Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 16 | Phil & Jase Debate: What Makes a Good Labrador Retriever?

Episode Date: August 11, 2019

Jase gets a new duck-hunting dog … for free? Phil wants to know what the catch is. Al brings it around to a discussion of worship. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? Breaking news on the river I feel like this is now the place where I can reveal this So at least I have somewhat of a control setting This is like your confessional

You're play You know Here's You remember, you know, we got an issue I mean it's it's August now so we're looking toward duck season here you got the whole

planet the river finally fell so there's a little bit of hope here you know we had a nine month flood but our biggest issue in the duck hunting world is your dog who is the greatest dog in the world that I've seen greatest retriever ever

except ranks at the top that he winds consistently and it's maddening when you hunt with that dog for 60 days because he's and it never stops. Would you agree with that? He wants to be great.

He is great, but he has a hard time just sitting there and waiting. He wants to go, go, go all the time and he whines when he can't. So it's nothing personal, but I mean, we've moved past the denial of which some people were experiencing

that this was a problem. He is the Johnny Ringo of the Tombstone movie. That poor soul, he's just too high strong. He's the canine version of Johnny Ringo. So dad dealt with it by turning his hearing aids off. Yeah. Is how he dealt with it.

But the rest of us don't have heroin. He's the greatest dog ever. Is that a dog or what? I'm like, yep, but he won't stop winding. And it's loud. I mean, it's louder than you think. With the old you each can't hear, whatever. So last year I tried an experiment, I paid an obscene amount of

money for the greatest dog I could fine and he was an okay dog wasn't as good as the one we had but his problem was he had some kind of condition and he goes blind and i i was like what was wrong with this dog you didn't see yeah couldn't see i never heard that i mean i knew something was wrong with him we were hunting i never heard it need to be able to see to be a good well yeah okay it's a little thing so anyway but i found a great home for him young guy who wants to rice field because out there it's it's open because the dog loves so huh so now the breaking announcement is I now have a new dog.

I've had him one week. He's called Biggin. Biggin. B-I-G-N. And look, here's the funny part. B-I-G-I-N. No, just B-I-G-N. Biggin.

You just got to say it. Biggin. Yeah, there you go. And the E-N, it's got a little mark over. A little squint. You can put a mark over it if you want. Biggin. So here's the funny part.

I got it. The guy who brokered the deal, y'all know him, Bedia E. Phillips, aka Red Dog. He used to be on documentary videos or whatever. That was one of the boys that got caught up in the controversy, and I tore his tail up at about 15. That's him. Yep, that's him.

And he stayed around. Yeah. No, I think that y'all were like 18, huh? He was 18. Someone said he was smart enough when he heard that I was thinking to whip the whole bunch young teenage boys drinking a little few beers and I didn't like it so I went down there and said if I quit getting drunk y'all are too so get back over the car yeah someone said that he slick me I found about

it found out about years later that he had eased a magazine between his pants and his underwear yeah he got that magazine down and there where the where the where the licks would not be as painful he's the he's one of those guys where you know he was repulsive and obnoxious at that age and he really never got out of it. But if he hadn't come to Jesus, I mean, he would just be one of the most miserable people because he's hard to get along with in Jesus. You know, he's very...

I consider him a good solid brother. Oh, he is. He's a good guy. But here's what happened. He brokered this deal because that's what he's doing. He's living in Arkansas now. But he felt bad because the guy where I paid the money for this lab that went blind, he was like, if that dog, if something happens,

like the dog going blind. I will replace the dog because I paid a lot of money for it. That was nice having. Well, he didn't do it. Well, that wasn't too nice. No. So, W. It happens.

Yeah, I got slicked on that. So W.E. starts feeling guilty. So he's looking for me another dog. Surely he didn't reach into his pocket. That's not a W.E. Move. Let's don't get crazy.

He'll never do that. There's nothing in the pocket. That's what I thought. So look, so he calls me up and says, I got this dog that. this guy wants to give for free. He told me that at the end. He's like, I found you a dog.

It's a yellow lab. His name is Biggin. Nothing that little black spray paint can't cure. Poor daylight. I mean, I think it looks like grass. You know what I mean? In the setting. You know, you've seen that yellow grass.

We can die him if he stands out too much. If he stands out too much, we'll die. I don't mean kill him, ladies and gentlemen. I mean literally dye him a different color. Because it's more important in a duck hunting situation to be camouflaged. So let me get to the point. So this guy from Alabama, of course, I was wondering what is wrong with this dog? Because Debbie is like, oh, this dog is fantastic.

He's three years old, you know. So I'm like. Has he hunted, didn't he? He's never duck hunting. He's only dove hunted. But they want to get rid of him. Well, yeah, for free. So the guy comes over from Alabama.

