Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 213 | Phil & the Unmanned Tractor, Odd Preacher Fashion Trends & Guarding Against Affairs

Episode Date: January 24, 2021

Phil doesn't know much about PayPal, but he's pretty sure "he ain't my pal." Jase spots a remarkable fashion trend among preachers. When a leak starts to flood the Unashamed Lair, Phil fixes it in true redneck style. He also witnesses a field planted for him in a way he's never seen. And the guys discuss church leaders and sexual immorality, guarding yourself against extramarital affairs, and how it can harm the message of Christ when Christian leaders embrace sin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? There was a guy in Indiana. He was a Frenchman from South Carolina. He's a Frenchman. I was close. He's only been in the country four years, he said. But look, so he finds my checkbook, and I'm about to have to cancel all these checks, and it's just a pain in the butt, you know, it costs money. And he sends Lisa a note. I guess our names are on the checks. Yeah, you told us this. Okay, so here's the rest of the story. So he gets back to South Carolina,

and yesterday my checkbook shows up in the mail. Oh, I thought you'd already gotten to back. No, no, no, I hadn't gotten to back. Because he was traveling across the country, see, for a long trip. My take was I'll believe it when I see it. Well, it happened. I saw it. So look, he sent this really nice note,

and so I was just texting because he gave his name and his phone number, but he didn't get his address, which I wanted to send him something, but he didn't want anything. I don't want anything for doing this, but I was going to send him something anyway, a gift or something, you know, gift card. But he just said, we hope the checkbook finds you well. We wish you a happy New Year.

But I thought, now that's what people are to do. He should have written something in French. That would have been more. But his name is Jean something, so I don't want to give his name. But he did send his number, so I at least consider him a text and say, and I appreciate it. And if you ever need a duck call, if you ever get into duck cutting, I might get out of you.

But I just thought that's a kindness, just being lost. You know, this guy, and he didn't want anything. He was just like, no, I'll send it back to you. But you think about how we talk about thieving all the time and how people are. I'm surprised people are still writing checks. Well, I'm old school, Jay.

We quit doing that. We don't, we don't. Most people don't. You tell me giving it church and stuff. Nobody gives a check anymore. But I'm still kind of old school. The last time I had a check encounter, we had done some event

a couple years ago, and there were no people there. Well, I just bought a chaco, Jay. Trust me, I'm going to believe he. You're going to write a check. You ain't get no track of them. No, you can get them. They ain't sending it through the mail.

There's a virtual world. What is saying? It didn't show up down here and delivered until the check went through. What I'm hearing in this discussion, Jay says, he said he needs a check from you. It's what I'm. He plays that stock market when ain't no checks. Oh, look at what I got today. You know, I'm like, well, I love it when the audience gets to see an actual

negotiation discussion among their family. There's things called PayPal and Skype. PayPal. PayPal. Yeah, well, I never heard anybody I'll pay money to as my pal. How much? $128,000. It's one of my best.

Hey, my pal, Jay. Here's the stock tip. Forget what Phil said. Go by. He's a PayPal. That judge is a rocket. No, it's how the transaction happened. You know, like Venmo.

Venmo. Daddy, are you aware of Bitcoin? Do you have some... Well, no, wait a minute. That's a different kind of currency. But you can now, Phil, take your phone and push a couple buttons and he can receive a payment. Among other things from your phone. How do we get on then?

It always goes back to the same. It always goes back to the same. So I've weighed the need because a lot of them say, I feel I wish I didn't have one either but in my line of work I have to have one which makes sense I got it well film

and if the people we're talking to right now didn't have their phones there's no way they could hear us so because of that we try to win some so the artists need to realize so are you trying to win us over yeah so Chad from Indiana

who's a farmer well actually he's a guy that works on John Deere equipment. Yeah. And he sent us a note because he heard this discussion. He said, I want you to tell your dad's something. Y'all love those products from John Deere's stuff. They're awesome.

He sent a note. He said, look, tell your dad the way it is now, we can't work on John Deere without without the Internet. They don't make them anymore with manuals. That's right. Now, in other words, if they don't plug into the Internet, they can't fix John Dears. He said, that's just the way it is. My farmer friend, I said, come over here and I wanted to plant a field for me.

He pulled up in a big John Deere tractor with all the implements on the back and the whole thing. All computer do it. He pulled up there and he pulled over to the side a little bit. He said, feel it would be about 30 minutes. I got to get in touch with Iowa. I said, the state of Iowa? He said, yeah, I got to get hold of John Deer up in Iowa. And they'll, they got to scope this field first.

