Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1391 | The Robertsons React To Fauci’s Own Diary Coming Back to Haunt Him

Episode Date: August 4, 2026

Want to watch the Lost Episodes of Unashamed, only on EKKL? Get 20% off with code UNASHAMED (all caps), and watch faith- and family-friendly movies, podcasts, and more: https://ekkl.com/ Jase, Al, and Zach examine Dr. Anthony Fauci’s Senate “testimony” as a sobering warning about pride, self-preservation, and the danger of your own words catching up with you. The guys connect his public silence and private statements to James’ teaching on the tongue, showing how words can expose what is really driving the heart. Zach also offers a provocative Christian “prenup” idea as an example of the kind of faithfulness and covenant commitment believers should bring into marriage. In this episode: Numbers 32:23; James 3:2-18; James 4:4; Ephesians 4:29-32; Ephesians 5:1-2; 2 Corinthians 4:15-16; 2 Corinthians 5:10, 14-20; 2 Corinthians 6:1; Galatians 2:20; Romans 6:22-23; John 12:31; John 17:3; 1 John 1:6-8; Revelation 12:11 “Unashamed” Episode 1391 is sponsored by: https://cozyearth.com/unashamed — Get up to 20% off when you use our link and code UNASHAMED! https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al lost 80+ pounds. Visit the website or call 864-644-1900 and mention "Al Robertson" to get 2 weeks free in the program! https://chministries.org/unashamed — Get a better solution at half the cost of traditional healthcare! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Chapters 00:00 Madi Saves the Day 05:10 Zach’s House Smells Like a Dead Animal 09:30 Jase’s Podcast Story Stirs Up Drama 11:20 Fauci Pleads the Fifth 16:20 Jase Redirects a Joker Toward Jesus 22:30 The Power of the Tongue 28:25 Jesus Died for Everyone 35:55 Becoming a New Creation in Christ 43:40 Faith, Works & the Meaning of Salvation 47:50 Zach’s Radical Christian Prenup 51:05 What Faithfulness Looks Like in Marriage — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And you get to see those lost episodes that no one's ever seen the first 10 of Unashamed. I am Unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed for you. our beloved listeners out there. This is just the next in the line of our podcast. But for us, we've had a few days off. Zach, you took a little vacation with your family.

And so we took it with you. Mine was a staycation down here because at the Southern layer, I live at a vacation spot. So I was here at a nice week with Lisa. What was it like with your brood? You went to Florida, right? Yeah, Gulf of Mexico, a little place called Captive. No, no, no, the Gulf of America.

Come on. I keep forgetting to say that. I grew up now. There's no, I grew up in that once you make the change. Yeah. When you spend about 40 years, I guess lit down there for the first 20 in my life. I mean, those were formative years. It's hard to undo all that.

Well, you know what I mean? Well, the lovely Maddie just made a very spiritual point because this chair that I was in was making noise. And we figured out why, because Christian also sits in this chair. And I think it became a weight versus foundation that got put to the test moving around. And it began to squeak really bad.

It's very annoying. And so... You know, Christian's got about 50 pounds only days, and it ain't fat. I'm going to tell you right now. That man is a block of steel. mentioned two or three times we need some oil but i you know the redneck in me used to always have a can of wd 40 in my truck yeah so i'm the older i get i'm the yuppie world is influence in me because i don't

have any oil which is very embarrassing but mattie got up like she was going to fix this chair and i thought now what is this young woman but she is from arkansas so there was a chance you could And I thought, now how is she going to fix this? Because I'm pretty well. You can fix anything with a little oil and some duct tape. But she did the last thing I was expecting, which goes into your Gulf of America, Miss Q, she just got a different chair that looks the same. It's a new chair.

A new chair. And I thought, isn't that really what we do in our following Jesus life? We try to fix things. We think about fix the idea. And this whole New Testament. Bailen wire and duct tape just to hold it all together. God says he makes all things new. So.

Say somebody last night, we went out to dinner and a podcast listener recognizing he came up. And he told me, he said, how much he lied the podcast. and that he and his voice listens to it. And he told me, he said, is Maddie a real person? He thinks we just like made her. That's the mystery. Bo Schnerdly.

Exactly. Yeah. For Bush, Sturdley, was he real? Was he a real person? Yeah, but his name is something different. Bo Snurdley was a character, but the guy is something else.

