Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 211 | Jase Discovers Flash Mobs, Phil Finds Hot Wind at Church, and Falling in Love with Jesus

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

Jase attends a wedding that includes a flash mob, but he doesn't know what it is. He also reveals that he loves weddings for reasons you might not expect. Phil and Jase discuss the bride of Christ and... compare spiritual marriage to your union with your spouse. Jase is the most nervous he's been in years when he finds out that Missy has been listening to the podcast. The guys talk about falling in love with Jesus, Holy Spirit symbolism in the Bible, and the true meaning of Acts. And Phil is seeing plenty of hot wind in church buildings but not a whole lot of fire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am unashamed. What about you? Flash mob is when the mob, they show up in a flash. Oh. So if you're at the mall, if you're at the mall, I haven't been to a mall. Let me quote, Phil. Let me get my inner fail. I haven't been to a mall in probably 15 to 20 years.
Starting point is 00:00:24 What about a chick fillet? I've been through the drive-thru. So there's a viral video. somebody that we both know who goes into a Chick-fil-A and he just starts singing a praise song.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Oh, I've seen that happen. Another guy stands up. You don't know what I'm talking about? Then you have the whole lot, the whole, they're like 50 people in Chick-fil-A and they're all singing the song. Yeah, and it looks like it's random plan. I believe my...
Starting point is 00:00:54 It's called Flash Mom. Yeah, I wasn't familiar with that term. I was, I'm pretty sure my wife and a group of Jesus loving people one day pulled into a parking lot at a Chick-fil-A and they sang, that was the plan. I thought, babe, that's good.
Starting point is 00:01:13 I like it when... It's a flash mob. Well, okay. I learned something. I'm not familiar with the term flash mob. But now that I am, I'm going to make it my ambition to avoid that confrontation for the remainder of my life.
Starting point is 00:01:28 Unless we're being gathered together to go to heaven. So let me... It's encouraging. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, used to, I didn't like crowds of people, but someone told me something that stopped me in my tracks, and I had to
Starting point is 00:01:44 change my view on that. Because I said, I just don't like big crowds, and they said, well, there's going to be a pretty big crowd in heaven. You need to get over that. I thought, valid point. Noted.
Starting point is 00:02:00 So I went to a wedding this weekend. My wife, she's, you know, we're living in two different places and she said, we need to go to this wedding and it'll be a good excuse for us to spend the weekend together. I just type absolutely at that point of the conversation. So my son was in the wedding and I was surprised it was well attended. the thought that hit me because the preacher got up, you know Tommy, he did the wedding. And he made a comment that I thought,
Starting point is 00:02:41 you know, this was a profound statement. He got up there, and the first thing he did, he said, I want you to relax and whisper in each other's ear what this moment means to you. and so my wife went oh i thought boy this guy he's good because a lot of people forget their wedding i mean when i think back to my wedding i it's a fog but then he did this he he quoted genesis two where it wasn't good for a man to be alone and then he told the story of how adam fell into the sleep and he took a rib and made the woman and then he the famous quote the two will become one
Starting point is 00:03:25 flesh and I thought, you know a lot of people who don't believe in God when they hear that? Because I've heard that since I was 14. And I believe that. I believe that's how humans got here. And I believe that's why people are married. But a lot of people who don't believe in God, at that point they're like, so you actually believe that there's a God who created a woman out of a man's rib? come on what you think do you agree with that it's it seems in that moment because i thought there's there's got to be a lot of non-jesus loving people there because there was a lot of people there and i bet i wonder what they're thinking at that point yeah but the wedding was phenomenal they had a the after reception was at a different location they had a tent the woman that he married
Starting point is 00:04:24 which is the guy that was married as a duck hunter, which first, when I saw him, I said, why would you be getting married as a duck hunter during duck season? And he just kind of looked at me bewildered and looked at her. And I thought, okay, well, I guess that answered that. But she teaches dance or something, and I've never seen such a synchronized, when they came to the reception, they did a dance.
