Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 19 | How Phil and Jase Got Duck Commander into Walmart, Al’s KFC Impression, and the Story of Joseph

Episode Date: September 1, 2019

Phil remembers the old days of getting his duck calls into Walmart, Jase accidentally makes fun of the Walmart seller to his face, and Al does his best KFC slogan impression. On the spiritual side of the discussion, Al breaks down Joseph’s walk and favor with God.  See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I spoke at the Boys and Girls Club from the state of Louisiana. That big meet in the West Monroe. But what happened was Grant, who worked for Buck Commander. He's like, hey, can you speak at the Boys and Girls Club? I was like, sure. I was thinking 1520, you know, boys and girls.

Because it was no big deal, you know. And then the day of, he's like, remember you got the Boys and Girls Club at the convention center, which should have sparked something. Yeah. Why would you go to a convention center? I get there and look in there and it is packed suits and ties. I mean, you can't stick another person in here. So I get up there and the guy's fixed to introduce me.

I leaned over and I said, what exactly do you want me to say? Because I had no contact. And he's like, oh, you haven't been briefed? I was like, I have no idea other than we're here something about the boys and girls club. and but you know what it turned out great because I just got up there I'm like we're in Louisiana which I love we're helping boys and girls who have had a difficult time and the audience was all the volunteers and coaches and mentors

and I kind of told about my childhood I was like hey there was a couple year period in my life you know where I was the boys club yeah you know I was looking for a mentor but we were we had our own club out here So I shared Jesus, even though this was not a church thing, and I said, look, whether you're a believer or not, these principles, and I quoted 1 Corinthians 13, you know, and kind of went in the deal by when you take God out of our schools and our homes, you take those principles out. There's the problem with our kids. We need to put those principles in. Look, the whole room stood up and gave a standing ovation when I did that, and it was not a faith-based thing. I was going to say, are they... Very wise by doing what you did. I was encouraged.

They're not really a faith group, more just a kind of... Look, I'm all for them. That's why I was there for free. I was like, I'll come, you know, we're helping kids. I'm in, you know. They knew I had coached some with difficult kids. I told a few coaching stories, you know, where it's not the kids, it's the parents, you know. But it really went well.

That's awesome. I was excited about it. I was in Bentonville, Arkansas, this past weekend. Did you go to Walmart? I did not go to Walmart, but boy, I saw a lot of Walmarts. But we were, so we were speaking at Grace Point Church. It was a great church up there. Willie was there, which was funny.

What was he doing there? Well, he was speaking at the same thing I was. And I had no idea. Well, I knew like two weeks prior, I got word. So we did a marriage thing. So Lisa and I went first. Of course, our marriage story is heavy, you know. We do it all the time.

And then they came in behind us, which was really, good because there's you know there's is funnier and willie just you know willie being willie so it was really a nice combo because i talk a lot about sort of mom and dad's marriage and what god has done to sort of bring us through this whole thing and then lisa and i as well and willie taught more posts like the show and our family and the impact so it was really kind of cool the way it worked out and then will and i spoke at a men's thing the next day that was for a group called men sharpening so i met this guy who he came up to me first i was impressed because i'm in hog heaven i mean I'm in Bentonville, Arkansas, which is right up the road from Fayetteville, which is everybody there's.

Oh, literally hog haven. It is hog haven, Arkansas everywhere. And this guy comes up, and I was like, well, there's my new best friend, LSU shirt, and right in hog heaven. I said, I bet you're popular around here. He said, oh, I get ripped daily. How did you get ripped? When's the last time Arkansas won over three games? Of course, you should have heard Willie just ripping Arkansas the intakes.

They used to have a football team. I mean, like the whole thing, it was just short of getting booed and like, sigh at the. You got to commend their loyalty. Exactly. Because they've had a rough stretch. So anyway, this guy comes up to me, Dad, and he's wearing a other shoe. So automatically, I'm like this guy. Turns out he's from Derritter.

And he said, I think you guys know my dad. And I said, well, who's your dad? And he said, Dean Burns. I was like, Dean Burns, that name is that's familiar. And he said he was a Walmart buyer in the 80s, right up to early 90s. And I was like, well, he would have been there. guy, you know, or one of them. I know they rotated a lot through there. But it turns out, I mean, I know

that Walmart, you know, and I talked to him about this, well, you know, we really appreciate him and others because they really gave us our first shot. Oh, there's no doubt. To then become national players. I say in my speeches, they're like when people see us and say, how did this happen? I'm like, well, obviously God Almighty had a plan. And then I say, and Walmart. Because

when we got those videos in Wamp, they were just hunting videos, just Not, you know, everybody may not know our story, but when you got the duck calls in the Walmart, okay. But when you got the videos in there, you know, anything will sell in Walmart, including bearded, you know. The way I got them in there was the kicker because I would drive by every year, I'd go once a year, a loop. Well, I'd go up into Arkansas over in the Mississippi, then I'd go over in Arkansas over in East Texas and come around through South Louisiana and come back. to the house with about $5 in my pocket.

