Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 173 | Trump's Viral Dance Moves, Why the Pandemic Savaged Our Culture, and Policy vs. Personality

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

As the election looms large, Phil, Jase, and Zach weigh in on Trump's viral dance moves, fear of the coronavirus among voters, and the policies supported by Trump and Biden. Zach criticizes the unbiblical view of authority in the American church and points out how and why social distancing has damaged our culture. And the guys react to Pastor John Piper's controversial stance on whether it's more harmful to vote for politicians who promote bad policies or candidates with personality flaws. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Y'all are more of the political gurus. We're right before the election here. In my simple mind, I think one of the best things that Trump did to perhaps get reelected was this dance. I don't know if you've seen it. Missy showed me the viral dance last night via social media. this. I laughed. Yeah, he got out there and he started doing a, you know, a little jig on stage.

And then there were thousands and thousands on social media. Everybody's now doing the Trump dance. And as silly as that is, I thought that our culture is just so, you know, let's face it, We have some shallowness to us. I mean, everybody's talking about hardcore issues. The 2020 has been an upheaval. And then all of a sudden, he goes out there and does this, I don't even know what you call it, but I'm shocked you haven't seen it.

I want to know it was a viral thing. I know what you're talking about it. He did one of these rallies and the music was going. And, yeah, I know what you're talking about. It was almost like a choreographed dance. And, I mean, it has now, become that because, you know, you've got things like TikTok and all. Yeah.

So now everybody. It proves one thing. What does it prove? He's not a politician. Which is a good thing in these current times. We don't need a politician. That's Joe Biden, politician to its core of his being. You see a guy.

Yeah. Jukes around. You say, he's not a politician. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because I do these types of dances. but usually I do it in my house where no one's watching. So you said this, did you start by saying this was the best thing that he's done?

The best thing he could do, because I'm telling you, there's no such thing as bad publicity. And I think it kind of represents the two parties. Now, this is my simple mind. I could be totally wrong. Y'all are two geniuses in all this. But here's what I'm saying. He's made the decision that, you know what,

we've tried to combat this virus. The other side is blaming him for it all, which I think is an overreach. He didn't cause it. They're like, well, he handled it terribly. Well, that's easy to say when you have something that no one is familiar with. They're like, you know, 200,000 people have died on your watch.

Well, how in the world is this his fault? Yeah, I thought that when I watched the debate. thought it was this last debate. I'm like, like, if the, if the standard is that we cannot have a pandemic that results in any, like, what would, what would be an acceptable number? What would be that? Well, right. And so Trump, to his credit, said, well, one's too many. But, you know, and he goes through his little bit about he closed the airports and travel to China and, you know, whatever he did real early on. That's what they keep, that's their talking point on that. But what I was said about the dance is because now you have really you see their two philosophies you know Biden he's

basically in the basement with the mask on saying hang on and he's doing rallies where cars are coming by honking and then Trump is up there he just had the coronavirus two days later he's back you know back like nothing ever happened and doing a little jig on stage you know without a mask And I'm like, there's their, I'm just looking at it from a political view. They're saying this is what we're going with. We're moving forward. And the other bunch is saying we're shutting everything down. And so I'm saying, I think you have to pick something and go with it.

And I'm not saying that he's not aware that we need to wear masks. We need to try to stop it as much as possible. but, you know, we've been going through this for months. Yeah. Look, I'm just a man of C-plus prowess. C-plus man. You say, you ever worn a mask during this thing? No.

Well, you kind of wore your head. I got my headband in case they say you got a mask. I said, yeah, see it on top of my head there? You said, have you ever worn that? No. You said, have you ever, have you worried about this? No. No.

I meet people. every week, they come from all of the United States. They give them a little fist bump. Have you had coronavirus? Have you had coronavirus? No. I haven't either. I'm just saying...

I would say half the people I know have had it. Yeah, a lot of people have had it. I understand. And you say, at half the people you know or three-fourths of them, they probably wore masks and this and that. Well, I would agree. A lot of the most quarantine people I know got it.

That's Trump's point. Otherwise, his point is, look, We're without the mask. We're without the social. It's a microbe. It's a pandemic. It's a pandemic. You're like, it's a pandemic.

It's going to weed out some. Others are going to just go on by. You say, but to shut everything down and curl up out there in a lonely room somewhere, you're like, it's. It's no way to live. And tomorrow is going to be a day where I really believe that we're going to. And it's not about Trump. That's what I wish people would quit me. Like, look, there's a lot of people like myself.