Starting point is 00:04:55 that lasted like 10 minutes. But in my world, I don't know a lot of people who can dance well, but this was awesome. It was fun. It was just a great night. So you said, why am I telling you this? It was great for my wife and I. It was kind of romantic.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Got to see my son and his wife, and it was a festive thing. And for this moment, you know, you forgot about the world's problems and everybody being, you know, scared about, getting the coronavirus and dot dot dot but i said that to say this it reminded me that we're in acts too and we're fixed to head off into that and this is the place in our history where you can point back to where god married humans it's a good point that probably in our culture is as profound as saying that woman was created out of a man's rib.
Starting point is 00:06:01 What you think, Zach? Do you see why I'm making that conclusion? That's a bold statement. I'm thinking about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that happens on the day of Pentecost. There is a union that goes down with God and man.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Is that what you're talking about? I'm talking about in Ephesians 5 when he is writing to the church, the group of people who put their faith and trust in Jesus. And he's given them, first of all in the first three chapters, he gives everything
Starting point is 00:06:35 that we have in Christ and God is our Father and the power of the Holy Spirit who is a deposit guarantee in our inheritance. And he gets all the way to Chapter 5 and he starts talking about relationships and he brings up husbands and wives. He's like husbands, love
Starting point is 00:06:51 your wives. Wives submit to your husbands, you know, submit to one another out of reverence of Christ. You follow me? Then he goes, goes down to the end of chapter 5 and he makes a profound statement. He said, I'm talking about Christ and the church, but you should also love your wives and wives.
Starting point is 00:07:15 He made a reference to the bride of Christ, which is the church. Here we have a group of people who hear from Peter, this act of God through Peter, where Jesus is declared, they respond. They receive God's spirit, and they become the bride of Christ in this moment. So it's a spiritual marriage, but it's a lot like the physical union between a man and a woman, one man, one woman, and they become one.
Starting point is 00:07:54 They become one through the spirit of God in dwelling us, one with God, Jesus, the Spirit. we become one with him. In that sense, it is a marriage. It's a marriage. That's all I was saying. It reminded me of the marriage I have in Christ, but it's bonded to the Holy Spirit of God, which is why you're saying it's more of a spiritual thing.
Starting point is 00:08:21 That's why you should take the marriage between a man and a woman very seriously. one day you get up and say, well, divorce, I'm tired of you. It's like telling Jesus, I'm tired of you. It's a lot of the same type drama. I mean, trauma. I guess. Because you say, well, I'll just desert the one I'm married to through the spirit. And we make kind of a mockery out of husband and one husband, one wife.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So it's a lot of different things. It's a lot of similarities, I will say. Well, right. I just read the Epheson 5 while you were talking. It's a valid point. Yeah. Well, you remember when John the Baptist said in John 3, I mean, this just popped into my head.
Starting point is 00:09:18 When he said to this, John replied in verse 27, A man can receive only what is given him from heaven, which is a bumper sticker. there. If we just all believe that, the world would be a much better place. A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of him. The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice that joy is mine and is now complete he must become greater i must become less i just think
Starting point is 00:10:02 he was sowing the seed of what we're discussing here and there's numerous references to the church being the bride of christ i guess the biggest difference in our marriage to jesus and our normal marriage is that jesus is perfect i mean you have in our marriage you have two imperfect people that's why there's so many hills and valleys. But you still have hills and valleys. You said missy's not right. Well, in Jesus she is. Good answer.
Starting point is 00:10:37 In case she happens to listen to this. She actually listened to three or four of these podcasts recently, and that's the nervous, most nervous I've been in probably 10 years. She said when she was coming, Coming back, actually to the wedding, she said, I actually listened to like four of y'all's podcasts on the way here. And I was standing up and I just sat down because I thought, oh boy, where's this conversation going? But actually, she liked it. So I was like, oh, I was glad that she didn't hear one, you know, because I've been pretty open about.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Yeah, I've been open about the in-law. and, you know, the marriage. And so I was nervous about which ones she had listened to. But, look, I just think when you look at it that way, Phil had a good point. You know, it gets away from this idea of you being married to Jesus three hours a week. Plus, we're not called the bride of Christ flippantly.
