Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1353 | Jase Takes Beachwear Too Far & Zach’s Wife Wreaks Destruction on a Fancy Hotel

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Jase, Al, and Zach dig into why real love tells the truth even when it hurts, whether it’s a spouse giving wise caution, a trusted friend offering correction, or Phil once turning an awkward rebuke into a baptism. The guys discuss the danger parents may not fear enough, arguing that kids need more outdoor adventure and less unchecked access to the screens quietly shaping their hearts. Plus, Zach shares how Jill “dashered” a luxury resort in record time, and Jase defends his deeply questionable habit of wearing socks at the beach and in the pool. In this episode: James 1, verse 5; Proverbs 27, verses 5–6; Proverbs 28, verse 23; Proverbs 9, verse 8; Proverbs 13, verse 20; Proverbs 27, verse 17; Proverbs 15, verse 22; Proverbs 12, verse 26 “Unashamed” Episode 1352 is sponsored by: Download the FREE Upside App and use promo code Unashamed to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas https://chministries.org/unashamed — Get a better solution at half the cost of traditional healthcare! https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Chapters 0:00 A Man’s Truck is His Kingdom 4:15 How ‘Dasher’ Became a Verb 13:45 Jase Defends Wearing Socks at the Beach 20:39 The Reason Grown Kids Call Their Parents 27:17 The Danger Parents Aren’t Afraid Enough Of 34:01 Every Christian Needs Truth-Tellers 40:33 The Case for Pursuing Discipleship 47:20 Proverbs & Wisdom 52:03 ‘How Are You’ Isn’t a Real Question — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. It's never a dull moment on the Unashamed podcast. I've been here a while, Zach. So we did, because we did a Hillsdale yesterday as well. But we were talking about, before we came on, me trying to get Zach to tell us yesterday, on the last time we recorded a couple days ago,

about his trip. And the first, it was kind of like a really, it was like a batter, because I'm a decent, interviewer. But so I actually was interviewing, Zach. The pitch, it was too good. It's like the pitch was so, you like put it on.

Zach so used to be put down. I thought the fact that one of these parties, Al, what you're better than men, Zach? But that you're asking one of your cohorts a question? Yeah. I thought, well, this is. Because we're, Jay's telling stories. I'm telling stories because we hadn't been here altogether in a while.

So then I pitched to Zach and it's just like crickets. It was like, it's funny. I wouldn't prepare for it. And the way you phrased the question, so then we, before the podcast and the pre-podcast, at some point in the future, if we, whatever footage we got, I'm going to release the pre-podcast. We can only do that when we're sailing off into the sunset, because that would be, that would probably be our undoing. Well, then you just, yeah, you told all these hilarious stories that weren't aired about your

wife deconstructing this fancy hotel. Well, we're talking about our vehicles, because another thing about getting older and being a, uh, the creatures of your own habits and culture. You like things the way you like them. And your truck is one of those things. It's like your little, it's a small kingdom for you. Yeah, because I sat down in this chair and what was the first thing I did. Yeah, you were like, something's not right.

Somebody's messing with my chair. He's messing with my chair. And I was like, Christian. We had a podcast without you and he sat in your chair. But I'm like, that's like somebody getting in your vehicle after you've cultivated the perfect position over years. It is. And I'm not going to mention any names, but my father-in-law, when I get, he bars much up. He's back.

Not to say his name. The seat was laid all the way back. Everything was like to the extreme. I'm like, he's a gangster, man. Did you have trouble? That's what I thought. And I thought, I think he intentionally pushed these buttons trying to get out of the vehicle. What kills me is there'll be some thing I haven't even discovered about my vehicle, because about every two years I discover.

I discovered something new that I didn't know it could do, but they had activated it. And then I'm like, how did this? What is this? Where did that happen? So I had the same thing yesterday, Jay, is because my daughter, who's like five foot three drove my truck. Well, when she drives it, she takes it to the upper extreme and forward. I can't even get in it.

I'm trying to wedge my way in to hit my button, but I do have a button. I have that same experience. Not too long, God. I got to miss you. I was going to drive her car, and I was like, I can't move. And Missy said, oh, me, I was the last one to drive this. And I thought, here we go again. It's like move it back.

Jill does the same thing. But when I stepped into the, when I put the earphones on the day, all I heard you say, Jace, was, and that's when I told Larry, never again, it took me three years to get my conditions right in the truck. And he moves everything around. It took me three years. And my response to you was, just for the audience, I said, well, because y'all had different solutions. So here's another solution.

I could send you some of the dashers for like a month. And then we would just dasher your life. And you wouldn't be worried about little things. I would love to have your kids. And like I could use them as a way to get things right. It's like, you're going to have some kids. You're going to have some guests, because who doesn't love kids, right? They're going to come over and they're going to help you in life and all.

