Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 177 | Phil Robertson Is Uncanceled, Al Gets Censored, and Meet the Man Who Married Phil's Sister

Episode Date: November 9, 2020

Zach's dad, Gordon Dasher, makes his "Unashamed" debut to reminisce about how he met Phil's sister, fitting into the Robertson family, and killing snakes. Al and Gordon talk about being censored on Twitter and Facebook last week, the guys offer a biblical view of cancel culture, and Phil remembers the day he was put on "indefinite hiatus" from "Duck Dynasty" as one of the happiest of his life.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So this is our, I think it's our fourth podcast that we've been missing Jace. He's been ill. And so we're hoping he gets better. So in his place, in his actual chair, we have Gordon Dasher, Quinn Gordo. This is Zach's dad, by the way, the sire of Zach's dad. pleasure. But you're in Jason's chair. So Gordon, you're going to have to be argumentative, stubborn, and interrupt me and dad a lot. So be myself. That's why I got you to replace it. It's just a natural. It's just a natural instinct. But yeah, so welcome Gordo and to the unashamed layer.

And it is because of your son and the whole family that's we're able to do this. So we started a production company, which is weird because dad, we started. started the production company, Zach and I did, after he had run for Congress and lost, but had made all these contacts. And so he wound up making contacts with like Steve Bannon and what was the other guy's name, the Bossie, Dave Bosse. And so these are all guys that were wound up being like heavily involved in Trump campaigns and, you know, even Bannon was in the administration. And so they had this idea about doing this movie. It was kind of a fundraiser for Citizens United, which is their group.

they were with and uh it was it was uh called torchbearer and so zach it was he wrote most of it i think then they had a couple other writers kind of help with it but we actually made a movie in europe with those guys we spent two weeks over there we were in we were in athens we were in paris we were in alshwitz and poland um yeah normandy we were at so it was really interesting and it so i hadn't mentioned in a while but i want to mention our podcast listeners you can still find it i think you can find it on Amazon Prime. An Apple. Yeah.

And so it's called Torchbear, but it's a fantastic, you know, what would you call it? It's a fantastic look at what happens with civilizations that forget God, you know, or turn to where only the government or the emperor or whatever it was is your leader. And it always ends in tyranny, you know, every time. I mean, they'll rise up. Some ideology, some whatever. this election we're on our way that's right and it's the same stuff you're seeing again it's it's who was it that said you and lose your lose your freedom in one generation

as reagan that said that yeah that was reagan that said that um and it's true so we made this movie and uh it was really great the problem was we had imagined it being in theaters and you know like denes jesus stuff you know really getting out there but it all just kind of got buried in the Trump campaign because this was in 2016 is when we were releasing it. The idea was we were going to put it out before the election and hopefully show this is the two pictures, you know, from that, then it was Clinton versus, you know, President Trump. So it got lost and though we thought, well, you know, I don't know if the Almighty's going

ever use that one day, it's going to come back, but it's just so good. I'm thinking at some point that's going to be where a lot of people can see it, you know, but I want to... It's a brutal film. It is. It's truthful. It's brutal when empires collapse. That's exactly right.

And we're there, right? We're there. I mean, thinking about that, so we made that four years ago, but how prophetic is it just four years later and what you're seeing? The same thing that we learned from history is it, and we went with lockstep right into it. Oh, yeah. So what were you telling me?

There's no God, and now all of a sudden Carl Marx is back. Right. And I mean, it looks like they're coming in. Well, as we record this on the day after the election, I mean, we're in the midst, I don't know, this may air Friday, but it may be decided by them, but it looks doubtful because it looks like they're trying to find a way to steal those swing stays, you know, because you made an observation coming in here that every state that's under, you know, hasn't reported yet are all Democrat led, right? That's it. So, I mean, that's just an hole, by the way. Coincidentally. Yep, coincidentally.

So it's the same battle. you know, it's interesting because this is what I talk about in the movie, people would give themselves under this tyranny, and you're just thinking, why would you want to do that? And I see it with these lockdown states, you know? I mean, through the coronavirus, it's just like, I mean, some people are fleeing. You know, we had an Annenfelma, and they had to come down here

because they're like, we've got to get out of this place because it's just not going to get any better. And it's a theory that has been debunked at every turn. Every time they've tried to put it into practice, Marxism, and socialism, it's failed miserably. So do you think it's just because the evil one ultimately is when you look at the two high flyover looks about freedom versus tyranny. I mean, the evil one's got to have his hands all over, right?

So is it just because of him that gets it going again? Why does it keep coming back to this same thing that never worked? I think it's because it appeals to our baser nature. Yeah. I want stuff that I don't really have to make an investment in getting. I don't have to earn it. I don't have to pay for it. The government's-

We'll take care of your student-in-law. We'll take care of your health care. We'll be your nanny. And they get a few years on them or even before they get there, they die. I mean, it's like the government can take care of my health. They may give you a little temporary reprieve from time to time, but the six-foot hole looms bigger with each passing year, and that's where everyone goes.

