Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 152 | The First Time Phil Said 'I Love You' to Jase, Si vs. Jase, and Once Saved, Always Saved?

Episode Date: September 27, 2020

Jase kicks it off with a teal report featuring the one and only Si Robertson, flaring tempers, and the art of claiming ducks. Zach teaches Jase about logical fallacies. We hear the story of the first time Phil told his sons he loves them. And the guys talk about what "God gave them over to a depraved mind" means in Romans 1:28, the unforgivable sin, the Holy Spirit, and whether you can lose your salvation. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, we spent a couple of hours yesterday talking about truth, which you would think that would be a positive. But we're in teal season. And I'm hunting with a crazy uncle. And we hadn't seen any teal in days. So this morning, first of all, a wood duck came in and lit. And so I said,

that's a teal right there. I said, wood duck. He said, he's got a blue patch on his wing. I said, that's a wood duck. He said, I'm telling you. So that's what started the day. He didn't shoot, I saved that wood duck's life. But after it got a little lighter.

It's against the law to shoot a wood duck during teal season. So I saved the wood duck. I kept everybody legal. I'm feeling pretty good. well then we heard well I knew what it was I didn't have to see that duck to know what it was

because the sound told me there's a teal that just came by well it lit in the decoy so I said get him up because we're filming and we hadn't got a teal in forever and I'm like let's

make this a little sporty although I don't object to shooting one on the water because the presentation is what I'm after, and we convinced this till that our fake decoys are real. So it would have been fine, but I just thought, let's be sporty, have some fun, get him up. So I just, boom.

So I said, I got that one. Yep, you did. You're the only one that shot. Literally, five seconds later. I never got up because it was four men in the blind with three shells apiece, and one duck is sitting in the decoys. You're not even messing with him. So we turned that over to one of the old coots,

oh, side. He's an old coot. We didn't turn it over, he just did it. I said, get him up. I never got up. I just sat down there looking. But I was wanting to get the duck up, and let's see you're gunning skills.

But he waited until he literally stopped moving. He was just sitting and not moving. He didn't shoot him while he was swimming. No. He waited until he stopped swimming. And then was bragging that he got him. I thought, well, I can get a bunch of seven-year-olds to do that.

Literally, 10 seconds later, I just look up and here's six teal, which at that time I didn't know how many it was. I mean, I was five to eight, are flying in between us and the decoys three feet off the water, four feet off the water. But, you know, they moved fast. So they turn, and I got up because at this point, They're in the decoys.

There's no reason to really say cut them, I guess. I mean, it just happened really fast. But I was fixed to say cut them and boom, shot fire, which was, I believe, Phil. And then there was a couple other shots. But as soon as the first couple shots rang out, which I didn't see anything fall, one of the group peeled to the right. Well, I'm on the far right. So I thought, because I was thinking to kill them all, everybody's got to shoot their lane.

Well, I got everything's going right to left except this one. He's going out to the backside. Well, that's my responsibility. So I'll boom, deadfold. He hit on the right side of the decoys. So when I pull back left, I see another one. The group is going on to the left. They're shooting out.

I see one going straight out. I boom, miss, he gets up a little bit. Now he's way out there a little too far, but I thought. You got one shell out. I got one shell, boom, he folds. Helicopter's down, but I don't think he's dead because the range was so far.

Yeah. Well, now, so I'm out of shells. I look back and there's one duck laying dead that I know I didn't have any part of. I'm looking. The one I shot first, is over here on the right the one out there he's in the weeds he's not even in the water he fell on dry land and there's one duck in the decoys well the dog runs because i'm making sure everything's

dead and gets the one i shot it was about halfway back and sye said well i went two for two and so i looked and i'm thinking one two and i know i got one out in the weeds that nobody even knows about because I said, boy, I was the longest shot I made. And they said, oh, you got one in the grant. We started talking about this last shot I made. I said, oh, yeah, I got one out there in the grant. So now we're down to two ducks because that was not a factor. And I thought, well, I know Si couldn't have shot this one I shot

because it was going the opposite direction. It was way, because if he did, why are you shooting the one duck? Why did you go past five to shoot mine going the opposite direction? And, you know, we spent two hours talking about truth. And normally when I hear something like that, I just let it go. But I just said, well, where's your other duck? He said, the dog's got him in his mouth. I said, no, that's not your duck.

