Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 176 | Phil Says There's No Hope in the Democratic Party, Jesus' 'Test Runs' & God the Mind-Bender

Episode Date: November 8, 2020

Phil and Al tell hilarious stories of their limited aptitude for any technology that has more than a switch. They also get into Jesus' resume, understanding the mind-bending relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and why there's no hope in the Democratic Party. And Al points to a few parts of the Old Testament that could suggest Jesus had a few "test runs" before he was born to Mary.  -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we were going to use, going to have Zach on again on the podcast today, but he kept dropping out so much on his internet connection. I don't know if it's him or is it us or whatever it is. This is like you said last time, it's hard when you have to depend on technology for anything.

And the biggest problem is, I mean, like, Coles are a guy. He knows how to fix most. anything and make it work but I'm so bad I mean I always tell people when they ask me about the about technology I said well I'm I'm one step removed from dad and you know how bad that is so in terms of I mean I'm one step better than dad is but that's not saying much so if somebody's not there I just don't you know something if it doesn't just work like it's supposed to work then I'm just I walk away I'm like well I guess that's all of that I keep to the more simple things in life

you do and and as you said you have to have people around you because to be connected into the world today for what we do because we write books you know we you know we do media we do all these things to promote because you have to let people know you got a podcast you got a show but you have to have somebody that can rig it all up right i mean without that because if it's up just me and you it'd be pretty we'd be thinking if you didn't have dan i mean just think about all he does for all your media hits and all that stuff. It's the other day they said, well, you need to fall back an hour on your clocks.

You fall back an hour because of the government edict. So I go in there and I look at my clocks. They have batteries in them. And there's a little knob on the back. I just took them and I went, I turned it back an hour. Replace the battery because I don't do that,

but twice a year. So I put it. put another battery in, hung it back up on the wall. That I get. It says right now, 930, I'm going to turn it back to 8.30. Got a new battery, hang it back on the wall. That I can do with no problem. But I told Dan, I said, well, go out there and dial back my clocks in the truck.

Well, it was about several minutes of button punching at the right sequence. And he's doing this. He clicking on the click and click. and I'm looking at it, and directly I see it, it falls back. But it took them a little while and, you know, a little turning knob, pushing buttons. I mean, it was a code that if you didn't have it written down somewhere, there's no way if you didn't have a booklet. You would know. What was the time when you were trying to make your truck where the lights wouldn't stay on or something?

I wanted to have the capability of something pretty simple. just to turn the lights out on my pickup. Turn them off. I'm riding out over there, dusky in the evening, so I'm just going to ease out with no lights on. So I'm just going to disturb the creatures. So I'm looking around. I turn.

I'm looking for off on the dashboard where it says lights. So I turn it in every direction. The lights stayed on. So I told the guy with me, I said, what's with this? how do you turn the lights off? I don't want the lights going out. And he said, well, there's a code.

And I said, there's a code to get the lights turned off. I said, well, you know what it is? He said, no. I said, well, how am I going to turn the lights off? So he says, well, I like to find out what the code is. I said, well, is it written down in the pamphlet in the glove compartment? It's a book this thick about the operation of this particular vehicle. But no go.

But no code. No code. He said, no, it's not in there. I said, well, where is the code? He said, some of them guys uptown that drive this particular vehicle will probably know what the code is. Well, three days goes by. Still can't turn my lights off.

And he calls me up. And he says, are you in your truck? I said, yeah. He said, shut it down. And I'm going to give you the code to get your lights off. I shut it down. I stop in the middle of the dirt road over it. Put it in park.

He said, turn the switch off. I turn the switch off. I'm going through the code. He said, take your left foot and push your emergency break down one click. I said, do what? He said, take your left foot and push your emergency brake down one click. And when I did it, it went click, click, click there's two of them. He said, nope, start over again.

So I released the emergency break. One click only. One click. I pushed my left foot on the emergency break, one click. He said, now crank your truck up. And I cranked it up, no lights. I said, I know this is a crazy question. But this is a Japanese made in Japan, rig.

I said, who devised a code whereby you had to stop the vehicle, push your emergency breakdown one click? And then turn your engine back on and you wouldn't, who come up with that? I said, they were from Japan, whoever was. I said, I'm not getting it. Whatever happened to on and off. That's right. One button. On, you've got lights, off, you turn them off.

I'm just saying, I'll. It's changed. And now, you know, you've got all these varying degrees because you and I drive the same. We drive a Ford. And so most people leave it on auto, you know, that way they come on by themselves. You know, as soon as it gets dark enough, there's some sensor in there, and your lights come on. But it's, I mean, you're right. It gets more and more complicated.