Starting point is 00:11:47 We're called it. He means for us to take that seriously. But just think, Phil, your marriage in Christ only happen at a church building, well, try to put that in your normal marriage. So three hours a week, you go get your wife and you say, okay, let's spend some quality time. But the rest of the time, how many hours in a week? $168. So 165 hours, you do your own thing. That's not going to work. The dog won't hunt. not going to work. Let's take a quick break, Jase. So we're in Acts chapter 2, and I woke up in the
Starting point is 00:12:32 middle of the night last night and had this thought. So, Zach, you told me that if you ever, if that ever happens, you need to share that. But when the Holy Spirit was poured out in the first two verses of Acts 2, of course, he said it was going to be poured out. And in verse 2, it says suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven filled the whole house they saw what seemed to be tongues of fire now you'll notice in both those things it wasn't fire and it wasn't when it was it was the sound like the blowing of a violent wind and it it seemed to be tongues of fire well we know what it was it was holy spirit and so the writer was
Starting point is 00:13:23 trying to use descriptive things to give you an idea of what this was like. So I thought about what I woke up in the middle of night and thought about is the different ways the Holy Spirit is used symbolically in the Bible. And four popped into my head. There may be more. So two of them I just read, fire, wind, or breath. Remember when he said he breathed. the Holy Spirit on them.
Starting point is 00:13:54 So this unseen air, fire, water, which the idea of poured out. And then John 7, he said streams of living water. And it says, by this, he meant the Holy Spirit. And the other one I thought was anointing. And there's a few references to being anointed by, with oil as representative of the Holy Spirit. But when you start thinking about the qualities of those four symbolic things that we have. I mean, you think about a fire. What are, what are the positive qualities about fire?
Starting point is 00:14:30 What's the first thing you think of as related to the Holy Spirit? Well, heat, which is awesome when you're freezing. You know, I mean, it's a, the benefit of that is not only can be life-saving, but it's actually an awesome experience. but it also purifies. You know, you get something hot enough, and there's a whole section in First Peter about that. It refines and purifies. It also, once a fire gets going,
Starting point is 00:15:05 it's unstoppable by human means. And you can do that in each squat, like water. I mean, that's pretty obvious. It's more powerful when you're thirsty. But, you know, someone once said, which was a fact we all know that we haven't really pointed out is where there is no water, there is no life. And wind can be powerful, unpredictable, but also, you know, the qualities of that.
Starting point is 00:15:38 And the anointing I thought about in this case, it sets you apart as you have a job to do. You know, God sets us apart through His Holy Spirit. and even the oil had a symbolic aspect of healing. And you think what the spirit does to our past mistakes and we made in that healing process. So I said all that to say this. It was a miraculous outpouring of the Holy Spirit. And as we go through chapter 2,
Starting point is 00:16:11 he makes reference to that. He quotes Joel. But he also gets down to verse 29 and 30 there. And it says God has poured out what you now see and hear. Where's that at? No, it's 33. He talks about Jesus. And then he says, he gave you the promised Holy Spirit in verse 33 and poured out what you now see in here.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Well, then in 38, when they respond and receive the indwelling, the gift of the Holy Spirit, You now have all these benefits of what it symbolized throughout the entire Old Testament and throughout Jesus' ministry on the earth. Many of these people, the Jews that Peter was speaking to, many of those people were the ones, the very ones who said, crucified him, get rid of him. So when they heard that it was through him, that the spirit would be made available even to them after they murdered him.
Starting point is 00:17:22 You know, forgive them, Father, they don't know what they're doing. He was talking to a lot of these people who were standing there who just heard what Peter said. He preached the gospel to him. God raised him from the dead. You were the help of wicked men put him to death by naming him to the cross. Peter's talking to the people who actually said, kill him, crucify him, and be done with him. Yeah, that's 23. Yeah, and Peter reminds him.
Starting point is 00:17:49 He said, God raised it from the dead, free him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for debt to keep its whole on him. Then he talked about David, he died and is still dead. But when he gets down there, he said, what you're seeing is the power of what I've just told you. It's through him. Well, the Lord, therefore, let all Israel be assured of this. God's made this Jesus whom you crucified, guilty. He said, both Lord and Christ, he's the Messiah he been waiting on.
