Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1390 | Socialism & Communism Are Scams—This Bible Verse Proves It

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

Jase, Al, and Zach trace the roots of socialism, scarcity, and abortion back to a worldview that rejects God’s design for humanity. Zach argues that socialism runs against the Biblical command to cultivate, create, and expand, while Jase connects that same survival mindset to ancient child sacrifice and the modern lie that children are liabilities. Al examines Jesus’ warnings about Gehenna and shows how the Bible ties justice to the way people treat those made in God’s image. In this episode: Genesis 1:28; Genesis 3:15; Jeremiah 17:27; Isaiah 66:24; Matthew 1:1; Matthew 1:18-19; Mark 9:42-50; Luke 1:14; John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Ephesians 2:1-3; James 1:5-27; James 5:1; 2 Peter 1:3-4; Revelation 22:1-5 “Unashamed” Episode 1390 is sponsored by: https://homechef.com/unashamed — Get 50% off and free shipping on your first box plus free dessert for life! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Chapters 00:00 Zach’s Hefty Bill Triggers a Reality Check 05:13 The Childhood Fear Behind Zach’s Anxiety 11:15 The Dark History Behind Gehenna 17:31 Survival Instincts Under the Evil One 21:08 God’s Commands & the Path to Flourishing 25:42 The Hidden Greek Word in James 31:24 The Commands Are Good for Us 37:39 What Jesus Really Meant by the Fires of Hell 42:50 The Hoarding Mindset Behind Fear & Scarcity 47:09 Why the Tongue is a Fire of Gehenna — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Now listen, you who say today or tomorrow, we'll go to this or that city and spend a year and make some money. Well, you don't even know what'll happen tomorrow. What is your life? You're a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, if it's the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that. There you go. Well, here's the deal. I've never had an insurance flame. I got my app up right now.

I got someone to give you another one. No, I'm just saying. And why do you worry about clothes and about life? What you eat or drink or about your body? Look at the birds of the air. They're not so. Your father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

Who of you about worrying can add a single hour to the? his life. Don't worry and say. If you would have told me that back, if you had said that 15 years ago, then it would admit more. Right now, I'm on a hard time of year. For the pagans run after these things.

And your Heavenly Father, he knows that you need them. Oh, Lord, Jesus. Seek first the kingdom and His righteousness. And these things will be given to you as well. Therefore, don't worry about tomorrow. For tomorrow, it'll worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble

of itself. I'll let that land. Channeling the spirit of Phil Robertson today on the Unashamed podcast is his son Jace, responding to Zach's queries and worries over his car insurance with his, we just had bear on the last

podcast, and apparently that's got Zach looking at his insurance bill. No, I got the text update, your insurances do. My app sends it to me, and I'm like, so I've opened up the app, and I'm like, whoa, okay. This is big boy insurance time now. We're not in Kansas anymore.

You happen to be seated next to the young man that is helping skyrocket those insurance costs because once they get a couple of claims on there. Interesting enough, Zach, the brother in humble circumstances ought to take pride in his high position. The one who is rich should take pride in his low, low position because he'll pass away like a wild flower. You don't want to be a wildflower, Zach. Well, you look up, you're there. The insurance payment got you, and then guess what? The flower died.

No. Yeah. I'll receive it. But at the same time, I'm going to receive that. But at the same time, it stings a little bit. You know, the sin has a sting to us. I feel the sting of it. And when Bear was sitting there, I am super proud of him.

Yeah. But then every time I get like that, you know, that's the thing about like when it's the reminders, right? You said, oh, I know that was a year and a half ago, you know, well, the first one was, but we're going to get over it, though. Everybody should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry. Look, so here's what you need to do. James 5-1, now listen. Be quick to listen.

Now, then he says, listen, you rich people, weep and well. Remember when we did that little bit? about the Greek word is actually an audible sound of an animal howling. We've been, oh, so you need to do that. Just walk around. Next time you look at your bill, just go, oh, and then read James 5.1 because of the misery that is coming upon you. Come on.

I've been too much steak and money and the lack that. Thereof. Your wealth has rotted. Maws have eaten your clothes. Go check your closets. It's a bridge to nowhere. If you put everything in that, you're going to be disappointed. It's the sins of my father and my mother.

Like you've got to keep in mind. Well, you probably know this. You grew up poor. I grew up poor. And my mom, when I was in the sixth grade and she took me to buy them, I've told this story before many times. And she's buying me the story. Spalding, which was the generic.