And just have them go over there and destroy everything they have. Because Dasher is a verb. Describe Zach how how Dasher is a verb. You told a good story before you. I'm a little embarrassed about it. It used to make me mad when people would say that. And the problem is, even by me participating in this with you guys, this is going to take a life of its own that will live on forever.

It's so true. It's so true. But there's a little truth in your name. Look, and look, this goes in with what I was studying last night. Because I thought, you know, I'm reading all this about action and faith and without deeds, it's dead, you know. So I thought, well, how many times this love mentioned the word for love? Y'all never going to get this right, because I got it wrong, in the book of James. Now, when I ask this question, I have a caveat.

So there's four different, you have four choices. Yeah, that's right. So I'm being in the original language. How many times is... I'm just thinking through. It's not a trick question because I know there's at least one because sometimes you ask stuff like this and it's not. But there are...

It is in there. So I'm going to say tentile. No, no, it's way lower. The agape is three times. You say, what does this have to do with what Zach was saying? But it's only used in the verb form. Oh, only the action. I thought that was fascinating.

It's kind of like the book of Acts. You know, love is never mentioned, which is shocking. But you're like, yeah, but they did it. You said to me. Yeah, because you've taught those like Acts 2 and Acts 4 so often about community and love, but you're right. It's because it was happening, but it wasn't mentioned it. And since I brought it up, the fourth mention of love,

so it's four times total because the friendship one. Yeah. where we get Philadelphia. Yeah. When he said Abraham, God called him his friend, well, it's the friendship love word. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting because it's not a noun.

That's James's point. Even in that point, you get his point. That's good. He only used Agape in the verb form. It's very unique. We've got to unpack that. There's a verb form of my name. Exactly.

So, Zach, what I think of you, you know, I think, okay, I got my set of thoughts. When I think you're your kids, I think action and destruction. It's actually more Jill now. I've realized she's part of the culprit. We got back from Italy, I should have told you that this is what I should have told them. This is what I was looking for yesterday or day for yesterday. So we land in Atlanta. And then we had, we had the way we did our trip, we did like seven days in Europe,

England and Italy flew back and then we did an like a got invited on a retreat. And so this was at a really nice place in Utah. And I mean, it was beautiful. It was right in the mountains and I mean just outside of Salt Lake City. Well, you're just traveling the globe. Oh, he is. Oh, well, we've been to Italy. What's Utah?

And look, he's talking about castles and resorts. We're not talking about bunking at the hostel. No, this ain't the, this is not. Max and Annabelle and their honeymoon, they went to an Airbnb. B&B cabin on the Ocoey River. So they spent about $120 a night on their honeymoon. We spent a little bit more than that, I'll be honest, but we have been married 25 years.

That's true. You got it. So I had to finally do it, pull the trigger. But we get to this nice resort. And within 10 minutes, Jill has pulled off and broke the door, like the doorknob to the whole door. Like she's like, I hear it like hit the ground as a heavy metal. I like, bang, bang, bang.

I'm like, what no, what is? She says, I just pulled the doorknob off. I was like, how do you? She's such a small person. I'm like, what do you do? You got both feet on the door, like, kind of like, I'm like, what do you do? See, for me, Zach, in that moment, if your wife, I mean, you're celebrating 25 years and she rips the door knob off, I would have immediately said, I'm going to stop my life and get that fixed. I was the same thing.

Yeah. The problem is, is she was trying to go out. So I don't know what that means. She wasn't trying to get in the room with me. She was trying to get out of the room. She had just been with you for one week. She's like, I got to get out of this room. And she's so, in such a hurry to get away.

She rips the door. Isn't that sad? You gave us all this castle talk about Italy and the experience in 25 years. And the whole scene after a week ended with her breaking down the door to get out. Get out. She said, let me get out of here. Which, you know, the truth is... That's funny.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that's good. That is good. And I'm having a hard time recovering on that one. Hold on a second. So what was I going to say? And then she tore something else up. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So then I'm like, well, if it's one thing, you can say, what's an accident. Within the next five minutes, I hear this click, kick, kick, kick, it's like a click. And I'm like, what in the world is that noise? Now she's broken the shades

that automatically push a button and they go down. And it's like, now that thing's not working. And it kick, kick, I'm like, you burn the motor up on the, and so then I've got to call the front desk and be like, my wife has tore up. Oh, she's like, the door's not working. So I'm going to get out the window now. I don't, I mean,

And this one, Mike it was a Motel 6 or a bar. This is one of them high-end joints. And it was a gift. I'll say that. There's anything wrong with the Motel 6. I've stayed there many times on. This was like, we're here. We're, you know, but I'm like, you know, you take.

But I just thought you, I said, you, you've just dashed this resort. You realize you've dashed this thing. It's officially a verb. So, Jay's, I don't know if you know this or not. But do you know what's the most, like, expensive week-to-week thing in your household? I have no idea. I bet Missy knows, right?