Starting point is 00:18:19 This is how he showed up, unbeknown to you, evidently. Well, when they heard this, they were cut to the heart. They said, ah, you mean to tell me by murdering him, our murdering him, the blood that was said is going to remove our sin and raise us from the dead. And we're the ones that did it. They are stunned. They're just flabbergasted. They don't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:18:47 They're like, good. What do we do? Well, he tells them, you see all this power that's being unleashed? You can get in on something out of action if you want to. I'm paraphrasing here. He said, repent and be baptized, everyone of you. And by the way, this same message and response flows throughout Matthew. you mark, Luke and John when he was saying,
Starting point is 00:19:15 here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to die, be buried and raised from the dead. He told them over and over and over. It finally got to the ones who said, get rid of him, crucify him. He did die. He was buried. He was raised from the dead. And he told all of them that were standing there, post-resurrection,
Starting point is 00:19:33 all authority in heaven or on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go make disciples, baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Well, he told them that. and then he flew out of here. Well, now this is the first group. This is the first big event, the unleashing of the power of the spirit
Starting point is 00:19:50 and made available to every last human being, including the ones who murdered Jesus himself. Yeah. You know, a lot of people say, well, you know, the ones that murdered him, I bet they burned in hell. No, God gave them a chance to come back right here. And three, those save yourself in this corrupt generation.
Starting point is 00:20:11 He warned them. He pleaded them. with them down in verse 40 and 41 those who accepted his message that Jesus had died for and was buried and raised from the dead and they were part of the murdering of him yeah and three thousand were added their number that day and now somebody said there's several billion of us scattered across planet which in essence was when god that is a wild story married humans through his son you know if you go back to verse 14. They had just heard this sound.
Starting point is 00:20:45 They had seen this, the bewilderment of the Holy Spirit being poured out and they hear all this, their own language. Welcome back, Zach. And coming from the apostles. And when Peter stood up, which is, I did a sermon one time
Starting point is 00:21:05 on those first four words because I went through Peter's past. every time where he just did something stupid, said something he shouldn't have, denied Jesus, and then this happens. Jesus is crucified, is buried and resurrected.
Starting point is 00:21:22 The spirit comes out, and if you look at everybody's life, every human being's life, there's always a pit because we all sin, you know, and then there's a moment of trying to figure out where it all went wrong. Well,
Starting point is 00:21:39 the last place you want to get to as far as healing and overcoming any obstacle is this move right here he stood up things have changed by the way the next big event
Starting point is 00:21:56 from Acts chapter 2 you can conclude that when all these Jews heard all these people speaking in all these languages these thing is going worldwide this is a happening. He says,
Starting point is 00:22:12 in the last days, God says, I'll pull out my spirit on all people. And your sons and daughters will tell. They will speak. They will prophesy. They will speak of these days. They will,
Starting point is 00:22:28 well, we're 2,000 years in the last days. So the next big event after this one, that's the beginning. of the end, the spirit being available to everybody and everybody can be saved and have become immortal. You say, death's been conquered, the sin problem has been solved. This is the final roundup right here. We've been on the final roundup, Jase, for roughly 2,000 years, and you say, and you can, life and immortality is on the table, free of charge, the grace of God have covered all. God's trying to get them to
Starting point is 00:23:09 repent, but I'm looking around, I don't know, whether they're going to repent or not. I'm like, well, he, this, what we're reading was the beginning, because he says in the last days, I'll pour out my spirit on all people. Then just below there, I will pour out my spirit in those days. You know, the last days, last day. So, Hebrews one, you know, alludes to this. It's a doozy. listen to how this reads
Starting point is 00:23:40 here comes Jesus born of a woman in the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways and you rightfully say
Starting point is 00:23:51 Jase what this was in the Jesus is coming phase from Genesis to Matthew but in these last days same thing Peter said Joel he quoted Joel
Starting point is 00:24:05 but he said but in these last days He has spoken to us by his son, whom he appointed there of all things, through whom he made the universe. He's wrapping it all up here. The son is the radius of God's glory, the exact representation of his being. This is what they're doing in the book of Acts, getting people tuned in of there. Sustaining all things by his powerful word,
Starting point is 00:24:28 after he had provided purification for sins, that's what Peter was talking about. He sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven, So that's the beginning of the end, according to the Hebrew writer and the Book of Acts. Which is where we're at now. The next big event is the return, and there's going to be a separation. The ones that don't know God and do not obey the gospel, they're gone. Let's take a quick break.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Well, you're coming in and out, so North Carolina. But look, by the way, I really like, you know, you fix that house up in, what, three days? I mean, last time I saw it, the walls were falling down. No, I'm in a different location. Oh, okay. Well. Yeah, I'm in a different location, which is why the Internet's isn't it good. I think what's crazy about this is we're reading something that happened 2,000 years ago, over 2,000 years ago.
