Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 155 | Phil's First Duck Hunt with His Daughter, Satanic Soccer Mom, and the Snake in the Garden

Episode Date: October 2, 2020

Phil and the boys took Phyllis out for her first duck hunt, and Phil kept a close eye on her. Phil remembers the time 2-year-old Jase swiped a wood duck and where they found it. Phil, Jase, and Al talk duck lice, Phil's attitude toward gators, and whether the serpent in the Garden of Eden was a real snake. And Phil takes on the logic of the mom whose ungodly politics led her to join the Satanic Temple. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So this, we ended our teal season this past weekend. I would say overall, it was a bust. Yeah. Yeah, it's according to how you look at it. I mean, some people get wrapped up in the how many did we get, and that's the litmus test of why you do it. So it says a man with... But with me, it's just, as the old DU man said, enjoying the great outdoors. No, I agree with it. I agree.

The sun come up, you know, and we sit. But we don't fix it up for blue-wing teal for mainly one reason. You said, well, could you get more ducks on the premises? Well, of course we could. But if we spend all the time and effort to get ready a big teal spot, where we're using up a lot of very valuable grass and whatnot too early, September too early for regular duck season. So we'd rather save it for the main duck season for one reason.

The table as a table fare, the blue winged teal, even the Cajuns have to admit, it takes a lot of garlic, it takes a lot of garlic to knock that way out. I would say the blueing till is at the bottom of the list in terms of. He's right above a shoveler. Right above a shoveler, right in there, pretty close both of them. And it's their diet, I assume. They come down earlier.

You know, I've always assumed that it's because there's not as much water. You take a bird that smells like a sewer pond. That's right. That's the smell. That's the smell. And I've tried a lot of different concoctions. Maybe some of the guys in South Louisiana could give us a... Well, we found some guys, Jason and Jay have found some guys that take them and eat them and cook them.

Well, this was embarrassing. Look, Jay said there's a guy at that... feed store across from duck commander who will take blue wing tail so on the the last day well the next the last day we divide it up i don't know if y'all want to give your take on that i wanted to bring my dog and because he hadn't hunted well and we were taking phyllis and and we filmed it for in the woods so by the way if you don't have in the woods you can see that's really interesting so it was phyllis's hunt with dad it was the first daddy-daughter hunt we've ever had which was kind of strange and different.

Isn't that something, Phil? Bill were you, how did you feel about that? All I can say is through the years, I have mellowed big time. You did good. When you see me with a female, I don't care whether it's my mother, bless her soul, or my daughter. Or your wife. Well, here comes old Rob.

He ain't going in a duck hunt this morning. I got a woman with me. They're like, whoa, that old guy getting old now. You great whiskers, you boys, you. you learn when the whiskers start turning gray, there's a lot of things that you say, you know, she's the daughter, she's never been duck hunting. She finds out I'm her dad. And she loves the outdoors, and it was funny because when she was growing up,

I showed her what she was. Yeah, you were like teaching her stuff. I was giving her a little glimpse to prepare herself. First thing she did was get a shell hung up at the gun, so we had to dig that out. Well, think about it. The girl never has duck on it. So when it came time to load your weapon. other words the reason I had her seated within arms length of me is I was monitoring the way she was putting the shelves she went through the course the wildlife paper gave her a course like a five-hour well you have to do you have to go through the right because she just missed the guy so she had the elementary things but but but still you know you take a woman with a loaded gun she's never duck hunted in other words and she's got three shells in the barrel of the shotgun I tend to stay close to that and watch that very carefully unless we had the whole

safety conversation about not shooting in front of people. You know, stuff. I didn't want to wringing old dad's ears, you know, shooting over my head and all this stuff. Well, let's face it, Dad, you're hearing so bad. At this point, I don't think it would make any difference. But having thought about it, Phil, when you took me, when you came to Jesus and got lined out, I mean, one of the best moves ever, because I discovered a God consciousness, really when I went duck hunting the first time.

I mean, it might have been weighing on me that things are different. You know, my family's getting back together. It's a beautiful thing. That was top three moments in my life. So, you know, who knows? Well, when you're sitting in a duck line in that, in your right, you know, daylight, where do you see any ducks or anything else? I mean, just being out there and being a part of it and experiencing it, you know,

drinking a hot cup of coffee in a beautiful surrounding. I mean, it's just, it is. It's very, it's a spiritual. That's a lot of people, they misunderstand that when someone says, we're going to come along and take up your guns. Well, the political part and the dastardly act that would be, here we are people who, I mean, our entire life, we slept as children on pillows and mattresses.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the guy, the pillow man. He's a good dude. But the bottom line is the women picked the duck. and they would take those feathers and that's what we slept on and there was no cleaning part going, you know, and, you know, and sending them through some kind of machine that cleans them all up. It was just duck feathers and they sold them together. The women did. Well, we slept on that. So I was smelling ducks from the time I was first bed ever slept in.