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but I'm going to. They struggle with all of them, except for me, of course. they have this problem where they'll take things that aren't disposable and they treat them as they're disposable. You know how like you would use like a paper cup? That's how they treat real cups. And so I'm like, the big dasher problem at our house is you're treating things that are not disposable as if they are.

You can actually reuse that. You can actually have that bicycle for 10 years. But you can't leave it out in a yard, just letting to get rusted. And I mean, yeah, you got to put it up. You know, your socks. Maybe it's a spiritual thing because the things of the earth. Maybe.

The things of the earth, they're like, no, I'm not going to need this in the afterlife. That's right. Because they all are very spiritual mind. You're right. Maybe they just don't care about it. That's noticism, though. They're Gnostics. That's what they're.

The problem is they're Gnostic. They'll wear a pair of socks. They'll put a pair of socks on. This happened just this morning. I said, Fred, go take the trash out. Trash man's about to be here. It just got through raining. All night.

It's just wet outside, wet concrete, wet grass. He walks out there in his socks. I'm like, no, no, no. I say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no. Go put some shoes on. The socks are not disposable. You don't wear your socks in the yard. And the first thing to you, Zach, is he's 15 years old.

You're thinking, why am I still having to tell you this? Well, at 15, let me give you some advice. You can end that conversation. I mean, don't even say it. Just let him. I mean, because I just turned 55 and then another year, 56, and I wear my socks outside when it's raining. Here's another one.

I got something else. When I get in the pool, I have my socks on, and Missy cannot stand that. She's like, why are you wearing your socks? So I'm like, I don't want my feet to get sunburned. I always wear my socks. And I have a lot of bees that visit my pool. So last time we had little man, he walked out. there without socks or shoes because he's going to get the pool, he stepped on a beat.

I was like, see, if he had I had socks on. It would have less of them. But having said that, I go through a lot of socks. That's weird. That's weird. I don't think it's weird. I saw when Jayce goes to the beach, he'll be out there in his socks on the beach. Oh, yeah, I always wear socks on the beach in the sense.

If you see a bearded fellow. I've heard of these. Well, I'm not saying. And he doesn't have socks on. It's not me. Sox on the beach, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, look, I had a date with my wife yesterday.

It's interesting. Y'all think we coordinated this, but we didn't. I actually went on a date that we traveled almost two hours to go to. Wow, a road date. Yeah. We don't see those very often. It was really fun. If you get by age and you want a date idea, this was fantastic.

Now, I... Because you know why days? Why? It's not where you're going. It's who you're going with. It's who you wish. That's true. I have to admit, I made this happen because she came to him and she's like,

I'm going to go and she named a city because I don't want y'all horning in on my place after I tell you where I went. And she said, I was like, what are you going there for? I said, I treasure hunt that around that town all the time. And she's like, well, there's a woman that I just need in my life. She's older than me. She's wise. She loves Jesus. And we've kind of been building a relationship.

And so she's like, they live on a lake. And she invited me, and I'm going to go. And I said, well, I'm going to be coming with. And she looked at me like, what? I was like, because, I mean, her house is on the lake. She's like, yeah, I said, I need to treasure hunt that yard. She's like, well, I guess I could ask her. I was like, no, don't ask her.

Tell her. My husband's coming. with me and I'll meet her husband whatever we'll have a double date you know but uh and so she's like well that'd be fun because I was dreading the drive I was like perfect so that's what we did and it was interesting because you really saw how relationships work because I didn't really factor in it's it's middle of summer here now I mean it's really not but it feels like it well it's it's the beginning that feels like the middle it's 90 degrees and the humidity is like one of the summer Any five.

One thousand and forty. Exactly. And I got out there. And look, we, we got there at noon. Warmest part of the day. Noon to six. Burn your tongue. It was like a surge of coffee.

When you said it, it literally was a surge of coffee in my mouth. We're falling apart here, Maddie. And so, but what's funny is because they went out on the lake where they'd drive by on this pontoon boat and like check on me, you know. And they're just out there in the water. And I'm just... I wanted to go jump in the water because I was so good. With your side, so. Yeah.

But this woman, what this has to do, the reason I brought it up is, you know, we're in James talking about if anybody is lacking wisdom, he should ask God for it. But when I said, why do you... Why are you pursuing this relationship? She's like, I need her wisdom in my life. And I just thought, that's a great thing for someone to be thinking. You know what that is, Zach?

Remember we had the guy on the podcast, Chris Granger, and he said, everybody needs a Paul in their life and everybody needs a Timothy. That's exactly what she's doing. Yeah. And she's had several projects coming up, and she's just like, I want to try to woo her into being a part of it. I just, of course, when I met her, I realized why. She is, she has a real Southern draw.