Of course, now they try to make things where they go off completely, which I kind of like, because the old days you'd come out and you left a door a jar and it'd drain your battery, you know, because, you know, but now they just, it's an automatic shutoff. If you left something on within about, I don't know how long it is, but they just go out on their own. So computers are basically, but the problem now is you got a computer running your vehicle. There's a computer running your truck and my truck, all these different things. I'm at the ground level part, and I'm quick.

restening the worth of computers. Someone says, oh, it's a way greater society. Well, I'm looking around at our culture. Yeah. And I'm thinking, I'm not sure that it was the greatest way to go. Well, the problem is now it's created the need that you have to have IT people to fix it. You can't do anything about a computer. I can't do anything about a computer.

Same thing with your phone. So here's the little trick they do with that. So you see, this is a phone. So this is a, I think mine is an eight or whatever. I mean, every year there was a one and there was a two. So it's an eight. They just keep upgrading it and setting a new one. So what they do is then they send you, they want to download the upgrade on my eight to be able to handle stuff like an 11 does.

Where it scrambles your phone has happened two or three times. And I get, there's probably a way, somebody would probably send an email to not let it do that. Because what happens is this phone is fine, but you know how much this cost? This right here? I'd be afraid to ask. $1,000. Yeah. See, I'm not.

And I don't know what, Cody. Do you know what the 11s are now? The most of it, this is probably more than 1,000 because I paid $1,000 for this three years ago. Every year they come out with a new one, they send data to make this worthless. I don't have one. So what am I, what am I missing? Well, you're missing, you know, text, emails, internet, Twitter. So I seem to be functioning fairly well without that.

Well, as long as you have. me around or Dan or Cole, you know, that you can do that. You have the luxury of having a team of people that are connected to the outside world. If without that, you would just, you'd be down here doing your thing, but you wouldn't be out there doing that thing. So that's the deal. But look, I get disgusted with it too, because I just want the phone to work. But I don't want to have to. Plus, I don't mind if you're going, if you're up to all that, I don't mind if you're doing it. Well, right. I'm just saying, I've chosen. those are not to do that.

And you'll say, we'll be in the upline. You'll say, hey, somebody get on the black box and tell me, see what that front is. See what that front is. So that's information, see, that you find useful. Weather information. Exactly. Because you can't watch a weather channel when you're in the duck line, right, unless you have the black box, which of course we do. So somebody, you see this shirt, Deb?

Yeah. Hold your nose and watch this. Yeah, and it says John 11, 39. So a few weeks back when we were in John, I preached that. And so there was that scene where Jesus is about to raise Lazarus. You know, he walks out there and he says, all right. And he just had this moment with Martha.

You know, he says, you know, she says, I believe anything can happen. You're the son of God. You know, she has this great affirmation. At the resurrection, I'll see him again. That's right. And so then they walk out there. And she just made this, had this great faith moment. And then he says, all right, roll that stone off of there.

You're fit to see something, you know. And so before they do it, Martha steps in and says, oh, Lord, you don't want to do that. I mean, he's been in there four days. He's going to be ripe. You know, I mean, you're in the Middle East. So it was funny because she had just said he could do anything. But then in the moment of it, you know, she was like, this is going to, this ain't going to be good, which I found was interesting. And so, you know, I said, he doesn't say this, but I said in the sermon, I said, he looked at her and then said, hey, girl,

hold your nose and watch this, you know, because he was about to raise lives from the dead. So I said that in the sermon then I mentioned it on the podcast. So there was a clothing company, and I can't remember their name, sadly. I'll let you know when I find it. It's in Russellville, Arkansas. And so they sent me a picture. They had this saying on a hoodie and a t-shirt, which I was like fired up because you got a lot of sayings from Duttony Dynasty that made it on the T-shirts, happy, happy, happy.

I mean, they made a gazillion dollars off of your sayings, you know. I, and it was good. And so I was like, I've never had a saying on a shirt. So to this company, I know you guys listen to the podcast, I thank you for that. And I will mention to our audience, once I remember what it is so you can get you one if you want one. So I was pretty fired up about it. And it was, it's a cool saying. Hold your nose and watch this.

You know, we talked about the rednecks, hold my beard and watch this. Yeah. Jesus was like, hold your nose and what's it. Even though he didn't really say that. But anyway, I want to let people know about that. When you saw it from the last one. And so Jace is still sick. So he's not going to be with us today.

So today it's just me and you, Dan. Hey. Just, you know, it's just like the old days, you know. We first started the podcast. The audience doesn't realize this, but we were, uh, Jace wasn't in the picture early. And so we actually recorded some podcasts, um, with Dan, with me, you and Dan. And it was really interesting because Dan, you know, he's kind of a man of a few words.

