Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 236 | Phil Performs a Wedding, Visiting Spiritual Graveyards & Sharing Jesus in Locked-Down Areas

Episode Date: March 5, 2021

Phil performs a last-minute wedding ceremony for a recently baptized believer and his bride. Al refuses to let the Michigan lockdown interfere with sharing Jesus. The guys talk about common sense and what to do when the wrong people are in charge. Jase believes there's a much better question about baptism than "Do I have to?" He also encourages Christians to visit their spiritual graveyards and marvels at the wealth of obscure knowledge bouncing around in Phil's head. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Because we're doing nine tomorrow as well, so it doesn't, we don't have to be in a hurt. Okay. All right. Ready? Yep. And three, two, one. So on the last podcast, we found out about Jason's weekend. It was quite the story who wanted that.

It was just, dad said, I didn't know that got laborious. That story. I was like, well, I don't know about laborious, but I sure, I sure wouldn't wanted to be jace uh so what what did you do now what was your your only day you traveled to town the sunday what what happened will give us your well there was a couple that uh visited a week before last uh and the lesson pricked him so we had one of the brothers baptized him so he was born again and during the lesson on sin that Jesus frees you from, but dying on the cross, during that lesson, he was doing the very things that I was mentioning.

I said, some of you, you know, you're sleeping together, having sex together, but you need not even married to one another. I said, you need to marry. I said, you marry them, didn't you have all you want? I bet he was a little nervous during the, that because you didn't know that right i didn't know i didn't know their situation at all but anyway i just brought it up so he comes forth and uh they baptize him back in the back there and uh he confessed jesus is lord he said he's ready to repent and change the life so he leaves

they go back to missouri where they contact uh somebody down here one of the sisters i think and said you know you know feel brought up his thing about waiting to you marry before you can have sex with your woman. And the guy said, we never got married. And he said, but we need to, and I'm ready to get married. We both are. So somebody contacted me and gave me that information. I said, get on down here.

And I said, we'll marry you. I said, no problem. So when I first saw him Sunday morning, They had some pretty nice duds on, you know, and the girl had, you know, his woman, she had kind of a long, floyd dress, like a wedding dress. So they come down, and I walked up, I reached my billfall, and I said, it cost me $25 back in the 60s, late 60s there to get married to Ms. Kay, because I was in the same situation you're all in.

I said, so I had to pay some justice of the peace, $15 and $10 for the blood test, so it costs me $25 to get in it. I reached in my pocket and I said, here's $50. Most of the time you're paying the people. In this case, I'm giving you $50 to help out on your gas money when you go back to Missouri. I thought it was inflation, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I just said, here's 50.

We're giving you $50 and you get mad. It doesn't cost you anything. It's a cover of your license or whatever. You got it? he said, that's pretty cool. I said, hey, go for it. He does it? So Owens, yep.

So Owens gets up and it was a short wedding. I said, this wedding has features about it that date back a couple hundred years. I said, this is the way they did it. I said, so we'll do the same. He said, fantastic. So Orange gives them a few words. You may now kiss the bride. Got a pretty good little round of applause from about 30 or 14.

people. So he went on his way rejoicing. So I felt pretty good about it. So now he's a son of God and she's a sister already sister. Now they've got everything patched up, got their marriage license, legal. I said, now have all you want. Legal. So he married Jesus, then he married his woman. Married Jesus and married his woman. All in about eight day period. Which I've always used that as an illustration, you know, talking about marriage and how that, you know, basically you're not married, but you lead up to that point where then you are and something changes. And I've always used that as the same illustration of baptism. It's like the ceremony at the end of the idea, the culmination. When we married them,

when we married them, which was about 30 minutes earlier than we normally meet there, became a little early. It just so happened that a guy and his woman out of Los Angeles, California, I reminded them when I said, where are y'all from? I said, we're fixing to marry. There's a couple here. I said, where are you all from? Y'all are a couple of here? You all married?

He said, no, we're not married. I'm like, I said, where are you from? He said, Los Angeles, California. I said, you look perfectly normal, but I doubt it. So anyway, he sat there. He confessed Jesus is Lord right after the wedding. I gave him a little 30-minute sermon, 25-minute sermon. he moved on it, Al.

