Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 166 | Kathie Lee Gifford Inspires Phil, Why She Never Googles Herself & Miss Kay's Dessert Mishap

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Kathie Lee Gifford makes her "Unashamed" debut and impresses Phil, Miss Kay, and Al big-time. Kathie Lee shares how losing her husband lit a fire in her belly, why she never Googles herself, working with Regis, the time God spoke to her in a movie theater, how her family came to Jesus, and her new children's book, "Hello, Little Dreamer." Phil and Al joke with Miss Kay about her amusing misquotes and malapropisms, and Kay reveals how she botched her carrot cake recipe and almost derailed dessert. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, so here we are with the unashamed, and we have, normally it's me, dad, and Jace. But for the second podcast, we have booted Jace, and we brought in Ms. Kay. Are you glad? Can you think you can fill in us? I tell you, if I'd have been here with Jace, it would have run the show. Well, that's why I didn't let him come. And then we have, we have the fantastic, wonderful Kathy Lee. Gifford, Skyping in to us from Nashville. So hello, Kathy Lee. Welcome to Unashamed.

Hey, guys. I'm here. Ms. Ms. Kay and Ms. Kathy Lee. That's right. Perfect. Now, Kathy Lee, we haven't been doing our podcast but about a year, but you're definitely the most famous person we've had on so far. So we're so excited to have a famous person on here now. Well, that's kind of sad. It is sad for us, but it's great for you. We're growing. So I wanted to start with a story. I don't if you remember this or not, but it's in our family, I guess since our

reality shows history, it's one of our most famous stories and you were a part of it and don't even know it. So we did the Today Show and this is right like at the height of the popularity of the show. So I wasn't on the interview. Lisa and I had just started on the show, but the rest

of the family was there. It was kind of big ensemble. So Matt Lauer interviews him first. And Matt was kind of testy that day. And he kept trying to talk about scripted versus unscripted. It just wasn't a real fun interview. But, you know, he did his thing. So then we have, of course, Kathy Lee and Hoda afterwards. And so you interviewed us, you guys interviews.

So you guys are trying to just keep it fun. And, you know, this is going to be great. You had the right spirit about this is Duck Dynasty. This isn't, you know, the end of the world. So I don't remember which one of you asked. I'm off camera, so I'm watching the interview. And so you have, you know, a couple little funny things right off the bat. And then somebody says, oh, I hear Mr. Phil, I hear you guys have some dogs.

Because you thought, you know, we might get something light maybe about Bobo or, you know, our dogs that were on the show. All the labs that retrieved the dogs. Right. And so dad decides that he says, yeah, we got dogs. We definitely got dogs. They're our first line of defense. Anybody tries to come in and rape our women, molest our children. And he starts into this, look, she's laughing.

She remembers. So he starts into this list. And all of a sudden, you know, he's going to. both y'all's eyes got so big and I think it was a ho that said oh that we just went from a Bible study to Smith and Western and it wasn't sharp turn you know and so well then so somebody tried to save the interview by saying

well what about Uncle Cy you know you're so funny and sigh says hey we'd rather have a Bible study but if a gun fright breaks out we're ready for that too and it was just it was over how could you forget that So here's the part of the story you don't know. It was great TV. It was great TV.

So here's what you don't know happened after. So we were leaving Today Show and going to the airport. That was our last show. We all load up in the three SUVs and we're heading to the airport. So Willie starts texting and he's making fun of what Dad did on the thing. There will be a hell of gunfire. We're going to kill everybody. And so then we get to the airplane.

We all get on the plane. And then Willie, we're all sitting together in one big group. And Willie's like, if you're trying to rape our women, we'll make. And so we laughed about that all the way home. We did. It just, it was funny every time. And so that is a, that is a very deep, funny Robertson story, and you were a part of it. So thank you for being a part of one of our favorite stories.

Oh, yeah. I think people, I think this is the success of our hour was that nobody, everybody felt safe. Right. To obviously be who you are. Well, we got Smith and Weston and Bible studies, which is really funny. So a couple of things I wanted to ask just because I'm curious, and then I don't want to hear about your new book. So what was it like?

You know, I really, I watched you and Regis a lot because that was another show that, for me, personally, I just enjoyed it. You guys had a great rapport and just a great down there. What was that like during that air? Because you guys were like the thing, you know, for that whole period of time you all were doing it. Yeah. You know, it's since Reggie.

has passed just a couple months ago. Everybody's talking about it and remembering him and using the word beloved, which is the proper way to use it for very few people. You know, everybody loved, loved, loved, Regis. He didn't have an enemy in the world. And when we started together, we were local. We used to tease ourselves, we're a local piece of slime show. And we were happy to be that because we weren't trying to be anything other than what we were.