It didn't. They can't help you. What was Biden's line about health care? He said Trump says it's a luxury, maybe is what he said. And he said, but I believe it's a right. You know, it's a, it should be in the Constitution, right? Can you imagine the founders if they would hear a speech like that today? If somehow they could, you could just bring a forward and listen to that speech,

they would be like, what are you talking about? I mean, a health care, a right? What is health care? Yeah, what is that? I mean, because you know, these guys, you got wounded. Somebody fixed you up right then. If you got sick back then, they bled you. Yes, exactly.

That's what they did to George Washington. They bled him. Yeah. which is amazing. So my point was, so we did this movie, and so Zach and I started our company, Restoration Productions,

because we figured the movie would get out there and all these people would see it. And so then we wanted to be able to produce some things to go along with it, you know, some follow-up and some teaching and things like that. And, of course, the movie went nowhere, and so Zach and I started this business

and we were like, well, I guess it was all of that. So the business just sat there, you know, doing nothing for two years. And then we got this opportunity about Blaze to do in the woods with Phil, which, by the way, you can go to blazed.com slash unashamed and get that. So we started producing that show,

and then that opened the door to this podcast, which now we know that, I don't know, millions, however many people are listening, it's a lot. I mean, a lot of people are being blessed by, and so dad, Gordo, every week that goes by, somebody shows up here, using it West Winora or Monroe, because dad's across the river.

You know, I want you guys to baptize me, or I want to learn more about Jesus. Or last weekend I married a couple after they were baptized. So it's really cool the way that all worked out. Zach and I had never had the personal vision for it because this started for another reason. But I love it when God has a plan in mind that we don't know about yet and then just kind of unveils it as it goes along, you know, which is kind of following. Pretty neat. So Gordo was married to Jan.

We've talked about her on the podcast. She's passed away about a year ago. It's just a little over a year. And we've told you how great she was and all that. But I wanted Gordon to talk a little bit about her because you were married to her a long time. And what it was like to come into the Robertson family. So Gordon was on Duck Dynasty.

Your initial episode was the one about me, right? The family union thing. So they had Gordon. They put him in a pink. They want him to pink polo that the producers did. So they could put him. him with dad and basically have dad throw him under the bus. What they didn't know was is Gordon, you know, Gordon stands his ground pretty good.

That's one thing he learned about it. So do you remember that, Dad? Do you remember what you said on the show? I knew you would. So he looks at you, Gordo, and you got this pink shirt on, and he said, you know, old Gordon, he's got a look about him. You remember when he said that? On the show.

And then Gordon's like, I've got to look about me. Have you looked at yourself in the mirror? The other line to that was, you tell he ain't from around here. My eyes, yeah, my eyes aren't real close together. I don't look in bread. Yeah, you can tell I'm not from around here. So I will say, the guys that made the show are pretty brilliant because they were right. The contradiction scenes of Dad and Gordon were brilliant because they were funny.

I mean, you were laughing just because you were sitting a duck line with the pink shirt on. It was really funny. So I just wanted the audience to know that in case you missed that one. So what was it like coming into the, so how did you and Jamme? Tell me a little bit about the beginning. of it all because it's been I've even forgotten that I was just a I was just a lad

yeah it was um um 174 I'd been floundering around and long story but I got an opportunity to come to the seminary that was at

our church here and I'd never heard a White's Ferry Road church I'd never heard of West Monroe but I wound up there and so you came to go school I came here to go to school. Okay. And I was at a mixer out at the camp.

And my version is I was surrounded by young women. And, uh, what's my version? Were they snarinating you and have palm branches? Yeah, they were offering me casseroles and candy. I will say that I believe your version only because everybody at Westerly Road is always trying to get everybody single married. Yeah. That's their goal.

Well, your Aunt Jan, she saw me from afar and kind of ran the others off and laid claim to me. And I don't know, I think we dated five and a half months before we got married. I told you on the way of the LSU game one time, I don't know if you remember or not, but I mean, I lucked out. I mean, there could have been mental illness in the family or brother can have been some obsessed duck hunter that ran a bar in Arkansas. I mean, how lucky did that I get, you know? I didn't know any of the family. You're asking me what it was like. It was a culture shock.

I'm telling you. So you started in the fall of 74 in school. So here's what's interesting. I didn't really put this together. So dad's not a Christian yet. This is still a year. He's a year out for being a Christian. And that summer, Jan drove up to camp session ended.

