Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 249 | Phil Frisks a Fan, Jase Learns a Lesson & Should My Wife Be Submissive to Your Husband?

Episode Date: March 28, 2021

Phil delivers a "Gunsmoke"-style frisking to an Unashamed listener. Jase takes one for the team during a disagreement with Missy and admits there's a lesson it took him 25 years of marriage to learn. The guys talk about the misconception of marriage as a rules-based system, how Jesus treated women, and the misunderstanding many people have about submission. Jase remembers a class called "Should My Wife Be Submissive to Your Husband?" And Phil salutes older women. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So Al, yesterday I ran back into the guy who showed up last year. He had driven nonstop from San Francisco, California, nonstop. He pulled up in front of my gate. He pulled up in front of my gate last year. And I saw him standing there when I come up there. I said, hmm. and I said, I wonder what that dude wants.

So I pull up there. Were you armed? Was I armed? I said, I don't even go take a leak in the yard. I don't even go take a leak in the yard unless I'm armed. So anyway, I thought, well, I gave him the old Matt Dillon frisking. That means there's a gun on you, turn around, put your hands out. Let me look.

What's that coming out of your pocket there? my keys. I said, pull them out. Let me see what's on the other end that strap. And he was complying at every... He was complying explicitly. He said, what's next? And I said, turn around. So I told them, I said, I believe you're good to go. I said, so what's on your mind? He said, well, he said, I watched y'all's podcast and the Blaze TV. He said, I've just come down here. I'm just, I'm just looking for some kind of hope. I said, get behind the rig, follow me down there. So we did that And we had a

Pretty well A few hours I sat down with him And he was an atheist So we talked it over I pointed in by Jesus Went down on the river And baptized him

And he went on his way Well yesterday I pulled up in It was a replay of last year I looked down there But I didn't recognize the dude You know I mean So we got The frisking started again

The frisking started You did the whole friskey Yeah I guess he's used to it now. This time, his attire, his what he was wearing, gave him away suspenders, you know, bow tie. Oh, really? Yeah, bow tie suspenders and a Bible in his left hand. I said, you know what?

That's a better sign. Oh, I looked up as it. So if you, you know, I hate to say this because somebody, that might be the way to try to get in, get through my gate is get all dolled up. But anyway, I said, dude, whoever you are. You are one spiffed up dude. I said, you're spiffy. You know what I mean? He said, you know who I am?

I said, not what's your name? He said, I was the one that was sitting here last year. Nathan, remember Nathan? I said, I remember you. He said, it's me. I'm back. But did you really remember him? Yeah, I remembered him.

I said, I remember you. I said, get behind the rig and follow me on down there. So we go down there. So we talked, had a good little meal there. and I finally found out what he does. Now, this will be no news for you, boys. But to me, I'm like, you do what? So I said, what do you do for a living, Nathan?

And he's college educated, whatever. And he's from San Francisco. It's from San Francisco. This is a crazy story. Yeah, he said he was originally from Montana. Rough story of his childhood. He told me about that. And he just got it, got it.

Did he drive over here? Did he fly? He drove. And he said, I'm on my way to South Carolina to the golf deal over a golf tournament. And I said, what do you do for a living, Nathan? He said, Phil, do you know, you see them golfers? I said, I don't watch golf. I said, my boys do.

And he said, they all have a little book that professionals do. There's a little book that shows the contour, the elevations, down to one millionth of an inch. on a mound you know the contour oh yeah yeah the green he said I'm the one who made that little book he said I'm the one that produces

that book I said so you know you know all the big time govers he said oh yeah yeah I said do they know you he said oh yeah they know he's a green surveyor you know how you see these people survey him he's out there on a green that's correct yeah

he's got a survey and all the surveying equipment. So when he hands them that, it's, it's, this golf world. I never even knew this. But these guys, Al, are looking at the contours and the rise and fall of the landscape, which is pretty critical to what your golf ball is going to do. That's why they look so good. Well, no wonder they're so. Yeah. I've been saying, no, wonder they're so good, Jay. You and I hadn't had a book. Well, they give you a book, you know, where we play, and it's basically just got some numbers. But now, the, got the, the, you know, the, professionals because I've seen those books.