Something golden is his last name. But since Rush died, now he's like out there doing interviews and stuff. But before that, you never knew who Bo Snurdly. was. That's a good, that's a good analogy. Well, I got home from vacation and, you know, it was

we had a good time. We really did. But I get home, we walk in the door, walked to the front of the house, and Jill goes, it smells like a dead animal in here. And so I'm like, I'm smelling around. I smell it, but you can't quite locate where the

smell's coming from. So I'm like a hound dog. I get to the floor. I sniff my way to the front left part, like But the front door, the front and left of that, there's a vent. And I could smell it coming out of that bend. And so then I was like, well, something's crawled up in there and died. But then what would you do?

How would you, what would be your next move if you smelled it in a vent in your house? What would be your next move? I would cover my face with something for the gag reflex. Yeah. And I would open up that vent. I'd go in. I mean, you can't go in. This thing's like this big.

I mean, it's not like a mat. You don't go inside of it. You go in with a flashlight and then use some tool to remove the barmit. What I did is I just went back to the other end of the house. And I said, well, eventually it'll, it'll whatever it is. It'll go away. But you can't mean, without cleaning out the dent. I was just like, what is.

I was just like, what does it? That sounds like dear old dad is back with us. Remember when he had something died and they? And it started raining maggots. And he told us to hold the fuck. Yeah, Jill case complaining about it. But I'm like, look, there's just some things you have no control over. If the animals crawled up in that vent and died, you're never going to find it without hiring a professional.

They're going to come out here. Well, that's what I would do. I would call somebody. Like a vent cleaner. I mean, is that a thing? Somebody. There's got to be a guy that could. Yeah, there's got to be a guy that could figure that out.

Yeah. I think that's going to cause some problems in your marriage. Yeah. You got to step. up. That's your department. Well, let me tell you about the Holy Spirit, though, Jase. The Holy Spirit spoke to me last night. I get in bed. I'm like, you know what?

I got to thinking about that smell, which then made me think about. I hadn't changed the air vents and probably, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, probably four months. I think it's supposed to change them every two months. And so I hadn't changed him in a while. So I got up right forward to bed, and I said, I'm going to make myself a note. So I'm going to change air vents in the morning.

So I put 7.30 a.m. change air. I put that in my calendar and a reminder. Got up this morning. I went down there and I got four different air vents. I got to change in my house. It's an ordeal. So you got one in the attic, three in the basement. When I went down in that basement and I pulled out one of the air vents,

I guess what I saw right next to it. Dead mouse. A dead mouse. Yeah. And you talk about gag. That's why I said, cover your face. But I did locate it. I think that God gave me that, and he knew that you were right.

He knew that marriage troubles were on the horizon. So I went upstairs. I looked like the guy from Breaking Bad, and I had the full hazmat suit. I had the tongs that I used to grill with, which is now in the garbage. I go down there, I get the mouse out, and then I get some bleach spray. I get all, I get the whole thing cleaned out, and then I put a new airband. we figured it out. See, Zach, you went from zero to hero in one night.

Thanks to that, Airbn. That's your job. I mean, look, I got to be careful what I say now, because there's been a week since we've done podcasts, but, you know, I kind of have, I guess, an unwritten rule that whatever experiences happen in my life, they could turn into a podcast story. Yeah.

I told, evidently, I don't even remember telling this story on the podcast. But my daughter had a bunch of her friends over. My wife was out of town, and I told a story about a young man who I didn't know was kind of looking at the trash

like this was something that he wanted to stay away from. And I kind of had a confrontation with him in a nice, loving way, which led to a wonderful Jesus presentation that I felt good about it.

But I guess I told that story on the podcast. Did I not tell that story? Maddie, she gave me a thumbs up. Here's what happens when you do that, especially when it's a boyfriend, girlfriend. People listen to this podcast. And all of a sudden, my daughter came in and it's like, boy, you have really stirred the pot with that situation. You know, parents get involved. And, you know, I'm not sure I want my daughter dating somebody who don't know how to take out the garbage.

Oh, boy. Yeah. And I was just like trying to plead the fifth. I guess I got the, they just had the Fauci on there. I was like, wait a minute. Did you do it 111 time? Boy, isn't that everything we're talking about? Isn't that something the, you know, we're reading this about James about how powerful

the tongue is. And you really see, it's like a fire. Yeah. So I looked at my daughter and I was like, I'm not a. apologizing for telling a young man what's going to help him because I realize how much discussion after 36 years of marriage I've been involved in over the garbage and who's taking it out. That's 90% of the time now, which is a great improvement, I take that garbage out.

I'm like, this is something that's my job and my wife is into making things beautiful and cooking all these beautiful smelling foods and just the whole place, every time I look around, it's like it's a beautification process. I got to know where I'm at. I'm in for taking out the garbage, taking out dead life,

the stuff that nobody wants to do. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is, this, own it, own it, be that guy. So anyway, yeah, my, I didn't watch this Fauci thing because I quit watching the news years ago. I'm all about good news, Al. We have good news. That's what I'm concerned about.