So he said, now I'm going to get clearance from them. We're taking a picture of it, the exact acreage, and what I'm going to use it for. And he said, I actually don't have to, I could get out of it and walk over and talk to you while the tractor does all the plant. That was he could be over there talking to me. He said, I don't have to be on in the thing driving it. It will drive itself on this 60 acres.

He said it'll drive itself turn. Because it maps it. It maps it and the rows are straight as an arrow, and he's not even in the thing. He said, I don't have to drive it. They'll drive it from Iowa, and I'm like, I'm standing now. I'm going to, boy, I'm way behind in time now. Can you imagine having that back in a couple of thousand years ago, 500 years ago? So that makes sense when you see those pictures of the show those ones going kind of in a staggered road.

There's probably just nobody in them. No, there's somebody in them. They're just going. Wow. That's amazing. I guess that's why you don't see many skinny farmers anymore. That's right. I was wondering that because they're like, boy, out there all day. These farmers could enlighten us all.

They're one of the greatest, smallest groups on planet Earth. They've got quite a few listeners because I get some notes from those guys. They're feeding the whole world. I mean, more than just us. You know, how many farmers are there? Like 2% or 1 or 2%? It's very small. These guys are awesome.

So I came in here I salute everybody who tells us all And the high-tech gadgetty they do it with It's amazing I have to wear my John Deer hat So I come in here Jason There's water over here all in the podcast layer We've had a leaky situation

And the problem is I don't know about you But I learned from dad Absolutely nothing about how to fix stuff And I don't know if it's your fault But I'm just saying documented my position. I mean, what I do is hire other people now.

I provide jobs for others. In this particular instance, that water that was on the floor, I began to track the source of that water, come to find out right back behind us, there's an ice machine, and when I looked, the drain pipe on it had come unglued and it dropped down, and the water just drained it out behind that wall right there,

forcing it out there. Right. So. Well, that's why I was going to commend you. What you should have learned for me a long time ago is you said, how'd you fix that? I said, I fixed that with duct tape. Well, that's what I learned from following you around that is that you put stuff together, but it usually wasn't at a precision level like a professional.

I will agree with that. But he does not learn how to track it back. So I was going to commend you that you fixed our problem because I was going to get a plumber out here to try to get that water up. So tell us about the hunt today. What happened? The ducks are Because this is rainy and nasty here today. And the water's coming up, which is four years in a row.

Which scatters the ducks. This is the fifth. Fifth year in a row. Is it five? Yeah. Fifth backwater in a row. Which I don't ever remember in 45 years of living out here. I don't remember five backwaters in a row.

Last year was the latest, latest backwater ever in Louisiana. I'd stayed longer last year to any of them have. Well, we have a situation here. It's a wet state. The commerce in our town, they make money from barges going up and down. So the river has been raised. When did they raise at 1970 something? 30 years.

And so when you start off high and you live in a state that's number one in rainfall and number three in land to water coverage ratio, guess what? It's not whether it's going to flood. It's how long it's going to last. It's going to flood. So it scatters of ducks. But, you know, Phil will agree. You never have a bad time duck cutting.

We shot five ducks. Yep. You learn to treasure each one more. But we were talking today about, you know, the conversations that you have. We had a preacher from, where is he from? He's from Atlanta. He's from Atlanta. He's been here a couple days.

I'm not sure where he even came from. I just looked up. He was here. He's a friend of mine. I think Jay invited him. And Jay, right. But Jay hadn't been here. He's a good dude.

Yeah, he is. And so. Good solid brother. So I hit him where it hurt because we have spiritual conversations in the blind, which is useful. We literally have had a duck blind podcast amongst ourselves for about three days. We should have been recording all that. We could have used that.

That was pretty good stuff. But I said, I hit him where it hurt. I said, you say somebody's skinny jeans. That's where I use it. I didn't know how he dressed because he, In the duck blind situation, he looked... Because everybody has camo, right, right, right. And he had a little starter beard.

It had been manicured, so there was some premeditation there. He's ball-headed with a lot of tattoos. You know he's ball-headed because he probably had a hat on. He didn't notice. No hair. And so I said, no, look, I've had a question. I said, are you one of these preachers that wears... There's a thing going on.

He was looking dead serious. Because I had heard a sermon a few weeks ago. We had visited the church in Austin. I was like, awesome. It literally was top 10 I've ever heard. It was focused on Jesus. They had gone through the book of John. It was fabulous.

