Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1397 | This Long-Lost Phil Robertson Clip Hits Jase Harder Than He Expected

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

Phil Robertson’s voice returns to the conversation in an unexpected way, giving Jase and Al a fresh perspective on the message their dad spent years preaching. Al reflects on the complicated spiritual timing of his relationship with Phil and the gift of finally getting to serve alongside him in his later years. The guys turn to the book of Job, the fear of the Lord, and the role of Satan, pushing back on the idea that the devil has power over our choices.  In this episode: Hebrews 2, verses 14–15; Hebrews 5, verse 7; James 2, verse 19; James 4, verse 7; Job 1, verses 1 and 8; Job 3, verses 25–26; Job 42, verses 1–6 “Unashamed” Episode 1397 is sponsored by: https://www.bruntworkwear.com/UNASHAMED — Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code UNASHAMED and enter THE BRUNT POTTY OF GOLD SWEEPSTAKES for your chance to win $50,000. No purchase necessary. Ends 9/18/26. Official rules apply. #Bruntpod #sponsored http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 Phil Returns in the Lost Episodes 06:05 Al’s Complicated Journey With Phil 14:20 Jase Meets an Old Friend’s Daughter 19:05 What Happens After Death? 24:05 Fear God, but Don’t Be Afraid 33:15 Are We Giving Satan Too Much Credit? 37:05 Al’s New Insight Into Job 40:10 God Goes All In on Job 44:05 Job Faces His Greatest Fear 48:05 God Isn’t Bluffing — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. Zach, I'm excited because the Echle has these lost episodes of the original podcast that we were going to do that we never did, but we had recorded, what was it, maybe a dozen? About a dozen episodes. Two of them are out now, right? Yeah, two of them dropped on Echle.com. k-K-L.com. Here's what's funny. I'm going to give you a little teaser. Because sometimes

I think you get, you know, we're seven years out from the start of this thing. And you think, sometimes I think we're coming up with this stuff on our own and you realize, you forget to realize how much of an impact your dad played in our eschatology. Because this whole podcast has basically turned out to be about that the kingdom of God is here and the kingdom of God is now and we are waiting on its full consummation to come later. That is really what we talk about more than any other thing. And so I was looking at this and through the first couple podcasts and the second one, which, Al, you have, you were kind of thin.

I mean, you were. What he said was before we came on there, he said, you weren't fat yet. I wasn't viscerly fat. So you gained and lost a person. Yeah, in that decade. It was a decade. Yeah, since we've been doing it. Because that was almost really...

I'm not a person, maybe a junior high. Well, it was like the cheerleader that's on top of the pyramid. It was about 80 pounds, though. But what got me... It's almost been eight years since we filmed those because we'd started somewhere in late 18. And then Jace came on board. It was funny because Jace didn't know it,

and I guess neither did we. Maybe Zach and his, you know, McAvillian behind-the-scenes puppet master way knew what he was doing. But Jace was just, coming on to help us out as a guest and then he just never let then we changed the whole podcast dan got kicked to the curb and then it was dang out booed is none of that was my idea so uh blame somebody else but my role is to correct and rebuke and train when i hear something that

i'm like so i'm pushing back the number one thing we talk about on the podcast is jesus so the kingdom here and now yeah but the king is highlighted So I'll interject. That's true. It's like even better. Actually, that's an even better way of saying it because I want you to hear that. I'm going to try to play this and put my mic up to the computer and hope that you guys can hear. It's about a minute.

Just listen to it. All right. Go for it. They all rise and they all fall. Fortunately for us, the king, Jesus, arrives 2018 years ago. And he said, my kingdom will last forever. Well, we know it's been here the last 2,000 years, Al, it's still here. We're living proof of it.

So we're just telling our audience here, instead of worrying so much about politicians on this earthly kingdom, these earthly kingdoms, they rise and they fall, all of them. That's right. There's a kingdom that's been set up during the days of the Roman Empire. The king shows up, king of king, lord of lords, and he solved our problems. and he said, I'll give you immortality. It'll never end. That's pretty good. I had no idea.

You were famous to play that, but it's like Phil never left. I know. When he said Al, I was like, okay, Al. We both looked over at the spot he used to sit at the table because it was like, it felt like he was still in the conversation. That's so good, Zay. And that's from the pilot episode, right? That's the second one.

So tell people how to get it because this is going to. to create an interest for this. And look, I'm going back and watch it. I hardly ever go back and watch our podcast. Every once in a while, Alex listens to him because she has to do quality control in our episodes, and so she'll have it on in the house. And I just kind of cringe because it's hard to listen to yourself talk. But the problem is she listens to it like in two times the speed, and that drives me insane.

