Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 197 | When Phil Robertson Hit Peak Wicked, His 'Duck Jewelry' Collection, and Why We're X-Men

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

Phil and Jase tell the story of their "duck jewelry" collection. Phil admits to the boneheaded thing he did to prove his manhood. Zach thinks the discovery of Jesus' empty tomb would have been written very differently if it was fiction. Jase is fascinated by the bells and whistles of Jesus' glorified body and dismayed that there are people who really don't know where chocolate milk comes from. Al explains why we should call ourselves the X-Men. And Jase reveals what he'd say if he was arrested and interrogated for following Jesus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right, we're back. We have Zach and Al virtually from North Carolina. I know you've been impressed with the technology. Where we're at in our lives here, it's kind of like we've been talking about the burial of Jesus and the significance of it. But we're kind of in the burial mode of duck season because it starts. You have the first split. And then it ends, slash dies. Then you're in that burial stage of the split,

which I always take a trip during that. And then, of course, the resurrection is the final push, which is usually the best of the duck season. Would you agree with that assessment? Well, people who have made a living, literally, we made a living offer of the pursuit of water, Waterfowl. I thought you were going to say the pursuit of happiness. Which is the pursuit of waterfowl. So that kind of kicked this thing in the gear.

What came out of it, ladies and gentlemen out there in computer land, what came out of that is a group of individuals. Y'all be in the case. It's large now. You folks ought to know that. It's large. All of y'all there said, what's just, what's just ducked? deal going out. It is interesting that we're talking about God becoming flesh, dying on a cross, being buried, and being raised from the dead. They were either the greatest liars of all time or what they said was true. I've read their account and I believe it. And that's why, if you noticed, the podcast is called Unashamed. Romans chapter 1, verse 16, I am not, the Apostle Paul said, and I can say,

Jason and I and Al and Zach, we're not. We're not ashamed of the gospel. We're just not ashamed of it. Because it, the gospel, is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. That's for everybody. For in the gospel, the narrative about Jesus who he is,

he came in flesh, we remembered from John 1-1, John 11th. He dies on a cross, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is buried, and three days later is raised from the dead. In the gospel, a righteousness from God is revealed,

how to be right with God. it's through a person and what he did and your faith in that. I mean, give me a break. We're unashamed of that. Eternity is tied to it. A righteousness is revealed. It comes by faith from first to last just that it is written. That's one.

So we're not ashamed and we put that as the heading of what we are discussing, which makes it very pertinent. again, the apostle Paul wrote this. God did not give us 2nd Timothy. He's writing to Timothy 1, verse 7. God did not give us a spirit of timidity. That's why you folks are listening to you're saying, there is absolutely no fear among those guys when it comes to the gospel.

They do not fear that. They're not ashamed of that at all. life and immortality watch so god gave us a spirit of power of love and of self-discipline so do not be ashamed to testify about our lord are ashamed of me his prisoner they'll put you in jail over it well you know they're already leaning that way these left-wingers but join with me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God. He saved us. He called us to a holy life,

not because of anything we've done, but because of his own purpose and grace. Therefore, after following Jesus for the last 45 years, that's when I said, let's spill some duck calls, our family. We're going to fish a while and live

off that and then we'll do it and look here's the final phase Jace picked that up there if you will Yeah a lot of people Jace was with me all the way Look jace was there You see these Now look for the people listening

Phil they're saying what in the world is that What is this? These are bands that they put on duck legs In Saskatchewan, Manitoba British Columbia the Dakotas

Montana, Kentucky, Tennessee. These are bands on how they track ducks. It's bands with numbers on it. You see that number. Call it in. They'll say how old the duck was. And they'll send you a little certificate. Send you a little certificate.

Now, I will say this before, because a lot of people saying, what in the world? Now, they're slings for these. Duck jewelry. Now, they track the duck, and these are different species, different kinds through the years.

This represents all the ducks on the Mississippi Flyway. Mallards, Teal, Gadwall, Whiggin, we've got bands from all of them, over a 50 years span. These are actually quite rare. Oh. You might kill one out of a thousand? If you see an individual and his partner, in this case, two rednecks, Phil Robertson and Jason Robert, and they show you this, it's like the one right here, Jace. Mm-hmm.

