Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 205 | Phil's Top Shot, How Hunting Saved a Heroin Addict's Life, and Jase Freaks Out an Intern

Episode Date: January 10, 2021

Phil, Jase, and Al welcome Yeti's Sloane Brown to share his powerful story about addiction, recovery, and finding God in the outdoors. Jase scares an intern on a duck hunt. Phil makes one of the top shots of the year. The guys talk about how God reveals himself and living a lifestyle that's good for the soul. And Jase inspires a "Jerry Maguire" moment and cautions against getting your theology from an old Western. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I'm at this stage now where it was. I was the last thing I remember would be being on the couch thinking about going to bed. Now the last thing I remember from last night is pulling in the carport and I actually ate supper. I have no knowledge. I remember Missy. Her mouth was moving and it's like, And she kept saying, go to bed, go to bed. So I vaguely remember that, but it was foggy. So what we've been doing in the last three days, and we have a guest, Sloan Brown, you're like the marketing of hunting for a Yeti?

Yeah, so we have community marketing. And we started with hunt fish. Now we've got ranch and rodeo, beer and barbecue, music. And so, yeah, I focus on the hunting community. And somehow that led you. name. Sloan Brown is a cool name. I mean, there could be a song. Is that your real name? Is that your real name? It's not my marketing. I didn't know marketers change their name. Most of the time it's a girl's name. That's what I get. But see, you came from,

your parents said Sloan Brown. So you had that marketing gene. Because it's like, Phil, I've heard the story of what he wanted to name me originally. You know, he let side name me. Yeah. That's a famous story. But he told me one time. He said, you better be glad Si I named you because I was going to name you Ludd. You remember that? When you told me that? Ludd.

Ludd the Duds. I just thought Ludd. But Sloan Brown was... I think there was an Uncle Ken folks Ludd Childs. I knew that was a history. That's the worst name I've ever.

Well, no offense of my long-lost cousin. You know, I admit. That's a touchy subject. And I brought up that point. I said, well, my dad wanted to name me Ludd. And she was like, oh, good grief. It's a miracle that you're even alive. I just, I mean, it just has a ring to it.

It could be like a Jim Croce song, you know, bad, bad, slow breath. Hey, I like it. But look, so describe because, look, we've been filming three days, and I'm not real sure what we're doing. But we're doing this. We're doing it. But sloat mouse. What are the point?

What would you call this, first of all, what we're doing? So we have a series of films that we call Yeti Presents. And they're usually stories about people. Very little emphasis on product. And we just like to tell stories. So this is going to be a portrait of the Robertson family. Starting from the beginning and Phil doing what he was doing and kind of being revolutionary and starting Duckman. And then kind of all the way to where you guys are now.

and your connection with the land and everything like that. So we're really excited about it. You were at least it's on your website? Is that way? Yeah, they'll be on YouTube. We'll also do like a film tour probably for it. So I have to confess and you probably noticed this is brought back memories of when we used to do this little TV show that people watched. And I'm like, because now every time I turn around, so yesterday they're like, hey, let's go down.

We want to show you scouting and so I did the little scout. Well then this guy, Ben, he's He has two red lights. He's in another boat, and he starts, like, doing air traffic control. And I'm like, what is he wanting me to do? Because he was, like, over. So finally, I turned the motor on. He's like, come get these red lights.

Because I couldn't hear him because of the motor. So I've put the light. Can I share this? I don't want to share your secrets of where. I don't know. So I get in the boat, I have the red light, and they're like, dry. Well, here's the funny part. I take off wide open.

I can't see. And it's dark already in the lights. And they're like, hold, hold, you know, keep going. So anyway, we did all that. But when I got to the bank, they showed me what it looked like. And it looked like the movie I thought of was Blade Runner. It looked like some kind of futuristic guy going to hunt the, what were there? You remember that movie.

Oh, yeah. some kind of not human people, whatever. I thought you were a big Blade Runner guy. No, I mean, I like the original. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Yeah. That's what I felt like. They were robots.

That's what we're going for. Like, Blade Runner is in the theme of this film. We wanted to look like that. Oh, boy. They're making this bigger than I thought. But I told Missy, we've been going to have to get some more posters or whatever. I feel sorry for your crew, though, because I know the unashamed audience will be shocked. But when Jason gets on a film shoot like this,

It takes about six hours for him then to be the new director of everything. I mean, he's lining up shots. You do this. Go here, go there. I think I've done that the whole time. He's done it the whole time, but it's been very helpful for us, too. He is. He knows his stuff.