I can tell you a little bit suspicious of this. Yeah, well, this is a strange story. That's why I'm sharing it. I'm seeing what America thinks about it. So he comes over, guy from Alabama couldn't be nicer. Here's Biggin. When he said his name is Biggin, I look, and I said, well, this is the smallest lab dog I've ever seen. What could be big about him?

Well, he said, but when he was born, he was the biggest puppy of the litter. So he named him Biggin. But he just didn't get big. He never got big. But he has a big heart, maybe. Female or male? Male. Well, here's the problem.

So he said, well, I know you're wondering what the catch is. So we go down in the fun, I watch this dog work. That's what I'm wondering right now. Yeah, I watched him work, and I thought, what could possibly be wrong with this dog? He's awesome. Good on dummies. Great on dummies.

And so he said, Unproven on ducks, but good on dummies. He said, here's this dog's problem. Because I looked, and I was like, what are all these stitches and staples about? Half his hair was gone on all sides. He looked like he had been split apart. and then put back together via sutures and staples.

I was like, did he get run over? That's what I thought. He said, here's the catch. This dog, if he sees another male dog, he's going to fight him. He said, and the problem is he's always going to be the smallest dog in the fight. Because look at him. So he said, what you're seeing? This guy runs a dog, he's like, but this dog literally attacks all male dogs,

and he gets whoops. So now we have the status report. One dog is the greatest of all time, but he whines. Yep. The replacement animal is a dog. We don't know yet whether he retrieve a duck or not, but he wants to fight every dog he sees. Yeah.

I'm just looking at it whiner or you want to fight it out for daylight. I like the fighter. Well, we're not around a lot of male dogs, so. Well, right. Now, the only problem is, yeah, we'll have to get. keep your dog and this dog apart. They will never be able to simulcast in the duck blind. That won't work.

So the assessment from observing Biggin is that he does not make friends easily. He has no friends. Yeah. He doesn't even like humans. They do share that your dog and my dog have that in common. The first time he saw me, he went, because he knew what was in your heart. You didn't like him because he was whining.

That's why he never did like you. That's why sigh didn't like sigh. No, he lifted. Si would turn his head like this to look for a duck, and Blue would see him, he'd go over and pee on his boots. He'd pee on him. He was saying basically piss on you, because he didn't like you. Yeah.

But my problem is, you're ragging my dog's name, and your dog's name is blue, and he's black. Came from the, there were three male dogs. One had a fluorescent green collar, one had a white collar, and one had a blue collar. they were all the same age and they were all three males they were identical black labs so the guy that owned them put a different collar on each one of them so he could know which totally tell them apart and that's where it all went wrong and he went put them through the rate through the routine and I'm watching them and he said which one do you

want and blue had the most drive yeah to this day oh he's got plenty of drive and I said I'll take the blue call when he seems the one that has more the drive. I didn't realize it had been very difficult in the future to keep him seated there without nervous energy. It's impossible. He's not, it's in his DNA. So anyway. But he does have gray beard now.

He's six years old. Well, can we rest him and try my dog this year? That's all I want to do. But you got to realize my dog has never been duck hunting. So there will be a learning curve. Yep. But he has the drive. When I, when it's time to retrieve.

Is it possible? that if we worked them if they could get along enough feel they're not I just told you he has a problem I'm just saying if he watched another lab retrieving ducks he may say all right I get it no he will die for trying to prevent that from happening we're going to that's why I got him this dog does not work well with others there had to be a catch you're going way out on a limb let's go with the dog that's never retrieved we have the one of the greatest retrievers of all times. You know, he goes out, if there's teal, small ducks, he'll gather up three, four.

Doesn't matter. But then he winds in between retreats. I can't handle it. It's literally driving me crazy. You could do that. We could try you, dog, old biggin, but just remember, I have blue. I want some of his offspring, so they're bringing down this month, a female when she gets in heat.

And I want a puppy off of there because I said, get a little low-key. female that's a good retriever and the guy says great great little retriever John Gimber he's got a dog she's no whining she's very obedient quiet meek I said maybe we cut that bloodline a little bit and maybe we'll get a puppy out I'm going to try that that's fine long term but short term let's try this yellow lab and and have some silence and we can try it in between retreats we can try it okay so maybe our audience needs to give us some feedback on whether you would have a whiny great retriever or a anti-dog unproven retriever

who is little in spite of his name. Yeah. That doesn't impress you that this dog is small and is whipping or trying to. All other dogs. Well, if we were in the dog fighting, like some of them, like, who was the quarterback that got fired? We're not into that. Yeah. But I've got this dog. I don't like, I don't like fighting dogs. I like dogs and go get the ducks and bring them back. Well, I'm thinking...