So the guy from L.A. was born again while we were at it with the ones that got married. So the kingdom, I'm just giving people here kind of the way the kingdom is working here. And I will say this, was our audience to spread out all over the country. You can't get married wherever you are. So don't feel like you're just like. They don't have to come down here. You can't do it.

And they don't have to get, let us baptize them. Somebody else can baptize them. Same both ways. But look, it's been a, it's a. It's been amazing. So while you were doing that, while Jason was having his escapades going on, I went to Michigan. I had a rare event that, you know, because I haven't, we haven't able to hardly go anywhere because of coronavirus, especially in these, I call them the dictatorial blue states, you know,

where some of these governors have locked it down and locked churches down to the point where they can't hardly do anything special or have any kind of outreach. So it was a church up in Midland, Michigan. and, you know, great people. And it was basically just, I mean, it was, I felt like I was in Michigan, which is way north, but I felt like I had just walked into, you know, Westmore, Louisiana with the mindset of the people that were there. It was incredible. Well, you know.

Yeah. And so, look, we did the event outside. So when they first told me that we were going to be doing an outdoor event in Michigan in February, I was like, I don't know, boys. I mean, I am southern through and through. And, you know, I don't do too well in cold weather. I mean, you know, everything we got here doesn't stand up too well there. And so I started looking at their attempts.

Well, two weeks ago, we were going through all our stuff. They were like negative 20 at this place I was at. And so I thought, I don't know. You boys sure we can do an outdoor event. They're like, oh, we're doing it. So they will have fires. They said to keep everybody warm. So I get there.

And it was pretty cold when I first got there. But wouldn't you know that the, The Almighty warmed it up to 46 degrees with sunshine the day that I spoke, because there was snow everywhere, you know, from what had been there before. Yeah. But these people are like in short sleeve, you know, to them, it was the, they was a, isn't it balmy? Of course, I was triple-layered, have the all the heaviest stuff in my gloves, because, I mean,

it was still cold to me. But it turned out to be fantastic. But here's what I was going to tell you guys. So, you know, I shared Jesus with them. It was great. They had invited all these people who were. hunters, you know, it was like a wild game deal. They fried fish, had fried deer steak and all this that they were doing for the folks. No, no cost, just come and, you know, hear about Jesus. And I think

there were about 500. They were there. We were all outside. And, but over and over and over again when I was meeting these folks, because they were like, you know, the guys that organized, they said, would you, are you like, you know, with coronavirus, do you want to just stay in a room back here? Would you, would you meet folks? I said, I'm here to meet people. Talk about Jesus. I said, you guys you're in this state with this governor that has just locked everything down. I have come from a free state, and I want you to know that around the country, you know, we're still sharing Jesus and doing what we've always done. Of course, you know, they were getting fired up.

So I started meeting people in person after person after person kept saying, man, I listen to your podcast. We don't miss the podcast. And one guy came up and said, I just became a Christian. I just accepted Christ five weeks ago because of the podcast. Now I'm in a church that I got in a couple of weeks ago. So it was just over and over. I was just shocked.

I mean, you know, I was just, I couldn't believe that there were so many people in this area that are part of the podcast, which I know they're listening. I just want to tell you guys, you're treating me great while I was there. And I wanted to bring a little hope and encouragement to this situation because you mentioned it last time. Just people are so, you know, broken down by how bad everything is in our country that they need that. You know, they need enough of that. Yeah, it's like when I was telling the story about the fan he saw me and he thought I was. this on Skid Row, his parting words were good luck to you. And I thought, that pretty much means that maybe I'll just get lucky.

You're a loser. You know, I just was listening to what people say that they're trying to, in some way, encourage you, but it's like 100% sarcasm also. It's just like, yep, here you are, big TV star. you're walking around next thing you know you'll be playing a tune with an open box yeah that's what it felt like which i just didn't say no my wife's coming with a accurate credit card to follow the rules of society well that's why i was so intrigued by your story last time because obviously i had to fly but i didn't have any trouble but then i was like complaining to lisa just having to wear the

mask the whole time because you know the whole process is seven or eight hours and I have sinus problems I have problems breathing and it's just it's misery for me to spend that long with my face cover and and now like you said they're like this federal law you know first thing you do get on now it's it's about five minutes of all the rules beyond what they normally do just all new stuff because so I was kind of great my guy like me I never had the virus I never wore a mask I've have the vaccine, both shots. So how much of a danger am I to my fellow man? I never had it.