And I think that's sort of the success of you as well. You know, if you're authentic, people know it. That's right. You know, and you, and they're either going to like you or not like you, but at least it's on an honest basis. Right. And Regis and I were entertainers at our core. We weren't journalists.

We, you know, I've been a singer and an actress since I came out of my mother's room with a rim shot and a pratfall, you know, and Reg the same. He just, he would go into any room wherever we were, whether there were two people there or it was Carnegie Hall, no matter what. And he'd go, Regis is here. Regis is here. He had to announce the fact that Regis was there. And, you know, they just loved him for it.

And you'd go to every single person and talk to them and tease them and love them. And he just made everybody happy. He lived to make everybody happy. We didn't know at the time that we were changing the landscape of daytime TV. We had no idea. And we made a pact between us that we would. would never go into syndication unless we had an absolute guarantee from the syndicator that they wouldn't try to change us one bit, not one bit. We take the same show we had always done for three

years in New York and just put the satellite up and we're the same. Right. And Buenavista Disney did that and it changed literally changed the landscape of daytime television ever since then. And I'm just grateful to God for it in my life because it certainly changed all my opportunities. I stayed with reach for 15 years and then for personal reasons, spiritual reasons, the Lord led me away. I wanted to pursue my dreams that I'd had since I was a child. You know, you're running out of time as you get a little bit older in life. And then I did the show with Hoda. And then I really laughed after I found Frank passed on to glory in our sun room one Sunday morning. And that was over five.

five years ago. And when you've held your love, and you can see that look on their face, which was, he saw Jesus and Jesus took his breath away. I knew it. But after that, I was so aware of my own mortality, you guys, after that. You know, I'm 23 years younger than Frank to the day. But when you've experienced the loss of somebody that you love as intimately as I did my husband, and he's there one minute and he's gone the next, but you know, know where he is. It just put, it lit a fire in my gut that God's not done with me yet. And don't you dare waste one more minute, Kathy. I've got work for you to do. And it's going to require a lot of, you've got to, you're going to have to move. You're going to have to leave

everything you know. I'm taking you to a spacious place. You know, that scripture that says, the Lord led me out into a spacious place. Because that home that Frank and I lived in for 25 years at that time was our refuge there. You know, that's where the Lord just, he made a family of us there. That's where Frank's ashes are. That's where my children were came. And after the hospital, that's where we raised them.

Billy Graham did my first Christmas special right there in our living room. Just a million memories. And then all of a sudden, my husband's gone. My children had moved to California to pursue their careers. And that magnificent, magical place is all, of a sudden a morgue, a morgue. And I knew that I was dying, literally dying of loneliness. I couldn't go out and toast the sunset anymore like Frank and I had done since the day we started dating. All through my children's lives, every night we'd go and thank the Lord for another day of life,

but when the sun went down. We'd do it all over the world, but it was especially, you know, precious to us in our own backyard, you know, and I couldn't do it anymore. And I said, Lord, if this is it for me, then take me home now. I'm ready. Anytime, I'd rather go home and be with Jesus and my husband and my father and my mother. The dearest closest people in my life I've lost now. They're not lost. I know where they are.

But they're lost to me physically right now. And if this is it, Lord, and you're done with me, then I'm done with this. Take me home. And he convinced me, you know, no, honey, I have. only begun with you. You have no idea. Like in Ephesians, I have immeasurably more for you that you could ever ask or imagine if you just keep walking with you. Well, you know, one more day. I watched your I Am Second because, you know, we were doing ours today and I knew we were going to be speaking. And so, I mean, there were two inspiring and uplifting would be the two words I would

use for what you said on I'm second. And I know those guys are really good at what they do. but you talked a little bit about that in the I'm second part. I wanted to talk a little bit about Frank Gifford for dad and I. Of course, dad played college football. And so we've always loved football. And Frank was a part of the original Monday Night crew that when I was growing up and kind of became football aware. So I always, he was always my, you know, Dandy Don was the ultimate color guy,

funny, singing, you know how he was. And then CoSelle was the play-by-play guy. But because he was so bombastic himself, I felt like he kind of could be off the rail. You never knew where Howard Cozell was going to go. But Frank Gifford was like the steady. I mean, he was like the pro. Yeah, he was. He was the pro of the booth.