But she was telling me about it, about how he gave a speech, basically, ripping everybody, and then 110 times said, I'm pleading the fifth. I'm like, what kind of testifying? Well, they asked him, they said, is that a, they said something like, is that a Manila folder in front of you? And he said, On behalf of counsel.

I'll plead the fifth. What I'm asking He said, what color is your tie? On the advice of counsel, I plead the fifth of it. Isn't that carpet in front of you? I know it was like, I know the whole thing was meant to be kind of like an indictment on Rand Paul and some of the, but the truthfully, I mean, to me it was an indictment on him. Yeah, I mean, the great gaslighting that went on is looking back with hindsight, 2020, you were just like, how in the world? Well, where he messed up is he wrote what he believed personally in his journal or diary or whatever.

On a government server, by the way. And that didn't line up with how he acted publicly with taking in large sums of money. And, you know, he got the vaccine and then got some kind of blood clot and, you know, all these things that were never open for public consumption. and then he's out the day of discovering that, trying to get people to get the same vaccine that he just got a blood clot from. I'm like, you know, that's just not going to be a good look for you. All right, so we went to the beach,

and I did have my cozy earth pajamas at the beach, and everybody was jealous. I mean, it is my go-to. I don't know what they do, but I'm telling you the fit, the fabric, the way these things are made to, feel the way they're made to last and maybe the best pajamas I've ever owned guys. What I like about them, Zach, is there's a kind of a heaviness to them that's comforting, but that it's, but you're not hot.

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right here on the Unashamed podcast. That's Cozier.com. Code Unashamed Comfort lives here. The thing about it, Jase, is your six years later, and people are still, like, all of us, like everybody got through it, you know, but some people didn't. I mean, a lot of people died.

And so it's like there was never really a lot of accountability on the way they tried to process it. He retired. Then he got a pardon when Biden left. So for all pass-ins, you know, removed. But then you're right, this new thing comes out where you're being asked questions. I mean,

which normally, look, he could, he found a camera 14 times a day when the thing was going on. But where is he now? There's no media interviews, which I thought to myself, you know,

by him pleading the fifth, all those others, I thought, you know what, he's probably suffering now because he loved that media spotlight so much. And now he can't utter a peep. He can't go anywhere and do an interview because if he does,

he incriminates himself. when they ask him about the diary. Well, there's a famous verse that, you know, watch it, your sins will find you out because actually legally, Missy was telling me, these legal experts are saying, you can't come out and give a speech

and then plead the fifth. You can't do that. So, you know, we'll see where that leads. But the bottom line is, you know, it is a link to what you say, which in the political world, it's all about spin and just coming up with whatever narrative

and I think you really see the power that James was, especially in our faith and what you're representing with the tongue. I mean, I tell these stories all the time about, you know, like I said, everything becomes a podcast story. I played in the golf tournament and there was a fellow out

that we used to play golf with. I mean, when we were, when we couldn't afford to play golf, there was a little park course. I think it was four bucks. And that's where we played. And we played with this fellow. I'm not even sure.

But I knew him when I saw him. Because they had paired us, I mean, it was 60 groups of people. And me and my buddy were just paired with two random people. But he was when he said, hey, remember me? And usually when people say that, I've never met him.

But I was like, you, I remember. Fast talker. joke teller and so it had been years so which was nice so but he just so he started into it right off the bat telling me all these jokes and it reminded me of when i knew him you know before i hadn't seen the guy in 15 years and i mean funny but the jokes were let's just say i'm not saying they were coarse joking but they were right on the line yeah and so his his partner didn't know who i was I mean, if you're from Louisiana and you've been on the planet for at least the last 20 years,

and you miss, you know, our show and people, you're like, where are you living in a cave or whatever? But so he was kind of fascinated, I think, based on my look. Same deal, facial profiling. So he said, well, what do you do? Well, I had just had this experience a couple weeks before, playing in a golf tournament, somebody, young guy, asked me what I do, and I said, I'm going with the same thing. I said, I followed Jesus, which he reared back when I said that. What's interesting is that when I said that, then my old buddy that we've been reunited with,

it shifted all his jokes from that point forward to preacher jokes and spiritual jokes. And I thought, you know, I made one. one statement. Because he immediately, when I said that, you know what his response was? And if you have small kids, you might be offended by this, but you shouldn't be because this is in the Bible. But he said, well, you ought to know how to make holy water then. And I said, no, how do you do that?