I'm not a Trump. They have done for him. As the virus. What's what I'm saying? But it's like on both sides. Like, the election's not about him. It's about where are we moving as a society? And I think that's a great point, Jayce.

I mean, I think one side of, it's, I told you in the last podcast when I flew on, on, I won't say what's your airline, but I flew on an airline to get down here for this, for, you know, work for a few days. And, I mean, it was like the, the staff. was the airline was so rude and controlling and like almost like they were angry that that I was doing business with them like they were mad that I was there and I'm like what is this like they're chastity like they did their tone of voice I mean and and even restaurants that I've been in I almost feel like now I have to apologize for doing business at your restaurant and

like we're we're moving either to living our life or we're going to be completely controlled by by by you saw what happened in California this week I mean they're shutting down Thanksgiving did you say that Sure. The governor of California. So, I mean, some of this stuff, man, it's not, like there's some things worse than dying. The most off-said thing by the Savior of the world. The thing he said the most, from start to finish.

He's the beginning of anything and the end of everything. He said, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. So I look at it, my face in God. I'm a child of the resurrection. you're like, so if this some microbe comes along and takes me out, whether it does or not, my faith still in the person that can deliver me from death, from death. Don't worry.

You know, believe in me and you'll never die. You'll just depart your soul and spit from your body. You'll get your body back. I'm looking at it from a spiritual standpoint. I said, why are we going to run and holler? It's not going to do any good or hide. it's a pandemic. We just learn to live with it.

I don't run around begging to get it, but I don't run around in fear either. I just say, Lord, I put my life in your hands. If you want me to go 704 and then I'm out of here, so be it. I do think it's worthy of note that we've, they opened up early voting for like two weeks. It used to be just one day, like two weeks,

before and then one day a week before but now they're like you can vote for two weeks up until election day and so missy came in to vote well she went there Saturday and she's like the line was out to the road so she just kept going and she went today she's like well i got to go because she's going back to Texas. And same thing. I mean, I'm shocked that there's this much passion. I mean, it took her three hours. She sent me a text while ago.

She was like, three hours. So what would they have done? I mean, I'm not a huge fan of early voting because I feel like, well, that's a whole other discussion. But. Well, I'm curious on why you know. What does it matter? Because I think that it's ripe for fraud, with the ballot harvesting and the way that there's some of the stuff they're doing but now it's like

no there's an election day let's let's let's all be on that day but with that being said i mean I don't know how they would have handled the load I mean because you're right it's it's for two weeks straight there's been a line a mile long in every voting precincts which so we're yeah we're headed for the highest turnout in the last 110 years I mean I think right but say I was making the point that they did that so that the older people who are more susceptible to the coronavirus could have a chance where there wasn't such a big crowd. Yeah. But the problem is, well, there's so much passion, I guess, about voting.

I appointed the president. I met with him two or three times. Three times. I pointed him to Jesus. I asked God to put him back in. I said, I think he's the man. Lord, he's with you. He's with your people.

I watched him. He's with us. The Bible believers, the Bible thunders. the Bible thumpers. Donald Trump's on their side. He's pro-life. He doesn't kill children. If he did, I wouldn't vote for him.

Ever. Ever. You're like, hmm, he has a keen mind. I zero in on his policies, and I pushed personality out of the way. Hold on. Let me stop me here for saying, because this has been very controversial this week,

or last week, rather. A prominent pastor, who I respect a lot, wrote an article that said that personality is equal to policy in terms of its effect on the death culture, which I disagree with that. But what are your thoughts on someone who would say, you know, you look at this guy and he's arrogant, boastful, and they would say that his personality is just so off-putting and that it's, what would you say to someone who would elevate personality over policy? I would say what I wrote down in the front of my Bible, acumen, keenness, quickness in understanding and dealing with a situation, shrewdness, mental acuteness.