Because he picked that one up to the right of the island. He said, no, no, no, he didn't. I said, I just saw him do it. Of course, everybody else is being quiet at this time. so then that led to an argument that lasted how long Phil? About an hour. Lasted an hour. Temper's flared.

So finally, we have a cameraman. Yeah. So we said, run the footage back. He filmed it. And so the cameraman says there were, that ought to remove all doubts. It's instant replay. You would think we went, we called instant replay.

And there was another factor. said that only two ducks left out to the left. I said, no, wrong. It was more than two. I said it was three or four. So that was a side argument. So the cameraman hollers out because he's away from us. He said, when the ducks came in, the first couple of shots, nothing fell. Because there would been a sub-argument about that, because he said the first time he pulled the trigger, one fell. So you were on the right side of that sub-argument. I was on the right side of that one too. Because you got to remember,

Saab became a little belligerent in his, I mean, he was screaming and hollering, raising his voice. So I just thought, I'm not, no, I'm not letting this lie. So I just kept. You weren't going to let it slide. No, I wasn't going to let it slide. And so the cameraman said,

the first couple shots, nothing failed. The first duck that fell fell to the right of the decoys behind the mound. Uh-oh. He said the second duck that fell fell to the left. Well, there's one duck that I had nothing to do with. So I'll give you that one. The third duck fell way out in front and the ground. I was like, we got that one.

Because Si said, I didn't have anything to do with that. And he just claimed those two. And so then, sigh, here was his response. And then he said, three left out. to the left. So, Sa'i said, nope,

that's why eyewitness reports are unreliable. I was like, what about actual footage? He said, but he's interpreting

the footage. And then he goes, got louder. And I thought, are you kidding me? The guy just watched it. So, yeah,

so Saia was the eyewitness report, though, and he was wrong. He actually makes his own argument there. Remember, I don't know.

He is, his face. is on one of the DVDs we made and the name of it. Si's looking and the name of that is the art of claiming ducks. Yeah. And Cy is a master at it. No matter what happens, he said, boys, I don't know about you, but I got three out of three, two out of three, whatever it is.

Today he was saying he got two out of three. And Jace begged to differ. So tempers flared among the, but Jason, his name, Jason's name is Jason Silas Robertson. Uh-oh. Well, here you are, Phil, based on the evidence on what was said by the cameraman, on where the ducks were, in your humble opinion, how much credibility would you give Sy's version of the story?

No credibility. It just, and that was the difference. A lot of times you don't really know, see, R.U, and it's fun. The way this all happened, I'm like, and we had just talked about that. I said twice. I said, what you've done is you've come up

with a narrative in your mind. What you think happened, what you believe happened, and you're convinced it happened that when you fired two shots, I said, but I believe you're mistaken because the evidence is real.

Because he said, well, go back on the footage and see where the dump I mean the dog picked up the duck I said I don't have to go back on the footage this is what was making him mad I said I saw the dog go get the duck and they did too

Phil said the dog picked the duck to the right So what does he say when you say that? Here's what he said He said if you'll come down here and look at my angle you'll see that your angle is off Phil said he's six feet away from you

It's not going to change Phil said I'm sitting right beside you, which is weird. Usually, Si has a backer just for fun. Yeah. But it was so ridiculous that nobody could back this. Well, it finally ended up of the line of the morning when Sa said, I've been hunting these duck for 50 years, and let's face it, according to y'all,

I ain't killed the duck. Yeah. So he went to stretching all kinds of arguments. Well, he made it personal, and he said we were all flied out of the problem. I enjoyed the argument. Listen to him. I enjoyed it greatly. It was a lot fun.

a little bit hot just because he he he's i was getting a little rude i mean he's just started saying unreasonable things i mean like more than normal yeah and i was like you know what i need to break from this guy you got to remember jace you got to just pawn it off on an old man you know they get they get to certain they i i haven't hit that rage yet i just say you're just there rolling i missed a couple shots over here well then we i got into i got into a little i got into a argument with Jay over. Now these are all spiritual issues. I mean, because that's what I'm saying.