Tree of squirrel. That's good dog. I think this dog, you know, has the perfect home. There's no dogs around at my house, except Little Hazel. And he doesn't seem to mind her, so we're all right. So did he charge you anything for this animal? Zero. That's what I thought.

He said the only catch you is he... Three years and I'm giving him to you, this dog has a problem that we fights with everything, but we don't know whether he retrieve a duck or not. That's not a whole lot to go on, Jason. I'll tell you. I agree, but it's... It calls zero, and he said this. How many days do we have to try him?

What do you think? He's never duck hunted. I think we need to try him the whole season. I mean, let's give him three weeks. But the progress report as we go forward, what kind of progress report, day one, day two, day three, after TLC, 16 days, 16 days. How many days put up with him 16 days? You know, you're not a shooting TIL half the time. Well, but if you do, look, I'm telling you, I feel way better.

Who's going to get the duck? if this dog doesn't bring them back. Who's going to volunteer to go out there in the muck and bring them back? Okay. All right. I always said a young man was better than a dog. Well, right. You can say, he's over on the right.

And a young man to say, okay, they walk over and get him. A dog, blow the whistle, points your hand. Sometimes you, you see what I'm saying? Blue trusts me, implicitly trust me. When I say, I move my hand, Blue knows, oh, there's a duck there. And he's saying he's over there. line and he trusts me. This job works great off the whistle all that. You by the way stop. Go over the left, but it is a dummy, you know what I mean? So we'll see. We'll see.

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and he said, stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there, because, you know, he was going to sacrifice him. That's what God had told him to do. Was this where the talking donkey was? No, no, that's later. That's bailing. Which is an incredible story. Yeah.

We need to do a whole thing on that one. Yeah. Here's what he said. When people doubt God, if you can get a donkey to start talking, we must do anything you want to do. So I just love this. Can you imagine a talk,

like if you had a donkey and it just started talking? And look, in Hollywood took that, you know, that's where they got the idea. And now all animals talk on all these movies. You know what I mean? Well, Shrek has the talking donkey. And I'm like, this was, yeah,

this was God's idea. You don't realize how many principles come from the Bible. You know what I mean? You got a talking donkey. keep. You know, they're doing that, what, 7,000 years ago? By the way, since you're there,

what are the odds that some department in saltwater, because the evolutionists would say saltwater made dogs and humans and elephants and everything else, what department in saltwater said, let's make some that really

excel in retrieving birds. Let's make some like that. Let's make some that are great, at herding sheep. Let's make some that will tackle hogs. That point it, point birds out. So you have all these dogs,

but they have all these skill sets. What department in saltwater decided, let's give this particular brand of dog, this skill set, let's give this one this skill set. If you just add it up, you say, you know, that's pretty amazing that you have all these dogs, animals, that have a skill set,

and I mean, it's zoned in on that. I mean, blue is a bird retrieving dog. Oh, it's in his DNA. What department in salt water? So let's just do this in the algae. It just said, let's. And only that, the thing about this, you go back in time, not very long ago,

two or three, 400 years ago and back. You depend on, they were dependent on these, animals to help get food to eat. Oh, yeah. And it's not like now you're thinking, well, my puppy, I don't have to, I just go to the store. What happened if you had to get all your own game? And those guys, look, they got birds. These, you know, they train these falcons.

They go in, they catch a, you know, get the rabbit, bring it back. I mean, there was all sorts of hunting animals. They were naturally in them. But they assisted humanity, which is pretty much. That's why I say as an outdoors person, the more you get into the details, I just don't see how people come to that. It seemed like you would have to be insane to say that it just randomly happened. And then through natural processes, you got what you have now, which all stop somewhere

because you're not seeing the process anymore. They're like, well, you've got to look at it for millions of years. But you would think you would just have stuff popping up. 90% of the creatures on the planet, we haven't even discovered. You know, when you get down to this. It's just insane to me to say, that something wasn't behind it? Blue runs out there in the brush,

raises his head up, cuts a hard right, and runs for 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards, thick brush, butting willows, tall grass. You couldn't even get through it. He raises his head up and he tucks out.

We saw that duck swim that way, so I point over there. The duck is fully alive, just crippled, can't fly, but is going through the, brush and you look out there and you give him about five, ten minutes and you look coming out the brush, Blue's got this duck seal alive.

With his head's sticking up. Well, he uses that note. He takes the training. Unbelievable. And just what's in his DNA. His own DNA. For lack of a, you know. That's right.

That's what it is. That's correct. But then he uses that nose because you, like, that's a detail you don't think about. If you're going to be a great retrieving dog, if you're going to design something. Have to have that good nose. Which is an intelligent design. Because you look at that dog, well, he's got to have a spectacular nose. And that's what he does.

