Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 147 | The Religion of BLM, Social Justice Jesus, and 'Cuties' | Guests: 'Just Thinking' Co-hosts

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

"Just Thinking Podcast" co-hosts Darrell B. Harrison and Virgil "Omaha" Walker join Phil, Jase, and Al to discuss the church of Black Lives Matter, onerous government mandates for churches, liberals turning to Jesus, spiritual poverty, the fabrication of "Social Justice Jesus," why dads matter, and one problem with Netflix's "Cuties" that's not getting enough attention. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome to our just-thinking friends, new friends, Daryl and Virgil. Yeah. Or Omaha, because I listen to one of your podcasts, and one of you was referred to Omaha. Yeah, that's me. I've got the, Darrell was giving me the moniker, Omaha. I live in Omaha, Nebraska, so it's fitting. and middle of the country,

and we get a kick out of that. Well, every year that LSU baseball makes it to the College World Series, I'm in Omaha, so we've been right next to each other and didn't know it. No, bro, hook me up, man. Now that we're connected, just let me know. I'd love to come connect with you guys. It'd be great. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You know, and it's interesting, Virgil, because all the people we meet in Omaha because we've been so many times, they love LLSA. LSU fans because they've made like a connection. And so in LSU baseball fans are really like almost cultish, you know, in terms of, you know, coming up there. So like they've made like lifelong friends. They bring gumbo pots and there's, you know, big tailgating deals.

And it's really interesting talking to like people that own the shops and stuff. They're like, we love it when LSU makes it to the world series. Well, some of my friends said, now they're kind of rowdy. I said, no, look, they need Jesus. That's what I'm doing there. I love them, but I realize, okay, they need Jesus. It's like everybody else. Absolutely.

It's a lot of fun to interact with the folks who come from all over the place. And with regard to the College World Series, it's a great blast. A lot of friends and family. My boss is actually at my church, our executive pastor. He is from Louisiana. He's a big LSU fan. So, of course, while I live in Omaha, Nebraska, I'm a fan of Oklahoma football. And so I wasn't too fond of watching Oklahoma being tanked by LSU in the semi-final.

But it's all good. We're still friends nonetheless. Yeah, I wasn't going to bring that up. It got ugly. That was a steam roll. It was over in about 60 seconds. Yeah, but to make you feel any better, Virgil, that happened to a lot of teams last year. for us you.

It doesn't make me feel better. Yeah. It doesn't make me feel better, brother, but that's all good. So now, Darrow, you're from Georgia, right? Yeah, native of Atlanta. I grew up there, born and raised. Yeah, it was, Atlanta was my home until a couple of years ago. My wife and I relocated out here to Southern California,

so I could come work at Grace to you, John McArthur, the Ministry. Which is really interesting. It's one of the things I want to ask you about today. was you guys like have been on the front line, the church there, in this whole, you know, lockdown deal. I mean, I mean, MacArthur's been out there right in the front of that thing. How was that going now? Yeah, well.

Tell us about, tell our audience about it because they may not all know. Jace doesn't watch news, so he doesn't know anything. No, I don't watch the news, but I did listen to one of y'all's podcasts. And I just want to warn you that I felt really dumb. Listen, you, y'all are willing. Way smarter than I will ever be. So lower your expectations here. I had to remind myself of that verse in the Bible that says

that the followers of Jesus were untrained, unschooled, ordinary men, but they had been with Jesus. So that's kind of my role in this. Just so you know. That's Acts 413, one of my favorite passages. But yeah, getting back to Grace Church, So Grace Community Church, which some of your listeners may not know, is located in Southern California, L.A. County. And Grace Community Church, under the leadership of John McArthur and our elders, made the decision several weeks ago after months of prayer and elder meetings every week, meeting with the pastor to obtain legal counsel.

because fundamentally our position, and when I say our, I'm speaking of John, the elders and the congregation at Grace Church, is that the government has no authority whatsoever to present the church from meeting in person indoors. Yes. To make a long story short, there's a legal process that's going on right now. a decision came down from the LA Superior Court last week, which basically placed a burden upon a race community church to abide by some very onerous, very demanding, unrealistic, mandates and regulations in order to have their blessing, the blessing of the county, to meet indoors. And matter of fact, John in his sermon yesterday, before he preached when he stepped into the pulpit yesterday, just to give viewers and those who were in attendance an idea of how onerous those mandates were,