I know we have accents, but she has kind of the old-timey Southern draw. And when she tells the story, I mean, it is hilarious. And the wisdom pouring out from her, when we pulled in, because I said, I'm going to need to know the lines of your property. And so the first thing she does, and she's like, okay, well, this is not. neighbor here. You got, you know, no problem to this neighbor here. I just had a Jesus conversation with. Look, and tells us about it. Brought tears to my eyes the way it all went down. This is the initial getting to know you. I thought, I mean, this woman, it's like when you just got near her, Jesus things and Bible scriptures came flowing out. And I realized why my wife is here. I thought,

okay I get it but some of her wisdom she told this story to missy and missy told me we laugh because I mean we have our kids are older now I mean most of them except for a little man and she she told missus she's like you know my my because my wife had to stop they were having a Jesus conversation and my daughter who's 22 years old is like wearing her out on her on her phone so she needs something because she She's here, you know, in town. And she's like, I'm so sorry. I hate to interrupt a Jesus conversation, but my daughter's just wearing me out.

But anyway, and it was no big deal. She was actually organizing, taking a bunch of kids fishing. Well, she caught 40. I'm very proud of that. Really? My daughter organized a fishing operation with little kids, and they caught 40. It's in the blood. She was trying to get permission to use all my stuff.

because when I got to my phone, oh, it was a train of text and missed calls. But I just went all the way down through them, and it was like, well, I went ahead and got them, and I didn't tear anything up, and we caught 40. So I was like, good job, I mean. But she made an interesting wisdom. 40 brim or crappy or what?

She just said we caught 40. I don't know what that means, but I was impressed. That's impressive. That I have trained my daughter. You did well. To be able to do that. But anyway, the point I wanted to make is so Missy's new friend, she said, you know, my daughter, I mean, she's a grown woman. And she'll call and she'll, she'll, what bugs me is she'll say, how are you?

And I've already figured out that I could tell her, well, I just got kidnapped and held at gunpoint. But luckily I survived and she would say, oh, well, that's cool. Because they don't care how you are. The reason they're calling is they want something, and they want it now. But the way she framed that was hilarious. It was like, you know, you're right. And she's like, oh, that's cool that you made and survived. But I need that recipe.

I have 14 people coming over. I need your recipe for whatever, and I must ask. And the illustration was the fishing operator. She didn't need us. She figured it all out. Well, I call me three times. Why call Missy three times? I will say this, though, to be fair, it's the same way with me with my grown kids.

Because I call them. My line is not how are you? It's what are y'all doing? And it's like, oh, well, we're doing this, that and the other hell. That's good. Hey, here's what I need. I mean, like, so I call my kids, I need something. I'm not calling just a chit-chat.

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CH Ministries.org slash Unashamed. It finally made sense of your pal and the pastoral work, Mike Kellett. He used to call me, and he would ask me how it was. He'd ask me about how. How's your tigers do it? A 10 minute, yeah. I'm like, here I am. I'm telling him because I'm a talker. And then he would say, look, I need, and then he'd tell me what he needed. So he did that about three times. And finally I thought, which I didn't see the wisdom in it because I just thought,

we need to cut through that. So look, he called me and he said, hey, how's your tigers doing? I said, what do you want? Look, then he got his feelings hurt. Then he went default setting and said, oh, I was just calling to see how you weren't.

He wasn't going to ask you there. And I was like, well, I'm doing great. Call me later. And that ended the conversation. So I thought, you know, in a weird way I got out of whatever he was going to ask me to do. But he was ready to pivot.

That's a pro move. That was a pro move because I just said, what do you want? I mean, probably shouldn't have done it. That was rude, but I was pretty young back then. That's so true. So did you find anything?

Oh, I thought it may be a Civil War campground or something. That's why I want to go. It was not that. But I'll send you my picture of what I found. I found three silver coins, but they just weren't that old. It was like a 1956 dime, 1944 quarter, 1962 quarter. and I found, I did find an old casing from like the 1800s or a rifle casing. That was the oldest thing because there was a road.

I had already done the research because I had hunted in that area. So on that road, which is literally as wide as this table. Yeah. I hammered that. That's where I found the silver coins and the little bullet case. And I found a button that was probably worth more than everything else. But other than that, I found just a handful of. a double handful of modern coins. But I bagged it all up for them,

and they have a 12-year-old grandson, and I'm like, get him to clean it up, and he'll start his treasure box. I was like, kids are into that. So they thought that was fantastic, you know. I was like, here's the hot spots, get him a metal detector or something. Because I was like, I started passing out,

y'all need to fix your pants because they got holes in them, because there are modern coins all over this yard. You build a piggyback. But they thought that was a good idea for a 12-year-old to go outside. I mean, getting kids to do things that are outside that are fun that has value. And who knows, the old road, you could, you know, hunt that. That's basically what that turned into since it was in a spot that I will revisit, you know. I didn't find anything.