They use that note. I noticed that this new dog I got, I mean, that nose is to the ground. You know what I mean? So once you get a duck in his nose and he's like, this is what I'm after. I think it's just giving too much credence to salt water. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, salt water's what they're into now.

I mean, it was, I mean, it was the gaseous mist, the big punch that hit the of whatever, you know, I mean, you read all that stuff and you think, where's the intelligence? Right. That's what I'm after. All right. Back to the Abraham story, Al. All right.

So Abraham says, we will worship, talking about him and the boy, and then we will come back. So we talked about last time how he was basically reasoning to the resurrections with Hebrew writer said. In other words, he was going to kill him, and he just reasoned that God would raise him up. but what was interesting to me, and this is what I wanted to bounce off y'all, is that this is the first time the word worship appears in the Bible is here. And it was really interesting that what was about to take place, that was the word he used with this sacrifice.

Think about that. And so it got me thinking about this concept of worship. Because if I said worship, I just threw that word out and people are watching and listening. And if we say worship in 2019, I mean, what's your typical, what's the first thing you typically think of? You know, singing, you know, praising God at church or, you know, I mean, think about worship. But the Bible has a much broader view of this concept. And that's what I want to talk about a little bit today is the idea that it's really bigger. People have it just kind of contained to a 20 minute, 15 or 20 minute segment.

And there's no gathering here and there's no pomp, there's no ceremony. It's just a little glimpse of one little period of time to where worship is inserted. It has nothing to do with a congregational meeting, singing, it has nothing to do with it. In fact, in this case, it's an event in his life and who he is. In fact, in this case, it was going to be a very gruesome thing that was going to happen. Now, the idea of sacrifice, of course, comes from, we saw. all that way back at the very beginning with, you know, with Kane and Abel and Noah. So there's the idea of the sacrifice was giving God the glory.

Well, that becomes kind of the concept of what we talk about with worship. But I thought at any time. And any time. It's really an incredible, fascinating point that worship was introduced right here in this setting. Because you're basically, he gives him the plan. All nations are going to be blessed through your offspring. Now, take your offspring and sacrifice. You know what's weird, Al?

But he used the word worship because I think in that moment he was saying, what is worship? It's that you're God and we're not. Yeah. And look, think about it. Therefore, Romans 12, the section, the chapter on worship.

Therefore, in view of God's mercy, Abraham had it. In view of God's mercy, you want me to do what? So he said, we're going to go over here and worship. In view of God's mercy, he said, offer your bodies, it is pretty amazing, as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. He brings that same concept up all those thousands of years later.

You're like, hmm. Exactly. Sacrifice comes with worship. Well, this is the epitome of it literally. That's right. And Dad's referring to Romans 12, 1 and 2, because he says right after that, this is your true and proper worship. So that same concept that was introduced way back there with Abraham, and you're right, it's the idea of saying, God is God, I'm not, and therefore my entire life.

And a certain amount of suffering is intended here may be required of you as you worship. Here's a guy, he's using the word worship, and they're up on a mountain, just his family, in a difficult situation, not knowing exactly how this was going to turn out. I mean, I absolutely love this. I think this is in contrast to what happened at the Tower of Babel, which was God told them, I'm God, you're not, go scatter and fill the earth. Let's fill this thing up and multiply.

You would have seemed like they would have been jumping up and down about that. But they said, nope, we're going to stay right here, build a tower to the heavens. And the key phrase there, in contrast to this, is make a name for ourselves. That's right. So my point is when you fast forward now thousands of years later to churches, I think you have the same problem going on from Genesis 11 to Genesis 22.

You have people who take church buildings and they can find their worship there, which is in some cases not really worship. It's just a ritual or ritual routine. but you don't have that worship taking place out in the real world. It's all structured. It's structured, and they're trying to make a name for themselves, whatever denomination, whatever sign. And I really think it's the same concept that you see here at the beginning of

time, our time, from a Genesis standpoint, happening in our churches today. Well, I just jot it down here and y'all elaborate on this, and you guys are pretty sharp. I can't happen if I did sire you. Is that like a backhanded compliment to yourself? What is better than last time? I wrote down this. Her teleth just didn't pass through the genetics. I wrote down this question in view of Abraham and worship.

Will, at any given time, will your faith prevail at any time? But if you read Romans 12, you know, you say, hmm, all the time you have to be ready for that moment when it's time to worship God, asking yourself a question, I'm calling on my faith. Will my faith prevail? And Abraham, no wonder he's called the Father of our faith because just view what was before him. Wait right here. We're going to go over here and we're going to worship, but we'll be back. You're like, hmm. He knowing he was told to kill him.

