Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 150 | What Phil Wants in a SCOTUS Pick, Jase Introduces Trump Jr. & Who Determines the Truth?

Episode Date: September 23, 2020

Phil shares his wisdom about the nominee to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg and notes the vast difference between the Supreme Court and the Supreme Being. Jase describes his experience introducing Donald Trump Jr. at a recent fundraiser. And Phil, Jase, and Zach discuss who gets to determine the truth, whether or not heaven is a place, the role faith plays when you vote, and what President Trump has done for people of faith. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, in our current status in these United States of America, there's a little bit of wrangling over the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who served on the Supreme Court for about 27 years, I think it was. I've just observed. I've read, what all the founding fathers had to say about the Constitution, about mankind, about a country, about a country's laws. James Madison, pretty well the architect of the Constitution, wrote it all down. People were there to advise and all that. So James Madison speaking on behalf of the group, the men of that day in positions of power, political power in these United

States of America, which were there laying the groundwork for it. John Adams, after reading the Constitution, he said, this Constitution was written for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for any other. Well, 200 years later, through that passage of time, if you read text in the Bible, I think Madison was very aware of Romans 15. Everything in the past was written for our learning. So in other words,

and like all scripture is God-breathed. It's useful for teaching. rebuking, correcting, training in righteousness, doing what's right, so that the man of God or woman could be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In lieu of all that, some approach the Constitution to this day, and they look at the document, and they say, well, during the time frame of late 1700s, the application might have made a lot of sense. But 200 years later, the mores of the society has changed.

There's only one lawgiver and one judge, the one who can save and destroy. So a human being comes along and says, let's stand on that when we, let's be aware of the God of heaven. They prayed before the Constitution was written and came forth. were men of prayer, sinful human beings, trying to lay a bedrock for a free society. So some 200 years later look at that and say, I'm a strict constitutionalist. If that's what it says, that's what it says. These guys did all the debate 200 years, 240-something years ago. They debated it all out, and they say, here's the document.

It produced the greatest nation on earth. Any way you want to slice it, that constitution being the bedrock of the great, as it turned out, the greatest nation on earth. So some come along and start in about 50 years ago in the 60s, people started stepping up and say, well, you just can't go word for word verbatim, First Amendment, Second Amendment. the Bill of Rights, you can't just hold of what they said because life is ever evolving. The times have changed. Times have changed. So, you know, I know it's God said don't murder. And the Constitution has, covers that.

So when you really get to looking at it, in my humble opinion, for the ones who have superbed on the Supreme Court over the last 60, 70 years since I've been on the earth, All I can say is there's a vast difference, a vast difference between the Supreme Court and the Supreme Being. Oh, yeah, that's good. So you look at what both say, and you're like, I mean, if you sanctioned murder of your children in the womb, if you sanction perversion. Well, I think it's a... I'm just looking at it and saying it's not based on the truth. No.

Well, there's a civics 101 lesson is that the judicial branch is there to interpret the law, not legislate the law. So there are parameters in place. If you want to pass a law, if you want to ratify the Constitution, there's a way to do that. You do it through the legislative branch. That's who legislates. That's who passes legislation. the executive branch, executive executes the law, and the judicial branch, they interpret the law. I think what's up for debate here and kind of just to simplify where we're at with the next Supreme Court nomination,

there's two basic veins or two veins of thought that are competing with one another. One is the strict originalist, which basically means that you just, you read, the same thing on them, by the way, with how we talk about the Bible. You read, you're hermeneutic, is you read it as it was intended, and then that's their only job, even if they disagree with it. It doesn't matter. They could totally disagree with it, but you have to read the law as it was intended to be written. You're not legislating from the bench. I'm just reading it for what it says, and then I'm going to tell you, oh, you, this is what it says. And the other side is saying that we're going to, we can change the interpretation based on society. Well, that's,

you can't change the interpretation. You can change the law. You can vote people in office who will change the law to whatever you want. And to your point, or James Madison's point, our system will not work for a society that has abdicated any allegiance to the truth. So that's why when James Madison said it's wholly inadequate for any, what was the quote, wholly inadequate for non-religious or immoral people? Yeah. Any other. Yeah.