I said, Donald Trump has high acumen. He's smart, very smart. You say, I'm not worried too much about his look. He'll grow in the faith. I preach the gospel to him. I believe he believed it. That's what I believe. I believe God will put him in back in.

office. That's what I believe. We'll see. So I look at it like I separate his personality. I said he'll grow in that area. You know, it's a far cry when you first come to Jesus. You said, when you first came to Jesus, Phil, did you love your enemies? I said, I didn't even know what Agape love was. I didn't know what it was, Zach. Well, explain that because a lot of people don't know. Agape, which there's four different Greek words for love, right? Yeah, but before you tell us what they are, let's take a quick break. In lieu of the

argument about why are you voting for Donald Trump? I'm strictly voting for him because of his policies. He said he would do things, you know, fix the border, trade, get China out of here, quit buying their wrenches and tools,

their piece of the junk. So everything he's done, in my opinion, I've said, that's what I would have done. That's what I would have done. Yeah, the people in the circle, well, one of the circles I run, and I run in a few different circles, but I think they're well-meaning believers, but they would make the argument that Donald Trump's the way that he's handled him.

So there's things that I don't like. I didn't like when he came after Ben Sass. I love, I think he's one of the most righteous men in, you know, in D.C., and I didn't like the way that, I don't like the way Trump's come after him. But to equate someone's personality as being just as detrimental as someone's policies, I think is kind of ridiculous, especially when you consider, but you think about Marxism, for example, we mentioned that in the last episode. You got Mousa Deng, you got Paul Potts, you got Lenin, Stalin. These were all individual men, but what made them destructive was not necessarily a personality. It was the philosophy that they adhered to.

and there was over a hundred billion people murdered under communist regime. So ideas do have consequences. And so, I mean, I'm with you. I'm going with the policy and the platform of the parties. And here's why. It's pretty evident. Qualities like this, you're not going to be this way if you come out of a heathen background, which Donald Trump did, and I did, and a whole lot of other words did.

The Apostle Paul, he come out. out of my heathen background, going around killing Christians. So it takes a while to bless those who persecute you, bless and do not curse. You're like, what if you're in politics in the United States of America like Donald Trump? Hey, Donald, make sure you bless those who persecute you and bless them and don't curse them. You're like, he's young in the faith. He's a babe in the faith. Rejoice for those who rejoice.

don't be proud, be willing to associate with people of low position. He does a good job there. Do not be conceded. Need some work in that area. I do too. Well, look, don't repay anyone evil for evil. Yeah, that's a little room for a little help there, Mr. President. Look, be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

You're like, be careful to do what's right in the eyes of everybody. Can you imagine putting that into practice? Look, if it's possible, which means hard to do. As far as it depends on you, live at peace with all men. So you're elected as the presidents of the United States, and they get a cabal together where they're going to run you out of there with the FBI. They come up with false charges and spend 48 million. million dollars to try to get him on something.

And then they tried to impeach him. And you get to looking at it, I can see how a guy would be a little testy at times. He's young in the faith. Watch. Don't take revenge. Leave room for God's wrath. It's mine to revenge. I'll repay.

If your enemy, Mr. President, is hungry. Your enemy. We'll feed him. If he's thirsty, give him something to drink. watch don't be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good you read these texts my point is you don't learn to be that way in two or three years look my first three or four or five years in the faith i was all over the map but we don't we don't know if he didn't know what loving my brother was all about you see what i'm saying yeah but i don't know if we know if he was young in the faith or

I haven't heard him make a profession of faith, but whether he has or not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not coming into tomorrow. I'm not coming in. I'm not a mind reader. I preach the gospel to him. Jesus died for his sins, Mr. President. Yeah, but the point is you only have two choices. He was resurrected. I told him. You say, yeah, I think that's where I'm at. You have two, you have two choices tomorrow. I don't have to come in and be a Trump sycophant or someone who is like carrying the water. And I do think that, I do think that. that's a little dangerous with people that have come in and held him up to be, you know, something that he's not. And we need to be honest. Like, I don't know, I don't know what, but I know this. I know what the, I do see, like, to your point, I see a very well-defined contrast of what's about that happened. Yeah, that's all my point. Was even about the video, I'm like, of all the meetings that they've had,

here's what we do. And they say this point, you know, they did this whole deal about oil. where Biden's like all oil gone. And so they made a big deal and they're having all these meetings. What I'm saying is something that happened by accident is what I believe was the greatest idea that no one had,

which was it just represents that we've got to move on. I'm moving on. I'm feeling good. Let's go forward. And that kind of gives your take on a virus that really no one, knows about. Even the doctors came up and said,

well, we've got another surge. Let's do this and that, and maybe we can head it off. But the key word there is maybe. Nothing has seemed to work at this point. Being a parade of a virus. Yeah. It's not going to do really good.