That's the ones, it wasn't the Reeboks or the Nikes. And they were like $19. I still remember the price of them. And she was crying because that was too much money. And I was like, well, I mean, we're not getting the generic stuff. Like, I'm embarrassed to wear this to school. You're not getting Nike. No, I'm not even getting Nike.

Spalding. Yes, that's kind of stuck in me. So then you carry that forward, that fear. But you are right. You're not going to add a single day. you're not right the scripture's right you're not going to add a single day to your life by worrying about that didn't that something that's all right i'm going to let it go then i'm going to let it go while you were gone we uh went down a bear cave in the in the book of james i'm really not even

sure how it got started i was looking at a word about the different kinds of animals and the english translations are so off on some of this stuff where it's like You tame the animals. He's using this illustration. It's not that you tamed them because Genesis 9, God made them wild so that they could survive. And so that was kind of the narrative is that we go back to the garden and realize death came into play. And animals were just little lovely companions back. They didn't fear and they weren't wild towards humans.

and when the spiritual forces of evil came to the planet and got hooked up with human beings, it turned into such a violent society that the Lord God had to literally send a flood in judgment, and he chose a family. And a few of the animals, each of its kinds, that word for nature, and start over. But after that, he built in two things, one toward the animals, one toward the humans, to keep this from happening and again.

And so one thing is he made the animals wild. And so James' point is, even though they're wild, we have managed to subdue them. Yeah, I mean, now what he's, his point is, we've overcome them. We've caught sharks. You know, but that doesn't mean you take a shark and put it in your pool and try to be lovey-dovey with him.

You know why? He's wild. He will eat you. His instinct of survival. Well, you were talking in the last podcast because you brought that up, Al, and you brought up the Romans one passage, which I've always used that passage too. I've always thought that it's a little hot take here, but having a pet snake is unnatural. because of what you just said. People have pet snakes, but I'm like, that's not natural.

We don't need to be having pets. It is. Well, it's unnatural based on what happened on Genesis 9. So if you do that, if you have a pet snake, don't be shocked if you wake up standing before God because he wrapped his little scales around you and choked you and killed you. Same thing with the bears. I'm going to go live with the bears. And guess what?

They don't see him anymore. And then he stands up. But in this text, though, but in this text, though, James 1, or James 3, he says that the reptiles can be tamed. That's my point. You think that means caught. Well, you missed the podcast. Go back two podcasts ago and listen to it.

No, I don't think it. I looked at the Greek. It's a military term used, you know, half the time. That word, the Greek word for tame. So it's subdue or domesticate, but it's not, his point was we haven't domesticated all the animals. He was just saying, we have overcome. the wildness of animals, and yet you can't overcome the use of your tongue.

That's his point. He took the crazy thing, go to a zoo and then tear down all the fences. You have a good chance of overcoming them just because you're a human and you're smart and you can use weapons. You can be a hunter. I think I could survive if that happened because I live in the wild. But I'm going to tell you, I might not pull it off. but in some capacity as human beings,

we pretty well got them all in order. Most of the people who die from animal deaths, they shouldn't have been trying to pet a cougar. It's like the alligator man. Like, you know, he was always, you know, this one dad used to go. Crocodile man. Crocodile man.

He was always like interacting with these dangerous creatures and he pulled it off for a long time until a sting rape, you know, got him in the chest. and then that was it. It was like, well, that's not the one you think would have taken him out either. I mean, you would have picked the rattlesnake, you would have picked the cobra, you'd have picked the crocodile. I wouldn't pick the sting right. Well, right, but I mean, they're dangerous.

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is with humans, he also made a law. So he gave a little food law about don't, now you can hunt the animals, but don't eat the animal with the lifeblood in it, You know, the life bud is sacred. And he was setting a precedent through law so that we wouldn't kill each other and kill all the animals. Because if they weren't wild, his point was, and I'm deducting that,

but I don't know why else he would have done that. But he did it because the earth had become so violent. He had to send a flood and start over. So then he made the animals wild, but then he said, if you take a human life, you've got to give your life. There's going to be some capital punishment here, life for life. So that fear, at least in the back of people's minds, when he was going to set up nations and all this and have laws,

because if you don't have that, we're just going to kill each other. You get mad in a second, and people are still doing it. But if you didn't have any laws, if it wasn't against the law to, if you take a life to somehow give your life, well, we'd just be, there'd be way more murders, what I'm saying, if you took out those laws. So he introduced that, and by doing that, he introduced a way to one day bring Jesus,

who would go through that process, shed his blood, and give his life to destroy death itself, which is what I find fascinating about this. But I'm not- Which I've always about one of the things he introduced that, thought too, Jason, and we mentioned this before, that we were made in the image of God. That kept coming up over and over, which makes us different. And whereas evolution says the opposite, like we come from these animals.