She drove up to Junction City, Arkansas, and I loaded up in her car. And then she drove all night down to Houston, Texas. and picked up two of my cousins that lived down there, and then drove back to camp to get us back for Sunday, which is when camp started. So my only experience at Camp Chioca, which now, of course, Willie and John Luke and all them run, all those years ago was because of jam.

And because she was willing to drive all night to get me and to get Jamie and David to come. And so, you know, but that was right before she met you, because that was the summer of 70. Is when that happened, which was interesting. And, of course, I didn't know any of that stuff. A year later, and we talked about a lot on the podcast, Jan boldly took Bill Smith, our preacher at the time. And by the way, you guys are sending me all the Bill Smith stuff.

The guy that's Bill Smith that's the preacher now, that's not him. Our guy's passed away. So a lot of you keep sending me emails about Bill Smith, but that's the wrong Bill Smith. So she takes him up there because she's convinced. She took me first. Oh, tell me that. She took me first, and I had been. Oh, to introduce you today.

To lead him to the Lord. But the problem with that is, I'd been smoking dope and getting drunk a month before that. So when she took me, he basically just intimidated the fire of me and ran me off. I mean. You don't even remember that either. Isn't that funny? I never knew that. I remember it.

I'm still wounded to this day by it. So this would have been sometime of 75. Fall of 74. Yeah. It's probably been the next year, though, right, when she tried to take you up there? May have been. I don't know. So I never knew that.

So you weren't quite up for that task just yet. No. And so, but, and by the way, Bill Smith wasn't either. You know, Bill didn't want to go. And look, in his defense, I've been putting the same boat for somebody to tell me, well, if you can just go and talk to him, I said, do they want to talk about God? Are they at a point? And they're like, well, no, but I just think you can convince them.

I was like, look, this thing is about turning yourself in. Like, you can't captive, you know, take somebody. by captive for Christ. It has to be a situation where they're wanting to talk about it. So that first time did. It was an epic fail because Bill Smith came in, sat in the booth in the bar that we were running. Dad was running.

And Dad's drinking his Budweiser, beer or whatever. And he just listens and then they're like basically just says, all right. Yeah, yeah. See you later. And Jan's passing out tracks according to the way dad told it to the bar patrons, which I can you see that? I could definitely see it.

I could never see it. Let's take a quick break. So, but it planted a seed, I guess, because a year later, with mom and the three boys at the time gone, Dad finally got to that place. And we talked about a couple of podcasts ago that me and Zach and Jepa all got to as well, where you're just like, okay, this is miserable. I mean, this life is not really what I want to do the rest of the way. And so then dad goes, he comes to West one-no. Now his hat is in his hand.

and he's like, I want to do something different. And so the same man who couldn't crack you in the bar booth was the one that shared the gospel with you for three straight nights. Here's an interesting point. Since you brought it up, I was ready in case it ran by me. I could stop. Proverbs what, 1921. Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord.

purpose that prevails. Now that's what the psalm is said and from there I just happened to see this yesterday. Isaiah 46 about verse 10. Check this out. I make known the end from the beginning, which is quite the statement. Yep. I make known the end and that means of everything. I'm igno on the end from the beginning from ancient times, what is still to come. I say

my purpose will stand and I will do all that I please. He said, I've got full control of the whole thing. Well, you fast forward because that section of scripture is the whole thrust of that,

from Genesis 315 all the way to Matthew a 5,300 by my count year stretch. Jesus is coming. Well, Jesus shows up. He walks on the earth. He dies on a cross. He's buried and raised from the dead. Spent 40 days to show him I'm alive. What about it?

They're like, whoa. He told us that. So Peter gets up. the first thing out of his mouth, listen to this. Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through him as you yourself. No. This man, now listen how this reads, in lieu of Proverbs 1921 and Isaiah 46,

this man was handed over to you by God's set purpose. and for knowledge. He said, I see the end, having started from the beginning. And you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross, but God is raising him from the death. That's the first thing out of Peter's mouth. He said, God's purpose. So to your point about me and the beer joint and all that,

at that point, I had no purpose. Yeah. and I'd never heard of the purpose God had in mind. By the way, you can read on from Acts 2, Romans 828. We look at little verses like that, we don't say, and everything works out for the good, and all things, God works for the good of those who he called according to his purpose.

Yeah. So, you know, when you're lost, you get to looking around and you get to thinking, where how do I fit into all this? And that's why all these suicides and all of that, they spinning their wheels. They just can't, they don't realize, they don't know what purpose they're on the earth. That's right. And that's why you see people get out in the street. Yep.

You know, and then somebody like the Apostle Paul says, yeah, I see them. They're senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. you're like, man, what a bunch to deal with. No purpose. They don't have any knowledge of God. It's the same back if you woke up. This was an example. I finally found purpose when I read what God's purpose was.

