Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 157 | The Mystery of Phil's Wedding Date, Jase's #1 Goal & Claims That Jesus Sinned on the Cross

Episode Date: October 5, 2020

Phil tells the story of his quickie wedding to Miss Kay, and Al shares his family's long-standing confusion over the wedding date. Jase reveals the life goal that's at the top of his list. A listener asks for guidance on how to respond to a neighbor who insists that Jesus sinned when he asked why God had forsaken him. And the guys weigh in on whether doubt is a sin. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We're going to be, I do a lot of howling these days because I'm... Do you howl with the dogs? Oh, yeah. We have a big time. I mean, I've enjoyed it. Chase is kind of a notice he likes to get down at the dog level.

Yeah. You know, because you like to run with them. You howl with them. I mean, you know, I just, I like, what they say, they're man's best friend besides Jesus. Yeah. and people. Okay. That's my take.

But you know, I'll have a new dog, Missy's grandma. She's with the Lord now. I would say that's an inherited dog. You inherited that dog. Yes, we did. And I think it was done because Gigi, she's funny. And Missy doesn't like animals.

And so it's ironic that she left her. I think she was trying to teach her a lesson. That was pretty good. And so Missy, she lasted about, you know, a week, I guess, because this dog had been spoiled. Right. So now it's hard to teach a spoiled dog. Things have changed. You don't poop where you want to.

Because it's kind of a house dog. Right. And so, you know, I gave the dog his first spanking, which I'm sure some people are like, oh, no. But it's like, you know, a lot of people. people they think it's wrong to spank their kids and and spank you know dog but i'm like some people would think it's worse for the dog i mean you know even i mean people you know what weirded out about their animal that one spanking for that dog hadn't done it since right there's three weeks we're into it he he he realized oh we go outside right and do that so but i told missy but she's like why i just

didn't want to deal with it. I was like, well, you got a discipline. Little dogs. Right. Sort of like kids. So you're doing this, you got some back and forth because you got two you're in Texas and here because we have to do the podcast. So how's that bachelor living?

You're loving that? Right now, I hadn't seen my wife in a while, so I'm on edge out. You know, it's like anything else. It's like when Phil said, that's commercial. fish the river you know it's really fun for about a week we're just living out here we're growing our bairds out we're fishing we rule these waters after about a week you know you're like and then the grind sets in we stink i've been finned multiple times there's no money in this i miss my girlfriend now you come full circle now it's like because of you know kids and stuff you're

doing so last night me of called Carly, because, you know, they're pals. And she, they talked for probably an hour. But it was really just fun seeing them, you know, just talking about school, you know, now catching up, all that kind of stuff. She's really loving the school. It's really challenging. It's going to prepare for college.

They're focused on Jesus. We made a spiritual decision. Sometimes in life, I mean, if you're making a seek first the kingdom with your family decision, which is what it is, even though it's complicated. Right. I just think it'll work out. I do, too. I think, you know, my number one go in life is to get my family,

and I mean my wife and kids and acquired kids, to heaven. So I have to put that as the top of the Lord. I mentioned that in my sermon Sunday. When I, you know, I married Grant and Julie, who's Phyllis's oldest son a couple of weeks ago. I was there. It was the quickest wedding I've ever been to. I tell you, I don't mess around. Thank you for that.

They asked me, they were like, so how long is it? You know, every, like, couples, like, how long's the way they're going to be, like, holding their breath thinking you're going to say, well, 30 minutes? I said, 15 minutes. And they were like, really? And I was like, yeah, that's the most of the do. So in the vows, well, you heard it. So in the vows, I have a vow that I say when they're repeating to each other, it says, I vow to work alongside you to get our family to heaven. It's part one of my vows.

And, you know, I've been doing it for years, but it was really interesting because we were in a new place. like, you know, around here I do the way it's the same crowd up most of the time at the church. And, uh, but these people had never heard that. So I, I had, I had six people at least come up. And, and, and specifically that point in the vows where I said, they said, we've, we've never heard that before that. I mean, that is beautiful. That's, that's such a good thought, you know, for like a couple. And I just thought, well, that's, that's just foundational, you know, it's just basic. But I guess they hadn't heard somebody do it. So this one guy comes up and he's got a camera, he's been taking pictures like he was like the photographer but he was just a person at the wedding

i guess he liked photography he said would you mind if i took a picture of your notes which i've never been asked that before from a wedding i said no you know so i opened my thing up and you know he got this a couple of shots he said i just you know that was just so good i just was so rich i just love that i wouldn't have thought you even had no ow i i blinked about twice and it was over i couldn't believe it i thought what just happened here it was 15 minutes but it but but you know it's not boring that's why it goes fast you know when you drag i've been to weddings before for people oh and the guy just you know how'd you're going preach a sermon yeah oh yeah and then they tell jokes and you know preacher stories and i'm just like

dude it's not about you yeah nobody like the wet they're not here for you you're just like getting this thing going and tying the knot you know i got married i have i remember nothing And most couples don't. When she came out, I thought, this is happening. This is happening. And so I kind of blacked out. Yeah. And then, you know.