And I've never forgotten that. I mean, as a kid growing up and watching him, you know, he was the voice I always listened to the most. Because the other two were kind of out on the far ends of that. So he had a big impact on me. He was one of my heroes just because I love football and he was part of it. So that everyone will understand. I haven't said anything yet. Oh.

But I've listened to Kathy Lee's words, and I was inspired by her words. Just remember, you say, so what exactly, y'all have raised rural southerners. So what's the agenda really? Here's what we're trying to do, Kathy Lee. We're trying to get human beings to do two so hard things to do. Love God. and love each other. We're trying to get them to do that.

Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It's not proud. It's not rude. It's not self-seeking. It's not easily angered.

Just think about a culture like this. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. Check this out in lieu of the hearing y'all kind of get on me about the dogs and the gunfire. He's going back. Love always protects. You're like, you have your woman at home.

You love your woman. There's your next door neighbors. You love them. Some people have come up and are trying to harm them, burn their house down. love always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always persevered, love never fails. Therefore, you say if you look at what we do, we're just trying to get the human race, particularly America, just to love God and love each other, Kathy Lee. I do not see the downside to that.

You know? You know, and when Jesus said those words, Phil, when you understand the rabbinical study of the word of God, the original Hebrew in the Old Testament, the original Greek and the new, you understand cultural context at the time as well. And when Jesus said that, it was infuriating to the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Because he said, you know, they said, what's the greatest commandment? He said, to let your soul, your soul. you might all of you all of you right and the second one is like that love your neighbor as yourself but what people don't understand is that seems normal to us now at the time that's one of the reasons they had to they had to crucify him why because the entire uh society the the jewish

society of its time very patriarchal jesus was a rabbi jesus was a jew a lot of christians don't even realize that everybody in first century a d Israel were living under Roman rule, but they were also living under Sadducee and Pharisee rule. And what those people did infuriated Jesus. They kept adding more rules, more commandments, more. You hide your spice garden. And they already had the mosaic law they wanted to keep. They already had all these teachings.

They added over like 600 different teachings and commandments that these poor people that were already under Roman rule and taxes had to keep. And Jesus, when he said that to them, was basically saying to the Pharisees, woe is you, you hypocrites, you whitewashed tunes. You are doing everything other than what I knew. You were asked to do, which is feed my sheep, love my people, teach them my ways and lead them to glory.

And that's what made Jesus so much a rebel, so much a radical. He was going to undo the status quo in first century AD. And he did a wonderful thing. He brought Jew and Gentile together under one head himself. I think, Catholic, that's the reason to this day. there's a reason that we all say all the years before Jesus are called all the years before Jesus

and all the years after Jesus are called Year of our Lord he's the time marker to this day for the world we're all kind of time it's pretty amazing yeah well they're trying to change that too they're trying to rewrite history

that you know that that that that one moment that changed all of history is a moment that divinity chose to lead being the glory of God chose to enter humanity. That's it. The creator of the world died literally already before he died on the cross, died to his own glory to become a child, a baby in Bethlehem and feel what we feel and understand what we go through. He knew anyway, but there was no other way to get back to Betav, which is the Hebrew word

for the father's house. Since the dawn of creation, that's what Creator God, Jehovah Elohim, has tried to do. He's tried to love all of humanity back to his home, Bet of the father's house. And it could only be accomplished by sending his son. That's it. That's pretty good. Well, I tell you what, Kathy Lee would fit in the unashamed discussion. You sure would. You fit in here quite well, Kathy. That's our kind of talk. So I was going to mention a brain mommy, and Kathy Lee is known, and I don't know if it was from the Catholic Lee and Regis era or what, but you're known for your quotes.

Because you always just said a lot of really, a lot of statements. And so I don't know if you've Googled yourself lately, but there's a lot of Kathy Lee quotes out there. I try not to ever Google myself. I want to be happy. That's exactly right. Well, and I found them quite interesting. So, Mom is the, if Kathy Lee's the queen of the quotes, the mom is the queen of the misquotes.

A throwback from Norm, a Norm, you remember Norm Crosby? You remember Norm Crosby, the guy that butchered the English language and made a good living at it. That's Ms. Kay. But I don't do it on purpose. I mean, it just comes out. He did my mother. My mother used to call the Cyro-Fenician,

lady, the neocenephrine woman. So I know what to me. That's a classic mom. So tell her the one about when you had the thing on your leg. And what did you? Daddy tells her better than I think. Well, she called me. She says, my leg is, what do you?