I thought it may. I was looking for 1800s. So there may not be a lot of date's return dates for you on that little. Oh, no, but I did. But that's part of treasure hunting, is you have to go see if, because just think, what if there had been a campground and it had never been hunting? Because it's been in their family for 50 years. So I was like, it's pretty good chance somebody's hunted this.

They hadn't because there were modern coins in every direction. So it was fun. And then we, see, then we, even though we didn't spend a lot of time to go, we rode back, and then she was telling me all this story, Jesus stories. They talked about their plans. and she actually was like, I think I'm going to write a book after that conversation. So, oh, it was good stuff. It's a perfect, perfect date for people in their fitness.

I like it when you look for, you look for people that you can mentor and people that can mentor you, which is a good thing. And I do like that idea in today's culture about exposing kids to outside. You know, I mean, we were the opposite growing up, and we were constantly outside. And now it's completely the other way. like that's what my daughters are saying take my take the kids to the beach because at least they'll do something outside because these devices that they're just

oh I mean we pushed ours outside the kids um they actually just released a song called washetal woods and it's about basically their time when we live in Louisiana we lived on 50 acres and they spent all their time out in the woods out on the land and I mean it was I mean they had a whole ecosystem and world they built out there. We didn't let them in the house.

Now we live in a neighborhood, sort of, so we're a little bit more protective over Ruth just running rampant. But she does stay outside most of the time. You know, got to get them outdoors. Got to. Some of it probably has to do with the, you know, it's just, I don't know, it always feels generally like a more, like you're a little bit more worried about stuff happening to them, whereas, I don't know, when we were young,

I guess it just wasn't as big of worry. Or maybe our parents. You remember the guy we had on the podcast who wrote the book, Anxious Generation, Jonathan Haidt, and he talked about that. He said, like, did I actually look at the evidence, and you're a lot less likely. You're not going to be kidnapped at the store, like all the, you know, the fears that everybody has with their kids. He said, that's actually probably not going to happen. And we haven't, he said, we have this weird cultural moment where we've amped up all of our fears when it comes to things that aren't going to happen. But the things that could happen are right here on this black box.

they're on the screen. Yeah. That's a real threat, what your kids are getting access to. And now we have, we don't have enough fear. So it's like we're introducing them to real danger,

and then we're not, and then we're keeping them away from things that aren't actually that dangerous. Yeah, it's actually, it's a weird cultural phenomenon. It's a great point. But if you think about it, if the evil one who is,

you know, obviously from everything was in the Bible, is adaptive to culture, then of course he would, created a situation where you think you're being safe, but you're really in danger, you know, and you're living in fear, which, I mean, there's so many, there's so many texts about not living in fear. Really, it's just, it's not really thinking God's going to take care of your kids. So, yeah, I mean, that's some. Well, it made me think about, uh,

wisdom also in that when, when James says, if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God. but I also noticed that even in my life it made me think you need a group of people in your life who will tell you the truth and especially when you're doing any kind of project that I mean I just look back on my life you know with doing the treasure hunting show and you know I had a nucleus of people I was asking what they thought and yeah because when you think about making good decisions and especially godly ones because I mean the prerequisite for

my inner circle is they got to love Jesus but it was fascinating because on the way back my buddy from Kansas I talk about all the time he called me and he had had a Bible study and he had had this situation come up and we

basically what she was pursuing she just saw I have this guy that we talk about things that make you wise Because I'm going to tell him the truth, and he'll do the same with me. So what I did was I looked up just proverbs, because how I'm studying the book of James, which is, I think, the more important part as far as rather than what we think about the book of James,

of course, we could obviously be wrong. but how we study is something that I think people can get a lot out of. Right. Because when I just read the book of James without any interference or leading, I thought, sure seems to be a lot about the sermon on the mound in here, and there seems to be a lot about wisdom and how that shows itself in what you say and do. but so I looked up these proverbs about having these kind of relationships these uh wisdom relationships proverbs 27 five and six says better is an open rebuke than hidden love so just think

about relationships in your life and and getting wisdom from that it's better because it's hard to when somebody's you know I'll be on having a conversation with somebody and they're telling me what they think what they're doing. I'm thinking, uh, this, this, this, this, well, it's hard to say that. Yeah. It's hard to say, I think you're off on this one. That's not hard for me anymore to say that with my inner circle people, because I'm like, this is the relationship we have. We want to, we want to do godly things and put things to to the test to make sure this is what's better or the best way to do it. So, because hidden. Love, what is that?

There's no love. Hidden love? I think that's James' point by using love as an action. But then it says, Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but profuse are the kisses of an enemy. Just think of the picture that it's giving you there. Somebody's coming up there and telling you everything you want to hear all the time.

