Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 226 | Jase Almost Sets Missy on Fire, Phil Is Not Country Club Material & Impress God, Not People

Episode Date: February 15, 2021

Jase nearly sets his wife, Missy, on fire while trying to figure out how to operate his new yuppie fireplace. He also gets reprimanded for not having the right attire at a country club, but he comes up with a solution to save the day. Phil isn't country club material, and he knows it. Is offering our kids $100,000 not to drink until age 30 a good idea? And the guys discuss why we should focus on impressing God instead of trying to impress people. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, it's good to be back. I appreciate y'all let me have a few days off. You had a little recoup time from the post-ordial of duck season. We had duck season, and we've been traveling the roads, but we needed some down time. You know, duck season is a beast when you do it every day. and so I was in that week after duck season and so I hung out with Missy. Well, the day I left, I had some Jesus moments

that I was going to share. You know, the day I left to go out there, Willie asked me to come to a meeting, and I didn't know what it was about. I thought it was some kind of business venture, and he was like, it's about sharing Jesus to the world. I was like, no what time? I'll be there.

so I went over and he had some guys there I mean some of the great minds in the brotherhood and they were basically just talking about how to how to reach young people in a practical way of sharing Jesus but what I thought was interesting is one of the guys that was part of their team and these were all I guess they were about my age or older and was a guy who he He said he was an investment owner. At one time in his life was top 1% of all investment companies in the world. So we're talking, this guy knows what he's doing. So I was thinking of all the people, I mean, what is he doing here?

He must be the money man. That's what I was thinking. And they were all kind of sharing their story and their background. And he said, you know, about five years ago, he had made literally, you know, millions of dollars, and he said it was a golden egg that he found hollow. Even though he had been successful, worldly standards, just wasn't doing it.

He said, why am I miserable? And so he had an encounter with Jesus. He's like, look, I went to church, but I was all about making money. And so he shared that and has wrote a book since. I think there's a tagline on the book because he sent me a picture of it. Because it got my attention because I'm in the stock market. I've given my, you know, opinions.

And the tagline in the book was from success to significance. And so now when I asked him, you know, what he does. now because I started it just really was interesting because I know the verses that says you know it's it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to make it heaven so I like I wanted to get in in this guy's mind and so it was so funny because he's like look I still that's what I do I make investments he said I just started a new investment company and he said it's kind of he used chick filet as a reference he said it's kind of the chick fillet of investment groups in that I don't compromise what I really and truly believe based on what I do

for a living. He said, so now when I talk about finances and people's money and investments, he's like, I try to use all that to get in a conversation about Jesus. I just thought it was incredible. I said, well, there's no difference in what you do than what I do. We just kind of went backward. I said, I encountered Jesus, shared Jesus, made some money on a goofy TV show, then started investing.

You were an investing, made a bunch of money, had an encounter with Jesus, and now we both used those resources, you know, to further the cost. I like that phrase, the hollow golden egg. That's a pretty interesting.

To me, it's a powerful testimony. And look, do we not need guys like that in his world? No doubt. Who are sharing Jesus on a daily basis. Yeah. So I was inspired by it, so a couple days went by,

And I thought, this is my guy. This is my guy that I share what I'm doing, every detail, and say, okay, am I wrong here? Am I crazy? And so it took me like two hours to craft my email. Everything I've learned about the stock market, how I approach things, you know, my analogy about my poker playing skills applied. I just laid it all out there. Because I've made it clear, look, what we have in common is that we have Jesus at the top of the priority list. That's the only reason I'm sharing this with you.

But now that we understand that, am I crazy here? I mean, I wanted him to say, you need to sell everything right now and stop doing what you're doing. But he actually responded immediately, which was incredible. But the thing he said was, he said, here's why you've been successful. He said, he gave two reasons. He said, number one, since your priorities are right, the money means nothing, therefore you're not fearful or greedy. I was like, you're right.

I'm not making bad decisions based on the lack of money because I know money doesn't bring happiness. It's just a game. I like the game. He said, number two, he said, you've made the complex simple. Which is what we do. Because it is complex when you look at the stop. I mean, even the conversations we had.