Yeah, you're off limits so I'm getting this one. Oh, yeah. They have, there's little arrows and contours. And so that's why they're always checking that book. Because when they walk up the green, you notice when they're, well, you hadn't noticed. But if you watch golf, they're turning the pages saying, yeah. That's right. So they see it in a different kind of a 3D dimensional way.

So it struck me. I told them, I said, Nathan, I said, I didn't know the. you, I said, are you the only one that does this? He said, oh yeah, the only one in the world. He said, so when I said, so you are an integral, a part of the golf world. He said, oh, yes, sir, yes, sir. But if you saw him walking down the road, I asked him yesterday, how old he was. He's about 30 years old.

He said 30 at 31. And he, you know, he's not married. but I said, you're making some pretty good brand on that little scheme. You got going there. I'd love to know what the book costs. I didn't pry into his affairs, but I said, oh, man, Nathan is doing pretty good. I'd have had to ask. I'd have had to say, no.

Jason, this is like the book of Eli, but this is the book of Nathan. Yeah. He said, Mr. Phil, he said, I watch all of what you all say. And he said, it's a blast of what. He said, your favorite line to me was when you said everybody's going into a six-foot hole deep, you know, a six-foot deep hole before it's all over. I said, I say six-foot. I said, now they're cutting, digging about three and a half.

It's about four. Trying to save money. But he told me, he said, what I heard that line. He laughed, you know. But we had a little meal. He met Ms. Kay. What did y'all eat? Chalmain.

Oh, yeah. Because you invited me to that. But I had, I had acquired. I partook. Oh, did you? I partook. It was really good. Well, here's why I wasn't there.

which my daughter, I gave her report in the previous podcast, but she hadn't been doing real good. But her and miss here flying back to where she had the surgery, and they're going to try to check her out today. She just, her stomach was upset. There was nothing in there. It hadn't been in anything for days other than water and medicine. But she just has really been struggling, so we appreciate your prayers.

I mean, we don't think it's anything major, but it's just makes for a miserable existence. But old Jay, your son-in-law, Al, he took Si and one of our neighbors, and they got ready for that fishing trip for, you know, about three days. They built a tent on the boat for size. He put a canopy on the boat, Dad, so that the, because Saig is too hot out there. You know, it affects his breathing. So Jay built him, like he and his construction buddy, built like a canopy.

They will go over his boat so Sa won't get hot when the crop. The canopy for the ageing. Yeah. Yeah, that's what he does. I mean, at this point, he's just trying to keep Sai alive, which we all are. And he's being quite remarkable. And now that Sae has survived the coronavirus, he thinks he's indestructible, which technically he is.

Yeah, he's got a spring in his stuff. But it makes him more funny, which is hard to do than he even used to be. Because now he's like, hey, boys, I'm bulletproof. I was like, well, nobody shot at you, Sigh. He's like, well, hey, you know what I mean. I would have to admit, he came close to death and it didn't seem to bother him at all. No.

Well, and he was ready to go either way. So we were playing Domino's the other night, and we filmed a little, if you go to the Duck Commander YouTube channel, they put some fresh content on there. So we did a little thing about Dominoes. We were playing the other night and kind of talked about the history of Domino's and the Robertson family. And so we were telling some tales.