I shot that one back in the 70s up around Mars flag, 50 miles north of here. They had been on the duck so long that all the numbers faded off of it. I sent it to the state police, and they had some kind of thing when crooks file their numbers off pistols and all. Well, they took some kind of microscope and gave me the number that I couldn't read on that band. How old was the duck? Do you remember? And I sent the band in, and that duck was 13 years old. Oh, wow.

So a canvas-backed duck evidently can live a long time. All kinds of stories about these. This right here is a gathering of 50 years, and you duck hunters, the ones you know, you're watching, you're looking at that saying, them old boys have spent a lot of time in the duck blind to harvest that many. So tell the story on why you gathered these up. You had some on your lanyard that you'd killed recently, and they were rattling. So you were going to put them with the rest of them, and I think you were surprised.

I just went in there in my old room where I stashed stuff like that, and I said, I need to get these bands because my duck calls are hitting them in a jingling when I called. So I said, I need to get transport these. I had about 10 or 12, 15 of them over the last three, four years. So I took those, and you have to open them up. They're made out of some aluminum. them so I pride them apart off my hunting duck calls and I put them in a line and I just got to notice and I said man what is it six foot long it's six foot yeah it's a string so those that

you can't see it's a little silver looking they just curl them it's the way they check duck they get numbers and when we shoot them they want us to shoot them when we shoot them during duck season if one's got a ban we say wonder where he came from and where they banned him. Send the number in. They'll send you back a certificate that said this duck was one year old when banded four years ago in Manitoba, Canada.

And actually they have some that have two bands, and one of them will be a reward band. Sometimes they get a little money out of it. Sometimes they have a reward ban on them, and so I think, I killed, I shot one of a 50. About 50 bucks,

wasn't it? I had 50 bucks, but you've killed couple too, hadn't you? I've killed a couple. Yeah. Where they pay you. And you've also shot one that had an actual transmitter and it was a canvas bag that they had died yellow. The story was they had died, the government died, if you wonder where your tax dollars are going, that's an eye roll for you listeners. They died a hundred yellow, a hundred pink, a hundred. Floresic green. Yeah. And so they were tracking them. And they wanted. They would stand out. when they flew by. They wanted you to shoot them and they're tracking them.

So it's pretty interesting. I didn't know they'd done that. And my buddy and I, he was an atheist at the time. I converted to him two months before he died, which he made it, barely. But he told me, I said, why is this duck, this canvas back yellow when he should be gray and black with a maroon head? And my atheist buddy said, well, eons ago, there was a genetic malfunction somehow. and he come out yellow.

He was a biologist, right? Biology teacher. Yeah. So I sent the number in and I said, we've got this rare canvas back and, uh. That has been genetically altered to- The end of years of years of time and we, you know, any money in this, you're going to pay us some money to tell you about it. To rare ducks.

Some professor from, from, uh, up around Chesapeake Bay said, first of all guys, he sent me a letter. He said, you don't have a rare duck. You have a died duck. We died him yellow. green, some pink, so we could fly in an airplane 300 miles south or where we banded him or all the way down to y'all. We're glad you got him because we didn't know they went that distance from Chesapeake Bay to North Louisiana, but you found a dyed ducks. We put him colorful

because we've noticed, especially people in Louisiana, he said, I don't want to use rednecks because that's a derogatory term, but anything y'all can't identify, you kill it. And then you figure out what it is and then you figure out whether you can eat it or not yeah so we die ducks and you all see them good night a yellow duck kill him so that's our typical culture when you find something they immediately because your buddy who i know well who is not a believer they're trying to find this missing link to the evolution chain that could possibly show that oh there is no god and they come you know he came up with all the sophisticated data and all that no just some old boy dipped a canvas back in some yellow paint.

So we've killed died ducks. We've killed ducks that are albinos, like an albino mallard, solid white mallards. And you say, man, they look strange, but they do, they stand out in a bunch of mallors because there's one white one. And one time I said, good night, kill that white one. There's some kind of white mallard in there.