He said, but you made it simple. If you can have a simple formula and you can keep fear and greed out of it, you can be successful. So according to this guy, you're not crazy. I'm not crazy. And he had, yeah. So I was feeling really good about that. The second encounter I have, once I get over,

a jelt lines up a golf game. Of course, I didn't bring my club. because I looked at the weather, and for some reason, it pulled up a week ahead, and I was seeing eight degrees. You said this week. I was saying this week, which we were talking about this earlier. Yeah.

I mean, global warming, I think right now it's 38 below in Montana. Yeah. Global warming. And it's going to be single digits here, which is for the first time since when, since I was in high school. so 40 years ago. Yeah, they said it was cold in 1951.

It's been a while. So look, I go, and I don't have my clubs, I don't have my shoes. Look, I don't have, the only pants I had there, because I thought I had some clothes there since I lived there. All I had was camo pants, which I thought that's fine, because they look, I mean, these things cost $150. Yeah. So that'll be fine. and I did have a collared shirt and so

Jeff's like oh that's fine we'll get you we pull up there Jeff had some clubs that he let me use the guy we were playing with said I'll buy you some shoes I mean it's the least I can do

because I was going to play on what I have and he's like no I'll buy you some shoes let me do that for you I was like oh great here's my size and so I walk about 30 yards and then I see the crowd gathers, there's whispering. And so the guy we're playing with, who's a member at this place, he comes over and he says,

you can't wear those pants. I was like, well, the alternative is playing my underwear. And that's not good for anybody. Although if you had Tommy Josh, you could not believe that I showed up at a golf court. I've heard of no denim, but no camo? I mean. So you go to play. Yeah.

And you've intermingling with people of like-mindedness. And the first thing to tell you was we'll buy you some shoes and a pair of pants. Yeah. I'm, that's beyond, I don't live in that world. Let's face it, Jay, some people just don't belong. I thought it was funny. So he bought you a pair of pants. No, you know what he did?

He gave me his rain pants. He said, I got an idea. And I put his rain pants. Over your camera. over my camo and then they're like, you're good now. And then I thought, there's a spiritual application here that's not right. Trying to hit a little ball into a hole about like that. Why would someone care the configuration of the pants you had on, the color?

You think that's something, Phil? We're on hole two, and a guy drives by and says, hey, sir. I said, hey, because I was looking down to see if, make sure my camo was. was that showing and he said you need to tuck your shirt in which it was tucked in but it's like one piece in the back and they wonder why i've never played around the golf that's one of the man jays i mean i've seen some pretty strict this is what was bad that's pretty bad it was like when willie was playing augusta with was it ozzy smith maybe or something crazy but anyway he's out there where she's got his bandana on because you know he's trying to play up his look you know

not allowed so somebody comes out on it he said he was on number two and somebody drives out there and they're like sir and they gave him the hat you know and he was like oh i appreciate that and they were like uh there's no bandana's at augustin national how embarrassing is it so when this thing you're like oh they brought me a hat it's like sir you need to get that bad you know i've never played around the golf and now i'm i'm full of you know what dad dad i don't think you're country club material so i'm fixing to help you with this phil so i'm riding with a guy that I had only met once, and he was the member.

And something the cart girl pulled up, and I've said many times. What is that? Well, there's a cart girl that brings adult beverages. Because you got to remember. She brings all beverages, but she does. So there's not a cart boy. No, they're always a girl.

No, I don't think I've ever seen a car boy. They're always a girl, and they're always pretty. Yeah. Almost over. I don't know if I've noticed that. But here's what, well, you got to remember, Phil, most, no, I don't know about most. A lot of people, they're not going out there to play golf. They're going out there to get drunk.

And golf is kind of the backdrop. I mean, they're making probably way more money. Now we're getting down to the gist of what I've been thinking about. So even though, I believe I have the, you know, freedom to drink. You know, Jesus turned watered wine had a reputation of being a glutton and drunkard, you know, take a little wine for your stomach illness. I don't drink in those settings usually because I don't know. I didn't know everybody in our group.