I'd pull up at all these sporting goods store. I'd just go through town looking at the phone book. Is there a sporting goods store if it stopped somebody? Is it a sporting goods store in this town? They'd tell me I'd go down there and try to sell them, you know, a dozen duck called. Well, I noticed

when I kept on by the third or fourth year on my loop, I noticed that that sporting goods store would dry up and I would see these Walmart things right outside of town and I said hmm and everybody said yeah they got a sporting good store in there you know so I said well good night it looks like they're running these smaller smaller things out of business I said I need to go in there and see if I can

sell these people well I started driving around to the Walmarts and getting my tail ran out or run out of there yeah they won't let you do it well I'd go in and say hey let's get some duck calls in this thing pretty good duck hunting up in here But you eventually got a letter that allowed you to do that, right? Well, no, I was just going around. Well, finally, after multiple being run out of the stores, finally some guy said, he said, I tell you what? He said, you got an order for him here? And I said, no.

I said, you got one? He said, well, we got an order for him back there. And I said, look, just pay me out of petty cash back there. I said, some of my money after you sell the duck called. Welcome to corporate America. He said, I'll try six of them. I said, okay. Well, once I got that six in a Walmart, I drove to the next one.

I said, listen, these things are hot. Walmart's stocking these duck calls in the stores. Well, I would show him his order for him. And the first one that saw it said, just give me what he got. I said, hey, you never get somewhere. I go to the next one. Well, my sheet got thicker as I went. So it looked like you were just knocking it out of the park because you got all these orders.

Oh, yeah. I said, boy, so the second year. I had me a little deal going at. Well, I got it up to about $25,000 in sales after about the first two or three years. Which was huge back in that. I was feeling good about it. Well, one day the phone rang and some guy said, you missed a Robertson? I said, yes, sir.

And he said, Mr. Robertson, I'm trying to figure out how you're getting your duck calls into the Walmart chain. I said, one store at a time. And I'll pick up chucker mine. He said, you just settle them off the street? I said, basically that's what's going on. and I said, I'm feeling pretty good about it. I said, who are you, by the way? He said, I'm the buyer, the one you're supposed to be talking to to get your product in Walmart.

It was probably Dean Byr. I said, oh, I didn't know why I was kind of circumventing you there. I said, but, you know, I feel pretty good. What do y'all think? And he said, you're actually doing pretty good. I said, hey, I appreciate that. He said, I tell you what, you come up here and talk to me and we can see if we can get this thing done right. Well, he's the one.

that's about year of five he stocked that duck men five or whatever was he stocked one of our DVDs yeah and all the Walmart stores so we looked down and said good night I mean you know we're up in six figures here but that's the way it worked

we didn't realize the video not only we're getting paid for it it was advertising our duck calls it was like the ultimate marketing system people are actually buying an advertisement because all we did was duck on And then they would say, well, let me try one of the dog calls. Walmart, let us slide. And the way we were doing it, which was not the way he's supposed to do it,

but my line to the people at Walmart, the sporting goods department head, I would go back there and they said, well, you think we're going to buy them off the street? I said, guys, I said, Colonel Sanders at some point fried a chicken. And his buddy or somebody came over and said, Colonel, that's pretty good chicken. I said, he had to start somewhere. He'd fried a chicken, and somebody liked the way he fried chicken. I said, I'm just saying, unless I get a few in here, how am I ever going to sell them? And it proves the point that truly anything can sell them.

Somebody came along, is that finger-licking, finger-licking, finger-licking good. Finger-licking good. There you go. So that was the one I used, one of the lines I used. You know, give me six of them. You know, I have to tell them out lying, you know. But anyway, I will give Walmart this. They made us they, Walmart.

made us a national product. Say what you will about Walmart. Without them, Duk Commander would have been here. And it's really interesting because from that humble start when the show hit and then of course they were selling a gazillion dollars worth of Dynasty merchandise, which was a whole other story.

But Dad was invited. I remember going with you, Dad, you were featured and spoke briefly at all the Sam's, you know, it was in Bentonville, all the executives of Sam's, They were all there for a big rally on Saturday morning. You spoke. They asked me to come.

And then Willie and Corey, and maybe you, Jay, spoke at a Walmart version of the same thing in Bentonville because they have these rallies they do. That's where I did the worst thing ever. I spoke. And I think Phil and Casey said, you know, nobody important will be there. So, you know, it doesn't matter. I mean, I remember what's wrong. So I speak and this guy comes up and he says, well, you think about the new Walmart buyer. And I said, well, I heard because I had.

He's just a slasher. I mean, this guy probably wouldn't know a duck from a billy goat. That's what I said. Well, when I said that, he removed his tie from his tag. And it was the next. It was the new buyer. And I thought, oh, I just made a terrible mistake. And so that I just looked horrified.

But it was pretty slick on his part. What do you think about the warring? I thought it was a little shady, actually. You know, I mean, he put me out there. But later on, didn't y'all come to a meeting of the minds when Benis got to cooking? You know, we did. I actually, when he called me up there and he's like, hey, I'm the guy you ripped to his face, you know. So I'd go up there.

And he kind of used that. And he's like, I'm not paying over this price. And I was like, well, I don't guess you'll be having our product. I actually got out of that meeting, you know, without a deal. And it was funny. I remember that. Well, at first when I called you, because y'all at all. always, you know, be waiting out of the phone and say, how did it go?