Albino, albano, boom, boom. Remember the mule ducks. We've shot half, mule ducks. Tin tail, half. mallard. Yep. I've seen a half green wing

teal and a half mallard, which is interesting because the green wing tail is like three times smaller. They can't reproduce like a mule. You know, they can't reproduce.

What did you call them? What kind of duck do you call them? Mule duck. Mule duck. That's what they call. Mule duck. Does that mean it's half duck, half mule?

No, that means he's half and half of something. He's half. two different. Because what is a mule? A mule is half donkey, half horse? Mallor's produced mallards, teal produce every once in a while,

somebody gets frisky out there in the dead or not. See, that's where these gender, now that we've learned that there's more than 70 different genders out there according to the world, see, they use these types of things as basis, but what they forget, they're ducks. That's right. And they're all brown,

and it's just like every one of us has a, our difference as humans, but they're just grasping at some straw that's not there. So that's what we're doing. That's what you do during the split is you go down memory lane of all the, you know, what happens in the duck world. I go on the road because I just want to keep hunting. So. So let's take a quick break.

So, Dad, what would be your guess is to how many ducks have to die over a lifetime? to produce a set of jewelry that would go around a Christmas tree like we just saw. I thought about it, and all I can say is it took right at probably 50 years to amass this many. The short answer would be the limit. So it's like 140, 140-something bands. So I figured it out, and it's a little less than a little less than. just under three a year. As your representative, I would say whatever the law legally allowed me to shoot.

Yeah, Jay's, but we're clearly on record as before Dad was a Christian, he wasn't always such a man of the law. Yeah, there's a statute of status. I would say that's what I was going to say. At my peak, if you want to call it a peak of the wicked, at my wicked peak, I went without shoes when I was about 24 and 24. I disowned the idea of wearing shoes. I waited during duck season with no shoes.

I got in the blind with no shoes. I'm on walking on hot pavement. It's not bother me. Let me ask you before you can do. I'm going to briers. How much was whiskey involved in this decision? It played a major role in the shoeless one. Yeah, I would say so.

But after I learned the air of my ways, I went back to the shoes. I will say that it is. amazing how thick a callous area will form on the bottom of your feet. You've seen the native somewhere over in Africa running through the coals? Yeah. I was at that stage. The reason I did that because I was into me, and the mantra was, who's a man? Well, some people say that you're...

That was my trying to show what manhood really was, which, let's face it, I'd have burned in hell if God had called us in. Well, some people say your feet can tell a lot about your life. And in your case... If I showed my feet on air right now and people looked at them, they'd say, that old boy has had some rough times. I mean, I showed your feet. I got knobs, bunions, twisted toes.

I'm going to tell you, if you showed your feet, we would have to change our rating from G to R because of graphic and disturbing images. I can't show my feet because you, y'all... They would hide their eyes if they saw my feet. People would scream all across the world. My feet took a beating. Yeah.

Think about it. No shoes for two years. Don't take this the wrong way, but you had the ugliest feet. And it's not even close of anything that I've ever imagined. And I know how I got them, my man. Hey, Jay's, you remember when we were kids, dad would come in from squirrel hunting, and he'd had a lot of squirrels. And mom, because he went barefooted over socks.

And so mom would spend probably, what, two hours picking thorns out of his feet. With a flashlight and a magnifying glass, and she was just, which to me, I don't like anybody touching my feet. I'm kind of weird about it. Either I get tickly or I just makes me uncomfortable, but just propped his foot up there. Embedded thorns. That would be, they went through the callous area, and they're now into my flesh. so Ms. Kay would dig them out many, many times she spent digging thorns out of my feet. So you have a handle on what Paul said when he said the evil one had given him a thorn in his flesh. That is correct. To torment him.

I had many. Nice segue. You're welcome. That's pretty good, Dad. I think we're in the text we've been studying. We're in talking about, we've been talking about. the resurrection and um we're talking about the burial that's right because you got to have a burial before you have a resurrection right and so so last time we sort of started talking about when he

came back and he appeared first of all to mary magdalen um which was interesting and then you know also you know an angel uh showed up as well and said said his clothes gleam like lightning What do you make of that? I don't know. One book said he was an angel. Another book just said he was a man who's gleamed like, you know, and one version said two men. Yeah.