I said, I was the one that was called according to his purpose, but didn't even realize it. Right. It sounds like you kind of had, you must have a similar experience because you said just earlier in that you had not, you had not been living a godly life. Oh. So when you came to West 1-0, that was your transition as well, I guess, when you went to prison. Everybody goes some ungodly to God. At some point, that's exactly right.

Oh, they die. That's right. But still their knee will bow, and their tongue will confess. That's right. Everybody does. Even after. So that was your transition as well? I mean, from spiritually is when you came here and to go to school?

Right. I grew up in a tradition that valued performance. it's law-based, you obey the rules. And so if you, the key to salvation is you keep the rules. If you break the rules and you're immediately out of the kingdom until you say a magic prayer and then you get to put back in. You just have cleaned up. Yeah, so the result of that was I just was like under a constant state of condemnation

because nobody can sustain that. Nobody can live under that. Law always condemns. And I was just tired of it, you know, but I thought maybe there's some other answer out there. I didn't know, and I look back at it now, I realize I wasn't even really guided my own steps. I guess I could have resisted it,

but I felt a real urge to come here, and it was an opportunity for me to, you know, I looked at it then like it's an opportunity for me to get my act together. And I realize now it was an opportunity for me to meet God. And Jan was a perfect vehicle to help that happen. Because Jan, unlike you or me or dad, You know, she never went down that path. And we talked about it before when Zach was on here about, you know, sin not being an advantage.

Although some of us that live in very bad, sinful situations, were empathetic to people at the same time. I don't know about y'all, but I wouldn't want to go back and do all that again for any reason. Neither. And so, and Jan was a great example of that. She was not perfect, but she was a great spiritually led person. So it gets out. You see, we're telling about from where we were to where we are. Ephesus 1-9, and he, talk about God, known to us, he has made known to us the mystery of his will

according to his good pleasure which he purposed in Christ to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment. Think about it. Tell the Galatians, when the time had fully come in the days of the Roman Empire, God sent his son, born of a woman, you say every step was worked out. To the time it would have reached their fulfillment to bring all things in heaven and earth together under one head, even Christ. In him, we were also chosen, not even realizing it on what a thing that was.

Have it been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything. Listen, in conformity with the purpose of his will. You're like every little step of one's life in order that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be for the praise of His glory. You were included in Christ when you heard a word of truth. Smith brought it to me at the beard joint. And I was like, what? Your heart wasn't open then. Wasn't open then.

He said, that's a mean man. He said, he's final words were to Jan. He told Jan and said, he ain't ready yet. But Jan said if you convert him, he'll win thousands. And Smith said, what? Jan said to Smith, you convert my brother, and he will bring thousands. She had the vision for it. To the Lord.

And Smith said, hmm, Smith said it kind of built the fire and him to say, well, maybe no girl's right, you know. That's what she said. Well, what she said came true. It did. When you were finally ready to surrender, which is what we always thought. That was the purpose of God, purposed in Christ. You said, that's why, you know, someone that's the way, when are you going to get off the gospel?

I always say, let's see, Jesus died for you, was buried and raised from the dead. The good news, right? When are you going to get off of it and get in some deeper truths of the Bible? I said, when are you going to get on it? I said, man, you receive it, and the apostle bowels and you take your stand on it. That means, oh, you're not going to budge. That's right. everything that's the purpose of the whole thing we're not getting out of here unless there's a

resurrection of the dead well here comes god said i'll fix it for you i'll solve physical death for you i'll fix it for you you just think about the ramifications of that it takes a complete fool to say you know i don't want to hear about that stuff you're like man but it's interesting uh dad let's take a break i heard it in a bar and and later when smith studied with you interesting because you were so mistrusting of people in general and certainly preachers or whatever that it took three nights for you to be convinced I mean your heart was open finally but it took three nights to convince your intellect and every part of you and your distrust to say you know what I see it now I had one big glaring problem and I've seen this a lot in other individuals

I didn't start trusting others as far as I could see them until I could trust me as far as I could see me. You understand what I'm saying? It certainly saying exactly. I mean, but I could trust me. Then I started saying, well, maybe I can trust you because I'm an astoundrel. Most people project the guilt or the worst part of themselves onto other people. We sit all the time.

The Democrats do it every day. Anytime they claim the Republicans are doing something, they're doing it. They're projecting that's what they do. Yeah. So, Gordon, in my relationship with you guys, because you're from Florida, after, I guess, did you, you went through, you finished school, right? So in 76? Yeah.

Yeah. So you guys got married. I still remember the wedding. It was over at Foresa. Yeah. And you guys headed back to Florida, I guess, immediately. Or did you go somewhere? Yeah.