Yeah. You might are to, these are wisdom things. And you can tell when someone's working you. You know what I'm saying? Like for money or for whatever, you know, you can tell, you know. And having said this, when you think rebuke, you think some altercation, you know, the rebuke just seems like such a harsh word. I was always scared of that when I was young in the faith.

I was like, oh, yeah, I got rebutt, you know, like it's going to be. But you do it in love. You speak the truth in love. You just say, look, here's what I'm studying, and here's what I'm thinking. This might be better. But you need those people in your life is what I'm. what I'm getting at. If you don't have at least five, I just don't think whatever project you're involved,

it's not going to be as good as it could be. And the first obvious one in your inner circle is the one you lay next to every night. I mean, listen to when they did. Exactly. And it takes years to get to that point. Exactly. I bought a lot of properties over the years out. You guys have, now that leases in real estate, you guys seem like you are buying and selling all the time.

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that Jill has, she does see things that I don't see. And I see things that she doesn't see too, but like the lot used to make me mad and she would say something that I was extremely excited about. And we're going to do this thing. And she's like, eh, I'd be careful. And she'll throw out a thing. And I'm not saying she's right 100% of time, but there's been a lot of times that I look back and think, I wish I'd listen to you.

And I think she'd say the same thing. But, Jay, so I was going to say what's interesting about what you were saying to. I think this is a key point about discipleship is a lot of times we do the, like if we view that as like someone needs to come find me and disciple me. And then we get mad and we're like, well, no one, you know, no one's, no one's like speaking into me. Nobody's pouring into me, you know, and I've made that complaint before. But the truth is, is that really as a, as someone who's following Christ, like it is on me to go and seek out discipleship and seek out and invite people to speak into me and over me.

And I don't give that to everybody, to your point. but you have to be known and you have to actively seek out those kind of relationships in your life, particularly like, because if you don't, and you guys have seen this, like in success or fame is a big one, if you don't have those people in your life, then what's going to happen is you're going to have other people that are going to come in your life and they're going to scratch your ears and you get in this feedback loop where it's like you're not in reality. You see it all the time with famous people. And the ones that are healthy are the ones who have invited people into their lives.

And they tell me the truth. Even if it upsets me, tell me the truth. And then having that core circle where you can have that more radical candor to speak freely and to be challenged. And that's a big, but you have to invite that in, I think. I don't think it necessarily. I think you have to pursue. I mean, one of my best friends, Trent, who we've had on the podcast, who preached it. And that would be a far for a year.

Yeah. I pursued him, and he was like acting weird about it because we have nothing in common outside of, I guess, our wives love each other. I mean, he is a yuppies, yuppie. But he likes the idea of what I do. And, you know, now that we're really good friends, he's dipped his toe in the water some.

But he was like, whoa, why do you keep texting me? I was like, well, I need you in my inner circle. I kept telling that. Yeah. He was like, I was like, you don't have any money. So why don't you just come with me on my trips and be my bodyguard? Because he's a big guy. Well, he's a big guy.

He looks like he could take a bullet. Well, and he had a career in the, you know, the fighting, whatever they call that. In the MA, yeah. Yeah, which he was 0 and 1. And he. So my career. He went out there and in 20 seconds got pumbled and said, you know, I think I need to do something. Well, and he wasn't sure.

about it and Kierenson basically told us she said you keep doing this I'm out of here because I'm not going to watch you get pummeled but I said you know I actually have to fight you just look like you can that's all I need it's like because he's a brick wall oh he loves to work so he finally got it one day because I said look I need because you're a counselor you know and I'm I'm dealing with so many situations just in a normal Jesus sharing conversation I need you on my Rolodex I don't want to be paying you $150 an hour every time, you know, when you make it big. But he would laugh like, I was like, he's like, you're serious. I was like, yes, you have a lot of skills that I need.

When I don't, when I have a wisdom problem in a certain situation in relationships. And so, but I'm willing to give to this relationship. You know, I'm giving you a job. I'll, whatever we want to do. And I love your wife. I love your family. I love your kids. Well, it's funny, fast forward 10 years.

Look, we've gone, I've gone to their place in Colorado multiple times. We've met up halfway. I mean, we've cried together, prayed together. We've just become great friends. And so, and like our group texts, it's frequent and often. But that wasn't going to just happen. It wasn't going to happen because if you were just basing it on every day what you have in common. But I love that, in fact, he'll take me on if he disagrees.

I love that. That's what I want. I want to hear something different to test whether I'm right. I actually looked this text up because the other night I was actually playing cards. And a guy said this about his wife, and I sent a text to myself because I thought it was a good line. He said, my wife is often wrong, but never in doubt. when he said it, everybody just stopped. And I thought, what did he mean by that?