So it was really interesting that, you know, you get a little bit different look as to what all happened there, but we know one thing. You know, every time Dad went through the gospel order, every time there's a segment when Jesus came here, when he was in the garden, the night before he, you know, was arrested at the tomb, when he left here in Acts 1

and then when he's coming back, he says come back with a powerful angel. Angels were present at every major part of Jesus' story, which I thought was interesting that God sent them to kind of be there for him during these crucial points of the gospel story.

That's interesting. Also, what's cool to me is if you back up just a little bit to where we're at last week talking about Joseph of Iramathias and his role that he played in the burial of Jesus. It's interesting that that was a prophecy that had to be fulfilled that Jesus would be buried into a rich man's grave.

And so, I mean, he played a big part in the fulfillment of prophecy. And he also plays a big part in the apologetic of how we know Jesus actually rose from the dead. I mean, one of the things that we look at when we analyze, like this text, for example, is they would call this a, what's the term they use? It's not an embarrassing detail, but there's certain facts that would lend us to believe that Jesus was who he said he was and that he actually came from the grave because had he been buried in a common man's grave, then nobody would have known where that grave was at.

No one would have had a clue. Well, at the fact that... Yeah, when I first heard that, Zach, the gospel of Jesus, and I repented and turned to it. Here's the impact, and y'all will verify this from watching me over the last 45-50 years. First Thessalonians 4 verse 11, make it your ambition. Because of the gospel, what is is, to lead a quiet life, you say you stay in the woods most of your life yep that's where all them bands off the ducks came from

to mind your own business and to work with your hands just as we told you so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody he's saying except god be dependent on god now watch this brothers we don't want you to be ignorant about those fall asleep, the ones who die because of the gospel or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. Most people, there's a certain amount of crying

at funerals because they think we've lost them. We've lost their uncle, we've lost their dad, we've lost them. We believe, listen, that Jesus died and rose again. We're right back to the gospel. In every facet,

your lifestyle, making your ambition, live a quiet life. with your hands, just as we told you. He says, look, don't be ashamed to testify about me. And if you live like that, you'll come out not being upset or overly upset when physical death supposedly ends it. You live on and on and on, soul and spirit, your body will be raised, reunited with your soul and spirit.

you say, man, I mean, he has done it. All I have to do. And it's interesting, the lifestyle he kind of points us to. Make it your ambition, quiet life, mind your own business, work with your hands. You're like, I've tried my best to fulfill that text ever since I read it way back, 50 years ago, Jason. I think Zach brought up a good point about Joseph of Arimathea. You know, the March account in Chapter 5. 15 and verse 43.

It said he was a prominent member of the council, which we've already talked about before. He was kind of a secret disciple. A big dog. Yeah, he was a secret disciple for this, which was not good. But you said, well, why was he even there? It said, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God,

went boldly to pilot and asked for Jesus' body. So he had made this transition because of the cross from being a secret, or perhaps you could even call him a coward to now be in bold and courageous. Plus he's kind of big dog, so Pilate would have said, oh, yeah, well, get rid of him, you know, do what you want to with him. Well, right. But what I thought was interesting is that his draw to Jesus, even though he had socially distanced himself spiritually or, you know, publicly, that draw of that waiting for the kingdom of God. You know, Jesus came here saying, repent for the kingdom is near.

Now, there's a lot of people. He's a rich man, but he's not doing it for the money. That's right. There's a lot of people still waiting for the kingdom. Yeah. And here's this guy who's going to the grave because he was waiting for the kingdom, which we believe that when Jesus died and was buried in rose and poured out his spirit, you now had access to being a part of the kingdom of heaven on earth.

Yep. So, you know, we went from the kingdom as near. to the kingdom is here. You know, through Peter's sermon. I just thought it was interesting. You said, well, what was the draw for him? I mean, why is he wanting to participate in this? He wanted to be a part of that eternal kingdom

that crushes all other kingdoms and that itself would endure forever. And I think he had concluded that that Jesus is the king. Do you have any verses on the impact? that the resurrection three days later had because they're working with his burial. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

Now, I don't know if he had deduced that he was raised spiritually, but something happened on the cross when he saw that cross that he had concluded. It got dark. He's the king. He's the king. Yeah. Or, you know, hey, Jay's, let's take a break. Or maybe he didn't know.