Well, you're right. Where we launched, Al, I should have read that. Where this all launched from was James 3.9, when he said, with the tongue, we praise the Lord and Father. And with it, we curse men who have been made in God's life. likeness. The problem is in our American theology denominationalism, which is I went down this bear cave, and I subtracted that from the equation. I said, I don't want to know any denominational view of these passages or where I just want to know the grammar, the context, and the overall

Bible narrative. And it made me discover something I'd never seen before, which is the evil one took that survival instinct that God placed on animals and humans about there's consequences. And it's all about, you know, you having this will to survive, which you see it with people, even, you know, when they have a car wreck or, you know, people do extraordinary things out of the motivation of trying to survive. But the evil one takes that, that survival instinct that God put in us and the consequences of taking another life, all that. He takes that, that fear of death and that survival instinct,

and he makes, he gives you ideas about how to abuse other people so that you can flourish. And that's going to lead to why James is the only person outside of Jesus to use the word hell as the word Gahena. And now we did a little bit of that before because Gahena is a strange word. It's basically a transliteration. Well, well, it is, but I'm saying if you read the word, it's a Hebrew word used with Greek letters.

It's like we transliterated a word from a word that had already been transliterated. And you say, what does all that mean? If you boil it down to what the word actually is, It's a valley of Ben Hamon. Yeah, yeah. And there's a guy that was his name, and there's a valley.

You can go over and look at it. It's still there today. What happened in that valley when you read in the book of Chronicles, Kings, and then Jeremiah has a prophecy about it, King Ahaz was sacrificing a bunch of babies in this valley and setting them on fire. In a way to survive.

this survival instinct because that logic was we're trying to appease the gods because even though he believed in the one God, he also believed in other gods and he was trying to take the one God and say, let's make this work.

You know, we're going to sacrifice people so that you will bless us. Well, that's the survival instinct functioning under the spirit of the evil one. It's basically to hell with everyone else. which the whole book of James is that theme. How you treat people is a direct correlation with your relationship with God. We're all made in the likeness of God.

And so that's been watered down in American denomination. There are groups of people that says, nope, you're born bad. They come up with all these little bumper sticker phrases. You know, the root is bad, even though it doesn't have the fruit till later. So they're like, they come up with phrases like born into sin. So I took that word that James used in James 3 because he had described the cycle of death as in, no, you started all fine. But then desire came and that gave, that conceived once you make a choice.

And I'm interjecting choice there because a conception has to have two things coming together. This process that results in sin, which is missing the mark, which results in death. And then he says, for every good and perfect gift is from above, he chose to give us birth, you know, and you're like, well, that's the new birth. But I found something interesting now that I didn't go down the rabbit hole before we get into what the Gahena, why that's in here. And James uses what Jesus used that illustration of Gahena, this valley of Haman. He used it like 10 or 11 times. Jesus did. He used to 11 times, Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Yeah, and he used it in on the sermon on the Mount, look, talking about even being angry with your brother. Yeah. And he was like, that's set on, that's set on the fires of Gahanna or hell. Because what happened at that valley is then once King Ahas did that, Jeremiah says, there's going to be justice for that. You can't use your survival instinct to kill children. And so, yeah, I'm going to allow other nations to end up. of Jerusalem, and this is God talking through Jeremiah, and you're going to be cast in to the fire pit that you put the children in.

So that's why Jesus is using that as an illustration of hell or Gahanna. It's saying that you will stand before God, and even if you're angry with your brother, you're going to stand before him. There's justice coming. And he uses that as something in their culture. everyone was familiar with what happened at the Valley of Haman. And that's his point. And James is saying, with the tongue, we praise our Lord, and with it we curse men who have been made in his likeness.

Then he goes on to say, or before he said that, where is it where he says set on fire by hell? That's in verse six. Well, read five and six. Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boast. consider what a great force is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire. A world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person.