I had to think, often wrong, but never in doubt. Because the word doubt, I knew this James one where it was like when you pray, you shouldn't doubt. And I thought, then we all laughed. Yeah. I thought, oh, I get it. She's bringing it. And I'm disagreeing. but she's passionate about it, and he don't even want to interrupt.

I thought, I'm not sure that was the greatest compliment, but I think that's really how we are a lot of times, and you need people in your life saying, Jase, you're way off on this. What was John Luke's line about Constantine? It was something similar to that. You all remember yesterday? He said he was a new Christian, you know,

and he said he did so many things wrong, but he was very passionate about it or something like that. Exactly. But I think that in our prayer life, you know, when it says, because I guess we could read this. I was going to give those other proverbs, though, about relationships. So yeah, Proverbs 2833.

Because I like that hidden love concept. People, why would you hide love? That's such a great thought, because I thought about it before, somebody will do something and you'll think, man, I need to tell them, I appreciate that or whatever. I mean, you're thinking the right thing and expression to build somebody up. Why not make sure you do that? Yeah, what good is hidden love?

Hidden love, it doesn't do anybody anymore. Look, you know what Hidden Love is? It's some title of a movie that you shouldn't be watching. You know, it's something wrong. Yeah. So that's what it is. Yeah, socks on the beat. But my point is when you read these Proverbs, you see, this was the backdrop of James

writing, because listen to this. Proverbs 2823. Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue. James spent a whole chapter about that tongue and flattery and same concept. Proverbs 9, 8, correct a wise man and he will love you. Just think about that statement. Correct a wise man and he'll love you. You'll be a priest.

This is like mind bending. That's why you start reading Proverbs. You're like, is this inspired? I remember asking that. Yeah. I thought some of these things seem a little deep. Which, you know, we told the story. Zach, you weren't on here.

We told the story because Jace actually added to the story that I've heard my whole life about the man who called Duck Commander and said G.D. And Jace was the original. Well, multiple times. Yeah. Right. Jace brought it up. Like, why did you do?

I took the call. And then he called back. And then Jay said told Dad, dad, dad's like, hey, you need to get over here and get it. Oh, exactly. Phil. But this man wound up, like, listening, calling back and saying, I'm coming. And he did. The next day.

And became a believer over a rebuke. Because that was a rebuke. That's what it was. It was a rebrew. I gave him an awkward. I basically just said, I wanted to plant a seed. And I said, look, I know you used that phrase all. lot, but we actually believe God is real, and we worship and serve him. I just wanted to let you

know that. And it was just crickets. And okay, thanks for the order. But then started working on his conscience, and he called back, but I was gone. So Phil answered. But I had told Phil the stars like, this guy with every other word out of his mouth. And, you know, Phil is, well, it was so shocking to me because Phil took that to another level and it's like, get over here. And we'll tell you why my son said that. And he did. That's what I was so shocked about. It never entered my mind, which I think my dad was more wise than that. What if he does want to come? Yeah. Of course, a lot of people don't want to say that because it's like, what if he does come? What are we going to do? What are we going to say? And he shared Jesus with him and he baptized him in his yard and his buddy. His

buddy was just collateral damage. Yeah, he was just going with him. In a good way. Yeah. Stop what you're doing because we got a deadline coming up, Al. So it's June the 15th. That's the last day. So write it down June 15th.

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And then once you take the course and complete it, you upload your certificate at watchunashamed.com. There are two websites there, and then you'll be entered in for the drawing. Monday, June 15th. It's the last day to enter, so you need to finish the course and upload your certificate by Monday. We can't wait to find out which one of you guys wins and get to meet you in person. Well, we talked about this, that we were talking about in the early Christianity about some of the early Christian leaders. And we were calling them wilderness guys, and people would go and seek them out. You know, the idea sometimes is to withdraw.

Jesus did that a lot, but then the people will find you if there's something worth finding. I don't know how this will intersect with the Hillsdale episodes we're doing on Friday, but that was one of the interesting things to think about before Christianity really got institutionalized, which would have been, you know, under Constantine. It was a completely viral movement that in a place like Rome that was super hostile towards Christianity, it grew to encompass 40% of the, the population. Yeah.

You know, and you think about that, like, how did that happen? I think people, even, even, I mean, just think about it, even in persec- under that kind of persecution, the longing for eternity that people have in their hearts, that, like, people will seek that out. I think, I think that's the thing is, are you prepared to receive that seeking? Are you asking God to send you those people? Are you, like, because with the evangelism that went down with Phil, when he was, was alive and the and jacu and those years you're talking about i don't remember it wasn't like

we weren't like going out trying to find people they it was they they they they come it's like the old uh movie filled of dreams if you build it they'll come if i think if you're filled with the spirit and you're ready to go like they're going to come like people will come you know what mean yeah it's just recognizing that you're around humans it they're all around you just have to initiate the conversation. Yeah. I mean, I've taken that one seriously. I mean, I do that.