I'm just saying nothing is working. We have a surge in new cases, but the death rate is plummeting. I know. But my point is, Because what you said about this all being subjective is true. I'm not sure how much this has helped or hurt. And guess what?

Nobody else knows. If the steps we took had not been taken, we might be talking about losing $2 million instead of over $200,000. We'll never know. How are we going to know? My point is, since we don't know, one side says it's all your fault. And the other side says, no, it's all your fault. Well, nobody knows.

It's like your two kids. It's like back and forth. That was my whole point there in the debate. Like, what number would be, what would we say? Man, at what point would the Democratic Party look at what Trump's administration say, man, you guys were successful because only this many people died? There is no, there is any number of people that died, guess what they would have said. They would have pointed the finger and they would have said, you failed.

And I think the American people, like all of us, need to start. We did take a crash course in critical thinking and just really our logic or fallacies. Like let's understand how what's being communicated to us. Yeah. We're biting on this red meat and we're not thinking this stuff through. But you know what they say the other side? They say, we're trusting science. The scientists say, the scientists say, the scientists say, the scientists say, I'm like, well, I trust in God. So where do I figure in to your, you're saying this, the reason I'm right is because I'm trusting science. Well, you don't want to put it, science or God, I mean, we can trust in science, too.

It's ultimately trust in God, but we use scientific method. I mean, Christians invented science. I agree. That's not really, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying they're like the reason that wearing a mask works is because of science. Well, what does that mean? The scientists said that's what works. Which scientists?

Who were they? Was it peer reviewed? What was the, you have a subjective thing is what I was getting. You have some cloth over. I have a mask. This is it. The first thing the microbe is going to hit on me, it's going to hit on the follicles, the hair.

Well, whether it can climb up through my nose than I, we'll see how long it lasts. But I got pretty good protection under my nostrils. I got it pretty good on my face. It won't hit me. It hit the hair. It's going to hit one of my hair. I'm thinking this helps a little bit.

It's a little bit of protection. But I'm seeing on the ballgame last night, Kansas City in them with the smoke coming out of the breath of these guys. And a few people in the stands, but you go anywhere when it gets cold. I was looking at the amount of moisture coming from human beings out their mouth. And it was like from me to Jace, just a cloud of, you know, and to get cold, it gets down to 30 degrees. They're just blowing it out. If you put a mask on, in my humble opinion, I'm not a doctor, and I've never played one on TV.

but when you're blowing air out of your mouth out of your lungs a piece of cloth is not going to stop the microbes well it depends there was a guy on the plane you're telling me it's going to siphon sane out they're like what does it hurt and i don't i don't disagree but what i'm saying is it's i haven't seen that big a difference one way or another that's because you didn't see which is my point that's because you didn't see the guy sitting next to me on the lane. He had on a mask, and he had on another mask on top of that mask, and then he had a face shield. That guy's good. The last time I was at an airport, I saw some people walking around like that. They had suits. It has matsies on. Oh, yeah. And they had masks. And then they, and but I thought, you know what, at some point, I just, I'm like, look, it is what it is. But when we talk about trusting in science, that only goes so far. If you, if you, if you trust. in science, for example, Phil, you could get in trouble with this, but if you trust in science when determining which pronoun you're going to use when you're talking to someone to refer to their

gender, you can get in real trouble in 2020. Because, so we don't, we do trust in science to a degree, but yet then we're talking about, well, you can determine your own gender. Well, whoa, whoa, hold on, but I looked at your DNA under a microscope. That doesn't matter here. So, so if we're going to trust in science, let's, but the problem is is that science, It has become politicized, and the fallacy is that we're assuming that science is purely objective all the time, and that's not the case. It's never been the case, even when— Because it's coming from scientists who are flawed people. Exactly, right.

And sometimes, sometimes scientists have political agendas. Sometimes scientists have biases. Sometimes scientists have something that they're trying—an agenda that they're trying to. to push. Tell me about it. And so I think that what folks on our side are saying, if you want to use a side, I don't want to put myself on a side, but someone who would disagree with the concept of trusting scientists. Yeah, trust, as Ronald Reagan said, but verify. And if you've proven something scientifically, we're all going to be like, yeah, we agree. But have you really proven this? Because you've told us a lot of other things that were scientific. Whatever the scientist said,

what do you do when a pandemic hits? You can't stop. With scientists or without them. What do you do? Well, the science I trust is, to quote a verse, is Colossians 116, speaking of Jesus. For by him all things were created visible and invisible. All things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together.