Now, you see this phrase, course of life? This is very interesting. The exact translation is the wheel of birth. we'll talk about that you set the whole course of life or will of birth on fire and is itself set on fire by hell

and he uses that word Gehenna so we go back to that story that I just relayed and you say there's justice coming and what is this whole point how you're treating other

people are you doing it from an earthly bitter envy James 3 14 that comes from the evil one verse 15 such wisdom does not come down from heaven but is earthly unspiritual of the devil so jace you and missy have been involved in the pro-life movement taking care of a child that was in a situation where a mom wasn't sure what to do yeah and thank the lord that she decided to give birth to this little man, and he's become part of our family. And it's just a reminder of how awesome life is, and that we all at one time were in our mother's women. Exactly. And our good friends at Preborn, that's what they're asking us to do. Women facing unplanned pregnancies are often pushed to making decisions quickly before they have a moment to pause and to breathe and to hear the truth about life and about hope. Let's not stay quiet. Let's stand together for truth. At pre-

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He's twelve down from Solomon. You think, where did all this start? He's sacrificing the foreign gods, and he's sacrificing children. But that started with Solomon because when he was sacrificing, I think, to bail, where Solomon was sacrificing the Molek, but it's the same, like it's the same type of idolatious worship. So here's what's interesting about that to me and how this kind of ties full circle with the James passage is, because you had mentioned that like we've, we're exercising dominion and cultivation.

We're having, we're exercising our reign over the animals. We're taming them. We're putting them in zoos. We're, you know, we catch the shark, so to speak. And he said, why can't you do that with your tongue? And so this all goes back to Genesis again. It goes back to the whole mandate in Genesis. If you understand that Genesis was a, in Genesis, Eden was a temple.

So Eden's our first temple. And so God looks at the temple. And the commandment is, your job, Adam and Eve, is to take the temple. And I want you to expand the borders of the temple. And you just keep pushing the borders out of the temple. until the temple, the garden, till it spreads across the entire globe. And the way that you're going to do this is you are going to,

you're going to make babies, not kill babies, right? You're going to make babies. You're going to be fruitful and multiply. And then as you're making babies, those babies along with you, you guys are going to keep cultivating and expanding your dominion. You're going to rain over the entire earth. And so what happens in sin, and this is, I got this from NT, right, sin and idolatry, all really idolatry is, which is to offer a sacrifice to Molek, to offer sacrifices to bail, as Ahaz did.

All that really means is it's to take the things that you were supposed to have dominion over and instead let them have dominion over you. It's just it's the great exchange. Romans chapter 1, it's to say, I'm supposed to be exercising dominion over creation, but what I'm going to do is I'm going to give the creation that dominion to then master me. And so I don't think it's an accident that when you do that, why does it always, every single time when you elevate the creation over God and you let the creation have dominion over it, why does it always end in child sacrifice every single time? And Mollah, it ended in child sacrifice.

And bail, it ended in child sacrifice. In 2006, it ended in child sacrifice. We murder how many babies a year, 1.6 million babies a year. I mean, this is what it leads to. So then when you get to James, and this is important, what James is saying here, based on what I think you're right on all this, when he says to tame your tongue, how can you not tame your tongue? He's saying, don't, like, God, your tongue, you're supposed to have dominion

of your tongue. You're not supposed to give that dominion over to your tongue to rain over you. You're supposed to reign over it for the purpose of expansion of life and expanding the temple across the globe. And that's what ultimately will be fulfilled in the new heavens and the new earth. Because when you turn to the very last chapter of the Bible, Revelation 22, and it talks about the new city that's coming, the new Jerusalem coming out of heaven. There's going to be the tree in the middle, you know, there's going to be the leaves of that tree were for healing bombs to the nation. There'll no longer

be anything accursed anymore, but the throne of God and the lamb will be in it and his servants will worship him. They will see his face. This is what we're headed towards. His name will be on their foreheads and night will be no more. There will be no need for light of lamp or son.

For the Lord will be their light. And here's that last little verse here. And this is what we'll do. And they will reign forever and ever. They will have, we will have the dominion again. So now as participants in his kingdom, like if we're giving over that dominion to the things that were created and including our own tongue, that is idolatry. And that's why it is where it is.

Okay. I'm dying to get into this. So I want to give this little rabbit hole within the bear cave. So when I read that in James 3 About the wheel of birth I got something that's going to blow your doors off Tell me where that's at again James 3 6

But it's also Look it's also In James chapter 1 What's the actual word Oh no Oh you're not don't don't tell him now Because I want this to be set up To be because I told Al yesterday

I was about to tell him. Don't tell him yet. I want as much build up for this as you can possibly get. Because in my study of the word nature, which in this case with that word, the fuses is kinds, the circumstances revolving around your birth. You're either Jew or Gentile. I went to Ephesians too.