But size, he saw, and Jason's right, he's all like, he's like he's, you know, into, you know, you can't hurt him. And so then he got out, he's talking about their podcast. He said, you know, and tell Zach, he better start getting me some mailbox money or this old boy is going to get laryngitis. And I was like, what are you talking about all your stuff here while we're doing the thing? It's not the place for that. He's going to like me. He's going to like me because we're going to do our. We're going to do our pilot show for our little metal detecting show,

which we got to talk about these names at some point. Al, I don't know how you compile those. The list of Unashamed Nation came up with about 100 names, and some of them made me laugh out loud. Not that we'll use them, but they just, you know, the first one was Frog Commander. I'm like, what is they going to do with metal detector? What about what about dirt dynasty that was that was that was funny that was a lot of funny ones

but I kind of put two or three together but anyway I said that to say that sigh is is going to make a cameo appearance on our pollet show so I got him some money so I was working on that deal yesterday so he's going to love to see me coming I'm like so you're going to have a series of episodes on treasure honey well we got one for sure Sure. So it may just go off the cliff and crash. Yeah. Be prepared for anything, Jason. Because of the outcry of the people, I'm telling you, the people who live in this.

Are you worried about your reputation? No. We won the crowd, and this unashamed crowd has pushed and gotten one episode at least. we'll do it. So it's their fault. I'm going to blame them. I was like, hey, they're the ones that wanted it. So I'll give you further details.

But what I was going to tell you is that, you know, they go on the fishing trip and fish, you know, half a day. And they only caught seven croppy, aka white perch. I would say the greatest. Which means it's not quite time yet because Stone's pretty good about locating. So it ain't quite time. The greatest tasting freshwater fish. in my opinion.

And so since Jay had recognized the struggle we had been going through, and I've been in hotels and hospitals for days, he gave me those seven crappie. But I felt so bad because I saw them getting ready for the trip, they're excited, and it's over an hour trial. Did the cropy go down smooth? Oh, my goodness. I mean, I hadn't eaten fish, and I have a condition where there's a certain amount of time

that goes by if I haven't eaten fish I start getting really irritable and so because we were just raised on it that's what we do well here's what you offered something yeah yeah that's right because i felt bad i mean really i did when he said we caught seven and i'm but i'm going to give them to you well then all of a sudden i'm like well that's terrible i mean i they spent all the time money etc i said well my other neighbor has given me two dozen freshly laid eggs, which in our neighborhood, we went from, you know, in the Duck Dynasty days of the HOA, they wouldn't let us have chickens. I mean, they literally made me eat my chickens because I couldn't have them running in the yard. And so now, since the organic craze,

and they were embarrassed over all that, now that's like a big thing. Oh, yeah. And so it's actually greater than money. It's a bartering thing. And my next door neighbor, he gave me a couple dozen. So I gave him a dozen of the fresh egg, which he was excited. So raising chickens has come to the suburbs. Oh, yeah. Those eggs are so much better than what you can buy in a store. Well, they're still whole for the country, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. But you know, Jay's, we were talking about that. It's funny that you brought that episode up, because when I was in Michigan, there was a guy came up and he said, you know, we just started rewatching the shows and my kids are watching now because he didn't have his kids weren't old

enough when the show was actually going which is kind of interesting to me because it's like there's a whole new generation of people that'll watch the show because it's still out there he said but we just watched the episode about the HOA I said oh yeah that was a good one he said you know the part that got me the most was when miss kay when she and field decided they were leaving the boycotting the meeting or whatever I can't remember the whole setup they were in somebody's garage there in the neighborhood She said she went back and got her food that she brought and took it with her. She said, I'm not leaving this for these people and took it with her. I don't even remember that happening.

I don't even remember that. I didn't either. I don't remember those episodes because people all the time, they're like, hey, what happened? You know, they're acting like they just watched it on a rerun. I'm like, huh? Not real sure. But what is crazy. Hey, Jay's, Jay's. Yeah.