We talked about truth. It was fresh on my mind. And I just thought, this is this hitting home now. This is just not true. Now, I realize it's a small point, but I just thought, no, I'm not going to let this die. These left-winger, as they call them, that particular group of individuals has turned, they've made an art form out of stretching the truth. I mean, they are, they are the, I've never seen.

people set up a narrative and do what they do to keep that narrative going and it's all built it's all false it's all lies let's take a quick break yeah that's it uh when my kids i've when they were about six or seven the older two um i got this book that it's two books or little children's books like um like a educational book but they're like these lessons you go through and it's called the I'm trying to think of the name of it, the logical, it's called the fallacy detective. And it's got this little dog on there, and he's like, he's a detective. And so he's uncovering fallacies, which people use these in arguments all the time.

I didn't, the way I stumbled across this, this has been a while ago, probably 15, 20 years ago, I got in the debate with this guy. And he was an atheist, and, of course, I'm a believer. And so we're debating back and forth on the merit. of whether or not the claims of the Bible are true. And everything I would say, he would respond with something of the effect of, he would say, that's a circumstantial ad hominem fallacy. And so I just heard, what does that mean?

I'm going to tell you. And so then I'd say something else. He'd said, that's a red herring fallacy. That's a, and he, whatever, he would put something in front of it. Every time I'd hear that word fallacy, I thought he was saying at the time that what I was saying was untrue, so I would cite my source, Well, what is the definition of fallacy? That's not a word I use.

That's what I'm getting to. Oh. So finally, he said, you wouldn't know a fallacy if it crawled out of your butt and made you breakfast. And so I thought, maybe that was going down the line. Si was going down today. That was kind of his argument. Well, he was using fallacies. So I Google, yeah.

So I Google fallacy. And what pops up is 42. logical fallacies, how people use, how they use fallacies. It's an error in reasoning. It's not necessarily a lie or something untrue. It's an error in reasoning. It's basically a lie. So they've formed these ways that people, when they argue,

they basically manipulate the truth. And I'm reading through them and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is like how I argue. Think about it. Well, that's what it was. They're looking. I'm going to say, From now, I'm going to say, fallacy. It's a fallacy.

Look, think about it. What we're all seeing is billions of dollars of destruction at the hands of looters, rioters, so forth. We're seeing billions of dollars worth of damage that they've done. And there's one side of all this says it's not happening. It's been peaceful protest. You're like, no, there's billions of dollars worth of buildings, produce, broken window. Yeah. I said they're either tax just rampaging through it and just taking everything they won't, steal everything that's there, or burn it down.

And the narrative is, it's not happening. And you can't really get to it. It's all been peaceful. I'm like, well, man, I said, but here's the kick. they really believe it i don't know if they do believe it phil i think that they're lying i think that it's it's the way we i think they have been given a delusion by the almighty well where's that verse that says they've been given a delusion uh that's second thessalonians yeah i mean let's just read it i mean i think there's a it's like if you decide to reject god he then

since he's pursuing all of us. Do we agree that? He wants everyone to be saved. So in essence, if you believe that, then you believe that he is in pursuit of all of us. But at some point, not with him because he's eternal, you're like, I'm not surrendering. I don't care about God.

I don't care if Jesus was crucified, shot, whatever. At some point, then you see these, types of phrases which when I was young in the faith I had trouble with them because it says God like in Romans 1 it says God gave them over to do not to do to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done yeah to do what ought not to be done and you see here about the delusion so how would y'all explain that to someone who's young in the faith what does that mean that God sends them a powerful delusion Well, yeah, or like he gives them over. Well, I think I...

So that they will believe the lie. Yeah, or all will be condemned to have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness. Well, they're saying their wickedness is nothing wrong with it. It's not happening. We're not guilty of tearing up anybody's property, burning people's business. We're not guilty. It's hard. It's peaceful protesting.