I agree. I'm just saying, I'm just not shocked. They had a guy filming the intern was filmed. Can I share this? I don't want to share too much of the details. And they said, oh, he's an intern. He'll get it. He's outside the blind.

Well, I shoot down a duck. right toward him. And so I get out of the blind, I'm chasing this duck, but the duck stays in between me and him. So you can't shoot him. He's filming it. Yeah. But I'm like, your life right now is in danger.

Because legally, I have to take this duck out. But by doing so, I will take you out. So that's breaking another law. So I had to wait. Well, is it really, though? I mean, he's an intern. He's an intern. I started to say, turn the other way and cover up.

So look, the duck turns, turns a right. and I said, I'm fixing to shoot this gun. Silence. I said, I will be shooting around you in this innocent voice. Where's he from? Where's the intern? Tibidot, Louisiana. He went, do you have to?

I shoot. It was the funniest thing that I've ever experienced in a film shoot. So I shot the duck. And, of course, then he said, That was intense. You know, I was like, yeah, not every day do you have a gun discharging? You were finishing off a cripple, right? Yeah, I was.

By the law, and I got him, and he was safe. And I knew the distance away, but it was still scary if you're not used to people shooting shotguns in your general direction. And he was far enough to weigh a way where I was like, this is safe, but it probably sounded scary. There is a sphincter tightening moment. If you understand what I'm saying. Yeah. That was one of those. That was one of them.

So we've had a... You see a man pointing a shotgun in close proximity to you, you know, duck swimming. I mean, your line was, I was just sitting and listening to watching the thing unfold. You said, I see you. Yeah. You said, I see you. That means I know what I'm doing now. Oh, okay.

Well, thanks. Because I let him know. I see you. I'm going to shoot around you. There's a certain amount of ricochets. first one thing I had to consider. That's like the

on Avatar that was like a love greeting or something. I see you. I just know that camera people are not used to

hunting situations and if you were standing right where he was you would have said go ahead because we I know this is safe even though it seems

I would have been down low low on the brand no matter what you said preferably a long close by it happens all the time the other day I was gathering

I was gathering the ducks and I said, I'm outside of the blind, but I was 80 yards away. It feels like, oh, we see you, we see you. I saw two ducks come in their direction. I turned the other way and went down and it was, bum, boom, boom, boom. It's a different sound when you're on the other end of it. Oh, that's when you're hearing them fall around.

He goes, hey, we were shooting over you. I said, no, we're good. I ran down a cripple woody about an hour ago. No more than an hour. There's no watch. There's no watch. That's for drama. The ducks fall.

The duck fell out there. So we didn't have a dog with us today. So I get out of the blind, and I'm moving through the brush as fast as I can, and it is thick. So I could see up ahead of me, the duck would die, and I'd move in, try to get a little closer. The duck would die, but the brushes are thick, vines grabbing me. I just kept going, kept going. But finally, everything got quiet. No duck, nothing.

I thought, well, would. old Woody slick me on that one so I just was easing back from where I came from out of the duck blind the water was about knee deep, a little deeper and I just happened to look over there and the duck were just sitting there

right in that thick brush oh yeah he's playing possum playing possum so I just pooh-woo it's loud in that you know just took the thing's head off possum game over yep

Yeah. Well, look, I asked Sloan to be here, and, you know, we go back, I guess, I don't want to put a date on it. We go back, well, the first event that we did together, it was me, you, and side. That's where I met you. Yep. And I think we were in Richmond, Virginia, a sporting good store. And we had a nice turnout of people who liked the show. But I heard your story, and trust me, that's, I think that's what formed our, partnership uh i mean we're we work hard we try to make a living we've lived off the land uh we understand business willie probably way more than us but really it's about people and so i asked you to

be here i was like you need to share your story on the podcast and uh because really that is what life is about is relationships so tell us because it it's it's amazing to me that here you are which i would think you know being the head of marketing hunting for yet he is kind of a big deal and so when I asked you I think I just said in the we were sitting at a parking lot you had gotten us some lunch or whatever because there was a lot of fans around so we literally ate lunch in the parking lot and I think I said what's your story and after you told it I was like whoa so so how would you how would you share that just or you know it reminded me of my dad and so how do you wind up here I mean tell us about

You know, son. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. I would say I ended up here by divine intervention. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for God. I grew up in West Texas, middle class, upper middle class family. Dad's a dentist, mom's a dietitian. My parents got divorced when I was 11, and that definitely shook my foundation quite a bit. But that's a key age. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I look at life. When I look at life, it's time stamped by. pre-divorce, post-divorce, and I think that's common amongst children of divorced parents. But I don't think that that's the reason that I ended up using drugs and alcohol. But anyways, no trauma, and I know that that's rampant amongst drug addicts, and it's really, really sad. So when did that start? I mean, I took my first pill when I was 14 years old, and I remember vividly that moment.