Let's take a quick break. What's crazy is in real life, you know, once the social media response came, out. Well, all these people who were in the no chicken camp, they were embarrassed. I mean, they're my friends and neighbors, and I don't want to rub it in. But I'm like, you know, all right, you ought to be embarrassed. I mean, this is insane, because they're the same people that love everything organic, and then they come up with all these rules. And now we can't have a chicken, lay an egg, and eat it? I mean, that's just stupid. It is. It may be angry. I mean, they were like, we ought to do a show about it. I'm like, come on. I said, because you're not

going to tell these people to out. act a certain way. I was like, they don't want chickens. I mean, it's stupid. Yeah. And they have rules and fines,

which I didn't even know I was living in a neighborhood that I didn't even know that was going on. Well, and ours is a lot more lax. Let me tell you something. When Lisa and I first bought a condo down here, I mean, I did not realize.

First of all, I'm not old enough to be in the condo living mindset. because these people have come here from all over the country from all these other states and to basically make rules and then enforce them. That's what they do. I feel like I was under 24-hour surveillance. Yeah. I mean, I'm walking out to the-

Do you have a yard at the condo? You need to get some chickens. Yeah, but I saw the condo. I bought me a house. I had to get out of there. They drove me out less than a lot. Y'all's background clashes with the modern day. That's right.

Well, world because the old standard of conduct and all that, the only rules we have, Cora and old Jay said, Jay said, here's the way we operated. The only rule we have is that there are no rules. That's the rule. And that is based on the Word of God. Al tells me, because I don't read what people write in. But that's probably the number one problem that religious people have and things we say. they're like, we can't get the concept from the Bible.

I'm like, read it, that we're not under a rulekeeping system. Take a guy like that guy that came down we were referring to, Nathan, the Apostle Paul told a young preacher, he's preparing him like we are preparing people to go out, to go forth. What you heard from me, this is talking to Timothy, 2nd Timothy 113, And you can go back to the book of Acts, you said, hmm, what you heard from me, you remember Saul or Tarsus and what a wicked man and a killer he was, keep as a pattern of sound teaching with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Just below there, he said, be strong in the grace that's in Christ Jesus, the things you've heard me say in the presence of many witnesses.

entrust what you heard me say, entrust that to reliable men. And so you get the Goughpro, the one of the book that runs with the Gopro, you say he has a opportunity within that structure. If we make sure that he keeps as a pattern, the teaching that we see in the New Testament, many witnesses entrust to reliable men.

I just talked to one last night. who will also be qualified to teach others and do a hardship as a soldier of Christ Jesus. He was in the military, Nathan was, but you say these military guys that are coming out, now they're commanding officers, Jesus. They have a job to do. So you see what they preach.

They started with Jesus, him becoming flesh, dying on a cross, being buried, raised from the dead. We're in the book of Acts. The power of that message has. spread from the time it was introduced 2,021 years ago all the way up to here I'm just giving everybody the big picture

train others so they can train others and we just go forth and we are holding to the pattern all this arguing about rules and regulations I mean these Bible writers say no rules no rules well the I think the misunderstanding comes in it's like 2 Timothy 2 he then makes an illustration when he gets down there and he says he says no one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs because he had just said endure hardship with us like a good soldier

of Christ Jesus but then he makes another illustration in verse 5 he says if anyone competes as an athlete he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules yep and so people say well see there it is you're he made an analogy that you have to stay within the rules and they're missing the point and I'll give you another verse this I did a lesson on this one time when you were reading that it popped into my head you know Galatians the whole book is a what's the strongest word I can say repudiation repudiation of a group of people who tried to add circumcision to the gospel of Jesus. The grace of God through Jesus on a cross and the resurrection. They said, you need that.

You got to have Jesus and you got to be circumcised or you're at. They just try to get one rule. One little rule. And so he spent six chapters just demolishing that idea. And so he gets to the end and I think this is, this is clever. Because he says in chapter six the same kind of phraseology about those who are persecuted for the cross, verse 8, the one who soes to please, no, no, let's see where I'm looking at. Verse 12 at the second part, it says, the only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want to be circumcised that they may

boast about it in your flesh. Well, here we go. we got people running a race as a soldier for Jesus instead of pointing people to Jesus, they're like, look at me, I've been circumcised, which is kind of a gross boast. It's not right, weird. Yeah, it's gotten weird here.