I said, the one thing that bothered me, I said, because he had made reference that he had four kids. But he was wearing a, like, a flat bill hat. And he had these weird looking high top sneakers on. And his shirt was two sizes too small. And I thought. And the jeans were tight. What are we doing that? But, Jay, you're forgetting up front before you rip on him.

Yeah. He's a city dweller, son. That's true. City dweller. Well, the only reason I brought this up to him is because when we went to this worship... They don't look like rednecks out here. Hang on. Let me develop this issue.

When we went to the worship conference in Nashville a couple years ago. They all looked the same in there. Everyone, what up? We had the same type of guard. It's a cookie cup. better. I thought, what are we doing? Is this a thing?

So I asked him. And look, I could tell, it embarrassed him. I said, do you have a pair of these weird high top? And he went, I think what happened. He wouldn't answer the question. He said, he named off some of these great pastors and preachers. And he said, people saw them. And they just, they respect them.

And they started dressing like them. and which he had a valid point. He said, I just, because then he put it on me, he said, I wouldn't think you were the type of person to hand out fashion advice. And he kind of looked at me up and down once. I thought, I was about to say that. So I'm glad he said it. That's a valid point.

But I just, I just felt weird about it. I was like, you know, what happened to be yourself? Of course, he didn't have a good answer for that, you know. But then today, I mean, that was kind of the funny, funny show. If you show, don't show favoritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting, James Chapter 2. Suppose a man comes to your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes. Here we go.

I should have known that was a biblical reference. And a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. That would be you two. Yes, sir, you got one well dressed and one night. If you show special attention, Jace, to the man wearing fine clothes and say, here's a good seat for you. If you say, the spiffy one, we got to take care of him. The guy over there, you know, it's got the raggedy clothes sleeping on the bridge. Call him.

Here's a good seat for you. But say to the poor man, you stand there or sit on the floor by my feet. Have you not discriminated among yourselves or become judges with evil thoughts? That's a good point. You know, you look at that, that's a pretty serious matter with the Almighty. It is. On the outward appearance. I should have read this first.

So to, let's take a quick break. So to Jason's point, he did in practicality by poking fun what you just said in that text, because he was poking fun of the people that were dressed, this cookie cutter. And I was really kidding. Right. But it did. I was curious. Look, I noticed the exact same thing because I travel out and speak.

It's not a good trend. What I would go up there, what Jason is talking about it is that everybody looked the same. It was really weird. That's the way I felt. I thought, is this a thing now? Should I buy some high tops if I'm going to come in? That's what I was thinking.

Jay's don't break out in high tops. No, I trust me. I call them elfin boots because the ones I saw had some little boots that they may look like an elf because it kind of came to a point like they could kill a cockroach in a corner, you know, one of them kind of deals. And I saw that, and everybody looked the same. They had these weird little round hats on. Some of them did.

Yeah, I don't get it. These are the singers. I walked in the green room and all the people are there and the pastures there and he's young and he looks just, they all look the same. He's got the tight jeans. I said, well, I didn't get the memo and everybody just stopped, you know, because I said it like loud. Anybody looked you at me and said, I didn't know there were his uniforms to be here. I didn't get, and then they all started laughing. I did exactly what you do.

I've never seen another human being where this type of is because it's city. Dad's right about that. It's cities, that's the look. We're not in cities. I mean, Westmanoe's not a city. But, Al, what makes you get up in the morning? You hear a great sermon. The last thing I'm thinking of is, I need to dress like that guy.

See, I don't think that way. Me and Mike preach it West Road, if you dress like us, you're going to be wearing a vest. You know, that's our thing. Year-round vest. It keeps you good at it. It's a man-groom. Don't overdo it when it comes to outward appearance. I mean, I had a minor discussion.

with my wife when I went to this wedding the other night because she came out looking classy and we were talking about that in the blind today I said I was real proud of my wife because some of the I mean it's the wintertime but some of the younger people there were not I would say were dressed immodestly the skirt's way too short and and I just always look at my wife and think man I've been blessed by God here's a I mean she looks all but she always dresses classy. But that then spawned a conversation about how leaders, I mean, we were kind of kidding about the clothes,

but I guess not really now. Now that Bill brought the hammer. Now that we got the bowel birth. But we were talking about how leaders are only a couple moments away from doing things that just destroy the reputation of the church. We talk about affairs and we were kind of talking in that vein. It's like whatever, and we were doing in the context of those women that I was talking about. Because Josh, you were talking about was a pastor for many years and now works with pastors

and mainly works in situations where he's kind of a 911 guy that goes in when something like this happens in a church. Yeah, and he was bringing that up. He was like, these guys, like some of them, you know, act like they don't know what happened, which is, you know, I mean, you don't just accidentally slip. They're like, well, I slipped. And they're like, you've been having a two-year affair with another woman and you're supposedly a leader in church. That's not a slip.