It said he had been looking for the kingdom. Maybe he just thought it was over. because he was dead, and so he was just doing it to honor Jesus. Same with Nicodemus. I don't know. I mean, you know. Yeah, I don't either. I just thought it was an interesting line, you know.

But how you would think that he was one of the 500 in 1st, Corinthians 15 that Jesus appeared to? I would think, is there a text that says that? I don't believe it is. Well, it says several others. When he said 500, so he could have been one of the 500. I would think if he was participated in his burial, I would think he was one of the ones that found out about his... I think that's a fair... If you get your name in the Bible, there's a reason.

It's like when you watch a movie and they sell some random guy over there, he's going to come back. But how did he get the part? Why is he in here, you know? That's what I'm saying. I think you're right. And Nicodemus was interesting, too, because we actually see him pop up two other times than John, you know, one, the secret meeting in John 3. And then he sort of was like trying to take up for Jesus in John 7,

but he was really doing it. He was doing a soft pedal. But he did question the high priest and got rebuked over it. So you kind of see his growth that gets him to that point that he would be a part of that moment at the barrel, too. Yeah, no doubt. To me it reminds me, you know, I remember when Jesus was born and there's a couple of characters there in Luke, too. This just popped into my head. that it's like all these people who had read the Old Testament,

they were just doing the same thing we are today in that they wanted to be a part of this everlasting eternal kingdom. And who is this king? But this, I've never heard anyone discuss this. But in Luke 2 at Jesus's birth in 25, it says there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout, he was waiting for the consolation of Israel,

which is the same thought of this bringing together, you know, Israel or who is the king, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. I think that's interesting. And it says, it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord Jesus Christ. Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts,

and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the law required because they were fixed to circumcise him. Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying, sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace for my eyes have seen your salvation which you have prepared in the sight of all people a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel that is cool yeah I was just going to make Al's point that God had he knew those and moved in those

through his Holy Spirit to give who Jesus is some credibility and you see it in his birth. You see it in his life, those who would... Even while Jesus was a child. Yeah, I thought it was an incredible story. Tell about the woman too, Jay, is Anna, because she was pretty interesting. Well, and then Anna's next. She says, then Simeon blessed them and said to marry his mother, this child, because then Anna comes up, is destined to cause the falling rise in many in Israel, which was true. And then the next verse in 36, it says, there was also a prophet this Anna, the daughter, and it goes through her genealogy,

she was very old. She had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage. She had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage. I guess she got married when she was old. No, it just meant she was a widow a long time. He died seven years after they were. Oh, I see. And then, oh, and then was a widow because, yeah, until she was 84.

So it's elderly woman with a lady. She never left the temple but worship night and day fasting and praying. Coming up to them at that very moment when Jesus was in the same moment of Simeon. Yep. She gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem. She was basically saying, there's the one. There's your Messiah. You've been waiting on.

They're like, do what? Now, can you imagine the carpenter son? The people around there were saying, they're like, oh, we've got some boo-do guy here who thinks he's full of, you know, some spirit. And we got this old woman. That's the apparent. That's what I'm saying. When you translate that into our world, these are cookie movie moments. Oh, yeah.

You just look at them and say, yeah, I bet there's something to that. Well, even moving forward now, we take for granted a lot of this historical record here, even going back to John 20, thinking about it was women who first discovered the empty tomb. That was the embarrassing detail I was mentioned earlier. Josephus, I forgot how he said it, but something to the effect of a woman's testimony is less than that of a dog. So if you were making this story up, that's one of the reasons why historians believe that this resurrection actually happened is because if you were making it up, you know, 2,000 years ago,

you would not have written into the account that women were the ones to testify to the first testimony of the empty tomb. You would have had men finding the impetus, but you don't. So we take a lot of these facts for granted, but just the importance of what role women played in the early church and even in the, even in now, you know, what we believe about the resurrection of Jesus, by which we're saved, you know? No doubt.