What was the quote you? Which one are you talking about? The James Madison quote that our Constitution. John Adam said the Constitution was written after he read it. Yeah. He said for a religious and moral people, it's wholly inadequate for any other. The problem is, the any others, they've been rather prolific in the last 50 or 60 years. So you say, the any other, they're trying to be.

basically saying you can be good without God or what he had to say when he gave the law. But the reason why it's inadequate is because you have to have a standard of truth that is not determined by us. Because if truth is determined by us, the people or a group of nine judges on the Supreme Court or even the president of the United States, or it, If we determine the truth for ourselves, as opposed to discovering it by revelation from God, then the question becomes which one of us gets to determine it. It's the one that's got power. And there's the rub.

What happens from my simplistic brain, because y'all seem to be going into the deep water. But I look at it like, just like the Bible people do, our leaders do with the Constitution, They come up with what they think is truth, and then they go to the Bible or they go to the Constitution, and they try to change it to fit their belief system. And especially with the Bible, which is what I'm into more, because I read it all the time, you see it all the time. Someone has an idea that they think this is the way society should be

or this is a way this needs to happen. And then it's weird how once you have your mind made up on what you think the truth is, you can pretty much find any support in the Bible. I've had people argue the exact opposite of what the Bible clearly says, even on all kind of moral issues. But they're just trying to make it fit and work

because they believe what truth is. So that's why all of a sudden they're like, well, this didn't mean this 240 years. ago when it comes to Constitution, that should be changed. They were wrong about that. That all started from an idea that someone had that they deemed as truth. You can make the text fit whatever you wanted to say. We have the word of the prophets, 2nd Peter 119, made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it.

That includes the giving of the law of Moses and all of that. As to a light shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your heart. Above all, you must understand. You must understand and get this on straight that no prophecy of scripture, the document I'm reading from, no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation, which goes to the Supreme Court. For prophecy never had its arson in the will of man, ever.

But men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. I'm going to stand on that. And when I read this to me, this Bible is the final word. It speaks of where it all came from, the cosmos, where we came from, what we're doing here, what should we do? And is there a way out of here, to use Jase's terminology? It's all here. Yeah.

And you read, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, irregardless, of the law system. The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. When you read those things, you say, that would be a great culture based on the word of God. It would be a terrific culture to go in there and start when it says, do not murder. Jesus said, or you'll be subject to judgment.

but Jesus said, I tell you that anybody who hates his fellow man is subject to judgment. Yeah, because it comes down to the heart. But do you think even about how that got started? Look, on abortion, they took, they, as in people who came up with this narrative, they said, well, because most people, you look at a little baby and you're looking at a woman's belly, you make the connection that the baby was a baby before and after, most people. But what happens is you say, well, but I believe it should be a woman's choice. So that's their fundamental argument, which therein, they're admitting the ability to choose, which we believe is a God-given ability.

So they're taking a God-given ability, from my view, and then they took an exception to the norm, which is what happens if a woman is race. Well, what do you know, then, I mean, she didn't even cause this to try to fit a narrative of, well, it's a woman's right to choose. So it's really, and it's not a baby till it comes out. It's just part of her tissue. So what I'm said is they had an idea and then they start trying to make an argument based on one difficult, because it is difficult. When a woman gets raped, we have a difficult situation here. Of course, us as believers, we know that God, it's not that he just produces life. He is life.

Let's take a quick break on that one. We're always going to choose life. But they're not checking with this. So they're trying to change the Constitution. They're trying to change. And even in the Declaration of Independence, you know, that is part of, we're in by our creator with certain in the eligible rights, the right to life, to live. One lawgiver, one judge.

It seems to, when I'm looking at it, the Constitution is lining up with the Bible, which was your original point. And so other people are getting together, and so what could we do to change that? I know, let's take the most difficult situation we know of and try to change the whole thing. You know, that's how it happens. That's what I'm saying. You have a narrative in your mind, and you play a little game. You try to get talking points where you can get people on board.