Well, well, we got married in February. We left in July of 75. I went to the one-year program. Oh, yes, right, though. So, so you wound up. in ministry and so we only really got to see you guys a couple of times a year when you'd come up to visit my grandparents live next door to us so we that was really the only time we got to see you but I always had this real affinity for jam because she had such an affinity for me you know

she just like really loved me and just exposed me to good spiritual things and so you know I always had that closeness and then I always loved you because you were funny I mean you were sarcastic and a quick wit about you and sarcasm is one of my love languages so that's why I love you so much. But I thought it was interesting because eventually you guys moved, well, you've been here a couple of times in West Winona. You all came for a while. What were you doing when y'all were here the first time? I worked for Robert. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I forget you're cut hair. You've done so many different things. So then you go back to Florida. I'm doing modeling now. Yeah, yeah. That's plus size. But then you wind up in ministry, had some good experiences.

some bad experiences like all of us who have worked for the church. But when you guys came back here, the second go-around, you guys were working, you worked with us. First you were teaching, but then you worked with us for the church and did a really good job with our college kids, our campus ministry that were doing over there, and it was really a lot of fun. And all three of us were elders together, which was a fun thing for me, you know, to get to have that experiences.

So I was just, you know, it's ironic because now dad is working with that same group. except it's a lot different than when you were there because you had the college kids and all that. But just kind of the way that's all worked out. You know, I mean, the guy gave us all those opportunities to do it together. And now, of course, Zach's a big part of that too. So you guys are in North Carolina now.

So tell our audience what you do there. What's kind of your, you preach? Do you, you know, what are you doing? I don't do anything. You're retired. Yeah, so with Jan, Jan suffered a lot with Alzheimer's for about a body. She had it for maybe six years.

Well, that's when I discovered it, maybe six years before she died. But the last year, and the last year was terrible. Oh, it was brutal. I mean, it was a 24-hour commitment on my part, seven days a week. I got essentially no relief from,

I don't like to say it that way because it was my job to serve her. It was still hard, extremely hard. It was very difficult. So, she, she would get disturbed and I'd say, why don't we take a ride? It's a beautiful area. Just absolutely gorgeous mountains.

And we're riding around and I see this sign that said, Swananoa Christian Church. And I said, hey, let's ride down there and see what that's all about. And we drove down and had a playground, the grass was about knee deep. But look,

I said, this place looks dead. I think I'm going to come here on Sunday for some reason. I just wanted a small group. So drawn to the, to the, I'm a fixer. So in the meantime,

She had to be hospitalized. She really had a psychotic break, not because she was, it was just because her brain stopped functioning, and it was dying off. And so I had her committed to a hospital for about 10 days. And so the next Sunday I just showed up about 9.45 and walked into the Sunday school room down in the basement. And we got to talk.

And there was just a very few people there. And they said, what did you do for a living before you came here? And I said, I was a pastor. And they said, we're looking for a pastor. I said, well, there you go. So I started preaching and Jan loved them. And it was really cool because sometimes she would have another psychotic break. And she'd say, I want to go see those nice men at the church.

I said, Janice, Thursday night, they're not there. You're lying, you're lying. They're there. Okay, let's go look. So we'd go look. And of course, they weren't there. And she'd say, they're inside. I know they are.

I said, they're not. But it was good for me to just have that outlet to preach and teach. to have fellowship with people. But it was also good for her because it gave her a place to belong. Yeah. And she felt like those guys loved her. And they did. You know, the people in the church really loved her a lot.

So I think it's just my opinion. But I think because of your upbringing you mentioned, and like all of us, you know, everything kind of our experiences drive us. And because you're really good at preaching grace and just the opposite of everything you said earlier, that how you grew up. And I grew up the same way. Keep talking out. I'll kill his fly.

Yeah, you get that thing. You know, I think this is the same fly that landed on Mike Pence's head. I bet he won't have to get us to do that again. Old Gordon started talking and the fly started appearing. Remember the fly that little Mike Pence's said? I think this is the same one. I kept tapping the TV. Make it go away.

Get it off of him. We're the only, by the way, I think we're probably the only podcast in America. that has an interruption in their podcast to kill flies. I've never heard of that. I mean, you've ever heard of that? If they saw these, I bet Joe Rogan's not killing flies on this. If they saw all these squirrels and deer and ducks coming through here, you know.

Well, there were, yeah, there was a couple of deer out here from a couple of people that killed them just yesterday. They were right outside of this door. Just hanging out. Yeah, so you're probably right. I didn't think about that. This is a little bit of a draw for that. So if we stop to kill flies, just go with, go with the fly. A lot of people think we're faking like we're living out on the edge of the woods here.

Oh, no, it's not fake. Yeah, because Gordon lived here. You can speak to it, right? It's a nightmare. I always say that Louisiana is a place not fit for human habitation, and yet we live here. So I don't know what that says something about us. 20 feet behind this building is a plethora of intertwined serpents with venom just dripping from their fangs. And they're crawling over alligators that are trying to get in there.