read off several of them from what the county was asking and requiring Grace Community Church to do. A couple of those are in the parking lot. Every other parking space must remain vacant. In the restrooms, you must socially distance yourself six feet from each other in the restroom and have monitors on site to make sure that you're distancing yourself six feet apart from the restroom. They were demanding everyone who was going to be on the church campus pre-register with the county before stepping foot on the campus. They were also requiring that anyone who wanted to be on the church property can only be there for scheduled events. I mean, there were too many of these onerous mandates to even go through here on your program,

but I was so proud of John that he read those out because folks who are on the outside looking in at this thinks it's just a matter of just social distancing. Why don't you guys just social distance yourselves and comply with what the government is asking you to do? Well, it's not that simple. It's not that simple. So I was so glad that John read verbatim probably 15. or so different stipulations that the county has placed the burden upon Grace Community Church to comply with in order to have their blessing to meet and worship in person. And John is basically

saying enough. We're not going to do this. The Constitution protects our right to gather and worship. The government doesn't give us that right. Okay. So John in this position that he's taking, is just trying to make that clear to everyone. Yeah. That's unbelievable. I mean, you know, terrible. And I'm so proud of you guys and please pass this on to everybody there,

Darrell, that, I mean, the rest of the country is looking at it. And we're in disbelief as well. I mean, you know, there's our governor, you know, he basically said, you know, we have a mass mandate, but, you know, churches, we're not going to enforce anything, any of this stuff. I mean, he just said it publicly. So what he's basically saying is, we're going to leave that up to you, you know, because he understands the Constitution.

And he's a Democrat as well, you know, so it's just the mindset is what gets us. One of the problems we keep running into, it's great to be with you guys. I didn't know y'all, but they, but Al here, so you need to listen to these brothers here. He said, they got it down. I'm kind of like Jason. I'm like, whoa. But one thing that we noticed. They said, well, six-foot distancing.

You can't get any closer than six feet. Well, we've had about probably 140 that have come down a lot of it because they heard the podcast, and they want us to baptize them. I said, well, the government says with this government edict, the only thing I know to do is if I've got to be six foot away from you is get a rope tied to you and maybe snatch you under the water. I said, listen, here's what we're going to do. You put your faith in Jesus.

You believe he died for your sins, was buried and raised from the dead. I got Roman 6 here, it's pretty clear. Oh, we're going to baptize you. Let's see, he raised his dead men. But be careful of them viruses. He'll do you in on that. So I'm not buying it. You know what I'm saying?

We baptize all these people. How you feel bad? I don't. I don't feel bad. Me either. Well, yesterday, I had. had an event i was in stevens

stevensville i can't even remember where i was at i hadn't had any sleep so i'm apologizing and i'm already told you i'm not real bright basically jason's in a stupor today just so you know and i hurried back so i could go hunting this morning which was awesome by the way and then uh we had technical difficulties y'all were waiting we were waiting and then i told y'all what i was doing while that was happening i was just thinking So I go to this event yesterday and all the way over there. I was supposed to meet my wife there.

It was a six and a half hour drive. She said, have my parents drive you, which I don't know what I was thinking there. Because that was like some kind of weird intervention about our marriage. But anyway, so we'd get over there. And my wife said, I was too tired. I'll meet you back home. And now I'm like, what? But I couldn't figure out why are we doing this event?

Because of the coronavirus and most of them have been canceled. So when I got there for the VIP, we had a meet and greet, I realized what this was. This was a kids, it's kind of a foster home center where they bring in kids that basically have been abused and abandoned. And most of the people on the board at the center were older Caucasians, couples. And then the kids that I met was the United Nations. I mean, it was from every background, every conceivable way. well I got to meet all the kids before. And before I spoke, a lot of these kids got up and shared,

because it's Jesus-based. And after I kept hearing these kids get up and talk, it hit me. I thought, now I know while we're not worried about the coronavirus here today. Because based on what these kids have gone through, this is a drop in the bucket. I mean, we're trying to have some kind of life-changing experience. so of course I got up there and I just spoke to the kids and I introduced Jesus you know as the spirit enabled I was actually emotional and I because those kids were they were eating it up you know

we're made by you know we're made in the image of God we have a purpose here there may be a reason it's been so difficult but it's not an excuse you know things like that Jesus is about new beginnings you know I talked about the resurrection I could tell they were listening because for them it was it was an option that maybe they hadn't considered but at that time look i didn't notice what color they were there wasn't that that never crossed my mind when i was listening to y'all's podcast because i'm i didn't get the memo i never cost my mind what color y'all were and especially when you started started sharing the word i knew you were brothers of mine. And I know the podcast I listened to, y'all had titled, Whiteness. And I was a little nervous,