And the bottom line is anything that ends in death, especially of something innocent, and in my opinion made in the image of God, you took a wrong turn. And the slaughter continues. Yeah. And as I said earlier, vast difference between men and women on the Supreme Court in some earthly kingdom. and the Almighty God in heaven. Well, to your point on the Declaration of Independence, I think it's very interesting because you got a Thomas Jefferson who wrote that line that you mentioned.

And he was influenced by a philosopher named John Locke, who also, so you got Locke kind of as the guy who influences Jefferson in the American Revolution, but he influences another philosopher, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in the French Revolution. And that didn't end up the same as the American Revolution. It ended up with chaos and tyranny and the guillotine. I think we've talked about that on here before. But the reason is that, as Phil said, do you have to have a non, I want to use the word arbitrary or a non-movable, a non. There has to be an anchor upon which you build everything. And Jefferson, now, I don't know if Jefferson was a believer.

I wouldn't make that case for sure. But he at least pragmatically understood that if we're going to build a system, I'm in a society. A society. Yeah. We need to understand a couple things. One, we need to understand that man is very sinful and capable of all sorts of evil. Oh, man.

All man. Lord Acton said that, you guys have probably heard this quote, that power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So the idea is when we concentrate power in its purest form, I don't care who it is. I couldn't handle it. You couldn't handle that kind of power. Why? We're sinful.

So the goal is to take power and build a system in a society that has checks and balances. And the Supreme Court, when it was established, was established with the idea that man is wicked and will hurt you. And we don't want to put any kind of, we don't want to let any man ever get that powerful. The other side of the argument believes that man is perfect. effectable. And so, oh, no, we're all good. We can actually be perfect. And if we get the right elites in the right place, then they can be, they're smart enough to determine for the rest of us how we're going to run our society. What we're saying is that doesn't line up with the

scripture that all men are sinful. Romans chapter three is pretty clear about the state of man. I mean, it's not good. And so when we come to the discussion right now, I mean, just think about it. do we really believe, this is what I think Ruth Bade of Ginsburg, her legacy will be. Scalia watched an interview with Napolitano on Fox, and before Scalia died, he said that Scalia told him that she would have a bigger legacy than even Scalia because of how she's moved the court. She was an activist. And essentially what she was saying is that, is that anyone who which support that is that they're smart enough and brilliant enough and gifted enough and talented enough and wise enough, these nine people that they can overturn the will of the American people,

that they're smarter than the collective will of us. And we just don't believe it. And their edicts Trump's gods. It does. And so when you get to the concept of truth, which is we're in John 14, if we're ever get to that, I mean, this is, I love the fact that we're in John 14. at the same time that we're talking about the Supreme Court, because this is about truth. Ultimately, here's the battle. Who gets to determine truth? Do we determine it, or do we discover it?

Is it revealed by God? And John 14 is this great text, because Jesus in John 13, it's, you know, he's basically saying, I'm about to head to the cross. I'm leaving. And you can imagine if you've been walking with him for this time period, how devastated you might be. But look, let me just,

even that in that conversation when he said right after when Jesus said in 13 well I mean not let's see where am I at you know 1336 he says right after he talked about love he says Simon Peter asked him Lord where are you going Jesus replied where I am going you cannot follow now but you will follow later which they had no idea what he would even telling him out. We get it. We know he's dying, he's going to be, and he's going to come back to life, but he's going to go be with the father. But we're looking at it after he did it.

Well, right. They're there before he did it. I love this, and we didn't bring this up last time. But Peter said, Lord, why can I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you. Now, which sounds great. But Jesus replied, will you really love? lay down your life for me?