Well, what I noticed, she says we talk so slow. I think you already told them where they can go and do it. But Matt didn't put it up on the screen, right? It's easy. It's EKK.com, and then you just used our code unashamed. You'll get 20% off. What I was going to say is I was listening to a little video by my mentor, Jim McGuigan, and realizing that this Bible is about a person.

And, you know, everybody comes to Christ with a certain amount of baggage. And somewhere in my childhood, because we weren't raised in church necessarily when we were little, I would say a bar. So take this for what it's worth. I thought the Bible was a rule book. I don't know where I got that from. But I mean, I thought that for years. I thought, okay, if you want to follow God,

you're going to have to study this book, figure out the rules, and figure out how to achieve victory somehow and other, which it was kind of a wrong perspective, because you really realize that, Jesus is the one that triumphed over loneliness, sin. There's a lot of things in there. It's not just, you know, death itself.

I think it was kind of presented that way, just to us when we, when mom and dad got engaged then in a church. Well, maybe I didn't think I was listening, but maybe I was. Because the idea was, is the old law didn't apply necessarily. We didn't really worry about that anymore. Well, I think I did. Well, maybe so. But what I was taught was not, but now this New Testament is all the new law.

And so all the stuff in here. And we got to that new law by what was the three things that? The scripture example and inference or whatever. Oh, no, it was a command example. Necessary inference. And necessary inference. Which is always, there's a tricky, there's a subjective. Know what this means where you, you know, it's a.

like any game you play or you go any course you study you think you have to figure out what are the rules what do i have to do to pass and then i can do this so my point was uh i was just i'm going to be a part of uh big jim's funeral and so i was just kind of going back listening to yeah some of his videos and uh for some of reason, I felt like I had more clarity. And I just had that experience when he played that sound bite from our dad. It's like, well, what is this where once someone dies, then we listen to them? And for some reason, what they're saying is making more sense to me in the moment. Is that a phenomenon or is that just a personal thing? I don't know. I just, I have that feeling of like,

wow, that was a really good point. And I miss that. But I know, you know, we'll experience that again. I think of people like my dad and Mr. McGuigan, I do think, man, on the other side of these things, these are the types of people I'm looking for on the other side of our redeemed bodies. They're just such lightning-rod people.

I want to see their attitude. and how they're speaking on the other side of this. Well, I made a point last night when I was sharing at the men's thing that we talked about the last podcast that Kyle and I were at together, that dad and I had a complicated relationship. There's a picture I show, and it's of me when I was one year's old. And so dad was in that picture would have been either 19 or 20 on my birthday. I think it wouldn't be quite 20 yet.

And so he's a 19-year-old Phil looking there. You know, he's looking like one of your kids when they were, you know, like Reed when he was a teenager with me, with this baby. And he's, you know, on this college campus. And then there's a picture of me and him together at the studio where we were recording some things for one of his books. And it just in the moment of me seeing the picture, I didn't know what I was going to say necessarily about it. But I said, you know, dad and I were, we had a complicated relationship because our spiritual timing was off for a long time. He was a heathen and a non-Christian when I was growing up through those years from the baby until I was 10 years old. But I still got, like, input from a church community because the preacher lived up the street,

Brother Leighton and his wife, sister, Layton, she was blind. And they took me every Sunday and Wednesday. And so I got to hear the stories. And it was kind of a little bit of a legalistic, you know, a little bitty church. But at the same time, I got all the stories and Abraham, all the reasons I loved. love the Old Testament now is because of what I heard from those two people. So I was getting fed during that time. And even you didn't get it because you weren't quite old enough to, I guess, for them to just take you. But I would go. And so then dad becomes a Christian, gets on fire for

Christ. And then I go down the rabbit hole of sin and wasted away my teenage years. And even when I came back and he helped disciple me, and I showed that clip in the movie where we're sitting on the porch, and he really, you know, disciple me so much in those early months. But even then, we were such a different place because he's now, you know, he's going to wind up teaching and doing all that stuff. And I was still just trying to figure it out,

get married and dealing with all that stuff. So all of our timing of ministry never really came together until these last 10 years that I got because of what started with the movie. And then you and I started the little company. And those last 10 years were so glorious because we got to just like be at the table together. And, of course, you were part of that, too, does.

But we got to just sync that up and then, like, spend his last years just putting out, you know, what we've been doing. And so it was just, I was telling the audience last night, it was, that's a huge blessing for me to get that opportunity. You don't always get that, you know, with your parents or brothers. And that was special. Yeah, and he used to go home and tell mom,

because mom would tell me, he wouldn't necessarily say it to me and Jay's, he would every once in a while, but he would tell mom, he was like, Ms. Kay. we raised some really fine sons. I mean, they know way more about the book than I ever knew. You know, stuff like that. And so, you know, and I would hear that and it's like, man, what a blessing to get to do that for some period of your life on the earth. You know, you do work.