If somebody's in a airshot, but even people in my family, and I don't mean like my immediate family, but, you know, the families go long and distant. But every time there's a problem, Macy said this yesterday, actually, in the truck where we were coming home. She's like, I noticed something about you. Every time somebody is being a problem,

you give them a sermon. And I thought, yeah, that's my go-tip. It's like if they're being ridiculous, they come in. And so we had a family member on her side. It was just being ridiculous. And they were at our house. And nobody agreed with what they were. Like everything they're telling us in this story, I'm thinking, nope, wrong.

I was thinking, not godly. This is. And so I just couldn't help it. I mean, I started and it went for 30 minutes. And the whole narrative changed. Because I was bringing up. So it's not a partial sermon. It's a full sermon.

Well, it was all Bible scriptures. And without saying, you're dead wrong. I didn't say that. Right. I just said, you know what? I found something fascinating that I think this will help you in this situation. Well, all these verses were the exact opposite response. But without knowing it, they were like, this is very encouraging.

I needed to know then. And I'm like, so, because we were talking. So sometimes you can reprove and do it like that. Without them even knowing. Right. And then they just accept that. Because she was kind of confessing. She was like, I mean, you rose to the occasion.

That's the phrase. She said, you rose to the occasion on that. Because I was mad and they were thinking, what are they talking about? No. But it was like, then you gave them, gave them the firepower. to deal with it, and they didn't even realize you were rebuking them. I was like, I think so. I was like, well, that's my go-toe, because I just can't, I can't sit here and listen to nonsense.

Let's do something about it. Right. I want to get these verses in because they get better as we go along. So then Proverbs 13, 20, whoever walks with the wise becomes wise. Well, there you go. Yeah. But the companion of fools will suffer harm. Yeah.

Who you write him with. Yeah, we see that. So then we all know this from Proverbs 2717. This is what all the football players, they think it was written to football players. Iron sharpens iron and one man sharpens another. Yeah. That was just written to humans. Not just people who play football.

Or can tear the phone books and have in the rebar. Yeah. Proverbs 1522, plans fail for lack of counsel. but with many advisors they succeed. My daughter underlined that one. That's a good one. Because we work with a lot of young couples, and we're like, well, who's in your life that's helping you?

100% of the time is like, me, myself, and I, I mean, they're not seeking wise counsel. Or back to that previous one, a lot of times young couples, especially, they're people, their advisors are people that are in the same, struggle that they are. So then it's just more like a commissory sex, you know. Well, especially now in raising kids and with all the weird things that are happening

in public schools. And I mean, Missy and I was talking about that. That's why, like, even that little silly story I told about the woman talking about your older kids, they don't care how you are, you know. I mean, she was playfully, jokingly saying that. But that was some truth in that. But that you, which made a lot of sense to us. I was like, you're right.

I mean, that was wise to say, don't get your feelings hurt because your older kids don't really care how you're doing. It's just a way it is. Right. They need something. Yeah. And they don't want to just say, I need something from you right now. They're trying to be pleasant. How are you?

Like, do you skip to the chase. But what I was going to say is, that's like you say in the story. You say, man, you nod and you say, how's going? Pretty good. I mean, they may be having the worst day of their life, but do you really care? day in church. You're not going to say, how you doing? It's like, well, last night, you know, I spent two hours watching porn and then I had a huge argument. That's never going to happen. We're like, oh, I'm fantastic. If they did, we'd be so shocked. We probably would be. Well, then we were like, I don't

know what to say. But we just play a game. Yeah, let's go find a pastor. We're all playing games here. Yeah, yeah. And that's what, that's the heart of the sermon of the Mount. When you get into the giving of the needy and praying and fast, and he's like, taking three great, fantastic things and saying, be careful that you're not doing this and playing a game coming across like you are into this, but not for the right reasons. So, all right, Proverbs 12, 26 is the last one I have. Perfect timing. One who is righteous is a guide to his neighbors, but the way of the wicked leads them astray. and I just think that comes to the love your neighbor,

which is a big part of chapter two. So, yeah, I think wisdom, obviously you ask God first. Yeah. But I think every disciple of Jesus, you need to pursue people who are helping whatever project you're involved with. And I like it because in verse 5, which is what you just did, if any of you lacks wisdom, He should ask God to give generously.

And part of that is where would you go? Well, how about the wisdom literature, which you just did? Yeah. I mean. Because I think at the heart of this book of James is loving God and loving your neighbor, which was the love. I didn't say that. But the three times the agape verb, one, twice it's used in loving Jesus.

It says those who love him. Yeah. And the other one is loving your neighbor. Yeah. But those are action. Action. He's focused on the action part of it. It's like being dashed.

Being dashed. We now know what that means. So just as a call back to where we started. All right, we're going to pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.