And, you know, I don't know if somebody's had a problem with that. So I'm like, if they need a buddy or whatever, I just, I don't do it. I drink water and tea and move on. And I'm fine with that. So when he said, let me get you a drink, because these guys were trying to show us a good time. I was like, no, you know. He's bought your shoes. He bought me some shoes and then offered me to buy me a drink.

I was like, you know, I just. You have his pants on. Yeah. All you need now is a liquor on. the cart girl. And the cart girl was like dropping F bombs, which was kind of embarrassing.

But, yeah. And so I made a little comment about Jesus because I thought, you know, when I'm in these settings, I just I want to have these moments where in a non-threatening way, I let people know

where I stand. You're a Jesus guy. And that's why I said. The first Jesus bomb was this little deal of the stock thing. This was more about this idea of drinking because look look where the conversation led so we didn't you know we didn't get it we got waters or whatever and so he said you know i've uh he said i got three kids and he said my kids and he told me the ages they were like 22 20 and 17 which is about what my kids are yeah and he said they've never drank and i was like really and i'm i'm not sure if he's a believer

or what you know i mean i just getting another this guy and I said, well, how do you know? He said, oh, I know. He said, well, I made a deal with him. And this guy had plenty of money. Obviously, he's buying me, you know, $200 shoes going out of him. He said, I made a deal. I wanted to get y'all's opinion on this.

He said, I told them if they would wait until they were 30 before they drank, I would give them $100,000. I said, really? He said, yep. And he said, it's become a conversation piece because it allowed their friends to let them off the hook of peer pressure. Because look, here was the other thing. He said, I'll give you $100,000.

Well, his dad, which is their grandpa, said, I'll match it. So then it's $200,000. That's pretty good motivation. It is. He said, and so my two girls are never worried about it. He said, but my son, I thought, hmm, you know, because one of your kids usually if you have at least three. But he said, you know, they come home, he talks about the situation, and he's excited about waiting. And I was like, well, why did you do that?

What brought this on? Because I thought he might say, well, you know, I came to the Lord. He's like, well, I look back on my life, and pretty much every really, really bad decision I made, alcohol was involved up until I was 30. And I really thought this was a good idea. I thought I wish, now, I couldn't have told my kids that because I would have thought having $100,000. I would have said probably a thousand? A thousand?

Which probably wouldn't have been motivation or not. Let's take a brief. But it made me think, one, do you all think that's a good idea? You know. Inside of Jesus, outside of Jesus. Is that a good idea? Well, it sounds like. it probably worked.

Having been a drinker and a drunk myself in my earlier years, I would have used that as I did with y'all as a motivation. Don't do that. Yeah. Nothing good came out of that. All bad. Right. So around here, no drunkenness.

But what about, what's weird is I made a decision not to drink until I was 30. And I didn't, nobody told me that. Nobody offered me any money. It would show them that, and probably because, of that. Once the money changed hands, when the day came, we're okay, you're now 30 years old, the 30th birthday, here's the 100 grand, and here's the 100 grand, the Papa backed up, invest it well and all that. I would think that wouldn't make you go out and get drunk. No, because by now, but even if you did drink, he's right, you know, when you're older,

there's a lot more responsibility, usually in moderation. He's right in the sense that most people from teenage to 20s without alcohol. Well, why do you really do it? It's not like it's the greatest, and it's an acquired taste, let's face it. I mean, when I was 30, I remember taking my first sip, and I thought, well, this is terrible.

And that was my first thought. I thought, why would you do this on purpose? This is awful. Because I thought this is just Dr. Tishner's, that's cool. They made Dr. Tishner's chilled. That's what it felt like to me, because I just didn't know.

But I did it because of your past and all, even pre-Jesus And then as I learned and studied, I was like, probably best to do. But it made me think of something funny. It's like, now here, here we are. Are we all over 50? Dang, we're getting old. Me and you are.

Willie gets it hits it this year. Because I heard this guy talking about, you know, now the commercials, a lot of these late-night commercials, they're speaking to people like us. Like used to, I didn't know what the phrase low T. I didn't know what that meant. But now when you get over 50 or even 40, I think they're, are you over 40 and are experiencing, you know, fatigue and, you know, and you just don't have energy. He started checking your list. What are they saying?