Yeah, we just had Ann and Fellam on, and they just... How many snakes do you kill in your yard when you live next to me? You know what's odd? I did not kill king snakes, and I saw a lot of those. Oh, yeah. I rarely killed those water snakes. I only killed three cotton mouse. And that one rattlesnake right before I moved.

Yeah. Four snakes in 14 years. Poisonous. That's not bad about it. The reason you weren't having to kill them was king snakes. Yeah. Yeah, I left the king snakes. And the first time I saw a king snake.

Nice man. I saw a king snake playing baseball down there by the river when I was a kid. And I saw a copperhead, so I went and grabbed something to go kill him, you know, because dad changed as well. And I was looking to go up the snake to find the head of the snake. And about halfway up, a king snake had eaten half the copperhead. And then I just said, all right, we're a friend. This guy here, he's on our side.

Oh, yeah, there's one out behind my house. That's how they kill them, a swallow them home. They choke him first. Yeah. And the jam said, kill him, kill him. And I said, oh no, come here. And I got on, you know, YouTube wasn't very old. I got on and said, King Snake eating rattlesnake.

And I showed her a video. She said, good grief. You better leave him alone. I said, oh, yeah. He's there for you. I'm not touching the Kingsnake. He's there for him. Let's take another break.

So one of the things Gordon that you're doing now is you've been working with Lisa and I on our blog and also help him out with dad's newsletters as well. Gordon is an excellent writer, by the way, among his many talents. And that's Al and Lisa Robertson.com, by the way. Kind of be sure we put that on the screen. And we're trying to just do information to help people. We talk about pro-life a lot. We talk about marriage.

We talk about forgiveness and brokenness. And again, all those things that have helped our life. You know, so we want to try to help. And everything is centered on the gospel. Everything. Every answer. And which is really the core of the podcast and everything else we're doing. So I want to talk about in our last few minutes together,

a project that we're just starting to work. on and it's dad's new book. And so we're just early in the process. You know, we've got a lot of different ideas floating around, but one of the ones we've talked about is the idea about cancel culture. You know, because that's a

big thing now. Which basically, as most of you know, you speak out on something or you say something that somebody doesn't like. And then you've got this group of, this hordes on social media, whether it's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, whatever. They try

to cancel you. So they basically try to ruin you and silence you. I mean, that's, that's the way it's working now. And it's just rampant. And most all of it's on the left, you know, it's just the way they function. Because at one time, liberals were the bastions of free speech. Remember that? I mean, like, you should be able to say anything. There's no, you know, you shouldn't, you know, it was always aimed at conservatives at the time. And you can't clamp us down. And now, just in a short, what, 15 or 20 years, it's completely come full circle. And now they're the ones trying to shut any free speech down that they don't like. You can't say it.

You know, the big tech. I've been censored three times this week on Twitter. I've tried to retweet something. A little thing comes up on things says, well, you've got to do more researched before you can, you need to. And I was like, I was just reading this. I was like, are you kidding me? I mean, I'm looking at a video. I can't send it out on your platform until I go.

I got censored on Facebook when Joe Biden said he was running against George. You remember that? Yeah. And his wife leans over and she says, Trump, Trump. Yeah, you can see her. So I posted, all I did was post the video. Yeah. And then the next hour, there's a little disclaimer.

Yeah. This is taken out of context. And I'm going, taken out of context, his wife is saying, it's not George, it's Trump. Right. You know, I didn't take anything out of, I just showed the video. Yeah. It's something that happened, that everybody saw. Yeah, I'm saying you're just, what it's...

I'm not... It is in its entire context. So that's what they're doing now, Dad, because you don't know, because you're not on social media. So basically, you've got some, somebody, there's some algorithm that alerts somebody somewhere in a place. And then they're going to make a decision. Of course, the somebodies, every time seem to be going after conservatives. You don't ever see... I've never heard anybody complain on the left about being told this.

So you just want to express a thought or show a video like Gordon's talking about it. And you got somebody in a room that says, nope, we're the fact checkers. Yep. That's what they call. The ones who are canceling their neighbors are their men of renown from back in the past. The people who are doing that, they've already been canceled. Yeah. They're the canceled ones.

That's right. There's no hope. They have no. To peaceably assemble is what they have the right. But to do what they're doing, there's nothing peaceable about that. No. And if something's mostly peaceful, that's like being mostly pregnant. When you're tearing down statues for people that lived in the past,

and for whatever reason they wanted to remember them, some of them are founding fathers. I mean, statues are pre-statutes. Frederick Douglass. Abraham Lincoln. What about the one who freed this life? When you're counseling them out, that's a sure sign that you've already been canceled by the Almighty.