It was an anti-anxiety pill. My friend was prescribed. And I remember that feeling of like, ah, like I am comfortable in my own skin for the very first time. So much so that my dad came and picked me up from my friend's house and I almost told him, Dad, like, I need a prescription for this because I feel so right in the world. And I hadn't ever felt that way in my entire life. Yeah. And I didn't know I was in trouble at that point.

I didn't know I was a drug addict. But fast forward, you know, it just, it leads into the next thing and the next thing. the next thing I was doing cocaine in high school a lot, like so much so that when I went to college of us, I was like, I could never do cocaine again, and I would be okay. I was tired of it. But I got into pain pills, which is so common.

I think that we have a serious issue in this country with that. No doubt. I mean, doctors are writing scripts left and right, and the big farm has their, you know, their pad in the pockets of everybody, and it's a bad deal. Yeah. And you remember me telling you about our cousin,

who we lost last year? It's been about two. years and and it started with prescribed you know pills for anxiety and he he literally went down the trying to find a bigger fix. Of course fentanyl was the final nail yeah you know which which is an end-of-life drug that's what it was designed for so and he ended his life literally just because he knew he knew he was going to prison yeah so so how are you hiding all this you know from your family yeah I'm one of those guys that is I care about my

what people think of me. And so I did well in high school. I graduated the top 6% of my class. I went to Auburn University. Did pretty well there my first few years. But still doing drugs. Yeah, but not really bad. About my sophomore year of college, it got really bad, everyday use.

And then it was oxy cotton. And word kind of got around amongst my tight friends because nobody I grew up with it was okay with drugs and alcohol like that. So I had a really small circle that was and then the larger circle was not. So I hit it for a long time and outwardly looking in, you probably wouldn't have known.

But word got around amongst my friends and I woke up in my apartment and my dad and brother were there in Auburn, Alabama, and it was an intervention. And they said, you're either cut off or you're going to go to treatment, which to be able to afford to go to a treatment center is it's truly like it's amazing if anybody has the opportunity to do it because a lot of people

don't it's really difficult if you don't um so i agreed to go but i didn't want to stop you know i thought that i just had a problem with pain pills and i wasn't willing they told me i had to quit everything and i just wasn't wasn't willing at that point and so my dad came and picked me up at the end of my 45 days and he was inside talking to the doctors about anti relapse of medication and filling out paperwork and i looked in the back seat and he's got a briefcase my grandmother had had surgery and he'd filled her pain pill prescription for her. And I look at in the backseat, I'm still inside the treatment center. I pick up the bottle of pills and get high before I even left.

And it didn't even register to me. Like I didn't realize, I still didn't realize, you know, how strong of a grasp this thing had on me. So fast forward, I'm back at college and I'm, you know, I'm off the wagon. I'm bad. And at that time, I think they had kind of changed OxyContin or tried to pull it off the market or something. And I was introduced to heroin for my first time. It was actually the girl that I kissed,

my very first kiss, shot me up with heroin for the first time. And it was off to the stupid races after that. It was bad. So that just became more and more. Mm-hmm. Every day. People get hooked on heroin.

They usually wind up in the ground or in jail. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm a small fraction of the population that's alive after you try it. So I was at home for a summer, and went over to my heroin dealer's house, which is in the ghetto of my hometown, bad, bad place. And I did a shot of heroin in their house, and it was a bigger shot than I was normally used to,

and I fell out on their kitchen floor. They drug me out to the street. I was lifeless, turning blue, and they called the hospital, 911, and the ambulance picked me up. Luckily, I was like three blocks from the hospital, otherwise I'd be dead. And I woke up in the ambulance.

ICU with my family standing over me crying and that was the first time that I saw like I was like okay not only am I killing myself but I'm I am killing my family just as much and and that was my first moment where I was like I got to get this under control I got to change and so I went to treatment and wanted to get sober and was doing all the right things but I was I got out and I was living in a sober house and just things didn't feel right you know they say sobriety is like a jacket you got to try it on several times. Yeah. And I couldn't find a job and I just felt useless.

And instead of talking to somebody about it, I ended up getting high. I got kicked out of the house. Ended up back in school, just not doing well. Using a lot of drugs, like really, really scary high numbers. And I was like, I got to get out of Auburn. I got to make a change because I'm dying. I knew I was dying. But I think the thing that ultimately brought me,

to my knees. Like I think everybody has to hit a level of pain before it kicks them into action. And this thing takes action. Was I felt all alone, like entirely alone. No friends. Nobody wanted to hang out with me. I'd stolen from people. I lied to everybody. Like I felt like I was on an island alone. And that's what brought me to my knees ultimately. And so I went to treatment for the third summer in a row. I always joke that I was on our camper three summers in a row rehab center rehab place. Because if you're not laughing about it, you know, it's just, yeah. I mean, it's not funny, but I think you have to laugh because it's like, what am I doing?