Now, there's a question mark there, and then the next phrase, I tell you the truth, which is implying, you're lying. Because trust me, before the rooster crows, you'll disown me three times. It so reminds me of that movie that came out, which is what Hollywood does. They take a biblical principle, and we don't notice it. I mean, I'm looking for it, so I'm picking this stuff out. And they say, you know, I can hear him at the Hollywood production meeting and say, like, look, let's get a funny guy and let's make it where he can't lie. And so then everywhere he goes, he just has to tell the truth.

And it'll be hilarious because no one does that in our society. Y'all remember the movie. I don't know what it's called. Lire, liar, man. Yeah, Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey. Yeah. And so he goes the office and like, you know, you've got drunk last night. You're fat. You're fat.

You're, everything he had. It was, and it was actually funny. But you sit and chuckle and you think, well, here's Jesus. There was actually a person that was like that. That is, is that. Of course, if you told the same people who made the movie, they're like, no, that's absurd. It's a comedy. Nobody could have the ability.

So when Peter said, I'll lay down my life for you. Well, it was a, no you won't. You're lying. I tell you the truth. So that's the prerequisite for what happened. So he gets to 14, and he says, don't let your hearts be trouble. Trust in God. Trust also in me.

We've read this over and over. But I think when you see where the conversation started with this, I'm incapable of lying. For real. So then he says, in my father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, I would have told you. I'm going there to prepare a place for you. I mean, this is a person who cannot lie.

So right there, you've seen him do his miracles. You should be on the edge of your seat saying, whatever he says, I'm doing. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. He can't lie. This should be comforting.

You know the way to the place where I'm going. So then what I believe, Thomas represents every religious group in the world when he makes this statement. He says, Lord, we don't know where you're going. How can we know the way? Because you think about all the denominations in our world. They're all trying to find the way to the Lord. what is the difference in that church on one tree corner and the church right across? They got different paths, which is disturbing.

Now, they'll say they don't. Oh, no, we're all. But then if you get out in a parking lot and you start asking how you're getting there and how you're getting there, an argument will develop. Because they're like, well, I'm not getting there that way. That's why I'm over here. And watch what he says, which is the bedrock for what we're talking about. Jesus answered.

So he asked, where are you going? how can we know the way? And Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life. The three things we just talked about in a, you said, what does the Supreme Court have to do with what we're talking about? And he basically talked about the way off the planet, the truth while you're on it, and the life. Because if you don't have life, what's your alternative?

Yeah, I just take a break. That's incredible because we skipped over verse three a little bit, but think about what Jesus says, I'm going to prepare a place for you. You mentioned that the number one question of the religious people is what is the way to the Lord. I would probably change that a little bit. I think the number one question is what they're asking is what is the way to heaven. And what they're missing is that heaven is not a place. heaven is a person, because this is what Jesus says.

He says, I will come again and receive you to myself. So I'm going to take you to myself. Look, you know how I know you're right, which is my point. When I've heard sermons given on this, they talk about the place. They talk about heaven and the rooms, and they're describing heaven. They go to Revelation, and there's jewelry and there's, and I'm like, you missed it. If you read this section again and focus on I and my, Watch what you find.

He says, in my father's house, or many rooms, if it were not so, I would have told you, I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me,

that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going. And you want to talk about the place, the house? I think the point was I. So, to make your point when the Hebrew writer got down to a critical thing about telling the truth and lying and what God said he's going to do for the human race.

Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose, which thought what Jesus was doing with Peter Nymn. Very clear to the heirs of what was promised. You know, you're where, what's the way, how we're going to get out of here, what are you going to? he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that by two unchangeable things in which it's impossible for God to lie, he said, I have spoken and I have said that I will get you off planet Earth alive.

And here's the good news. I can't lie. It's going to happen. So what? We have fled two impossible things for God. God, to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. So basically he says, let me tell you something, one more time.

I will give you immortality, and the great news is, I can't lie. So that means, oh, it's going to happen. I like that. And the immortality is the perpetuity is the, being in the presence of Christ. So, like, the question, what is heaven? Heaven is being in the presence of Christ. Well, would it matter to you if you were in a shack with Jesus for eternity?