because I didn't know him. And I thought, well, what am I listening to? Whiteness? What is it? But I thought, I felt a lot of just, you know, I was so grateful for y'all's courage, because I know, look, we get persecuted because we're not ashamed. That's what this whole podcast is about. And I know, I know y'all persecuted after less than that when you take a stand on God's word and you love everybody and you stop noticing what color they are and start you know admitting that we're all created the image of God we all make mistakes and we all need Jesus more we need the next breath fresh air you're gonna be persecuted so I just wanted to say that that I think there's more important things going on

in this life than you know social distance and six feet. I mean, I try to show respect for everyone, but there are moments in life where you have to seize the moment. I was part of one yesterday. Chase, I'll tell you this, brother. I think I think you're spot on with what you said from where you went to the people who were there, you know, and the diversity of ethnicity that was there. At the end of the day, what you spoke about in that place is all that matters. At the end of the day, what matters is not their ethnicity. It's not the color of their skin.

It's not how much melanin or lack thereof is in their skin. What matters is where they're going to be when they meet their maker and they face eternity. And at the end of the day, the most important message that can be given is not about coronavirus. It's not about social distancing because all of us have an appointed time that we're going to die. We're going to have to be before our creator. And we're going to have to give an account for all that we've done in this life. life. And if we're if we've not if we've not been found in Christ having repented of sin and placing our faith in Jesus Christ, we will spend eternity somewhere, but it will be apart from him. And so

that's why the message of the gospel is critical. Daryl and I spend a lot of time trying to unpack all of these issues around social justice, around intersectionality, critical race theory. And all that kind of becomes confusing. But at the end of the day, it really boils down to the very simple message that you delivered to the folks that you were in front of, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ. One of the things we might as well admit it, here's the Apostle Paul to Timothy and 2nd Timothy 3. Hey, Dad, hang on.

Let's take a quick break. All right. You, however, know all about my teaching. The Apostle Paul is talking. My way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, and endurance. all these great qualities, he's saying, this is what I've been doing. Persecutions, listen to this, persecutions,

sufferings, what kind of things happened to me at Antioch, Arconium, Light, Listra, the persecutions, that's twice he said, I endured, yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ, Jesus will be persecuted. That's three times. in about three verses, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse,

deceiving and being deceived. You would think he was writing to the United States, somebody in the U.S. 2,000 years later, Al. That's right. But as for you, continue on what you've learned, have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy, speaking of kids, have known the Holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Here's the deal.

We're going to get persecuted that there's no way around it, but I think we're all here. Y'all and us, I think we're up to the task. Where do you think, Al? We have been so far. Absolutely. You know, one of my favorite verses when you talk about persecution is in Philippians, chapter 1 verse 29 where Paul says for to you it has been granted for Christ's sake not only to believe in him but also to suffer for his sake so a lot of what virgin I talk about just going back to

what Jess was talking about with the the kids and just the amazing ethnic diversity that was present there at that event a lot of what Virgin I talk about is born out of the fact that our sin nature has totally twisted and warped God just awesome design in creating us uniquely in his image. Okay, so we're all individually created in the image of God. We bear the image of God. Genesis 127 is clear about that. Genesis 5-1 is clear about that. But our sin nature, okay, has so corrupted us in how we view one another as image bears that a lot of what version I talk about on our episodes fundamentally have to do with the sin nature and how we cannot fix ourselves in that regard.

What we see right now in the culture with, especially with Black Lives Matters. When you look at Black Lives Matters, what we're seeing fundamentally, right, is a culture and a society that's trying to save itself. So fundamentally, that's the bottom line, a society that is trying to save itself from itself. Trying to be good without God. Right. That's tough. And what you're going to get with that, all you get is moralism. You don't get regeneration.

All you get is behavioral modification. You get moralism, but you don't get heart regeneration. And that is the difference between the gospel and humanism. BLM is all about humanism. BLM will try to tell you, by BLM, I mean Black Lives Matter, are trying to convince you that by destructing these structures, deconstructing these institutions and remaking them, will bring about this sort of social salvation,

the societal salvation, apart from what we know the gospel teaches us as in Acts 412, that Christ, there is no under name under heaven and they must be saved. It is Jesus Christ, but society is trying to save itself. And the vast majority of the topics that Virgin and I address, we try to bring the gospel up against the, that sort of ideology and worldview and tell our listeners, no, no, no, no, no, no,

the salvation you're looking for is not founding yourself. I mean, think about it, guys. We're trying to save ourselves from ourselves. Good luck with that. It's well said. Well said. It really is. I mean, we get to the same place.