I never had it. I didn't get it. Every five minutes, they would say, even if you've had the vaccine, they would come over on the intercom. I thought a vaccine meant you couldn't get it 96% of the time. So I'm, who am I? Somebody can't give it to me.

I've been vaccinated. I can't give it to you. I've been vaccinated. What's the deal with a mask and I need to hide? The problem with rule-oriented ventures is that there's no, there's no room for common sense. And so you're being 100% honest, right? Because we live honest lives.

Like, you've been vaccinated. They build, if you live by a rule system, you assume everybody's lying. So you can't have room for somebody to. say, hey, hey, boys, I've been vaccinated. I'm no longer a threat. I'm not going to wear the mask. Oh, no. You know, we don't know that. So their next thing is, and this is probably going to happen, then you've got to have

some kind of proof card. You've got to have a card that says you've been vaccinated so that you can't just go because you told them, you know, I've got to have this thing. So now you're the only way you're going to be able to travel. I can almost guarantee it. I mean, that's the problem is you got to have rules. I mean, we get it. But it's like, what's the motivation for them?

And where does it stop? and how are you making them, which is why, you know, voting's important. You get people making laws, and I mean, that's what they do. But you can see when the wrong,

it's an agenda. They have an agenda. When the wrong people get in charge, it just goes so far down a rabbit hole. That's right. That even like changing the policy on what kind of covering is, that's where we're at now.

You don't have an approved structure of cloth that might work. It's no guarantee that that it's going to work anyway. They're like, well, science has proven that it works. Nobody asked me to participate in the study, you know, on whether a cloth, because I felt more comfortable wearing the gator. I have, I feel like, I mean, I've created just a cave that I've now put my face.

That's right. They handed me one that had open places everywhere. I'm like mine better. I disagree with your rule. Especially, Jay's, if you have a beard. That's even more. The beard pushes it out. Well, let's take a break.

I didn't have as many problems as you did, Jay's. But one thing that happened to it has never happened in all my years of travel. And I travel a lot. So we didn't get a car. You know, you usually get a car. If you're going to be someplace, we were there a couple days. I didn't get a car because the places in this airport, if you come in after they just close. If you come in after that time, you can't get a car.

So I thought, well, that's fine. You know, we'll figure something out. So we call the hotel, the hotel, the hotel's son a car to get us. Great. Get to the hotel. As the hotel, can you take me to the event? Yeah, we'll take you to the event. So they're basically taking us to the couple of places we had to go.

So we get back and I was like, when you guys take us to the airport in the morning? Because now, you know, it's getting kind of late by the time we got back. at the hotel. And they were like, no, we can't take you in the morning because we don't have a person here they can drive you. But here's a couple of taxi companies. So no problem. We'll hire a taxi. So what if do you have Uber? No, we don't have Uber here. Well, we call the places this now it's like 10 o'clock at night, well Saturday night. We're flying home on Sunday. Well, they don't answer. So I was like, okay, so we left a couple of messages. So one of them called us back and they were, oh yeah, we are, we got only have one driver. He's already busy at that

time you got to go to the airport. And so then we start looking to try to find some other taxi companies. No, no, they're not open on the weekend. So basically, I'm in the hotel. It's 1030. I got at the airport at 6 o'clock. I don't have a ride. Yeah. And I looked at least and I was like, I don't know what we're going to do here. So the only contact I had was the guy who did the event. You know, his name is Adam. And thank you, Adam. I know you listened because you saved us. So I texted him. The problem is Adam's got like five or six kids. He was in the bed by 10. Hitchhiking is always an option. I didn't say it was a good option.

It is an option. It's not too good. It's going to gold either. Or a horse. In the 50s, there's been no problem now. 2000, no. But, I mean, it crossed my mind. Hitchhacken's out.

In my situation, I thought, if I can catch a ride. I mean, I have done it fairly recently. I went to a worship conference and got. stranded at a restaurant and I forgot the details of it but uh I just announced I figure most people in the restaurant had gone to the worship conference so I just hollered out anybody give me a ride and I bet you got some looks didn't you yeah but one guy said yeah I'll give you a ride I mean okay being neighborly is pretty well gone in America well let's see what old Saul of Tarsus is up to you.