Oh, she said, they did an autopsy on my leg. And she said, but they're going to fix it. They're going to treat it with nitroglycerin. I said, let me see now. Your leg is dead. They're figuring to blow it up. I never knew. She said, well, I might.

got those words out of that. I said, I mixed those words up. The first one was, what was it, what was the right name? Bopsies. Biopsies. You can see how those are closed. Yeah. And then what's the, and they were going to use, what was the right word for the leg?

Some kind of the freezing process. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The other. I know. And I never said, and then usually when I say on the minute they're out, I'll say, that's not right.

And Phil will go, not right. Not right. He said, Kay can check. one letter of one word and it's a whole other word. We hunted for one hour to find her little cell telephone. We couldn't find it. We could hear it in the distance. We had people call.

Ms. Kay's looking for it. She's looking for it an hour. Well, guess where we found it? In the refrigerator. Between the lettuce and coke. I guess that's truly putting your phone on the ice. There you go. So one of the quotes, now these are from the internet,

that. So if you didn't say, you can tell me. But one I found was interesting I want to ask you about, because you mentioned her mom. It says, over the years, my mom has become a self-taught biblical scholar. That's one of the quotes out of me. Is that, tell us about your mom and tell us about that. Because obviously, you know what? My mom at both. It's interesting. Yeah. Both of my mom and I, I just wrote about it in a new book that's coming out in December called It's Never Too Late. And it was a hard chapter for me to write because I was very close to my mom and dad. They both were of another generation. My dad was born in 1924. My mom was born in 1930, same year, Frank was. So it was a completely different world then. It was a great generation, as it's called, because there was so

much sacrifice. There was an understanding that you sacrifice for what's precious in this world. and we've sort of lost that, unfortunately, in our culture. And I'm trying to raise children that understand that. But, you know, everything's very, very different. But my mom and my dad came from great loss and tremendous, oh gosh, how can I explain it? Both of my parents came from immigrants' parents. And they had very dysfunctional childhoods. They were both of their fathers were alcoholics.

Both of their mothers died early. And not, well, it doesn't, it's complicated. They came from tremendous heartbreak and lost. My dad was a Jew. He was, people tried to stone him when he was a child and called him a Christ's killer. My mother lost her mother, her brother, her father, her grandmother, and everybody else

that she loved before she was out of her, you know, 15 years old. Everybody was gone in her family separate. One sister. And so, and then, and they were, you know,

poor. They'd come from some wealth and then lost it during the, not the, you know, when in 1929 in the stock market, I mean, it's just, it's like a grapes of wrath kind of epic story on both sides.

But when they found each other by the grace of God, they started, they decided that they were going to break, the mold. They were going to break the cycle of abuse. And they were going to, and they didn't know Jesus at the time. Although we found out you guys much later, when my father was eight years old as a little Jewish boy in Annapolis, Maryland, his mother was a Gentile, but they were raised, you know, very, very dysfunctional. Anyway, five kids had been left by the father, with their mother. She had had had it.

It was a hot summer day, and she said to them all, I've had it with you kids. Get out of this house. Go down to that little church. It was an African-American little church down the road. You go down to that little church and you all go to vacation Bible school because I've had it with you. Right. Well, they all went. And we didn't know for years later that my daddy had gone forward and asked Jesus into his heart when it was eight years old.

That little African-American church. Wow. We didn't know it for the longest time. And then years later, my mom and my sister, I came home one night and found, I was outside getting the door open. I could see my mother and my sister looking at the television on the inside and they were sitting there in front of it crying. And I thought maybe the president had been killed or something, you know? And because I remember when President Kennedy had been killed and it was like that. You just saw people gathered around and sobbing.

So I saw that and I walked in and I realized that they've been sodded. They've been sitting in front of the television because Billy Graham was doing a crusade. And they both came to know Jesus at that time. Well, we all know from Jesus, Yeshua, the Messiah, that he came to make all things new. And all of a sudden, the dysfunction and the heartache and the brokenness of my mother's early life. And my father's, all of a sudden, Jesus started putting that marriage, solidifying the future and making all things new, which he promised he would do. And next thing, you know, my mother's saved, my sister's saved. I go to a Billy Graham movie a couple of months later.

I'm saved. My brother gets saved. And thus begins the miracle that only God can do in these homes. They look hopeless on the surface. but God, right? But God. The world was hopeless until Jesus came miraculously born of a virgin in the town of Bethlehem and everything changed. History changed.