Plus it's also what I get from that for Simeon and Anna is it's a great reminder that even when you look around and you think that nobody gets it and nobody understands, there's always going to be a remnant of people that have enough faith in God. They're going to be there. They keep popping up throughout all the scriptures, not just in this story, but all the way through. There are people that believe in God. There are people that are there. And it's almost always that all is lost. Like Elijah, remember when he was like, I'm the only. only one left. There's nobody left. And God told us. That's what drew me to those two stories,

because I did a lesson one time of the, the, the, the, it was something like, uh, being the minority of one. Because when you're, and that came from my experiences in high school, even though, you know, isolation is always a weakness. I mean, God said, we're two or three or gather. You need relationships, but you get out there sometimes. And because of fear, or whatever, it's hard to just be the one voice that says, boys, I'm not doing this. It's just hard to be that minority of one in those few moments in life where you're, and I think a good thing to do. Especially in the computer world, the cell phone world.

Well, right. I think a good thing to do on it. Yeah. Let's take a quick break. And look, sometimes I think the most simplistic things, whether I'm at an event where everyone's, you know, hammered but me. Sometimes I'll just make a declaration. I'm like, I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I mean, just in that moment, I'm a minority, minority of one. Yeah, Mary Magdalene was the woman who was crying when she went in, went up to the tomb. The disciples went back to their homes, John 20, verse 10. Mary stood outside of the tomb crying as she wept. She bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and other at the foot. They ask her, woman, the angels, why are you crying? They've taken my lord away, she said, and I don't know where they've put him.

At this, they, at this she turned around, and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus, which adds a little fuel, Jace, to that glorified body idea. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think we'll have a whole podcast

on what the new body will do. Yeah. We need to, Al, we need to do a podcast called the bells and whistles. Yeah. Of the new body. I tell you what, since I'm preaching on that this Sunday, why don't we do that on our next podcast, Jay?

Let's do it. But I like the bells and well, because, you know, if you get a body, you know, just look at it from an automobile perspective. Let's face it. We own the earth. There's a lot of bodies out there from anywhere from a Volkswagen, a beat up Volkswagen, you know, to a Tahoe to a Lamborghini. Stay away from the world. Or the one you just sold me. Or the one I just, I mean, just literally just beat to death, like a night.

What is that, a 1970-something land cruiser? I can't remember. I mean, it's just, but I think when you look at it from that perspective, and then you look at the new body, because he was doing things that we can't do. He was flying. He was not disfiguring, but like camouflaging himself. Well, thinking he was the gardener, this is, yeah, Magla, said,

sir, if you've carried him away, tell me where you put him, and I'll get him. Jesus said to her, Mary, so somehow by her, by his, that tone of his voice, her having known him before he died, she turned around and cried out in Aramaic, Raboni, which means teacher. I thought it was Rabon. He said, look, Rabin, I, whatever. Don't hold on to me. I've not yet returned to the father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, I'm returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God. She went to the disciples with the news.

I've seen the Lord. And she told them that he had said these things to her, which is a pretty interesting story. Something about his body was like, what did you call it, Jay's it was like he could be transformed. You couldn't tell quite. It's kind of like all these bad sci-fi movies where they always, you can have shapeshifters and transformers,

and you know, you can be a car and you turn into a diesel truck. All the kids are watching. We actually have something that can do this. But Jay's, like you always say, where do you think they came up with that idea? Every one of them. I told you that about Taylor Swift. And I'm getting all emails about it. I didn't know you's a big Taylor Swift fan.