And so then he gets to verse 14, and look, if you read the whole book of Galatians, over and over, he said it's for freedom you've been saying, we're no longer under the supervision of the law. I mean, just flat out says it in, verse chapter three, I think in verse 25. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. And so then he gets to 6.14. Here's where I was trying to get to. And this is comical, but serious. May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ

through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything what counts as a new creation which is what we experience in jesus but here's the here's the comical part peace and mercy to to all who follow this rule he's like you want a rule he spent six chapters going through that i'm going to give you one only boast in jesus christ there you go so for all of you people who are having trouble not being under rules, there's your one rule. Boast only in Jesus. Follow that rule and everything else would be fine.

Well said. Well, and you kind of, you know, that's what Paul said in Romans. We've talked about before in seven and eight. The idea was that the basically the purpose of the law itself, 10 commandments, but all of it for the entire history of the Jewish nation, was to show the world, all the world, Jews and Gentiles, that the law cannot be kept flawlessly by anyone. That was its purpose.

His purpose was to point us to Jesus, even back when it was before we even knew about who Jesus was. And the only one who ever kept it was the one who died to get us out from under. To fulfill it. And once he fulfilled it, that's why the cross is so powerful. So, I mean, you're right, it is. It's hard to understand now. It is.

It's hard to grasp it. It is. Yeah. Because look, we're following the rules. we are following the rules, but not because they're rules, or we have to. It's like out of that response to Jesus, well, you're doing right things. Because you buried the old sinful self, that was controlled by the rules that you're not good enough to keep them all.

You break the rule. You're separated from God. Then you get rid of that guy, which is what Roman 6 is about. But it's just... In Romans 13, loving your neighbor, is a fulfillment of the rules because you're not stealing from them or lying to him.

But it's like marriage. That's why you've got to get back to we're married to Jesus and you function like that. I mean, to go back to the cropy I fixed, I fried six. I went to mustard and flour because it had been a while.

Black pepper mustard. Good call. But I took one of them, the biggest one, and I blackened that one, both sides, because Missy she likes them blackened. Did you kick up the season a little bit on it? Oh yeah. But that's the way.

I fixed it for her and I know how she likes it. And she's been, hadn't eaten a whole lot in a few days because of DeLau and Mia. She came by and I just had the plate. I mean, she was empty in a throw-up bucket. So I thought, well, she might not have much of an appetite. And when she saw it, look, she just, she grabbed the plate and just went,

it was just gone. And she sat there for like five seconds. Like a dog. It hadn't been fed in three days. I mean, I looked up and it was all gone. And she just looked up at the ceiling and she went, oh. So I'm like, boy, I really made her day. Well, then about an hour later, she'd come in there and she said, I'm going somewhere

over this story. But she said, all right, don't forget, you know, we have that phone call tomorrow, which is today, by the way, with the day. doctor and I was like you never tell me about that I mean she she really she said oh yeah I'm I can't believe you can't keep up with what's going on but I'm sitting there thinking now look I forget stuff but I know I knew she hadn't told me but I also realized she's been sleep deprived she's been dealing with our dog so I just I just went with you know because I in my mind to go to the rule system, I thought she's wrong here, but it's not worth it. You know, I love her. She's awesome. So I'm just,

I'm just not going to, I said, yeah, okay. You just, you just took, you just took one for the team. Let's take a quick break. I took it for the team, but here's what's funny about an hour later, she come in there and she got kind of teared up. She said, I got to the thing about that. I never told you that. I was like, nope, but it's all right, you know. But in my mind, what I'm saying is if you went by a rule system in marriage where like you make a mistake, how long do you think this thing is going to last? As our culture has proven, not long. No. So, and my point is, the relationship and the circumstances around is of greater importance. Even though I knew I was right, in that moment.