That's the science I trust. That's my, that's my, that's my system of why I keep rolling. Yeah. I don't have mask, skirts, facial shields, something for, they've taken, no, I'm just putting my trust in God and moving forward. To be fair, you, you socially distanced 40 years ago. I still was a barrier. Well, when the, well, let's, let's, let's take a quick break.

When the pandemic started, we did a quarantine series in the corner. quarantine with Phil for our Blaze subscribers, which, by the way, you can go to Unashamed, or what is it, blazTV.com slash Unashamed, get $30 off between that election day. And those are all still episodes still on the, but yeah, that was the big joke we told was that Phil's been quarantined before quarantine it was cool. I haven't changed anything except one thing. I'll learn it from Jace. I don't shake their hands. I'm meeting them. They're from all over the country. You do fist bump? I'm baptized. I just put my fist out. that but I was doing that before the coronavirus that's right and y'all called me

but it made sense to me I said well no use in just raking them off raking them off with their hand so a little fistball I got something I got something that they want pictures I say okay well we stand and we take pictures you know so you say well you've been doing that for the last six months yeah well I did it baptized probably 50 75 people I don't know but but you say so you had to grab them all right I'll tell you push them under the water but I thought, well, let's wash an awful lot of the coronavirus. Get him under water.

Wash your hands. I said, well, let's wash them the whole body. And Jesus said, go make disciples baptize them unless there's a pandemic. Don't touch him. He didn't say that. If you had said that, I would have do that. I said, well, a pandemic can't touch them. Every building that I've gone into, I wear a mask when I'm in a crowd of people.

Here's what's happened. I've done five events since the coronavirus has been out. I walked in with a mask on. I looked around. Nobody had mask on. I said, no, we're not doing mask here. Now, they've asked me to come do the event. And so I take the mask off.

They want pictures. I have not turned down one pitcher or one fist bump since the coronavirus started. Me either. I made a decision. Do I want to just, I thought, it's not worth it? If I get the coronavirus because of this, I'm going to do it. They want to take a picture without the mass. So I've done five events, five different cities.

I have taken hundreds, if not thousands of pictures right here with people. I've never gotten it. And I thought, I'm doing something stupid. So science says, and I haven't got it. I'm like, you know what? That's where I am. Yeah, but there's other people who have done that and got that. I don't think you could, I mean, it just is what it is.

Oh, I'm not saying, I should have gotten it, but I had to make a decision. And you might get it. I might get it in five minutes. But I had to make a decision. I'm going to go to this event. I looked around, and I'm like, well, they don't seem to care. So I'll go with it. Now, if they would all have a mask on, they said, we want you to wear a mask?

I would don't want a mask. I'm a team player. It's a decision that each person has to make. I think that that's the thing. I'm not knocking somebody for, I'm not knocking that guy that had the gear. on, I'm not going to do that. Yeah. So I'm willing to take the risk, and I'm willing, I mean, this may sound crazy, but I'm willing to roll the dice and go out without a ass. I trust in God. What I don't like.

I trust in God. But that's my business, right? I agree. Yeah. I mean, it's free. I trust in God. You say, why do you trust in him if you see a pandemic or not a pandemic, whether it's a pandemic or not? Because I know one thing. He raises dead men from the ground. that's the one I got my trust in so when you say well where does the where does the microbe fit in there I said he raises dead men from the ground so while we're here so while we're here we're gonna live I mean that's the thing you got it so here's my point I brought this up because of this I have I've had all these encounters in the in the past few months not really my choice I mean we signed the contract saying when I would come visit this location we did all this for the

coronavirus hit. Some of them postponed, but some of them didn't. Because I believe that my purpose, the bigger purpose for me on earth, is not who I vote for president, even though I'm going to vote for the guy who I think represents more godly principles. I don't care what his personality is like. I believe my purpose on earth is to share Jesus with other people. I'm not going to be able to do that unless I encounter other people. He said, well, you can do it on social media and all that. That's true. And I have.