I think that's ready to shift out of travel talk. I don't heard enough traveling stories. All right, so we were in, we've been in Acts 8, and I want to kind of set up before we get to Acts chapter 9, which to me is one of those pivotal, we've had a couple of moments that were big, but this, we're about to get to a huge pivotal moment in the church. But I want to go back and just remind the audience in Acts 8, we kind of talked about it to beginning of that was right after Stephen had been martyred. And so the church was like, man, they went to underwent all this great persecution. And of course, we know that Saul is there. He's dragging

people off to jail. People are being killed for their faith. I mean, it's a, it's a scary time. And yet out of that, Philip goes to Samaria and then also talked to this Ethiopian that we talked about before that was kind of on the kind of a road to the Gaza. And then he was teleported to his next place. But there's a vert, what I didn't, we didn't talk about this last time, but Jason, I wanted you to touch on this. So in your, in your Bibles, and I'm not sure it's in every version I know in the NIV, if you read 36, they traveled along the road, this is Acts 8, as they traveled along the road,

they came to some water, and the eunuch said, look, here is water, why shouldn't I be baptized? And in the NIV, it goes to 38. Yeah, there's no 37. which seems like if you Google this from people who don't believe they're like oh we found an error in the Bible they miss 37 but in most Bibles they have a little letter there when you go down to your bottom margin it will say some late manuscripts say why shouldn't I be baptized they just started baptized and then 37 in the late manuscript manuscript says Philip said if you believe with all your heart you may the unique answered i believe that jesus christ is the son of god which is not unlike what happened in acts chapter two and other places when peter said uh the lord you crucified he is lord and christ the son of god where is that 36 or whatever and it says when they heard this they were cut to the heart so it's like

the same confession or declaration and we're all familiar with Romans 10 9 10 is probably the most quoted outside of John 316 that says that if you confess with the mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart to God raised from the dead you will be saved yeah and what you got to remember that's four chapters after Roman 6 which is when he said what shall we say then shall we go on sin and so the grace may increase and he's like don't you know that all of us who were baptized we died to sin yeah we died to sin we were baptized into his death we were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that just as christ was raised from the death to the glory of the father we too may live a new life well and that's just a few chapters from romans one which is where our podcast

the verse that we singled out talking about the gospel that brings salvation to all men you know we're not ashamed of the gospel. So my point is, it's, you know, because it wasn't in the earliest of manuscripts, the hundred men who got together and said, let's put this from the manuscripts into the Bible. They said, well, we'll just,

since it wasn't in the earliest, that one phrase, so they would find different writings of the, scriptures that we'll just make a note there. I mean, it doesn't bother me at all because there's nothing inconsistent with what he said. I mean, to me, the more important point, especially when it comes to baptism, and I did a lesson on this one time, is a lot of people look at baptism and they ask a question, you've heard it probably, I'll ask you how many times y'all've heard this. How many times if you heard people say, well, do I have to? I've heard it many times.

Many times. People want me to answer that question. I share Jesus. Jesus, you're saved through Jesus, 100%. His death, his barrel, his resurrection, his mediating work. Jesus is salvation. And they're like, well, what do we do? Same kind of question in Acts 2.

So, well, and we start talking. We'll bring up Romans 10, 9 and 10. You confess with your mouth. Jesus is Lord. What Philip did. We get to baptism. you and you can use Roman 6 for an example

you reenact Jesus' death and then sometimes people say well do I have to I've always said I think that's a bad question I think the better question is what the eunuch said

why shouldn't I I mean that was his response they were going along the road and we talked about X 8 a couple times he didn't know who Jesus was. Philip explained the good news of Jesus. That's in verse, it's right before that. And he had never heard about being baptized, I don't think. Thirty-five. Philip began with that very passage of scripture, which was the Isaiah prophecy and told him the good news about Jesus, which I think it's a valid question. What is the good news about Jesus? Because it doesn't go into detail. It just said he began

right there, who is the prophet talking about himself or someone else? Philip taught him the good news about Jesus. So what is the good news about Jesus? What Isaiah said. Yeah. Let's take a break. He was pierced for our transgressions.

Yes. And they put him in a tomb with the rich man. Yes. The rich man's tomb. And then he will see the light of life. It's a gospel service. This is good news. This is good news. This is good news.

Somebody died, was buried raised from the dead. So they're traveling down and they see some water and he says, why shouldn't I be baptized? That's a good question. Why is that not a good question? And how would he have even known about baptism? So if Philip said in verse 37, if you believe with all your heart, you may. Because why would he say that? Because if you don't believe in Jesus is that he's the son of God than he died and he was buried and resurrected, why would you want to go down in some water and have someone dunk you?