People go there, and to get back to this heresy that says that we're born into sin, they go to that verse in Ephesians 2, 3, and says, we were by nature objects of wrath. That word nature is Phusis. But if you read the first three verses of Ephesians 2, he's making a comparison to the Gentiles, because he says, and as for you,

you were dead in your sins and transgressions. And it's all these actions. It's that cycle of sin that happens that you're following the ruler of the spirit of the air, you know, the evil one. you walked in these ways you were disobedient and then it says and we so then he shifts to the to the jews we did the same thing and it comes back to paul making the same illustration in galatians four which we really didn't get into because that same word is used in galatians two for the jews galatians four for

the gentiles and he makes the same point whether you had the law and didn't keep it or whether you served other gods, he basically says in chapter three and chapter five, we're all one in Christ. There's no Jew. There's no Gentile. That's his point in that use of the word nature. Now, there's another word for nature that has a different meaning, and I'm fixed to share it with you. It's found in James 3, so he says it there.

It's only used five times. Three times talking about Jesus, and I'm going to read every one of them, and twice, James uses it about us. He says it there. When you don't use your tongue properly, it becomes a fire, a world of evil among the parts of your body.

It corrupts the whole person and sets that phrase in the NIV it says the whole course of his life. Some says the will of his birth. It's also used, whatever the word is, we haven't revealed it yet,

is also used in chapter 1 in verse 23. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face. Same word. I know that's a crazy thing because you're like in the NIV, it says course of life, and now it says looks at his face in the mirror. So you say, what is that word? You know what it is in Greek?

Genesis. That's the word for birth beginning, physical birth. Now the other three times it's used in this odd. The first verse of the New Testament, the first verse of the New Testament, Matthew 1-1, the record of the genealogy. That's the word Genesis of Jesus Christ. The next time it's used, is in Matthew 119.

Now, the birth, the birth, the genesis of Jesus Christ. The other time it's used, Luke 114, many will rejoice at his birth, at his genesis. Jesus becoming a human, think John 1-1, and the word became flesh. twice by Matthew, once by Luke, he used the word Genesis. The new beginning. God has become a man. What's interesting, when you take all of what James is saying

about every good gift comes from above, why are you making fun of people who are made in God's likeness, that twice, when you do that negatively, he says, you're looking at your genesis in the mirror and then going out there and doing something contrary. You're using your tongue that's setting your whole Genesis, your whole birth, your whole existence on fire. And it's coming from the fires of hell.

Don't you find that fascinating? That is very fascinating. You are disrupting the Genesis that God provided, the beginning, which takes you back to, oddly enough, the book of Genesis, It's where it all started. In the beginning was the word, I mean, you know, was with God. Well, in the beginning, God said, God created male and female in their kinds. So, Jace, you and Missy have been involved in the pro-life movement, taking care of a child that was in a situation where a mom wasn't sure what to do.

Yeah. And thank the Lord that she decided to give birth to this little man. And he's become part of our family. And it's just a reminder of how awesome life is and that we all at one time were in our mother's women. Exactly. And our good friends at Preborn, that's what they're asking us to do. Women facing unplanned pregnancies are often pushed to making decisions quickly before they have a moment to pause and to breathe and to hear the truth about life and about hope. Let's not stay quiet. Let's stand together for truth. At preborn network clinics, women are met with compassion. They're given a free ultrasound.

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Now you're getting into the other word. So the only other word that talks about nature is the one for flesh. Because some translators, which that word is called sarks. Now, it's used a lot of times. And it's basically the body or the vehicle that you're functioning in as an earthling. But it's also used for Jesus. When he became flesh, that's Sarks.

There's many other. Romans 9.5, you can trace the human ancestry of Christ. That word human there is Sarks, who is God overall. He had a body, just like we do. That doesn't mean it's bad. So in all three cases, what I'm saying is, God made you. You're a gift. of God. And then he remade you through the death, barrel, and resurrection. That's called a new birth being born again. But it didn't start bad. We're underestimating the power of the evil and using that survival instinct with your own desires and choices to create behavior that is contrary to the image that you were created in. And so that was my point. I think that's James's point. What say you? I mean, that's a lot.

that is that is but i i think i think you're i think you're right um i think the thing that mayor was kind of saying this in the last podcast i think what you just framed up in a which is hilarious that you went through all that because you always say i get too deep that's pretty deep oh i know it's deep but i mean yeah what it's lost in translation because you wouldn't know that unless you looked it up no i think that i think that's what bear was talking about earlier like like when you boil all that down because that was a lot of meat that you just said. So like at the end of the day, why does it matter? I think this is what matters. Because the way that we have interpreted a passage like this one that we're in right now

is we've interpreted as a moral command, an ethical command from God, almost like, hey, here's the things you're supposed to do. Keep your tongue under shake, boys. Don't be running your mouth out there. Don't be, you know, but we're just seeing it as a command. And what we're not seeing it as, as something that's rooted and anchored in actually reality and what was supposed to be. And so when Bear was talking about, you know, he had a hard time and kids his age, I think this is people of all age, is that we have a hard time really understanding that the commands of God are for our good. That's the whole point, first and second, third John, is that these commands are for our, these are the commands and descriptions of how we participate in the life of who God is in his inner life. So I think what you just did there is you essentially are connecting all of this back into the Genesis story.