But I think there's something about what Jesus did from person to person. And I wanted to read you something and get y'all's opinion. And we did John 14 last podcast, but I wanted to bring up a rather obscure verse. Right after Jesus said, don't you? you believe that I am in the father, this is John 1410, and the father is in me, the words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the father living in me who is doing his work. So that was his big claim and eventually got him killed. He's like, I am the father and the father is me. I'm here representing God Almighty. Then he says, believe me when I say that I'm in the father, this is

verse 11, and the father's in me, or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. So he's like, how would I have this power? I mean, you should at least believe, because I do have the power over atoms and molecules and healing. That's why we ever trust in. But then he says in verse 12, this is my point. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me, believe in he is the father, will do, what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these.

Now I'm going to stop right here. My question is, he's talking to his disciples here right before he goes to a cross, right before he's buried, right before his resurrection. What were the things that he was doing, that he was trying to say, if you have faith in me, you'll do what I've been doing. Now, I'll give you one because he had been doing miracles,

and we know later on that he passed the gifts, the power of the Holy Spirit to his followers, his disciples, his apostles, and they also did miracles. We have that recorded in the book of Acts. But I was wanting to get your opinion on what you think the other things that he was doing that he said if you have faith in me you'll do what I've been doing what are those things do you think up until this point I would say you would

love me I love the father I'm God and you will love each other that's what I would say what would you say that I went around making sure people knew I loved them but they've been watching him. And he's like... Well, I think that... Well, I wanted to make one... I know you meant this, but one clarifying point, he didn't say that I am the father. He said, I'm in the father. They're different persons, but they're... He's, I'm in the father, and the father's in me. So I think that... Good point. I think that what he was talking about was spiritual healings, and I think he was talking about what he was doing in his ministry. I think he was talking about he's bringing the kingdom here.

It's the unfolding of his ministry. It's the unfolding of the kingdom of God. And he's like, I'm leaving, but you're going to be doing this. And see, I agree 100%. That's my point. It's because what it is, is what it is, is that it's still progressing. To this day, it's still growing. Still growing.

But you have 13 chapters. Hold on. Let's take a quick break. You have 13 chapters leading up to this point. And all they've seen him do, he came up. there and called them. He started talking about the kingdom. But then he just has one encounter with crowds and individuals on a daily basis. He wasn't like going to some training facility and building a building and say, we're going to, you know, we're going to become the most powerful people owner. He just goes

from one person. You think about what happened in John 3. This religious leader comes to him. And what does he do he tells him he needs to be born again john four you got a woman with a lot of baggage who's from the wrong side of the train track yeah or dirt road track and what does he do he they have a situation where he teaches you all i love everybody it doesn't matter how much baggage you have then he runs up on a fellow in john five who's sitting around trying to be healed has this lifelong disease and even if you look at the details of the story he was he almost rebukes him for for not doing what it takes to try to get better i mean because he said do you want to get better because he's so comfortable there you get to john eight you got the woman

with all the baggage that they now have a trap for him what does he do he shows that you know look we all have a tendency especially with an election coming up to throw rocks for whatever reason because of our baggage. And he has this profound moment where he puts everybody in the same camp, their sins. And so my point is, our life here we are claiming to be in Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit of God.

My macro part of my life is having encounters on a daily basis where I introduce Jesus and the same principles he was showing his disciples. That's my whole existence. And you know where I got that idea from? You. Because when you came to Christ,

now your first three or four years, I'll admit, we're bumpy. But then one day you had an epiphany, you had an idea, you just said, I'm going to share Jesus with whoever comes down here. And people just kept showing up. Man, that's a great point, because I think what, in the context of, I always tell people this, anytime we get in the conversation about the Holy Spirit, and I've gotten a lot of conversations about what he does or as some people were doing for what it does. I'm like, oh, you've already got it wrong because he's a person. But I'm moving to John 14, 15,

15, 16, and 17 if we're going to talk about the Holy Spirit. And the reason why this matters to what you're saying is the encounter is what Jesus is ultimately claiming here is you've had an encounter with me and to the apostles at least, you have apostolic authority. You have, I mean, like, I've touched you. You're, like, you're speaking on my behalf. You're going to write the Bible. But what about the rest of us? Yeah.