It wasn't worth it. And I never thought she would dawn on her. And it's just like that with Jesus. You know, we make mistakes and he's always taking it. Always, every time offering us grace

and forget, he's never like bashing us. And so then we're honest and that's why we confess. We're not confessing because it's a rule. That's what just irks me about it. You know, people are like, whoa, I went to church, I confessed, and now I'm saved. Here's what you did. You lived out, what you just described yesterday, here's what you lived out in Scripture.

Philippians 2. If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded. Having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose, do nothing. out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility, consider your wife, in this case, better than yourself. Each of you should look not only to your own interest, but to the interest of others. Your attitude should be the same as Christ Jesus. And it goes on to describe how he gave

himself for us. So that's what you live that passage out in the moment. Even though you were right, you look to her interest above your own. That's impetus. And that's what Jesus did with us. That's why he died for us. And he does it every day. And to be completely, honest, it took me about 25 years. I've been married 30, dated three, to start doing stuff like that. Because in the first, you know, young and dumb, you're wrong, I'm right.

It ends now right here. I'm going to make this point. You're wrong. And that's why that's just so stupid. So, I mean, I got that and right yesterday. but the first 25 years was bumpy. To all the ones of you of marriage, don't forget the famous verse by the Apostle Paul.

People who married will face many troubles in this life. And I want to spare you this. For the long time listeners, no matter what happens in marriage, when the conversation comes up. We're coming back to that verse. Phil has a disclaimer on marriage. It is written.

Look, we should put that. We should make an appeal to put that on the bottom of a marriage certificate. When people get married and they have to sign the paper. On billboards on the side of the road, people who are married will face many troubles in this life, but I want to spare you this. Jesus number one, rock on. Pause it. It's funny, Jason, you were talking about that from Galatians.

Another thing that's difficult in teaching the Bible and getting it to people is because, you know, different cultures and different languages. I mean, it becomes interesting to go and talk. So I was in the Dominican Republic years ago, and I was teaching the book of Galatians. And so I had this group of people, probably about 100 people, and some of them were all the Bible guys down there and preachers. So you had that crew kind of sitting over here. And then you had a bunch of young people, like teenagers, big crew of them.

And I was excited, you know, so I'm teaching the book, going through the whole thing, making the points we just talked about. And Ben Atkins, who speaks fluent Spanish, is translating for me because most of them don't speak English. So we get to the end, we're doing a Q&A, and the preachers kind of have preacher-type questions. And so one of the kids asked the question, and of course, Ben's having to tell me what they're saying, what is circumcision? What is that?

Oh, boy. Of course, they don't circumcise in their culture. So, I mean, it hit me, I thought, you know, we just take it for granted that you understand what that process is, but these kids had no idea. No, the preachers knew because they had studied it. So I looked at Ben and I was like, Ben, you better take this one. Yeah. There's no sense of translating.

You just go. So here, here Ben goes, bupapa, pa, pap, pap, pap, pap, kind of like you're describing this. He's going. And the kids are leaning in. Like, yeah. I mean, he has their full attention because they're thinking, what in the world? And so I didn't know what he was saying, but I knew when he got to the money line of what

it actually is. because all the young men went, ooh, and all the women giggled. All the little girls started giggling. So I was like, well, now they know what circumstance. But you think about it, they're listening to me, teach that whole context. They have no idea what circumcision was. So that's the difficulty sometimes to teach them about it. That one act of the flesh, and there's a lot of argument about that to this day.

But you were making me nervous. I thought you were fixing an attempt to define it. No. But it's when you take, you know, I'm going to leave it to the imagination. Below the belly button of a male and you take some off. So that's where I'll leave it. However, you know what the hypocrisy of this whole letter to the Galatians,

what you think about is all these people who are rule-oriented in their faith. Well, what about the women? because, I mean, they're coming up with a system where you have the gospel and circumcision. Yeah. But what about the women? You just nullified half of our church. That's a great point. I mean, that's why I think when he got to Galatians 3 there and he says there's neither Jew or Jew or Greek, which is what we've been hammering on because there's no male nor female.