That was a rolling down a hill avalanche. But we did make the point that there are these moments that come up because you can make a bad decision just like this. Wrong place, wrong time. You're confronted with a woman. I shared a story that I was at an event sometime. I probably shared it before on here. And it was this woman that looked like she had no business making a move on me.

She looked classy looking. She was like, what are you doing after the show? And it's like when I looked up and just kind of looked at my surroundings, I'm like, how did I get in this position? Everybody was just away, and maybe she saw that opportunity. and moved in. And I was just like a deer in the headlights. Of course, I thankfully, once I paused for like 10 seconds,

thinking the ramifications of everything, my life was flashing in front of my face. I was like, I'm going to go call my wife, which was a really good answer. That was good answer. And tell her about you. No, I just ended it there. And that was it.

But. Of Missy, you know, we did the Duck Commander Cruise. Oh, here we go. Phil actually brought that up. She's still a little upset about that one. Some woman comes and plop down on Jason's lap to take a picture. Her mom and Phil's. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. I didn't remember Dad been. But I remember my... I remember my burbid. Easy, easy, easy now. I was like... Did you start talking loud? I just said, easy, easy.

If my wife listens to this podcast, she... Look, she was not pleased with me. She was not happy. But she wasn't there, even though she was right behind me, the girl said, the young woman said, can I, can we be in front? And I thought, because everybody else had been in the back. Yeah, they had walked behind. And I thought she meant like, take a knee in front of the camera. And I was like, sure. And she plopped down on your left. On my knee, my left knee. She did grab me, you know, around and acted like, we're a couple. The problem with that is my wife is five feet behind me. And I was like, hurry up and take the picture, you know. That's what I was thinking.

And so I looked and her mom, and look, these women look like models. I remember it. Because I was on the other side of you. And I think there was nothing, you know. No, they were just. The Apostle Peter had it right. Well, let me finish this story. I urge you as aliens and strangers, Jace,

in the world to abstain from sinful desires that's war against your soul live such good lives among the pagans that though they accuse you of doing wrong oh he made a he's trying to make a hit mountain they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of Jesus I do agree but however you seem a little strange when you say honey you're talking to the wrong man well we didn't me or you said nothing

and they took the picture and then my wife turn red and when we got back to the room. I just didn't think they were going to come at that speed and plop down in my lap. I just wouldn't know. And she said both of you all I'd be ashamed of yourself because you should have said, hey, get up. But I thought, well, we were only taking a picture and it was only a second. She's like, but you took a picture with a good looking woman on your knee and I'm sitting behind you. Yeah.

And you know what I said? Valid point. Yeah. And I will say I remember your mother and my daughter-in-law were out behind us and when I looked around

when them women plopped down like I just looked around at them and I'm like so what we fix to do now here but because our women were on the premises but there was fire coming out of their eyes

I could see it well in y'all's defense we were taking pictures with 3,000 people. Remember, we were there for hours and hours. So it's not like it was just a one. I mean, there's people rolling through here like crazy. So it was a weird situation.

It was. And look, having I finally relented and said, you're right. I should have just said, no. Hit and pointed. That's why I never spend one minute with females without witnesses on the premises. Well, I had a rule the whole time. was in ministry that if someone came to see me, a sister from, you know, someone needed to talk to me

or whatever, that I would never do that by myself. Lori would come in with me or when Lisa works in church, she would come down. Because, you know, I wanted to be able to talk to people and be open to people as a pastor. But at the same time, I don't leave any room for the devil to work. I want to read you a text about that because we've got a lot of men in our audience. One of the best text, I think, in the entire Bible about how we should think, And it comes from the weirdest book to me. It comes from the book of Job.

And it's Job 31. And Job in this context, you know, he's had all these terrible things happen to it. He's trying to figure out what's God got against me. And his friends, he's got three dopey friends that keep trying to say, you've done something. Just come out with it. You know, and Joekees, I don't know. So Job 31 is him defending his character.