Yep. As Peter would say, you're not taking a bath. That's a good one. First Peter 321. Yeah, it's not a bath. It's a pledge of a good conscience toward God. I would argue that you spend most of your life

putting yourself in a position where no one can take you and dunk you underwater. Yeah. because you stayed down there too long and you drown. So it's in every human beings, you know. Well, it's a humbling experience for a person to just are basically giving up and to themselves and giving in to what they've heard if you just show them. And they look at that.

And it's a humbling thing. Someone else has you by the nap of the neck. Someone else is pushing you under the water. I mean, it's a. I would call it a surrender. And I'll bring that up because of this. If you go back to what the unit was reading in verse 32, it says he was led like a sheep to the slaughter

and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation, he was deprived of justice. Well, seems like to me that is the definition of surrender. It is. And so then Philip begins with that very passive, of scripture tells him the good news about Jesus and the next question is look here's some water why shouldn't I be baptized I'm making the analogy why why shouldn't I surrender yeah based on Jesus

the good news of his surrender for me why and Philip had to have discussed it where did this baptism come up that's not even in nowhere else he just saw some water why would he have that thought. At some point, Philip had to bring that up. Had to bring it up. And I think he brought it up as a positive. He wasn't, he was like, this is good. You can participate in this. So instead of saying, do I have to, which to me seems the opposite of surrender, which seems a little arrogant, it would be a better question to say, why shouldn't I? And why is the rejoicing phase of this story? when they came up out of the water,

the Spirit of the Lord, so they took Philip away, and the eunuch didn't see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. What's he, what's he rejoicing about it? As soon as they come up out of the water. It's dissipated in the greatest being

in the history of the world, which is Jesus. So when you get, yeah, go ahead. Hey, and you hear it, you know, Paul, who will eventually get to, in the next chapter does a really good job in writing the epistles about describing you know what happens the purpose of it and of course one of them is in romans where you said it earlier days you're

it's a reenactment of the death very own resurrection of jesus and you know and rising up of him and so when we think about it it's a brea symbol to use because you you're you're being put to death and coming back to life and this idea of giving up your life to Christ and surrendering it. And what better way to show that than to be able to reenact what Jesus did. And so that's how Paul described it to the Romans. And then what was it, Colossians 2 where he talked about? Was that where he talks about the circumcision? Spiritual circumcision, which again, you know, that audience would understand that,

what he was trying to say to them, the idea of cutting away that which is human and has been in charge of your life. and now Jesus being that for you. So you see a lot of great illustrations. Paul told Titus it was when the kindness of love of God, our Savior purity saved us, not because of righteous things we had done because of his mercy. He saved us, and he phrased it through the washing of rebirth.

Washing of rebirth. What does it mean? And renewal by the Holy Spirit, when we poured out on us generally to Jesus Christ. Washing a rebirth, reception of the service. Spirit, repent and be baptized, God to give you the Spirit, the Ethiopian Unic. But I think it's too simple to me. Jesus is the one who said, go make disciples, baptize them in the name of the Father,

Son, and Holy Spirit. That's exactly what Philip did. That's what he did. Well, exactly. And we've talked about before, Mark 16, where he said, whoever believes in is baptized, you know, we'll be saved, go preach to work, good news to all creation. Then it says, whoever does not believe will be condemned. and I've had people ask me, they're like, well, how come it didn't say baptism there?

Do I have to? That was their example. I'm like, well, just, you're not thinking. If you don't believe in Jesus, they know you should get wet. Don't elevate baptism to a point to where that's some kind of important thing in and of itself. It's not. Only Jesus is what's getting you forgiven and resurrected. And that relationship will be your bedrock for the rest of your life.

throughout eternity. But it's the reason, it's kind of the same argument that we talked about over the legalism. We all want to follow the rules. We all want to do right. It's the motivation is what counts. If you're doing it to make yourself feel like you're worthy rather than you're not worthy and everything you've got is by the grace of God, that's a huge difference when we're

both living right. That's why a lot of churches who are basically doing good things with their life. they seem dead because it's not Jesus' grace motivated. It's a selfish look at themselves saying, well, look how great I am. I mean, I haven't said a cuss word in 17 years and five weeks, two days. Well, great. When we were talking about empty rituals last time, about the washing of hands, we got into that a little bit.