Starting point is 00:25:28 And you can still marry God through Jesus and the spirit of God, the creator of the universe that was hovering over the waters in Genesis 1. is available for you to have inside your body and in with your soul. And peace will come to all men and women who bow their need to Jesus Christ. The peace will come. And where the Jesus rate is high, the crime rates low, where the Jesus rate is low, the crime rates high. It's just the way it is worldwide. But you have a valid point.
Starting point is 00:26:08 You know, when he said, they said, what do we do? and he said repent and be baptized. You know, marriage is easy until you got to change something, which I think I lasted a week. The honeymoon lasted a week. And I thought, hmm, I'm going to have to change something here. Now, I'd had premarital counseling. You know, I'd waited until I got married,
Starting point is 00:26:37 for I, you know, had done any extracurricular. But a week in, repentance was necessary. And guess what? Now I'm 30 years in, and that's pretty well a weekly occurrence. And you're still a young buck. You know, Zach, when y'all get in your 70s, you're like, hmm. And your women are gray-headed, and y'all will be gray-headed, you know, and you'll say, okay, dad told me about these days.
Starting point is 00:27:08 But you're still a young book. Look, your woman, my mom used to be gray-headed. I notice now she's got black hair. These women, you know, you get turn them loose. Hair and makeup is a big thing with women. I didn't learn that early either, but I finally hit me. Get out of way when it comes for hair and make up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:30 They're going to do that. Yeah. It's a woman thing, you know. When God made a woman, always remember this, Chase. He made a very strange creature. And you've learned that. hard way son yeah i mean you're repenting after the first 10 days that means okay i got a tiger by the tail here what am i going to do with her yeah well when i was at that wedding the night
Starting point is 00:27:56 every time the preacher was she crying when she saw the wedding no oh my wife yeah yeah well she wasn't crying but she was tears were in her eyes yeah you know no no like hope but just she was crying she was remembering the good old days probably when she ran up on you. But what you got to remember, because you messed out on all this about going to weddings. I've noticed something. When you, I guess I can say this, I'm married. This is what married people do.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Sex was God's idea. And he's like, get after. Husband, wife, go for it. When you take your wife to a wedding, that's a good place to be. because later on that night, the romantic vibes of that carries over. It carries over.