Go get drunk. You'll get it all. No, no. No, they're saying they can boost your testosterone. Low T testosterone. I just thought about this because I thought, well, if you're looking at it through that same vein, think how many bad. decisions you make because of high testosterone. The same thing applies.

And now, when you get over 40 or 50 and you calm down, because I guess that's the way God did it. Now they're saying, here you go. Ramp it back up. That's why when the Viagra came out, everybody was like, yeah, until old guys started dying by the hundreds. They didn't realize it was time to move on. So I think you've got to know when to say, you know, with my point.

And I'm rabble, but the third little Jesus moment I had was that night after I played golf, and I'm there seeing my wife. So I come home because she told me, go play golf. That's why I went. I didn't have any of that stuff, but she said, go play because I have a neighborhood women's Bible study. I was like, okay, really. And so, and she did, and I came home when she was outside, and there's these seven women, and they're studying the Bible.

I mean, just, I guess in the coronavirus, and with everything going on, and these are not, not all of these people are Jesus believing people. She just basically has, while she's been there, because she's there more than me, sought out women and just invited them to her house, and they, they go through the Bible. And, you know, people were attracted. It was, I thought, you know, here I am in Yuppie Vale. And just seeing that picture driving in, seeing my wife do that, I was like, number one, I thought, I love this woman. And I like what she's doing here,

despite all the opposition for her to try to share Jesus in this setting, in this time, in our culture. It just was awesome to me, you know. And so I had a funny story. They were outside, you know, and they had a fire going. Well, we had practiced that fire. We've lived there for a few months, but we never, you know, it doesn't get that cold and awesome. Right.

And so she said, look, I got people coming over, and I had brought some wood from home in the back of my truck six hours. So I've stacked all the wood. She's like, get the fire going, and let's make sure this works because we haven't turned us on. Well, guys look at this thing. as a fireplace. They had some kind of gas line hooked up to it. I thought, well, it's some kind of yuppie fireplace. They have a little tool.

There was a tool laying in it. I was like, I guess this is how you turn the gas on. So I was figuring it all out. Well, the gas, the way you turn it on was on the other side of the fireplace. And so I thought, I can't turn this on and light it at the same time. You had to literally walk around the side of the fireplace. I mean, I was like, I can't reach. So I hollered in Missy, and she's like, I thought you were going to handle it.

I was like, I can't turn the gas on and light it at the same time. So light, she had one of those clicker lighters. I said, and I'll turn the gas on. That was the plan. I'm not kidding. She lit the thing, and I had the tool, put it down. When I turned that on, I heard, and there was a, four-foot wall of flame

that blew her back. And she looked at me like, put me out. And I thought, what you? I just blew up my wife. Because it was loud. It was like Christmas vacation when Uncle Lewis. I'm not embellishing.

It terrified her. And it terrified me. I mean, I thought there's no peach fuzz. There's no eyelids. Because it was just a wall of flames coming out. And I thought, what kind of yuppie? design this so you had never

lit it before is that why it was just I don't know I mean because she got it lit that night but I said here's what you do take a piece of paper or something

yeah set it on fire stick it in there then go around now I understand why you need a wall when you're turning the gas on

because he didn't know it was a flame throw I mean, Al, it scared me. I would simply say, after hearing it and just bits and pieces coming worth listening to, I would just say drunkenness or gas can become very volatile and dangerous. I really wasn't making a connection about that. I was making it a connection that we're in the book of acts. I know it took me a long time to get here.