He doesn't, he doesn't, he won't talk your ear off for sure. and uh but he would always like i loved him when we were doing a podcast with him because he was kind of like i imagine the audience would be listening and he would ask the questions that people would ask i felt like but you know you and i pretty much carried the the biblical water on the podcast even though dan's super smart about a lot of things about the bible but he just like said he's not quite as he's pretty smart he's chosen to forego marriage yeah i know he's like i thought well One thing's in your favor. It's cheaper.

And what's the verse? It'll be cheaper if you go along then. And what's the verse you always read about what Paul said about the many trouble? People who marry will face many troubles in this life. And he said, I want to spare you this. That's right. So he was just saying, giving you the pitfalls of marriage, wives, kids. And, you know, you look at it logically.

You say, you know, he was right. He was right. And he was speaking at a time, especially under severe persecution for the first-ed-charging. I enjoyed marriage and the children and all that. There you are out. I'm glad I was married and we got the kids. I sure am glad because- But I don't hold it against the man if he says, I think I won't go down there.

Well, you think about the two most influential men in the history of the world, in my opinion, were Jesus and Paul. I mean, Paul wrote half the New Testament. He was, you know, and he was the emissary to the gentleman. of them. And both of them, we're single. We're single. And so it's funny because you and I are both elders at our church.

And, you know, first thing, you're going to hire somebody. And again, it's practical, like it's going to work with teens or kids or college age kids. And the first thing we say is,

are they married? Because we feel funny about putting a single guy in with a bunch of young women, you know, because, you know, there's been problems in churches before. But then I always come back to the idea that, you know, Jesus and Paul were single.

And so, really, you can't hold it against people that don't want to get married. Of course, in the South, what happens is the women, like Lisa and all, they put so much pressure on these singles because they're like, oh, you got to get married. I mean, have you thought about this one? Have you met this one? Have you, you know, they're always trying to hook you up, you know, all these.

It's mostly the middle-aged women trying to hook up the young bucks, you know, with, you know, their daughter, their granddaughter or whatever. But you're right. I mean, in fact, earlier, he and I were moving a couch, and I said, this was a perfectly good couch. But Lisa's like, well, I don't, you know, I don't like this. couch. I'm going to get another couch. I'm so like, well, this couch is fine. It came with the condo with the, nope, I've got to get another couch. So I know I got

to live with her, just like you with Ms. Kay. If she's not happy, then I'm not happy. So I'm like, all right, get another couch, you know, just don't, you know, don't spend too much money on it. So we bring the couch and we all floated it, Tony and Philis. So I'm telling Dan about it while we're moving it. And I'm

like, well, you know how women are and Dan said, no, bro, I just, I really don't. I don't really know about when. I said, well, you're right. I said, well, let me just clue you in. You got a perfectly good couch here for sitting on that I'm not sitting on anyway, but that wasn't good enough if we had to get another one.

That's what women do. Let's take a break. Yeah, so Dan, he may be the smartest of all of us possibly. So we've been talking to that about a few other thoughts I wanted to talk about from John 15 and 16. Really an amazing text, and there's a lot of rich stuff in there. and we talked about with Zach last time and kind of brought in the idea of our own personal lives and Jesus' testimony in us.

It says right on the very first verse, and I'm sure you may have talked about that when you and Zach and Jase were doing a podcast, but he says I am the true vine, which I thought was interesting, because that implies that there will be other vines that aren't true. You know what I'm saying?

That is correct. So the old Oprah deal that, you know, you have your truth, I have my truth, and then all truths. Plus, they widen it. It's hollow, it's called in the Bible, hollow, be careful, don't get tangled up in hollow and deceptive philosophy. Right. Because one of their favorite lines is, we have our group here, and this is our truth,

and their truth is they have fixed it. so that we have a particular narrative that you must hold on to, or you're not a part of the group anymore. Right. So they have a false narrative that they insert. Right. And unless you agree with every point of our narrative, you will be thrust out of here.

That's right. That's why he said, I'm the true vine. Don't get tangled up and that kind of stuff. Well, exactly. And another thing... Because the result is wickedness and evil and perversion and I don't know what all. Well, you got these, they're colored.

Get hooked up to the wrong vine. Some vines, Al, are poison oak and poison ivy. Some vines, if you rub your head against them, you will break out and it will peel the hide off your face. However, some vines have wonderful musky dines growing on them and grapes that we make jelly from. The trick is to know the difference in which vine you are, fooling with. That's right. You see what I'm saying?