Yeah. And he said there's no male or female because they were. Number one, they were putting a rule that they shouldn't. Number two, you've pretty well offended all the women. Because, one, we've got to have this conversation. They don't want to hear about this. It's almost so stupid that you can't help but giggle to think that your salvation is dependent on what happens with the use of metallic instruments south of the border on a male. I mean, what?

Well, let's take another break. Yeah, well, that's the whole point, though, that was another problem with the whole ancient Jewish cultures. Women meant very little in the system. And I believe that's why Jesus, in particular, I mean, he broke a lot of rules, talking about rules, and taboos because of women in his circle. You know, he had a little circle of women around here in the whole town.

There's pockets of that going on today. I mean, some people still view women that way. I mean, it's a, and you see. Well, and people don't understand because they'll call us a patriarchal, you know, system. And because the Bible, and it's not even true, I mean, they don't, they're just taken for granted how we feel about women and particularly our wives. But it just kind of, you get labeled with it. But again, it's a misunderstanding of understanding of the whole breadth of. the Bible and the history of it.

Well, of course, things that have been hugely improved because of the gospel. Well, I think it comes from, you know, you read Ephesians 5, women submit to your husbands. Well, the Bible doesn't like women. Well, I mean, when you read the Gospels and how Jesus treated women, you can, whatever you thought Ephesians was making you mad, you can rule that out. I mean, because you're not going to see any greater acts of, here's a human God in the flesh, taking up for women in extreme conditions, which was awesome. So they don't understand, the misunderstanding is not about women, it's about submission and what that means. I mean, because the two verses before it says submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

I mean, they don't understand what surrendering and true submission means. They hear the word submission. They're thinking submission like we're in some kind of fight, and you're tapping the, you know, tapping the mat, saying, oh, you know. And that's why you always got to remember that only Jesus, an introduction to Jesus and an understanding of Jesus changes the heart. That's what's going to lead to your decision-making process in, all areas of life, even understanding how a marriage works.

And look, I was just as guilty as anybody else. You've talked about this before, Jace, but when you read the Bible, you know, they put the headings in there, the headings weren't in the original letters. And they put a heading there, wives and husbands in that Ephesians 5, and it starts at verse 22. But if you read the whole chapter, verse 21, is when Paul shifts his thoughts, he says, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. So he takes out the idea that somehow somebody's more valuable or powerful than the other.

It has nothing to do with that. That's a completely wrong context of looking at the situation. What he says is, men, you need to be spiritual leaders in your family. I can't tell you how many emails that I've gotten from our audience, from women, who said, thank you guys so much. My husband, because of you guys and because of this podcast, is now attempting to spiritually lead our family. And when I get notes like that, I mean, it makes me feel great, because that's the whole purpose here is what we're trying to do.

We're trying to help people be better. Yeah, I think what changed my opinion on it is because, you know, you're, you have something in your head, like as a man on how this is going to work. But marriage is like, I mean, I did counsel, the premarital counseling and I read a book or two. But, boy, once you get in it, you're like, no, I should have paid more attention because it's a lot tougher. And so I spent a lot of time in the Word and just trying to de-stereotype a lot of what people teach

on different subjects. But I remember, Al, you might have been there too. I remember hearing a class somewhere at church where the title of it was, should my wife be submissive to your husband? That's what got my attention. I was like, wait a minute now, it's my wife to be submissive to your husband. But it was a fascinating.