Oh, I've seen so many grooms. I love that look on their face when she comes down because there's something about them. I mean, they're dressed up and makeup, but it's not that. There's a glow about a bride on her waiting day. And boy, those guys, sometimes they're like you. They're just like a stupor. Others, they'll just start bawling. You know, just big burly.

Yeah, he got a little emotional. Yeah, I was surprised. And like he's like a man's man, deputy sheriff. But he said, he said, I know I'm going to lose it when she comes out. There's ain't no way. Well, before I had time to lose it, when your mother and me, when it came time to go down to see what the justice has a piece was going to do, we got our blood test 10 bucks we could drive through they said go down there the justice of the

piece he told us where to go we went down there time to get married he walked up and he said you want her i said yeah he said she's here a sign right here that's short of than mine he said that'd be $15 that's what's the miss kay you got her in her purse mine was and give him the $15 and we walked out the door This was very short. I'm taking it. You didn't get tears in your eyes. This guy was not going to tell any stories.

No. You want her? Yeah. Sign right here. Did you, did you set some tears there in that tenter? Nobody was crying. Ms. Kay hunting up at 15, but I, you know. That was probably the hardest part of the process.

It's the quickest wedding I've seen. So do you remember the town you were in? Out of Bell, Oklahoma. I was, I was one of you. Because there you could marry them when they were 18. And Lou Geano, 21. Really? Yeah, so she was about, yeah.

Maybe seven. She wasn't she seven? No, she was old in that. That's right. It was 68. Yeah, yeah. So it was funny because the reason we never really knew when y'all got married because it felt super long.

We could do a whole podcast on that. But because I came along with 65, but y'all had had what mom calls a pioneer wedding. Yeah. Which means. I mean load them up and leave. Which basically means you just said, yeah, we're just going to be together. We just heard the Pioneer wedding. That seems more like just the pilot.

Looking back on it. I'm thinking about it. I said, what a heathen I was. So y'all had me and 65. We were a little more free spirit. Exactly. Well, it was the 60s and you weren't a Christian. I was thinking that.

while ago. It was disco and the hippie. Well, the hippies, yeah. So, I mean, it was a little pre-hippy. But so, so that was 65. So in 68, y'all tied the not for real in Idaho, Oklahoma, which is good, because that means Jace was legitimate. That was illegitimate. Well, we just got to thinking about it. We said, you know, the legal ramifications down the road, this and that, and other, we said, so what's funny is, so we never knew when the day was, and my mom was like, I don't know. And, of course, you were like, you know, and so we never knew when they got married. Our whole lives, and they didn't either. And so when the show came out and we did that 50th anniversary episode, which was really neat,

is one of our favorite episodes. In Idaho, Oklahoma, somebody that worked in the courthouse, found their wedding license. And they put a sign outside of Idaho, some of a married place. It became a huge deal in Oklahoma. and somehow wound up, I saw a picture out on the front page of their paper. It was y'all's marriage lives, which I don't even know if that's legal. What's weird is. And then I said, there it is, April 11, 1968.

Now I know when you got married. Behold, your sins will find you out. You try to cover up. That's why they always say the cover-ups worse than the crime. That's right. Because somebody's going to say, hey, get her done. This is where they got married. And that's when we found out.

But they had already told us years ago that, they didn't get married until 60. So we knew it happened, but nobody knew when. And that was kind of funny. But you all's credit, Phil, you've been real open about your past. It is what it is. Well, I think it comes to what one of the three legs of what we discussed in John is that Jesus is the light, and we live in the light.

We're transparent in our past, our present. I mean, we're honest. That's why we confess our sin. What I call a true ism, but I've just watched through the years, and the ones who have come to Jesus and know they've been forgiven, they don't have any problems with talking about their past. They know they're forgiven. But the ones who are on the fence that have not given their life holy to Jesus, they'll hide their past. they'll try to just say well maybe but i just thought i mean thank god i've been forgiven of them so what's what's what's the deal in this slipping them out of the table and hiding them just hey that's

that's the what forgiven is the word and you think about it it really is transformative because i saw it with you and mom when i came in with that letter from phyllis and you all read the letter and mom doesn't react negatively she doesn't get i mean like she just found out out there was a kid that sure is not hers. Yep. And yet because she forgave you 44 years ago, she's living that, still in that. I mean, whatever the news is, whatever happens that you didn't know about, if you're forgiven and feel forgiven, you can just keep rolling with it.