I think y'all do it a lot more, you know, articulately than us. but it's like I've said for years, you know, and when you read the Bible, it kind of puts humanity into two groups, either a Jew or a Gentile. I mean, we're all Gentiles according to this. Right. And it didn't pay so much attention

about your color of your skin. But in our society now, it's just the fact that we are different is something that causes all this, however you want to say it, jealousy or envy or racism or, you know, all the problems that we have. But, but you're right, we're all uniquely different, even amongst ourselves. Correct. Right. I mean, if you looked at me and I would never think we were brothers. I mean, one looks good and the other one looks terrible.

Yeah, but he's gotten past it, you know. And I had a young girl, uh, uh, not this past Sunday, but the Sunday before, about 10 days ago. So I said, I said, said, males go to the left, females going on the right. We're here. We'll baptize you if you're facing Jesus. You confess Jesus is Lord. So they parted. I could see people coming out of the audience, you know.

I knew there were a lot of visitors there. So this young girl, I'm going to say she was about 25. She steps into the baptismal pool, kind of lifted up. It's back in the back. She steps in and she says, Mr. Robinson, I'm going to let you know. she said i'm from new york city and my mother she's with me she she wants you to baptize her too i said okay so she said i want you to know this up front i am a i have been until now i have been a left wing liberal like you i've been in the streets i i've done all that she said i read one of your

books and i read in there about jesus i didn't even know who he was she said I had no idea so she says I'm starting over right here and right now she said I noticed in your book you said you haven't converted but about one you know of of that of the left winger of the left winger she said but I'm just telling you there's more out there like me I'm sick of it I'm giving my life to the Lord and I said well confess I said look I know you from New York I said but honey you look perfectly normal But anyway, they both obeyed the gospel, her and her mother both. And I thought, well, this old thing about you can't reach them, you just keep hammering Jesus, him crucified and raised from the dead, life and immortality, freed from Satan, freed from sin, freed from guilt, freed from law, having to be perfect, and free from the grave.

Well, I'm thinking game set match here. Even the liberals are turning to Jesus, the left-wingers, because I've seen it in the last 10 or 12 days. It made me feel better, I'll tell you that. You can add free from the blue state tyranny, you know, on top of that, on top of everything else, this part of the person. The verse I was going to read that Galatians 326 says, you're all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

And before I continue reading, when you look at our culture and our society, a lot of things they want is this gender equality and what they call social justice. Well, when you read this and you think about what Jesus provides, he provides an umbrella for all of us to get under, because then he says, for all of you who are baptized in Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ, there's neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free,

male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And I'm like, all this stuff that we're kind of stereotyped and attacked for, I'm like, we're not noticing these differences because we're seeing what we have in common in Jesus. And it's all good. It's all good. You know, things like love and grace and forgiveness and understanding. Yeah, I mentioned that.

Let's take a quick break. I mentioned that yesterday. I preached yesterday. Jason and I and dad, all three of us are kind of volunteer preachers now at our church in a church plant. So one of us is usually up preaching. Volunteer means we're not taking their money. That's right. Well, I was a preacher.

I'm a believer who preaches because I don't want to, you know. I was supported for about 30 years, but now I get to do it for free, which is great. But I was talking about that yesterday at the start of my sermon. You know, it was really interesting because I've been watching protesters and rioters and, you know, everything that's been happening. And then I saw a video and some pictures when Hurricane Laura came through our state and did a lot of damage. And I see all these people, believers, mostly, going out into communities. And instead of destroying other people's property and burning businesses or courthouses or whatever,

I see people trying to rebuild and preserve their homes and help, you know, and it's just an outpouring of love. And it was such a stark contrast to me. I thought, this is what we have to do. I mean, this is the picture that God put his church here to begin with. This is the process. This is what we should be doing. And you'll never see a more stark contrast than I think you see today with the two ideologies of what it means to love people versus to destroy.

You know, it's the classic John 1010. The thief came to kill and destroy. But God said, I sent Jesus there to give you an abundant life, you know? So it's a stark contrast. Absolutely. I'll jump in and say this because I think both of you guys are sharing stuff. And I know I love what Phil is saying about, I mean, all of it is about, at the end of the day, it's about the word. It's about what scripture says. The social justicians, Al, would have us separate ourselves, would have us to not be connected to one another, to tell us we're all a part of separate groups. And those are based upon skin color or socioeconomic background or some cultural. cultural issue or some version of victimhood that we've experienced in life and that we need to divide ourselves on those basis. And what, again, what social justicians want to do is divide, but you guys have already said it. Chase, you mentioned how the, how God through his word

unites us. You talked about the fact that we're image bears of God, Genesis 127. One of the One of the verses of scripture that Darrell and I always appealed to is Acts 1726, where the Word of God declares that from one man, God made all of mankind. So the reality is while we're from, while we may look very different, but some of us better looking than others, we, by the way, I don't, I don't know what color old Adam was to your part. But I'm thinking, that dude wasn't white. He's over in a Ufrey T's valet, I said about, I said he wasn't brown, maybe.