I slept on duck feathers. So one of the stories, a true story, I came in with some wood ducks one time and I was in my prime. I was a lean machine then. So I had my wood ducks and I come in there. I counted them, you know. I knew I had, I don't know what it was, six, seven. So I looked around. I said, well, I said, I thought I had six ducks.

I said, maybe I left one of my truck, you know. I went out there, I looked at my truck, no. So I came back in there, and Ms. Kay said, well, you know, Jace, really loves ducks. He was holding that duck while ago. How old was it? Oh, you were like two or three? I would say you were about, I'd say two.

I'd say two or three years old. He was walking. But I said, she said, you might ought to go back here. He may have that duck, you know, where he slept there. So I walked back there, and Jace was in bed asleep, and he had that wood duck like that, crows like that next to him, like he was hugging a pillow, you know. So I got a three-year-old, I got a three-year-old hugging a duck and asleep. I looked down now.

I said, there's the duck hunter out of the bunch right there. That turned out to be true. It sure did. Jay says the most of the movies. He loved them the time he's the time. three years old. You know, that wouldn't have worked, though, for much more than a day, Jay. I just eased over there because I thought you gave us a couple of days and this will be wrong. So I just eased that and I ease that Woody out of his arms.

Two things probably happen there. I realize I had love for duck hunting and I battled duck lice my entire life. That's been saying. You probably had a transfer. If you sleep with a duck as a villa, you will have lice. Duck lice. That's right. All ducks have lice that crawl around on them. You get used to them. We're picking one of them. The lice is coming up your arm. You know, they're pretty tough little things.

You got a hard to kill. They get on your body. So Jason, other things. They wouldn't hurt you if you ate them probably, but you know. Well, yeah, who'd want to do that? Well, never considered to eat it. That's, I guess ducks eat them.

So another thing was we probably, from that era of our lives, you probably didn't have a lot of stuffed animals around. We were a little bit Spartan on the toys back in that era. You've seen a dog looking for a flea. He's got his teeth, and he's got his teeth going real quick. He's trying to get that between his teeth. Well, a duck louse, a duck, they'll light, and they'll turn around their neck, and they'll start going in their feathers like that.

What's that Doug's doing? He's like he's eating his feathers. I see, no, he's hunting them duck louse. You might have stumbled on a new product. Lice Krispies. I don't think eating them will kill you because probably from my. time to time. I might have, the time we get done.

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So we were separated, but I actually had a decent hunt. And y'all saw, because we had those, what, seven inch range? We saw these survivors come by moving south. Oh, yeah. They were heading out. Jason right on to Mexico. We couldn't hear him shooting because he was, he was a mile north of us and we had a south wind.

And the south wind was, we couldn't hear him. So we didn't hear him shoot. Plus he's shooting due north. He's in the blind that was facing north. Yeah. So he was boom, boom, boom. The gun was pointed away from us a mile away. Well, we didn't hear him shoot.

But then stoned with this high-tank. I was given on the play-by-law. Who goes to the black box. The black box. It was giving us a play-by-play. And Jace was given a play-by-play where we looked across the tree line and coming from the direction of where Jay says, I'm putting a weapon on them up here.

They just flew by. Of course, we tried to call out of them, but they just went on by heading on south. Old Jay's ran that bunch out. Every once in a while, a bunch like that will come in. The survivors. There was a big rain. So, Jay's, how did you get them?

You said you pulled a trick. Well, because we didn't know how much water we had, because we got, what, a six or six? Give our audience a taste of what it's like when ducks light 150 yards away from you. How do you get them to you? Because most people don't realize you do it with a shotgun. They're thinking, well, how would that work?

Tell them how it works. Well, it was about a six or seven inch rain. Which was another tropical storm. I mean, we have just been blasted this year. So me and the dog, we pulled out because there's a place that one of our best holes. And I look, I was like, boy, there's a lot of water here. And so I'm in Margo. I haven't ridden it through the water since last year.

The first thing that happened when I got on the map, mound to where it was, which I noticed a lot of water in the area. I said, where all this water coming from? Duh. Well, there's a hole. I don't know. Rats, dry rot. You may not explain an argo. Well, it's an amphibious. Goes through water like they hit the beaches and that's where it come from. Yeah. They hit the beaches or Omaha. Yeah. Well, I hit, when I hit the water, it filled up. And so I luckily, it wasn't a good boat. Yeah, it was going to sink. But I got on the mound. And so me and a dog get in there. Well, all the ducks came in the first five minutes. They poured in, but they all lit behind me.

Which told me... Because you had more water right there. Yeah, they have been coming in there. We call those local ducks. Now, they're not local. They've been there. But they've been there a few days. Yeah, a few days.