Sure. I mean, which you and I have talked about this a lot before, Dad. That's the problem with our country right now. There's no use in trying to hide your sin. That's right. And look. I mean, everybody has them. Whether it's a macro level, you know, like you're looking at the country or in your

Yeah, here's some of mine. What about you? And the ones who are open about it, they tend to be the ones who stick with Jesus. And are the least judgmental. Least judgmental. Because you can work with other people and know that anybody can be saved, anybody can be forgiven. I mean, any behavior can be modified, can be changed. I mean, it's just, you know, that's not. Ultimately, we know Jesus does that, but it's him, not necessarily the process.

but 2 Corinthians 710 really says what you're describing. Godly sorrow, being sorry, brings repentance. So changes. You're sorry, so you say, I've got to change my life. That leads to salvation, which we know is a relationship with Jesus. And this next part says, and leaves no regret. Yep. So it's what you're saying.

You're like, people who are forgiven seem to be transparent. Well, because they're not sitting around regretting because they were sorryful, which led them to make some good changes and experience salvation in Jesus. And they're like, you know what? It is what it is. And if you're still trying to hide them, you don't remember, you just have missed the point. He's ready to take them away. Right.

Why I hide them? Yeah. Because you regret it. That's right. Because you're like, and we get it. We all do. You can't go back and undo it. That's right.

Yeah, whatever your sins and whatever came out of it, you know, the ramifications of your sinful life. But it sure is a wonderful thing to know that it's in the rearview mirror. Especially like you talk about peace of mind. Let's take a break. Yeah, I see it when Lisa and I go and speak, because we've written about it in both our books. when she was 16, she had an abortion. You know, that was the part we weren't together. And she talks about it, and she talks about how the lies they told her at the abortion clinic.

But, you know, and her parents are the ones that kind of nudged her, I mean, to do it. Because they were like, well, you're 16, we can't raise this kid. I mean, it's not really a kid. They believed all the lies that people say. And so she goes and has an abortion. And she said, one of the things they told her is when you walk out of here, you don't ever have to think about this again. You live your life.

You know, you'll never think about this. And she says that was whatever, 38 years ago. She said, I think about it every day. It's the worst decision I ever made. Because now she said, I got grandkids. So not only did I kill my child, but I killed a whole generation of children. You know, you think about abortion doesn't just kill one. It kills the whole private.

So, but what she says is, but I live today without regret, even though I think about it. I wish I'd never done it. Godly sorrow. She said, and the only way I can live without regret and shame is because Jesus took it away. She said, which I really didn't realize until I was about 35, you know. So it's a great message because every audience we speak to, we're using in pro-life settings, and there are people there that have had the same thing. And so she's speaking, and I'm watching, it's just like you could drop a feather and hear it.

And I'm looking at faces of women, and I just watch them, and they'll drop their eyes, and they'll usually start tearing out. There's one there that probably never has dealt with it. has talked about it. Just a shame past, you know. And so it helps a lot of people, you know, brings a lot out. I mean, that's an amazing story.

The back end of that verse I read says, worldly sorrow brings death, which doesn't seem to fit. Because all of a sudden it's like, there's a process of salvation, and worldly sorrow just brings death. When you take Jesus out of the equation, godly sorrow, forgiveness,

what are you left with? bad choices and death the future of the future of America depends entirely on America's view of Jesus Christ I wrote down last night when I was just thinking

there I said it's a big event on how America views Jesus the future our future is on that point right there so we'll see awesome line I think it's really good and you know what we're about to probably in the next month

when we talked about yesterday with this justice, you know, and the judge, we're probably fixing to see that on display. That is correct. The vitriol versus the defenders of Jesus Christ. I have said many times when the Jesus rate is high, the crime rate is way low. When the crime rate's way high, the Jesus rate is almost non-existent. It's just like a, I mean, it's true. Did you know this past Saturday?