And I was like, oh, fantastic, couldn't be better. You know, hung up the phone and Mrs.'s like, that was a lie. I was saying, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't tell you that, well, we're not at Walmart. But actually, you know, we didn't have any kind of words. And then three months later, the order came in for the price I had said. It was like it never happened. Jay said the buyer would tell him, he said, you know, y'all talking about these videos.

He said, these videos, they don't sell them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that buyer told him later, he said, I watched every one of them and loved him. Yeah. But he didn't tell Jason. He would always say, oh, these DVDs, they're no big deal. Well, I met one of the buyers who he quit Walmart, and just years later, I saw him in a restaurant. That's when he said that.

He said, hey, I have to tell you something. I don't work for Walmart anymore. He said, I was just putting on. He said, I love your video. He said, they train us. They train us to get that low ball, low ball them no matter what. It's so funny how people are in character. I spoke at Paris Island where the Marine recruits all go.

And you've seen it before. We've seen it on movies and stuff. They got that section. The bus pulls up and they got these yellow painted where their feet go. And everybody, those recruits had to go. You put your heels on those yellow feet. And then some guy comes out, you know, looking right under the brim of that hat. The discipline procedure has begun.

He starts by just chewing their butt, you know, for the first whatever until they break and come in. So they wanted me to have the experience. So it's just me out there. They put me on the feet, you know. This young guy comes out. He's about 25 years old. And I mean just chisel, you know. And I mean, just he's got to look like he could just chew a nail.

He steps up and just starts. And I know it's like, you know, it's not real. It's not real. All the parenting you never received is fixing to come. I mean, my insides turn to jelly. You know, this guy is just reaming me out. And then I would say I try to respond yesterday. Don't you call me, sir.

I'm not a sir. I work for a little. You know, he's just, so he's owned me this whole time. And so finally, like, he broke, you know, it stops. And I was kind of relieved. And then he leans in and says, man, my family loves your show. You guys are so awesome. And it was like, then he was a 25-year-old kid.

They would just love the show. But I just, I've never forgotten that, you know, when you can go into character, whatever the character is, you can sell it. There is something about. I'll breaking them, you have to break them, and then you have to make them. I asked the guy, I said, so how often, I mean, what's your typically, how long is it take to break it? Because most of these are 18, 19-year-old kids.

How long do they take to break them down? He said, totally depends on the person. He said, some people, they break down right where you're standing. They never make it in the building before they break. He said, in others, they'll go right up to the whole 10 weeks. I said, well, what happens if you don't break them? He said, then they're not, they don't become Marines. So the bottom line is, you have to be broken down.

If you don't. Can you imagine, Si, if he hadn't gone through that process? I mean, we needed that. I think maybe. How did he even make it through the process as stubborn as he is? So the question would be, why is it that if you want a well-hauled, highly trained machine like the Marine Corps, why is it that you start and you finish with discipline?

That's right. We've lost that in America and our family structure and look at us now. Well, and I was so impressed. I was there to speak for the Navy chaplains who try to minister to these kids spiritually. And I had no idea. Most of the kids that were going in that I'm looking at in the Marine Corps, by the way, they looked like they were 12 instead of 18. But most of them come out of terrible situations.

It's either jail or the Marine Corps. A lot of them are homeless. And so when they get there, the pressure on them is there's nowhere to go. You either make it or you have nothing. By the way, I thought of something yesterday. it just occurred to me. I want a study done. Some of you people out there in the computer land,

you've got plenty of sense. I want an in-depth study done, and here's what I want you to find out, and you can send the information to us here on Unashamed. I want to read what you came up with. I want to know, out of all the shooters, the mass shooters, and the murders,

and then whether it be knives, guns, whatever, baseball bats, the ones I want to know, but especially the shooters. How many individuals once they're studied, why did they do it? We don't have a motive. We're looking for it. How many Christian, God-fearing hunters have been found guilty of committing these crimes against their neighbors. I want them to research them.

They say, well, it's mental illness, it's that and the other. He had trouble child. I want to know how many God-fearing, Jesus-loving, spirit-filled individuals who have guns, and they are hunters. They hunt birds or deer or both. How many of those have been found? Is that their, is that their M.O.?

The ones that are Christians. What I'm saying is add them all up. How many of them were God-fearing Jesus-loving individuals? I want to know that. And I'm here to say that I believe you're going to find not one of them. Was a Christian, God-loving, Jesus-fearing hunter. I don't think you're going to find one of them if he was that way that did that, which would give us an idea on how to solve.

the problem. If you can't find any Christian young boys that are shooting up the place, why? Why is it? Well, but I do think you got mental illness, you got other factors, you know. I mean, but it is a problem. I mean, like I said, even the school system itself. Are the Christians doing the killing? It's what my question is.