And what he's saying here is that the spirit is going to come, and when the spirit gets here, he's going to indwell the believer. Acts chapter 2, we see that when the church gets kicked off, repent and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And what do you receive? The gift of the Holy Spirit. God moving in, living in the believer, 1 Corinthians 6,

all sins of man commits her outside his body, except for sexual sin because your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. So my body is the new temple. And so I think what he's getting at here of what he's been doing is he has been building the kingdom. He's been doing all stuff. And the way he says, you're going to be, you are going to be the kingdom. And I like this because, Phil, and I got this from you too, by the way, I think the

American church right now, I might get in trouble for saying this, but, man, it's like, it's about to change. we have an unhealthy and unbiblical view of authority. We really believe that there's these Christian gurus that we can get up underneath and then submit to these gurus. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. We are a priesthood of believers. But I don't have a problem with what you're...

The same person that you're reading in John 14, John. He said in First John, we... Because the question is, how do you know you know? Well, we know that we have come to know him, 1 John 2, verse 3, if we obey his commands. The man who says, I know him, but does not do what he commands as a liar and the truth's not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. this is how we know we are in him now you got to remember you'll do what i've been doing whoever claims to live in him jesus must walk as jesus did he goes on to say love it

i'm giving you not a not a new command but an old one and he starts talking about loving your neighbor and all the things jace mentioned whether it's you got this woman it's easy to turn on her and say she's some kind of whore or take her out but jesus took up for her you're like whether you're dealing with the homeless or the ones who say they ain't worth it i mean you're never going to make a difference in their lives now miss kays says why am i giving you all these food cards now she she asked them yesterday morning she got these food cards she gets to the homeless she said how do y'all know what do you know why am i giving you these food cards and every one of them they said because you love us yeah because you love us well I

only brought it up because I think it's a small that point but you say and look do you realize how hard it is to get people to know that you love them you have to prove it yeah let's do something where they know you love them let's take a break but look my whole point is you had something come up where the goal is to separate yourself from any human contact. Alienate yourself. Yeah. And I'm saying, okay, we're gonna do that.

And that's why I did 20, about 20, virtual events with young people on the internet. Now I had hundreds of people come, you said, well, why'd you do that? Because I'm like, my purpose on earth is to do what Jesus, Jesus did, which is having counters with other people and explain to people what God is like. And amazingly, I've done the same thing. One interview after the other. I'm not going to stop that.

So now we're months into this coronavirus. And I'm like, look, and the last place I went to, I had a bunch of kids there, and we didn't have a mask on. And somebody said somebody was hot about it. and then they fired something off, you know, like, I think we should all wear a mask. It's proven that there's a tiny percentage of children that have this disease and it kills them. I said, I'll put the mask up.

Whatever you, it's your event, whatever you want me to do. And everybody but one person said, no, we're not wearing the mask. But I said something that kind of stopped. It was like a wait-a-minute moment. I said, I just want y'all to know something. I'll wear the mask if y'all want to, because we want to do our part.

if that will help, okay, let's do it. I said, but let me be clear, I'm willing to risk my life for you to understand who Jesus is. And there was a 20-second pause because I was pausing on purpose because I was serious. Because my whole point, even we started talking about the election,

we talked about the coronavirus. virus. The bigger part of my life is doing this on a daily basis. To your point about the religious world, Jesus didn't wait on Sunday to do all this activity. No. He was going from in the middle of the night. Here we are the next day. He was at the well where every day was a journey to show who God was. Offer your body as a living sacrifice. To show who God is because I agree, every day was a journey to show who God is, and to share that God is a fellowship of life, which is the opposite of social distancing. I mean, John 14 is like, it's like, it's, it's John 14, the whole Bible is Emmanuel, God with us. It's not God away from us. It's God with us. And I think that you think, well,

what happens when we reflect something that's not the nature of God? What happens when society say, You know what? Let's social distance for about a year and just see what happens. They've been. You have riots. You burn down cities. You have suicides. You have drunkenness. You have drug use.

I mean, hey. There's some things, I'd say there's some things worse than the coronavirus. And I think that what's happened in culture right now, I think there's a direct connection between what we're seeing in terms of the divisiveness of culture, how divided we are now, just anger. Anger. We're not, because we're not in community anymore. I heard somebody telling about I haven't seen any.

it yeah they said there was a movie I think Russell Crow did or whatever it was called Unhinged and they were just saying that it's about what's going on as far as the anger and the social distancing they said I mean

it's a movie so whatever but they're getting these ideas now because when we alienate ourselves and we panic and we're fearful and we're divisive it you just we lose that connection because you weren't meant to be silo off

and so what happens is you silo off like we we can do community with people even that we disagree politically with you must admit Zach the left is scared to death of this particular virus but I would just simply say they're scared of death rightfully so

they need to be afraid I met a guy who worked at the ER in a small town and I was just asking him I was like what are most I mean I wasn't even thinking about what we're talking about, but I was like, what's the number one thing problem you see come in there?