Starting point is 00:28:46 That's why I said women are strange creatures. You know, figure that out. So when she said, I'm going to come into town, do you want to go to this wedding with me? In the past, I would have said, but now I've realized what that means. So my phrase in all caps, because I was doing this in text messaging,
Starting point is 00:29:05 was absolutely. I missed the follow-up. too, your mama, she doesn't go around saying, you want to go with me to a wedding? I'm like, no. Yeah, you're missing out on that. That was a bad call, I'm just saying. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Yep. So to get this to a spiritual angle, I think it's interesting that Peter stands up after his life of mistakes, and he's fixed to declare that God loves you, despite what you actually participated in doing to Jesus. But his first line, just think about the first line of this sermon, he says, fellow Jews, and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you, listen carefully
Starting point is 00:29:51 to what I say. These men are not drunk. They thought, since the craziness was going on with the languages and the violent wind, the what seemed to be fire, and these guys evidently were excited to the point, which the reason I'm bringing this up is because when Ephesians 5, when he made the marriage analogy, he then, or not analogy, but like, here's what you do, husbands, love your wives, wives, submit to your husbands, but I'm talking about the church being married to Jesus. He also made another analogy about don't get drunk on too much wine, but be filled with the spirit. And so that seems to be coming up a lot. So I want to say this, there was some excitement. When you look at what and how the spirit was
Starting point is 00:30:48 symbolically used with the fire and the water and the wind. And when you start thinking, there's a hurricane inside of me, and it's the awesome power of God. This was an exciting thing. He then addresses the historical part of it because he quotes Joel saying it's only 9 in the morning first of all, which I, you know, I know
Starting point is 00:31:15 some people that they don't mind being drunk by 9, but he just made a point it's early. And he quotes Joel saying, in these last days, so he's going back to whenever Joel wrote that, I was going to ask that,
Starting point is 00:31:31 but we keep losing him. Joel said in the last days God says I will pour out my spirit on all people so here we have this moment where God is going to bring all diversity together inside one union with him and so Peter has figured that out now he's come a long way since Jesus looked around and said get behind me Satan and his denial. And so I just think it's fascinating that if you were going to dream this up
Starting point is 00:32:08 on how the creator of the universe was going to be reconciled with humans, he did it through a moment of his spirit being unleashed that everybody thought that they were drunk. The people representing God, he had to get past the fact
Starting point is 00:32:27 that they're not drunk. I mean, don't you find that fascinating? It is. I'm telling you, but you start through here, and he keeps referring to that union between people and God through Jesus. And it's a marriage of sorts, and you start looking at that, and you're saying, boy, and he keeps bringing it back. I'm speaking of the kingdom, the kingdom, the kingdom, the kingdom. It's the building. and it's the way.
Starting point is 00:33:03 It's all these different names. It's the temple. It's called a lot. We're called a lot of names. Why people just settle on one and never change their signage? I don't know. But we're called a lot of different things, including the bride of Christ. You could put that on your sign outside and say, what the world is that?
Starting point is 00:33:23 Well, that's my point, Phil. I'm like, I think the number one thing I get from people who are not in Jesus is they'll come visit a church and they're like where's the excitement because if you read this and you see the benefits and we're talking about the the holy spirit being compared to fire and wind and he's available to you today and they thought these people were drunk they were so excited and then you know you've been in some some settings at churches where it just didn't seem like this was happening. You're like, you walk in and say, well, this seems more like a funeral.
Starting point is 00:34:08 A pretty good bit of hot wind, but not a whole lot of fire. I mean, when you start thinking of the benefits of what you have in Jesus and the Holy Spirit and have God as your father, you get forgiveness, you get eternal life, you have now a purpose. every day you have this awesome holy spirit inside of you I remember thinking these things it's good news for everyone
Starting point is 00:34:40 every living soul out there it is the gospel literally means good news it really is they can be news you know you can win a lottery and you say that's good news not really because it doesn't apply to anybody else but this is for everyone
Starting point is 00:34:58 yeah I just remember having these moments in my Christian life where the realization of what happened here, when I was in a setting like with the world, whether I was going out with a girl who was not, I was thinking of myself, this girl is not going to, in her current condition, is not going to help me get to heaven. In fact, she's probably going to keep that from happening. So I realize that. And it gets awkward.
Starting point is 00:35:29 You start having this awkward conversation. Unfortunately, most people do not realize that. But what I'm telling you is when the only thing I could say, or even as competitive as I was, all the sports I was involved in, and the odds seem overwhelming, and I didn't feel like I was playing very good. I would just have these moments of, I have the Holy Spirit of God in me.
Starting point is 00:35:54 I'm going to live forever. I'm indestructible. I've been forgiven. And I couldn't help but be confident in these moments where I think that if I hadn't thought of these things, that I would have gone in a different direction in each of these. Not saying that every time I had that thought. But I know one thing, when I read this, I get excited every time and I've been reading it for 30-something years, just the birthplace of how it came to be.