But I want you to think about that. Job is an ancient book. We're talking about probably back pre-flood. I mean, it was an old. Job was an old dude. So it wasn't like they were running around like today in bikinis. I mean, they're wearing, the only thing they're seeing their eyes and ankles. And yet look at what he said in verse one.

I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl. That's how he starts it. So it's still about, we always talk about women in modesty. Joe says, no, no, no, wait a minute. Yeah, women need to be modest. But he made a covenant with his own eyes. I don't look at that. I make a decision.

I'm not going to do that. And then I want to read this one. Let's take another break. He said in verse 9, If my heart has been enticed by a woman, I love the way he puts this, or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door, you know, we've all seen the lurkers, right?

Then may my wife grind another man's grain and may other men sleep with her. In other words, if I'm not going to treat people respectfully, Why would I expect my wife to respect me, which I thought was really, really good? So that was just, and there's a lot of other good stuff in that thing. But I love it because he's saying, I'm going to be bold like we were talking about, about not being flirty with people. I mean, people just, they put themselves in bad positions, you know?

Well, and we were talking today because we were talking to this pastor, and we were like, we all know you can be forgiven for any sin. God's grace reaches deeper than we can imagine. But even in the scriptures where these problems occurred like the church at Corinth, he did single out the sexual sins as having more consequences. Correct. And people, I brought this up to people, and they're like, what do you mean? You know, in 1st Corinthians 618, now this is right after he had said,

he listed all these participants that commit sexual sins, and he said, that is what some of you were in verse 11. You were washed. You were sanctified. You were justified. So it's not about being forgiven. Right. But he makes a point in verse 18 that I think is really interesting.

He singles out this sexual sin. He says, flee from sexual immorality, which is basically sex that's not right between a husband and a wife that's married. All other sins a man commits are outside his body. make of that what you will, but it seems that this sin is different. Based on that statement. But he who sins sexually sins against his own body, which we're in Acts chapter 2 these days,

you know, the point out of the Holy Spirit and us being able to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And then he makes that reference here. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit? who is in you, whom you've received from God, you are not your own. You are bought out of price, therefore I honor God with your body. And I want to make a comment here. Most of the time when I hear somebody read this verse, they're not talking about sexual sins. They're talking about some other sin of the body.

And I'm like, well, wait a minute here. If you'll read that little phrase, all other sins a man commits are outside of its body. people, their smoke starts rising from their head. They're like, is that what that says? It's like, yeah, that's what he was talking about. And if you want to make a practical analogy about some other stupid thing you can do with your body, okay, I mean, I'm all ears, and I'm not saying you can't do that. But I know what he was talking about here.

And that's why we were talking about today. It doesn't mean you can't be forgiven, but you probably shouldn't be in church leadership. I agree. Because the very marriage mirrors, back to Ephesus. reasons five, us being married to Christ. And he had said that before. The body is not is meant, this is in 13, not for sex immorality, but for the Lord and the Lord for the body.

So it's like, you're married to him first. Then when you step out of that realm and commit this act with somebody else, now you've done two things. You turn you back on the Lord in the moment and your wife or husband or whichever one. applies. So that's why I think it is a more serious thing. The consequences are greater, especially when you're talking about leadership. What do you think? I agree. And to be very careful how you live because the days are evil. Yeah. So I do think it requires, my point is, it requires taking more steps to guard yourself from this situation. I was trying to find

that verse. Where's the verse that we're talks about false teachers and they come in to weak-willed women? I think that's 1 Timothy 2. They wormed their way. Wern their way in? Let me look. Two or four? I was thinking that to your point, Jace, as you're looking for it. First Timothy 2. No, I don't think it's 2, Phil.

Second Timothy 2, maybe. While you're looking for it, I'll find it. The point I want to make about that is to your point, I think you got it? I have. Second Timothy 3, I was in the neighborhood. It says that that people who have a form of

godliness in verse five, but deny its power, have nothing to do with them. But then it says, they are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weakly of women who are loaded down with sins on our sway by all kinds of evil desires, always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth. And I think the point there, by him having that particular reference is just what you're describing, that what happens is people that are in leadership, and that's what we're talking about in Acts 2. These are the disciples or the first ones.

You have a huge responsibility because you're shepherding other people. I mean, they have to be able to trust you. And so if you're in a, if you're a, if you're a false, a wolf in sheep's clothing or a false shepherd, then you have this power over these people. You hear it happen all the time. And I'm with you 100%. I mean, you know, Chuck Swindaw is a guy I read a lot as a young pastor. And, you know, he was so firm about this.