But what I was saying is there's acts of God through you, and in this case, through my wife. I think that thing on the golf course, we get into a conversation. Those conversations are very rarely happening on a golf course, is what I was getting at, where Jesus comes up in that setting. In the stock world, that is the first time I've ever heard a successful, really mega-willful. wealthy person say yeah success is great but significance in Jesus is way better. Basically the Bible has plenty of warnings about alcohol and any kind of and wealth. Yeah, and wealth. There's a lot of things you can get into and it just it takes over and you

become a slave to it. Well then you got some problems. Well, it's like anything that's anything that's Anything that's driving your bus that ain't Jesus is driving you in the wrong direction. My point is whether it's our culture, I mean, we're in Acts 5. I mean, y'all went over Acts 5 when I was gone. But you see, they're going around helping people on a daily basis, and they're sharing Jesus. And in Acts 5, people take them as a threat and put them in public jail because of what they're doing that that that's like my wife having this Bible study and somebody pulling up and arresting her yep and putting her in jail because you're trying to help these women and share Jesus at the

current trajectory of our country you might run into the same thing oh I think it's over I think it's definitely probably coming let's take another break so jes yeah so so so we went dad and I went solo Zach was supposed to uh he was supposed to zoom in but he was having some internet trouble we pretty much did a little expository deal on act five but i want to get your take on it because um you the last time you were with us you said something about gamao you had it somebody yeah i did a lesson one time which is if this would be a good lesson have you already preached are y'all passed act five um you need to throw this one out here here here's here's an outline well this is yeah we're actually to act six i'd like to take credit for this

but it's actually, I just read it. But I did find it significant, because I don't believe in a lot of coincidences when it comes to the way the Word of God was composed. You know, Acts 5, you have this scary story about people trying to impress people instead of God, and they lied to them, but he actually said, you lied to God.

That's in Acts 5, Anonis and Safarra, when it says, you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land. Did it belong to you before it was sold and after it was sold? Wasn't at your disposal.

So you had the freedom to do what you wanted to, but you instead tried to create an image. And the bottom phrase is they tried to impress people instead of impressing God. Well, then you get to Acts 5, and they're out here, doing good things.

I think the summation of it in chapter 5 they were healing people in verse 12 through and driving out evil spirit you know in Jesus they were declaring the message of Jesus

and then you get to five let's see 29 Peter and the other apostles replied because they said you know remember they put them in jail then you had this weird moment I don't know if y'all talked about this where the angel unlocks the door,

they leave, then the angel closes the door. So they show up, there's no people there. They've escaped. We have a prison escape. Well, the next day, you're thinking they're going to be a million miles away.

No, they're out there still sharing Jesus. Because that's what the angel told them to do. Nobody in the history of prison escapes would go to the public square and do the very thing that you just got put in jail for. And so then they're like, but we can't do anything because we're fearful of the people. Well, then they say the opposite of what Anonis and Safar said, which is Peter in verse 29,

we must obey God rather than men. It's the same kind of lingo. You say why? Because they were trying to impress God over impressing men. Now, to get back to what I brought up about the drinking thing and when you're, you know, 15 and 20 years old, and you make these bad decisions or even 14. Think about why a 13-year-old boy at a party, why is he drinking?

Why does he start drinking at 13 at a party with his friends? He's trying to fit in. He's trying to impress his friends. Pure pressure. Yeah. You say, well, what's the answer? If he was more concerned about impressing God than people, he would probably make better decisions.

Even though he has the freedom to do that, we know he doesn't have the maturity to probably stop because you reach a line where drunkenness is involved and then you're getting into these bad decisions that occurred because of that, which is God knows what he's doing. So then that's two. So you have impressing men rather than God and you see the consequences of that. They lied and they died. They had an ice fire. Here you have men who God is working with who's supernaturally breaking them out of prison and taking care of.

them because these men are trying to impress God more than men, and they're giving men the way to impress God. And this was the job they were told to do immediately after the resurrection of Jesus. Go make disciples. They didn't know exactly how they were going to do that. You baptize them. And you wait right here. Then the Spirit comes.

But they're only doing their job. Right. That's all they're doing. They're not going beyond it. They have a job to do. do. They've been told, Jesus told them, step by step, the kingdom comes, and they're all fired up, and they're speaking in tongues and never even heard of before they thought, boy, we own to something here. Well, Phil, I think we got the same job. And they won't, well, we do. Then they won't

stop. Well, look, and the reason why they're, one of the reasons why they're so fearless is because one, they did see a raise Jesus. So now you're thinking, okay, you can't kill us. Think about, they've seen and heard a lot what 99% of 99.something% of the human beings at that time did not hear nor see what they did. And then they get thrown into jail. They're convinced and convicted at the same time, which is a good place to be. When an angel shows up and says, hey, boys, I'm going to open this up and just go back out and do what you're doing. Then you're like, we can't be killed and we can't be locked up. That's right. Of course. This was the original. pardon the interruption moment.