Yeah, yeah. It just shows the insanity of this thing. And I believe that addiction is a disease. It's in the DCIM, which is basically the encyclopedia of medicine. But it's the only disease that tricks you into believing that you don't have it. You know, it's very mental. Yeah. And if you're an addict or an alcoholic, you don't have a choice to say no. Like, you were just going to do it. If it's in front of you.

Yeah, at some point it just takes over. Yeah. And so they sent me out to Colorado after that last stint in treatment. And I was like, you tell me what I need to do and I'll do it. You know, at that point, I would do anything to stay sober. And I still will. So I got, it was a, it's a, like a, a, a, driven treatment center, and it's all about reintroducing you to life and showing you that you can have fun.

Because in my mind, I'd always thought, like, man, I'm doomed with this thing. I can't have fun anymore. My highlight of my life is going to be. Yeah, I'm going to be making coffee for my 12-step meeting for the rest of my life, and that's going to be it, you know. But I got in with a really good crew, and I always started fishing all the time and hunting all the time on public land in Colorado, and I just fell in love with the outdoors. and I grew up hunting fishing, but it meant more to me at that point. It was kind of my escape. It was my church. It was my healing. It was my place of peace.

It was my connection to God. That's how I see God. You know, I may have a different view of God than you guys do, but that's where I see him and that's where I visit him. Well, it reminded me of my story that happened to me because, you know, Phil fell off the wagon. Yeah. He's written several books about it. about it and I didn't really believe in God and and you know I had issues even though we were

small kids though but when I saw my dad's transformation you know part of his new life was taking his kids hunting because it was weird to me is when you said that about being alone you know Phil wound up in the same place he was alone estranged from his family which was a major draw, which opened his heart, you know, to hearing about Jesus. But I discovered that same thought in the outdoors because I was like, well, I wonder who made this. It just made me look at it from a different perspective as is there something out here. But that's why when you told that story, I was like, even though it's a different past, different stories, we got outdoors of all places and found some peace.

Yeah. Well, I thought it was interesting was when you said that the tipping point was the lonely place you were. And then when you started finding a pathway with community, because you mentioned these peers, and I think that's so important because I think obviously suicide is a, you know, the numbers are up so much for just what you described, because that's when you're at the crossroads. You really had a choice about am I going to end this, you know, or just do drugs into death, or am I going to try to seek out some way out of this place? And it takes community

to be able to do that. Absolutely. I mean, it has to happen. But I'll also say a 12-step program is key. There's no way. I mean, the way they break it down is if you're a drug addict, you have a spiritual void. You were born with basically a hole. Correct. And your solution, your solution is drugs. And for a long time, it works until it doesn't. And so the whole 12-step program. Tell somebody he's calling 911 and we got a blue guy out there on the sidewalk. Yeah.

Yeah. But the whole concept of the 12-step program is clear the wreckage of your past, trust in God. And once you start handling all those fears and resentments and everything like that that blocks you from the sunlight of the spirit, you take care of that, you write your wrongs, you let God in, And he fills the void.

And that feeling of alone, it vanishes. Yeah. It's gone. Right. You know, and then you've got a good community. Right. And you never feel alone. We have a really strong CR program here, our church.

We have probably about 14 houses here. And so people come, they're sort of like what you described in Colorado. We have that here in West Winonaug. And that's what I notice about these guys. And, you know, not everybody makes it. Obviously, there's people that go back. But the ones that do. it's that bond they make with one another

and then I watch how they deal with that with each other and then I watch these leaders emerge out of those that are just I mean they just they're gifted to be able to help other people and so I watch it all the time here and so I see that so your story is so descriptive of that and I'm so glad that there are places and people that have committed themselves to provide a pathway

for you and a lot of other people like you and that's the whole thing too is how you continue this on is working with other addicts and alcoholics And that was like, that was my, when I was doing my moral inventory and realized that I was fear-based and everything went back to being scared of being alone, that was like a big moment. But then when I saw the lights come on for another alcoholic and drug addict, that's when it was like, I'm on fire. Well, that's why I think the best therapy is trying to help other people. And, you know, I asked you to come on and you kind of hesitated for a second, said, yeah, I'll do it. And it's not like you go around.