When you take God out of the scenario. But, you know. And to that's point, money hasn't fixed it out. No. Money has it? Background checks have not fixed it. say, no, they do all they say. If you immediately just go to the weapon of choice, obviously you're not dealing with the problem, which is your point, which I think is a good one. So send us

information. We're looking for that. So let's get right into where we left off last week. We've got a lot of comments from you guys this past week about the discussion we had last week, which is kind of a continuation of our sort of patriarch discussion from the book of Genesis. And we talked about Jacob and Esau, who were the twin sons of Isaac, who are the twin sons of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham. So we're kind of just following the seed line that we talked about and sort of that bigger picture. I had a lot of comments about, you know,

they're questions about asking about Romans 9. Because Romans 9, 10, and 11 is pretty difficult to understand. And people ask. Especially if you pull it out of the context of the book of Roman. But Genesis, I mean, a Romans 9 where he said, you know, Jacob I loved and Esau I hated, which people interpret to mean, you know, a lot of things. But when you read that that was a direct quote from Genesis 25,

and he was basically referencing the nations that would come from those two seed lines. I think Esau was the Edomites. And Jacob, obviously, Israel, which was his Jews. But the point for us, if you read Genesis 25 and you read what happened in like Malachi 1, which will be some research you can do. on your own. You'll come to the conclusion that was reached in Romans is that neither one of those really matter. It doesn't matter where you came from. As far as your human lineage is concerned. That's right. As far as your salvation. Your DNA. Yeah. You know, because our whole theme,

even for this podcast, you know, Romans 116, that we're unashamed because of the gospel, which whether you're a Jew or a Gentile, which is pretty much from Israel or anywhere else, you come together in salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. Correct. Which was his point. Which was his point, especially in Romans 9 through 11, which he was speaking to that Jewish audience, that first century Jewish audience. To prove your point, Jays, we didn't go into this much last time, but I did mention that

you remember God made a prediction. He told the mom, Rebecca, here's what he told her. The Lord said to her, this is Genesis 25, 23, two nations are in your womb. So in other words, he told her, he gave her the big play right there. Big time planning behind all this. That's why we said the scheme of redemption. A lot of people, they were asking about that. We're not getting it.

But, you know, it's hard for you just to take something out. Right. You know, we're telling these stories like they're stories, but they're actually way bigger than that. God was looking at it from nations and for thousands of years down the road. You'll get that high view. Yeah, to at one time in our history to bring all nations under Jesus. The hall of faith is being,

you're reading about the hall of faith because just Joseph, which we're talking about today, Genesis 39, about verse 5, The Lord blessed the household of the Egyptian because of Joseph. You read a few verses over by the time you get to verse 21. While Joseph was there in prison, all these ups and downs of a young man's life, the Lord was with him.

He showed him kindness and granted him favor in the eyes of the prison warden. even when he was in that. Verse 23, the warden paid no attention to anything under Joseph's care. They're cutting him some slack, and someone says, why are they doing that? Because the Lord was with Joseph and gave him success. Listen, and whatever he did, he was a man of faith. But if you don't look at those verses, by the time you get to the Apostle Paul describing what happened to the Jews as a nation and their rejection of Jesus,

you say it begins to form a pattern in the last few words of genesis you get to the very end the last chapter in genesis 50 50 you get in it 24th Joseph said to his brothers I'm about to die you say end of the line for Joseph we read about his life but God was with him because of his faith here comes this fine woman the king's wife going to you know have sex with him Joseph stood his ground. So we got somebody shocker of shocks in this case. It wasn't a man. It's always in our culture these days.

The man's always the culprit. But in this case, well, what do you know? We have a woman amazing trying to seduce a man. You're like, what in the world? It does happen, ladies and gentlemen. But it is quite a story. You got 13 chapters basically with one story. It was Joseph.

God will surely come to your aid, is what it says in Genesis 50, 24. We're back on Joseph in his faith. To the land he promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now we're putting them all together, the men of faith, through whom the seed line Jesus came and the timeline. Joseph made the sons of Israel swear an oath and said, God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up from this place.

So the writer in Hebrews brings that up when he's talking about the Hall of Faith, Al. That's all he said about Joseph was that he wanted to see the promised land with his bones. When his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instruction about his bones. You say, well, what do you know? He was one of those men of faith going all the way back. go behind him and you get to Shim and you get to Noah

and you're going on back to Adam and Seth each one of those, that lineage, he follows that lineage and it's all, they all end up in the Hall of Faith way down through history. But set up the story. So Dad gave us the end. Let me back the rig up and start at the beginning. So

you have the two sons, you have Jacob and Esau, and we understand now those are nations as well as just men, which really helps that discussion and Jason brought up. So Jacob now, fast forward, and we talked about last week, how he had a life change experience in Genesis 32. And ironically, it was when he was about to reconnect with Esau,

which by the way, the prophecy was that the older would serve the younger, meaning Esau to Jacob. But that never happened in their life. That only happened as the nations, Edom to Israel, which is interesting to prove your point again. Boy, do you reckon God could see into the future? Oh my goodness. It's always that bigger view. You've got to remember that when you're looking at the scripture.

But we can't see that as humans. No. So that's why you read these stories and you're fascinated, which the details of all this makes you really realize, how could someone have made this all up? Can't do it. The one who wrote this, Moses, how in the world would he have known all about Jacob and his own?