He was like, you have an affair. You're out. You don't need to be doing this anymore. And he said, I'm not saying you can't be forgiven. You can serve. You can do a lot of things. But you can't be trusted with the sheep of the kingdom. And he was hardcore.

And he's old school. But still, I took that to heart. And so that made me be super careful in this area because I could see where this could happen. And you get a guy that's taking advantage of people like Paul was describing in Timothy. And they can wreck, I mean, that can wreck people's faith. It's awful. It wrecks people's lives. Look, how many times have you seen people who go for years as a deacon or an elder or whatever?

And then it comes out, they were having a fair the whole time. And you're like, what kind of image is this representing the world as we, the bride of Christ, when we can't have these conversations? That's why a lot of people, they don't like to talk about sex or sexual sins. it makes them uncomfortable, or they're like, that shouldn't be talked about, well, I know where that's coming from, because it's not God's. Because the Bible talks about it a lot. Oh, my goodness.

I mean, it's all. I wonder why. Exactly. I think we should celebrate. Look, I've told my kids numerous, we talk about sex in a godly way. I'm like, they're embarrassed. They don't want to hear it, whatever, what them and. Mom and dad were always.

open about it with us. Same thing. And they were loving in front of us and, you know, playful. I would rather them have that in their head on how life gets here, you know, through God and through a married couple and, you know, the greatest. Because it's a God thing, which is, to your point earlier, and you're talking about Corinthians, I've always taken Paul what he meant by what he said there, was that this is a holy, divine to becoming one idea that God came up. with physical sex is but it's more than that it's emotional it's spiritual i mean first man first woman the idea was you two become one and we know just the physical part of that that's what happens so when you go down as paul described with a prostitute or with someone else and you you're making that

attempt to make that holy union of two people you're making it unholy and it is unique to other sins there's no doubt about it because this is something god designed specifically for a married man and a married one. That's why I love, I didn't realize how great it was going to be. But when you finally get in your 70s, you look around and you say, okay, what we have in here tonight, sex or popcorn? And you find yourself saying more, let's just go with popcorn. Popcorn's okay.

I love the idea because I'm like, you know what? I've learned my lessons. Hang on, let's take another break. Yeah, I want to speak to that, Dad. Because you're right, because at least I do a lot of marriage work. And when people are young, they're newly married, they're in their 20s. I mean, I get it. Sex is such a big part of everything that's going on.

You're having your children. And so you have a lot of issues in those areas a lot of times, some of what we talked about today. But you give a great picture to people. As you grow into your marriage, the physical part of that loses the early part of why it was so important. And again, God made us that way because you don't procreate anymore. once you get a little bit older. But still, you got to have that, I would say you and mom are probably emotionally and spiritually closer than you've ever been.

Is that not a fair statement? That's a fair statement. No doubt about it. So it grows. I mean, that part grows. Look, the only time my wife and I broke, we broke up when we were dating was, and look, I think it took my wife 30 years, which is about how long we've been married, to figure out my point, but finally one day she said, oh, okay, I understand what you're saying, because it comes up

every once in a while, because it was the only time we broke up. And because she thought I was being jealous and envious because a guy came up to her and said, I want to talk to you. They were at some get together at somebody's house. And she, she went into a room by herself with him, and he basically asked her out and she said no i'm dating you know me so she's like what are you getting all bent out of shape i was like she was thinking i was being jealous or envious that happened i really wasn't i my whole i was upset with when he said i want to talk to you when you went into the other room that's the problem i said you should have said well let's hear it why why why do we have to go in private? I said, because as a protector of you, I think you shouldn't have

done that. And so she finally realized that. I really believe that. She truly believed that. Because she didn't have an ulterior motive, so she wasn't looking at it like she was doing anything wrong. She thought I did. I really didn't. I'm like, you did great, saying no, but you should have just said, no, I'm not going anywhere. What is the, let's talk about it here. Why do we have to, I said, because he could have overpowered you in that moment and did something you didn't want. I was more concerned about that. Yeah. Because I thought she was naive and just said, okay, she wasn't thinking like that.