Well, I saw a bunch of teal come by. Of course, I'm like, you know, getting ready to my dogs. You know, I call. I never saw them again. And so about 10 minutes into the hunt, I heard them. Which is the teal sound. And so... Do I have my dog?

Have we ever blown the tealco? I don't know. Hit it a lick where the people are no, Jace. No, I have my calls, but not my teal call. But it's a little miniature amount. It's like they're kind of laughing. Like, he-he-h-h-h-h-tie-d-d-d-d-k-d-a-ha. Yeah.

So I kept hearing that. Well, I would call, they would call. A lot of times they'll get up. You'd make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. I'll tell you that. Well, that went on for 40 minutes, probably. And then I sent a text. We were just calling back and forth.

And I said, I'm fixed us. see if my gun will fire, which means I'm going to make a noise because I want to see what's here. And so I tested my gun. Well, when I did, ducks got up all over the place. And I mean, I just saw a teal come by because my goal was to shoot one teal. They had all lit where they lit, but they didn't know you were on the premises. They didn't know I was there, but when the shot went off, they all got up. Well, I was just trying to shoot one till for my dog.

So boom, and he folded. and my dog looked at me which was strange because usually he just takes off and I'm like it has begun so he took off well he's halfway out there I'll look up at another one just because they were just kind of flying boom well he falls well now my dog's confused do you want me to get that one or this one so I'm like I'm motioning to the dog well as I'm getting shells in my gun because I'm fumbling around looking for shells I'll look up there's two more sitting into decoys in literally three or four seconds. I just can't.

I wasn't sure how many shells I had if I had put one in or two, but I'm like, I'm going to shoot these two. Well, when I shot, two more got up, so there was three. So I killed that one. Well, then I killed the next one. And I put it on the next one and no shell. So I put three shells in my gun. Well, he just turned around and comes back over because early in the year, they hadn't

been shot. And I missed, I missed him. So that was my miss. So anyway, it was pretty, that was it. It lasted like two minutes, and I sent Phil of them a text. I said, they're coming. They're on their way. I sent Jay.

Because I didn't know what was behind me, but I had seen that big bunch early. So my dog actually did good. Well, to finish my story before, so I was actually talking to Phil on the phone. Of course, he was on his landline after the hunt, and I was going to give these ducks away because Jay's like, I got a guy who loves them. I was like, oh, that's gold. Because we have a few that do it. Hang on.

Let's take a break. Let's finish it. So I pull in there, but I was talking, I was telling Phil about the hunt as I was giving the ducks away. And I just stuck my head back here at the back end of this feed store. And I was like, I heard somebody loves blue winged teal. And the guy said, that'd be me. And I thought he looked a little familiar, but I wasn't sure. But anyway, I got him the ducks.

And he's like, you don't remember me? And I was, uh-oh. Which we went over in an earlier. podcast. That's so difficult a question. I was like, you look familiar because he did. And he was like, you baptized me. I was like, really? That seems like something you'd remember. But he's like, oh, it's 20 years ago, but actually it worked out. I mean, a duck hunt kind of brought us back together. And of course, I was like, well, how are you doing? He's like, pretty good. Yeah, that's good. So it was pretty good. And he took the teal, which was good. And he said, I love, I said, well, they're a little

musty for me. And he's like, oh, I like, oh, I like. And he said, I like the mustiness. Yep. There you go. To each his own. And that's why we still hunt him and enjoy them. Yeah, it was a good day. I mean, it's the only day I went this year.

And mainly I was just there to kind of help facilitate dad and Phyllis for the show. But we enjoyed it. It was good. It was, you know, kind of a, it was a fun thing for her to be a part of for me. Yeah. Well, we went the next day back together and she went. So I got to hunt with her. That was the last, I guess that was yesterday.

Yeah, that was yesterday. And we actually saw some, but they wouldn't come in. Right. Yeah, she loves it. She's been a couple of times, but it was such a slow year on the teal. But of course you got, remember, there were ducks lighting in the decoys, wood ducks. And she said, how in the world do y'all tell the difference? At this time of day, you barely can, it's almost dark.

Yeah. But you know what kind they are when they light. I said, it's. Years of experience. Yep. She was marveling it. saw those steel flowers she was how would you know that's what they were? I said well

ducks all fly differently they have a different wing beat pattern so we all know it from that yeah there's stuff you don't really realize because she said how do you know that's not a teal because Phil size he's got a blue patch on it I was like ha ha ha no but I was like the movement of his

head yeah and she's like what I was like look at the how he's moving his head that way I said a tail doesn't move his head that way that's correct what duck does that little that's right I said I know it's not of teal but she's like well how would you learn that and i thought that's a good question observation i guess i didn't notice that i knew that it's kind of a little funky 70s remember the old dance they had so you can't shoot wood ducks during teal season so but we had enough

ducks woodies wood ducks light in the decoys we'd had a pretty good shoot but since you couldn't shoot them the states over there and the carolinas you can they give you a duck a woody or two that you can kill during teal season all that all that all that you don't know all like that law better. They call them mistake ducks because they can't tell the difference. I have to say statute of limitations, I hope, run up. But when I was young, I didn't know, I wasn't able to distinguish. So I'd had a few misidentifications, you know.