You're going to thousands of years. How could he have known that? You're going of manuscripts over thousands of years and seeing references to nations in the big picture, and you're like, wait a minute, how did this guy know about that? It's just. All right, so here's the deal. So Jacob has 12 sons by basically four different wives.

And so Judah is long in there. I'm not sure I'd have to look, but he's around, you know, son number four. I mean, we'll take your word for it. All right. So he was a bunch of them. So the lineage that we talk about, this seed line, it's going to go through Judah, you know, which we'll talk about more later, but just remember, so he's the, one of the 12 sons where the lineage goes through. Joseph doesn't come along until right at the end, the last wife,

one of the first wives, but the last one to have children was Rachel, and she had two sons, and one of them was Joseph. And back then they lived longer and you had, you know, right. So he's at the end of the line. He's really, for a long time, he's the youngest son, but then until his brother came alone. So we start reading about him in Genesis 37. And so we find out that he was favored by Jacob because Jacob loved Rachel more than the other wives, which is a whole other thing we're not getting into, but this blended family is a lot of trouble. So the last wife, he loves her the most, the last one to have children. So he loves Joseph. But Joseph has a unique talent. Yeah. Dream. He's able to interpret other people.

dreams, including his own, which makes him not a fan favorite. He's about 17 years old. Well, his problem was he had a dream about his brothers, like pretty much like I did when I was a kid. And when you divulge that information, because basically you always come out on top, you know, no matter what happened, because it's your dream. And Joseph shared that. Because everybody was bowing down to him in the dream. He was like, I had a dream and y'all were all bowing. down, which is basically you think about when you're a kid, that's your goal. You want all your brothers to bow down. You want to be top of the mountain, which usually winds up and you rolling around. But to make this story worse, imagine if Jeff had told us about this dream to Willie, you and me,

we'd have said, hey, little short peeky finger, we're not, we're never going to bow. Well, he basically did try that. Well, I know you boys are my sons, but if you could see if I had time to sit down and talk to you about it. If you saw my dreams, it is a mighty throng of individuals in pursuit of me to take my life. I mean, there's, everybody's trying to kill me. Everybody's trying to kill me. In your dreams? In my dreams. They're coming. You should have had a psychiatrist come on. I mean, I'm getting down in my dreams. And when I really go to jump in the bed, and this case, say, hey, calm down here. Because she said, you're having another dream. I mean, I said, you know what just happened in my dream?

And she says, what? We're talking about this at 2 o'clock in the morning. I said, I was hanging by just one hand on a cliff, and below me was 5,000 feet of rocks. And I said, this dude has already stomped one hand, so I haven't the one hand left. What was this over? Huh?

What was it all over? He was just trying to kill you? I don't know what it's over. They just after me. You just come in there in the battle. I find myself with individuals worldwide or after me, and look, I'm hanging by one hand, and he is stomping on that hand when I wake up,

and I'm like, but here's the good news. Somehow I always am able to barely escape like the flames are leaping at me, and I'm just barely making it. Jay, as you'll appreciate this, first time I heard this, we were traveling with mom and dad, so we get to the airport.

It's five in the morning. It's the early flight. And mom's like, oh, my finger is hurting so bad this morning. I said, what happened? And she said, at 2 o'clock in the morning, I woke up just screaming because your dad was twisting my finger. And I was like, and I looked at dad. And so he tells the story of the guy who's looming over him trying to do it. And dad is peeling up what he thinks is the toe of his attacker.

But in reality, it was one of them stonling deals at the day. in and I heard somebody holler and I said, I've got him now, and I looked around, it is my wife, Ms. Kaye. So, mom, this is really disturbing. Oh, it's very, but look, I get so tickled at the air, I mean, I get so tickled in the retelling

of it because then Dad starts telling the dream that we're laughing so hard in the airport. Everybody there, you know, small airport is looking at us and we're just, I mean, belly laughing and I beat this. But then I realize this has been going on for a while. So I don't know if it's, there's a lot of things in the Bible where there was

communication that happened in dreams. You know, and if you were able to really, you know, divulge that, I mean, which he did, the whole, his whole story was revolved around these dreams and interpretation, which God was giving them interpretation. I'm not going to get a shrink's advice. I'm just going to live with the fact that I'm being pursued. Well, you kind of are, you kind of have been a marked man culturally. I mean, people do get after.

And you had a pretty, uh, maybe that's part of it. I don't know. Well, you had a pretty volatile past. So there may be, you know. But I have a theory about that, Jay. God always barely pulls me through it, so I'm thinking so. I mean, I have had some thoughts about people, and I woke up, and then I checked on, and there was some issue, and I thought, you know, was that God doing that?