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So there was a period of my life where I would look back at some of the things I was taught or maybe the church I grew up in with, I don't know, resentment or disdain or whatever. I can't believe we ever taught that or believed that. but I think you've got to look back with a gratefulness. We all have broken theology. We all have stuff this probably not in the Bible that we've bought into. But it's more important is that rhythm of just, man, seeking the face of Jesus. And that couple, I mean, they were, what they knew, they were dripping into you.

And even like listening to this thing with Phil, I mean, we're still talking about the king in the kingdom. I mean, that's what we talk about on this podcast. And he was bringing that up on episode two. Oh, let me tell you that up back when we were kids. And let me tell you this, just before you do that. Zach, there's an interesting little spiritual irony. Did you know that in our movie, in My and Lisa's movie, one of Lisa's friends in the movie, the little teenage friends in some of the early scenes, that she's in three or four

scenes, is the great-great-granddaughter, and maybe three greats because, I mean, this guy would be over 100 now of the guy of that couple she just happened to audition for a part in our movie and got it and i found out later that she's you know related to that couple by now three or four generations past are the couple that took you under their wing and take you to church wow i mean you're talking about jason you're talking about the guy in the last podcast what are the odds of that when i heard this story i was like what are the odds of that this girl would be in the i told you about my trip to sparta which was awesome and uh You know, got the gospel shared and had this wonderful experience.

But that whole trip started with this guy responding, and there was no altar, there was no call. He just responded. I mean, he's working it out. I just happened to be there. And in between the podcast, I was saying, it was almost like, as I reflected on this later, here's a guy in the middle of an airport, you know, making a decision to where he's now. He wants to surrender to Jesus. And I was like, from my perspective, none of the people around were even there.

Here's a guy working it out with God. And I don't even know his story. We didn't even have a conversation. Yeah. And you saw that, which was very powerful. But when on the way home, my last leg coming back to Monroe, the couple sitting beside me, the man asked me something about OCS. I couldn't hear what he said. And so I knew, I mean, I'm heading back to Monroe,

so you figure I know some people on this plane. Sure. Well, for sure some of them know. I think what he said later was that, are your kids still at OCS, which my kids went to, it's a Christian school in Monroe? But we started talking,

and then his wife said, well, you don't know me, but my dad was a really good friend with your dad. Now, I hear that all the time, especially in the last... My grandpa, honey with your dad. In fact, in Sparta,

I had two different guys come up and say they were friends with my dad. I'd never heard of them and never seen them, and everything they said didn't ring a bell. I'm not saying it wasn't true. I just, you know, I hear that a lot. But when she said the name, my dad is Jimmy Wayne George.

I said, now I know that man. I remember that man. She kind of, you know, look back like, she's like, oh, you really remember him? I was like, oh, he's unforgettable. I said, and his brother, Danny Joe. Danny Joe, that's right. I said, those were two of the craziest men

that my dad ran with back in his before Jesus. They were running buddies in the day. Oh, yeah. And this guy was one of the funniest humans. Think sigh, but more, more sense. you know, like, Si, you're like, he's crazy, but this, just the gift of gab

is an understatement. He used to call me, I told her this, she wasn't aware of this when we had our little duck call shop. He would call me and tell me two crazy stories, and I'd be like, well, that's funny, well, what do you need? And he's like, I wanted to tell you them two stories.

And we would have, I'd put him on speakerphone. But she said, I don't know if you know this, but he finally, because she was being very like I didn't know that he was one of my dad's old running buddy. She's like, not a good human. I said, I'm fully aware of who your dad was.

I know you're, she was having trouble realizing I remember who your dad is. I was like, oh, I got it. I said, and I loved your dad because he was funny and nobody could tell a story. Well, she probably, I don't know how much she knew. of his interaction with our family and with dad post-Christianity. Well, I told her that.

I said, my dad made an ambition to bring him to the Lord, and she's like, well, it worked. And she told about his last couple years before he died. And she's like, he just really, his life was transformed. Oh, that's great. Oh, it just warmed my soul, and I was thinking. Because I didn't know that. I didn't either.

And I said, I wish I could call my dad and tell him that, because I'm not sure he was aware of that either. But I thought, isn't that something how the good news is still happening? Despite both of these men are dead now. And we're connecting. I'm having a son. And what's the odds that I just happened to be sitting beside her? Which I said, don't take this the wrong way because her dad was, you know,

a rough guy. I was like, I can see your dad in your face. I see your dad. And she's like, well, I'm not sure that's a good thing. I was like, I didn't mean anything by it. You start commenting on how a woman looks. Speaking of complicated relationships. But I really could in just the way she taught.