These aren't random arbitrary commands. These are descriptions of how we actually participate in the inner life of God. And that's where you get, I think, the power. That's where the real power to live holy comes from. Because if the only reason why I'm living holy is because God told me a command and I'm just trying to obey it, and it stops there. I mean, great, great, go do that. You should do that.

But here's the problem with it. If that's where it ends, is that you're not really shaping the heart. You're not really shaping the desire, which is the whole point of what we talked about missing the mark. To reshape the desire, you have to understand these commands in the very nature of reality. You have to understand that what God is saying here

is he's telling you this is the pathway to, to human flourishing. This is the pathway to fulfillment. This is the pathway. Everything you're looking for, it's actually this way. And if you'll go this way, you'll find the very thing that your heart desires, that your heart really desires. But if you go this way and you miss the mark, you're not going to be sustained there. You're not going to be fulfilled there. And this hell thing is what you're headed towards, which we see that in the very scripture. Solomon, his heart, his heart, his desire got turned away, and he chased the foreign lovers. And it says in First Kings, his heart got turned away.

And then you look down several generations. And, I mean, it's just, it's complete mayhem, complete chaos, complete anarchies. It's horrible. It did not deliver on what it promised to deliver. That's the alignment that I think and where the real power comes. When you actually believe that, your desires and you want different things. So I want to read this text, Zach, because to me, when Jason was going through this

and a couple of podcasts ago, my favorite verse that he read where this word is used, and it's the only time it's used about God, is really very powerful. And this is from Sagittor 1, 3, and 4. Listen to this. Based on what you just said, his divine power has granted to us

all things that pertain to life and godliness. Now, that alone is a bumper sticker. His divine power is granted to a hundredness. all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence by which he granted to us his precious and very great promises. There's Genesis 315, there's Genesis 12, all the rest of the promises he made to the patriarchs, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature. That's God spouses.

his nature, having escape from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. And so I love that Peter used that word there and says, you get to partake in that. And he's provided everything you'll need to escape the corruption of the Gahena, of the fires of hell, the things of this earth. And I love it that the idea when Jesus talked about it, because at one point he said he called the Pharisees and their followers that would turn away from him. the sons of hell because you're living that life now because he looked at it as a burning, rotting place with a terrible history. And it was still that way, even when Jesus was talking about it

it and James was talking about it. And so the vivid image is there. It's like us recognizing the place. You know, we have a little section of town close to where Jason is today. And it's an area of town that's gone downhill, a lot of drugs there, a lot of people on bikes and walking around and meth pipes and all this stuff. And if I said the name to Zach or Jay's, you would know instantly or anybody that lived in our community, that's the idea of, but if I said it to somebody else that wasn't there,

you wouldn't even know what I was talking about. Yeah. And that's the way it was with this idea of Gahena. They were looking at the history. They were looking at the sacrifices. They were looking at the burning trash and the dead bodies that nobody wanted to touch. And he was like,

that's what you escape from when you come to me, when you have this birth of will. Well, you don't really realize. because a lot of people may say, well, wait a minute now. Like when I was a kid and I was taught about hell, they were like, there's a place that you don't want to go. And it's a fire that never goes out. And you're going to be tortured forever and ever.

So do you want to come to Jesus? And I was like, sure. It sounds better than the altar. I want to go there. But now that I've read this, I realize. Yeah, so much deeper than that. That wasn't his point, and I'll illustrate that because I know some of you, this may be the first time you've ever heard this. So it's not hard to look up a Greek lexicon, and every time he used the word Gahena, you can look up those verses.

But I'll pick one. I already referenced the one he did on the sermon on the Mount. But this one really gives the context to what really happened. Now, you mentioned about the burning trash and all that, but I think that's a me. That came up in the, I think, the 1300s or something where they, you know, this was the place where they burned the trash. You can go back to those stories in chronicles, just look up the valley of Ben Hamon, and you look at what Jeremiah prophesied, and you'll see it. But when you read Mark 9 in verse 42, this really, now you tell me, if this is, you tell me, if this is, This doesn't fit exactly what happened with these kids being sacrificed and burned.