Well, you have to learn. No, no, I'm sure if you get checked by the game. Shoot the wrong duck. Cost you $150 fine, you know, five years unsupervised probate. I mean, look, it's a federal offense. Literally a federal offense. I mean, these people, y'all talk about rules out there in America. Look, go duck hunting one time.

Listen, they got more rules and ready to kill two of this kind, one of that kind, three of those kinds. You can't have over six total. Well, when everybody gets to look into what they have, you know, I say, okay, let's see. I can't kill but three woodies. You better not have four on you. Just have the three. Or it's a fine and all that. So it's stringently too many rules, but I mean, they mean well.

Well, some of them we've talked about before kind of silly. Some of them are redundant, too. Well, you can hunt 60 days. 250 years and the continent went from a wilderness to skyscrapers, concrete, you know, big old windmill, wind turbines going across, which is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. By the way, those things kill way more birds than we do. Just a spinning. So when you look at them on the landscape, you're like, we don't want to fill our, we've got enough stuff already built on it, draining rivers, damned up this and that and the other. Well, you look at the, but the ducks.

amazingly. They raise, and most of them in the Canadian wilderness, there's still enough territory where it's still churning out, literally hundreds of millions of birds, and you add them all up, cranes, various, you know, snipe, all kinds of migrating. We're watching them all the time. Look at there.

They've got some snipe. They're just getting here. Well, we're watching them all. Kingfishers, they all migrate. Humming birds. We're seeing all these birds that are migrating. Then you have the geese just. big mighty throngs of them in the air,

they knocked down jet aircraft that they suck them up in the engine, the old guy that landed on the Potomac. Oh, Sully. Sellingberger. Yeah, what river was? It was a Hudson River. Hudson River, he just,

he had to set the plane down in the Hudson River to Canadian geese went through his engines. He was, well, you know, I'm going in on the Hudson. They said, come back. But he was a glider pilot. Didn't lose a man. He was a glider pilot, so, which was a break for then.

I think about every time. I'm just saying, though, birds offer a, migrating birds are pretty well, there's times when they will actually shut down airports because they look at them coming by, you know, at three to five thousand feet. And they're like, whoa, we need to, that's too many, too many birds to fly through.

That's right. Remember, Jay's, we were going. It's amazing. They were that resilient. We were going to our uncle's funeral and Tyler. It was me, you and Willie, I think, and mom. And, like a prop plane, the small one. And we were coming in,

And all of a sudden, I mean, you know, we were probably 500 feet from the runway. And all of a sudden, we just did a straight up thing. And, of course, you know, it all shook us, you know. We looked at each other and the pilot came on. I was that old Alan. He came on there. He said, sorry about that. A buzzard just kind of, you don't want to hit one of them.

I mean, a buzzard was coming in there. And he's coming in on landing like this. And all of a sudden, he'd just go straight up, which is very unusual. And then he laid it back down and we landed. A buzzard in a prop is a bad. Well, I said, have you ever heard what? He said, oh, yeah. And I said, well, did it like cause you?

He said, oh, no, I mean, we just chewed him up. He said, well, you're talking about stink. So he was more avoiding it because he didn't want his plane to stink. But of course, all our hearts, you know, in their chest, you know, when you have one of them. That smell was coming from that, from that dead armadillo on the road. That's right. The thing ate. You are what you eat.

The one that landed in the Hudson, you know, they hit a Canadian honker. Yeah. That's what's a Canadian hawkers. But you know that. If you go through, it sucks it up. 10, 12 pounds, 15 pounds. In an engine. I mean, the engines are more susceptible than a prop.

So we're here trying to clean up the sky. But, you know, so that's what we do. We're out there just putting our two cents worth in, you know. But it is pretty remarkable. It's a 250-year-old tradition, hunting birds. So that's still here. But, you know, these people, they pick up the guns. We're looking at them like, are you crazy?

Yeah, well, we would do that. I mean, your whole lifestyle is gone. So we need to hold on to that. That's why the Second Amendment is critical. A lot of people say, well, you know, I'm not shooting these kind of guns. We need our weapons. I mean, we're duck hunters. And we cycle through it every election cycle.