It would be the exact same thing with baptism. If you baptize someone and they don't know Jesus and they don't know that they've surrendered to him, then all you've done is just, you know, you're like your chicken fighting out in the swimming pool. You haven't done anything. You haven't connected to Christ because that's the idea about submission. And unfortunately, in the religious world, that's what happens a lot of times. People are just, they're baptists. They have no idea why.

Well, look, I do this a lot. This week, you were talking about you're doing your event. I got an event in Florida this week. I'll give you our report when to get back. but and I'm talking to young people and something I do with young people and and when people that who were raised in the church and let's say they you know accept Jesus and they're baptized and then their life just goes off the rails well then later on you're trying to figure out how can I help this person because they were already in and I mean I think this is a common

problem with a lot of young people in churches but a question that I ask that seems to work real well. Because I'll go through this thing about priorities and a lot of their struggles with teenagers today is that they compromise their character in order to be included and to have friends. They just throw everything they were taught and that they vowed just in those moments to try to be accepted. But one thing I'll do to try to figure out what the problem is, I'll say, do you remember you know, when you accepted Christ

or tell me about that. And they usually say, yeah, I was at a church thing and I cried. And I was baptized. And so I'll say, well, who did you bury? And they're like, what? I was like, you said you were baptized. Who did you bury?

And they usually kind of have trouble figuring out what I'm talking about. I was like, well, there was a death and I'll read the Roman 6. You were crucified. You were therefore buried. And then you were raised a new person. Well, who did you bury that day?

And it always causes them to stop and think. And then I ask the next question, are they still here? And it's usually yes. And it makes them think. And I thought about that watching, you know, crime shows when there's a question of who committed a crime or who's dead and what we'll do in a physical way is they'll go dig up the body at some point they have

the cameras and we're going to go dig up the body well if you dig up the body and there's nobody I mean you dig the grave and there's nobody there well heck breaks loose well we don't even have a crime this person's not even dead that's why I told my buddies when they arrived and said let's go up the road and uh... let's take a break

they said let's go up the road robes and drink a beer and I said no I said the one you're looking for the old Phil Robertson he died and I said it was buried and they looked at each other like do what I said the one you're looking for died this is the new one and they couldn't put it together I said the new one says don't go anywhere with that bunch get away from so they leave I finally converted one on them after 12 years but at the time they had no idea what I was talking about and I said the one you're looking for has died and been buried.

This is the new one. He doesn't get drunk anymore. He quit that. You know what? I have a new thought I want to unleash you on you. They looked at me like I was crazy, by the way. I woke up in the middle of night and I thought this. And so y'all can either say yay or nay.

But I woke up the middle of night and I had this thought. My thought was that the evil one, you know, Satan believes in the death, barrel, and resurrection. And you say, where are we going with this? well you remember when Moses died there was a dispute over his body yeah with the evil one I'm not

Al you remember where that was Jude is a Jude 6 yeah Jude 6 yeah Jude 6 it was a dispute because you look at all the verses that talk about the evil one he was a murder from the beginning in Hebrews 2 when it says Jesus destroyed him who had the power

over death that is the devil so his his mode of operata his entire existence has been to kill you physically and you say so we know he believes in death because that's his he wants to kill you physically even when jesus said don't be scared of the one that can you know kill the body but he wants to resurrect that old self that you buried that that's his prime initiative you think about it he he doesn't want that old self that you bear that you buried in Roman to stay buried. He

believes in the resurrection of your old self. I just thought it was an interesting thought. You tell me, yeah or no. He believes in the physical death and the spiritual resurrection of the old self, which is counterproductive

of what Jesus' death-bound resurrection represents. And I've always think a bigger question of that is the why of that. I mean, we don't really know. We just kind of surmise. But you mentioned last time we were talking about rulekeepers, how that when someone is bitter and someone's not happy about having to keep a rule, the last thing they want you do it is living free. I mean, they want you under the same thing as them. I've always thought that was probably Satan's motivation.

I mean, he, you know, had a fall away from God and wound up here to offer us a choice about good and evil. And so I've always thought he wanted to take down as many people as possible just out of pure ability. bitterness. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I want to read this because I just was quoting it. That was time, by the way, Jay, not Jude 6. June 9, okay. I wanted to read this one from Romans 6. I quoted the 1 through 4, but just to let that sink in and why it's a good question, especially with young people, when you say, who did you bury? Because that Roman 66 says, for we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with.