Well, let me, here's another one to blow you. Do sacrifice him. Here's another one that blow your mind. So we know in Job, the book of Job, there's a conversation going on in the heavens between the evil one and the Almighty about Job. So by the way, I mean, that's recorded to know. So there are conversations that happen in the heavenly realms. And any of us could be the next show.

It could be concerning us. That's right. Yeah. So the Almighty allows the evil one to attack Job. He said, just don't kill him. Joe gets the word. He lost all of his stuff, his animals back in that day. That was your wealth.

Family? And then he lost all of his kids in a terrible accident. And you know what? The ones you love the most. This will blow your mind. You know how he reacted? He tore his robes, which in that day was grief, just grief-stricken, which we all can understand.

He falls on his face, and Job 1 says, the Bible says, he worshiped God. Now, he worshiped God when he received the worst. And that just came down. That's exactly right. Which, of course, proved God's point that he was a trustworthy man. He knew his heart. And the even one said, oh, that's just because you blessed him. You're giving him all this stuff.

So the Almighty said, all right, take it away. And let's see how he reacts. That's why to our listeners, y'all don't need to forget this. There's a lot of ups and downs in life. Just remember, be ready at any given moment to call on your faith will your faith prevail because you're looking at a situation that's not good and suffering is involved what are you going to do well here's abraham and joe of old the epitome of faith you're like the hall of faith here they are right this is the way they operated right it's worthy of note

it is i like act 17 you know we i know we i know we all love this chapter because when we're studying with people who don't know Jesus. This is a, or, or who don't believe in God. This is a good place to go because Paul, he run up on a group of people in Acts 1723, he said, I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship. And these were great thinkers, best minds of the day. That's right. But they, these people had created these things and these places where they were going

to worship. And so he gives an explanation. he says, I even found an altar with this inscription to an unknown God. So they were just worshipping something unknown as a symbolic. Make sure they cover it. And he said, now what you worship as something unknown, I'm going to explain to you. And so then he has this nicely packed sermon

that basically answers life's three questions. on where did humans come from, what are we supposed to be doing here on the planet, and how are we exiting the planet, you know? But one statement he makes in there, I think, because he was in the context of worship, where, what, and how, and who. Right.

He says, the God who made the world and everything in it is Lord of Heaven and Earth, and he does not live in temples built by hands, which flies in the face to everything that we, as a culture, think about worship. We think you go to church, you go to the church building or temple to do what. And we're going to meet today in the sanctuary.

Yeah, they call it the sanctuary. And the hallowed ground is where the preacher is standing down there. And he's always up higher than you. By the way, by the way, when I'm giving my lessons at the local church here, I'm up there, you know, you say, why do you go up and you sit down? at a little table with your Bible. You're not standing there because I don't want them to get the idea I'm preaching down to them.

I'm over them. I just say, I just sit and I give them the lesson, but I just want them to know, look, they're not paying me anything. I said, so I'm not doing it to get your money. I'm here free of charge, but I'm with you. You're the brothers, the sons and daughters of God here. I'm one of you. I love you.

I hope you'll have me, and I'll give you some scriptures here. But the point is, these people and y'all, I know y'all from me, because your parents were raised in a church, you know, your history came from where there's churches that had the opinion. It's more important of how that goes. Yep. During what happens. Yeah, at that hour, how you worship than anything else.

We need to correct that. if we can. We're trying to here today. It makes people, what happens they get in the routine, the habit, and the tradition of it, and I think they take the Bible and kind of try to justify what they're doing because of some of the problems that happen in the letters to the churches. But no matter what they do,

how do they stack up with that verse I just read? God does not live in a building. He's not worried about this place. You remember what he told the woman at the well in John 4? He said, you know, he challenged her life, which same concept is what we're talking about, Abraham. He's out there making a life decision. The Samaritan for worshiped, it wasn't Jerusalem, that name of that mountain.

And you Jews worship in Jerusalem, you know, she was like, where did I go? Well, yeah, but what happened was he challenged her life. You know, he's like, how's your life's all fine. I'm going to go back and tell my husband. He's like, well, the fact is, you've been married, whatever it was, five, six times. and you're now living with a guy who's not your husband. What's so not funny but interesting. So he challenged her life.

Well, she knew, how does he know this? And then she got religious, which is what most people do. You challenge them about their life. What's going on outside the building? When someone is reading your mind and dictating it back to you, you're like, whoa. Well, where am I supposed to go to worship? But Jesus made that famous statement. There'll come a time, which was fixed to happen in Acts chapter 2 when the spirit was unleashed.

that people will, they won't go here or there to worship. They'll worship in spirit and in truth, which gets back to the same principle in Genesis 22 with Abraham. Here they are on the side of a mountain. Plus he said, which is the kind of worshippers that God seeks. Yeah. This is the kind. Right.