And then here comes Jesus, the new Genesis. And he says in 42, he calls some kids to him, children to him, and said, if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his You've heard this verse, right? If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better for you to enter life maim than with two hands to go into hell where the fire never goes out. Now, you can look at where that phrase is, where the fire never goes out.

I'll look this up. And, well, let me just keep reading. And then I'll come back to that. And if your foot caused you to sin, cut it off, it's a better for you. you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. By the way, Jase, what life is he talking about? Enter what life? So Jase, you and Missy have been involved in the pro-life movement, taking care of a child

that was in a situation where a mom wasn't sure what to do. Yeah, and thank the Lord that she decided to give birth to this little man. And he's become part of our family. And it's just a reminder of how awesome life is and that we all at one time we're in our mother's women. Exactly. And our good friends at Preborn, that's what they're asking us to do. Women facing unplanned pregnancies are often pushed to making decisions quickly before they have a moment to pause and to breathe and to hear the truth about life and about hope. Let's not stay quiet. Let's stand together for truth. At pre-born network clinics, women are met with compassion. They're given a free ultrasound.

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And what's unfortunate here is if you're reading along with me, you're like, what happened to 46? There's no verse 46. And there's no, there's another one that's missed. Verse, there's another one missed. 43, oh, 44. Where's 44? Where's 44 and where's 46?

Do you all have them in your Bible? I'll be shocked if they are. This is real interesting. I'm in Matthew 9. I'm in Mark 9, Mark 9, and he says, if you call as a person to sin, he brings up Kahena, Gahena, don't do that. It'd be better, you know, or if your hand caused you to sin, cut it off. First, he says don't cause someone to sin, but then there's no 44 and there's no 46 in my Bible.

Yeah, I've got them in the margin. Well, they're not in the Bible. But watch what he says. So he says in 45, you know, it's better to have, to be crippled than have two feet thrown in hell. So verse 47, if your eye calls you to send it, plug it out. It's better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than have two and be thrown into hell. There's, there's, he's used to go hana three times. Now verse 48 says where he quotes Isaiah 6624, where the worm does not die.

And the fire is not quenched. The reason 44 and 46 are not in there because it's the exact verse of 48. I don't know why they just wouldn't put it in there. It's the exact verse. 44, 46. It's because some of the early manuscripts didn't have. It's kind of like the long ending of Mark.

And so it didn't make it. Well, exactly. But I'm saying it's not like the phrase didn't enter the Bible. It's in 48. It's just right there. Yeah. Everyone will be salted with fire. salt is good but if it loses its saltness how can you make it salt again have salt in yourselves

and be at peace with each other which is james's point so isn't it interesting that the reason he went on this tirade was about causing children to sin and he uses gahanna well what happened at gahenna babies were thrown in a fire in the name of god and other gods you see the point but why but that's the but the but the thing i'm that's why like the genesis 1 28 is the whole thing that that it's a war against humanity it's a war against our dominion sin is a war against humanity that's why they attack the children that because what if you can shut that you can kill the kids if you can sacrifice the children then you can stop the cultural mandate of genesis just 128.

But I think it's also from that fear, the evil ones using that fear of death and your survival instinct in a way that's saying it's better for you. The less people that there are, there's more stuff for you, for your own survival. That's where the selfish ambition comes in.

That's why even in our politics today, and you know, you can figure out which side is for death, you know, clapping at abortions and all this, Because deep down, the evil one has diluted these people into thinking, this is better for you, the less people they are. And that's how they're thinking. So survival, because here's the thing. Survival mindset, what it does, it produces the hoarding mindset.

And so to hoard is to take your hands and to do this. I'm making a circle and I'm pulling it inside. it's it's when when you have bread drop out of the sky you say oh I'm going to make sure I have some for tomorrow so you what do you do as you start hoarding it up in God's like now that's not how this works because the whole this is the whole thing Genesis 128 it's they didn't he didn't say hoard it up he didn't say build the borders he didn't say build the fences build the gates he said expand it out and that that's why the scarcity mindset this is by the way when you get into like like He says, does God have anything to say about our economics?

Yeah, I think he does. It's one of the reasons why I think socialism is not of God, because it's a hoarding mindset. It's a mindset that doesn't have an expansion in mind. Communism, here's why communism doesn't work, and here's why Marxism, Communism, Socialism, this is why it's not of God, because it operates off the basic premise of scarcity, that there's a limited supply in the world, and it's a pie and you better get your piece. And if I get my piece, you're not going to get your piece. What it doesn't start with is a biblical understanding of economics, which is this,

that wealth is created, cultivated, expanded. That's the garden. The garden was not, here's the garden now. You guys make sure you divvy up all the fruit. No, the garden was taken and keep expanding it. Make more fruit, more trees, more garden. This thing's getting bigger, not smaller. And so you see it.