I mean, we described your job and share this, but you said, you know, if I can help anybody not go down that road, I'll do it. And so I just want to thank you for your courage. I know it's not easy. Yeah, he told me, he said, no, look, I made some really bad decisions. I was hooked on heroin. And I was like, I don't know. We've had some.

Well, I can promise you this, Sloan. We have a large audience, and I can guarantee you you help someone today. I hope so. Yeah, we'll hear back that you help someone. Share the stories. I love hearing them. I always say, don't be stingy with the victories of God, and you're a victory of God. I'd like to add on the way out over with old Sloane, let no debt remain outstanding

except the continuing debt to love one another. For he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law, every little command. the commandments do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, whatever other commandments there may be are summed up in this one rule. Love your neighbor as yourself. You are referring to it as community. Love does no harm to its neighbor. It's the hardest lesson for human beings to learn. They get so into themselves and they just are, worried about their next high, they don't give a flip about anybody on their right or left. Or even themselves.

There's no love. There's no love in them. And you say, but somehow another, when you sit down and start listening to people and learning to trust people, you begin to get on your feet. And therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law. Other words, instead of getting up and say, I've got to make sure I don't kill anybody today. I've got to make sure I don't see them for somebody today.

I sure have to make sure that I don't commit sexually immorality. If you just love your neighbor, all those things will just go away. Yeah. That's a valid point. Well, thanks for being here, Salon. Thanks, sir. Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. Let's take a break.

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You know, they wanted us to film this movie that he described. I didn't really want to do it. But I thought, well, they've been good. us. We've had a history with them. We've been with them for... For a few years. Almost 10 years. Yeah.

Because the worst commercial, it turned out to be great because it was so bad. It was one of those... The one old commercial from 2012. But, you know, it's always this deal about... It's not about money, or it's like, you know, we're going to do that. Make a film in your honor. And I'm like, well, what exactly do we get out of this? And they're like, oh, you know, the notariding.

I was thinking. So what's interesting. Last time I checked, we were pretty well. But, you know, I saw one of the films they did. I thought, this is pretty good. I still haven't watched one of those. Jay was telling me. Oh, they're good.

They tell stories about people in life and the outdoors. But what the turnaround was for him is when I was like, hey, you need to come be on the podcast and share your story. Well, he thought I was kidding. You know, he was like, yeah, yeah. Well, I sent you a text, and I was like, can we have the Yeti guy? I didn't remember his name at that time. I said, we had the Yeti guy on the podcast because I thought it would be, because we're doing the podcast.

I knew we were going to talk about what y'all were doing this. And he said, well, you know, I don't like go around and tour. I was like, what's I going to do this day? I was like, and he's like, well, I mean, you know, I said, have you ever shared your story before? He's like, yeah, many times. I was like, well, how did it go? He said, it went, it went well. I was like, well, come.

Come for the notoriety of it. you put it back on him and i said you know seriously i was like what we it's an epidemic in our world this drug there are people well and i didn't know you said i was just thinking we were going to talk about what the project and you said well he's got a story so i then i got excited but i didn't know his story until he just told it but what i love about it is it's obviously we have a large audience i know there's people on our audience that are probably either our stress or have struggled with just what he talked of. Oh, I've heard history.

Thousands. Thousands. Well, but here's what I... And we can't always speak to it out of our own experiences. And we talk about some lifestyle stuff, but obviously what he described was being at the point of death multiple times. And, you know, it's just hard for us to imagine what that's like. Well, if you're listening to this and you're like,

because I appreciate y'all, you know, allow me to do this. But I just thought to myself a lot of times, you know, we talk about Jesus. that's what we're all about. Forgiveness, hope, redemption, the resurrection, the forever family, all these principles that you have in Jesus. But a lot of times people have difficulty in life thinking, well, I can never go get a real job.

They're like, okay, I can be forgiven. But they've made so many mistakes. I mean, this guy was shooting up heroin for years. You just never would think that he would rise to be an imported executive in a multi-billion-dollar company. And so I just thought it was an interesting angle, which is what my thinking was. I was like, here's a guy that when I said, what's your story? The last thing, because I've been around these types of guys for the last 40 years.

But there was something about him that drew me to him. Tell him what you noticed and why you asked him the question. Yeah, this is, we said this after he left because they're actually going to film. We're still filming. I'm having a meal together, so he's like, hey, you know, I hope that went well, but I need to go. And he did have a watch film. But when I met him the first time, so Sai and I meet him in Richmond, and he said, we're going to go to a restaurant and get to know each other before we do the event the next day. Well, we go to the restaurant, and I've told you all many times, you know, I don't have a problem with drunkenness.