Wherever you are, girl. And, you know, of course, she was profoundly impacted and, well, she was saved over it. And just to be clear, we're not saying, don't attend a church and be a part of it and participate in praise and worship. All those are great. The problem is if that's all you got and that's not who you are, you're just like the woman. It's the smallest part.

It's the smallest part of your work. It's a great thing to come together. It's awesome. I love it. But it is the smallest part. What changed my view on it is when Duck Dynasty happened and then we start doing events. And some of the events, you know, probably only half of them are involving churches that I do. I don't know about what your percentage is, but I'd go to some of these churches,

and I would just be so impressed with their worship that it wasn't, it was more what we're discussing today. It wasn't about a ritualistic, you know, legalistic setting where they thought you had to go to some place and follow some rules. It was more an experience. Celebrate. Yeah, coming out of that their sons and daughters of God, they have Jesus Christ

the most awesome being ever on the planet as their Lord and brother and they are filled with the Holy Spirit and this is an experience where we're all together where we're gonna say you know you're God and we're not

and be excited about it and I think that's what's appealing and why I started looking at how we do things and I'm like that this is the way it should be when young people and the reason I'm singing out the young people because a lot of these churches that we're talking about,

they just get older and older and older, and you think, well, what happened? They just die out because it becomes so ritualistic. Because young people go in there and they look around and think, I thought you said y'all were going to heaven. You know, just miserable, cold, dark. And then when you see a certain agenda put forth and then you watch their lifestyle outside of the building,

young people, the one thing they see more than anything else is sincerity and what's real. And they know that's not real. That's why I'm out of here. One little simple truth, what they must, we all must realize, all right, you were there for a hour or two

on one day. Once you walk out that door, oh, the worship begins in earnest who you are and how's your faith and how do you behave? Yeah. Until the next appointed time. So you have to understand that or you'll lose sight of what worship really is.

Well, which was the point Jay's made from John 4, the woman at the well. You know what's interesting, Jay's, is that you brought up Act 17. One of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed was when we were in Athens filming for dad. Dad did a movie called Torchbearer. Oh, it was fantastic. It was a great movie. And somebody's going to ask now, so I'll tell you, Amazon Prime is where you can find it. And also Citizens United at their website to find the movie.

It's a long story on why it never released big. But the movie's amazing. But in we were filming a scene where Dad, and we're having to film kind of guerrilla style, because we did some sets and stuff where you could. But this was more we were just kind of run and gun. So Dad's on Mars Hill, which is where Paul was. Act 17. Yep.

We're literally standing on the same hill. And it was kind of, it was a granite hill. Remember, Dad? It was real slippery because people were crawling all over it. And so it got dust on it. So you kind of have to watch yourself or you'd fall. People there are all over the world. All over the world.

They're crawling all over this big rock. And right behind it is the ruins of the Acropolis. So as you're imagining Paul given this speech that you read about in Act 17, he's referring to the Acropolis, which is right above. Yeah. Well, dad basically memorizes the whole thing that Paul said in Acts 17. So him with the beard and the burlap shirt he loves, he's just standing there giving this speech.

But we're kind of disguised with the cameras. So we're getting a couple of different angles. We have a couple of camera guys there. And I'm just kind of, everybody's just kind of watching what these people are. They don't know what he's doing. He looks like a prophet or something. They thought he was just like having a moment. So here's what was amazing

Because we had to film it three or four times And make sure we got it But I'm watching the people And every time dad would finish the thing I mean some of them were in tears I saw that applause would break out You know because they thought it was like Some kind of theatrical

They didn't know what it was It was like because we're in Europe So it's like a lot of them didn't even recognize You know like this must be a smarter homeless guy Because look he had it down Like he was like he delivered it And he was looking over Athens And he would refer up

the Acropolis and I mean you nailed it you know in the I just tried to put my mind in place of the Apostle Paul I said right and it made me be very convicted I said it elevated I'm standing where the Apostle Paul stood delivering the same speech that's right almost 2,000 years later right at you remember they even had a little plaque there oh yeah that said you know this is it was a little square rock yeah and and some guys there said that's where he stood it. That's probably where he's doing. I mean, I put my feet firmly in place right there where he was standing.

But I was stunned on how the audience reacted to that. It was interesting because we were talking about worship. That was a worship experience for a lot of people. Sure. And it was for us too because I was in tears and dad was just like bringing it, you know, because he was sort of getting his inner paw while he was doing it. But there we were on that rock doing the exact same. They actually were not supposed to have cameras there.

