Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 227 | Phil Robertson Gets an Unexpected Visit from the Pope's Emissary & Jase Makes a Big Mistake | Ep 227

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

Phil talks with a brain surgeon, an emissary of the pope, and an atheist — all in one week. You know we live in trying times when Dr. Ben Carson requests a meeting with a redneck duck-call maker. Phil also describes his unexpected visit from a representative of Pope Francis, and Jase thinks the guy must have drawn the short straw. Phil shares his Gospel symbols with the emissary, signs a duck call for the pope, and makes a quick video tutorial to show him how to use it. Meanwhile, Jase is the target of a strange accusation and makes a big mistake when looking for a church to attend in Texas.  -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, you had an interesting visitor this week. You know, you're at the end of the road. I've always found this fascinating. Literally, you're at the end of the road surrounded three sides by water. That's right. And now, because of the show, Duck Dynasty, you also have a gate because they condemn the last quarter mile of the road. So you're at the end of the road, surrounded by water, with a gate and yet you have the most interesting guests that somehow continue to come to it's almost like the almighty just send you people i don't know it's a weird it's always been that it's

it's like if you squat on it they will come they call people river you know river squatters river rats i talked to a couple of interesting gentlemen this past week uh one of them was uh the former head of the, what is it, urban housing? Oh yeah, Dr. Carson. Dr. Carson. Ben Carson. So you did a- Someone got a hold of them and said,

Dr. Carson wants to talk with him. And I thought, I said, you know, Dr. Carson, a brain surgeon. I said, when brain surgeons start consulting with redneck duck call makers, trust me when I tell you, The times are we living in trying time.

That's right. It was just like we had Carolla on, who's an atheist. Here we are Christians. And yet we're all kind of pulling together. We're very normal, consulting with some very strange individuals. Yeah, right. But Dr. Carson is a good man, good godly man. I heard y'all got to going back and forth some pretty good scriptures.

He wants to form a movement of sorts. faith, that's the first part of it, faith, freedom, community, life. Yeah. And he put those four things together and said, I would like to pursue these things for the next few years. I jokingly said, Ben, it may be that you have the possibility you might run for the next president of the United States because it's a pretty well thought out program here.

And he basically said, we'll see what the Lord says. But it's a group of individuals. I mean, think about it's hard to argue with faith, freedom, community, and life. That's sound thinking on his part. Well, so we met with him. We talked, and I don't know where that would go, but I feel like I told him I was behind him all the way and whatever endeavor.

I jokingly told him about when rednecks and brain surgeons get together, trying times there being. That's right. Well, he leaves. I mean, that was over, but then someone else came along and said, do you have time to meet with an emissary, I guess you could call him, from Pope Francis over in Italy? I thought, an emissary.

The current Pope? The current Pope. So they said the current Pope. Now I would have said right there. What I was told. This is a joke. Well, you know, the joke would be on you. So he basically, my nephew, Gimber, he said, I have a man with me.

He was sent by the Pope. The Pope, he handpicked 10 men. according to the emissary and Kimber said he picked 10 men, Pope Francis did, sent them worldwide, and just to simply carry the message of Jesus to the world. So. Why I didn't do 12? Huh? I wonder why I didn't do 12.

I don't know. I would have gone with 12, but I'm not, who am I? You're no Pope. I'm not the Pope either. And so basically... I like that, though. I like his thinking. I mean, that's a good idea.

10, 12. So he asked him about a time frame, and I said, tell you what, bring him down, you know, on Thursday at 4 o'clock whenever it was. Oh, so this happened? Yeah. This is riveting.

I don't know where this is a much see TV. I just thought, here's the opportunity. A man who's been told to go worldwide, like in the book of Acts relative to that, go. And so he's coming to you. Yeah, yeah. Jesus' final words, I mean,

before he departed and went back into heaven, go preach the gospel. All authority in heaven and on earth been given to me, therefore go make disciples of all nations and baptize them. Yeah, but you know what? The end of that phrase says and to the ends of the earth.

And so you must have been in the category. The ends. down the line of the earth. So the backstory and dad probably didn't even know this, because I talked to Gimber and told him to call you, is that this guy was in Monroe, you know, in this region. Oh, you contacted Gember.

Well, John called me, right, and told me this guy was coming, told me the story. And I was kind of like jazz. I was like, are you being for real? And he's in Louisiana, but he's in Monroe. And he's aware of the family, because he's like, he's watched the show, the emissary. And he wanted to... Oh, we're talking about the Pope or this guy? This guy, the emissary.