And I said, that really brings me a lot of joy. And I know there's joy in heaven. If that's possible, you know, you remember Samuel being summoned from the dead and Jesus having this conversation with Elijah and Moses. I mean, they had been gone, respectively. what, 800 years and 1,500 years in some capacity. And that's why I brought that up about the conversations that are going to happen. We get our new bodies and all this.

These are good times, this hope that we have. You know, when Peter said we have a living hope. Some of us have gone on to be with the Lord, because the Bible doesn't get into the details at all about this period in between death and the resurrection. It doesn't. It just uses that phrase a few times about being with the Lord.

When Jesus told the thief on the cross, today you will be with me in paradise. Forget about paradise meaning garden. Well, the garden was in the beginning. But then the garden's at the end of Revelation. And it's a picture of the garden in the new heaven and earth. You're like, well, which is it? Is it in the beginning garden?

Is it the garden, Jesus said, hey, after we die, we're going to meet up at the garden? Or is it the garden that we're all being represented at the final resurrection? And I think the answer is absolutely. Because to God, all are alive. We're just in this transition period where our loved ones are dying. And Hebrews 11 kind of maps that out. But they're witnesses somehow another to these great things that are still happening. And people are always super curious about that

because the Bible doesn't say much about it, which makes it more curious. Dad used to always believe that he would, he believed in a soul sleep. Remember how you'd always say, you know, it's just like that when they knock you out for one of these surgeries, you know, you're talking and you go to sleep

and then you wake up and it's like it didn't have. He gets that from the English translation, which is sleep, which when you get into that Greek word, I mean, I wasn't prepared to go down that rabbit hole, but, and I had many discussions with him about that, because I said, I'm not sure you're sleeping. Yeah. But I think as it relates to time, it is, I think he is correct, which is why they do translate that. I don't, you've now entered a realm that is not bound by space or time.

That's why I don't answer questions when they say, well, where are you going? It doesn't really matter. You're with the Lord. wherever he is is not bound by the normal earth, gravity, time. But you're right. People try to attach the things they hate about time to. It's like, what are we just going to do?

Like, sit around and wait. Oh, it burns my bacon out. Like whatever it's going to be that God is, we've totally given our lives to him, but we're going to be like in an eternal waiting room, like looking at our watch thinking, God, can we speed this thing up? Because, you know, I've been here a long time.

I mean, in your anger, don't sin. but when somebody asked me that question, which I've been asked dozens of times, what are we going to do when we get there? Well, bless your heart. You get to live forever with the people you love. And even Jesus gave you a glimpse that you can do earthly things.

He ate some fish as a new heavenly, imperishable being, if you so desire. You get a glimpse of that. He's hugging people. But you know, Dave, people do that even. now because you'll go to someplace really cool and you plan the trip. And of course, some people plan it today, but a lot of people just, they show up someplace, it's beautiful, it's fantastic.

And somebody said, well, what are we going to do? And you're just like, let's just enjoy being here. Like, we don't have to plan out every minute. You know, even people will do that on Earth. How about celebrating the idea that we're alive and get to experience anything? It's better than being dead or cut off from the. presence of the Lord. And I like that you said that word hope, too, because it really is the only hope we have.

You know, you think about when you lose somebody young or, you know, things that really bother us. But the only hope you have is that there's something beyond. There's something there for us, you know, long term. It's the only hope we're of reunification and reconciliation of all these people. Well, I want to give you your segue, because you preach. yesterday, which I didn't get to hear because I was traveling. Well, I was speaking and traveling. But y'all are doing a series about, don't let me miss say it.

What are y'all doing? It's called Walking in the Fear and Worship of the Lord. So walking in the fear and worship and worship. Kind of a combination of those two things. Of the Lord. And so I'm sure someone tackled you have the number one saying in the Bible, according to some research. I haven't actually researched this myself,

so take it for what it's worth, is do not be afraid. Correct. Is this the most odd thing Jesus said for sure? But number five, three, four, or five is fear of the Lord. So it's a doozy to tackle, but y'all are tackling that side of the fear of the Lord. What we're really doing today is one,

because we've all been traveling, and preaching and doing things. And so we're sharing those experiences. Because I think no matter what we talk about from a Bible perspective, living that out, living a spirit-filled Jesus' disciple life, I think gives weight to the things we're discussing. So when we take these trips and all,

we're trying to make disciples of all nations. So I think it's exciting. And that's why these stories come up about a guy responding responded to what? In the middle of the D.F. Debbie Airport. He gives his life to cry. It's the first time in my life that I've ever had to get to respond, and I never said a word.