I don't know if you've seen it anywhere, that there were, I don't know, the picture looked like, I don't know, 100,000, but I don't know how many of you, it's hard to count those crowds. But Franklin Graham, I mean, all the guys we know, Robert Morris, Tony Perkins, and a lot of national spiritual leaders, they all descended on Washington with hundreds of thousands maybe, but a lot of Christians, and basically just prayed. They went up and all over that Washington mall, praying for our country, praying for repentance, praying for law enforcement, praying for government. I mean, it was just a moving thing. I watched it a lot of, I would have been there myself. I didn't have to preach here. It was actually the first piece for protest we've seen.

It's exactly right. I mean, nobody, there was no yelling or shouting. It was just people praying. And then they all gathered up at the end, sang some songs, you know, heard a couple of words from different guys. But I just thought, man, that's really the heart of the whole thing. I mean, that's how you would change everything that we're seeing, which has been terrible. Yeah.

You got some? Well, I was just going to say, I wasn't sure where we were going to go. But, you know, when you think about what Phil just said about what the country thinks of Jesus, and you talk about persecution for those who love Jesus, you know, at some point we're going to get into John 15 in detail. But, you know, he started off with this analogy of, I'm the true vine. father is the gardener, you know, you're the branches. And then he starts talking about love, which that was his number one weapon that he was conveying to them is love.

So he says this beautiful thing. He says, I don't call you service. I call you friends. Right. A friend lays down his life. But then he gets to basically what we're just discussing here is, I don't call you. hate in our world because there's so much of it and Jesus actually addresses it you know he says in verse 18 of john 15 if the world hates you keep in mind that it hated me first and the reason

i gave that little speech before i read this is because he just spent the whole time talking about i'm leaving you a legacy of love that that's how we operate we love each other if you belong to the world it would love you. So it implies, you know, if you don't, they're going to hate you. That's the implication there. They'll hurt you because they hate you. You know, you really got to think about that what the implications are. But if you belong to the world, it would love you as its own.

As it is, you don't belong to the world. But I've chosen you out of the world. That's why the world hates you. And so, you know, he goes on to say they persecuted me without reason. But I just think that's kind of what this is about. I mean, when you see death like we talked about and hate and regret and all these, and then here's Jesus coming with his number one weapon of love. But then he also, he didn't sugarcoat it.

If you take a stand with me, they're going to hate you. Yeah. They're going to hurt you. It is really true. Yeah, it's amazing. I see it all the inside. All the time. And the implication here, you're right, Jay's, is that you don't respond as they respond.

You don't battle hate for hate. Right. That's right. I mean, that won't work. I mean, that goes against the principle that's here. And also, you really shouldn't be, it shouldn't be a cozy enough relationship with worldliness that they love you if you're really being a Christian. That's right. They're not going to love you.

They're not. I mean, that's what he just said. Right. If it is possible as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. But he did, see, he got a little caveat there. Try your best, if it's possible. Right. To try to live at peace with them, even while they hate you.

Right. It's just difficult. Well, and he said that because he said in verse 25, he's like, they hate him me without reason. Yep. A lot of times you're just not, they don't even have a reason. That's right. which is hard for people to wrap their minds around. Well,

and it always seems so bizarre when someone is really that vitriolic towards you or, you know, you're just like, man, I mean, you know, it energizes people and you're like, why, why so mad? Why so angry? You know, why so bitter? These, these modern-day rioters

and looters and shooters and whatnot, if any one of us, walked out among them just held out of Bible. I'm telling that they would attack you. Oh, yeah. Well, I saw it a few times. Some guy rolled in there and he was going to preach him a little sermon up in Seattle, and they beat the fire out of it, you know, which is what happened a lot in the first century.

Which is Jason's point. Yeah. They hate you. They don't have a reason. They say, well, he's got a Bible in his hand. He's saying, why don't we love one another? And they're like, well, I just feel like everybody's trying to tiptoe. you know, you made that statement

what people think of Jesus but just making a statement like that is going to bring hate. Yeah. You did it. You declared, I think how we view Jesus, here's a perfect,

righteous, son of God that we put our faith in. Mistake-free. Yeah, but you're fixed to get some iron. And they're mad about it. It's just a strange. I guess. Why would they care?

I don't know. You would think they'd just say, well, that's what you believe, but no. So there has to be something else at work there, going back to the old Satan. There has to be something at work there. It's a deep thought. It goes deep. Let's take another break. So since you said that about mistake-free, before we get to John, there was a viewer, a listener that was a really interesting note he said.