That's right. Some you will have sweetness come out of it and some is agony. Well, like you. I've never had poison, Ivia, poise and oak. Evidently, some people for some reason are immune to that. Yeah, me too. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not urgent to it. But a lot of vines out there are really, they can hurt you.

Oh, yeah. And as you described before, if you're using the bathroom, if it's an outdoor toilet situation, if you get a hold of the wrong, uh, Wiping. Stay away from the vines because you might not know the difference because the wrong vine there in that particular area can be caused you a lot of, I will characterize it as mischief in the lower, lower, lower reasons of your body. So you go with the trees and the trees you select, go with the oak and you can't go wrong. Oak trees.

Overcup. That's wording, the anal mischief is what he's called that. Yeah. I don't miss you. What's his name? A taxes is right about you, Dad. You have some sayings that are almost, they're ancient, you know, in their ability to describe it. That's pretty good.

Anyway, so he says, I'm the true vine, and my father is the gardener. And then later, he talks about the Holy Spirit being the counselor, or some of the other way, the advocate, it may be in yours. The comforter is what the King James says. And we talked about it last time. The best word, actually this closest to the Greek word paraclete for the Holy Spirit, is a helper, which I really like that. So I found it pretty fascinating, the sort of the role that you see here in this, because he's, for the first time, really, he's using a metaphor with the disciples, but he's going to talk straight.

Here's what to expect in this section. And he's using this metaphor about the gardener and the vine and then this helper that's going to come along, which is actually the fruit bearer, because that's where the fruit comes from is the Holy Spirit. And then we're the branches that are grafted in. But I want to talk a little bit today, that about the Godhead itself, because people have a confusing time,

trying to figure out the difference between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, you know, because we read about them quite a bit. If you go back to Genesis, what is it, Genesis 1, 28, that says let us make man in our image. So when they were creating the universe and then us, basically they pluralized, Moses pluralized the Godhead from the very beginning. It was an us in an hour.

But that's confusing to people because it's hard for, when they're like when they talk about themselves, when Jesus will talk about his relationship with the Father, it doesn't seem like they're one. It seems like, you know, God's the Father. over here and I'm down here. When he became a man, did he give up his divine being? So there's a lot of questions about that.

So I thought we should talk about it a little bit today because he makes it clear in this text. He says, look, the father is in me and I'm in the father. And he told them that quite a bit. Whatever one needs to remember is I like Colossians chapter 2. In Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form. At one time, it was only a glimpse because, like the Hebrew writer said,

in the past, God spoke to our fathers at many times in various ways, but he makes the comment, but in these last days, he's spoken to us by his son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory, Father and Spirit, incorporated into the Son Jesus. The Son is the radiance of God's glory in the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word. In other words, so everyone needs to remember when you talk about Father, Son,

Spirit being one entity. In Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form. And here's an incredible statement. And you, we have been given fullness in Christ, who's the head over every power and authority. So in some way, he's the representative of all three, Father, Son, and Spirit. They are. He is. He is. is one. It's a mindbender, which I think it a little too, a little too much of a mind bender in that I don't think men could have dreamed this being up. Right. I think you're exactly right. Let's take a break. And so from that verse in Genesis, the way I try to explain it to people is that whenever he said he made us in his image, so what are we made up of, basically three parts?

You know, we have body, soul, and spirit. I mean, we get that from the scriptures as well. Paul, Paul used that phrase. And you need, you have to have all three of those to be complete, right? I mean, your spirit is your animating force. Your body is the functionary that gets you around. Your body is a temporary tent to begin with. It's just before you stay for a while.

Exactly. And your soul is that part of your nature that reaches out to God. Plus, don't worry about those who can take your body out, who kill your body. That's right. Because your soul and spirit's for ones that counts. That's exactly right. worry about the one that can get those. Because the body ultimately is going in the ground.

And when you stand at a casket and you look at a body, a dead person, a family member, whoever, I mean, their body looks like it always did, but they don't have a life force anymore. It's not there. And there's no soul there. They're just flesh. And that flesh goes in the ground and it goes back to earth ultimately. Yep. And so you're talking, you know, human history, that 5,000 plus years of people.

die. From dust you came, the dust you'll return. So people worry about that. They're like, oh, you know, we get a lot of questions about cremation and different things like that. The Apostle Paul referred to it as a groaning. We groan, wishing

to have our heavenly dwelling, our glorified body. Right. But in that interim, that physical death gets in the way. He said, meanwhile, we groan and we are a little bit perturbed.