Well, what's the unforgivable sin in the Bible? Yep. And we've had questions about that. When you blaspheme the Holy Spirit. The unforgivable sin is the sin you won't say is a sin. Yeah, it's a, if John 14, if Jesus is right in John 14 through John 17 and that the primary role of the Holy Spirit, not the only role, but the primary role is to deliver the believer into all truth, is to reveal truth to not just the believer, even the non-believer, when he convicts. us, convicts the non-believer of their sin, John 16, if his role in the triune God is to deliver truth and we reject him the one who would illuminate our hearts to reality, the reason why it's unforgivable is because there's no other mechanism you're rejecting truth. And so Romans 1, they perish because they refuse.

to love the truth and so be saved. See, that's what Second, oh, I didn't even know it said that. But Second Thessalonians too, but, you know, and this is coming, I mean, this verse comes from this idea of the revealing of the man of lawlessness. Now, whoever that exactly is, there's a hundred thousand interpretations of what exactly that means. But when you just think about the phrase, what does that mean? A man of lawlessness.

Man of sin. Yeah, or man of sin. Everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness. Well, the man of lawlessness, if you'll notice in Second Thessalonians, he starts out, he's going to do this, he's going to do that. When you get down a little further, it goes from he to they. you say it started out singular he the man of lawlessness and he sets it up and by the way

you say well is he going to be done away with not until Jesus comes when he's when he goes down and gone the lawless want to be then the lawless don't want to be revealed whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming When Jesus returns, he said, that's when I'm going to clean it up. Well, 1 John 3, 4 says everyone. The wicked or go that way and the righteous will go this way. Make sure you're in the right camp. First John 3, 4 says everyone he sins breaks the law.

In fact, sin is lawlessness. But if you have someone who's not acknowledging that, they're calling something is clearly sinful. That's right. And they say, no, that's not against God's law. It's going to be real difficult if you don't get past that step to then appreciate Jesus on a cross, dying for your sins, which is the breaking of God's law.

But you're saying, well, I never sinned. That's really what it's coming down to. That's why a lot of people in their invitations, they say, well, you admit that you're a sinner. because some people who have been given over by God, because they're saying, not sin. Even though they felt guilty the first time. They will look straight in the eye.

They've been a whole movement, and everybody's getting all stirred up about Ruth Bader-Gindler, Ginterberg, because she was, I mean, a staunch. There's a human being inside the womb of their mother. There's a human being in there. Yeah. They're saying, looking you straight in there. the face. They're not a person yet. They're not a person. You're like two arms, two legs,

ears, mouth, no. What are you talking about? You know good well that's a person. Well, you were there at one time. But that may be out of ignorance. I mean, calling. They're saying it is nothing wrong with killing that because I have a God-given right to choose to kill what's not a person. It's not a person. Well, there's a, there is a, I always, I used to say, man, when they hit rock bottom, then they'll see. And it's like, no, there's no such thing as rock bottom. Rock bottom is death. I think the more you get into your

depravity, the more you believe the lie. And I think all these texts about Romans 1, Second Thessalonians, I think that what it's getting at, Romans 1 is a great example. Because we have, I've heard that, I've heard Romans 1 preach before and it lists all the things

that are going down in Romans 1, all the sins that people are committing, and they're in it and it's preached in a way where it looks like that God's mad them because of what they're doing. But if you read the text, all those sins,

that is the wrath of God. It's God just, like I said, if that's what you want, I'm pulling back and I'm giving you over to yourself. To a depraved mind. Think about the description, senseless.

Now, just think about a human being that God says, they are senseless, their faith, They are heartless and they are ruthless. Well, if that's the description of a certain grade of individuals who do not think the worthy to retain the knowledge of God, if you're that far gone, that's hell. That's beyond turning.

It's why Paul says in First Thessalon is that hell is being shut out of the presence of the Lord. And like we talked about yesterday, if heaven is being in the presence of the Lord, then hell would be being out of his presence. So you look at these cities like Portland and Seattle and these autonomous zones that they've set up and all that, just the chaos. This is the, and that's not even the end result of it, but that's a further progression of this is the freedom that we're looking at, that we're crying out for, and then you look at you like, that does not look like freedom at all. Look, they're looking, the news media, the vast majority of it,

are saying to us, the Democratic Party, they're saying to us, it's not happening. Sinful behavior is, we're not guilty of any sin. Well, let's, we haven't done anything wrong. Let's take a quick break. I think there's two things. If you don't acknowledge your sin and you don't acknowledge Jesus as the son of God, The path becomes impossible.