So that's kind of at the heart of kind of where we're going on a biblical view of cancel, what's been canceled and what hasn't, right? How would you kind of define sort of our thinking on kind of where we're going? Okay, so the best. We're just sharing with you guys early in the process. Yeah, if you got any input. Yeah, if you got any input, let us know. We're fine with that.

So the best example is when GQ came to interview you, what, 2014 with the height of the Duck Dynasty, whatever it was. And he asked him what the definition of sin was, and you remember you quoted First Corinthians chapter 6, I don't know, 8, 9, 10, 10. So in that list, you've got the greedy, the swindler, the homosexual offender, the sexually immoral, it's just a list. And as soon as the magazine hit the shells,

which was a Wednesday, I believe, the outcry against you for being homophobic was, it dominated every new cycle. That was one of the first ones to the attempt to cancel. Right. He was canceled culture canceled before canceled culture became canceled culture. That's right. So before it had a name, that's what they did to him.

That's right. So, of course, he's made the point. And I think we'll make this in the book. is that I got canceled for simply quoting a Bible verse. That's right. They didn't know. Which, by the way. They didn't know was a Bible verse.

That's right. They thought it was your opinion. It took three days because, you know, dad wasn't just booked after verse. He's just quoting scripture, which he does a lot. Verbatim. Verbatim. And so it took what the cable news people. The fact checkers.

Three days to even realize you were quoting a verse. Somebody finally called them and said, it's a Bible verse. You get dummies. They said, that's in the Bible. Even our defenders back then, it was Bill O'Reilly and those guys, they were like, I mean, this guy does have some crazy views. Listen to what he said. And he's literally quoting a Bible.

They had some priest, Catholic preach, and he said, well, what do you expect some redneck down there? I mean, he didn't know it was the Bible verse either. And he said, what are you expecting him to say, you know, but actually the front part of that verse should do not be deceived. Yeah. Don't be deceived. Right. Neither the sexually immoral, the idolaters, the adulterers, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the thieves, greedy, drunkard, slanders, swindled.

They won't inherit the kingdom of God. And you said then, and such were some of you. But you were watched. That's who you were. You used to be that. I was giving them the good news with it, but they didn't read the second. Somehow, I think they had it in their mind. Good news was not going to be part of this story.

Let's take one last break. But they sure ruled me hard for about. the news media for about six months they would come to white's free road and they said can we have an interview instead stick a mic up in my pay i said well you're sure you can't i said i'll be giving it right upstairs got a press conference so i was cut it's also called a bible class i would get them all up in there and they end up with all their equipment they can't get out of there and i'm just hammering away i said hey put that on tv by the way one on my finally she said you know i like you Mr. Robinson, I said, well, you came, though, because you heard that I was a mean old man, right?

And she said, that's what I thought. I said, do I seem like I hate her to you? She said, you do not. I said, put that on TV. Yeah. I said, tell it. I said, you got the cameraman with you. I said, run it.

Run that. Wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. The only person that really told the whole story from your Bible class press conferences was somebody in from London. Yeah, London England. London England. And they told the whole thing. It was like, here's what the guy had to say.

He seemed pretty good to me. I mean, like, this guy was genuinely. He actually took up for us. He did. He did. It was the only, only news outlet that actually took it. He came over here from London, England to get the dirt on me. He did.

It was one of those London tabloid types of. That's why it's best to give him the dirt on the front end. Yeah. Just say, look, I've never had anybody come from Balkanville to get the dirt on me. So that's pretty, that's five miles away. So you're right. right, we kind of put TMZ out of business in terms of the Robertsons because you just tell your own stuff. You know, you don't have to, if you're not sitting around on a time bomb, if you just go

ahead and detonate it. That's right. You've been drunk. Yep. You've been high. Yep. You've been laid. Yep. I knew it was coming. Yeah. We called the big three. So when I imitate Phil, that's what I do. I mean, everybody's trying to get drunk, get high, get laid. And they go, yeah, That sounds like him so. So one of the verses that I like because we're kind of, we're torn around with the colony uncansled, because basically they claim even to this day, Dad, I read you an article recently,

just a random piece that comes out in the Hollywood Reporter about, oh, let's remember why we hate this guy. You know, it wasn't even targeting anything new you're doing. It was just like all the old stuff. They wanted to remember me so they could hate me. That's right. Don't forget, this guy would cancel. So I thought it was interesting that they're having to remember.

mind their people that we canceled the guys. So in their mindset, they canceled you. But in truth, in reality, they didn't cancel anything. The show totally reversed itself. You know, you were on indefinite hiatus, which would last, for 24 hours. It was nine days. Well, they were trying to, they said, we actually didn't fire you if you read to read carefully. I said, I said, did I have a bellyache having been canceled or runoff? I said, y'all ever hear me bed? Did I call yet? They said, no, You didn't say a word. I said, I don't mind. I said, I don't care if y'all laid it on me.