So he said he wants to meet somebody from the family. I said, well, we're all gone. I'm gone. I said, the only person he could probably meet was dad, because dad's just hanging out the river. Ducks season over. I said, just call dad and see if he has time to meet with. So that's how it happened.

So the meeting took place. So he was at the ends of the earth and what was in. And since I knew from what Gimbra had told me, I took a piece of paper. Let me say, I took a piece of paper. and what I did was Stay by the mic as you're doing this. If the cameraman can catch up with this

You can hold it out when you can do this. I gave the emissary. Look, they have graphics. I knew he was going worldwide. Turn it around and show it to the camera. I gave him this. God become flesh, error coming out of heaven,

died on the cross, buried in a tomb raise from the dead. The first thing I told the emissary when he entered my home, when he sat down, I said... Did he wear in a robe? Huh? Did he have a robe on?

What was he wearing? He had religious attire on. Okay, yeah. Black suit, white collar. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I thought, okay. So he sits down, and I said, since you're going worldwide,

my understanding is you've been picked by the Pope to go worldwide with nine other men. I said, you stopped in Monroe here to chat a little bit with me. I said, so... Where do you go from now? From here? What's your next stop? And I think he said, Pakistan. He named off several countries.

Oh, wow. I'm on my way to Pakistan. I said, when you get to. This guy must have got the short straw. Maybe. I'm saying, he comes to the backwoods of Louisiana. Oh, and look, we're going to lead there and go to Pakistan. Anyone with a job, as he stated it, to carry the message of Jesus to the world.

Yep. I'm in. Yeah. I'm all in. I don't care what you call you said. I agree. So as a man saying he's going to go worldwide, I said, make sure you give him this,

and I went through it with him, probably sitting down on the couch. I said, God become flesh. I said, by the way, I told the first time I ever met the just past the previous president, Donald Trump, the first thing I told him was what I'm showing you. I said, God did become flesh, right? Yeah.

I said, he died on the cross where the sins of the world was bad, and I just went through the... Did he seem intrigued when you were going through it? I mean, what did? Did he have a title? What was his title sent out? Gimmer was calling him the Pope, since he was one of the Pope's men. The emissary of the Pope.

Emissary of the Pope. It's what I gathered from it, but you like to check it, whatever. Because some of this stuff made it on the Internet, because he, after I showed him, make sure you do this. And he said, I do not disagree with anything you're saying, Mr. Robinson. It is glad that you stand on that message there. He said, we say in the same thing, but I may be using some different wordage. I was thinking, some Latin maybe.

I was thinking what kind of words would you use differently. Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead. Well, the semantics. The semantics. So I thought, well, so I showed him that. And I said, you know, we need to teach our people to, don't think that they're going to church once they come to Jesus, put their faith in this message that he did come in flesh.

He died, was buried and raised from the dead. It is the gospel. He's at the right hand of God interceding for us. So I gave him the big picture from my viewpoint, which was pretty plain and pretty simple and hard to get around. I alluded to the book of Acts where we are now. We're still doing the same thing that was our task. he got up off the couch and said the popes had them in his hand and gave me these two crosses

and he had a couple crosses they were silver colored i get them i probably were silver but he just handed me two crosses he said the pope gave these to me to give to you and he said he would like the pope a duck call and i said well I said, and he said, but I would like, I would like to know what he's receiving. What, what, what is that call? What, what exactly we're doing here? And I said, well, I said, I walked over, I reached over and got it off my rack next to my weapon. And my duck calls are all in one spot there, you know.

So you took one of your duck calls off here. I had my Bible, my AR-15, and my duck calls waiting on the Pope. So I'm sitting there and I thought, well, I said, here's a mallard hen. that I learned how to do. I blew the Mallard Hen call. I blew the teal call. I sounded like a whittgen for him and a pintail and a gadwall. And I showed him these various ducks that we had made over the years.

He brought his cell phone out. He said, would you do that for me, for my niece? And he told me his niece. I forgot her name because she would love to hear from you, too. And I'm sure the Pope will really appreciate the duck call if you'll sign it for him. So I signed him a duck call, showed him how to use it in case he was duck hunting over in Italy. And so I sent him that. So I did a little blurb with the Pope.

He had the cell phone up like that and watching me call ducks. And I said, one thing you can learn why you're on planet Earth, why you're bringing the message out to the people, is that if you learn how to sound like birds, you might become a millionaire. It's just a thought. So I gave him that information that it pays. Was this guy an American?