Now, I have, you know, if you read Hebrew 6, which I know is another, I'm not sure why we got into all these controversial passages, but Hebrew 6, people go there to try to argue, you know, whether you can fall away or not, and that's a hot button debate. But from God's perspective, you've got to remember, he's not bound by time. He knows everything simultaneously. So that's why you're not falling away from God's perspective

because he already knows the beginning, the middle, and the end. So yes, that, you know, when people say, well, I believe I'm once saved, I always say, well, you are in God's eyes because he already sees everything simultaneously. God's not surprised by what happens. God's just not surprised. Yeah.

So when you read something like Hebrew 6, which this gives me encouragement, because one, it keeps you humble, it keeps you acknowledging your sin, but it also keeps you acknowledging the payment for your sin, which is Jesus. But in Hebrew 6, verse 4, it says, it is impossible, impossible. For those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

who have tasted the goodness of the Word of God, and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away to be brought back to repentance. Now you said, what happened here? What happened to their heart? Because this was in the context about growing in your faith. And he was using it as a positive. If you grow and you become familiar with all these,

you'll be a mature, let us move on from the elementary truths. You'll be a mature person in the faith. But then he makes this statement, if they fall away to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss, they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjected him to public disgrace. And I believe his point is,

which he kind of does it in an analogy in verse 7 and 8, it says land that drinks in the rain often falling on it, which is a growing crop, and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farm receives a blessing of God. But land that produces stones, and thistles is worthless and in danger of being cursed in the end it will be burned and i think it's the same concept once you have an understanding where you're cut to the heart by your sin and you see

the transformation and you grow in the faith and you taste all the the blessings i mean this was five we have here being enlightened tasting the heavenly gift having the holy spirit uh understanding the word of god powers of the coming age i mean you get the whole process and then you just say, no. Not enough. Not enough. Well, why would you ever come back? That's really the point.

It's not about God not forgiving them, because he is love. He is forgiving all the time. It's just there's nothing more past Jesus. And so ultimately what they're saying is. And you're seeing, because that's where it starts. It starts saying, I'm doing wrong, but I don't believe it's wrong.

Because when people chunked Jesus, what they do? A lot of sin. No doubt about it. You got to get yourself away from Jesus in order to embrace a just hardcore simple life. There's two school of thoughts on Hebrews 6 though. One argument would be that these people were never saved in the first place and that they were all right but from God's perspective he knows. So that's why I tell people I'm like they say do you believe once saved always saved I say well from God's perspective I do because he knows. Now from my perspective, I have no idea.

I can't go around and say, you're saved, you're not, you're, so I just don't, because I believe that would fall into the judgmental category, and I don't know. I just say, you better stick with Jesus, and I'll love you, and I'll help you. If they call me, I'll come and try to help, you know, however I can. But I think there's way too much judging business in that line. Now, I do believe Christians are supposed to judge other Christians because of, is it First Corinthians 5 or Second Corinthians 5, one of them, when they had a situation in the church where it's this same situation. You had a guy sleeping with, I guess it was his stepmom. Is that what we're saying?

Yep. And they get down to the end and he's like, you need to confront him. And he then has a scenario where he's like, expel the wicked. man from among you is basically disfellowship but but and then it says we aren't supposed to judge those outside the church which was my point but those inside if you have a person who is having an open affair calling what we know is wrong right and saying you know what this is right there's nothing wrong with it well no there's a group of people there saying this is not what Jesus wants out of us yeah and then if he fights it they're saying well disfellowship but he basically gave the

direction to have conversations about people who are claiming to be with Christ, who are openly, undeniably living a sinful lifestyle. Because they're in danger from the things that we're reading, from God giving them over, because you can't call wrong right in the name of Jesus. We sure can't do that. There's a lot of it going on. Yeah, but I would say that judging somebody,

if the scripture does teach that a person can fall away from faith, then we should say you could fall away from your faith by doing it by this, whatever that is. Now, we may not be able to judge the individual person's heart,

but we could say that the scripture teaches, or if it teaches that you can't, then we should say that, which I'm not going to tell you what I think, because I would need, I would really want to unpack this. Well, I told you what I thought. I think from God's perspective, once you're saved, you're always. I do think it's, from our perspective, we don't know.