I've never been drunk in my life. I have a lot of problems, just like everybody else. I'm a sinner. That is not one of them. I waited until I was 30 before I ever even tasted alcohol outside of NyQuil. Some people say, you can't have a drop of alcohol. You know, the wine that Jesus turned from water. It wasn't really one.

It wasn't fermented. And I'm like, have you ever drank NyQuil? And they're like, uh-oh. There's more. So I was just, you know, making that point. But we went to the restaurant and they had all their team and there were people and there were guests and it was me and Sae. And there were two people that did not have a drink at the table. Well, three of Sae was there.

Well, Sae was drinking his tea, but I'm not, I don't count side because that tea is not, I'm not sure what's in there. It could be laced with something. I'd ever thought about this. It's not alcohol. That's true. Well, I was kidding. We're just good. But, and I, I wasn't counting size.

So I guess there was three. They were three. Because Cy had his little. Well, I didn't want to say that. And then somebody said, oh, what about his uncle, Zai? Yeah, he doesn't drink. He wasn't drinking either. But so me, but at the, and Cy was kind of at the.

He was down there telling tales. Yeah, he wasn't even a mall. But, Sao wasn't drinking. So being this guy. Now, I didn't drink because when I go to events like that, even though I'm, I feel I am free to. have a drink. I don't do it because when I gather in those places, if someone who has a problem with it is

there, I want them to have a buddy. Because I don't have a problem with it. I don't really like the taste of alcohol. I will drink an occasional glass of wine or, you know, two beers a year. And I think I'm free to do so. But in those moments, and I just noticed that he didn't, he was drinking water and tea. and so that's why when I got in the vehicle I said what's your story because I just thought that was unusual and boy he told me what he just shared he showed a shorter version of it but and I thought wow I just thought what an interesting thing to openly share and he's a young guy yeah I don't I'm not sure how old he is but I thought man he he he did something There was a transformation happened, which was hard enough.

And now he's worked his tail off, and he's climbed up the ladder at this huge company. I thought, what an impressive testimony. The Apostle Paul. Hang on, Dad. Let's take a break for you with that. He said, first to those in Damascus, Acts 26, 20, if you followed along, then to those in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also. He's saying, here's what I tell everybody. I preach that they should repent.

You just heard a story of a guy who repented. Yep. I preached that they to repent and turn to God. He did. And prove their repentance by their deeds, which he is doing. Paul said, this is why the Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me. They didn't go to this repentance thing. because of

because of Jesus you know you you you prove your repentance you prove that you're now a changed person from the heart out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks you just heard a guy saying

for a long time what was coming out of his heart and what he was saying and what he was doing it didn't jehaha he mentioned having a hole his sinful nature just the evil one

because of his sins, the evil one moved in and took him captive to do his will. And only the truth about Jesus set you free from the trap. It's not like I had a hole. That's like old Johnny Ringo, you know, old Dark Holiday. He said he's got a big hole in his heart and he never can fill it enough with hatred. And he said, well, why does he do it? And he said, well, no, what's he mad at? And he's like for being born.

He was being born. That might have been a little skis. He said, what's he after? He said, revenge. He said, why? Revenge for what? And he said, for being born. That was a really well-written movie.

Let me just say it. Don't get your theology from an old Western. But it was interesting. But I've heard that the way he describes that is, I've seen it in so many different, I mean, his was drugs. I mean, I just sat down with a man yesterday, and, you know, his wife's been out of an affair, and she's being driven in this way he described.

It's like a hole in her that can't be filled, and so she's looking at all these other ways. And you described it. It's the sinful nature, the flesh, and the Bible talks about a lot of different ways. But it does feel that way, because they keep trying to put something in to find some peace, to find whatever, like he said, to find life.

Or a slain the sin. And even though he must be in. may use different tactics and different semantics. And, you know, he views it as a disease. And look, you know, and I usually, when I'm talking to people, you know, I zero in on choices that were made and that's how we view it. But I'm like, anything you can do. That's right. To stop doing that. Because how many times have we gone to funerals and prisons where they don't, they're in a position where they can't even hear about Jesus because they're so far down.

They've lost, like, you know, Ephesian says, they've lost sensitivity. Yeah, what's the word, Al? Because they're, they're, yetis doing all these with different groups. And with us, it's the outdoor, the tide to the land, the backwater, the fishing. Right.

And then we're just... Well, that's the common. A common theme in their movies. It's almost me. It's almost when you're out in the great outdoors, like we were this morning, in the duck blind, and you're watching the ducks fly by, you see the sun start peeking above the, and it's quiet. There's no one there. There's no belligerent. There's no profanity.

