this version, like Jay said, you read this a week, and there's no way you don't come out changed, you know, and impacted forever. So anyway, Hebrews 13, 8. Jesus Christ is the same. Well, Jay, so you sign that when you sign it.

That's why a lot of people are like, what does that mean? Yeah. I get that a lot. Yeah. I'm like, when you find out, your life will change. The fact that this doesn't change, once you understand that, oh, then you'll change every day. All right, so we're not quite through with John 11, so we'll pick it up here next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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