Maybe black, I said, but he wasn't white. That's right. That's right. But the reality is God created us all, right? With the beauty of diversity that we all have, we're one human race created in God's image and likeness, while again the world would love to divide us and what we're seeing in the far left wing of party politics, what we're seeing in the social justice movement is a desire to divide us while the gospel and God himself unites us under his banner. for those who are in Christ, Ephesians chapter 2 tells us that we who are far off,

Ephesians chapter 2, verse 13, but now it says Christ Jesus Christ in you, you are once far off. You've been brought near by the blood of Christ. We've been brought near to one another in and through the gospel of Jesus Christ. So we're even more than simply image bearers having that unity. But you and I, you know, all of us who are here who are in Christ, at the unity, we are one body of Christ as a result of what he's done on the cross. Do you have anything you want to add to that? I saw you trying to jump there.

I like 2nd Corinthians 4, since through God's mercy, we have this ministry. We do not lose heart. Rather, we've renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not use deception, nor do, a lot of deception going on out there in the world, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly, we commend ourselves to every man's conscience. In other words, we're going to the heart, no matter who he is.

To every man's conscience in the side of God, the scary part is, and even if our gospel is veiled, he's going to bring up the enemy. it is veiled to those who are perishing. The God of this age, O Satan, has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

We don't preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. God said, let light shine out of darkness, may it his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. So no matter what we're going to do, guys, the enemy, the evil one, through the education system, through the muse media, through government officials, you say you get to looking at it through Hollywood, he gets a veil.

My scariest thought is, guys high in the world, are we going to get our children educated, Al, by not sending them to these indoctrination centers that are calling themselves. That's a lot of what these guys do that I love. I were going to get their kids educated

without them being brainwashed and blinded by these... But a lot of what they do is take on this ideology that's promoting that. I mean, it was so impressive to me the show I listened to. I mean, it was, you just turned it on its head. Because it doesn't make sense.

Darrell wanted to jump in. Jump in, Darrell. There's five proclaimers of the Word of God here, so everybody's got to just jump in. Somebody to interrupt us because we're. We do it all the time for ourselves. I think I might be, I think I may be the only non-preacher in this group of officious. I'm trying to apply good manners here, but I need to sort of learn from you guys and just jump in. Oh, yeah.

Just go for it, Darry. Go for it. What I thought Phil was going to say when he was talking about having the males go in one line, females go in another line, I was thinking about a person in Ecclesiastes where it talks about how insanity pervades the world even until today. And we look at some of the just absolute insane ideologies and philosophies that are trying to come at our children. I think that's what the world wants to get families first. They want to get your children and public school systems today. They're becoming less schools and more indoctrination centers. That is correct.

Right now, you can look at how the United States still compares to nations like China, you know, nations over in Africa when it comes to academics. And it's pitiful. It's pitiful. I think right here in California where I am right now, according to the study that I read a couple weeks ago, 75% of young black children read below young black fourth graders 75% of young black fourth graders read below the standardized testing level okay and yet those same fourth graders are learning

about homosexuality homosexuality lesbianism gender transitioning things that many of the teachers have learned in the colleges and universities that they attended. You see, so now they're imparting and inculcating this cultural insanity onto our kids. And I don't, what I'm about to say, I don't mean to upset any parents out there. Okay. But I'm thinking about First John Chapter 2, where John says, we are not to love the world nor the things in the world. So when you talk about how are we to educate our children, I think one reason, a primary reason why so many children of Christian parents are in public school today is because Christian parents have been chasing the world.

They've been chasing worldly goals, worldly ambitions, worldly objectives, the two-car family with the six-figure income with the house in the suburbs, and we're not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to protect the hearts of our children. what Virgil was saying earlier is on point. What we don't understand, when we talk about children, we make the mistake of seeing them only as flesh and blood individuals. But these are little children who from the moment they were conceived, okay, began an eternal existence. Like Berger said, they're going to live eternally somewhere. And we have got to start seeing our children, not as this flesh and blood,

boys and girls, but as boys and girls who God has endowed a soul, And that one day, those cute little boys and girls, they're going to die one day. That's right. They're going to die one day. And one day they're going to have to stand before God and give an account of themselves to the God who created them. And I'm just encouraging parents. I know that it is not easy. I'm not saying or suggesting it is.