I said, I do the, if someone, a woman came and said, you know, come over to my house and no one's there and let's talk. Well, you wouldn't like it if I went out. I was like, no, we're talking now. let's hear it yep so it's and i've done that before like go to somebody's house and deliver something or whatever and they open the door and it's a woman and they're like oh yeah come on in i was oh no it's okay here just doing this i mean i'm not going to go i'm not going to lurk at my neighbor's door to put it in joe's vernacular i'm just not going to do it yeah well what i was going to say is you know we're in the book of acts you so what does all this have to do with the book of acts

when when peter gets up and shares jesus in acts two which is where we're lingering and the people respond and everything's exciting and they get forgiveness of sins and they get the holy spirit and the lord adds to their number being saved and then the next paragraph is awesome it's like this kind of earthly dwelling that even the far left what they're trying to attain it's like Everyone devoted themselves to the fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the prayer. They've all come under one umbrella under Jesus. They're filled with all the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold their possessions and goods they gave to anyone as he had need.

And every day they continued to meet together. A movement has started. They broke bread and their homes and ate together. glad sincere hearts praising God to join the favor and the Lord kept adding to their number but then when you just flip to the next book in Corinthians you're like what happened what because what happened was it was exciting we have a movement but then the daily grind of life somebody went over probably with good motives and we had a situation here where somebody was a young lady for friend. And so then you get this letter to the Corinthians of trying to explain that, hey,

you got the Holy Spirit. Remember all that back there in Acts 2? Remember how it used to be? Yeah. And so that's my point is that when you're reading this narrative, people are like, okay, I agree with this, but they disassociated, just like they did, and this becoming a real movement, to us, this just becomes, okay, our birthplace for the church or just a story. And then we walk right out. And the Holy Spirit actually being a thing inside of us and moving, gets forgotten in these little moments that happen in day-to-day life.

And the next thing, you know, the whole thing's gone up in smoke. Yep, yep. I think to your point, you mentioned about the far left, because I've seen this text, particular text references, what the Bible is for socialism and communism, and they'll read this verse. Right. That was exactly what I was. And I'm always like, or maybe some sort of liberal theologian. And I'm just like, no, but you missed the whole thing.

If God's not in charge of the movie, if Jesus isn't at the core of the movement, you don't even get started on the right page. And what was interesting was we had a literal, classic petri dish example this past summer. The summer of Chaz, remember there's six blocks in the middle of Seattle. They said, we're going to be an autonomous zone. And this is the way we're going to live. We don't need the police. We don't need anything else.

And so they closed, they had their borders. They didn't need a wall. We're going to be good. And we don't need God. We're just going to do this for each other. We're going to show what harmony looks like. And, of course, it took about what, a few weeks to turn into a drug-soaked murder scene. People are getting shot.

They're getting killed. I mean, like, this is the idea to do this without God will not work. Well, because all his principles are good. Right. Now, people, they'll argue that. They're like, well, look at these churches. Look at these hypocrites. What about that leader that, you know, had sex with this?

Right. That still doesn't change the fact that Jesus is holy. And there's no unrighteousness there. That's the only way this works. Let's say one last break. And to your point, the reason this has worked in the first century and is still around 2,000 years later, is because we learn from Paul and all these other writers

that human beings are going to mess up, which, again, is how Jesus trains us to forgive one another, to love one another, to come out of sinful situations, to confront somebody like Paul did. So, again, you don't see that in a situation without life. Be quick to forgive. Quick to forgive. You don't have forgiveness.

I think the struggle comes, though, with people is that we're all flawed. we will all continue to be flawed. And so every time we share Jesus, even if we're all together in this way under one bond, which is Jesus, our Lord, and the spirit and dwellings, that's always going to be an attack because we are flawed. Now, we're sitting here saying, well, if you're going to be one of the leaders,

there's just some things that you're not going to be able to do and be a leader. Right. Not that you can't confess your sins, become a servant once again, and do all the things that you need to do to show God and his people that you love him. I mean, we can go through all that. But I'm saying that's what they use against Christianity at its core is that, yeah, but you're still flawed.

So how dare you go out there and tell me how to live? Don't judge me. Or, yeah, don't judge. Like, well, I'm just sharing Jesus with you. And y'all can, he's really good about changing your behavior and your mindset and how you are open about your mistakes. And so I think that is kind of the grind why the world tends to attack. Because here you look at this, this setting, because they had sin too, even with God. And it got worse, as we see in Corinthians.

And to your point, a political movement. can never provide that. That's right. It just can't. And it's been tried. I mean, Dad was talking about it on the last podcast.

There's been, man, there's been power after power that have tried to do it by rule, but you can't. And a good example, I was talking about

the thing happened in Seattle. There were about two or three other cities that people saw this. And they thought, huh, well,

we're going to try that in Asheville, North Carolina or Nashville, Tennessee. So they started putting up their stuff. And the mayors

and governors in those days moved in and said, oh, no, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. And they ended it quickly, which I thought about that. It depends on your leadership. That mayor of Seattle, she sat right there and watched that whole thing go down.