Or is he? Oh, he was American. Yeah, he told me he's from the Midwest, maybe, Missouri or whatever. Yeah. And been handpicked by the Pope. I just gave him a charge when he went forth, preached the gospel, stand on it, don't budge. And you gave him a duck call demonstration.

Gave him a duck call a demonstration. And told them to tell your people, whether Pakistani or whoever, when they come to Jesus, tell them that they don't, going to church is really not the way they should think. They should think in terms of, I change my lifestyle and I offer myself as a living sacrifice. And he said something like Romans 12. I said, yeah, Romans 12. Put that into practice. Man, I wish I would have been in on this conversation.

Because look, you know who they have doing their commercials, Lou Holt? football guy. He does that Catholic commercial. There's one part of it, I just, I cringe every time he says it. I mean, he goes, he talks about the sacrament and confession, and we are saving you a seat, you know, Sunday morning on the bench and getting the game. But then he says, the goal, because he's like, we evangelize Jesus, but he's like, this will, you know, getting in the game will keep your eye on the goal. and then he says, and the goal is heaven.

That sounds good. But I'm like, well, the goal is Jesus. I mean, I wish they would change that. You know, I want to go to heaven because I don't be with Jesus. You got to remember something. What? I was not attempting. No, I know.

I was not attempting. I was chasing a rabbit. I was not attempting to get into semantics. Right. About all. Which is my point. Look, look, I love the. man for taking Jesus to the world.

Yeah. I love the Pope for sinning him. That's right. They're on our side. They're not against us. They're far as. So I'm just saying, I just gave him a charge in redneck language, gave him a little charge and a stand on the gospel, my man, go forth. Now let's talk about these silver

cross. Hang on, hang on this. Let's take a break. Well, he handed me the crosses and told me, he said, how big were these things? The Pope went from his hand to my hand. I don't know what that meant, but he said, he handed me there. He said, give him these. Do you think it was like solid silver or silver plate? You know, I'm not a...

I need to look at this. Not an oligical, you know, I wouldn't know. But I'm just saying one of the brothers up there who... If you were Catholic, who had a Catholic background, he's jumping up and down. That's what I was saying... He told somebody to tell him he to tell Robinson, you can't make this stuff up. Well, I was going to mention this. There's a family that has been with us for a long time.

And so they're all grew up. They're a very strong Catholic family. But through the years, we've been able to teach them some more in depth, you know, had the opportunity. And they still have held on to their family, you know, being Catholic, but at the same time, they meet with us sometimes. But anyway, I was saying by them because to a Catholic, because my son-in-law comes from a Catholic family as well, my youngest.

And, you know, to them, if it comes from the Pope, it's a big deal. I mean, like, it's a, to you and I were just kind of, you know, we're not Catholic, so it doesn't mean that much to us. Well, you say that, but I remember one time Phil had a Catholic Bible, and the first, I think there was a section, and you may remember this better than me. It's like what we believe, and this was like 300, I think, A.D. Remember that? There was a quote. That paragraph that says, this was our declaration of faith or what we believe in 300. Yeah. It's amazing how much that has evolved.

Yeah. From what it was. I mean, because what I read in that paragraph was pretty much Acts Chapter 2. Yeah. It was a reworded Acts Chapter 2. You have to remember, my approach was simple. The opportunity was there. The man was fixed to go worldwide.

I was just giving him a charge to pre-year. Preach the Gospel. Yeah. Book of Acts. You did. You handled it. Well, that's my point. I'm saying no matter how much time.

I mean, I don't care who's going forth and who's. Yeah. I just wanted him to the name of Jesus, take it worldwide, going into Pakistan, loaded with, you know, Muhammad and whatever, and all kinds of doctrines out there. So I appreciate anybody, take it going forth. So I think the Pope did a good deal. Yeah. He appointed some guys to go forth. Did you think to tell the.

Did you think to tell the guy that we'd been to the Vatican that you filmed there? I told him. I said, we met outside in the main courtyard. St. Peter's. I said, we visited. He said, you visited there. I said, I visited there. It was impressive to see.

They had statues of Peter and Paul and all of them. We went to the place supposedly where Paul was beheaded. I was trying to let him know that we all together, we meaning, the people who have bowed their knee to Jesus, the Son of God. And what he did, what he's now doing and what he will do. I'm all in with anybody who goes forth with the message of the cross and the resurrection. And I think we've seen it, and we've seen in our culture, just in your lifetime, what's happened if you turn on each other,

people and get... Ostracize everybody that doesn't agree with every minute detail in the Bible. That's right. We already have some many groups. I was just simply trying to say, let's all get together. And this is a great time to talk to you. Let's stand on the gospel. Let's preach that.