We mark the day that that happened. Whether we follow what we're trying to do today. For the last two centuries, it's changed the way we mark history. By the way, Kathleen, and one of the things always ask people after hearing you tell the story that we tell, I always ask them, do you have a better story? It makes you nervous just to think about it. Yes.

So what I'm saying is I say, do you have a better story, everyone who hears about Jesus and what he did? And to the person, they all say, even the atheists, they say, you got me there because that's that's a dozy of a story it is a story we can't we can't do anything better than god does you know uh i just look back on it i was 12 years old and i think that was the greatest decision i ever made in my entire life was to i was at this movie theater i was watching a billy graham movie and he was he was so so so rebuked and and criticized for having a movie and having people come to the movie theaters.

And Billy understood that the devil didn't own movie theaters. The devil didn't own the airwaves. God created air and everything belongs to God. And if we gave it up, then that's our fault as believers. And he said, I'm going to take the television airwaves, and I'm going to do my preaching, my crusades. I'm going to make a movie about a young girl on the cusp of womanhood who can either go the way of the world and have sex with her boyfriend and do drugs and let the world take her away.

Or she can trust me with her life and let me make something beautiful out of it. And I'm sitting there as a little Jewish girl who's wanted to be an actress and a singer my whole life in a movie theater. Where does God meet me? In a movie theater. And that's why we know what we just saw, your cup runneth over. it does and fallethover I'm wrong we're talking about something else

so we just have a few minutes left what I just filled is not running over now so yeah I saw an arm put it back we just have a few minutes left with you so tell us a little bit about your new book Hello Little Dreamer is that right is that the book you just came out with

It's called Hello Little Dreamer And it's getting such a lovely reaction. Basically, I've written many, many children's books. They're very easy for me to write. I've been a mother. I've been a writer all my life. I'm a songwriter, so I write in rhyme. And they're basically little songs

that just haven't been put to music yet. And then these wonderful Anita Schmidt, as the young lady, I've never even met her, but she did these delightful illustrations for it. And then they do all the hard work and bring it to life. you know, they bring it just magic. So it's basically because I've always felt like we asked the wrong question in our culture of our children. We say, what do you want to be when you grow up?

When really we should be asking them, what has God already prepared you to be? Scripture tells us that before the dawn of creation, God saw us. That's right. How amazing is that? God saw us. And he had us in mind when he created everything. And then when David talks about in the Psalms, how God creates this human being in that dark, secret place in our mother's womb. And the scripture says, wonderfully and fearfully made, that's a bad translation of fearful.

So that's the Hebrew word, Y, I, R-E-H. That we only have one word for fear. In English, it's fear. We all think it means the same thing all the time. But it doesn't in the Hebrew. Most of the time in the Old Testament, the word fear, like fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It means worship and adoration and awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The only people that should ever fear God are his enemies.

Those who hate him and hate his word and hate ways. They're the only way. God doesn't want his children. He's Abba father. He doesn't want me, which means daddy and Aramaic. He doesn't want us. to fear him. He wants us to crawl up in his lap and love him and pour out our hearts to him and trust him with our lives. And that's what I did that day in that movie theater. I felt the

Lord speak very clearly to me, you guys, and say, Kathy, I love you because he does speak our names, you guys. Remember when he spoke to Hagar five thousand years ago in the desert? He said her name. He loved on her. He loved her into the kingdom. He was a God of C. She called him. He called her by name just so he said to Mary Magdalene when she was so broken that Jesus had died and was she'd never see her Savior again. What happened? He says her name. And that's what our Savior does for all of us. He calls us by name. He is a customized God. He's, you know, he makes every single one of us so completely unique and different and died for every single one of us for the same reason because he loves us. And he loves us. And he makes every single one of us. And

And Jesus said to me that day is a 12-year-old little kid, Kathy, I love you. And if you'll trust me, I want to make something beautiful out of your life. And I went forward that day, and I've made all kinds of mistakes since. But God's grace and mercy is so much bigger than any mistake I will ever make. I may make a worse one tonight. I used to say to my kids, you know what we all have in common, you guys? We are one decision away from disaster. Me too.

You know? I think that could be said of us all. Kathy Lee, it's been awesome having you on Unashamed. Obviously, God had that spotlight in mind for you when you came to this earth. And I think you've shown well as the light and darkness. So we appreciate your life. We want to encourage our audience to check out, Hello, Little Dreamer. It sounds like a great book.