We know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, he said, don't worry about the ones that can do that. We have a building from God and eternal house in heaven not built by human hand. Meanwhile, we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling,

because when we're clothed, we won't be found naked for while we're in this tent, you and I are in our tents right now, temporary bodies, our soul and spirit are living here. We grown, on in a burden because we do not wish to be unclothed. We don't want our life force.

We don't want to leave our body because we're used to our body. It's always been this way since we were born. But we want to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling so that what is mortal, what you and I have at this point, may be swallowed up by life. It's God who's made us for this very purpose. And what's this? has given us the spirit as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come. That's why it's so critical to be born of water and the spirit, a spiritual rebirth. Therefore, we're always confident as long

as we live at home in the body. We're away from the Lord. We live by faith, not by sight. We're confident and say, check this out. We would prefer to be a way. away from the body and at home with the Lord. Well, when your body is in the cemetery, you say, well, they're gone. No, their soul and spirit. We would prefer to be with God because of one simple reason. We know we made it. We know we made it.

So that's why Jesus said, don't let physical death scare you. You believe in me. You'll never die. Right. So you look at that, you know. so we make it our goal to please him. Watch is, whether we're at home in the body, check us that out or away from it.

By the way, this is 2nd, Corinthians 5. Whether we're at home in the body or away from it, we make it our goal to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment's heat of Christ. Judgments in the end, that's why you're happy. You say, okay, I'm growing in a little bit because I have to leave my body. That's weird.

But just think about it like this. You're at home with the Lord. you know you made it and you're like, well, when he comes back, here comes the resurrection of the bones and the flesh is being knitted together in another body, the glorified one, which will last forever, no tears, no pain, no crying.

You're like, it's a pretty good deal, how? Oh, yeah. It's a very good deal. And, you know, Lazarus experienced it in John Levin for four days. He was somewhere. That's right. I so wish somebody would have asked him

about that and wrote it in here. Me too. Because, yeah, did he just, were you asleep? Was it sole sleep like we talked about? Did you actually? All we get from Paul is we've grown a little bit about that. That's right. We don't like that interim in that.

No. But all I can say is it could be worse. That's right. Yeah, it's the only way we're getting back. The other option is you say, well, we die and we fall asleep. No time passes and you close your eyes, whether it be for an hour or. our hundred years. You close your eyes, look out, and look, and you open them, and you're like, whoa,

glorified body, and here we go. I love it. You were reading 2nd, and 1st Corinthians 15, 51. Paul said, listen, I tell you a mystery, we will not all sleep, which we've talked about that term falling asleep, but we will all be changed. Yep. So the ones that don't die when he comes back, they'll just be changed. In a flash, it says, in a flash.

it says, and a flash in the twinkling of an eye. How fast is that? At the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound, and I mean, I'm just so anticipating what that's going to sound like. If God blows a trumpet. This is beyond a band trumpet. Yes, right. I mean, I've heard some really good trumpet players, but when the Almighty has a trumpet blast,

then it could be from an hour. Everyone's going to hear that one. Everyone's going to hear it. For the trumpet, we'll see it. sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed, for the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable. That's why this body is called the tent. That's right.

Because now he's taking it a step further and say, look, you have another dwelling, but this won't be a temporary tent. This will be where you'll be in your glorified body from now on forevermore. And then he says, and the mortal with immortality, when the perishable have been clothed with imperishable. and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will be true. Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where old death is your victory?

Where oh, death is your sting? And then he describes that the sting of death is sin. Power of sin is the law, because it shows you're a sinner. But thanks be to God, he gave us victory through Jesus Christ. Boy, that's a big hope right there. And I will just alert the audience. It's a great thinking here, great thought went into this. How in the world, how could mankind have dreamed up that one?

That's right. And the idea that God has made up with three components, there's no doubt the father is, how would you put it? He's the authority even inside the Godhead, because Jesus said it over and over. And so they're one, but then that's the dominant force. So then he's got the son who knew from was Ephesians 1 before the creation of the world and the universe. And think about it, Al. Just the short, here comes God in flesh. Correct.

Didn't stay but 33 years. Oh, that's not long. That's right. So that's the only glimpse. He's the image of the invisible God. and he's walking on earth in a human body saying, yeah, they're going to kill me. I'm going up to Jerusalem, and they're going to rally up against me.

They're going to kill me with the hip of wicked men. But in three days, I rise from the dead. He said it matter-effectly. He didn't say, no, guys, I promised you all you all there. No, he just said, this is what's going to happen. Well, that's what happened. He is. So he was raised from the dead like death was nothing.