And if and until there's a mass repentance and people do buy their need of Jesus, I said if they decide not to do that, I said, these empires, I think your name is Jim, I said, Jim, these empires, as you've noted, they all rise and they all fall, in my opinion, on their view or lack of their view of God, the God of heaven. That's what brings them down. And that's what's bringing this one down if we're not careful. God gave us the message of reconciliation. That is correct.

We ought to be about bringing people together. A lot of people who would say, well, were you doing talking to them? Because they have a different name and they have creeds. I told him, I said, be short on the creeds and church doctrine, Jim, and be long on Jesus' death on a cross bearer he said he's like can I have that I said you sure can I gave it to him and he said I'm going to remember this mr. Robinson I said I think you did good Phil to if somebody's sent out and he's he's out trying to make the world a better place give him give him some bullets that only you would think like that I think that was you did

I didn't ask that that meeting happened I just agreed to have the meeting and look back on it. I love the guy, and he's going forth. And think about it, Al. You jump into, you start jumping into Pakistan and some of these countries. Oh, yeah. It's a dangerous journey he's on. Yeah. And, well, you know what you did that? So, so I'm working on a sermon for Sunday. It may be next Sunday because of the weather, but from Acts 18 to jump ahead a little bit, you did basically, remember the couple, Priscilla and Aquila? Yep. And this, this guy comes in, Apollos and he's very talented, but he had only known about John's baptism. He didn't really... He taught about Jesus accurately, though he only knew the baptism of John. Right, because he didn't,

he didn't know yet about the things were a little bit different. What about the ones who had John's baptism, but the day of Pentecost, where the spirit was not given with John's baptism. Exactly. He's given now. Well, it's an important point. So this couple took it upon themselves. They went to the synagogue. They're hearing this guy teach, and they're like, man, this guy is amazing. He's doing great. But they noticed he didn't know everything yet. So they said, hey, why don't you come over to the house? We'll fix your little meal. And the Bible says they taught him the way more adequately.

They just gave him a little bump. But here's something you don't know to do that. It reminds me of exactly what you did. Yeah. The Bible. Wow. He listed like five things that were, where's that at? 18.

18. Yeah, the list is incredible. He says he was a learned man. That was in 1824. He said he was a learned man. So it wasn't that he was just unintelligent. Yeah. That's right.

Smart guy. Smart guy. Educated. With a thorough knowledge of the scriptures. Which would be the Old Testament. Knew the Bible. Jim was the same. The adversary.

He had a thorough knowledge of the scriptures. He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. Same way with Jim. So it wasn't like he just had the old, until he realized the old. Old Testament led to Jesus. So he had that. I was very aware of that.

Then it gets better. And he spoke with great fervor. Not only was he intelligent, a lot of intelligent people, that may not translate into being dynamic speakers. But in this case, great fervor, great oration. One of the things they told me about this individual that's coming from the Pope, he is a, what do they call him a speaker? What do they call him?

Motivation. He's a motivational speaker. Well, he told me that. I said, that's good news. That's the information I gathered before he showed up. I said, well, the motivational speaker, I'll try to motivate him to motivate the audience. But then the fifth thing was, and he taught about Jesus accurately. That's right.

I mean, look, when I hear that, so you just think, he learned a man, thorough knowledge of the scriptures, spoke the great further. He knew exactly who Jesus was. He believed he was the son of God. Of course, God becoming flesh, virgin birth. Catholics are big on that. Yep. So he had only knew the baptism of John.

Then that statement, it said he was speaking boldly, and then they invited them to their home to explain the way of God more adequately. Point being, unite on Jesus, talk about other things and ways we can do it, but keep that the center. I was basically telling him, keep it simple, Jim, just keep it simple.

The good news of the gospel of Jesus, and I was basically saying, don't worry too much about signage, meaning signs outside that says this group meets here, that move. I wish we were all together on it more so. I basically tried to get that point across to him. Said, let's all get together here.