Therefore, my brothers, 2nd Peter, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, and he gave it the list, goodness, self-control, to perseverance, godliness, to brotherly kindness, love, it'll keep you from being ineffective, unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus. If you do, if you do these things,

you will never fall and you'll receive a rich welcome. Well, if you do these certain things like goodness and knowledge and self-control and perseverance and godliness and body of the cut. But all those are fruits of the spirit, right? Fruits of the spirit.

So if you live like that, you say, you'll never fall. But if you do these things and you never fall, if you don't do them, you can fall. It's the way my view of it is. Well, I think that's why. It's hard to blow it, what God has done for us. You got constant mediating work from Jesus at the right end, the Father, interceding for us.

It's hard to blow it. But if you come up and you're living like the devil, what shall we say? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase by no means. You died to sin. How can you live in it any longer? Well, let me explain a different way then. I say, let's take 1 Corinthians 10, which I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I'm just trying to explain a very difficult passage and a difficult statement when it says God gave them over.

If you go to 1st Corinthians 10. Hold on. This is really good, but let's take a break. In 1st Corinthians 10, he comes up with an analogy of what happened in Israel via the old law, which was where sin was written on stone and they couldn't keep them, right? Well, then he gets to verse 6 of 1 Corinthians 106, and he says, these things occurred as examples. And he comes up with a list on how someone is separated from God. It's a process.

And he says, these things happen because, you know, God, judged them in Old Testament, and a lot of them were massacred because they denied him and were separated from him. And he talks about that. Their bodies were scattered across the desert, what 10 and 5 says. So it starts off saying, to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. So would we agree, the separation from God starts right there. When you set your heart on evil things.

The second thing that happens is verse 7. do not be idolaters, as some of them were, as it is written. We touched on that. What is idolatry? If you have a heart set on evil, you have to have some way to justify it, to rationalize it, because God wrote on our conscience right from wrong.

Would you agree? Yep. So they rationalize it, and it says, the people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry, because whatever their idol was, was excusing the evil, that they wanted to do.

Woodstock on steroids. All right. Three then goes the next phase. We shouldn't commit sex limerality as some of them did. And then one day, here's the judgment,

23,000 of them died. So now we have a process for me. You have an idea on your heart. It's something you want to do. You may see a good-looking woman. She's half-naked and you're thinking, but you know, you're married. So you're like, no.

So somehow I know that you've got to justify it. So it's like, well, my wife don't even love me anyway. I mean, who's not to say, so you're, so you come up with an idea, call it idolatry, but it's just a way to rationalize what you want to do. Once you start down that path, it won't be long, you'll be doing number three, the actual sex. Yep.

And then what happens? In reality, what happens after? Nothing. You know, nobody comes and takes you, you know, God doesn't strike. you, you know, with lightning, I mean, you may get a sexually transmitted disease, but it still takes a while for even that to have the consequences, which is what I think leads to number four. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did, and were killed by snakes, because we know what happens. Once you start down that road, you say, well, I'm only going to do it that one time.

No, it's not going to work, because your heart is set on evil. You've justified it, and now you've a taste of the glory. It happens a lot. So then you test the Lord and you say, what is it mean? Well, now you're doing it and justifying it and even maybe going to church on Sundays and saying, well, I'm sorry, forgive me, but your heart's away from God. I think that's his point. So now you're testing the Lord because he's looking at your heart and your life saying

it ain't adding up. And that produces the fifth one, which is a guilty conscience and do not grumb what some them did and were killed by the destroying angel. Now, to me, the last time I went over this on a podcast, I did it because when you see your kids with a bad attitude, they just wake up in a bad attitude. You're like, what's wrong with this person? From reading this passage, I just back it up. I believe there's sin in the camp when the attitude is bad.