That's right. Wait a minute. Here you go. That's right. So then they go back out to public. You know, you have angels coming down the cell block. You're looking up and they just appear. And they're like, don't worry about this.

Look, I'm going to let you out. Don't worry about these people. And they just kind of usher you out. Well, you think, you know what? We're invincible. Well, and now, look, they've, made the governing authorities so mad now, because now they're embarrassed.

Number one, they couldn't keep them locked up, and number two, they're doing the exact opposite of what they told them to do. So Gamalil speaks up because of this, he sees what's going on. And to me, I don't know why this seems like kind of redneck philosophy. I mean, to me, it just seems kind of like a Middle Eastern tombstorm moment, you know, when he said, now wait a minute, we ain't saying you can't have guns.

We're just saying you can't do it in town. And it kind of feels like that to me. It's like, just don't do this in public. Let them take off. The last two times these movements came up. These guys died that end of the movement. And then he makes, which would be the third point, because you got, don't try to impress man in front of God.

then you have the other side where people are out there trying to impress God, share Jesus. Then he comes up with this philosophy in 39. But if it is from God, well, the first part is in 38, the second part where it says their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men. You only find yourselves fighting against God. I just think it's crazy that in these.

these moments, you have these three contrasts of men and God, which was my three points of the sermon. And here you have your plans. Are they from human origin or a godly origin? Do you believe that our purpose is from man's origin or God's origin? If you just answer those two questions, that'll help you. And then the third thing is, are you fighting God? Are you resisting God?

His move. Or trying to, you know, who are you fighting? Who are you fighting against? Which, I mean, I thought about this in our culture, even applying it to something like the storm in the Capitol, you know, January 6th. Because here, we all, we spoke out about that, saying, well, that's not how we go about fighting. we the weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world we're saying share jesus changed the heart okay but here we have a revoke because i'm thinking if god really wants this to happen you're not you're not going to stop it at all not even if you lock them up in jail because i that that's nothing here but then

what what makes me see our challenge more is you know it's fine we said we wouldn't do that And now we're weeks away from that, and now they're trying to impeach the president, just coming up with this, well, you incited the riot by your speech, which is contrary to everything we believe in. You know, if you're a student and a teacher says something, and you go do something stupid,

they're not going to take the teacher and put them in jail. They're not going to relieve her of her duty, a preacher, saint-politic. It's just, I mean, it's asinine for me to think people would actually go down this road. And so I look at it. My point is, what do we as Christians do? We do the same thing they did.

They used all this cultural background and mayhem. Because you think about it, it's one thing to read this as a story, but if you were actually in jail for doing that and then you magically got out, if that's what you were taking it at, very few people would go, I mean, they'd be like,

I've got a family here. I got, I mean, this, was cool, but they locked me up for the, I would never do what they did. So to me, if you want to break the rules, you know, do it in declaring Jesus. Because to me, if God is for it, they're not going to be able to stop you. I mean, it's not going to be stopped if Jesus is at the center. They were rejoicing in verse 41, the apostles, because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the name. Day after day in the temple courts from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. Well, you know what's awesome, Phil?

It was riding on the kingdom was riding on the backs of normal fishermen who had turned to Jesus a few years earlier and the whole kingdom of God was brought forth by these these unschooled, uneducated man. Yeah. Pretty, pretty weird. The title of my lesson was never stopped. Yep. Which was the last verse.

They never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is your Christ. So that's why I brought that up about our culture. It's because everybody gets bent out of shape on both sides. But I'm like, compared to what we do in declaring Jesus, that's what we don't stop doing. That is the ultimate weapon of love and purpose that we believe is from God. And if it is the origin of God, they're not going to be able to stop that. They're not going to be able to stop us, even if we die. Somebody else will pick up the banner of declaring Jesus.