Just wrap your head around that. But what I was going to say is, I do think this is good background for your sermon, because I know it was about Job. Because he used that phrase a lot, and I'll let you preach your sermon. But I wanted to say, it's good background.

for the book of James. I'm trying to make this work for people who are following us about James because our last podcast, I don't know if James ever came up because we had a guest. Yeah, we had a guy on. But I just want to remind you

that there's a little verse in James that says, even the demons believe in Shutter. So he was making a point about just acknowledging that there's a God, it's not good enough. Right. And maybe, you know, the fear of God can bring some context to that.

Just believing that he's there. But respecting him, fearing him being in all of him, there should be some life change, is James' point. But then he also categorized the evil one. And the reason I'm bringing this up, because the whole book of Job starts off with this conversation between God and the evil one. Which makes it so, that's what makes it so compelling.

And look, I am really passionate about something that I want to bring up on this point, which is why I'm trying to frame this around background to the book of James, because I think I've had a lightning bolt rabbit hole moment about the evil one and how we should view him. But I just want to point out how many times he's brought up. He's brought up about the two kinds of wisdom in James III, because it says... God the devil. Yeah, and this idea of sin comes from selfish ambition and your bitter envy. That's where disorder and every evil practice comes up. It's a very profound statement that James made. But he said the wisdom that's involved in that of those decisions, being bitter,

and your ambition is to please yourself and your kind of self-survival to the expense of all others, that kind of wisdom is earthly and it says of the devil well then he gets to james four and he starts finally saying what do we need to do about this how can we make some changes and he talks about humbling yourself but he has a really interesting verse in verse seven when he says submit yourselves then to God, resist the devil and he'll flee from you. And that's really, that verse is where

my epiphany came from. But I just wanted to point that out because that is the backdrop of the book of James and the book of Job in this conversation. And there's

one other one I think in James Chapter 5 that brings up the one. He mentions Job and James 5, right? That's what it is. Yeah, that's where I was going with that. I had a brain issue. So when he mentions persevering like Joe, there is a inference there, speaking of necessary inference,

of the role of the evil one in us and God and that struggle. That's what I wanted to bring out. So now you can tell us about it. So, yeah, that's a perfect segue. Because I began, we did a, and Zach I invoked the name of your mom. yesterday at the beginning of my sermon because the staff at our church has come up with a 10-week devotional that is going along with this study where they look at the lives of people mostly from the Old Testament who had this fear of the Lord because that was used a lot in the

Old Testament. And they did this acrostic, and I said my Aunt Jan was the queen of the acrostics. She had a bunch of them. She did. That's how she taught. And so here was their acrostic fear. so F-E-A-R, and an acrostic, by the way, if you don't know, is to take a letter from a word and then but have a thought go with each word, which is a great way to memorize, you know, a four-point sermon or whatever. So fear was faith, and E was expectation, and A was all, and then R is reverence. That was their little acronym. And when I looked at that, I really liked it.

And the main thing goes, J-S-you- just said it, the idea of faith, this is acting. living belief. This is not just a mental acuity. This is something that motivates into action. And the expectation, I love that concept because that's that eager. Remember we talked about the word eager? That's the idea of a busy hope is what I call it. There's a hope, but we're not just sitting around like we're in a waiting room. We have an expectation of who God is. And then there's awe. And I love what you were talking about in the last podcast, as about being out in that field. because when I think of all, I think about revelation. I think about the revelation of creation, of scripture, of relationship.

Those are all God revealing himself to us. And then reverence, everybody thinks that that is quiet, and it can be quiet, but it can also be loud. You need to get a group of people praising God. I mean, that's a reverence, you know. And you're defining this fear with the reverence? Yeah, this was how I led into it, the idea of fearing God. And so I just took their acronym and made that. And when we were reverent, we're always submissive, humble, and repentant,

which is the way the book of Job is going to end. So I want to interject something. Because I want to go back, because this is confusing on don't be afraid and fear God. So I, just off the top of my head, this hit me when you were, I mean, the fact that you had reverence for our. I'd already looked this up before you said. said that. That's why I pointed that out. So in Hebrews 214, which I feel like I read this, every podcast, that's how strongly I feel about this verse on why Jesus became a human. Why did that? And, you know, he didn't bring a battery pack power source. You know,

he became a human. Yeah. And in verse 14, when it says, therefore, since the children had flesh and blood, he himself became a human. Likewise, part of becoming a human, that through his death, he might destroy the one who owes the power of death, that is the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. So you see, when you see that, don't be afraid. And think of that, don't be afraid of the, don't be afraid of the one who can kill the body. Well, the evil one is using that fear of death of killing the body to control people. And we did a whole podcast on that in James about this survival instinct.