Whether it be Carson, I don't know what group he's with. Seventh day. Seventh day Adventist. Then you have the Catholics. You go, what are you going to do? Hate them. I mean, they believe in Jesus, so I don't mind sitting.

down with anybody, including them, or atheists or anybody else. I like that. We started this discussion with the fact that you had these two conversations. And again, these are three very different groups and backgrounds and traditions. I've talked to a brain surgeon, emissary from the Pope, and an atheist with Carolla this morning. And I love them all. So I don't see the downside.

Well, I think you said it. These times that we're in is a rally point. Yeah. Because the culture is going under in a big way. Yeah. And so the enemies are so evident. And if you don't band together, you know, we'll end up splitting hairs and we'll end up like the Jews arguing about the Sadducee, the Pharisee, the Pharisee, we believe this, you believe that. Phil, that's what's going on.

I know what? Look, when you read the New Testament, you know what the things that come up, there is a time to alienate. When people are anti-Jesus, that's right. the anti-crash or, you know, don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. Or it's a character issue that they claim Jesus, but their life is the evil activity going on in it is in direct contradiction. And you confront them. I mean, there's a couple of verses about disfellowshiping someone in that light. But all this other stuff, now he's talking about, you know, warnings and discussions.

and but no alienation. That's right. And ultimately pull together. Let's take another break. By the way, Jim did not fit into this category. He was not one of these. Mark this, meaning, write this down. Make sure you remember this.

This is 2nd Timothy 3. There will be terrible times in the last days. We've been in the last day since Jesus showed up. People will be lovers of themselves, true. There'll be lovers of money, true. They'll be boastful, yeah, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without hope, unforgiving. The woke crowd, think about them, you know, tearing down a statute, slanderous without self-control,

brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceded, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God having a form of godliness, but denying its power, have nothing to do with them. That was not the MSA that the Pope Francis sent out. This man was a godly man. He believed in Jesus. And he came by, and I gave him some encouraging words with the gospel being the centerpiece of my wordage. But look how many character and issues are in that list.

And even that, when you read the book of 1st Corinthians, if there was ever some kind of manifesto for having problems and still being considered followers of Jesus? I mean, you're probably not going to find a church as bad around the corner. Who's to say that the God of Heaven, working through one, a brain surgeon, was behind that meeting, and who's to say he didn't send the guy that came from Italy?

Well, I think he absolutely did. I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about it. this divine appointment. Because God knew what I was going to tell them. Right. You see what I'm saying? Right. He knew that.

You mentioned that about churches, Jay. So Priscilla and Aquila, they were from Corinth. You know, Paul had been in Corinth, and then they tagged along with him when he left. And so, you know, and we know how many problems the church had in Corinth. But look at this couple. In fact, my sermon is less on Apollos, which was interesting. You had a good take on him. But more, I'm focusing it more on them because it's a sermon.

about marriage and ministry. And this couple, what I loved about it is they saw, they wanted, they worked together. You know, you were talking about you and Missy and talking about the stuff she's doing, and Lisa and I was the same way, and you and mom were the same way. We do ministry together. Like, whether I'm specifically doing something or her or doing it together, we're on the same page. Well, right. One of the girls in Missy's Bible studies, she's a Catholic, and she comes.

Because they're studying the Bible and they're folks doing Jesus, period. They're not trying to get somebody to leave someplace and go someplace and right. Look, I had two people call me this week. Both these friends

are friends that I've been with for 20 years, over 20 years. And one of them was the famous conversion. We told his conversion on here, I shared Jesus with another guy and this guy was in another room after he declared he wanted nothing to do with anything religious.

He heard about Jesus, the guy who was the target. The target said, to heck with y'all, he didn't say that, worse than that. I get up, thought, oh, well, in fact, he was almost threatening. Like, not only do I not want to do this, I like to hurt people like y'all. I mean, it was very, you're not, he wasn't open to the park. He wasn't open to the man. So this guy tears out, squaws, tires, y'all, I'm out of here.

I'm going to go get drunk on y'all tonight. Okay. I mean, you got to remember, we were young back in. We were young. We were young. And so the fellow who overhears the conversation, because this was the hangout. This is where they all went and did drugs and got drunk. But the guy who owned the house had come to Jesus a week before,

and all these craze rebels hadn't got the memo. That this is no longer. They were still hanging around. Yeah, the den of iniquity. This place has been purged. Well, that guy who overheard it had just lost his... dad, became one of our best friends, he was cut to the heart and said, I won't in. That was his phrase. And I, like an idiot, because I didn't even know who he was. I had forgotten the,

I don't want to hear this as he passed by. I said, in on what? He said, I overheard that. He said, I want you to baptize me right now. It was just incredible. Anyway, well, he called me in another one of my old friends, two different situations. And they were, you. And they were, were like, look, just wanted to bring your attention. I was reading on Facebook. And I was like, let me just stop you right there. Because I didn't know what was coming next. I was like, if you're calling me based on something you read in Facebook, just make it brief.