And your baptism is simply when? He's still talking about what he was talking about earlier. Right. He said in verse 2, we died to sin. How can we live in it longer? Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ, were baptized him in his death? We were therefore buried.

That's what triggered the question. And then in two verses later, he says, we know that our old self was crucified. So the correct answer when you said, who'd you buried? It ought to be hallelujah. It should have been, yeah, my old self is who I buried, and it's still there. But when you stop and say, I don't know.

I mean, look, I'm just saying it's a way to get people to think about their life and their commitment. Because you can't judge a person's heart. All you can do, and when you start going back years, it's hard to remember what was happening. And you're just trying to get them to think, have you made Jesus? your Lord. Have you declared Jesus Lord and you surrender to him? So I think it's I wish

verse 37 of Acts 8 would be moved up to its proper place. But since I didn't look at the manuscripts and I don't know, it can still be there. But I love the point. Yeah. I love it. Well, exactly.

And back to your other point, and you remember the context by which Paul says all that in Romans 6. comes out of his discussion in Romans 5 when he ends it by saying the law was added so that trespass might increase. Then we had a question about law last time. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more so that just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ. And he starts in the next, which is not really a chapter in a letter, it's just the next thought is,

what do we say then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase by no means you died to sin? And so that kind of goes back to the discussion we had last time about depending on law somehow instead of grace to now live this new life. It's not about going around and counting the times I messed up versus the times I didn't mess up or the times I kept the law or did something good versus the time I didn't. It's a new life for Christ that's now totally changed and totally different. I think in the simple answer to that is, but you think about it, if a person is lost, dead in his sins or her sins, there has to be a point, an exact point in time when they go from saved to, when they go from lost to saved, well, there has to be a point in time, Al.

Yeah, but figuring all that out is very difficult to, you know, articulate. And to me, I'm not so much concerned about it. If the whole person is being buried. I know what you're saying, but I'm not concerned about it if your heart has been pricked by Jesus and you're doing it with a sincere heart in Jesus. I think you figure out these details as you move along. I mean, because to me, we just don't talk about it because people always think you have to look at it the same way.

I mean, to me, most graveyards you go to, what? It's a sad place because you have these memories. We don't ever visit our spiritual graveyards, which I think we should every once a while. The place you were baptized, and you say, yes, that was a good death right there. I'm happy that you're dead. I hope you stay dead. I mean, it's a totally different attitude at the graveyard, but we don't think that. you read that verse. I'm pretty sure that's what it's saying.

Let's take one last break. And I love experiencing those moments with people. I mentioned, I think I mentioned on a podcast, a guy from Pennsylvania that was baptized at WFR. And he came for dad to be baptized where dad's at on Sunday, but they weren't meeting because of the ice storm. But we did. And so I baptized him, but he'd come up out of the water. Just those hands were high, you know, it was just like, yes. You know, celebration. I love that reaction because it was like he recognized in that moment. It was like, man, I'm a new person now.

The guy from L.A. did the same thing. But a lot of people try to make this an automated system where if you just do these five things in response and you're in. And somewhere the relational heartfelt aspect of encountering Jesus gets lost somewhere in there. So it's like you've got to be careful talking about how we respond because how we respond is insignificant to what you're responding to and who. You're surrendering. So you're really, I don't even know if that is a response. I mean, surrender. It's like the most humble response you could possibly do, which is why I think God chose it, honestly. It's it. And it goes back to that

point you made last time from Matthew 7, Jayes, because remember, these people were, Jesus said, there's going to be people that said, did not do this, didn't I do this, didn't I do this, didn't I do this? I mean, they got the checklist of what they thought made them right, and he's going to say, away from me, I never knew you. The only reason he can say that is because he has no relationship with this person. I mean, it doesn't matter of the stuff you did. I mean, and so you don't want to make any of this a ritual that has no meaning. Right. And I think it shows you that if you want to look at it from a theological standpoint, if basically men and women are going to sin,

we need to do the opposite of what we're doing. And so when you think about how do we achieve victory, it's never by surrendering in any kind of fight or altercation, which would be the perfect thing to do to God because it's showing you that we are helpless. We're idiots. It's the George Costanza. I need to do the opposite of what I've been doing to find greatness.