He uses that somehow to where you look at other people as expendable to the elevation of yourself. It's a survival mechanism that God gave us that the evil one is using as a temptation for you to look down on other people. But then just three chapters later in Hebrews, in chapter five, when you look at Jesus and how he's described, I find this fascinating. It says in verse 7, in the days of his flesh, his humanity, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications with loud cries and tears to him, his father, who was able to save him from death.

So it's contrast to Hebrews too. and the evil one using that fear of death to manipulate him, and we know Satan and Jesus had it out in the wilderness. Right. And Jesus won, because he said, no, I'm not going with you. So then it said, and he was heard because of his reverent submission, which is the holy fear and respect, reverent, your acronym. Yeah.

Or what did you call it? Yeah, Christ did. Acrostic. So, no, it's so good. And what's interesting is the way I broke it down, Job was also challenged three times by the evil one, and I get into how that happened. And at the end of every one of those,

the Bible says clearly Job did not sin in his response to God. Yeah. And it was a very similar response. Because I love what you said about the evil one earlier. that we almost overplay his role because what... Oh, do we overplay it? Look, somebody said, if you don't... What was that saying?

If you underestimate Satan, they'll say you'll underestimate sin. And I think the opposite. Yeah. If you overestimate Satan, you underestimate sin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Satan is not God. Which is a big point James makes all throughout his book. Look, we're only allowing Satan to do what he does.

Well, that's my point about that verse when he said, resist the devil and he'll flee from him. Right. Satan is not God. He's not on the present. He's not everywhere at the same time. And I want to say this, he doesn't make you do anything. Nothing.

But listen to this. Neither does God. Right. He doesn't make you. If he did, What would you be? You'd be a puppet. Yeah.

And it just, now look. Well, you wouldn't be made in his image. If he made you do everything and you had no self-agency, then you wouldn't be made in his image. I think this goes back to what you said to, the demons believe God and they shudder. And what James is pulling out in his work is he's pulling out this idea that the church I grew up in,

way I kind of heard, or at least the way I understood the gospel, was that I had to get the right belief system. I need to believe that I'm a sinner and that Christ died for me. And then I come to Jesus, I guess, through that belief. But the problem is, is that I don't, how do you choose a belief? I mean, that is a fair question. You don't necessarily choose what you believe. I want to believe this is true. But what if I don't believe that's true? Help me in my unbelief. Why does the, why is that the prayer? Help, Lord, help me in my unbelief. Because belief is something that happens when you get convinced and convicted of something. I think the actual call is more akin to because the demons believe.

You can believe in God all you want, but the problem is if you're not trusting in him and you're not attracted to what he has to offer, it's much more about us coming to fall in love with Christ, that what's being offered is reality. This is the pathway into life. And so my choice is to move into the direction of where life is, as opposed to moving in the direction of where death is. Sin leads to death. So I reject my choice is I'm going to, what I believe is that looks disgusting.

That looks like a death work. I'm moving away from that. And I'm moving over here into what is true and what is good and what is beautiful. And if I move in that direction, well, this is where God's at. This is where Jesus is at. And so that's what James is essentially doing. He's not simply saying get the right set of belief systems and play, and then you'll be good.

He's saying, no, no, no, you want to be with God, then you've got to participate in reality, because that's who God is. I so want to preach a sermon right now with everything in me, but Al, I'm not going to hijack your sermon. Okay. I'm going to save it for when we get to change. But remind me later, because I'm agreeing.

Some of this I'll bring out like, because I can't do the whole thing today. And by the way, talk about the interaction because I think this is. Well, there are two things that two opinions, the two epiphanies that I had that I want to make sure and get in today. And some of this I'll share it later when we get to Job in chapter 5. And also, WFRchurch.org, this sermon will be out there. So if you want to go watch it anytime you can.

But two things I noticed, and we talk a lot about language, and we all look back at Hebrew words and Greek words, and they give you that in Hanson. We told you how it's not difficult. You don't have to be a scholar. It's Bible Hub will just take you there. Yeah. And it helps you. So two things I didn't notice before until this study.

One was that the two main Old Testament names of God, and there are others, but the main two, Elohim and Yahweh are both used. Elohim is the exclusive word for God in Genesis 1, and God created and God created. So that's a picture of God of God. It's like no one can compare. He created everything, including us. And it was good. So that's Elohim.