Because I don't know. I just didn't like it from the start. But he was like, well, there was some people that used to, you know, go to our church or whatever. He's like, they were downing you on Facebook. And I was like, it does not bother me. What was the accusation? And he said, well, the accusation was that you will meet with any group of people that love Jesus. And so I kept waiting for the next part.

You kept waiting for the bad part? I said, period? That was it? I said, well, yeah. I said that and believe it. And he was like, yeah, but they were implying, you know, in the next sentence, that you compromise, like, the way you were raised or you. your particular denomination.

And I was like, and he's like, it just bothers me that they're slamming you for that. And he said, so the reason he was calling me is he's like, because I couldn't help it, I had to respond. I was like, look, you don't,

here's my deal. If that is the accusation and people are being out of shape on that, I was like, we're not policemen, and they shouldn't be God's policeman. And even though I don't see how anybody, in the world who loves Jesus would have a problem with that, I just don't think it's in our place to have those conversations on a social media

side. That's what I said. I'm not going to be wrong. I was like, I'd rather you not get involved. But actually, Jay, you should. I mean, him doing this better than you doing it. My approach to that has always been, because we're public figures. I mean, you may be right.

And so what happens is I never read spicy stuff that's against one of y'all or me. I don't see it because I don't read it. I see it sometimes. Like one of our listeners sent me one because the discussion we had here, and I guess it was something I said about you and I have another home. And this person took a shot at us because all these people, why should they have two homes when there's people starving? So the guy sent it to him because, again, it bothered him.

But what I looked down when he sent it, he just sent me a screenshot, there were all these people defending us. You don't know these people. You don't know what all they do. And all these people were defending. I thought, I never want to go in there and try to defend myself because other people that know you, they'll defend you, which is what he was doing. But my point is. But it doesn't matter.

Any time you spend in that is a waste of time. I would rather just share Jesus. I mean, look, I'll make a confession. I did this, and I shouldn't have done it. Hang on, hang on. We've got to take a break if you're about to make a confession. Oh, I'm going to bear my soul here. All right.

So I live in Austin, Psalm, and live here. I have a couple places of worship or however you want to characterize it, people who love Jesus, that I meet in Louisiana. Well, in Austin, I've met at two, I think. Well, the two that I was going to meet with, they were both meeting outside only, and it was cold. So I was like, I don't want to go meet outside. It's like 40 degrees, you know.

It just sounded miserable to me. So I was like, well, let's just look around and find enough. Let's be creative, you know. Let's take a dare. Here's where I messed up, this confession I'm making. So first I was just looking for churches that were going to meet inside. And so your first priority was you got to be meeting inside. The sins, the list of mistakes are going to get long in this process.

Well, here's what kind of made me mad. Most of the churches that I felt like I would be my belief system, even though I just said, and somebody I've said many times, if you love Jesus, let's go. We'll spit out the bomb. But I was trying to kind of look at places where I thought that most of my surrounding beliefs would line up. And like the top three or four, they weren't even meeting because of the coronavirus,

which then made me look at them in a negative light. They're all online. I was like, we're past a year. year to give people the option so they're out because they're not meeting then the ones outside i thought it's cold just have us a place so they're out well then here's where i messed up this was a little fest i then started looking because i as i went down like to the second and third google page started thinking well this group this crew here looks a little interesting you know let's see what they believe well then i got into the here's and here's what we believe and here's what we believe

when I started reading some of this stuff to miss you. And look, I did not find one group because some of these lists were long. When they put what we believe, I mean, it went on for days, which made me think, why are they putting this on here? Why don't they just put, we believe Jesus is the son of God? I'll come to that. But they felt like they had to get way down into the week. Look, every site had these same things of these churches.

and I found stuff I just didn't agree with, which made me think, well, I'm not going there. So after we went through all that, I told Missy, I said, we're just staying home. Well, she said, let's just stay home. I knew that's where they're going to say. And I said, you know what? I said, I made a mistake. And I want to confess it to you right now. She said what?

I said, I never should have read. No. I said, that's where I went wrong. I said, they shouldn't have written it and I shouldn't have read it. I told the emissary from the Pope. I said, whatever you do, just keep it simple. I said, pawn them to Jesus. Preach the message about Jesus, the cross, the resurrection.