You won't care. You wouldn't care. It's his presence that the history war. When you're taking a trip, let's just think about this, practically. I've had this argument many times. So we're taking a trip. What's the first question? Where are we going?

Where are we going? Well, that ain't my question. your question. I'm like, who's going? If the right people are going, guess what? You don't care where you're going. I'm in. I guess I'm the typical religious person. I'm asking what you're wrong about. It was a trap. They said, where are we going? I don't care. My wife's going. I'm in. Where are we going? Then that's my second question. But I believe that in Jesus,

that was his point here. That's why he said, I, me. He gave him all the clues. Then he said, we don't know the way. He's like, hey, you idiot, we didn't say idiot, but he's like, I'm the way. I'm the truth. I'm the life. You know me, which was his point, was it not? It wasn't about the description of the place.

No. That's why later, you know, he says, we're God's building. He makes all these things that doesn't make sense. Well, how are we God's building? Which I, you know, make the argument about the God doesn't live in buildings. Yeah, he lives in people. He lives with people.

So my whole point is, you know, number one, I guess two points. Number one is when it comes to voting, I mean, I've said many times, I stay out of politics because it just seems slimy. But, you know, the other night I got invited to introduce Don Trump Jr. Because they were doing a fundraiser here in North Louisiana. And you, I think, asked me if I was interested. I don't know who asked you or whatever. And I was like, I have zero inches.

I think my exact quote is I have zero interest in this. And then I said, if Don wants me to come, he'll send me a text. You were like, oh, he has your number. I'm like, yeah, we're friends. And so the next morning, I'm like, I took care of that. I'm in duck blind. Well, and I think I kind of chastise you because I was like, look, that's fake news probably. Somebody just saying, oh, Don Trump Jr., he's not coming to street for it.

That's what I was taking. I just pass along the invitations. So I'm in the duck blind. It's like 545. My phone goes off. I'm like, ain't but a couple people in the world that I know of would be texting me at 545, you know. But I look at Don Trump Jr.

He's like, hey, I hear I'm seeing you tomorrow night. And I'm like, oh, I guess this is legit. And so my point is you have an election coming up. And you have, even though I'm not into politics, I'm going to vote for the person who more. is in line with what we just read. Whoever is going to support the way, the truth, and the life, that's where I'm going to vote.

So here I know the Trumps, but I knew them before they were running for president. So you thought, what are you going to say? So I'll go to this thing. I just say what happened. I was like, it's interesting how I met the Trump's. I walked into their hotel. New York City.

I thought, boy, good times have come our way. And I think the line I said is, because they gave me 10 minutes before I introduced him, I said, 10 minutes. I said, that's about how long it took for me to get escorted out one of the Trump hotels,

looking like I do. Within 10 minutes, they said, get him out of here. And they did it respectfully and professionally. And I didn't even blame him. I took up for the guy who escorted me out. So then I said, I said, so when it came to President Trump saying he's going to build a wall,

I knew he's going to build that wall. Because everybody was looking befuddled like, what do you mean? I said, because when they saw a threat to their hotel, they put a wall in between them and me immediately. And I thought, Karen, they're concerned about security, which I like. And so then I said that they sent me an email. after it kind of went viral because I thought it was funny. And I didn't know this whole episode with Oprah had happened where she got offended

because she was at a store and she was going to, you know, it was pricey. And the person working there said, you know, I don't think you can afford that because she wanted to look at something. Like a pretty woman moment. Yeah. She didn't know. Well, Oprah got mad. It was just like, you know, racial profiling. Of course, I'm sitting here.

I got facially profiled. And I didn't think it was a big deal because I thought, no, the guy thought I'm a vagrant, and I don't blame him. I mean, I'm pretty unkept. So they said, well, next time you're up here, we want to take care of you. And I didn't know what that meant, but I knew the Trumps were, and I thought, I will see what that meant. So when I went back, take care of me. Yeah. I sent him an email, and I said, I'm coming back.