Starting point is 00:36:28 that we can be united with the creator of the universe. Yep. There's just something about that that every time I read it, I get excited. Yep. It does. If you're in well with the Spirit of God, fear runs away after that. Fear, fear leaves. So I was going to mention one more thing.
Starting point is 00:36:55 You know, when he quotes Joel, which I'm not sure how long. long before this, Joel wrote his prophecy. Do you know that off top of your head, Zach? I don't. No, I don't. But it was at least a few hundred years.
Starting point is 00:37:16 He says, in verse 18, he says, even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my spirit in those days. Well, he said, this is the fulfillment of that. But he also in the quote, and I think a lot of people
Starting point is 00:37:30 who haven't surrendered to Jesus, when they read things like this, it scares them. It says, I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Starting point is 00:37:51 So when people read that, they're like, well, I haven't seen the moon turn to blood. What does that mean? How would you respond to that, Zach? well I don't think I think it's talking like Bill is saying earlier I think this was the coming of the kingdom I don't necessarily think that this is all something that is going to happen in the future maybe it's something that's about to happen right then and I think there's some symbolism here that it's a new world it's a new order the the earth as we know it has changed because now humans can actually have the holy spirit of God in them up until this point you had a chosen nation which was the shadow of the church becoming the chosen nation of God don't you agree so don't get so hung up on well trying to take this literal saying well I didn't see you know see all these cheesy movies that like oh you know
Starting point is 00:38:52 those this booms turn into blood and at the death of Jesus they there was quite a few things that were mentioned, darkness covered the whole land. I mean, it was a major event. Yeah, I think that literally happened. Oh, I think so. Yeah. So what we're saying is this was fulfilled in Jesus and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. This happened right here.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Yeah. He's quoting it saying, it's here. Would you agree? That's the only point I was trying to me. Yeah, what I was going to say is that if you go back and read the Old Testament, kind of the history of what happened there. There was a continual, I think I've said this on the podcast before,
Starting point is 00:39:33 but there was a continual kicking God out of the temple. And then God's presence would come back. And it was like this back and forth, back and forth, back and forth relationship with God's people and his dwelling in the temple that they kept bastardizing. And what's happening here is he's saying,
Starting point is 00:39:51 no, I'm going to come in and you're going to be the temple. Like literally, the Holy Spirit is going to live inside of a body. And that's a pretty profound thought. That's why when we were talking earlier, I was saying it's not simply spiritual because it is spiritual because it's God's Holy Spirit, but where is he living?
Starting point is 00:40:12 He's living in us. He's living in our bodies. And wherever we go, then we have the spirit with us. We are the temple, which is profound to think about the implications of that. Oh, it's amazing. And so what I was getting at is a lot of people miss out on that having god literally inside of them and representing him because they're trying to figure out well i'm waiting on this when's the moon going to turn to blood and when i see that i'll i'll change my
Starting point is 00:40:40 life which i think that's why he said when they said you know this jesus god has made him both lord and christ and they're like well what do we do they were cut to the heart because they realize God has become a human from our country. And we killed him, but it was God's way of doing that to save us. And guess what? He's not dead. He has the power to come back from the dead. Say that again?