I said, keep it simple. I said, you don't have to bring out the creeds that y'all have and the various doctrines. I said, just tell them the good news about Jesus and move on. I said, you'd be way better off. That was my advice to him. You know what? It's still sound advice.

Good advice. So after my confession, Missy said, well, where do you want to go? I said, I want to go right here. And we decided, I can't even remember what the name of it was. It seemed a little more rowdy than what I would normally go. But I said, let's go right. Because it was the closest. Yep.

We went, even though, like, if I'd have read that, I read the page, there was a couple things that I categorically disagree. with that they put, this is what we believe. Do I think it's a big deal? No. But I just saying, I did not agree with their theology, and I sure didn't agree that they should put it down there, which I know that makes people uncomfortable. You're like, well, why? Because I'm like, we're all disagreeing once you get on the perimeters of things that we do in Jesus. This happened to be about... Plus, not only that does, you remember our mentor that taught us the Bible and the one that led to add to Christ, he would always say, well, in my study, and then he would frame it.

Here's where I'm at. Here's where I'm at now. Because we watched him over the course of his life. A lot of stuff that he preached and taught earlier later on revealed that I was wrong about that. So that's the thing about it. The number one disagreement that I had with most of them was about the. The closing statement would all be, we're awaiting the kingdom of God to be established in the next life and where we'll be a part. And, you know, I'm like, well, I believe it's here now. I'm going to

believe we're a part of it. I believe the kingdom is bigger than that. But I believe we're a part of it right now. The kingdom is here. And so does that mean I don't love them? No. Does that mean, what if I'm wrong? I mean, I feel really passionate that I'm right about it. And I feel like How many arguments have you had with your best friend over that particular? I made sure. Hundreds. Jesus may help. I made sure if I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,

but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient. I don't care who you're talking to. Love is kind, no matter who you're talking to. It does not envy. It does not boast. It's not proud. It's not rude.

It's not self-seeking. It's not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trust, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. So when I was talking to the guy who was fixed to go worldwide that the Pope had sent, that's all I wanted him.

I loved him, and that's all I want him to do was go forth and show that. Those qualities. And with the gospel, there's the centerpiece. That's right. I love it. I think it's exactly what we should be doing. It's not rocket science. Right.

You know, what's crazy is the other call I got was about a guy who we had brought to the Lord, posting on Facebook. I mean, it's weird. I get two of these calls. Because most of times somebody would tell me that I wouldn't answer to the phone, but I've known these guys for a 20 years. My message to them was get off Facebook, you know, and do something else. But anyway, the other. one was a guy we had brought to the Lord, and it was like, boy, he's really downing you on there.

Of course, all I've ever tried to do was help that boy. And that situation was more of a, he was an abusive husband, he was just breaking the law, just a constant pattern for years. And, of course, I know why I don't like me, because I'm like, stop breaking the law. stop being, you know, committing mayhem in our community, not less just sinning against God. I mean, but in the name of Jesus, if you're going to claim to be Jesus. But anyway, what I found interesting was that he was saying that this fellow had a little group and he had his salvation all worked out and he was telling me about it.

And part of the thesis of it was is that he had died and come back to life. And so he was asking me. Which is another one of your favorite, piece. Hang on Jason. Let's take one on a spread. Well, no, I just thought it was interesting. Remember you said you'd only die? Because when people tell you, they died, you know, five times or whatever. Well, right. Well, I immediately, when he was telling me in conversation, I went to the Hebrews 9, I said, well, I think the Bible is pretty clear in Hebrews 9, just as man is destined to die once. And then face judgment. Now, there is a second death per revelation. You know,

that may, that death may be an eternal one. But so I said, well, you know it's a mischaracterial. but I've already thought about that. I said, you know what it is? I said, here's what the deal is. Whenever someone doesn't want to conform to a life in Jesus, we know the reason is selfishness. Yep. They're selfish.

I said, and then when you look at what they're posting and they themselves are emulating the gospel, they now have put their salvation in their death and their resurrection. whether it's he really wasn't dead or, I said, don't you think that's strange? That's why when people, when I say, you know, what's your story or what's your conversion,

a lot of people that I've noticed in all the conversations I've had on couches and in cars, they'll tell you about some near-death experience. And they'll say God, now they'll give credit to God for saving them in this physical realm. But I always say the same thing. In the end, it's not about what happened when you had a wreck and that God gave you another chance.

what happened is what the power of salvation is when Jesus died. We're not worried about your death. What have you done? You were flawed and you have no answer for that. That's why I think that's the difference. It always comes down to whether you're a self-seeker or you're wanting to point people to Jesus. Love is not self-seeking. That's right.