Yeah. And that's really the only hole that Satan had. Let's take another break. The Bible talks about a lot, the fear of death. And you talked about it, even as Christians, it's a groaning. You know, we're not just running to jump in the ground. That's right. We're made to live. We have to groan a little. But this is what makes Christianity so different from all the world's religion. I mean, no other religion says that God came in flesh and was a human being. Their God was always separate. There was always some prophet or some whatever. You know, that tells the story. But Christianity, God became one of us. It was the only way to say this. None of them told this story. None of them told this story. So this whole deal about we all got our truths.

And, you know, it's like I heard it described like a mountain, this universal thought. It's like a mountain. And all the roads that go up the mountain, they all lead to the top. And so, you know, there's Islam and Hinduism and blah, blah, blah. All these are roads, but they all wind up at the same place. You know, at the top of the mountain, you know, we're all saved. Not true. What about death?

What about death? How are you going to get the body back out of the ground, which is Christianity? So this was the last of the I am statements, and we made mention of them quite a bit. And I wanted to reread them just all together, because we're here in John 15. This is the last one in the book of John. But listen what he said throughout the whole book. Of course, today is I am the true vine. I am the Messiah.

I am the bread of life. I am from above. I am the eternal one. I'm the light of the world. I'm the door. I'm the son of God. I'm the resurrection, the life. The resurrection and the life.

I am the Lord and Master. I am the way. I am the truth, the life. And now, of course, the true vine. And then another one, he said, before Abraham was born, I am. Just to put it bluntly, no one ever has that as a resume. That's right.

That's exactly what I thought when I typed all that. You're talking about a resume. That is a resume. And then look, then he threw in four bonus ones also to John in Revelation, because you remember John wrote Revelation out of the vision he had. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end,

the first and the last, I am the living one. I'm the beginning of, I mentioned before a couple of weeks ago, I'm the beginning of anything that you can think of, and I'm the end of everything. You're like, you're who? And he, I am meaning, yeah, Abraham, I was there.

I saw Abraham. I talked to him. We raised him up. We announced the gospel in advance to him. He's telling it like it's just nothing to it. Because he was out, until he became a person, he was outside of time and space with the father. and with the spirit.

Yep. So, because at this point, he didn't have a body. So in the Old Testament, I kind of look at it like, if Jason describes it this way, too, so you got the Old Testament before Jesus, he was still there. He was still functioning, operating. And I even think. He was at the, he's coming. Right.

He's coming. I even think, and this is conjecture, because I have no way to prove this for sure. But some of those scenes that happen, I think about when Shadrat, Meshach, and Abendigo were inside that fiery first, and all of a sudden a fourth person showed up. And Nebuchadnezzar said, how many did you put in there? We put three in there. Right. He said, I see a fourth one walking around.

He looks like a son of God or something. Right. So I always think, you know, I wonder if that's Jesus was just, you know, giving us a little glimpse, you know. I mean, you see the, or the guy that shows up and negotiates with Abraham for Sodom and Gamora. Somebody, you know, he called him Lord. Yeah. So, I mean, it may have been an angel. I don't know.

But I'm just wondering if Jesus might have had a few test runs in the Old Testament just to come down here and check it. that, I don't know. But you know, you think about it. So the father, the Almighty Yahweh, you know, all the names for him that you see in the Old Testament, he pretty much ran the show. He was directly speaking to people. He was the main part of the Godhead that was functioning for those thousands of years of Hebrew history. Then Jesus shows up and becomes a person. I mean, literally takes on a body. And think about it, he was a baby. Basically, the Jews, their era was they'd just never seen anyone like it. Right.

I mean, he had them baffled. They had a hard time saying, well, a carpenter's son. It just wasn't the way they envisioned it. That was it. They envisioned it being him coming out of the cloud. I mean, he's walking along, got two legs, two feet. You're like, you're what? That's why there's a lot of times.

I looked at it in my concordance, and I noticed that the word from just things, he said or things he did. The word keeps coming up astonished. They were astonished. They looked at that storm and they said, good night. Even the wind and the waves obeyed. He has calmed it down.

And they would say, who is this man? That's right. It was his divine nature flowing out of his physical nature, because he was both. I mean, like you said, the whole time he was here, he never lost his divinity. I mean, when he was a baby, he said, well, he was just a baby. He was still God.

I know that because when he took a little trail off from his family, Mary and Joseph, they're out there going around the city. Well, they look around there and they get to where they're going. They say, where's Jesus? Well, they had already left. Where's Jesus? He was a whole day. We got a lost kid.

He's 12. Well, they go back to town and they're scrounging around trying to find out what our kid ran away. We don't know what happened to. So they walk up there and there, Jesus is. sitting there with some of the greatest religious minds on the face of the earth. That's right. And they're all astonished at what he knew. And I'd have read it until the day, and Mary, when they found him, and they said, what are you doing?