Right. We were guerrilla. So they had sneaked them in, and then this was just an ad lib, get up there. They didn't know I memorized that whole section. They were just waiting on what I was going to say. By the way, we captured it. If you watched the movie, you'll see exactly what we're talking about, and it was fantastic. But it really did in and of itself.

And I think that's kind of what we're talking about is the experiences that you have. And sometimes it is through hardship where you worship. We hit just this, by the way, out that on the Apostle Paul's part and my part, 2,000 years later, that was an impromptu worship service. It was, no doubt about it. I had one last week in a nursing home with your youngest sister, you know. I mean, she's gone now, dementia. She can't recognize anything.

And yet we were there, and so we wanted to basically say goodbye to her. And she's been a very godly woman. Oh, she's the reason you're a Christian. That's right. And she helped us, me and Jason, Willie, and all of us as much as anybody ever has to grow. And I wanted to tell her that. Well, I'm just, you know, I'm crying, you know, talking to her. She's out of it, but she's looking at me.

But, you know, it was just vacant stare. But it was my opportunity. And it was a, I mean, I felt like a word. We prayed over. We prayed for the Almighty to take her because we didn't want to see her just stay here like that. But I'm telling you, that was as, that was as close as you can feel to God as it would have been if I'd have been in a church. somewhere hearing a sermon or something else. Those are the moments, I think, in life where God becomes real.

The text, we don't want you to be ignorant or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. We believe Jesus died and rose again. That's what Paul told the Thessalonians. That's an apt text for that moment you had right there. Exactly. Well, I don't know. She's in good hands, and a lot of people would say, good night. the woman suffering from dementia and you say she's in good hands it's in good hands

you know i think people you know gather and and they're drawn to churches that may suit their personality or their you know belief system or capability that's why there's so many i think the biggest argument from the world on why they don't come to jesus is they're like well look at this mess that is religion you have all these different groups how do you know which one's right they bicker they fight they're some of them are so radical and evil you know i mean you're thinking about all the people that have died just in the name of religion in some fashion and so you know even at our church we've seen that thing evolve and and the same kind of concepts that that we're talking about but i ran across this verse i want to share it with you in matthew 26 right before jesus goes out

to be arrested. And he does the Lord's self-wis-discibles, and he knows they're all fixed to turn. You know, the next thing that happens after this is that Peter denies them. But Jesus knew, okay, this is fixed to get tough. You know, I'm fixed to

literally give myself for my creation. And he goes through the Lord's Supper, and then he gets to verse 30, and there's this one little obscure passage that says, when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. And I thought, here, here's Jesus and his disciples. Here's Jesus knowing what's

fixed to happen. And he chose this as an opportunity for worship, kind of like what Abraham, you know, did with his son. But it's more real to me here in trying to get our worship, like we're saying in Romans 12.1. It's more of a mindset every day 24. You worship God every day. And mainly when bad things are fixing to happen. That's why, Jase, it is interesting that in Romans 1, I mean, 12, 2, it says, offer your body's living sacrifice, holy pleasing to God, that's all the time. This is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, check us out, Jase,

but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, what you just, the point you just brought up. then you'll be able to test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will. You say, boy, what a statement, you know, it begins, don't operate like these other people. You be different. That's right. You make sure your faith is intact, no matter what. I think the Christian music world in the last two or three years have really made some strides in coming up with heartfelt relationship, kind of the stuff.

that we're talking about here today, type songs, like worship songs that you can do together that are not cheesy. I mean, the number one thing when you get to become in public for Jesus is not being cheesy. What I mean by that is the church building structure basically you say, well, how they reach the public. They basically are concerned. A lot of them, I'm saying the ones that, you know, are ritualistic.

They're basically doing their own thing in there, going back to the Tower of Bible philosophy, thinking if we can do this right somehow that makes us right. And then their outreach is what, that sign outside that they change every week. You know, look, those are the cheesiest thing. Every time I drive by them, I read on that. No wonder they're not going in there.

That is so cheesy. Little puns and, you know, and then you look at the movies. Look at the Christian movies that come out. There are so few that are not cheesy. Are you saying, are you telling me when you drive by and it says this church is prayer conditioned that that doesn't just make you want to run in there? Exactly my point.

And you got to remember, too, I left the large group where we are and I volunteered to go across the river at a little small place. Well, the great song service, when I left the large group of 1,500 people, whatever it is, when I left that group and we started with about 15 or 20, you say, how's the song service? I said, take heart, brothers. There's not the 15 of them sitting in there. I said, take heart.

I said, I'm in the book of Acts. And I said, that's when the church started. The first 3,000 obey the gospel. Peter told them, you know, repent and be baptized. They were all baptized. 3,000 added to their number that day. I said, some of you are wondering, because there's not the 15 of us, what about a song service? And I'm like, well, I said, we have good news.