First Corinthians 13, verse 6. That's why the first call, look, it's not about, agreeing in Jesus, it's about agreeing with them. And whatever narrative is surrounding their religious faith. If you don't believe the way we do, you're out. That's what they say. The gospel and the response to it cuts through a lot of false teaching. Right, Al?

That's right. And, you know, the sermon I'm working on, the opposite of Priscilla and Aquila working together is a married couple that works only to selfishly serve themselves. And you think about it, you go back to Genesis 3, the very first sin committed was really selfishness because you know Satan's whispering to eve and he said you know you can be like God you know if you eat this fruit and and so she's like she looks at it it was good it was pleasing to the eye it was good for food and then she said and she's thought

who wouldn't want to be God well to think about that's exactly that the very first sin was the sin of self yeah and the big and the big second one was uh we should love one another, do not be like Kane, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. Why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brothers were righteous. So you start with the original saying, then throw that one in there and you're like, don't be like, selfishness went to murder in one generation. And then that went to the whole, all man. kind having every thought of wickedness. A lot of people miss that little text.

That's 1st John chapter 3, verse 11. This is a message we're heard from the beginning. We should love one another. You're like, never fails. Nope. Don't be like Kane who murdered his brother. And so much, why would he do that? His deeds were evil.

He belonged to the evil one. That's right. Well, I'll tell you another. So the stage is set for the rest of humanity all the way down to right now. That's right. sandwiched in between what happened with Kane and what you said in the beginning, he lied, he said, you will not surely die of the servant said to the woman, because she said, you know, we must not eat of it.

So he just lies. Yep. Because he's the father of lies. But then he says something else. It wasn't just about doubting God. He made this statement in verse 5, for God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be open and you will be like God, knowing good and evil. And so you said, well, what do you mean by that?

Here's what he meant. He was saying, God knows what's going to happen, and you'll never reach your potential if you do it God's way. That's right. That's what he was implying. He was saying, yeah, well, God knows what's going to happen if you do it, and he's keeping you from reaching your potential. It's always going to come down to how you view yourself or how you view yourself.

What's interesting is this was coming from a being Satan that was a fallen angel who chose himself not to follow God and was fallen now and put on earth. So I mean, what I'm saying is... Maybe that was the original, which was pride. Yeah, I guess so. And maybe that that illustration. I just found it interesting that he appealed to the human you know, desire to be your own God. I mean, in essence, that's what he said. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he'll give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

There's going to be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, for God does not show favoritism. powerful verse. It is. And you just touched on what we'll get into. That's Romans chapter two, about verse eight and following. We get back to Acts next time. We're at a transition point with our story because so far we've just had this, you know, the apostles and what's happened in their action. But we're kind of going to hit the next generation of these new leaders. And now we've got these converts. And an ass and Safara, they were self-seeking.

it was a moment where they were self-seeking. Right. That was their problem. Yeah. That was their sin. Right. That's right. Exactly.

Jay said it. They were claiming and we're doing it for God, but they were actually... Which in essence is lying to the Holy Spirit, because that's what he called it. So when we get to this next generation of leaders, you've got Stephen and Philip is going to come out of this group. And it's interesting because you just read that verse out first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Now we're starting to vector in. the idea about the Gentiles. First, it started with the converted Gentiles to Judaism.

You start having these issues. You've got some racism, some prejudice. And as we go, we finally get that next to them. Started with the Jews, then it goes to the Gentiles. But the Jews aren't happy about that. Nope. Even the Jewish Christians were having a hard time. Because they were struggling with the same thing, like the guy,

the Pope sent the guy. That's right. They're like, who are you? You're not one of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And so I really believe that's part of the reason why the thing was so severe with Anayana and Safar, because, you know, Peter and the apostles

realized that, you know what? I mean, what seems so great is going to be problematic because people are problematic. And so the early deal of the church is just like it is today. Still going on. A lot of flawed people. A lot of flawed ideology. You know, all the stuff that goes along with it. So that's kind of where we're headed as we continue through acts. But, man, some still some really great examples that we're going to look at and sort of keep it. and Jesus go into the next generation. So we always appreciate you guys on Unashamed. Thank you for telling other people about it.

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