He said, oh, I've got to be about my father's business here. Yeah. And didn't you know I beat my father's house? And the Bible says, Mary held that deep in her heart. Yeah. When she saw that, she said, I think I got one here. I'm going back to that birth. That's right.

When he said, no, there won't be any sex here, but he's coming out of you. Right. Well, when she saw that, said she held that close to her heart. That's right. She treasured. She said, good night. He's God. He really is God.

He is God. That's right. Pretty cool. She had been told that. But, you know, the thing about it, he's just a baby and he's a little boy. I mean, she bore him. Yeah. So she went to the pain and agony to get him here.

That's right. Born of a woman. Yep. But she knew she was children, but it began to fall together. pretty quickly. He's a kid, and they're saying, I don't know how this little old kid come up with all that knowledge.

But he was, you know, quoting scriptures like, of course, he wrote it. You can imagine? Can you imagine God explaining the scriptures to a bunch of people who? Oh, right. And then they have it totally wrong? And the one who wrote it

is standing there talking with him. And he kept telling him, he's like, you don't know what you're talking about. You're ignorant. He said so many times he said over and over again. Let's take another break. Yeah, I'm with you, Dad. I think that's the idea that the God, as a young boy, but he knew, because by saying that, he knew.

I wrote down on my little notepad. I'm going to put a book together with some of these things in it. And I wrote on my notepad, Jesus, the boy wonder. That's right, exactly. But look, you show, this was what I was talking about the Godhead. You saw his nature of being able to submit, because he submitted to his parents. I mean, he was like, okay, let's go, you know, sorry about that. You know, whatever happened that he still submitted himself to him.

He could have said, hey, I'm the son I got here. You can go back to wherever you're going to. I'm going to. I'm going to stay right here. He didn't. And he went through the various features of a human being. Think about it. He, in the beginning, they, father, son, holy spirit, gathers up a little dirt and you have, you have. have, you have, I'm trying to, to get the kind of sound.

That sound is the coming together. But there were some, there were some atomic movement. That's right. To, you've got, you've got human beings designed. He goes through the process of using the bathroom and taking food, taking a leak. You're like, you got God and flesh over there. He's standing out talking about these religious. people, and they're thinking, where in the world do you come up with all that? You just imagine

from his view while he was there talking to people, they couldn't even, well, they couldn't comprehend him. Right. But you know, he's the first born over all creation. No one like him has ever come or been one like him since. You say he was, he was talking about a root out of dry ground. He just showed up and they're like, whoa. Yeah, there's a lot of Old Testament prophecies about it and it calls him a vine, a branch. The idea of this coming out, all of a sudden, it's looking toward it. And you know, what's interesting is the only time he really seemed to get irritated, I mean, he did a little bit with the disciples because he said, come on, guys, you know,

we've been talking about this three years, but, you know, he'd get a little bit, but he loved him. And then he had compassionate on people. You remember that scene where he's coming into Jerusalem, you know, we talked about that, where he's the triumphant entry. and it's all to fulfill the prophecy. But, you know, one of the versions, I think is Matthew, says when he did that, he looked at the city, and he was able to look ahead 40 years to 80-70

about what was going to happen to all those people. They was just a bloodbath. And most kings, all of them, that either had the prancing horses. Oh, yeah, that's right. They'd have been, oh, it had been a little wagon on the back and a chariot or a chariot.

And they'd have come up there and the dogs would have been prancing big stud horses. He comes riding up on a donkey. A donkey. A foal, a coat of a donkey. Yeah, and again, to fulfill privacy. But I love it that in that moment,

that was his moment, you know, and they didn't really know because they all scattered. Everybody that said you're the Messiah, the next day, you know, they're all gone because once he gets killed. Only God in heaven. I've got about seven or eight places

where it said God laughs at those who scoff at him. He said, he laughs. Right. While these nations of Psalms won where they rage in vain against. He said, you better be careful how he treat him. He said, his anger can flare up in a moment. That's right. And he said, you know, misery can come your way in a hurry.

Right. Well, you just think about it. He's talking to the very human race he created, walking down dusty roads. You're like, man. That's right. To walk around on earth, the invisible God that created, The cosmos out. Yeah.

And he, you know, and he wept when he was coming in, according to Matthew, because he looked at, saw all those people that he loved and came to say. He laughs at the wicked. He wept over his own people. Like humans do. That's right. And you're like, that's weird. Yeah.