I said, I'm in the book of Acts. They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, that original 3,000, that we were added to, to the fellowship, to breaking of bread, to prayer. They were filled with all. The apostles were doing miraculous signs. They sold their possessions in goods and gave them. ones he had need. They continued to meet together in the temple courts, no church buildings at the time. In fact, for 300 years, there were no church building. They broke bread in their homes. There they are gathered up in their house. They ate together with glad and sincere hearts. They praise God,

enjoying the favor of all the people. They said, well, what do you know? And the Lord added to their number, daily those who were being saved. I said, now we'll go through the book of Acts. When we get to the scripture that talks about the song service, that's when we'll start singing. I said, in the meantime, if any of you can carry a tune, there's not many of you, but if any of you can carry a tune of any type, I can't. You need to recruit, sigh. Yeah, I said, stand up and you can sing anytime you want to. If you're happy, I said, sing a song. I said, but so far in the book of Acts, and I said, by the time we get to the end of it, I don't read anything about a song service. I said, always remember you don't have to have it no but i think it should be an experience that comes from

the heart sure i mean it's like when you i remember you saying this a long time by the way jason you probably forgotten this you said when you became a christian and you went to the first service that you'd ever been to you said you opened your mouth and you couldn't sing it was like it was such a humbling thing from where you had i was embarrassed yeah to sing the words and sung book, I looked down at them and I said, but then later on as you grew and that became a part of the way you could express your faith and your love for Jesus. I keep going back to the Trinity because I think it's more of an experience and that worship comes out of that. You know, I'm married to a worship guru. I mean, my wife, as far as music, she can see. Beautiful voice.

Look, that's one of the reasons I pursued her and wanted to marry her. Because the first time I heard her sing, I thought, I need a front row seat to that the rest of my life. That was my thought. I thought, because it was so inspiring and encouraging. When you think about Jesus, I was looking for that verse in Hebrews that said with loud cries and tears, you know, going through the process. Look, worship, it's okay to be emotional. I mean, Jesus wept when he raised Lazarus, before he raised Lazarus from the dead. he knew he was facing to raise it from the dead well why was he crying because life has those

experiences and you should be passionate about your relationship with God and the struggles you're going to just remember in Abraham's case in Job's case in the Apostle Paul's case you say in Jesus there is more and the woman at the whale you say was there a song service embedded in any of these events. Well, that's, no. Well, that's why I read, except for the one I read before he was arrested. He said, it just says they got together and sung a hymn. But I just thought, what would it be like to sing a hymn?

You know, it was Alcabella. They were out in the woods. And they just sang it together in that moment. And so then- Remember Act 16, Paul and Barnabas, they just got the fire beat out of them. I mean, you took a beating back in them days. You bet you. They're sitting in the inner.

cell locked together. In the middle of the night. The middle of the night. What are they doing? Singing. Yeah. And it had an impact on the jailer. It converted him in his old family. You bet you. But I think the point I brought up about Christian music now is I think, look, as far as is who we are,

if there's a way to make our church services more dynamic and taking some of these songs that are modern that, you know, kids listen to and like, I ran out of that I think you just use that stuff. You know, I kind of like our church, we have an a cappella service

that, because I think that's cool. That's the way they've always done. Then they have a second service. They call it contemporary, but it's instrumental. And so I've actually had people say, well, I'm not sure, you know, that you should be playing musical instruments, you know, while you're having a church service.

And so I said, well, I'll tell you this. In First Thessalonian's four, when Jesus comes back, it said there's something going to happen that's going to signify. that and of course they're looking at me like what does this got to do with musical instruments i said god's blowing a trumpet if that was anything wrong with a musical instrument the last thing he would be doing when the dead are or coming out of the ground is blowing a trumpet it's going to be a musical i said if you want to come to our church and you want to relax and if that body we got the first

but if you want to bring your trumpet bring it on buddy because the dead are coming out of the ground and we're out of it. I never thought about it that way, Jay. That's pretty good. That's a good point. So anyway, just a good discussion on where we started with this idea of worship. And I guess the challenge for any of us is we want to live that worshipful lifestyle every day. Remember, God has to be first. That was the key. That's what happened with Abraham. And because you get off base when you worship anything other than God. You know, it might be on a mountain side. It might be in a lake. It might be in a Duck blind. Look, it might be in a hospital bed. We all sang hymns to dying kids.

You know, we've been a part of those moments. And look, you can't help me cry. That's right. Which is powerful. So, that's our discussion today. Live and learn. Live a worshipful life every single day. I think it would be better for it.

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