You know, we were doing whatever. and he's like, meet me at wherever some golf course in New Jersey. And so we went out, play golf. They didn't play with, I think it was Willie. It was Willie and me. But when we come back, they said, let's have lunch. He said, we want to, you know, talk about a few things. Let's break real quick.

Here the rest of the story. So I thought, what are the Trumps going to talk about? I thought you would think, well, maybe they're talking about they're going to run. Their dad's going to run for president or how we can go. business together or whatever. What we talked about was how to help kids with craniofacial issues. Because when they researched who they had escorted out, they said, good grief. They have a charity, and they're the biggest donors I know of of kids with that condition.

And we spent the entire hour talking about that. Well, that impressed me because I thought of all the things we could have talked about, the last thing I thought we were going to talk about is helping kids. So we got to be friends. And then the next time I saw him was when their dad was running for president, Phil endorsed another candidate. You did that, Phil? Yeah.

And Don Judger sends me in Texas and says, what's up with your dad? And I said, hey, he's his own man. He said, well, I'll be there tomorrow. Is it duck season, right? I was like, yeah. He said, well, you care if I go hunting, will you? I was like, I don't care. It's a memory he showed up to take three days.

And Phil was pretty impressed with him. Yeah. He's one of the best shotgun shots I've known. So anyway, back to my story because I'm rambling. But I spoke, I got up there and said, look, I stay out of politics, but I'm friends with Don Jr. And the reason I think people are uncomfortable when his dad speaks and, you know, and says whatever he's thinking at times.

I said, I don't believe they're politicians. They were business people who said, we want to help America, and I believe their heart's right. And I said, I'll tell you this. And this is the statement where the crowd got up and cheered. I said, I believe they're sent from God. Now, a lot of people probably just fell off their chair, you know. It's like, what are you talking?

How can you say that? Because I thought about that quote that Jesus said, where he said, wisdom is proved right by our actions. Because Jesus had, in Matthew 11, had a reputation for being a glutton and a drunkard. We all know that's not true. They attacked him because they were scared of him. And so he made that statement.

When I look at President Trump's actions, he's done more for people of faith in his decision-making process than any other president in the history of our nation. That's correct. So I'm like, that's what I'm going with. that's what I'm here for. And then I did a little illustration.

I said, look, the reason it's so difficult and the reason everybody's so open up in arms and I'm not defending every little thing, I'm just going by that. Because I vote based on God's qualities being helped. Anything that's going to revolve around the truth, the way Jesus, the life. That's what in light. I'm going to vote for that. So I made a practical analogy about, I said, I'm one of the few people in here, probably maybe the only person. Of course, the swamp people were there too, so maybe they've seen it.

But I said, I've actually seen what happens when a swamp is drained. I said, it's stinky. There's snakes everywhere, all kind of predators. And I said, then the buzzards gather. It's not a pleasant place. I said, so all this turmoil you see. for the president and toward him leaning toward people of faith. I was like, these are the kind of things that happen.

I would call that. Yeah, when all that was going on, I was behind Ted Cruz, the senator from Texas, simply because he was a strict constitutionalist. Well, you know, he's on the short list. I think Trump's going to appoint a woman, but Cruz is on the short list. But when he, when Trump axed him, well, then it got down to Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm like, well, I mean, I said, somebody said he's some kind of New York businessman.

I didn't know anything about Donald Trump. I've seen him from time to time on the newsreels, whatever. But I thought, well, if he's going up against Hillary Clinton, I can't vote for her, for sure. I said, well, I guess I'm a Trump man. Because the principles are not lining up with the truth. That is correct. I think as kingdom people, though, I do think that we have to make sure that what we're not saying is that Donald Trump is the answer. We believe Jesus is the answer.

There's flawed men. So I think that – and I do think there's – I think that there's going to be a unique opportunity. That's why I focus more on kind of the idea of what this is. And I look at it as there's two warring factions. to God uses people who don't even understand that. Oh, I agree. Look, Zach, I've often told people, because it offends people when I say I'm not in politics.