Well, here's mine. I've woke up. I've, like, gone to bed troubled and praying about a situation. Somebody, usually it's a person that's going through something. And so I'm praying about their situation, and I woke up before at 4 in the morning with just a picture of, somebody in mind and then later on that day I think you know I think that may have been a message because that person I think could help this person so my here's my theory may be wrong it's just theory it's not biblical but since there's a lot of dream related stuff in the Bible because you know by the way

we didn't go into Jacob had a whole dream where he saw heaven and all this stuff so that may have been a genetic thing too dare way to heaven led Zeppelin got it from genesis yeah so I think when you sleep, you're subconscious, you know, that's probably maybe when we're the closest to whatever the other realm. In other words, your mind is, you're in deep sleep, but your subconscious has a kind of an awareness there because dreams are, let's face it, they're weird, you know. I go for months and everything is tranquil and all kinds of good dreams, but there are times if I do have one, it's the same, same MO. I'm being pursued. I'm being pursued. I'm being pursued and there's way, it's just you're not going to,

it's so many, you're not going to live past. In the waking hour, your brain functioning is going to block things that would try to get into that thought process. When you're asleep, that sort of self-defense is out. So then it's whatever's happening to have to go straight in. Here's what I don't like. I don't like it when my wife gets mad at me because I didn't execute, you know, to her expectations

in, you know, some kind of weird scenario or whatever. I mean, one of the biggest fights we ever had is, she was like, I had this weird dream. Some people broke in the house and you weren't here. I'm like, it was a dream. She's like, yeah, they were ransacking the place. I'm horrified. I mean, where were you at? I'm like, it was a dream.

I have enough mistakes already. Are you actually mad that I was gone, like playing cards or whatever? But she was like, well, I'm just saying. I mean, you need to be around. Yeah, I mean, you don't realize I was really scared. I was like, it was a dream. I usually end up and when someone says, can you figure it all out?

I said, no. But I usually end up with blessed or you when you are hated, when people hate you, when you are excluded, insulted, or your name is rejected because of me, Jesus. said great as your reward in heaven so i always go back to look i'm i'm i'm blessed no matter and somehow always in my dreams i barely pulled through every time so i do believe thank you lord for get me out of that one right i do believe what you put in helps with that you know it's just like what you put in your head it does affect you know what you dream of so which is another

it could be a side issue from spiritual warfare because we're in it boys let's face it but i mean i'm saying even in the christian music world and you know Bible studies and having good conversation i mean if you're looking at filth all the time you know on tv or you know around that's probably going to be well yeah then you're having these dreams i do think in that that view because the holy spirit doesn't stop working because you're sleeping but you know if you suppress it while you're awake right well what do you think you're going so so here's the deal with joseph he his dreams and at the time they were not well accepted but they did turn out to be true that's theirs of him his brother's

was really dogging him about it. Right. And he was going forward about 30 years in the future, God was giving him a glimpse of what really was going to happen. What's interesting is the brother's reaction plays into the narrative that had to happen to get Joseph to where he went. Which is the whole thing. But you got to, you know, what happened was they couldn't deep down in their heart killing him even though they hated him.

So he winds up. They called him the dreamer. Yeah, he ends up being sold in. of slavery, but God was with him. And so he worked with him, even, you know, in a situation where he was sold as a slave, he became, you know, he worked his way up the ladder. Some of his positions he ended up in, you wouldn't think he could have escaped it. Well, how he got there, which showed him got, by the way, the oldest brother, let me just speak up for oldest brothers. Now, they were all in on it, but the oldest brother Rubin, he did have enough wherewithal of us

because they were going to kill him. And he was. And he was, he was. And so he had, he was trying to talk him out of it. He was trying to talk him out of it. So they threw him in a cistern, which is a well. And then Rubin was going to double back and get him out of the well. Unfortunately, you know, they sold him before he got back. Now, Jay, you've had a little sister. Yeah, look, when we bought this old place right across the river right here, it has three cisterns.

And, of course, I said I got to get in the bottom. Oh, old sisters. Oh, yeah. I mean, 150 years ago. But I got in the bottom one that was dry because I was looking for treasure. and but when I got down in there, I thought about this story. I was down there five minutes and I thought, you're going to my rough. It's dark.

Clostrophobic. You can't breathe. Yeah, claustrophobic. I mean, what a terrible, you're way up under the ground. The air quality is terrible. I mean, what a terrible experience. And so what they did was they sold them into slavery, but what was even worse to cover themselves, they told a story.

Jacob had given Joseph a coat, you know, the coat of many colors we said, an ornamental robe type thing. So they took that, they put some goat's blood on it, took it back to Jacob, and basically broke their father's heart, which to me is one of the worst parts of the story. Because, I mean, they knew how much he loved it. They lied to cover that they'd sold him in slavery. They felt good they didn't kill him, but then they broke his heart. I mean, you know, and look, he was devastated, you know, because this was his favorite son. So that's the way it kind of gets led. So Joseph goes into Egypt, which is all part of God's plan.

Again, that big picture, because he's got something big. He's going to do in Egypt down the road. So he gets Joseph there. The first thing that happens, Joseph gets sold into one of the Pharaoh officials' house. So he's kind of one of the higher-ups. He's the guy. But he quickly, as you pointed out earlier today, show from the scriptures, God was with him, so he had success.

He's a young man. That's right. But he's the kind of guy. you can put in charge of stuff and it gets done and it gets done well until pharaoh's wife enters the until mrs pice i want to talk about her because mrs potterford comes along and to me it's evident when you read the text in genesis 38 39 or 3739 you see that she's the kind of woman that obviously is used to having her way with the help well i think it was more of you know pharaoh said you can he told joseph you can have anything you want there's some line in there somewhere except with my wife

Right. And so the one thing that she couldn't have was what she wanted. That's right. I think that's, and it was kind of, I think, a power trip. You know, you work for us. And it says he was handsome and well-built, you know. But from my experience, most women, it's not really about what men look like. You know, men are more visually stimulated.