He said, boil the hell out of it. I didn't laugh at first, but I thought, you know, that's interesting, because now I thought I've now changed the narrative of the jokes, but I'm not sure how I feel about that joke. So I said, that is interesting. I was like, we just did a whole rabbit hole about where that word hell comes from, a little place called DeHenna. Are you familiar with that? They were like, no. So I told them the story.

Justice is coming was the point of that. Well, I noticed, then the jokes got way more. What's impressive about it, though, Jay says he had the catalog, like he had all the wide race. That's impressive. Most of his jokes after that, I don't remember most of it. I mean, he immediately, when I started talking about Gahena, he's like, well, I'll tell you this. He said, there was a politician since we brought up politics there and a preacher and a deer stand. and a deer come out, and they both shot at the same time

and got into this huge argument about who shot the deer. And it led to them seeking out a game warden, which you should never do, you know, on purpose. But because they figured, you know, he sees deer and we've got different calibers of guns. He'll be able to kind of do a CSI investigation and tell us who shot the deer. I mean, this guy's not only a joke teller.

He had some Jerry Clower in him. It's like the story itself was funny. He said, they take it up to Game Ward, and he immediately said, oh, I can solve that problem right now. The preacher shot that deer. And they're like, well, how can you tell that so quick? And he said, because that bullet went in one ear and out the other. And then out, to your point, I was like,

do you just have some kind of index catalog? in your brain. Because look, these are just off the top of my head. They never stopped. They never stopped. And I said, I'll tell you what, if you ever, you know, just go all in for Jesus. I might have a place for you on my team. We'll just go around and do stand-up.

And I'll just point it to you for, you know, an applicable joke. He definitely sounds like he could be an opening act. He could come out and get the tickle the putty bone and get it. That dude was funny. It makes me really love this culture that we live in. People here in Louisiana, I mean, they're storytellers and they're joke tellers. I mean, this guy had just the gift of gab. And by the time the end of the tournament, who cares if I want or not?

I mean, I laugh for three hours. But I set the tone, and I really believe that's how God works. I think you have to take control of the situation, especially when you're in the world, about where this conversation is headed. And there's no easy way to do it. You either got to make a declaration of who you are or just feel uncomfortable the whole time. I don't like being uncomfortable,

which kind of led to the story of what I was telling you about happening at the trash can at my house. So look, if you come to my house, it could turn into a podcast story. Deal with it. Deal with it. My heart was sincere, and I love everybody, you know, so that's my take on that.

And we do talk for a living on this podcast, and when you have the volume of hours, because we're getting up now close to 1,400 podcasts as of this one, you're going to have a lot of things you say and told through your prism, so that doesn't always set well with people, but, you know, give us a little grace too because, you know, we're doing a lot of talking here to go along with our Bible study. So I wanted to transition back into what you were talking about, Jay, because we're kind of ready to move on to the next section unless there was something else. But there was a text I didn't get to read because we kind of the last podcast or the last few podcasts got to the end of this the tongue concept, which by the way, just as a way of review for us, because we've been gone a week. James uses six different illustrations to describe the power of the tongue.

we had the horses and the bits, we had the ships and the rudders, we had the fires and the sparks, which led us to this idea of Gahena, when the whole body is set on fire. Jace went down in a massive bear cave with the taming of the animals, which, man, if you hadn't caught that one, you need to go back and listen to those two or three podcasts, very good. Then you had the power of poison,

which Paul references that in Romans 3 as well. And then you had the fresh and saltwater springs, and then the fig trees and the olive trees, that was his last two with the idea that what comes, what's in the heart is what comes out of the mouth was the idea there. Yeah. And which is kind of his entire point, which is going to lead us into this next thing about wisdom. But before we go there, I wanted to read this because I never got to read it. And this was Paul's similar conversation that James does, just to show you, because we talked about way back in James too about some people to try to Pitt, Paul versus James, when we're talking about grace and works and all that.

But these guys are very simpatico in the way they approach, you know, biblical, spiritual truth. And here was his take to the Ephesians in Ephesians 429. He said, here's the way he put it, do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. I love that, because the idea is, we're talking about it. tearing down of people.

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. This goes right into this wisdom concept because the Holy Spirit lives in you. So when you do these things, you grieve him or you're blocking what he's trying to do in your life with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. And now he goes into the action. Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling, and slander along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate, forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you.

And then here's the key, chapter 5. be imitators of God, therefore, is dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering. There's that scent, Zach, you were talking about earlier. You want the fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. And so then he goes on and talks a little bit more about what it looks like, you know, the other lifestyle, which is what we're about to get into in James. So I just felt like it was really good.