But then Yahweh, which is also mentioned, it's translated Lord in the book of James, is the God of relationship. That's used. That's, you start seeing that in Genesis too, the Lord God. The Elohim Yahweh, the one who has a relationship with the humanity he created. What's important to notice that distinction in this book, because this book is about a relationship with a man that God loved. And so here was my struggle with Job for many years.

really helped clear this sermon in this study, was it because when the question is asked, because by the way, there's three descriptions of Job in this book, first by the author, in the land, and this is one, in the land of us, there lived a man whose name was Job. And this is, we're talking about probably 2,000 years BC, the Abraham era, maybe a little earlier. This man was blameless and upright. It wasn't perfect. Again, that word is a pure, complete, straight, right, gentle. That's what those Hebrew words mean.

And then here you go, Jay's. He feared God and shunned evil. And there's that idea about the resistance part. Now, God says the same thing about, he uses that same description later in the text whenever he has the conversation with Satan who's roaming through the earth. Here was the verse that really had me bottled up until I took a dive. into it. I want to make sure you can get this in today on the podcast. It's when the Lord God says to Satan in verse 8, have you considered my servant, Joe? Now, I got to tell you right now, that verse always had me

shaking into my boots because I thought always like God is saying, you know, I got this little hidden gym down here in the east to Satan. You don't know about him, but have you considered him like he was outing Joe? Because what I always, and I said this yesterday, the sermon. I fear that like, have you considered my servant, Al, who's living in the land of the Wester. Don't mention my name. I got enough problems.

But look, this phrase, here's the one, y'all are going to love this. This is such a Jace rabbit hole. So this phrase that for have you considered, because the name of my sermon was, are you being considered? And it's a rhetorical question because the answer is yes. Yeah. We're all being considered. But this, so I looked up this word, have you considered?

because then he says there's no one on earth like him. He's blamed us enough right, a man who fears Elohim God and shuns evil. This word, the first, it's two parts, but the first Hebrew word simply means to put something. So I take this cup and I put it on the table. That's the common use of that phrase, and which sounds so weird because have you considered, you put something down. But when you look at the context of where it's used, there's another word that's added to it, which means to put a burden on.

which makes a lot of sense for years. So he's basically telling Satan, have you put a burden on Job? Because here he is. Because Satan knows who he is, because he comes right back with, well, yeah, of course he fears you. You give him everything.

So Satan's fully aware of Job. So he wasn't saying, hey, you already try Job. He already knows about Job. Job has been shunning him for a long time. It shows Job's heart. He even prayed for his kids. Anytime his kids would get together, he would go and offer a sacrifice

just in case somebody messed up. And I was like, now there's a man of faith. He's thinking about generational faith. You know what just hit me? This is the first poker game. Yeah. God put a chip on the table. And he said, consider this.

And the evil one looked and said, I think you're bluffing. That's right. Seriously. Yeah. I'm going to put that bet to the tent. Call. I like it. I like it that God went all in on top.

So listen to this. Here's where it gets interested. So this word to put a burden on, I found two places where it's used in Genesis. The first was in Genesis 21, and it's when Abraham is sending Hagar and Ishmael away. And you remember the context. They tried to do their own little plan,

come up with this kind of a surrogate deal to get the son that Abraham has promised. Well, it didn't work out because it wasn't God's plan. And so basically when it doesn't work out, Sarah, she's now jealous of the situation and she can't live with it. And she tells Abraham, you've got to send them away. Well, Abraham feels bad because he's like, well, I mean, you know, they didn't do anything wrong. So God comes to Abraham and says, look, don't worry about it. I'm going to build him into a nation because he's your son.

You can send them away. Here's where the Hebrew word comes in. Abraham puts a burden. This is the word, considers. Hagar by giving her water and food on her shoulder. So she's literally carrying provisions out into the wilderness, which would have been a death sentence, except God has already told Abraham,

I'm going to take care of her. So he gives her enough provision to get out to the desert, and then God's going to hear her cry, Yahweh. So that's the first place that she used, and I thought, hmm, that's interesting. So the burden was actually a blessing because it was a provision for her. Guess when the next time is used,

the next chapter in Genesis 22, Abraham takes Isaac to sacrifice him. Now the son of promise is here. When he puts the wood on him, same Hebrew word. He considers him and puts the wood on the sacrifice. Then in verse 9, when he gets to the altar, he puts him on the altar. Same word.

So the idea is... You're talking about a burden. Oh. When you're putting your kid, homes a wood. And look right up to the knife, right? But guess what happens? God hears the cry.

God says, no. Don't do that. And then, of course, he provides the sacrifice. When Abraham was putting Isaac on the altar, that goes back to that fear of death that he didn't take the temptation. He said, I'm going to trust God that he's got a plan. So listen to what he says, listen to what Yahweh tells Abraham in that moment. He says, now I know you fear me because you were willing to give your only son.