So thank you for coming on. Look, this is, we're giving me an invitation as we leave because we had first talked about trying to get you down here. But with COVID and everything going on, we couldn't get it done. But we want to invite you next time we're going to come. We'll come and cook in Ms. Kay's Kitchen. Yep. We'll have some fun with that, and we'll do another podcast. Thank you.

I want to tell you one thing. You're beautiful inside and out. And I really... I really do see it. I mean, you could help so many people by just sharing your words of the scriptures. Well, you know what, you guys, that's what we're all here for. We've all had great success in this business. That's not for our business.

glory. That was all, you know, he gave us these gifts that these dreams we had, like my little book talks about and hello little dreamer, there are no mistakes. God, if a child comes out of the womb and starts to twirl around and dance, or they stare at the stars and they go, mommy, what's that one? Daddy, what's that? What's that mean? You know, those dreams are born of God and there's a purpose for them. Dreams are huge all through scripture. God, you know, his dream, implants them in us every bit as much as he makes us long-legged or a little chubby or blue-eyed, green-eyed, whatever. We're masterpieces to the master creator.

That's right. And our dreams are every bit as important to our growing into everything we were meant to be in him as our bodies are. And some dreams are instant. We know right away, oh, Johnny's, Johnny likes to work with his hands. Johnny's going to, you know, kind of thing. But we as parents should never get in the way of our kids' dreams. You know, we have, we sort of superimposed sometimes our dreams on our children.

And we have no right to do that. We're children, drain them up in the way they should go. And when they are older, they will not depart from it. It doesn't say, give your children your dreams. That's right. That would be totally against what God wants us to do as parents. Let them dream their dreams. And then we're just there to help them make them come true.

There you go. I like it. I like it too. Great having you on today. Just pray God's blessings on you. And the same to you all. God bless hope to see in person next time. You all come down to Nashville.

We'll be up there. I like Nashville. Yeah, we got some Ken folk up there. Thanks, Kathy Lee. Okay. Lord bless you. You too. Well, I tell you what, Kathy Lee Gifford.

I mean, look, we went beyond. I mean, I knew, you know, that she was a believer, but I mean, that girl's done some study. She has. And she can teach at any preaching school there is. She knew Hebrew. She knew Greek. I mean, she knew context. I was super impressed with that. You know, and I had done, I tried to do some research

on her because I've watched her like everybody else through the years, but, you know, you don't know these people. You didn't know she had that. I had no idea. It was super impressed because, like, you could tell. She knew what she was talking about. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. She could preach it anywhere. She was pretty good. So the original

plan was just so our audience will know, she, we were going to have her down. And a friend of hers, a real close friend, is the same one that has connected up, this I am second stuff that we're doing today around this, doing the podcast. And so we were going to try to get her down here and have her own set and then have dinner at your house and cook.

But it's just, it's so hard now just to get flights and to get in and out and get where you've got to be. It's just kind of part of the, unfortunately part of the COVID problem. But I really did love, Frank Gifford growing up. I did too. And of course, in football in general, right?

Yeah, I want to tell a story, Phil, want to listen. He thinks I talked too long. No, he's just looking for scriptures. Oh, good. Well, when you were a little boy and we were at Tech and you had your baby bed in there, and me and you would be there, Phil would be hunting or fishing or wherever he went

when he wasn't going to college. And we were in there, and I had a little black and white TV, and I brought it in there. And he would be just up from, you would be just up from your nap. And I say, we're going to watch football. And, I mean, you were like, I would say you was between one and two. And so I put it on. And you know who we watched every time was the Dallas Cowboys.

And so we'd sit there. And I would tell you about the game, as if you knew what I was talking about. And I said, they scored a touchdown, and you would go, you would do your little hands and do your little hands like that. And how was I? He was about two years old, almost two. And I'm saying between there and now, are you still love the Dallas Cowboys? I do.

And that started at that age. Actually, that's funny because you've never told me that story. You were just saving it for the podcast for when I was 55 years old. When you're old, it comes, it goes. It comes. So that's interesting because a lot of people ask me why, because we live in Louisiana, and always have, except for a little time in Arkansas. But, you know, why I'm a cowboy fan instead of a Saints fan.

And Dad wasn't really a fan of any team. I mean, he follows, you know, football, but he doesn't. It's not really like that. He's like Jason, a jumper. Yeah, exactly. One year this and one year. Yeah, he liked Brady. He likes this.