He was talking to his neighbor and made the comment that Jesus is the only, one in history of humanity that led a perfect sin-free life. True. Which he was true. He was right. But the person he told that to said, no, he didn't, because he doubted God when he said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? So the guy, our listeners said, I didn't say anything. And the conversation went past because I had no answer for that. And so then he asked us, why did Jesus doubt? Or did he, you know, when he knew he didn't forsake him? And so I thought we might address that just because, like,

most people, you want to have as many answers as possible, you know, when you're talking to people. Well, I would just simply tell her. Was it her or him? Well, it's Jess from Colorado. I don't know if it's Jess. That may be male or female. Maybe, yeah. But whatever sex they are, the bottom line is, when Jesus, he's God in flesh, you say, God in flesh, he was made.

like his brothers in every way yet was without sin. Yep. So the point is... What is that at? That's, what is that? I'll find it. That's Hebrews, too. Yeah.

14 through 18. Yeah. So if you look at it like that, you say, well, his humanity, he's up there. He is strung up like an animal. I mean, thorns or jammed down in his head. he's been beaten to near death. They put spikes in his feet and his hand, and he's just hanging there.

That is one brutal way to die. God so loved the world. He sent his only begotten son. So God sent him, and the task is in order for the humanity on planet Earth to be saved, in order to make them make it possible for them to be with us

to be with us and get out of here alive the price to be paid is you my son and shedding blood for them right well so I just think at that moment when because if you look like what

John John said over here and like John 19 John had him say it is finished. Right. So the weight of it all on one individual, the sins of the world and the resurrection of them. History and future of the world.

And the resurrection of their dead bodies from the ground. This is a big event. And you just look, just think about it, if you were God and you never made a mistake. Right. And they have you strung up and have now murdered you. And just the weight of it all when he said, at that moment, I can see how his humanity would have cried out saying, man, are you sure they're worth it? Basically.

And it wasn't seen. You know, and his word, it is finished. John recorded him saying it's like, man. He had to be forsaken for us was one. But the other thing is about that since you brought that. He died all alone. So when his friends had left, nobody was there, so I could see why he would cry. Well, and you got to remember, this was a messianic prophecy.

I may be totally wrong on my time. No, I think you're right. But here's another reason why. When he said that, that's a prophecy from Psalm 22, 1 and 2. Yep. So originally David said it. If you go back and read Psalm 22, you see where David's mindset was when he's asking God that. But look, it's not a Psalm of doubt.

Trust me. He says it right off the bat, and then for the next. 25 verses, he talks about how great God is. David, I'm talking about it. Well, he's quoting David. So this is, you know, Jesus said a lot of things to fulfill prophecies that were about him. So part of it was just him fulfilling the prophecy. But the other part was what you said. I believe that fully true because you, Second Corinthians 521 says God made him who had no sin. Well, there's your answer. To be sin for us. Yeah, that's probably.

So that in him, we might become the action. That's part of you. Therein is the rub. But, and while ago, it was not Hebrews 2, it was Hebrews 2, it was Hebrews 4, where it says, we don't have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin. Yeah. And Peter quoted Isaiah when he said he committed no sin, no to see, was found his mouth when the herald there insults up. That's 1st Peter 2, 21.

First Peter 2. But here's my point. Most religious people, they're going to go to those verses that clearly says he didn't commit sin, which is what we just did, and say, well, how can you say that that was because you're basically going against spirit-led writings that says he didn't sin. But what I want to say is here's the problem more than that. It's not just showing you a verse and say, okay, you're wrong or you're right. What you're missing is the nature of God.

If God is guilty of anything, this won't work. The whole thing collapses. That is correct. Because if you just meditate on that, you're going to find a lot of scenarios all bad where this will all crumble. So I'm not sure why you would immediately go to, here's the Son of God, Jesus and the son of man, Jesus. So men have weaknesses.

Men, we have, you know, emotions, and, you know, Jesus is crying, and he's doing these things that we are uncomfortable thinking, well, that's God doing that. But it's a reflection of his soul, which is compassion, mercy, care, forgiveness, but somewhere in there is innocence. and that has to be a bedrock to the personal trait of God. I could give you 10 reasons why that has to be. I mean, mainly, you can't have a million years from now, or 10 million, or pick a number.

And then all of a sudden, if God was capable of sin, he changes his mind, it all goes off a cliff, you know, I don't love you anymore. It just won't work. That's what I wanted to say. You can show the verses where it says that, but the implication of God's character is the bigger picture. So we know that that was him being tempted in every way, yet was without sin. Just think of the weight of it all.