I mean, I know there's a few exceptions, but I think men get that wrong about women. And it's usually more, it's something else besides that. I mean, because you'll see, you know, a lot of beautiful women married to men that you're like, you know, what's going on here? It puts it in a physical context. You're right. It says he was well-built and handsome.

So the Bible does let you know. He was a looker. And it was, you want something. It was forbidden. It was forbidden for both of them. You know, that's out. So the wife's like, hey, I'll do whatever. He told her. He said, my master has given me everything to be in charge of everything in his house except for you, his wife. He was letting her know your persona non grata. So he's running from her. But the Bible then says day after day, she pursued it. She's kept on trying. You know, she wouldn't stop, which to me is kind of that bigger picture of how this sort of.

A test of one's faith. Exactly. And especially sexual immorality type sins, how it's just insidious. I mean, It just continues to someone who's disliked in this situation. I've used this story many times in trying to help people, you know, like who are saying, oh, well, I'm private messaging this woman, you know, this guy's married, you know. And it's like just on social media, but it's no big deal. And I'm like, where's this headed? Where are we, it's always going to go somewhere.

You know, does your wife know about it? Well, no. It's like, but we're just, we're just messaging. but I always use their story's example. It's not going to, what is the end game to this? You're just going to have these conversations and it's never going to get to real life. I got a letter about the day, and a guy said,

I know this is sinful, Mr. Field, but my problem is I'm having sex with my girlfriend. I know what's wrong. I'm just in a fix, and I can't fix it. Can you help? And I said, Dan, I said, Dan, come in here and sit down with that black box of years. I said, send him this message.

Just stop having sex with her. Start right there. Have a change of mind or marrier, and then you can have all you want. But that's your options. Think about this. And that's the message I sent him. But he was saying, unlike Joseph, well, if I'm doing this, what can I do? I'm in a fixture and I can't get out of it.

and it's right there hiding in plain sight in front of them. Why don't you just stop doing it? Well, I think ultimately it's the motivation. I mean, I thought about, you know, the big controversy that you supposedly started by quoting a verse back in our GQ. We talked about this couple weeks ago, right, right. But you know what wasn't said in that interview?

Because I was there, too. The first question the guy asked me, first he said, well, how much money do you make on these events, you know? And I was looking around thinking, what's they going to do anything? And then he said, I mean, do you have to do? actually expect people to believe that you waited until you got married before you had sex and he kind of laughed and i felt like wink wink this is me what yeah yeah so evidently i realized oh he must have like googled some of my speeches because i talk about that and but to him the idea of someone

actually waiting to their marriage was like impossible they're like are you honestly telling people to do that. And you expect people to believe it? To believe that you did it? And so, you know, I think my response was I will not answer any more questions from you unless I have a

lawyer here. Because I sense that this is just a trunk of interview. And that's before he even got to me. Oh, yeah. Well, Phil, when he got to you, I thought it was over. I think I actually told everyone, well, there's fixed to be some controversy here.

because it was just all in those kind of questions, you know. But I will say this, and to say when someone asked that, we can't fix that stuff, it's all about motivation. I mean, and that's why we shared Jesus with people. I mean, that was the motivating factor with me. So I set up, it was actually easier to do that than people think, because you don't know what you're missing, number one. And number two, I set up a system where I was immediately telling girls

that I would date, here's who I am. here's what I want to do. What do you think? Can you help with this? And I don't know what I'm missing. To me, it's way more difficult to do what's described in, is it First Corinthians 6, where it says, you know, it goes through the verse that you actually quoted, you know, the homosexual offenders or sexual immoral prostitutes.

But it gets down to that key phrase, what is what, what was your point that night, which is then that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were just, in the name of Jesus. Well, to me, it's way more difficult to have that kind of lifestyle, then come to Jesus. He forgives you, he saves you, and then you now got to go lead a changed life. Granted, you have the spirit running the show, but now you know what you're missing.

I didn't. America is sort of, not sort of. America is very hesitant about entertaining even the thought of living a life. of restraint. Yeah. They're like, if you mentioned, you have to live a restraint. Well, they're like,

it's none of your business. We're not hurting anybody. Nobody's going to tell me who I have sex. But it comes down to a standard, which is true in our society. I mean, a lot of people, I think they're shocked at the way we view that. I'm like, whatever you do and, you know,

behind closed door, I really don't care. Now, when you come to Christ and you look at his standards and how he changes your life, well, that's a different thing, you know. You're wanting to trust. him and believe that God's way is the best way. But for this story, I mean, he didn't even do anything wrong. What's the exact wordage when finally the king's life? What was it? Where his coat was in her hands? Listen to this. So, so for, there's a lot of guys watching and listen

to us right now. So the principle is right there in that one verse. Now, I want you to think about this. When you think about sex, what verse is that out? This is Genesis 39-9. We mentioned the first part. my master's withheld nothing for me except you because you are his wife. First thing Joseph does is he recognizes that this woman belongs to someone else. And I always, when I talk about pornography, which is very rampant, obviously on the internet, I always tell men, when you're looking at these naked women and, you know, having these thoughts you're having, that's someone's either wife or daughter or girlfriend or a potential sister in Christ. if you just objectify it where it's some means for you to get sexual gratification,

you don't realize that's a human being that God created. That's the first thing he does. He turns this woman into someone's wife. See, in his mind, he's like, I don't need to do this. And then the second part is the most important part. Which kind of goes in with what we said about the dreams. Exactly. If you watch porn for, you know, four hours a day, what are you think you going to dream about?