And then people got killed. I was like, you can't do that. What are you doing? Can you not look at this situation and see people are fixing to get hurt? Yeah. Well, one of the things, when you get to the leadership, too, it's worthy of note that when you get into the elders, I directed you, the apostle Paul said in Titus 1, about verse 6,

an elder must be blameless. He said, who do we run up on? And he's hard to blame him with something. The husband of but one wife, he's had a lot of them. What's he doing talking about to divorce people and trying to help him? A man whose children believe, you're like, whew. So if any of his children go rogue, he's out. not open to the charge.

That's not funny, but I know it's absolutely. Whoever the elder is, he's not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since he's entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless again, not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given too much wine, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain, he must be hospitable. He must be one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy, and discipline.

And to your point, he's talking to Christians. Yeah. And he must hold firmly to the trustworthy message that has been taught so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. Now, you got that list there, and a lot of people say, I said, so is that the way y'all say, elders are?

they said, well, we don't actually have elders. I mean, like elders, you're like, why? And they said, well, because I don't think we have anybody like that. We can't find some guys who are like this. You know what? It's not funny because it is tough. I mean, look, we all got baggage. And that's why I said it's not about being forgiven.

It's not about pulling your bootstraps up and, you know, turning your life. into a way to share Jesus. That can happen. But the way we're set up with a church headquarter on every street corner, which ultimately it should be in heaven and you have leaders that you're trying to portray, well, he addresses that. He's like, look, you need to get in these guys' lives. And I'd say, guys, couples, because I view it more from a, you know,

the two, when a married man and a woman, or they become one. So it's like, what are the qualifications of the elders? Well, they're a couple. It should be for both. So, I mean, trust me, if their wife has gone off the reservation of whatever mischief, he's not going to be able to lead anyway. It's not going to work.

This is not going to work. I wanted to read this because I know we're running out of time. I think in modern day Christianity, this, when you see leadership that and a long line of them in certain denominations, and there is gross sexual immorality. You know, we're talking homosexual behavior. People living together. Everyone knows the ones I'm referring to, and you say, and it's on a gigantic scale. I mean, a lot of them.

Well, these qualifications here are not just written down there, so that people would look at it, well, you know, but you can, you'll be forgiven. We'll handle it. We'll work it out. Well, look what it's done in our culture, Dad. It's harmed the message of Christ from going out because people look at that and they're disgusted about it. And the ungodly say there's no one good.

Oh, of course, because you've got to hold groups of people that are embracing things that the Bible clearly says, don't you? Well, that's why you got to take it seriously. And we are not the judge. There's only one God. That's right. But we're trying to represent him in a holy way and not in a rule. oriented system, but based on who God is, and the example Jesus said, we're trying to take

serious, you know, doing what's right. Right. And not doing what's wrong. But, you know, I think as members of or disciples of Jesus, we need to focus on doing what's right. You know, it's like you see even in the political. Not to be saved, but to show others what, what, how the saves operate. Well, right. You remember the passage in Ephesians where it said, don't steal. He's removed their sins.

His grace has saved us. Now you say, what's next? Well, you remember the point where he said, don't steal so that you can work so that you can share. Well, we want to be people who share what we have. But, you know, some people

have a stealing problem. They're way away from, you know, sharing anything. Because they're trying to take. So you're looking from a leadership or guys got a problem with stealing, probably not ready to be put in a leadership role. It's one thing not to share is my point,

but to make this from a political angle, too, I mean, we just had the inauguration, we got a new president, and I'm still hearing what, as far as their agenda, what they're against, which is the former president. I'm like, you're in. You won.

That, what? But it's still, seems to me, you know, and I'm making this as an illustration to Christianity. You can't go around as policemen

trying to say what you're against. That's not standing for anything. Jesus wants us to be out there representing him in whatever way we can figure out to make him look good.

But there is a byproduct of that when it comes to how we live our lives where we take serious the righteous and holiness of God. So I wanted to read this last passage. So hold that thought, Jase. We're going to, we got, I want you to hold this thought until after. And folks, if you want to get a little bit bonus material today because we're out of time for Unashame, you can, we've been talking about going to blazedtv.com slash Phil or slash jace, you get $30 off to come on board with the, with the Blaze TV. And so we're going to do a little

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