But we have to be willing to make the sacrifices to get our children out of these public indoctrination centers and homeschool them. Number one, right? The biblical mandate is to raise your children in the fear and the admonition of the Lord. That is your first educational mandate for your children right there. The ABCs, one, two, three, that comes after that. Okay, it comes after. Now, one more thing I want to touch on. I think it was Chase, who mentioned the term social justice.

Social justice is one of the biggest lies. It is one of the biggest fabrications that has been right now persisting in the world for decades. You can go all the way back to the early 1960s as far as that goes. But when I think about social justice, you have groups like Black Glass Matters who will try to tell you that, well, America will achieve its highest ends when everything is equal. And what they mean by equal, they mean materially. When I say materially, I mean in terms of money, in terms of homes, in terms of jobs, in terms of houses, in terms of education, that all these things need to be equal for every single person,

not only in results, but in terms of opportunity. But when I think about social justice, I like to go to how in the scripture, how Jesus responded to John the Baptist, when John the Baptist sent two of his disciples to ask Jesus, listen, I need to know, are you the expected one, or are we to wait for someone else? Well, Jesus replied back to John.

knowing that John the Baptist was in prison and about to be beheaded now. John the Baptist was unjustly in prison. That is unarguable. He was unjustly in prison. But Jesus sent back to John the Baptist and said, go tell John what you've seen and heard. You've seen the blind sea. You've seen the deaf here.

You've seen the lame wall. And what did Jesus mention last? He mentioned last that the poor have the gospel preached to them. Now, Jesus, when he said the poor, he wasn't referring to the materially poor. He was talking about the spirit. spiritually poor. Jesus mentioned that poor, the spiritually poor, last because they're the most important. That's right. That's the most important thing that the poor, the most materially poor person needs on this planet. They need salvation in Jesus Christ because when that poor person dies, they're either going to spend eternity in heaven or hell. Jesus knew the job's going to be beheaded. But see what the social justice would have said, well, Jesus should have gotten John out of prison. He was in there unjustly. Why didn't he get John out of prison?

Why didn't Jesus say, well, you go tell John that the poor have homes to live in, the poor have clothes to put on, the poor have shoes, the poor have plenty of food to eat. No, because that's not why Jesus came. That's right. You see, so there's the biblical Jesus, and then there's the social justice Jesus. And a lot of the episodes, the version of I have you on the Just Thinking podcast have to do with helping listeners understand the distinct. between the two Jesus is here. We know there's only one, but the way we're trying to portray to you another Jesus

that is all about social justice, where the biblical Jesus is about saving you from your sin and from the wrath of God. So Darrell, you claimed that you're not a preacher, but after hearing that discussion, I think you are. Let's take another break, Dan, and then tell us. Basically, I just want to add to what, that's Darrell, right? Correct.

Darrell, among you, that's us, the sons of God, there must not even be a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed. Just take a look, step back, and he said it best. It's physical stuff. Everything. It's not spiritual. So what? Because these are improper for God's holy people.

Nor should there be any obscenity? No cursing. None. foolish talk or coarse joking which are out of place but rather Thanksgiving for this and I think the point Darryl made is a good one but here's about what it adds up to of this you can be sure no immoral impure or greedy person and that's the people we're dealing with led by Satan such a man is an idolater he's they've taken these uh construct coming out of these universities, Al, and they've created its idolatry.

It's anything but God and Jesus, his son, and the Spirit of God. And that's where they are right there. It's a country of idolatry. So we just keep preaching the message, it's all I know to do, boys. That's all you do. It's exactly right. I think y'all hit on a good point talking about kids. You know, with me, I've done some radical things with my kids.

because to me you wouldn't give, you know, around here, everybody has guns, it's a part of our life, we hunt, but I wouldn't give, you know, a third grader gun and say, good luck. Well, everybody would agree with that. But when you send them to some of these institutions that you mentioned where they're drinking daily poison, and then we're wondering, well, how come they're spiritually sick? I mean, it's the same concept. Well, one thing I deal with my daughter is because I figured giving them a phone was a privilege that I'm giving on. I'm paying the bill.

But I'm going to watch that thing because I want to make sure what's going in from that phone into her head was something that's useful and beneficial. So I gave her about a week. I looked at it. I went, nope, you must not be ready. See this? I said, that's no good. So took it away for a couple months, gave it back to her. About a week later, I said, is there anything?

thing on that phone that Jesus wouldn't approve of. She said, nope. Well, now she's lying because it took me about a little longer to find out that, oh, you tried to cover it up, but I know people with skills and we found it. And it's worse.