It shows you the emotion of it. God can laugh and he can cry. That's right. And he has many times. And he can be angry. So you got the father from the Old Testament, kind of the forefront. Then Jesus comes. He's here.

Only 33 years. And only three years doing his ministry to reveal himself. So, you know, 30 years. It's a short time to turn the world upside down. Short time. And then so Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, that's his era. That's the description of what he came here to do. And then you get to Acts through Revelation.

Then it's the Holy Spirit stepping up. Yep. So the links are really interesting in how God worked it out where he would finally be in you and in me. Oh. I mean, think about the steps. that went through. If you could have had the story of Jesus and you could have been transported, I've said this before, to the great philosophers of old, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, and they're all

pontificating. If you could have just, at that time frame, they were there. This was 50 to 3 or 4, 500 years before Jesus showed up. if you could have got their information, a guy like me could have gone down there, if they could have transported me if I was on the earth, to talk with those great philosophers and said, guys, let me explain to y'all what's going to happen in the next 200 years. God's going to show up in flesh, and he's going to die on a cross for all the sins of the world.

You're our star if you ever seen some? Yeah, I'm a philosopher, but I have sin. Yeah, that's what I thought. I would pay to watch this. If you had preached the gospel, somebody with a C-plus average, if they could have been transported to talk to the great Greek philosophers just prior to Jesus showing up, they would have been blown away.

They would have said, what? You know, the Father's son, Holy Spirit, and one B? They would have said, what in the world is this maniac talking about? You say, you all think to see this, about $100, $200,000. years from now. Here's what's going to happen. Y'all better prepare yourself. You know, because they're, you know. Because you look, Al, they didn't have a clue unless they had really studied the Old

Testament, which they hadn't. You know, the copies, just think about getting to the great philosophers. No, they just couldn't figure it out. Well, they had reasoned, you know, out of that era, the reasoning was they did understand we're made up a different thing, but they said intellect versus body and the flesh. So what they said was the intellect is where it's at. They were great thinkers of their time. But when Jesus showed up, did he ever blow them out of the water?

Exactly. You want to know about good, evil, life, death? Well, watch me. And you'll get a lesson here. I guess the closest we came to that, what you're describing, being able to do that because over time was Paul's talk with their protege, you know, all those years later on Mars Hill, which you and I did.

So that was the closest, that unknown guy. They did have some reasoning that there was something maybe. But they were still had all of the writings from the previous philosophers. That's all they had. That's all they had. Oh, this is good. This is great stuff. But the Apostle Paul said, well, let me just say what's going on here.

And the New Testament Church had to deal with it too because Gnosticism, which was the basically saying flesh was bad. Jesus, they were teaching right after Jesus. And John deals with this first, second, third. John, that flesh is bad, so Jesus couldn't have had a real body. You would have thought after Jesus showed up and literally crushed hollow and deceptive man-made philosophies, just put them to shame, you would have thought that would have cared the day.

Right. And fortunately for the world, the information about Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection has reached the entire world. Most of them at some point have heard it. They just don't believe it. But the bottom line is how you say, boy, he put a ringer on all of them. You would think you would not see what you now see with these Marxists saying, oh, yeah, that Jesus, there's nothing to that.

Yeah. And basically you're just back to being atheist communist, which is where they're headed. I mean, that's where that winds up. That's where it winds up. That philosophy. And what's crazy about it is it doesn't work. I mean, it's never worked. Look at the hope it doesn't offer.

That's right. I said that about, I've talked about that with, you know, I've listened to one of Biden's speeches, and it's just totally about fearmongery. It's trying to appeal to people's fear about death. And I thought, man, it's just such a giving in to say. There is absolutely no hope in the Democratic Party's message. There's just no hope there. It's hopeless. And I don't know why anybody, you know, would want to do that, especially by comparison, when you talk about freedom, you talk about the principles on which we were founded. and why you do trust in God. It's a stark clear line for me for sure. There's a stark difference between the fallible and the infallible, that's for sure. So you see the Godhead through the process, and what's beautiful about it is, and we'll wrap up with this thought, is that God, the Father's always been there. God, the Son's always been there, God the Spirit's always been there,

but their roles have through time now made it possible for all three of those to have an impact in your life personally. Yep. and that's what the Spirit does. That's why Jesus said, you have to remain in me and me and you, and then he described how that was going to happen. The Holy Spirit is going to be there,

and the Holy Spirit is going to bear the fruit from Galatians 5. Like a light shining in a dark place. The Prophet's words, Mal, it's like a light shining in a dark place. Boy, Jesus is the light of the world, that's for sure. He is. Well, our job is to tell him, Mal. That's about all we can do. We did it.

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