There's no argument. And we're all sitting there. And it's medicinal. Yeah. Whatever you want to call it, it's, what's the word for that? It's, uh, well, it's where it's, it's a life. lifestyle that is good for the soul. Well, it's peaceful.

It's peaceful. It's peaceful. And that's what you need. I mean, like, when you're seeking something, peace, you know, peace in your life. I'm looking at various grasses and bushes and trees and how they're growing and what they're doing. And we planted these five years. I think you're seeing the power of God through the details. And even though you may not acknowledge it, you're experiencing it, the wonders of God.

I'm telling you. I mean, look, I want to get out. And there's no, what's the word, there's no interaction that people would say we're a little bit, what was a standoffish, kind of like retreat, but basically. Aloof. They got these words. I'm not sure who said. We're out here in the woods and people, if they saw how much time we spent there, they would be shocked.

Well, we read this verse before Romans 1.20. Since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen. Yep. Being understood from what has been made. That's me. So I think that's it. I think the idea of Jesus is right, when God says, look, this is a revelation,

the word of God, that's one way he reveals himself. But the first way is just look, look around. I mean, what you see and some of the most beautiful sites you've ever seen. We saw it this morning. green wing teal coming down from the heavens just you look up and i mean they're so fast they're flying 60 70 80 miles an hour coming out of the sky and the sound they make when they're doing that well it's it's jaw dropping well tell me we're looking at it like whoa tell me y'all kill so green wing teal oh shoot that's my favorite duck it is right around my birthday

we always say if we were down there they'll tell you what well the I went and scouted yesterday when I had the red lights and I was going to save the futuristic world in a boat. There were no ducks there. So the one place I saw a few, I said, let's go there. But what happens in duck season is sometimes they come without warning, with no weather. It was cloudy. It was a little cool. It looked cool and a little windy.

And way more, you're surprised to see how many. They just appear. just appeared. And it was green winged teal. Now, having said that, you know, even though, you'll be there tomorrow. We shot, oh yeah, we're going to the teal hole tomorrow, buddy. Whatever team. I was gathering up teal decoys. We're hiding in the bushes and that's where our faces are black. We didn't have time to come in. I mean, you know, we just drove up out there, ran back here. You know, I ran to the house, forgot my Bible coming along here. To me, you know, that's the things I deal with. Where's my Bible. I said, I got to have my Bible some morning. They've got a podcast down there. So these folks that are

watching that say, I bet, you know, they really get together and have discussions on what they're going to say. Look, Jesus number one, pretty well, if we just come in, tell you that, and walk out the door, that ought to cover it. So let's take one last break. Yeah, it's funny. We were having, once long we were sitting there talking and getting ready to start the podcast. And of course, you know, they're like, you have meetings and pre-production and it kind of feels like the show right as well as to yeah and then jace is like well this is the pre-production talk right here when we basically say here's what we're going to do three seconds later we're wrong one of my best buddies

in school old bill conley yesterday we would double date with uh bill and genie and they eventually married you like me and y'all's mama so that's what we were doing we're dating and ryan had a little old falcon car and uh we'd go out you know and get these get gas out of the oil fill, there's a certain kind of gas you put in there, you know, casin head, we call it. But we'd put it in there, you know, where we'd go a few more miles. But we just basically rode around. Every once in a while we'd go to the movie.

Did they not have gas stations? How many times you run out of gas? And yesterday, a lot of times. Yesterday, he passed on. No, really? Yep, coronavirus. So it got him. And I think Jeannie's got it too, but he succumbed to it,

which brings me to my point. I handed him, he was a running back at North Cattle where I went to high school, and I handed him the ball a many times through him and many a touchdown pass, you know, young bucks. But when we talk about Jesus and alleviating the fear of physical death, it just makes you think, I haven't kept up with him through the years, you know. I don't know exactly, but he always was a good man. I know that.

It's a reminder of how real it is, right? I want to share this one other story. He's my age, so, you know, I'm 74, you know, and I'm still running wood ducks down through the brush this morning, you know. Phil, you actually made one of the top three shots of the year today, and I thought for 74, there was a wood duck that came whistling with the wind. I would say, I don't want to embellish, I will say that duck was traveling at least 50 miles an hour, maybe 60.

He was on a downhill sail. Left or right. It was a blur, and somebody said, cut him. And by the time he said cut him, the duck, perfect headshot, fell over here. He was flying so fast that he bounced off the water. He didn't feel it because the last thing that went through his head was the bullets that you fired. And I knew as I put a shell, I didn't say a word, see. Yeah, yeah.