And so, look, we went a whole year without the phone. And some of my acquaintances and friends they were like, well, that's just too drastic. I said, but you know, her personality has flourished. We talked. We have conversations.

She's playing musical instruments because she's not dragging around by the phone. Tell them about your role about her friends, too. Well, what I did was I took away her phone and I became her on the social media sites where she was using the four little words and doing all that. I was acting like her. And so after a while, they kind of figured it out

because my daughter had had a complete change because it was me. And when they kind of figured it out, I told them, I was like, This is my daughter. This is her dad. And I've been monitoring y'all for days. And I want you to know that things will change from here out.

And if you want to make some changes and be a positive influence on my daughter, then you'll need to bring one or both of your parents over to my house. And we'll talk about it. But if you don't want to do that, I don't want you around my daughter because I've gotten to know you and it's ugly. and to my surprise, almost all of them brought their mom. No dad showed up, and we sat down, and not all of them were believers, but we had talks about Jesus, and there were tears that were shed. And it was overall a positive thing, but there was a few parents in the church

who were like, well, that's too drastic to take away the kid's phone for a year. And I was like, what are you talking about? They're like, well, I want to know where my daughter is. I said, look, I got an idea. You tell them where to be. I know where my daughter is because I told her where to be. And if I go there and she's not there, we got another issue. I don't need a phone to tell me that.

So for her 17th birthday, I gave her phone back, which has only been a week. And, of course, I asked her, I was like, are we making better decisions? And look, I can see it in her eyes. Yes, sir. We make him better decisions. Because at the end of the day, the reason I brought up the gun, thing. It is the heart of the person behind it. My dad's anti-phone, but there's a lot of good things that having people listen to us sharing Jesus on both of our shows through a phone. But it's

also, look, when I was that age, it would have been really tough for me to make good decisions if I had unlimited access to a phone with no supervision or accountability. I'm being realistic here. So I wanted to share that because when you said that, I thought, you're going to have, it's not going to happen by yourself. You're going to have to wake up and say, what my kids are doing, it's too quiet in here. Everybody's in their own little cubicles and their own little rooms getting indoctrinated and doing their own thing. And you guys say, wait a minute, we need to come to Jesus meeting right now. So I want to bring that out. I'm glad you brought that up about our kids, because I think that's how we change it from the house. Yeah, no, the beauty of what you said is,

is the reality of the impact of a father in the home. A father who understands the gospel, who is a follower of Christ who has the very intention of shepherding his family in a way that's biblical. That's what's missing. What we don't need are social justicians. What we need are more fathers to do everything that you just discussed. You're right. With your daughter, we need to be doing with our kids. I'm anti-phone.

I get that there's a reason for it, but we never purchased a phone for our kids. Now, that doesn't mean that they didn't find other ways to get into trouble because they did and do and we're challenged with that. But the reality is we as parents have a responsibility to provide that kind of oversight and care. But what we're seeing right now in the culture is a complete abdication of any of the kinds of things from a responsibility standpoint that you mentioned. And what we're leaning into is we're saying, hey, let's let culture educate. Let's let schools indoctrinate. Let's let social justicians inform our kids on what's right and what's wrong and what male and female actually is and how we're to treat one another based upon ethics. ethnic groups and the like. It's absolute garbage what we're feeding our kids. And we as,

as believers in Christ, have a responsibility to be educated, knowledgeable. One of the things, I'll say this and stop. I know I'm sure Darrell wants to get in here. But I just, I want to say this. I so appreciate you all. I appreciate what you do. And the reason is this, you don't claim to be, you know, use big words or anything like that, but you use the most important word, which is the word of God. We've been on, we've been on this, this episode with you. a short time. I can't tell you how many verses of scripture have been read. And at the end of the day, what's going to transform our culture, what's going to transform the lives of people is the word of God. And that's what people need to be here. Yeah. You're correct. Let me just tag on real

quick to what Virgil, so I really want to go back to something that Chase was saying when he talks about talking about his daughter in the phone. I'm thinking about Romans 12, too, where Paul says, and do not be conform to this world. That's exactly what devices and smart technology have as a, if not a primary goal, a secondary goal is to conform our children to the world. That's right. To conform the children. And one way to do that is by the mind, is through the mind. And what folks don't appreciate about the world's attempts to conform our children and even us to the world.

So we're not exempt of that, but what the world will do, look at, look at, for example, the hubbub that's going on right now about Netflix and this program they have called cuties. Have you guys heard about that? I heard about it like five minutes before we started the show. I saw it and it was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life. See, that's what

I mean. That is how. That is how the world is going after our children now as much heat as Netflix is taking and deservedly so for producing that program. My indignation is towards the parents. That's right. Yeah.