And they're like, well, don't you vote? Yeah, I vote every time. People go out there and gave their life, so we would have the freedom to vote. I am standing in line or I'm mailing it in. I am voting them all forevoting. Me too. But you got to remember, it's like what Phil said,

they're all flawed men. You know, I've had many Christians come and say, how can you be friends with, you know, I saw on Facebook, you went hunting with Don. Trump Jr. I mean, do you hear what his dad said? You know, they were talking about the locker room, talk, controversy or whatever. I'm like, well, yeah, it was horrible. Next question. I mean, I'm like, okay, do you remember when Biden was, when Obama got elected, he leaned in and you could hear it. I mean, this is the first speech by Obama when he got elected.

Big F&D. Yeah, he leaned over there and said, this is a big F&D. And I thought, why would you say that when you're out there right here where there are cameras around this it was so offensive to me however i'm saying both cases are bad well you got to vote for somebody if you're you can pick out stuff like we're we're talking highly flawed individuals like we all are so you have to have some basis to cast your vote i'm always going to lean toward things that help i think the kingdom haven't said that whoever's been the president for my entire life I don't think I've really seen any major difference in my day-to-day life in the last 50 years. I mean, we all get been out of shape.

We all, you know, get passionate about it. But when it comes down trickling to my normal life, I hadn't seen a whole lot of difference, no matter who's the president. Let's take a break. Have y'all or am I wrong? Well, I think there has been a slow grind. I don't put... Erosion. Yeah, a slow erosion, I think, has happened over my lifespan on 40, 43.

But I, and I've kind of had a metamorphosis of my own. I do think that where we're at culturally right now, I don't really fit into either, I don't fit into the partisan game anymore. I ran for Congress. Y'all know that. I mean, I was 2010. I was, you know, all in. And I just think over the years,

and being so closely connected with some of the people who have ran some of these movements, I'm just keep coming back to who is God. I don't know. Well, you realize that, which is what I told you, the solution to the problem is not the president. Yeah, I just don't know. It's ultimately Jesus, but you're, I mean, you love Jesus. You're a very smart guy.

And I'm like, why spend your time talking about policy? I'd rather you spend it on Jesus, which is what you're doing now. But you need to have policy discussions and whatnot. I agree. And so this is where I struggle, because you look at like communism or Marxism, which is a political economic philosophy, and you look at the fact that it's responsible for 100 million people being murdered. And so ideas do have consequences to quote the late R.C. Sproles.

But, you know, so we look at this. We think, we can't not just say, we're not going to discuss this. I'm just going to go strictly spiritual, and that's kind of a Gnostic view anyways of the world, which is an ancient heresy. I mean, I've got to be involved. So it's this tension, this is where I'm at, this is full disclosure. And so it's a tension of knowing that it matters. I think what I don't want to get into is where my politics becomes my identity as a Christian.

My identity is a blood-covered believer. Yeah. And that's my identity. Now, I involve myself politically, but my hope is not in the Republican Party. If it was, then we're done. We're done for it. Yeah. I wanted to bring this up, because we don't have really time to get deep into this. But before we did the podcast today, I was talking to you all about in Acts 19,

right after, you know, a miracle happens. And it makes a statement in 1918, it says a number, let's see, in Acts, Acts 1918, it says many of those who believe now came and openly confessed their sins, and a number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly because they had come to Jesus. And so in verse 23, about that time, there arose a great disturbance about the way. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because here you have spirit-filled men who are going from town to town, and they become known as the way because they're focusing on Jesus who said, I am the way.

And this leads to a riot because in that day, the people's belief system was in this temple of Artemis where they were basically, it was an idol and they believed it was from heaven. And they had their narrative of how life should be led. And it wasn't about confessing sins and living for Jesus. And so they were threatening the disciples of Jesus, which look, they all eventually were killed because of these types of situation. And I just thought to myself, here we are a couple thousand years later. The same stuff is going on. The reason we don't write, you know, if my guy doesn't win, I'm not going to riot because my hope's in Jesus.