And that's, I mean, I just think it says that in those three principles. I like it too, Jays, because it's another, you know, the other day we were talking about the thing. Remember that verse with the things? remember we said that's what we need to start doing t-shirt here's another one the name the capitalized in the scripture the name the movement it was just the name that's all you need is the name that that could call us the name the name that's exactly right yep with the capitalized so to your point a minute ago i thought which i thought was good about the illustration about the capital um i heard uh this past week somewhere i guess it was on the i was listening to radio and

Michelle Bachman. Remember her? It used to be a congresswoman from Minnesota. She hadn't been for a few years. But she's still kind of, you know, in the political world. Super Lady, we've all met her. I don't know if you've met her, but Dad and I've met her. She was from Minnesota. We've met her before. Anyway,

she's a big time believer. But she was telling the story. She was in the Capitol that day. And it was funny because I was thinking, well, she's not even a congresswoman anymore. But she had gone there. She was in the the chaplain's office. She had gone there to pray. And I guess because she's a former

Congresswoman, I guess she could, you know, could get invited, whatever. And so she was in there praying when the thing went down. Crazy. And she was talking about that. She said, because, you know, this was an important day. And I wanted to be covering this in prayer, you know, this decision that was going forward. And so then she gets trapped in there for five hours, you know, until they can get out. But she was talking about how she said, but it, she said, you talk about strength in your prayer lives she said i went there for the right purpose then the old thing started hearing stuff going on she said i got intense with my prayer what what makes us mad though and look i understand and the reason i made brought all this up is because no matter how mad you you're

you get over this you got to remember the big picture and what we're doing in jesus that's that's truly the purpose this from god and you say what what do you mean by making man because now the other side they're making this look like, I've heard people compare to what happened to January 6th, to Pearl Harbor, to what the Rwanda genocide,

9-11. And when you look at the facts, which is that, okay, five people died, and they say, you know, armed,

trying to attack democracy and these armed people, when you look at the five people that died, all five were Trump supporters, including the cops. Yeah, officer who was unfortunately killed with a fire extinguisher.

No, they've debunked that now. Well, that didn't even happen. They don't know what killed it. And like two of them died of a heart attack. You know, one of them was coming through a window, a woman and was shot. She was unarmed. And so when you start looking to that and you're like, no, wait a minute here, we've already said that is not the way to attack.

That was dumb. We were on the record being against riots all summer, all year. But for you to have story after story that this, well, Trump incited his people and they made an attack on now. Whatever it was, you had hundreds of thousands of people and a few of them went, I would say most of them unarmed. And you get this many people jockeying back and forth. And unfortunately, heart attacks happened and things happened. and it wasn't right. But to characterize this as a narrative from an anti-God viewpoint and anti-conservative

that this was some kind of organized march on democracy compared to Pearl Harbor and nations where genocide happened, that's ridiculous. It actually makes me angry. Because I'm like, now you're just trying to turn a narrative in that fits your agenda. For political game. And we're going backwards. We're all going backwards. You're trying to impeach someone that's no longer president.

Plus, they did the same thing leading up to the election. Exactly. They burned, looted. They were at the White House. They were right. It looked a little more dangerous to me. Well, you know what? They did the same thing.

Let's take one last break. You mentioned that, Dad. And I have not heard this brought up any media-wise. but, you know, 60 secret service agents were injured when they went after the White House that one time back in the summer. 60 of them. I mean, some of them hurt pretty bad. Nobody got killed. But I'm saying, like to Jason's point, they're acting like now, these Capitol Police, I mean, just, you know, like it was just nothing's ever been done like this ever.

I mean, it's so ridiculous. The point is, no matter what the cultural or political backdrop is. what was going on in Acts 5 is similar. We got rights, we got people mad, they're throwing people in jail. But there was one thing here that I don't see much now, which is the declaration that Jesus Christ is Lord. I wanted to bring this up because before we,

before we end, because I think there was a word here that's really, rarely used in the new tel. I think it's used twice maybe. But in verse of chapter 5 in verse 29, where it says, we must obey God rather than man, when he says the God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree, which goes to my point that this is what it was all about to declare this. The prison break, the people getting upset, getting that message out. God exalted him to his own right hand, and here's the phrase that's rarely used in the Bible, as prince and savior that he may give repentance and forgives sins to Israel.