You got a little bit. He got them young bucks. I just put a shell on my gun, set my gun back up there, and I waited and all of them. I'll tell you one time. That was a shot. I didn't want any of him. Well, that's the difference in me. It might where I met that.

I never would have even picked my gun up. I don't know. It was a wonderful shot. But I was going to share this another member of the crew. I just sweetly me and you, why I waste three shares. That's my point. It's not that it's caused me any money, but it would hurt my pride to watch me miss through it. I was going to share this story because we're going to, we were going to talk about the great commission when Jesus said.

We will next time. We will. But as a preview, you know, I noticed something at, you know, it was a business meeting. I noticed that the guy wasn't drinking. And I asked him, I had a spiritual conversation. And when you start talking about the Great Commission, I think these people think you've got to have some kind of program or project. But Jesus went around and he talked to people. I'm trying to be like Jesus.

So one of their cameraman, kind of the lead cinematographer of this event that they're doing, And well, he rode in my rig the first day. So we got in, I was, first question, I was like, oh, because he sounded like he was from the South. Where are you from? He's from Louisiana. And I said, you married because he looked older. And he's like, well, I got a girlfriend, been dating her for five years.

Well, when he said that, I was, he said that as I was backing out. And his buddy said, and boy, she is top notch. So I said, five years. I mean, how old are you? And he told me, I can't remember. I think it was 28, 29, something like that. I said, what seems to be the hold of? And he said, what do you mean?

I said, five years? You're almost 30. I said, look, I'm pretty good at reading people. He said, well, you just met me. I said, yeah, and I'm making a read right here. You've got commitment issues. The fellow, if she wasn't a great woman, he wouldn't have said top knot. He immediately responded.

that's him saying what seems to be the holdup i says here's what you need to do you need to have one night of staring at the ceiling before you go to bed you're going to be here for three days you think about all the great things that you love about her and i said you need to you said how do i know i know you're an artist you need to drop that camera and experience the magic he was just looking at me just stark fear all over his face. So I told Missy this story, and she got teary at, you know, she's like, babe, that was beautiful. I wasn't doing it to be beautiful.

I was trying to help him light a fire. So I share that to say this on day three. You know, we, yesterday, we were, he was filming me scouting, and he was asking me questions, you know. So after we finished, he said, you know, I haven't stopped thinking about what, what, you, what, you, you told me he's like I think I need to do that I said oh I know you do I said and here's why and I gave him two illustrations because I didn't know what he thought about Jesus church or anything

like we didn't even got to that I said the first illustration I said you ever seen that movie jerry mcguire I was like yeah I said you need to have that moment you've probably not seen that movie feel but at the end watch it on TV don't watch it at the movie version I never even heard it I think it's rated at all, but I watched it on TV. They cleaned it up. Yeah. So he walked in and his girlfriend was like having a women's party. She was actually his wife because they had gotten married.

Well, I don't know. I don't remember all the details. But he didn't love her, right. Yeah, and they had some problems, whatever. You know, I wasn't paying attention until the end. So look, it was a romantic movie. I watched it with my wife. I was not interested.

But at the end, I thought, no, this is good. Yeah, it was good. He came in. She was talking to all these women, and he just, He kind of had a look, well, like, if this is where it has to go down, I'm doing this. And so he basically- Because all these women are mad at him because he dumped it. He basically gave her a speech, which is what I told him.

I said, you need to go home and give the Jerry McGuire speech, which is this. I'm not sure what's going to happen. I don't know if we're going to afford it. Things are going to change. I use that little illustration. There may be ups and downs, but guess what? I want to do it together with you. will you marry me? I said, that's what I would go with. I said, and the second thing I want to share,

I said, in Ephesians chapter 5, I said, that's a book in the Bible. He said, yeah, I know. So I thought, okay, well, he's read. He does know that. I said, when he went through the roles of marriage and husband's wives, he said, yeah, I've read it. I said, well, his point was, I'm talking about being married to Jesus. I said, the same thing happens. And so I share Jesus. I said, when you hear that. Now you can think about should I do this or how many, what do other groups think about it? I said, but when you fall in love with Jesus at some point,

you got to put down all the excuses and say, I'm in. I said, that was his point. And then I quoted First Corinthians 13, and he said, that was beautiful. I said, that's the second time you heard that. I said, go and do it.

Good advice. So I wanted to share that story because he was a part of the crew, but it was not like I invited him to church. Now, granted, I went out on a limb and said, five years, but I was right, you know, it was the right read. So have conversations, get to know people, and find clever ways to get to Jesus. Conversations full of grace and seasoned with salt. That's what he said. That's what you did. It's good stuff. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for

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