So there's the Hebrews 5, which is Jesus. saying, I'm not going to. So that's what opened it up for me, and there's much more to the sermon because we're running our time. But that was what opened it up for me was the idea that I realized, because what happens is Satan, then he goes at Job, right? And one terrible day, he lost all of his wealth, all the people that worked for him, and sadly all of his children, which was just the tragic part of it.

And then how does he respond? He responds in worship. He says, naked I came. naked I leave. The Lord gives. The Lord takes away. But praise be in the name of the Lord. So he responds the right way because God knew, like you said, the chip was out there. He knew about Job's integrity.

He knew he really feared him. And so the point I made to the audience yesterday was fear of the Lord is to fear him, to revere him, to love him more than your other greatest fears. Whatever they are. And it could be death. it could be the loss of a child. Because later, of course, Satan comes back and does it again to Job. This time he strikes him physically with this terrible disease that physically he looks so bad.

And then his wife looks at him and says, you might as well just curse God and die. And you think, well, and she had had a terrible loss too. But at the same time, it's like when you lose the one who's the one that's going to help you get through this, he literally was left alone. And so when you get to Job 3 and he's saying stuff like, he sat there for a week and didn't say anything. friend showed up and they just sat there in a circle for a week nobody said a word and i said yesterday i said those three guys should have kept that up because when they started talking they were idiots but joe he starts saying things like i wish i'd never been born it would have been better for me to be taken in

the womb you know then to live and then he said this listen to this verse 25 what i feared has come up on me what i dreaded has happened to me so what he's saying that is is, I've always worried about this. That was my greatest fear. And now he's being challenged to fear of the Lord. And here's what he said, I have no peace, no quietness, I have no rest, but only turmoil. And so I kind of had to fast forward to the end of the book, because the next 30 chapters are, and I said that Elifaz, so far and Bildad should have been called Larry Moe and Curley because they, they believed the whole time that, you know, something was wrong with Job. Let's know what one of them said, Jay. When your children sinned against God, now he's

says this to the guy who just lost his 10 kids. Yeah. When your children sinned against God, he gave them over to the penalty of their sin. And look, people use these types of... They still do it. These people use these type of verses to somehow construct, you know, a belief in, you know, these kids were bad. Retribution, yeah. Well, right.

And you got to remember this, God at the end of the story, which I'm sure you addressed, he addresses those three friends. Oh, yeah. He says they were idiots. They didn't know what they were talking about. And in fact, it didn't end well for them. Well, the only reason they survived it, he was going to put them to death

is because Joe prayed for him. Yeah. The very guy they were insulting. And it's a difference in their advice and then Job's perspective because he was going through the trial, so he does make statements, kind of like when David, you know,

realized what he had done by committing adultery and committing murder. And remember when he said, surely I was sinful at birth. It's kind of like what Job said. It'd been better off for me not to even be here. Because it is painful. And these trials that made me think of where James started when he said, consider it pure joy whenever he faced trials of many kinds.

And the fact that he brings up Job later in chapter 5, it's just really hard to do that in the moment. So let me give you my last point here before we round time. So at the very end of Job, Job 38 through 41, God shows up after all these discussions and says, let me just tell you two things, because there's a bunch of stuff in there, but he had two main points. I am God and who are you? And I did your Shaq thing where somebody said, was insulting Shaq, he said,

who? Yeah, I did that yesterday. And here was Joe's response. I want to end with this. This is where Job gets to at the end of. This is, and by the way, I said, this is how you get a book named after you in the Bible when you've got this mindset. Job replied to the Lord, I know that you can do all things. No purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge? Surely I spoke of things I did not understand. Things too wonderful for me to know. You said, listen now, and I will speak.

I will question you and you will answer me. And here's the money phrase. my ears had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you. Ooh. I mean, that's the thing. Now he knows. He says, therefore, I despise myself and repent and dust and ashes. And I made the point that people say, wait a minute, I thought you said Job didn't sin. Why is he repenting?

You don't have to sin to change. Yeah. Sometimes you have to suffer to change. And that's what Jesus showed us. I mean, suffering can shape us and change us. And so that was kind of the end of my sermon that went into the call. To put the button on the poker analogy, Satan called and he had three representatives, humans, who were doing demonic advice giving, they lost.

They lost. That's right. The call, let's play this out. He played the hand. The evil one loses those who put their faith and trust in demonic behavior. and advice, they also lose, which Jesus is going to mirror that in the defeat of the evil one, which is he reached. And my thing was, if you fear the Lord, you are going to be considered, there will be burdens put on you?

The question is, will you fear the Lord through the process? So a theme of that is, God's not bluffing. It's not bluffing. I like it. All right. We'll see you next time. Don't Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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