I was more just curious of what the injuries was. And he's like, well, number one overall is some kind of drug problem trying to get drugs or their own drugs and they're being wheeled in. He said, but number two is young people with suicidal thoughts or, and I was like, well, I said,

well, you're living a small town. He's like, yeah, I said, how many are we talking about? a month. This is a small town. And he's like, I would say 100. I said a hundred? I could not believe it. Do you know what? But just in the past few months. You know what the one of the top questions? That's interesting. Yeah. One of the top questions we get. I don't know why why this is so. I think it may be the time period. Was this pre-coronavirus? No, this was since the coronavirus. He was saying a hundred a month. So we've been getting a lot of questions about suicide, particularly the

question of what, if you commit suicide, is that an automatic ticket not to heaven, you know? And I think that one of the ways I would respond to that is you get to heaven because you're in Jesus. And if you're in Jesus, all your sins are forgiven. But it is sad to me that there's so many people contemplating this because they feel isolated, they feel lonely, they feel a sense of shame. I think isolation and loneliness are some of the key aspects of this. But if we can, if we could really just understand what God has offered us to Christ and through the enjoyment of the Holy Spirit, I mean, we can walk with God and you're never alone. You're never alone. Never alone. But I think it comes back to, you know, the most inspiring

people to me on the planet are people who have every reason in the world to quit, but they don't. from, you know, I've, I've told this story many times. My heroes, you know, I have a short list. But some of them have been, you know, there's a woman that I'm thinking about right now who just as a kid was abused, sexually abused by multiple family members and just made one bad decision after another. And then a life of abuse, married the wrong guy, barely escapes with their life, gets married again, wrong guy again.

And this cycle happens, and then we have an encounter like we're talking about. Here's all this baggage. I share Jesus with her, and she cries, and I'm like, why are you crying? And she's like, well, I finally have a place where I can forgive. And she's talking about forgiving the people that have wronged her, which made me tear up. And I'm like, because she told her story to Missy and I, and I was like, of all the people, I would think has every reason to quit, it would be you. Look, she surrendered to Jesus.

You know, we baptized her, and she has been a rock. This is years ago when she came to the Lord. A rock the whole time. And I look at somebody like that as a hero, because I thought, now she should have just, if it had been me, let's just end this and move. Had every reason, I think God lined us up having this conversation and met, and thankfully I didn't drop the ball, and whatever I had going, I shared Jesus with her.

And now, look, that's someone that inspired. The author of John 14, the Apostle John, again, several years later, he writes two or three little books, and here's one of them. Anyone who claims to be in the light, but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light. There's nothing in him to make him stumble. You say, that's a lot riding on loving your brother. That's why when you mentioned, what would Jesus say, anybody who loves me, they'll do what I've been doing.

Well, here's an example. Whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. He does not know where he's going because the darkness has blinded him. That's a lot riding on how we look at each other. If you just look at the American Cultures Act and just pull back a little bit and all of what we've seen, since the pandemic. It was almost like we were doing pretty well. The economy is booming.

Wages are up. Trump was right. And you say all of a sudden here comes this pandemic. And I look up and what I've seen since the pandemic, the only thing I can gather is it scared them so much. They got in the streets. They burned. They looted.

They are shooting each other at a higher rate. They are bad-mouthed police get rid of all low and full. I've just watched the thing unwind, and I've said, and it all happened after the pandemic came. So I've tied them together, and I'm saying, I'm not going down that road. I think they're scared to death, don't know what to do, they have no hope, and they just turn on each other like ravaging wolves. They don't know where they're going because the darkness has blinded them. That's what John said, the apostle, when he wrote First John,

I write to you dear children because your sins have been forgiven. It gives them hope on account of his name. I write to you fathers because you've known him who's from the beginning. I write to you young men because you've overcome the evil. All these things about hope are listed down there that only comes from Jesus. I write to you, dear children, because you've known the father. I write to you fathers because you've known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men because you're strong.

The Word of God lives in you. You've overcome the evil one. Well, all those texts, they'll do what I've been doing. Well, if you look at him, you say, these went around there. Doing good. Just doing good. Get up and do good. Well, just put that up against what you've seen in the last six months in America.

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