So this year on the duck stamp, there was a whistling duck, which I think, did you all see one this year that came in? Yeah. Well, I saw a bull. They're raising where we are. Yeah. So, right, there's a lake in town right by our church building. and the woman that lives next to that pond because I saw about 30 of them in there

and I was like, those look like ducks but I said, what are they? And then I got to look at them. Tree ducks. Yeah, so then she said every year they migrate in. I think they've just come up from South America. Or wherever they came from, right? When the climate started getting a little warmer,

and it is, these ducks just started migrating up from South America. So they're coming up. And they're on the coast of Louisiana's where they were for years now. But now they've migrated. up to north Louisiana. Somebody tell me they're good to eat, so I never have tried one of them. Can you hunt them? I mean, are they?

Yeah, I think during duck season, you can shoot one. Okay. But I'm not 100% sure. I will be 100% sure if I discharge my weapon. But there was a bunch of them when I, on my hunt, I could hear them. Once I got the sound, which our pin tail whittling. They sort of whistle, don't they? It's a louder whistle, but you can get the sound from your pentail widge and whistle.

So you need to change. I need to tell them in duck, manner. Well, they got a six in one. They call it a six and one. We need to put seven. We've added. We've added.

He sounds. Now, I've got to figure out exactly how to emulate, you know, the style. Do you know if it's the hen or the Drake that makes a sound? No, I just heard that one that came in. I'll do some research. Yeah. But if they're good to eat and we now have them, I'd never seen one hunting in my life. Well, this year.

Jay said if you can't kill one, he wants to mount one just because it's unique and different. Well, they got big old legs on them. I was thinking, you know, turkey legs. I think there's a couple of different kinds. One of them, they call a full of us tree duck. I think that's what we have. He has long legs like a crane. Right.

But he's an ugly joker. But, you know, they claim it pretty good to eat. I saw one who had about five little ones about a couple of months ago. I said, well, good night. I didn't know them tree ducks were raising on us. On our place? Yeah. They had raised off.

She'd raised off a brew because she'd come off the bank. There was a couple of more. hitting there but then she had about five little ones following you know right we've got we have alligators and stuff so you know for for a for a duck to make it you know that's incredible i mean between the hood owls and the allotators and the otters and the mink and the fox and bob cats everything's after i mean so out of a brood like wood ducks she'll lay 12 eggs and a paller tree but about four make it from all the varmarts eating on them but the reason they all might have made them food source for man and beast.

So. Let's take another break. Speaking of alligators, Tony told me, so, you know, I've been down here 45, or we've been here 45 years, hadn't lived here for 25, but I've never seen an alligator in Thompson Bow, which is right behind our house. We've seen quite a few of you. I know, and that's what I said. You need to get out more.

Well, I don't come here. Yeah, they started. I come down to do podcast. I don't know if they're migraine. I was shocked. Through here? Or, we've seen more and more and more. I know.

They've always been here, but North Louisiana, not as much as South Louisiana. But these days, we see them everywhere. All over every duck hole we've got. We see alligator. Oh, I've seen them on the property. We've got a problem. I think those back-to-back flood years disperse the gators because it's rapid now. Now we're seeing them.

I mean, he saw it, which they're kind of like, oh, no, alligators. I'm like, look. I was with the swamp people the night. I was like, boy, y'all make that really dramatic. He was like, yeah. They did for gators what Jaws did for sharks. You know, like it's, it makes it, most of them people are swimming around, sharks are swimming around, nobody, there's no interaction.

It's the same with the gator. But you say alligator to people that aren't used to being around them at all, and they're just mortified. Like, he's just going to jump in the boat and eat you, you know. I saw a big splash. When the water was like 15 feet deep over there, I had a duck blind over there, and I'm pulling up to it, and we're making sure we got all our ropes tied up. The river's coming up, so it's up 20 feet from dry ground.

It's just way up there. So I got about 15 of them big floaters, so I'm out there checking them. I saw a big splash, and I said, hmm, that might have been a beaver. I said, I think I'll put a bullet in his head because, you know, they try to build their houses on the duck blinds, and they don't check with me about it. So I pull up there. I saw the splash. I just saw a big splash.

So I pull up there, and I start falling in the bubble. from whatever it was. So I'm just on that line of bubbles. I'm right in my hand and my motor, got my gun in my hand, and I see the bubbles. I see them, they're coming on up.

And I said, yeah, I'm going to shoot this old beaver. I got my gun ready. When the thing popped up, there's an alligator head. You know, that alligator popped his head up,

looked around. I'm like, I said, well, well, you know, I thought you were a beaver. You live. Because we're hoping they'll eat bea.

It was out of an alligator season or whatever you call it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And you're hoping they'll eat beavers, which would take care of your products. They eat beavers. So he's my friend.

He's my friend. And they're really not aggressive. They're not aggressive. The only time they're aggressive is when they're on a nest. Yeah, when they're on a nest and you don't want to be stomping around on a nest. They will get a dog or two down in South Louisiana. They catch get a few of the dogs. Up here too.