So I'm like, why are you grown up? Because I believe they have a guilty conscience because they're testing the Lord, they're in some sinful activity. They've rationalized it, and it all started because they got off in their heart and mind. Now, how I'm applying this to us and Christians and being saved? Because if you keep reading, verse 11,

he says, these things happen to them as example. He says it twice. And we're written down as warnings for us on whom the fulfillment of the ages comes. So if you think you're standing firm, be careful that you don't fall. So in our purpose, perspective, based on what I read, yeah, you can fall away from what you have.

Because he just said it, be careful that you don't fall. But watch what he says. And here's from God's perspective, which was my point. No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. So there's not, because most people say, well, I just couldn't help it. Or I was born a certain way. And, you know, like people use with anger or something. You know, I'm just a hot head.

Or, you know, I was born that way. No, you wasn't. You rationalize in your mind saying there's something wrong with my DNA that's causing me to do it. You know, when you say, you keep using that term, you rationalize another term for that is you're using fallacies. Fallacy. Idolatry. So then he says this. And this is what goes with John 14 and what we're talking about.

God is faithful. That's why I said from his perspective. perspective, he had moved. He is love. He is forgiveness. He will save you from moment to moment. And I like this. And God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. So he's offering that. But when you are tempted, he will also provide, I like these next two words, a way. because Jesus, John 14, I am the way. Let's take a break. He will provide a way out so that you can stand up under.

So what I'm saying is if a person falls, it is 100% them and not God. Because not only does he save you, he provides a way out, and he's not going to let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. Yeah, that's important because if you, If you say that there's a degree of sin that you can commit post-salvation to where God's like, eh, that was too much. I think this would prove that impossible. You can't.

And then you diminish the blood of Christ, and you diminish his sacrifice. And we can't say, because then what is that level? What is that point? That's why I think this whole discussion, you're right. I think this goes back to the concept of truth, the revelation of the Holy Spirit, of truth. even our definition of sin. I mean, how do we define sin? I think we've defined it in a wrong way

because we make it sound like sin is some violation of some arbitrary commandment that God gave us. It's almost presented like this, that God's up there, and he says, here's a list of rules to follow. And if you guys can follow these rules and prove your loyalty to me, then I'll let you in.

And that's not it. I think you could, justify saying that was it under the law of Moses. Not even that. But I'm saying you could say that he would prove that you can't because if you kept the law

100%, well you should be saved, right? Yeah, you should be, but nobody can keep it. Well, that's my point. I'm saying you could... Not that nobody can keep it. Nobody has kept it. Good point. Good point. Well, except now you're getting into what I say

when we get this other argument about, like, reaching an age of becoming a lawbreaker, which is Roman 7.9 to me is pretty clear. When he said once I was alive apart from law, when the commandment came, sin, spring, life, and I died. If you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and you read what Jesus said. he said a lot of other things according to john but he said enough to where you can check him out on what he said

i've scratched my head more than once saying what exactly did he mean by that and what what exactly was what he's saying there but as far as finding a mistake

a misstep zero so you got back to John 14. If anyone loves me, which is your motivation, that's a deep thing for anyone

who loves Jesus. Jesus is talking. He will obey my teaching. If he loves me. In the same way. So you're being he's motivating you, not by fear. By love. He's motivating you by love. And he said, my father will love him

and will come to him and make our home with him. Oh, that's in, well, John 14, 15 says that. And then this is, what you're reading now is 23. 14, 23. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. Yeah.

So I'm a 74-year-old male. I'm listening to the man, God who becomes a man, a human being, God in flesh, John 1, John 1, 14. And I've come to a conclusion. I love him. Yeah, that's good. Now, look, I've had trouble even telling my woman I loved her. And for the first 30 years after my conversion, I didn't go around telling people, I loved Jesus, because they're like, you what?

But at 74, I love him. You know what I'm saying? That's good. Because I read this and I'm like, he who does not love me will not obey, wasn't my command. It's like, it's like a relationship. I mean, it has to be deeper than, oh, I better not mess up here. It's like, no, I love my Lord, I'm not going to do that.

When I was a kid, you know, Phil and Kay, they didn't tell us they loved us. I mean, it just wasn't. Do you remember the first time that he told you that? It wasn't the Robertson way. In case I ever missed it, Jay's, trust me there. I do love you. Yeah. I appreciate it.