I say, you know, you want to do something about it? Share Jesus and change the hearts of people. that's the way you're going to win the world you want to change somebody's vote change his heart but if my guy don't win i'm not going to write it's weird how on the other side if the non-religious the non-focused the guy who's putting you know more of his uh intensity in jesus if if he if he don't win what happens i mean if he wins they're right if he don't win they're happy But those are the two choices, which I think is disturbing, which shows you a lot right there. I mean, what happened when Trump got elected?

Right. Guess what? If he wins again, you know what's going to happen? People just, I remember seeing one video, which I don't even look at the Internet, but I just remember somebody was just hollered. And they had zoomed up on it. It was like the funniest meme of all time. Yeah.

It's just blood-currilling scream. which I don't really think there was a I don't think I think they've been shocked at how he has embraced people of faith in his policy but I've enjoyed it I mean I think great I'll do it I don't care how much baggage you got yeah we are in interesting times for sure I mean I just got through reading a book called

what was the name a revolt of the public And this guy who wrote this book was a CIA analyst. And he was predicting a lot of what's happening now in the CIA. And he was talking about kind of this protest. He calls it a culture of negation that everybody's negating something. It's just like we're all just mad, mad, mad, we're just all ranting against something else as opposed to having a progressive, I don't mean progressive liberal. I mean as a forward-thinking positive.

and here's where we're going. It's more like that's wrong. I think they do that because you're listening to human beings who have no hope beyond this life. They don't know anything about the way. I would add they have no hope even in this life. That's right. I think we should, I mean, look, isn't that interesting how they were known as the way?

Why don't we just put on our church sign? The way. The way. Is that not scriptural? In the book of Acts, we were called the way more than anything else. And if you look at the context you just saw, it's a capital W, which tells you that, I mean, I think again, the truth, Jesus is the truth. He doesn't, like, come up with the truth. He is the truth.

God is love. God is the way. So everything is being personified. It's hard to get your, the reason we say focus on Jesus, a lot of people, they say they're focused on Jesus. and then they focus on issues. Focusing on Jesus, when you start really seeing what that means, if it's incapable of him to lie. And you have all these red letters.

So just think about, because when it all boils down to it, look, you said, what does this mean to our listeners? You got a guy here listening, just a normal fella, you know, his wife's mad at him, whatever. Kids are off the rails. He lost his job because of corrupt. He doesn't want to get to coronavirus. We've got all this social unrest going on.

You start looking around. You're like, I need some direction. Where could I go to find a place or a person who could give me some sound advice? What we're saying is, focusing on Jesus, is you go to those red letters and you read over him and you see what he's like. And all of a sudden, it'll make you smart for life because it helps all your deal. decision-making processes. You just think about when it comes to sinful behavior. It wasn't like he didn't want you to have any fun.

I mean, like, take sex. He's like, you can have all you want, get married, let the good times roll. Okay. But all these things that he seems to limit us, well, they're for our better, they're a better decision for your life. Yeah. You know, I don't have to worry about a sexually transmitted disease. That's never crossed my mind.

because I trusted God, and I was like, well, that saved me from a lot of, you know, I'm not worried about getting the coronavirus and dying, because I'm like, if God wants to heal me, he will, and if he don't, he'll raise me. I can't, I can't lose. So all of a sudden, guess what? Since I'm focused on the way, the truth, the light, I start making better decisions. And I think that's what it boils down to. To me, the Supreme Court Justice, and if we can get somebody in who's more in line,

Even though they're supposed to just interpret the law, we know that's impossible because we're humans. If you're interpreting it through the vein that you have a trust system that's based on this, I want you in there. Me too. Because I think this is right. But it bothers me that when they vet these nominees, that they have tried in the past to disqualify someone based on. the fact, are they a Bible-believing Christian? And I'm like, that's exactly the person that I want in the position. Primarily because of what you said, we put somebody in there who has some materialistic worldview.

I don't trust them. I don't trust anybody. If Jesus is the truth, doesn't that in a way nullify all other little T-truths? Yeah, it sure has. Yeah. That's why the way he's capitalized. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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