No, I'm a Jesus fan, and I know he's forevermore. That was my point. So I'll buy his album. But I'm not standing in line to buy something. You think, though, she's a cutie pie. You think that. No, I think my wife's a cute. I'm a one,

that's it. Nice recovery, man. Nice recovery, yeah. We'll play this for missing. Thank you. Thank you. I just, look, I have my, my radar up on anything I see that comes from Jesus

that people in the world try to use for money. And look, it's over and over. Just Google it all, miracle cures and eternal eye lines. and that was an eternal eye shadow what what happens when you cry oh well it it can run down your face what happened to this eternal stuff yeah because they want more money you know but Tammy pay Baker can turn me so but look I did want to say Al before we move on

Zach had an excellent point a female and male equality 100% is only found in Jesus and it came way about all this, you know, the patriarchs being, well, in our culture, they're like, well, men make money, more money than women. Yeah, in a lot of circles. Is it wrong? Yes. But what I'm telling you is, Jesus bunked all that 2,000 years ago. He said, in Christ, there's no male or female. Let's take one last break. So here's the way Mark put it, Mark 16, you know, the two disciples, Because right after this, right after he appears to Mary, before he appears to all the disciples, he finds two of them walking on the road, which I thought it was funny because, like, everybody's hiding out, but these two decided they needed a road trip, I guess, to just get away.

So it's like a seven-mile walk. And here's the way Mark put it. He said, afterward, Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. and then Luke 24 kind of details it. But a different form. So, I mean, it really is shapeshift. I mean, he could make himself look like it. Because he just shows up in Luke 24,

and he's just walking with him. He's like, hey, what are you guys, what are y'all talking about? What's happening? Well, even all that. And he came in the room when the doors were locked. Right. But he also did this.

He also ate some fish on the creek bank. Plus, he's doing all these. He's doing all these appearances, Al, but I love the text that says in John 20 right on after his resurrection, because you've seen me talking to Thomas, because Thomas said, I'm not going to believe it unless I see the marks. Well, he said, put your finger here, see my hand, reach out your hand, put it into my side with whatever that means, stop doubting and believe. He said, my Lord of my God, because you've seen me, Thomas, you believe. And here we come, Jace. Blessed are those who have not seen yet have believed.

Well, that's where we are. I've never seen Jesus. Have you, Jace? Only in people. Yep. I mean, only through the spirit and only in the red letters. But when we see him as he is, I think we'll know. But he's also able to do other things.

That's why when people say, well, how old are you? going to be and what are you going to look like uh think bigger you're you're thinking way to you know who you're going to be married to oh i was married four times i'm just so stressed out no think bigger you're going to be able to be any age of yourself because he was he was being himself at one moment and then he was shapeshifting in another moment you're going to be bigger than that and i'm assuming that when he did that with all the disciples and with Thomas that he could also take his body back to this where it was when he came off the cross so he you know what I'm saying he he showed them that stage

of it when he still had the nail holes and the yeah the scar that's what I mean he could go back and show you can we're just not thinking big enough you if you control atoms and molecules you can do way more than you can ask or imagine that's why he said that then he appears to he appears again to his disciples. He's sitting there and said, bring some of the fish you've caught. He said, come have breakfast. And he said, he's eating fish with him. So, you know, it's a body that can eat.

So I don't know. What you think, Jay actually did it twice. He did it the first time he appeared to him in the room. He said, he asked him if they had anything to eat. They brought him a piece of broil fish. Oh, I love that. When he said, do you have anything to eat? Al, maybe a title, also an alternate title, besides the bell and whistles, would be, are you the gardener?

That's pretty good. Or what's the menu? Yeah, what's the menu? Or what's on the menu? But are you the gardener says something that I think for our world, a lot of people just think that he's just a gardener, just standing there. You know, until you pursue him and see what he really did, I don't know, he's not. not the gardener. You look at the other two

appearances post ascension of Jesus. You talk about think bigger. I mean, both of the times he appeared in scripture post ascension. One, Saul on the road to Damascus, then the sight was so overwhelming that Saul

falls on his face and he's blinded. And then the other one is in Revelation when he appeared to John, the Revelator. But same reaction. I mean, And it's, you're looking at a picture of glory and power. And I mean, like, so whatever, you know, whatever body Jesus is in now, we know that it can manifest itself but a light that is so bright that it blinds you

and sears your eyes shut. Yeah. That's why that confusing passage in 1st Corinthians 15 when it says it is sown in weakness, raised in power, it is sown in shame, raised in glory. It is sown perishable, it's raised in perishable. But then it says it is sown a natural body is raised in glory. raised a spiritual body. And the reason I said it's controversial, because people are like, well, it's not a body.