And I thought about why would he use prince there? Because it's in their minds royalty and who runs the government and who are the more important people. And it's like kind of in all this cultural chaos that he was going through. He's like, you want a prince? I'll give you a prince. It was a carpenter who you killed, but he came back from the dead. That makes him way more valuable and royal than anything you got in. I think it was just a little jab by referring him as a prince in this setting where they just had a jail break from one of the prince's angels, by the way.

And you told us to stop, but we're not stopping. That's right. And then later on you'll see, well, they'll say, well, we'll kill you. And they're like, go ahead. By the way, the king of the kingdom here 2,000 years ago, now 2,000 years later, and all before throughout the Old Testament and anywhere you want to go. The king of the kingdom rules with an iron hand worldwide. He still is the ruler of the heavens and the earth.

Well, and it does show you Jesus'... humility. We've talked about this a lot because at times he's called the king himself. Then also in this case, he's the prince, the son of the king. But he has no issue with all those roles. I mean, he has no issue being human. He's like, that's why I came here so that you would have an exact representation of what was needed in heaven. So I do think it shows his humility. This was a glimpse of the kingdom of God and who they are and what their message was for all time. Right. You see what I'm saying?

Oh, exactly. Never going to change. I love that text in Philippians too. Verse 5, your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, who being in very nature, God, did not consider equality with God, something to be grass. In other words, to stay where he was, which was infinitely better, right for him, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness, becoming a human being. And then being glorified, and then, of course, it says, being found an appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross.

And here's your thing you just read, Jay. Therefore, God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name. Yep. So Paul is referring back to that idea about the name, you know, in Jesus, which is powerful. I just think we miss out on the having God on your side in time. And it goes back to what Gamalel said. when he said if God, if this, if the origin is from God, you're not going to stop it. You'll just find yourself fighting against God.

We have to realize that these conversations are going to come up, whether it's woking or counseling or persecution or uncomfortable, you're going to want to get in this political world and give your takes without getting into Jesus. Right. But when you do that, you missed it. Right. Because then Gamalel is right. If it's just some, if the origin of this is some kind of political party movement,

or we feel like we've been wrong. Just one more ideology. Yeah, the election was stolen. And I wanted to make a point because I wanted to read Hebrews 12 too. This is kind of deep, but I'll get your opinions on it. When the Hebrew writer said, let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author of our faith. but there's a word in between there because we tend to think,

okay, my faith started, I got that, I'm in. But it says the author and perfector of our faith. And when I looked up that word perfector, it was the word they used for captain, and you may have trouble making that connection, but it's like not only did he give you faith by what he did on a cross and a resurrection, but it's and perfector of our faith. It's like the author, which I thought about Prince,

and the captain. We're on a ship. He's leading the ship, and we're having these moments, these Jesus encounters as we go through. I think it's legitimate that there's two different words there. One of them is the origin, and the second one seems to be.

ongoing. The ongoing aspect of your life. If you think about the, that's the word Paul used, I don't know about the Greek word, but that's the word that's in the English at the end of Second Corinthians when he was talking about his thorn in the flesh. Remember he said, Christ's power is made perfect in my weakness. In other words, my inability to do it myself, I have to rely on him the perfector of my faith.

Exactly. So that same concept is there. And to validate that, the second part of that verse, Hebrews 12 says, who for the joy set before him, endure the cross, scorn and shame. Well, there's the author. That's where your faith started, no doubt about it, on a bloody cross. And sat down at the right hand of the throne of God, which I believe is the perfector, which is where he's at now.

He's representing us in heaven, and we're representing him on earth. So it's the author and perfect. He's the captain of the thing. And he will never be destroyed. That's exactly right. So, Jay's my shirt here, Overcomer. First Shine 5'4. Yours is Faith Over Fear.

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