Since we, you see it just the right time, this is Romans 5. I was just going there. That's so funny. At the right time, we're on the same wavelength. I was literally going to that verse. When we were still powerless, we couldn't save herself, all of us, there is no human being going to be saved before that final death of Jesus on the crop. Christ died for the ungodly, while we were still powerless. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, although for a good man someone might possibly dare to die.

but God demonstrates his own love for us in this while we were still sinners Christ died for us since we've been justified by his blood how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him that final right before he uttered it is finished why have you forsaken me I mean the weight of it all was upon him that's right let's take another break I wanted to zero in on that dad that was one of that same verse at just the right time. Yeah. Which is interesting.

You think, what does that mean? I mean, God, outside of time and space, remember, because before the creation of the world, the plan in Christ was hatched by the divine by God. Yep. But he picked the time he picked to come here. And there's more to it. Like, that's not just happenstance. Like, he could have come anytime.

I mean, he could have come a thousand years earlier. He could be here today. hey, he could have picked any time he chose that time. He could have moved earlier and not near as many would have been cast into hell. That's right. It could move quicker. So that was just the right time. But I find it interesting that the time he decided to come here and do what he did to give his life was probably, I mean, a crucifixion is probably the most brutal thing ever invented to excuse.

I mean, there's a lot of been a lot of bad ways. But I mean, it's as bad as any, my part. But it thought he was innocent. That's right. You know, I mean, we're going to crucify a capital. punishment just because he's threatened and we don't know what to do it unless he's kill him which is what i we talked about earlier worldly sorrow brings brings death i mean they're sorry that he's called such a ruckus so what happened well just kill him it's all it was always the move

and just like when you talked about lisa you make a mistake you're like what do i do i have a child now instead of choosing life the worldly sorrow produces death let's just leave it leave it right here that's why in that verse

where he said he demonstrates that while you know we're ungodly you know he died but and I've heard all these people in a marriage situation say you know they'll say things like you know I'll die for you

and you're like but you're not living you're not living for them it's like the world makes these kind of statements you know like we have pets i mean i'm not dying from my dogs now my wife and kids i'm trying to get to heaven i'd i'd step out there and say okay if this is what it what it takes because it all goes back to that that sermon in john 15 he was sharing with his friends i love you no greater love as anyone that he lay down his life for his friends that's what you're saying i'm calling you friends of course you know they

He did it so they would look back and believe. That's right. Oh, I get it. I always give them a hard time because they seem to be so clueless in the moment, the disciples I'm talking about. But, I mean, in their defense... We had been clueless out. Well, that's right. Because, you know, you've been a part of big things.

I mean, we had a show on television. I mean, everybody's talking about it. You're kind of just caught up in it because you're doing it. But you look back and you kind of are able to see things. And I kind of feel like this with them. They're a part of this huge thing. that's the biggest event in the history or future of the world. I mean, he's fair to that weekend that he died on the cross

was put in the tomb and then raised up. That's the biggest thing that's ever happened or ever will happen. That is why I said the future of America rest on that. An acknowledgment of it or a renunciation of it. From their perspective, think about how many since the dawn of time. How many people have got together in small groups throughout the history of the world in the name of religion or whatever. And some guys like,

I have this anointing from heaven and y'all follow me. Think how many times that happened where it ended bad. Oh. A lot. Yeah. Drink this Kool-Aid.

It's great. Jim Jones, Branch Davidians. Yeah, there's been a... But from the outside looking in, most people, that's how they're viewing Jesus. They're like, oh, yeah. No, we've seen how that works. that's why him being innocent is a necessity that's right there was no having sex with some you know

somebody on the side or there was no sinister which most of these situations i guess all of them except jesus there there is always something funky going on because once you get your you know your eyes off jesus and all of a sudden you're the anointed one well i know that's a lie and so i think even by this question, if you, I mean, I don't want to judge the situation because I appreciate the question, but if you can make Jesus sinful, well, then we're all just screwed. You say, then I don't have to do anything. He messed up. Yeah, if you could throw that out there, that's why if it were me and that came up, no, I'm going to

defend that. I'm going to defend the innocence of Jesus. I said one time, they're only two innocent. people I know are babies in Jesus. I will defend them to the death. This person who wrote that labeled what he asked, Why Have You Forsaken Me as Doubt. But Jesus didn't say anything about doubting. He didn't use that phrase.

They did. Well, it was the neighbor, right, right. Well, because they're insinuated. The neighbor interjected doubt. Right. And then, look, by the way. Why have you forsaken me? God's answer is for the sins of the world.

The resurrection of dead being. Okay. You see what I'm doing? Here's another reputation. The sins of the world are writing on this, and it's all coming down on you. Well, here's another thing. Doubt is not sin.