The idea that this is a consistent theme across the New Testament is this idea. that what you say is a reflection of who you are, the depth of, you know, whether you're a believer, whether you fear God or whether you don't. And so, you know, that's part of James' biggest point. So, Jace, I remember it well, kind of the moment the clot began to tick on me when I was in my 40s. I tried all these different kind of diets, and they would work for a while, and then I'd gained it all back, usually more than I had lost. And so I didn't realize that when your body is you're getting older, your metabolism is slow, and you begin to hold on the fat. That just gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

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that I need to do to have a quality life. Right now, when you call and mention Al Robertson, you'll get two free weeks and they'll pay for the cost of your food. That's a $1,500 value right off the bat. Call $864, 64, 64-1900. That's 864-644-9100, or go to my PhDw weightloss.com. because the goal isn't to lose weight once but to never having to start again. Again, that's 864, 64441900, or go to my PhD weight loss.com. I want to echo that. You know, I found something interesting, I guess, during the past week. Because when you look at all this, you know, James is making a huge point about how you treat people

and your relationship with God go hand in hand. And he made that point about tame in the tongue in verse 2 of chapter 3 when he said, we stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he's perfect man able to keep his whole body in check. And we know that's not possible. But I think Paul addresses this

in ways that you don't really recognize until you get the big picture of this. And part of that, seeing how that word nature was used with different kinds of people and how it was used, whether you're a Jew or a Gentile or a male or a female, I think there's some common ground there that James is zero and in on about when you're in Christ and you give your life to God, this has to be reflected in the way you treat people. And so he really just came out and said it in verse 9 of chapter 3,

which I keep going back to this, because I really think this is where he zeroed in on the point in a tight little verse when he said, with the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who have been made in God's likeness. and he's just saying that that is not acceptable. That won't work. So I read an interesting verse in 2nd Corinthians 5,

which I've read many times and I love this whole chapter. But in verse 14 of 2nda 5 it says, for Christ's love compels us. So here's Paul's perspective on this. Because we are convinced that one died for all. So some people who are not treating some people who are made in God's likeness the correct way, they may justify it by saying, well, whatever reason they have,

they're putting them in some kind of camp that allows them not to treat them like Jesus died for them. But he had just echoed, and I've made this point before, in verse 10, that we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ. And I would think that is one verse where everyone thinks all means all. Everyone is going to appear. So a few verses later, he says,

we're convinced that Christ died for all. And then it says, and therefore all died. Which I've gone down that rabbit hole before. But we're all in the same camp in that death is coming our way. and by Jesus' death, that is your way of out from under death, because he was raised three days later. But watch what this says then.

Here's my point I want to get to. And he died for all that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised again. Well, that echoes James 313 when he said, when he shifts into this about wisdom from the world or the earth versus wisdom from heaven, it says, who is wise and understanding? Let him show up by his good life, by deeds done, the humility that comes for wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition, which is the exact opposite of Christ dying so that you should no longer live, for yourself, but for him. So before I read the rest of this, he says the same thing in Galatians.

So here's another Paul reference. In 220, famous verse, I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live. What's interesting, though, is like James when he says, but if you can keep your whole tongue in check, you'll be perfect. And so when you read these verses that I'm dying with Christ, yes, you are as far as Jesus dying on a cross and being resurrected, and now you're in on that.

But even Paul in Galatians 220, the next phrase says, the life I live. Well, I thought you died. And I think the reason we have a hard time understanding, this is kind of what James said in James 2.10, where it says, if you sin one time, you're guilty of breaking all of it. The problem we have is that even though I died in Christ, well, we all still sin. We all still say things with our tongue that is not reflecting who God is towards people who God died for, who are made in his likeness.

So I think, you know, the more I thought about this, you're like, well, how do you wrap your head around that and how do you explain that? Because especially when we studied 1 John, that was all over the place. It's like, he who's in Christ will no longer continue to sin. You know, it just says it. But he had said earlier, if you claim you're without sin, remember in 1st John 1, 6 through 8, you lie and make him out to be a liar. Oh, you're going to continue to do these things. So you say, well, how do I explain that? What does that mean?

So when I go back to 2 Corinthians 5, he explains it. And I think it's the exact point that James is making when he says in verse 10. So from now on, this is right after verse 15 that says, And he died for all that those who live should no longer live for themselves. like Galatians 220. You've been crucified with Christ. But then it says the life I live. Well, verse 16 does the same thing. So from now on, what does that mean? From now on. Because you've embraced Christ, because you have faith in him, you've given your life to him, you now have a new perspective. And one is a Jesus perspective. You're looking at your sin, not from your

perspective, trying to cover it up, trying to lie, cheating still, you respond, kind of like 1st John. You confess your sin. You deal with it from his perspective instead of from your perspective. But here, Paul makes a point, we regard no one from a worldly point of view, which is, what is a worldly point of view? Well, James is going to bring that up in chapter four. He's like, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred towards God?

Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. There's a worldly point of view, and that goes back to that word, nature that we were dealing with, which is this survival instinct where you try to survive at the expense of others, in little things, in big things. And so then he goes on to say in circumcathes five, though we once regarded Christ in this way. And I really think it's like, well, he was just a Jewish guy who claimed to be God. But we just read, he died for all. It wasn't that he was just in this Jewish box and to redeem them. And this was a Jewish thing that happened 2,000 years ago that people made up and all of a sudden applied to everybody as, you know, the son of God.

No. And so then this is the verse I wanted to get to, which kind of goes back to my original statement about Maddie saying, you need a new chair. Verse 17 says, if anyone is in Christ, and I looked at the Greek language in this verse, and it was fascinating. This word, he is not in here. The English translators put that in here

to try to make sense of the sentence. But the actual Greek just uses this as an atmosphere. If anyone is in Christ, a new creation has come. Look, it's true. not just you. It's a whole new world, which is why James is saying, friendship with the world, you're an enemy of God. And who does that world include? It includes this selfish ambition that James is referring to in James 314. He says that wisdom in verse 15 comes not from heaven,

but is earthly unspiritual of the devil. And so think about John 1231 when Jesus was predicting his death. You remember what he said? He says the world will be convicted because what I'm going to do when I'm raised up. And he said, the evil one will be cast out of this world. You're like, well, he's still here. He's cast out of our world. We have a new perspective.

He destroyed the powers. And I'm saying all this to say, I think the reason we have so much confusion about the book of James is we're only reading it, as in Jesus died for my sins. Way more happened there. Think about this fear of death that he cast out because he cast out the evil one. Think about Revelation 12.

Remember this battle with the evil one? And he said, we overcame him by the word of our testimony and by the blood of the lamb. And it uses the word triumph. We triumph over him through the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. The cross was even bigger than just forgiveness, just taking the IOUs and wiping it clean. It was a triumph over these spiritual forces that are using this fear of death and this survival instinct to get you to be demeaning towards people. And even like we brought up the Fauci thing, you said, why would a person do that?

He's looking at his own personal survival on this earth. That's the reason it seems so crazy. You're like, what is this? Does he not see how this looks? No, because it's bitter envy towards people who are trying to hold him accountable and selfish ambition to survive. So, Al, when Lisa got cancer, you guys benefited greatly from a health sharing plan. Just the financial help was a big blessing.

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That's CHministries.org slash unashamed. The notes in the diary, it was so much a pride thing. I mean, this guy had been a government bureaucrat his whole life, you know, trying to do the right thing, I suppose, and all these research and medical stuff. But nobody knew he was. And then all of a sudden he got famous. And you could tell from all this stuff,

he was like every time a celebrity would mention him or whatever. He was so full of himself. That's all he could think about. You knew that's what was going on privately. Now, publicly, it looked like he was the man for the job. But privately, he was just basking in the glow of this terrible situation. And what happens? Alienation, destruction.

And so when you continue reading on Saccharacter Fentheus Five, it all starts making sense. Because then he's like, you know, when he gets to verse 8. He says, all this is from God who reconciled us to himself through Christ. Look, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. That's how you're dealing with people. That God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ. Listen to this. Not counting men sins against them.

They've been forgiven from his perspective. But we're still living this life and we still mess up. But we're dealing with that as we're reconciling people and reconciling relationships with a new perspective in that all things in this world can be new. You can start over. You can get forgiveness. You can find reconciliation. You can find ways in Christ for a new world that you're a part of.

And I just find it fascinating. We are there for Christ ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us, which is James' whole point. How are you representing Christ when you're looking at anybody for any reason? without viewing them as made in the image of God and that Christ died for. Yeah, I think that's a good thing that, because you're anchoring it back into reality. It's not, I think the problem that people have, and it's the same thing you mentioned at the beginning, Al, that you said the people see a contrast between James and Paul.

Yeah. And the reason why they see that is because it gets into the old debate of are you saved by your faith or are you saved by your works? And so the, it's a false dilemma, by the way, but it's a terrible question. It is a question that it made me go look up of all the 300 questions that we covered in, John. I thought, well, let's see if Jesus asked any of those questions. No, he doesn't. And so the argument would be, well, Paul's the grace guy and James is the works guy. Or, you know, Paul's the faith guy and James is the works guy.