There was a guy that was trained his lab in Black Bay or somewhere up north. And they got him. It was a little little small about your color. It was like a... Oh, them two little dogs I got, they wouldn't last five minutes in some of these places around there. I mean, that's just like perfect appetizer for our...

Well, and Phyllis and Tony do have a little old hound, and he was down there by the thing. If he gets some water around him, you don't want to do that. You know, they're faster than a human on dry land. Do you think you're going to run? No. No. He'll chase you down and eat you. Yeah, if he was aggressive, we'd be...

He's not aggressive. So, Al, what about this person who got a hold of us and said... So we got some... Yeah, some listener questions that I always like doing these because we get a lot of interesting stuff from you guys and it gives us a chance to kind of get out of our normal study. And one of the questions we got, and I don't have a name for this one, but they said, was the snake an actual snake in the Garden of Eden? And of course, we don't ever talk about this amongst ourselves before we get here.

And we were already debating before we got on the thing. So I'll let Dad, you start. Tell us what you think about it. I would just simply say, what's the story of the donkey and the talking donkey? Balaam's donkey. Balaam's donkey. In the King James is Balaam's ass. There was a donkey that God spoke through.

So when you get into the spiritual world, although sometimes you're looking at it and you're saying, boy, some of this stuff. But I would just simply point out, we just covering John 13, as soon the, Jesus said, it is the one to whom I give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish is the one's going to betray me. So there's the disciples sitting there, and we now have the way he's going to be exposed. So then dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the Scareate, Son of Sine. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him. So I know he can enter human beings.

Well, if he can enter human beings, then you would think, based on the donkey story, a talking donkey, you're like, hmm, so you say he could enter animals too. So do you believe it was a snake? I believe it's possible that because of the donkey story and the one where he entered Judas, Satan entered him. So in a spiritual world, it's not like the scientific world. Well, this is impossible.

Right. Well, we just have these stories and you say, is there an answer for them? What's amazing is it snake or not, I can see that Satan would have entered a big snake and could do any. He's that powerful. I know this, the ramifications of what. what happened with that story.

I know that came out of it. You have good God and evil Satan. Now, how he got here through a snake, probably it was because of people who are atheists, said, well, that'd be impossible. You know, Job spending the night in the belly of a whale, they usually pick those, they said, well, that's impossible. In the spiritual world, anything is possible.

Well, that's right. I mean. That's my only, that's my answer to that. supernatural. I think it was a snake as well. Although, you know, I could be wrong, but it could have been something else. But part of it is because it's so descriptive

about, because it says the serpent was more crafty, this Genesis 3, than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. So, I mean, he puts it in the animal world context. If that snake, Jay, if that snake, and if Satan can't enter them,

if that's the way it's going to work on my part, If you could see the trail of dead snakes that I have killed. I have done a great, I have been a great harvester against Satan, and I have killed many, many of my foes. Well, there's a pile of cotton mouths I've left behind me that would reach this ceiling. If you'd have been in the garden, this could have avoided this whole thing. This would have never happened.

This whole thing about seeing, if I had been there with a weapon, you say the snake would have never made it that far. You had to get a stick. I'd have taken him out. So whenever, which is funny, because of course, you know, obviously we're saying this tongue-in-cheat because at this point in time, before the flood, Adam and Eve, and I guess all of humanity, just had a very common relationship with the animal world. I mean, they didn't have the wildness about them until post-flood.

They were all vegetarians. That's right. Well, we know that from Genesis 9. From Genesis 9. That's right. So, but the reason I think it is. is, and then I'll let Jay's, Jay says another theory, I think.

It says when he cursed him, so after, obviously the snake could talk, that's not normal, but I agree with you. I think that's because Satan entered the snake and allowed him to talk. Just think about what that would have sounded like. The bottom line is, I see good on the earth,

and the good comes from God, and I see evil. I see them both. For someone to deny, even an atheist. An atheist knows when he breaks the law. He knows when he sins. His conscience tells him that.

Well, you know, I know I'm saying I don't believe in God, but what I'm doing right here, this is not right. So I need to really cover my tracks here, and they scheme and all of this stuff that comes out of it. So there is evil on the earth. There is good. And the story on where he came from through a snake is a pretty heavy one to believe.

But I'm looking at the rest of the Bible and the good and evil part. There's supernatural stuff everywhere. So to say, well, now that can never happen. Well, you could say that about every story in the Bible. There were three things that happened. First, the snake was cursed, and here's what God told the snake. Now, you think about, well, that's not fair to the snake

because it was Satan that was, you know, if that's the case. But here's what he said about the snake. Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals, which, by the way, I believe is why there's a trail of dead snakes. or if one comes out on the road, people will run off the road. Plus another good point is you have among the animal world, when you get to snakes, you have the vast majority, which is a good thing, of snakes or good snakes.