They said, well, if you read it real carefully, it says we put you on a, what do you call it? Indefinite. Yeah, an indefinite. I said, I looked up hiatus in the Bible, and it said, not part of the program. No longer a part of the program. So they didn't, but then they reversed course. The only thing the family said was that we're not going to do this. show unless dad's on the show. So we're basically saying we're with Phil. And at that at that time,

it was at its height. Oh, it was that we talked about in the last, uh, it was the four season, which it was the high. I mean, you're talking to millions, yeah, yeah, you're talking about millions of people. The demo is out the roof. Yeah, a lot of our, you know, the one we had contracts with, the various companies, it probably cost us about 10 mil. Yeah. All I had to do was cave in and say, oh, you're right. Or us, it's not a sin. Or us not back you. But what's interesting, is that was in 2014, again, ahead of the cancel curve, I would be willing to say they would definitely cancel us today. Like, it's gotten so far now. Oh, yeah. Because one little statement somebody, but you know, who was it? By the way, for all the guys and gals that practice

homosexual behavior and the ones that are saved now, and it's, it's great work going on inside that community. Oh, there's no doubt about it. It's, and again, it's, we've converted quite a few And we were blamed or said that we were against this specific group of people. We preached truth, marriage and immorality about any situation. I mean, in our church... It's not like they're the... No, I mean, if a man and woman, just like the one I just married, they've been living together 10 years,

they were convicted because of what we said on this podcast that this is not right. And so the girlfriend, you know, tells the... And they've been together a long time, but she tells him, no, you go sleep on the couch. well two years later you know they come down here and I married him though that's a boy you're going to be excited because you can get off the couch now you're back in the good gracious he slept on the couch for two years two years yeah no sex he was a little slow you're a little slow and uh I said y'all should have came two years ago but my point is we when it comes to immorality anything outside of a husband

and wife the way God designed us to have sex with your wife or your husband and keep it there and as you said many times no disease all these bad things that happen none that's there's correct that's what we teach and so that applies to anything that's not that well and as a as a i mean as an outsider and i am no matter how hard i've tried and to be a part of the robberson family i know that i'll never really fit in you can just tell when you walk by i'm not from around here you ain't from around Well, Gordon is like that says, you know, the good thing for you is because you're weird, but the good thing for you is that around here, weird is in. Yeah, that's true.

So, you know, just as now, I love teasing Phil and joking around about the family. And even Jan, I know she doesn't mind because I did it when she was alive and she laughed at it. But I tell stories on her all the time. But just at all seriousness, when I come into your house and I see. lesbians and gay men and all these other people that are listed in that verse and there's sitting two people that are living in two people that are shacking up whatever whatever there's no limit and i see you sitting there not only sharing the scriptures with them sharing the gospel with them you're feeding them a fine meal like we had a while ago and that was good a good shrimp at tufei it

was awesome but your your your hospitality toward people regardless of where they are in their life. I know, no matter what these people in cancel culture say about you, I know that you love the very people that they say they're trying to defend. You love them deeply. Show them what God says. Just what Jesus said. I love sinners. That's why I came here. I'd come here to cancel people. I came here to do so. So I want to read you this verse, as we're about out of time from Colossians 2.13 through 15, because I really think this will be kind of the heart of what we get to in this book. This is the direction we go. When you were dating, in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, because he's been talking about circumcision

in the context, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins. Having canceled, here's God's cancel culture for us, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us, he has taken it away, nailed it to the cross, and having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumping over them by the cross. Thank God he did it. I want him to cancel me. That's right.

We want to be canceled. And then whatever they do, whatever, it doesn't matter. That night I came in. I was all excited because I heard about it. I was in town. I came out here real fast and I said, hey, Phil, if you don't cave in on this, you're going to have a plow. He's interrupted me.

He said, cave in. This is the happiest day of my life. What are you talking about? You remember saying that? He was like, he was like, he was like, he was. excited because he knew he had a platform now and he also was excited because he knew he was going to suffer for the sake of price but it helped convert but you know what's funny is to show you though about this article I told you about I just read within the last year uh people just lie so in the article

at the end of it says even though he apologized yeah it said even though he apologized and then it went on I was I was just screaming at my computer screen I was like he never apologized for quoting a Bible verse but now they just add that they're like Even though he apologized, we know this, this, and this and this. And I just thought, that's what they do. What magazine was at? Hollywood Reporter. Really?

Yeah, that's what it said. Fake news. Just think of it. Hollywood reporter. Yeah. Doesn't go to that very good. Fake news. Yeah.

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