And they're trying to put these two things in opposite. the problem is with this whole the whole thought is that and I think it all stems from a false understanding or maybe I should say this it all stems from a limited understanding of what salvation is and if you understand salvation I said this many times in the podcast if you understand salvation to only be about your justification then you're going to miss the whole thing and so you were mentioning the Paul's words in Galatians but if you think about even Romans 6, which we've always, I've always taught Romans 6 as a text on baptism. And I don't know how many people that I've personally been able to baptize into Christ

and went to Roman 6 to make the point. But if you actually read Roman 6, the whole chapter is not simply about your justification. It's about your sanctification because the entire chapter ends with verse 22. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification. And its end, its telos, its purpose, its point is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. You think, well, what does that mean? Well, John 173 defines eternal life as a relationship of knowing God.

of being invited into participating into his inner life. And so the reason why you would have a statement, like you basically have to view your fellow mankind as image bearers of God, is because God doesn't, like, harm himself. Like to reflect his image is not to see another person and say, ooh, I wonder if I can manipulate them. It's to not see another person and think, ooh, let me get something from them.

Let me take advantage of them. let me swindle them, let me hurt them, let me harm them, let me abuse them. That type of mentality cannot come into play if you are reflecting the image of God. If you're reflecting the image of God, then you're going to look at other persons and you're going to look at how can we be in relationship, how can we be in communion, how can our relationship and love between each other spill out into more life? that because that's who god is and so that's the sanctification process is part of your salvation because what what it is is it's not just a legal standing before god it's actually saying no you're actually becoming like him you're starting to smell like him now why because now i'm

starting to to get rid of the sin of my life and so it what james is is describing in the whole book as to the degree that you walk in faith is the degree to which you are going to be conformity to the image of the sun. You're going to become like him. So it's not a, it's not a, oh, I did that thing one time and I'm good. No, it's, it's, it's, it's who am I becoming? What kind of person am I becoming? That's why when we talk about faith, we should say, am I faithful? Yeah. When we talk about righteousness, we should say, am I right with God? and people. That's the point.

Because I just read this 2nd Corinthians 5. Well, in 2nd Corinthians 4, he said, in verse 16, he said, all this is in verse 15 of chapter 4, 2nd Corinthians, all this is for your benefit so that the grace that is reaching more and more may cause Thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God. So he's talking about grace, and he's talking about Thanksgiving flowing from the heart. He then goes through 2 Corinthians 5, which I just did, about what that means. What's that looked like? And then after that, everything I just read in 2 Corinthians 6-1, which is not a division chapter break in the real letter.

We just put that there, and they shouldn't have that. That's unfortunate. You know why they put it there? Because the first four words says, as God's fellow workers, Well, I thought Paul was the faith guy. As God's fellow workers, we urge you not to receive God's grace in vain? Ooh. You say, well, what does that mean?

That's why I went through that section, because that's where I was headed with James. It sounds a lot like James. So, Jay, you and Missy have been involved in the pro-life movement, taking care of a child that was in a situation where a mom wasn't sure what to do. Yeah, and thank the Lord. that she decided to give birth to this little man. And he's become part of our family. And it's just a reminder of how awesome life is and that we all at one time were in our mother's way.

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is always sanctioned marriage, which is true, up to like the 1700s, it was always a sanction of the church. And we got this whole conversation about like the state's involvement in marriage. And we were having this big conversation with me and my dad. And I said, you know it's funny, is that no fault divorce, the no fault divorce, when that entered into the American political system and it really hurt marriage in such a profound way. And unfortunately, it was one of my, it was one of my political heroes that did it. Rod Reagan, yeah. But it was horrible, horrible for

the covenant of marriage. And so I told Dad this, and maybe this is provocative, but I actually think this is true. And it has, and I use that word faithfulness. I think that Christians when you get, if you're going to marry someone, I actually think you should sign a

pre-nup. And here's the pre- I think you should, I think all Christians should sign pre-nups before their And here's the pre-nop. If I'm unfaithful in this marriage, you get 100% of everything. Yeah. I like that.

Yeah. We have no skin in the game, right? And I told dad, I said, I honestly, I've been married 25 years. I would have no issue signing that covenant right now with Jill. That if I'm unfaithful, you get, you get it all. And I don't think she would have that either because I don't have any intention of being unfaithful to her. I don't have any intention of cheating on her or leaving her. I'm not going to, I'm all into this thing.

And I think that we need more teeth than that. But I make the point to say that when you start thinking about, okay, we can have a contract and we can work everything out, have all the deals. But when you add that line, if I'm unfaithful, that's a whole different level. That's a whole different level of commitment to be faithful to your wife. That is what crisis is. He's not saying we're going to be perfect. Are you going to be faithful, though? Are you going to be faithful in this relationship with me?