I've never read the word doubt is sin. It's not in the Bible. It's got like anger, you know. If doubt was a sin, the disciples are the biggest sinners ever. You know, and us, too. I mean, you know. But we're like straining, you know,

It's like once you get down this in detail, you're kind of missing the point. We know he can't sin. But I tell you, even a bigger picture of his humanity that touches me. I mean, that was one right there. You were right now in the moment of taking all the sin of every person that's ever lived or will. The biggest event of all times. So that's enough to say what he said. But not only that.

Especially knowing three days. days later, he's standing there. I said, well, go give me some fish. I mean, the same one who said, well, hey, he ran, you know, he doubted God. He didn't know. He's, go give me some fish here. He's been resurrected from the thing. He knew all that.

He told him, I'm going to die. And I'm going to be buried. In three days, I'm going to be raised from the dead. But he, that's right. I mean, it wasn't like he didn't know what was going on. But his humanity at the moment. But he wouldn't be us. Jay said it right.

He wouldn't be us without feeling as a human does. The night before he died in the garden, to me, is one of the most touching scenes in this whole thing with Jesus. I mean, you remember he's bleeding, literally drops of his sweating and this drops of blood. I mean, like, he is so intense because he knows about what he's fixing the face. And he even has that conversation with the Almighty's like, you know, I mean...

Why have you forsaken me? We said we were going to do it. Are we really going to do it? I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but that's what you've forsaken me. The answer is so that millions will have immortality like us. Well, I think he has the same part. I didn't get this idea about getting my family to heaven. It wasn't my idea.

I mean, this came from God. God wants his family in heaven. Plus, it's not like right at the very end. Jesus is going to skip out on us. He's been nailed to a cross. I mean, if he had wanted to, oh, he could have obliterated the entire, this half of the cosmos with Earth in it and said,

no, I've changed my mind. Before I'll let y'all name up on the cross. I think I'm just going to kill every last one of you. Well, that would be worldly sorrow that led to death. That's right. That's my point. But godly sorrow. So he said, well, yeah, he kind of ran out,

or doubting up there on the cross. you said, no, I don't think so. No, he wasn't doubt. Look, just like he could have radiated the whole bunch and not let him touch it. Well, there's a verse that says he could call a legion of angels. Oh, right. It would have only taken one. Well, right.

He could have just snapped his fingers. He controls the out of his molecules. But look, John 11, I mean, we went through this whole thing. Why in the world? And I know we spent time on it. But I think it's the perfect analogy for what happened here. Why is he crying? Why is he weeping with the women about Lazarus being dead when he knows that he's

fixed to bring him back from the dead? Same time. Now that, to me, if you want a controversial question, that's a way bigger one than him saying, my God, my God, why have you for saying me? Why was this the plan that I had to be, lose my place in heaven, become a stinky man and lower than the angels. Yeah, and then give up all my, you know, powers and play the little human game, you know, build some houses.

Work as a carpenter for 30 years. Drink water. You don't think about, you know. Let's take one last break. You're right. Look, Des, I was in the same thing. And I thought, you know, not only did he weep, then the next verse is when he goes to raise him up,

he was moved deeply. Yeah. Which was really interesting because, like, you said, you'd think he'd have been like, if it had been one of us, we'd have been like, ha, just, you know, flippant. We'd have been like, hey, you want to see something? But he wasn't. He was in the moment of the sorrow. You know what I think, too, is why he, it's awesome, too.

I mean, I think not all the tears are just, yes, it's sad, but it's also joy and amazement. That's why he breathes five, I believe, says, you know, with loud cries and tears, and he called out to God. I mean, it's, I like a God who understands things that are awesome. Well, it's like me, and I feel like it's like when I was able, had the honor of being able to speak at people that mentored us at their funerals, Bill Smith, Carl Allison, Alton Howard, all these people that meant so much to us. You know, I cried at every funeral, and I was speaking, but I didn't cry because of sorrow, world of sorrow. I cried because they had had a huge

impact on my life. And like, they had taught me the gospel. They had taught me how to teach. They had taught me how to preach. And so those are tears of joy, really. You know, and I feel like that's the way it was with him. I think he was moved because of relationship. And he knew what a big deal this was going to be, you know.

And then it was interesting. We talked about when we did that text that, you know, then they wanted to re-kill Lazarus. That was their plan. Oh, I know. I've read that many times and thought, I mean, what that's stupid, plan.

That's your human plan. The guy, and everybody, I mean, it was kind of undeniable. Four days, there's an odor. Now he's back. Now we're having a... And Mary's like, I mean, now Martha was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, do we really want to roll that stone away? She had just said, you can do anything, I believe it.