What do you think you'll be doing? And look, it's not a bunch of guys chasing you off or Cleop. That's for sure. It gets worse. And then he says, how could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God? And there's the crux. My relationship with God says, no, I'm not going to do this. So what happens is to, quote, you, Dad, is she took that instead of saying,

okay, I need to back off on this guy. She went at him full board. He literally left his, and when he left, she's holding on to his jacket trying to hold him back. And she winds up with a jacket in her hand. He's out the door and gone. But then she had evidence, which eventually leads him to, going to prison where he flourished because God was with him. Well, right.

And then he starts interpreting these dreams and it comes back full circle while he's in charge again because he's the only one that could interpret the dreams. Which leads to his brothers who sold him into slavery during the time of the famine, which was the dream he interpreted. Exactly. But it started because he did the right thing. That's right. Well, he did the right thing at every turn.

Right. I mean, within reason. I'm sure he made mistakes and all. He did. But the tenor of his life was trusting God. And Al, to add to your point, your exegesis here, which was fantastic, you get down at the bottom of verse 12, your last option, I'm taking it, he left his cloak in her hand, and the last option, Al, is to run.

Hey, I've done it. Just run. You can always run. Here's the way to have, remember dad just tell us these means hit the road, boys, shaking that finger. You got to ride.

I had a girl call me. I didn't really date her, you know, but we were, I was interested. She was nice looking. And she called me one night, said she had a spiritual waiting and asked if I would come over

and talk to her, you know. So this was all revolving around something spiritual. Well, I knock on the door, and it looked dark inside, you know. And so she hollered, come in. Well, I walked in, there's nobody else there. Well, she came down the steps, and she's wearing nothing but a t-shirt and her underwear. And I looked around for other people, and I thought, what do I do?

And there was one word that popped into my head, run. This is too easy. I never have told you, boys, about this, but I always take a guy with me, but I could give you those same stories more than one. Sure. We're going to have a Bible study. I get there, and the same thing happened. But we're leaving rubber, literally tire rubber as we're leaving.

You say, you are getting out of there. But, man, I mean, you're talking about, who. You know what's weird? They have managed to work rubber. To this day, I know our audience will say, well, no, you old coot, you would think some old coot like me, the last. thing you'd see you as some woman coming up. But so many is, you know, I'd like to talk to.

But you were not going to come either. That's why I say take you a woman with you and your Bible with you wherever you go. I still do it. I still do it. Look, when you go out loud in public and out loud that you're a one woman type of man and when you profess Jesus as Lord, I think that's enticing just like it was. No doubt about it. For people to say, well, you wait until you get a hold of me.

You ain't going to turn me down. Because look, I tell you, all those stories that I had in high school of girls that I turned down for that reason, you would think they would be gone. But a lot of them, they just came a lot stronger. What stuns me is I tell Ms. Kay, I said, you know, I'm old enough to be that girl. She's coming on like that and all this stuff. Of course, it gets fires Ms. Kay up. She, she gets stirred up. But I said, you know what's amazing about it?

I'm old enough to be their grandfather. I mean, it's like young. It's an incredible story about just. Joseph, but I want to say when you get to... All you guys out there that are having problems with this, you read the story of Joseph, and it's a good pattern to copy. It is. He was a man of faith.

I like how it ends in that he was somehow attaining to the resurrection. This is so far before Jesus' resurrection, but he wanted his bones to be carried. I thought about that lonesome dove, you know, which is hilarious. and even... He has to take his body back to Texas. Yeah, he's like, I gave him a word. And he gets there and he said,

well, I guess that'll teach me. Give him his word. It's amazing how these stories, you wonder if this is where they get it from the Bible because they were basically... Sure, that's where they go. Joseph's body around to the promised land because he wanted to be resurrected from there.

It's an awesome story. So next time we're going to come up, we're going to pick up from here. I can't wait for you guys to hear where this goes because this is really sort of the planning of the seed that's going to really lead to something really huge when we get to exodus and beyond what God does is incredible. So we'll talk about this a little bit more next time. A great exposition. We'd love hearing from me. By the way, thanks so much. You guys made us number one

podcast, and that's just because you're watching, you're listening, you're telling other people about it. We really appreciate it for checking us out on Unashamed. And so we'll continue the story. There's a great verse to cap this all off. Cap it. When the Apostle Paul told the Corinthians flee from immorality. That's right. Flee, which means run. Leave your coat in their hand.

That's a good one. We'll see you next time. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.