No, it's a body. It's a body. But it's a body that you've never had any experience with because it can be a spirit, go through a wall, or it can show you a scar. Yeah. So you say, well, I don't understand in my mind. Yeah, people say, well, in my mind, I can't get a grip on that. But you got to remember in our culture, that's the biggest problem.

That's why you've got to continually introduce Jesus. I saw some poll the other day. They had all these weird facts that people believe. There were 16 million people in America that believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows. 16 million. And I said, well, no wonder it's so hard to convince people that Jesus raised from the dead. They're looking at chocolate milk saying, boy, I tell you what, give me that brown cow because i like it chocolate milk this wasn't a joke this these

they think that so i'm like what was the age group did it give you an age group i mean i can't remember the detail i was so i was so hot after i read that and they wonder why they voted for the marxist this time around well i actually what i did when i read that is i hollered out i said what are we doing and missy's like what happened i was like and i told her the stat and she's like That's ridiculous. But I'm just saying that's what we're up against, babe. You know, I mean. So, Jay's, if you wanted to know, if you wanted to have a visual of the glorified body of Jesus,

just go watch an X-Men movie. And, of course, every time I watch those movies, I'm thinking, you got this from Jesus. You got this from Jesus. Because everyone, think about that. They said it was all mutation from evolution is the movie premise. But every one of them has a lot of these you see right here in the screen. You've got the blue woman that can become anybody. You've got the little blue guy that can just show up in the room and then leave out the other.

I mean, all the different. The fire thrower. Yeah. Look, the fire. You got Wolverine. You got Wolverine. He can't die. He can't die.

Mm-hmm. Oh, they're all over. The invisible. The guy who can go. And look, what about the ones with the storms? The woman. She opens around. Her eyes turned white and all the storms.

start being her defender. You got the nature collar. All the animals are behind him. They're getting there. Well, no, they got it from. They're trying to take what he did and make it their own. And if you pay them seven bucks, it's probably 10 now, then you can have this experience.

You can see it. And Jesus said, well, just come to me, you get it for free. You know, but whatever a Bible cost is. Yeah, paid for. Come on, join the team. and then people look at us and say this is ridiculous they put what we believe on the equivalent of the chocolate milk that that's what they think so because i had these discussions here's an alternative title then we can call ourselves the x-men and because we're going to be like christ because listen to this first john three

see what great love the father has lavished on us that we should be called children of god that's what we are the reason the world does not know us is that it did not know us is that it did not know know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God and what we will be has not yet been made known, but we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Preach. That's good enough for me. Not a preach. I'll preach. I mean, we are X-Men, we're going to be able to do all the same stuff in a resurrected glorify our body that Jesus did. But can you imagine the reality of this? If we ever come to a time in our country where you're arrested for being a public vocal follower of Jesus,

which could happen in other countries. Can you imagine when you're sitting in the interrogation room and they're asking you questions and you're like, well, actually, I'm invisible, I can walk through walls. I'm actually indestructible. There's no age that, you know, because they say, how old are you? Like, just pick a number.

I'm it. are you getting this i can go through walls and of course they're going to say we'll prove it we'll prove it and that's really i can fly without a rocket booster fly i can just take off right now and fly even though it hasn't manifest itself you'll see it trust me sir before you were born i am yeah you start talking this and they're like yep yep is anything else well i'll control all items and molecules, gravity, the law of gravity with every other law you can think of. It does not apply to me. I am eternal. Jim, would you bring the straight jacket in here? We've got somebody delivered to the ninth floor. But seriously, that's what would happen. Yeah. That's why it's

comical to have these discussions, you know, amongst people. They probably will take excerpts of this and listen to it for comedic value. But we're serious. They think we're nutty. for following Jesus, we think they're nutty for not following Jesus. Yeah, the ultimate bell and whistle, that is that in your eternal state, that you're in your eternal state in the presence of God, in the presence of Christ. And that is the ultimate bell and whistle is to be in his presence and to be basking in his eternal love and his glory. All right, we're out of time.

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