Yeah, we only kill poison. They're not going to hurt you. But there is a percentage of them in there, speaking of good and evil, there is a percentage of snakes that you don't want to fool with. They are sneaky and they will bite you without. Any kind of warning? I mean, some even have a warning device. The rattlesake, you hear that buzz.

You better stand close. You better watch what you got going there. But I'm just saying among snakes, there's good and evil. All right. Let's take another break. So, here's another. So anyway, he says you will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life, which implies to me that this early version of the snake had legs.

He's walking. And most people are afraid of any snake. Right. Why are they so afraid of any snake? Well, that's right. Because they do a lot of damage against just regular poor snakes. So let me give the rest of my theory. It's just like people who can't identify ducks.

I mean, like if Missy sees a snake, she has no idea. You would immediately know that's a rattlesnake. She wouldn't know. Right. She wouldn't know. So she's just frightened. Well, it just feels like, well, how come? I really think that's it.

They're not, they don't identify a snake. they just see snake. I mean, size is the same way. So let me read you this. So this is my theory on why I think that was an actual snake inhabited by evil spirit. This is from the American Museum of Natural History. Pythons and boa constrictors, so the big boys, they have tiny hind leg bones buried in muscles towards their tail, the end of their tail. A little bitty flanges that at one point were legs.

So such features, either useless or poorly suited to performing scientific, specific tasks, are described as vestial. So it's vestial leg bones. They are also intriguing, then they say they are also intriguing evidence of the evolutionary history of the species. So they're saying, by evolution, they lost their legs. But evolution, we've had this argument before. I don't want to have it again. I mean, I'm like, things evolve. I think God set that in motion.

That doesn't bother me. It's like our people or we don't want to admit anything. I mean, things evolve. So my theory is... Couldn't God have set it up where... My theory is, what if those big boys are up walking around in this period,

but then when the curse happens, there's no more walking around. From now on, you're going to slide around. I love that. I mean, that God would have done that. It's possible. I like that the part... That's what I look for.

since I'm an outdoors person. I look for evidence where you read a verse. And he says, well, now you're going to slither around. I didn't know that. That was interesting. I think it's an awesome piece of evidence. Another point is at least interesting that when the Apostle Paul got in the book of Epheson 610 and following, he said, arm yourself, put on the full arm our God.

Because we don't wrestle. we're not wrestling against flesh and blood. Now, when you start looking at it, you say, that's not where the enemy is. The enemy is far more powerful. In other words, we're going against the authorities, the rulers, the powers of this dark world, and the spiritual forces of evil.

Listen to this, in the heavenly realms. So even all those thousands years later, by my count, about 5,000 years later, after the snake in the Garden of Eden, if we're not wrestling against flesh and blood, that tells me there is a spiritual world out there with a lot of crazy going on within it. You see what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. In fact, I'll recommend a book for our audience. It's the best book I've ever read on spiritual warfare. A guy named Joe Beam wrote it, and it's called Seeing the Unseen. Seeing the Unseen by Joe Beam. It is outstanding. Because he goes into all those patches like you just mentioned.

There's a lot in the whole Bible. Oh, yeah. that talk about evil spirits, that they're sort of a ranking system of Satan and evil and, you know, different, you know, and he talks about the stuff we read about. And snake or not to this day, I just got a letter of the day or somebody showed it to me where people, they joined the Satanist Club or, I mean, he's, you know, there's various degrees, but there's all kind of groups together, and they have Satan that they bow down to. He sent you a letter? Huh? Somebody sent it off on a computer. I don't have a computer, but they brought me some information about the Satanus. And the girl said, basically, I've become a Satanist. She said, because I'm so afraid my daughters won't be able to terminate to abort their children. She had two daughters

that she had. And her logic was, I'm so afraid that they won't have the freedom to kill their children because of the current situation with the Supreme Court and everything, you know, they're going to take that right away from me. So I became a Satanist. She said, amazingly, I found out that I've been a Satanist a long time, but I just didn't realize it until now because it doesn't seem normal to me, but now it's abnormal times. So I've become a Satanist, of which I really was one to begin with. So I have to kill my children or this whole thing is going to blow up. I, I have to. I I have to have that right to do it. But think about the irony that she...

That was the logic. She had two daughters that she didn't terminate, and she wants them to have the right to terminate other children, her grandchildren. I've never had an abortion. I have two children, my two girls. That's fascinating. But I'm worried, but I just thought to myself,

I said, what in the world kind of logic is that? Give your daughters that you let live, give them the ability to kill their offspring for no reason, and then become a Satan. and then say, whoa, whoa, I guess I've been a Satanist for a while. Now, we don't worship Satan. We don't bow down to him. We just think he's right when it comes to us having the right to kill our children.

You talk about a single issue voter. I read it and just sort of shook my head. And, of course, in the trash can it went. But, I mean, I'm thinking, girl, why would you come up with that scheme in order to just kill an unborn child? validates more of what the Bible says. And again. She's actually validating herself. Let's take one last break.