So, but when, so when, I thought it was because when we moved here in late 74, early, 75, actually, was when we're here, that I remember my first football memory other than I guess that one at two was we were talking about the super we were riding one of the pink buses from right where we're sitting this church we were riding down to our apartment and everybody was talking about the Super Bowl

and it was the Cowboys and the Steelers and so everybody was asked who are you for and I remember saying well I'm for Dallas and I didn't really know why I always thought it was an anti-Bradshaw thing because you know dad and Bradshaw competed for quarterback but it was actually you that planted that seed all that time

and you like you watched them every year that you don't even remember. So that's just my first memory, but you were saying all along. Oh, all along. And when I switched to the Saints, you didn't. You said, no, I'm Dallas Cowboys. But you did that as a little boy

because we started at that age. And you know, I've always been a Cowboy fan. Of course, this year I'm not watching the NFL at all because this BLM stuff is just driving me crazy. But the game is different now because in the old days, like you would watch the same group of players with the same coach until their career was over.

But now they switch around. I mean, the NFL is getting like Major League Baseball. You watch it one year and you're like, where did all the players go that I just, you know? And so it's a little more stable for now, but that's fixing the change, I think. You know, you just can't get a team concept anymore, so it's kind of hard to pull for a team.

Well, you started out early. Yeah, I've always loved them. All right, what you got, Ed? That's got multiple verse. He's got multiple holes in the scripture. I got a little wrap up on a, and it's a lot coming up from one Kathy Lee Gifford. Jesus and John 8 said,

I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. Now put that in your pipe. That's John 8, verse 12. Now turn back to Matthew, chapter 5 and Jesus makes an astounding statement for the believers that come to him. You, he is the light of the world. Now he says, you, his people, are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.

Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead, they put it on its stand where people can see it. And it gives light to everyone in the house. That's why he said, you will never walk in darkness, but you will have the light of life. So when it gets to us in the same way, let your light shine before men. They have to see your behavior. It's how critical behavior is when you are following Jesus, the light of the world, that they may see your good deeds to people who are observing you. Like, hmm, they ought to be mad, but they're not. Most people would curse at that point, but they didn't. Well, when they see that, they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven. That's the way we do it. And to finish up the complete

thought, the Apostle Paul writing to the Ephesians in Ephesians 5, his first word there is be imitators of God because he's the light of the world. So you get down in verse 8, for you were once darkness, but now you are the light, you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light, for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness. That's what he meant when he said you will walk by the light of life. You will be full of goodness, light of the world, righteousness, light of the world, and truth, light of the world. And find out what pleases the Lord, have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness. You've already been there, round, around, around, drugs, immorality, whatever. Rather expose them. It's shameful to mention

what the disobedient do in secret, but everything exposed by the light. That's us. becomes visible for it is light that makes everything visible that's why it said wake up oh sleeper these for all of you believers out there wake up sleepers rise from the dead and christ will shine on you we're back to the light again pretty cool yeah pretty awesome let's take a break yeah and so i mean that's the interesting that you read that in in conjunction with us talking to kathy lee because i mean I mean, I guess the one word I've associated her was joy. It's just a word, you know, that connects to her. But then, I mean, you could also say a bright light.

She said on her, I am second piece that I watched yesterday, that she said, I knew, she said it again today. She said, I knew, you know, when I was eight years old, like that, I mean, there needed to be a spotlight. I mean, I want to sing, I want to dance, I want to act. And it was all about what she saw and was connecting to with singing and movies. But hearing her talk today, I mean, she was a bright light already. Yep. You know, way before any of that other stuff. That's why all these qualities of the spirit, love, joy, their fruit of the spirit.

Because Jesus, the light of the world, the vine, and we are the branches. Therefore, the fruit will be light. Love, joy, peace, peace. patience, kind of, it's light for the world, light for the world. That's right. You know, faithfulness, general, self-control, all light, all light, all light. And really and truly, I guess, to have both, both your latest books, The Thet of America's So and now Jesus Politics, which we're still encouraging people to check out. That's what Jesus' politics is all about. That's what it's about. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It really is about,

because you basically identified the dark in the first book. Yep. And how Satan has done it to where we are right now. Let his light shine through you being the light of the world. He just transposed it to us. That's right. And we moved forward. I thought our conversation with the Benham's was was poignant in the fact that it shows what happens when you don't shine light. I mean, that's right. You know, the more you retract back and you kind of hide out in your in your churches or in your underground, your bunker, and don't shine that light out. You see what happens? That darkness just continues. Because Paul told the Ephesians by letting your life, light shine, you expose the darkness.

Exactly. Well, you know, when you walk into a dark room. The Bimmer boys, who are the Bimmers? The Bimmers. Benoms. The Bimmers. The Binnoms. That's it.