But that actually is true in God because we mess up. We're flawed and he's not. So I think that's why he chose the surrender, which would be the opposite way to attain victory. have victory surrendering and yet because victory

yeah it's not found in us so when you surrender you're no longer that's why I'll go back to that Galatians 2-220 I think right now in this moment of my life is my favorite verse

that says I've been crucified with Christ and I no longer live the life I live I live to him because he died for me and gave himself up for me it's something like that

I'll look it up but I love it because you're just where are you at in that? You're the first word, I've been crucified. I'm gone. I've checked out.

Well, not only that, and I'll say this because we're about out of time, so we'll have to get to Saul next podcast. Here, let me,

let me quote it right out. I've been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. There we go. Yeah. I relinquish. I surrendered.

He lives in me. And one of the things we talked about, you said it a minute ago, and I think you're right, is that this is all individuals coming to this point in their life where they recognize that internally. Nobody can really know this but you. And so it's not about us even. And look, we appreciate.

I mean, so many of you when I was in Michigan talking, I mean, we appreciate being able to help influence your life through the Bible. But remember, it's not what we tell you to do. You don't want to look to men. I mean, if you're coming from scripture, you know, you have to be convicted and say, this is what I need to do. And the reason I say that is because a lot of you will ask about, well, you know, I was baptized as an infant or as a young person,

but I don't really think I surrendered, you know. Well, right. And then they ask the question, should I do it again? And then my question back is kind of what you suggest. Well, should you? I mean, you know, what are you? Look, Al, I do it every time to see if they're familiar with the verse. I like, they say, do I have to?

And I say, why shouldn't you? Yeah. And they're like, well, but do it? you think I have to? I said, well, why shouldn't you? And then I said, maybe you need to stop the chariot. They're like, what? You need to stop the chariot. Whoa, that's my favorite part of, that's my favorite part of the whole story. Sometimes in life, you have to say, you hear what Jesus did for you. You might have been raised in the church, and it just didn't sink in, and you got distracted and there comes a time in life where you have to say pull over I'm doing this I mean to me that's

the powerful statement of the we get to argue well this verse should have been in there and they missed that one little phrase stop the chariot right now and we're in the middle of nowhere in a desert and people would have seen it is that what the heck heck are they doing he's having to stop the chariot moment in his life i've told the story on here before but i'll quickly tell it again when you know when i was 12 or 13 i was baptized and at the time i thought for all the right reasons i mean i you know but when i got to be 18 and everything i had done between the time i got baptized to the end had been terrible i mean there it was a it was a bad tree with bad fruit you know to what we talked about earlier and so i can when i

came back home, I mean, I sat down with dad and I was like, Dad, I need to, I don't know what I did at 12, but I'm ready to now surrender. And so we talked about it. And dad said, look, we go down there in the river and do it. But I was apprehensive at first because I thought, well, I don't want to mess this thing up. But finally, I was like, you know what? Why have all this doubt and struggle? I'm ready to surrender. And so we walked down the river at 18 and dad baptized me. And so from that point to this point today. I'm not a perfect man. I still sin, but I have no doubts about who I am and where I'm

going. Well, why shouldn't you? Why shouldn't you? Right. I mean, that's the question. And I would say, do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God? And you say, yeah, but I may have done this before. Okay. Well, why shouldn't you now? I used

to say, why not remove all doubt? Nothing wrong with removing all doubt. You know what I'm always waiting for in those conversations. Stop the car. There was a song or write that, Stop the car. I'm going to need to listen to that then.

Who's saying? What are they talking about this? I can't remember the old boy's name. Greg Epinette liked him a lot. Stop the car was the name of the song. We'll get our crack staff and research that and find out. We need to be playing that in the background on this. Jude. His name was Jude.

Jude. The singer? Yep, his name was Jude, somebody. Phil, the plethora of meaningless knowledge that is in your head never ceases to amazing. Well, sometime the old rockers come up with some pretty good deal. They were all trying to find Jesus, but not many of them found him. And I had to say, Dad's watching a lot more old rockers now. They quit watching the news as much.

Yep. Stop the car. I like it. Stop the car. They can get the name of my next term. So thanks again to all the Unashamed Nation. Keep sending in your questions. I do want to give a shout out to Paul and Chris and Davis.

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