Who allowed those girls for the sake of being able to make money, right? The love of money is a root of all sorts of evil. Where are the parents here? Yeah. Where are the parents here? You know, I think about Proverbs 1616. It says how much better it is to get wisdom than gold

and to get understanding is to be chosen above silver. But the parents of these girls who are in that cuties documentary chose the gold. They chose the silver. They chose the money. while sacrificing the innocence. That's right. These girls who probably what, Virgil,

can't be more than 10, 11 years old. Yeah. You see? So I appreciate and I admire what you're all doing in trying to protect your children's minds. Because that is how the society in the world is going after them. It's through the mind, through the eye.

And if they see enough of that trash, it goes into the heart. That's right. And that's where you lose them. Once it gets into the heart, that's it well unbelievably uh we're out of time that was quick that went by fast for us you guys have a uh kind of a long version podcast you guys do a long way and you guys are weekly right release once a week we we're hitting miss i mean we we we power pack our episodes to the degree that

you're going it's going to take you a couple weeks just to get through all the content that we pack in oh i i listen to an hour and i was physically exhausted y'all y'all had done so much prep time i just felt so inadequate we kind of assigned all of us to listen to one and uh and i listened to 101 which was really great because i got to i'm very interested how you guys started and all that so to our audience i would say that's a you want to start at the beginning but that's they you guys tell how you did the podcast and so the reason we found you was because uh zach who's also

one of our producers of our podcast he reached out to do Wayne because he saw you guys right there with us at the top of the chart. And he's like, who are these guys? And so he listened to your podcast, loved you, and exposed you to, you know, all of us to you as well. So I'm glad you said that out. Because for our audience, the only reason we got together, because we felt like we share a common bond, which is a love for all people.

That's right. And a love for Jesus, our Savior. And we just thought, we like what these guys do. That's right. And wanted to introduce them to our audience. And, you know, hopefully y'all can do like, So I want to just encourage Unashamed Nation to check these guys out. It's called Just Thinking.

And look, bring your lunch because these guys go deep into it and deep into the Word of God, as we do. It's a perfect name, though, because it will make you think. It will. And so we just want to praise God for you guys of what you're doing. Keep doing it. And hopefully our paths will cross again somewhere down the road. Thanks so much for having us. We love you guys.

Love you guys. I love you guys. Thanks a bunch. Guys blessed. Listen, we're honored to be here, honored to be with you guys, love your work. Duane is a massive dynasty fan. And so we love you guys. I've been following off and on through the years,

just knowing that we're co-belligerents in the gospel. We're side by side. You guys are out doing your thing on your end. We're out doing our thing on our end, but we're brothers and comrades in arms. And so we appreciate you guys. Well, I figured y'all was getting a lot of persecution. I started to bring up, you know, we were actually, my dad was actually during the show,

because it was so popular and Hollywood didn't like us. They had stereotyped us, and they were actually accused my dad of being a racist, and nobody stopped to look at our family. I mean, we have many African-American adopted, you know, and my best man in my wedding was an African-American guy, you know, and, but when they started looking in the details, they got off that. but it's just the same thing that y'all imagine y'all go through is that they just want us to shut up about Jesus and so whether the truth is optional just throw something out there hope it sticks get them to shut up

because it makes them feel threatened when people who love Jesus are being successful and there's a lot of people listening and watching and so well and you know the hustlers came in jesse jackson in particular on dad's case but he was just trying to extort money out of A&E, you know, our network. So that's their game, you know, they go in, they threaten these corporations and they want money. And you nailed it earlier or there. It's just, it's greed. It's just, it's at the heart of this whole thing is about money. It's about the goal.

That's what, that's exactly what Black Lives Matters is doing. Exactly. Black Lives Matters is racking up hundreds. And I don't mean, I'm not exactly. They are racking up hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from Selections. and corporations and liberal politicians. Amazing. None of that money is not a cent,

is going to enrich and improve the black lives that they pretend to care about. You see. So you just have to follow the money. Matter of fact, Virgil I recorded a new episode yesterday is going to drop on Wednesday. So another two and a half hour episode

is titled The Church of Black Lives Matters. And we, in that episode, we give evidence and prove, biblically and secularly why Black Lives Matters is a religion and why it should be considered a church. So if you guys, if you got another two and a half hour hunting trip plan. Yeah. Oh, well done. Next time I'm on the road. Cole, did you get that? Because we'll run that somewhere in there. We'll put that in there for you. I'm making a, it's not my call, but we'll put that out there. And also, I'm going to DM you guys on

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