Did I not name them right there, two live wires for Jesus. They really are. I mean, they're like two electric prods that are just constantly on fire. I like a light shining in a dark place, that's for sure. They're unafraid. I really liked them. They loved our unashamed.

Yeah, they loved you too. So mom, so two years. in a row when it uh for our life choices banquet uh they're always trying to get like some good speakers and but as always they don't have a big budget blah blah blah so they know i'm willing to help them and lisa and i kind of work in this field because we speak at a lot of these things so we run across people and make friends just like they did with the benoms well they speak a lot at the pro life stuff too and so our friend jenny at the life choices last year they said we we're we need somebody big, but we don't have any money.

And I got it. So I reached out to Jim Daly, he was the president of folks on the family. And I was like, Jim, this is our 40th year. I don't even know if you go and speak or whatever, but our thing doesn't have any budget. But I'll bring you in and put you up and if you can come down here. And dad's hamburgers are waiting on you because they had been down earlier and he'd eating your hamburgers. And every time I talked to him, he reminds me about that hamburger. He said, hamburgers, I'm in.

So I was like, okay, if we can't pay them, food gets them, that's good. So this year, it was the venom. Sometime the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. That's correct. So this year it was the benoms. And I knew they love carrot cake because I know them so well. And so they were, oh, carrot cake. I said, well, my mom makes the best carrot cake in the world.

So I was like, I tell you what, if you come down here and speak at our banquet, I will make sure you get steak because they're big steak men and carrot cakes. I said it'll be one of the best steaks you ever. ate old stone. I know what he could do with the grilled tenderloin, and mom will make it a carrot cake. Perfect. So today we're doing that.

I'm second name. Mom comes in. She says, well, I just made a flop out of that cake. I was like, Mom. I've never done that my life. I said, Mom, that's the reason. That's how I got the bit of them here. Now you've got the one thing you're supposed to deliver.

So tell me what happened. What was the, what happened with your cake? Well, I had too many irons in the fire. And I had a lot of irons. That's true. I was trying to make the cake, but then I wanted to start the icing or have it all ready. So what I didn't do, I should have put the icing stuff over here, and I kind of had it all mixed up. Well, then I saw those two sticks of butter, and I thought that must go in the cake.

It didn't go in the cake. It went in the icing was supposed to. But then when I got ready to put it in the icing, I said, where's the butter? And then I thought, oh, no, I put it in the cake. While I was cooking, she said, I think I messed up. I put the two whole sticks of butter in the cake instead of the icing. And I looked in the oven, it was getting brown. I said, it won't be long now.

We'll know. All I have to say is, I was being kind. Boy, that thing is rich. So, and mom really does make an amazing, fantastic carrot cake. Of course, it's usually the presentation you never know. It could be sliding off a little to the left or sliding. They're never pretty. My cakes aren't beautiful.

But they're always delicious. But they're always the best to eat. So because of that, I had to run down to the bag. Because I'd promise them carrot cake. So I run down to the bakery and I don't know how it works. I come and I said, do y'all have a carrot game? She said, well, no, sir, we have a something else, something else. And I said, can you make one?

And she was like, well, when do you need it? I mean, I don't do bakery. So I don't know how this works. And she said, well, when do you need it by? And I looked at my watch and I said, well, I needed about 1230. It was 10, 15. She said, well, let me go back and ask. And so she comes back in, she says, well, they can do a square one because it'll cool,

but they can't do a round one because you've got to stack them up. I said, make it so. And so we did get them a carer-ca. And I met it. I took a bite. It wasn't in the race with yours. But I delivered. It was good.

It wasn't bad. It was really good. Well, usually my flops are better than a lot of people's best ones. Yeah, that's true. You usually find a way to pull it out of the fire. So it's been very pleasant. We've had, we haven't argued with Jay's today, which is one of our friends. Man, it's just peace.

Peace and calm. You know, Jace is quite the villain on the podcast. There's some people that get mad at him for cutting in on dad or whatever. He won't close his mouth. That's exactly right. But just know, Jace has always been the way he is. He's a good Bible man, and we know he can tell stories, and he's part of the way going forward.

It's just if he's your villain, you know, just I don't know what to tell you. He's going to be part of the trio, so we're just going to go forward. But this was fun just to get to do something a little bit different. And so I wanted you to sit in with Catholic Luther. because I thought that'd be fun. We're going to get her back in person. I love that. She's got some pretty good stories she's going to tell, too.

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