That's probably the third or four times. I mean, I was a grown adult. No, Phil did it through. He made a big deal the first time because he just said, I never have said this, you know. Well, I think Al told me the story, Phil. Bill Smith had preached a sermon on love. Everybody was grown, and you felt convicted by it.

So you come home and everybody's eating lunch or whatever. And you say, hey, hey, hey, everybody stopped what you're doing. I've got to tell you something. I think I'm here for you. I was going to tell you all, I love you. And I was like, and then everybody laughed because it was like, well, that wasn't that.

Yeah, and when I got, I told you about scratching the head, I scratched my head on things like, love your enemies. Yeah. I'm like, do what? He said, love your enemies. So I always tell them the hooknet story when the people were stealing fish from me

and I'd always scared them off with the shotgun saying don't be stealing my fish yeah yeah so finally one day i said jesus said love them i said it won't work but i'll try it because he said it so i said i'm actually going to see if that works well i go out there and the people who are stealing my fish i said boys you know i got them at gunpoint but i didn't have the gun on them i had a gun with me just in case but then i said love. It was conditional. You don't have to steal them.

I'll give them to you. And they looked at each other. But that did work better. It actually did. Yeah. They quit stealing from it. When you say, but when you said, kind of, when you talk about the motivation,

I was thinking about, and I've used this before in sermons, my relationship with my wife, Jill. And I'm going to tell you what would not work in our relationship. If I was faithful to her, which I have been, but if my motivation, and I told her, look, there's a woman that I really want to be with. But I'm going to be faithful to you because it's the right thing to do. That wouldn't work too well. No, because your heart.

That's why the chain of events that started First Corinthians 10 was the heart. I mean, it's like my wife, she would tell me a lot that she loved her, you know, early on. Because you got to remember we dated for months before. either one of us, you know, said I love you. I said it once when we were dating. I mean, I literally subscribe to the, if I change my mind, I'll let you know. We're good.

But after a while, I was like, why do I feel like that's such a big, I do love this woman. So, you know, now I tell her all the time. And I do tell people I love Jesus because to me, a lot of times I get into a bind. I mean, the other night I went to this event, there were maybe five sober people there.

I mean, and I was one of them. And I don't know any other way to keep it from coming awkward, and I don't like feeling threatened. So when people are like, you know, what's you drinking tonight? I was like, oh, I'm drinking Jesus. That just ends it, you know? Because then everywhere, what I noticed, You just said you don't want it to get awkward?

Yeah, I didn't want it to get awkward. Well, for me, I don't care if it's awkward for them. But I'm like, I don't want to be tempted in this situation where, and I've said many times, it's not a sin to drink. But I could just tell these people, they were drunk. Trust me, half of them couldn't stand up. And, but that's just what, because everybody I noticed when they're like that, they don't realize what they're talking about. about because they're drunk. So every group that I took a picture with or went with, they would say, well, let me get

you a drink. It was the same scenario over and over and over and over. Even though I could drink, I chose not to because I thought, y'all are embarrassing. You're embarrassing yourself, you know. And so I'd say that. I'd say, I love Jesus. And they're like, oh, you had a drinking problem in the past. You know, one of them asked me that.

And I said, nope. never had a drinking problem then they're like they're short-circuited well I think that I think that what this is what this all boils down to and just to sum it up at the end here is that what

the Holy Spirit is revealing to us is not necessarily whether something's right or wrong I think he's revealing what is truth and what is lie and he's what he's telling us about reality and he's saying this is the way to experience the abundant

life because that's what we're promised and it's not it. The spirit is a great great help. Oh, well right. And I think that's what we're getting to. I can't imagine trying to roll without him. But look, when he says in John 14, which is what we're going to talk about next time, but he said, I will ask the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever, the spirit of truth. Well, if you're living your life in deceit and lies, and I don't mean just, you know, in a duck blind arguing about who killed what. You know, that's some kind of childhood, you know, trauma coming out. But I mean, in your life, when you're doing things that you know are wrong

and you're justifying them and acting like they're not wrong, I mean, that's a dangerous line to be walking. Because supposedly if you've got the spirit and the truth living inside of you, it's not going to work to be calling wrong right. It's just not going to work. That's good. All right. Well, that's it for today.

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