I thought of the verse that says he blinds the minds of unbelievers, or the idea that they get darkened in their understanding. I mean, to follow the her logic path to where that wound up, that's a pretty, that's a dark. Listen to what Isaiah said. whom are you mocking at whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue these are the people that are mocking god they sneer they read about you know satan being in snakes then they're like what no are are you not a brood or rebels the offspring of liars you burn with lust among the oaks and under every spreading spreading tree you're just immoral and

perverted to the core of your being you sacrifice your children in the ravines they would walk up to those cliffs and just chunk them their child just bounce off the rocks down there that's what they were doing in the days of Isaiah well when you look at it you read this and you sacrifice your children in the ravines you go to a little secluded spot and just throw them away that's what they were doing in the day of Isaiah and he was saying you are a brood of liars. Offspring of liars. There was another group.

I can't remember which prophet it's in, maybe Isaiah, and they talk about the fires of Molek. So they would build these iron altars and get a red-hot fire and then just throw their children in the fire. They were sacrificing them to Molek. They've been killing their children ever since they were on planet Earth. Now, when you say, well, Satan threw a snake, and he introduced evil to the world and the downfall of mankind and the sin spread from there all the way to right now where

I'm seated. You're like, when you look at it that way, you're like, so you believe there's good and evil on the earth? Well, where is it coming from? What's the source of both of them? What's the source of good? Is there a source for good? Is this Jesus real?

And what's the source of evil? No matter how it got here, it's a wild story, but I'm looking at it. I know one thing. Good and evil. It's here. That's right. And I've tasted both of them. Isn't it interesting, though, going back over thousands of years of human history,

that killing of the innocent has always been a thing. It's always been a thing. I mean, and you think it's the worst thing. Like, it's the worst possible thing I could imagine. The thing is kicking. The baby is kicking inside the womb. And you know how it got there. Sex.

You said that's how it gets there. And it's the way things. work, everybody knows it, that's how you get them. And he's moving around and you're like, but it's really not a person. And you're like, well, you were there. It goes off the rails. You were right there at one time. Was it you? And they're like, well, it was me then, but I wasn't a person yet. You say, well, you're standing here. You were inside a womb and you came out of the womb a person and it's you and there's no one like you on planet earth. You were in the room at one. point, and you're telling me now, there's not anybody in there.

Right. I'm like, well, you just came out of there. Or this crazy woman, this crazy woman whose mother had her, and then she had two daughters, and now she's saying, but I want them to kill my grandchildren. Yeah. How does that make any sense? That's when it comes to evil, and we saw it was introduced through a snake. You're like, maybe it's just God saying, this is like a deadly poison viper.

You know, Sanger, Margaret Sanger, the woman's... And for some reason or another, all human beings, especially females, are deathly afraid of any kind of snake if they find them like we found one in here. Oh, there's a rat snake. I looked at him. It was a rat snake. They said, what you think? And I said, non-pointers, let him go.

He's catching mad. That's a rat snake. That's right. He catches. You saw what he was after, James. I saw a mouth coming in, so he needs to do his job. So I want to... So wrap it up.

We just got a couple of minutes less. It's possible that... that Satan can enter anything. Yeah. He entered Judas. He entered the donkey. He entered the son. So whether you...

What's your take, Jace? Well, I don't know. It doesn't... And it doesn't matter, but it's interesting discussion. It doesn't. It doesn't. Well, we've crossed a threshold here. Some of our fan base said,

we want more of O'Field than less of Jace. Jace has finally admitted, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know. That's why I hadn't missed anything. I don't know. I'm 50-50 on this one. I definitely moved the needle on you when you learned about the legs and the pythons, right? I mean, the leg bones. Well, I like it, but I've always viewed Genesis kind of like a new revelation.

I mean, he wasn't giving you, the purpose was not to give you every detail of how this all happened. Because a lot of impossible things are happening. So I don't think that's the intent because we have so many questions that will never be answered. So I just think it's a, it's an overall view of how we guys. here get the point. God made it. A metaphor. Yeah, there's a there's a line of thinking in Christian universities now that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are not literal people or things, which I don't agree with that, because I tend to, I try to take it literal if it is. Well, to your point, I'm saying I'm kind of in between. I feel like Adam and Eve, you know,

were real. But where, you know, where were the other people? And did they, were there? Because all of a sudden it's like well wait a minute they're reproducing even after the flood i've got a theory on that too but i don't have enough time to talk about well what i'm saying now there's a lot of theories that come correct from that and and it doesn't matter to me if the snake was actually talking or it was the only way they could describe how satan had entered this situation to me it doesn't matter i mean the point is evil's real uh god's team wins you know god because of the the occurrences in the garden had to put forth in motion his scheme of redemption, which ultimately brought us.

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