And then when they started to move the stone, she said, no, we should, were we sure about this? Because it's been four days. It's been four days. This is not going to be pretty, you know? Well, then I think that we did when you were gone. It's like, then they had a dinner in his name. Yeah.

I'm at the point. I was like, dude, hadn't eaten him four days. He's been dead, which is kind of funny. I said it was a walking dead party. You know, it was like, we got this guy that's come back. And so they're like, okay, let's see how we can really kill him. What? When we've gotten into now, oh, you must have to sever his head. See, that's where all these movies got it. Oh, we didn't sever the head. That's the only way we can make sure. I'm telling you, that's where all this stuff spawns from.

I agree 100%. And to wrap up, we've got a few minutes left. This question about Jesus' perfection. You think about it, that was another problem for the Jewish leadership. Because, you know, they could stone people for certain things. Remember, they tried to do it to the woman, you know, in John 8. But see, Jesus was a bone to be chewed. They wanted to kill him, but how are we going to do it?

Because we can't pin anything on him. See what I'm saying? Remember, they kept wanting to pick up stones, and he'd slip away, do this little Jedi. He'd just, you know, he'd be gone. They wanted to stone him. They were angry about to do it. But then the leadership kept saying, well, how are we going to do this? I mean, the people seem to love him.

So the whole thing back and forth is how do we kill him? The human race has been guilty of hating without a reason. That's right. Ever since the human race has been here. That's exactly right. There's hatred. And they don't have a reason to hate. but they still hate.

You know, that's why it's on par with murder. An obscure verse in John 846, Jesus said something that no other living adult in the history of mankind could say. He asked this question, can any of you prove me guilty of sin? Yeah, that's a question. Nobody else can say that.

Nope. Because, you know, yeah. Yeah. But just, I think there's little obscure verses like that where he makes a statement like that that sheds light on this question. Right. You don't make that statement if you're going to sin, if you have sin. That's right.

It's just, what do you make of that statement is my point? Why is he saying that? And remember throughout all of Jewish history, the metaphor is the perfect, sacrifice is the perfect man because the whole thing happened about sacrifice for sin and the blood of bulls and goats he rushed in none of this would work the animals were slaughtered for 1500 years 100 years well that's how most sins removed no sins removed that's how most people in the religious world kind of address it but it does lack the what we've talked about is the emotion and the character of god which i think combined right with the evidence

the historical shadow of the lamb and what that represented. I mean, it all came together. It wasn't just some map that he was trying to talk about in history with the chosen nation. You know, he wanted to live with people. That's where it all comes down to. He had a country where the country had a family, a chosen people, family. It is. It has friends.

I mean, it is the greatest story ever talked about. It's awesome. I mean, it just is. I did, I preached this last Sunday. My sermon was called The Greatest Show on Earth. And I kind of went off like, it was a weird sermon because it was kind of a, the whole sermon was a metaphor about how, you know, the circus was around for 146 years. I didn't know that.

And they called themselves the greatest show on Earth. And, you know, you've got a show that runs 146 years. It's a pretty great show. Pretty good show. Barnum and Bailey. They just ended in 2017. Started in 1871. But I said, that wasn't the greatest show on earth.

And then I went, thank you. I went when he went into Jerusalem in John 12, and I said, now this was the greatest show on earth. Because it was everything that up to that point, and it was everything that goes forward. It all was in that moment. And it started that week when he went into Jerusalem. And that was my sermon.

Yeah. The world always wants to market qualities that only God possess. I keep asking for a better story. I ask him Sunday morning, and do you have a better story than this one? I said, if you do, I said, stand up and tell us about it. Tell us your story. If it tops this one, nobody ever moves.

They just kind of like, well, let's see if I can come up for something that maybe, no. And I bet you they never will. I bet you'll never have a taker. I've asked a many audience, what is your story? I like it. After hearing this one, and they're all like, that atheist guy I talked to or one of them, podcast, what is some kind of deal. I was talking with him. I asked him, I said,

he was saying, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm hoping, you know, maybe if there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I'll see it coming when I get there. You know, I said, well, you need to move now before you get to the tunnel part. I said, my recommendation with you is to move now. Don't wait till you're in the tunnel,

look and see whether the light is coming up. But anyway, I said, by the way, I said, do you have a better, story and he said he thought to him in it he said i don't know whether i'm an atheist or an agnostic he said but i don't have a better story i'm just going to tell you i said the point of today i said i don't eat it that's why i'm hung up here if you're in the tunnel it's too late it's too late so thank you jess from colorad now you got some ammo to talk to that neighbor thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube

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