Starting point is 00:41:12 Yeah, well, it wasn't just that. They were also, think about what he said. He told them, you know, the Messiah, the one you guys have been prophesying about and waiting on, the one you've studied in the scriptures, like that guy. Yeah. They still are. You missed him.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Some are. Some are. But these folks, in particularly in Jerusalem here, they were, they waited on the Messiah to come. And then Peter said, you killed the one that you've been waiting on. And I think that was the burning conviction that they felt because it was like, wow, we put all of our hope in this coming of a Messiah. He came and then we killed him. But then the good news of that is,
Starting point is 00:41:51 he was raised from the dead. You didn't, I mean, you killed him, but he didn't stay in the grave, which is the hope, right? Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how mortal men without help from God could have dreamed this story up. You see what I'm saying, Zach? How in the world could you have dreamed this up? You talk about way out there. It's a scandal.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Huh? It's a scandal. It's a ridiculous scandal, except for the fact that it's true. and the power of the spirit is made manifest the people are crushed they were cut to the heart peter tells them to repent and be baptized every one of them in the name of jesus christ so that their sins will be forgiven and you'll receive the gift of the holy spirit he starts there and he told them it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him within a few minutes earlier. If you go to Acts, that's two. You go to Acts 3, you disowned the holy and righteous
Starting point is 00:43:01 one and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, and that's what he told them in Acts 2. But God raised it from the dead, and we're witnesses of all this. You get to Acts 4, they were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead you can look down a little further in Acts 4 Jesus Christ of nathus whom you crucified whom God has raised from the dead and they went on Acts 5 before Acts 5 the last Acts 4 great power the apostles continued to testify the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and much grace was on them all look and I'm just giving you a few you say the book of Acts, the focus, the focal point is the resurrection of the dead, Zach.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Yeah. Resurrection of the dead over and over and over. You would think in a world where we know we're going to die of something physically, we're going to pass away, as they say, we're going to be lost. Yeah. They proclaim the resurrection of the dead like it's a snap based on what Jesus did. The most amazing part to me about Acts 2 is just as much about what he didn't say in his sermon. Because here's the first sermon where people can now be united with God through Jesus.
Starting point is 00:44:32 He didn't get off, he didn't have a list of sins. No. You know, the only time he mentions things that are sinful is he said, you with the help of wicked men put him to death, he in verse 40 after he had told him repent and be baptized he said repent because you're going to make some changes if Jesus is your Lord he said save yourselves from this corrupt generation but I just think if you step back and look at it he just introduced Jesus so here here is who he is and here's what he did and here's what he will do and they heard it and said, what do we do?
Starting point is 00:45:20 Now then he got into making some changes, and I believe here baptism is more of a surrender, kind of like when you surrender your will in your marriage, you know, to my wife. Someone else has you by the nap of the neck and pushing you under a pool of water. It's kind of a humbling. You're basically saying, I'm done.
Starting point is 00:45:46 let someone else is doing the yeah but it's like like your marriage you think about when they ask you your vows i mean they went through the vows Saturday night they were like do you promise to have and a hold it with i think their phraseology was with a little or with a lot in sickness and in health and they went through all these things and you're you're saying yep i'm I'm surrendering to this person. That's why I like that in Feasins 5, where it kind of sets the tone about submit to one another out of reverts for Christ.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Obviously, we have roles in marriage, and we can get to that another time. But here, he brings up repent, which is more than just an acknowledgement that I'm a sinner. He later on says that in Acts. You make a decision, yeah. Prove your repentance by your deeds.
Starting point is 00:46:42 You change, and you prove repentance, by your deeds and then be baptized. He also discusses that with, because obviously the churches, after Acts from Romans all the way to Revelation, they didn't understand baptism. That's why it keeps coming up. He keeps saying,
Starting point is 00:46:58 look, here's what happened, and he gets into the weeds and the details. But you can actually reenact Jesus' death, barrel, and resurrection. You know, Paul told the Romans that. Yep. And so, but he didn't really explain it here.
Starting point is 00:47:12 He just said, here's what he did he goes through the cross it's impossible for death to keep his hold on him he came back from the dead he poured out the spirit what you now see and here God made him both Lord and Christ they said what do we do
Starting point is 00:47:26 he said well repent make some changes and prove it surrender be baptized you'll get forgiveness of sins in the Holy Spirit not because you necessarily did those things but you did those things because you've
Starting point is 00:47:44 now falling in love. That's what it says. Yeah. But the point was Jesus. You fall on your knees, you're cut to the heart, and then the responding is just, what do we do? So to me, these days, there's a lot of arguments about how you respond and the semantics of that. Let's get the presentation of Jesus right first, because that's what led to the response. And to me, my blood boils when people start arguing about how we're going to respond
Starting point is 00:48:19 and what we said in the response. And I'm like, well, let's make sure we're presenting Jesus. Because most people that I've seen, I would say all of them, but for my eyes, it's hard to see. When people fall in love with Jesus based on what Peter described here, on what he did and how powerful he is, oh, they're going to respond. In fact, you can't. You can't stop them from responding. No.
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