And are you a hoarder or do you believe how we jokingly and ironically started this podcast? I'm worried about my insurance bill. And you're reading that scripture to me, making fun on me. But it was truthful. I'm in a hoarding mindset when I'm complaining about that. And you're like, hey, good repentance. Good repentance, mom. Think about the lies that apologize.

You're so right. And you brought up the abortion thing. The lie is, well, abortion is a woman's right. to make decisions for herself. And that's why we're supporting it. Everybody claps and cheers. But think about it. Out of the 60 million aborted,

half of them were women, potentially. We're girls. So, I mean, Made and the likeness of God, which is James is born. And you're saying you're out for the rights and you're looking out for women.

Yeah. And here's how it works. Because when you have a hoarding mindset, when you have a survival mindset, then human, become consumers. And so children now become liabilities because they're consuming. As opposed in the old days, if you had a lot of kids, that was like, oh, my gosh, I'm blessed

because now I've got all these other cultivators, we can expand the farm. But under an ungodly mindset of how the world works and under an unbiblical anthropology, then humans become just survival, consumers, consumer. So yeah, then your kids become a burden. Okay. The Bible says children are blessing. They're a blessing because they help us expand and cultivate the garden, the kingdom. Zach, it's the blessing.

We're almost on time, and I've got to finish this because people are going to be wondering why the hell reference and what is Isaiah 62624. So let me do this real quick. So when you read Isaiah 6624, it says, and they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worms shall not die. their fire shall not be quenched and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh. So Jesus is quoting that three different times and he's using the picture of what happened at Gehenna. So we're clear on that.

Now I do want to say this. What's interesting, the whole deal about the animals and the human being held accountable John 9, I mean in Genesis 9. Well, think about how many times, judgment happen on people, and then the animal world would feed off of them. And even in Romans 1, you remember where he's like they're worshiping. And look, I listed, let me give you just a few of these. Here we go.

Here's a few of these. Jezebel was eaten by dogs. Remember the teenagers mocking Elijah, and they were mauled by bears. Goliath, it says he would become food for the birds and the bees. King Herodigripp was eaten by worms. And my whole point for bringing this up is where it says the worm will not die. And yeah, he's talking about maggots. I want to read this to you in my research.

You said, what does it mean the fire is not quenched? To quench, a fire means to put it out before it finishes this job. An unquenchable fire is a powerful raging fire that cannot be extinguished by outside forces. It keeps burning until it completely consumed. everything available, only Ash. For comparison, look, Jeremiah 1727 warns that Jerusalem's gates would burn with a fire that shall not be quenched.

And my point for reading that is, that fire's not still going on. It was just complete justice. Once the maggots do their job, that's it. Ash, that's the point. He's more making the point, is whatever you do that's anti-God,

you rebel against God towards other people, there will be a day when you will face the creative the universe and it will be absolute justice. It's not going to be part justice. It will be an absolute justice on that. You stand before him. And James is making the point on how you treat people and the tongue is the primary weapon. And it is literally a fire of Gehenna because you're looking at other people like they're not made in the image of God. And he's like, that won't work. That's of the devil, which launches into then the two kinds of wisdom. And you see one that's all about other people and qualities that you need to have

their seven or eight there. I mean, it's submission, don't show partiality. Don't look at other people in any other way besides they're made in the image of God. And then you see the bitter envy and the selfish ambition. that's hooked up with the evil one, which he addresses that one first. So that's basically where we're headed. No, that's really good. And I like that idea about the life.

You mentioned it twice in that text. One of the other references calls it the kingdom. But the new life he's talking about is not waiting until post-judgment. He's talking about the life we have now, the one we're born into, the one we choose in Christ. Well, exactly. And look, Al, we didn't make this point, but we're all about saying that heaven is now and not yet with, you know, we're waiting on our imperishable body. But so is hell.

You experience the judgment of God. Look, thank Romans 1. It says you want to mess with the kind of human that God made you. And Romans 1 says you'll receive in yourselves a due penalty for that perversion. What's he talking about? There's justice for that. And it starts now. So when people say, my life is a living hell, exactly.

Let me tell you what's the not yet part, though. When you stand before God and he's like, justice is coming. That's his point. Yeah, and we have the piece. All right, we're out of time. We'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast.

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