Are you going to work towards oneness? That is what a 25-year marriage looks like if you've been walking in faithfulness. Have me and Jill gotten some knocked down, drag-out fights? Yes. Has Jill thrown a phone at the wall back when you used to have phones in the house? Because she was so mad at me when we got an argument. And I got home when there was literally a phone sticking out of the drywall. wall, one of those cordless phones. Have I kicked the door down? Because she locked me out of the room

when we first got me. Yes, we've had some, we have had some major difficulties in our marriage and some major sin moments in our marriage. But when I look at the trajectory of 25 years together, what I see is faithfulness overall. I see a commitment to showing back up. I'm not leaving, and I'm not cheating on you. And I'm coming back every time and confess and sin. And over time, we've developed a oneness that you can't make it in a microwave. I'll tell you that right now. Which is that idea of perfection. Jay's mentioned earlier,

I love Revelation 12-11, one of my favorite verses. And you mentioned the first two aspects, Jay, is you overcome the evil one by the blood of the lamb, by the word of our testimony. But that third aspect is what Zach just described, that we wouldn't love this life so much as to shrink from death itself. In other words, the skin in the game is we're all in,

right up to the point of death. And we don't mind that either because we know we're going to be resurrected. So when you're at that level in your relationships, oh, exactly. I mean, that is the fear of the Lord. When you see all through the Bible that term, that's exactly what it means, that. It's so funny that Zach went down the marriage route because I had three of my buddies, you know, call me this week,

seeking wisdom like in a marriage argument now all these are solid marriages but you're like let's face it the the nature of women and men it's just it's like the grand canyon and and what the reason i'm bringing this up is because one of my buddies after these conversations he sent me something he found on the internet which if you listen to this, be by yourself, and don't do it in front of your wife. But it was, and look, it's two worldly military guys, and a guy got up, and he had what he called the hot, crazy matrix for understanding women. You've probably seen it because it had hundreds of thousands of views. And it was funny, but it was not spiritual.

I'm just, that's why I'm saying. It was risky. Oh, it was real risky. And I always, and I watched it, but you know, it made me laugh and realize, okay, I've been married to the same one, the same woman for 36 years, dated her for almost four, so 40 years. This is the only venture in my life where I'm just as confused as when I started. I'm just like, and so, you know, the world comes up with the word crazy. I mean, and this matrix, it's like, he had this thing, like one to 10 on crazy, you know, one to ten on hot. And, I mean, you don't even deal with anything above like a seven crazy. So then he had the four to seven crazy in the five to eight, you know, hot.

And it was like, I thought, how does a person come up with this? But it just showed me in my mind. It was like, this guy has no idea what women are thinking at any time in his life. And it created this graph of just confusion, you know. And so it led to a great discussion in that because just what Zach said, it's like, sure, you're going to have these problems in your marriage. But no matter what happens, you've got to be faithful. That's the bottom line.

Do you cut and run, throw your hands up? Because it all starts with a little spark just like the time. You say something wrong and here you go. And most of these arguments that we were discussing, it's a misunderstanding that just snowballed. And then it's like, I'm looking at it objectively. And I'm like, okay, I'm with you 100%. And then he's like telling me the story. And it's like, then I said this.

And I thought, nope, you shouldn't have said that. I know from previous experience, that's where you went wrong. And faithfulness, here's a key. Faithfulness is not a begrudging sticking around. There was a story of the town I grew up in, and the church that we went to for a little bit was so hardcore about, you know, divorce and remarriage and all that, that there was a couple there that they hated each other, but they were married.

And so their solution, because divorce is a sin, was to build a, they literally built a wall down the middle of their trailer, kitchen on one side. One of them had the kitchen. One of them didn't. I mean, it was like, and they, and they lived that way the rest of their, I think they lived that way the rest of their lives. That's not faithfulness. Faithfulness is not building a wall down your, and legally staying married. Faithfulness is, is actually living in covenant, living in community, living in communion and oneness with each other, even when it's difficult. And when there's sin and the relationship, what you do, if, if you're committed, the,

faithfulness is you confess it and you repent and you come back to the table. You come back to the table over and over. That's what faithfulness is coming back to the table. And I think that's what is. And it's not if what you sin, it's when you say. If you're with somebody for 40 years, it's going to happen. But you have a new perspective is what I was getting at. We're out of time.

But when you said back in your bear cave of the two kinds, one of those kinds was men and women. and yet they become one because of Christ, that's how you do that. That's how it happens. Your wife is your sister in Christ, which changes everything. All right, we're out of time. We'll have to pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast.

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