And talk about some of the things we're talking about here where there's this, there's certain men in our world who thinks that all women should be submissive to him. Yeah, that's a bad, bad movie. Oh, it's horrible. it's just anti-God and it's anti-scripture but it's a truth that that's happening and look not even in the christian world but you know in the secular world this this is a problem and so uh i don't know it made me look at it differently even though i knew you know the truth here i just thought you got to be careful of stereotypes especially when it comes to to pride and ego and and you know have the courage

to first surrender to Jesus and then see how he shapes my life towards people. Yeah, I want to see the person that thinks they're going to make my wife in particular submissive to them. I want to see how that plays out because I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you right now. There's some, her maiden, her mom was a Miller and you don't, there ain't know, they took her a few years to figure it out, you know, with she and I, but she sure will be submissive to another man. Well, that's why when you did that lesson on power couples, and we did a podcast on that a while back,

and it was well received from what you told me. And I made the illustration that when I looked up, power couples on the internet, you know, it's all these worldly couples. And by the way, since the airing of that, which has probably been less than a couple weeks, one in the top five, I can't remember their names

Jennifer Lopez and who is that guy Ahrod. Yeah, Arad. Arod. Oh, they busted up. Well, so much for that power couple. I mean, literally two weeks later,

they're not even together and they got them in the top pin of power couples. What kind of power are we talking about? Hang on, let's take a break. Older godly women are really a a wonderful thing to watch. Like y'all's mother, she's an older, godly woman,

and she works with younger women who have gone through, what will I say, hell on earth, mistreatment, abused, whatever. But the story she tells when she's telling me about different stages there are in their life, I salute these older women who take the time and the patience and the habit of wherewithal to reach out to those women because it is horrific out there. It's tough, tough, tough world. We have a ministry at our church, and mom's a part of it too.

It's called, I think it's called a heartfelt ministry, where it's basically taking the Titus approach that Paul told Titus that, look, older women need to train the younger women. I mean, they need to spend time with them. They need to model their life. And he said the same thing about men, too, but, and Peter did the same, but that's the idea, Dad, is that what the problem in our culture is no one is teaching younger people how to live and how to have success in marriage and how to,

you know, how to have a family and how to raise your kids. And so it's just being left to whatever devices or things that are out there. And is it any wonder why we're falling apart as a culture? Yeah. Well, I wanted to say, they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children to be self-control, be pure, be busy at home, to be kind, be subject to their husbands so that no one will malign the word of God. Then the young men, they're to be taught to be self-control and everything set them an example by doing what is good, show integrity, seriousness, soundness of speech. This is putting in these younger generation that cannot be condemned that those who oppose you may be a shame because they have nothing bad to say about us.

I mean, so it works on both sides. Well, old men, reaching out to the younger men said, you young bucks sit down in a minute. You know, y'all mistreating these girls. And it's just a, it's a tough thing, Al. But everything that you just read was beautiful, but some people would hear that to be subject to their husbands. They're, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then there's a husband saying, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. you read that?

Yeah. You know? And so what I wanted to say to make, because you're, you're, if you're wondering, you know, why have this conversation? I mean, we've been going through the book of Acts and the Holy Spirit is poured out. We're talking about the Holy Spirit of God is poured out and made available in Acts 2, to the Jews. And in Acts 10, and in essence, everyone, but in Acts 10.

but in Acts 10, he affirms that it is for everyone, you know, for the Gentiles. And all these verses that we're reading today, that Holy Spirit being available in the lives of human beings is the common thread of what brings us together and it makes our relationship and our power couple flourish. And just, for instance, to prove that, you know, in Ephesians and His his prayer, Paul in chapter 3 and 16, he said, I pray that out of his glorious riches, he may strengthen you with power through his spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And you say, well, why are you reading this? Because this is two chapters before he gets to

Ephesians 5 talking about husbands and wives. Once you look at it in that light, you know, if you just turn over to Ephesians 5 and see, well, I'll submit to your husband. Well, wait a minute now, we have God's awesome Holy Spirit. And when you read the fruits of the Spirit, you go to Galatians, which is what we just got through talking about. They wanted to add circumcision. But look in Galatians 520T, he said the fruit of the spirit is what? Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faith, and self-control,

all the great qualities of a marriage. it came to the Holy Spirit. That's why when we're going back into Acts, you're like, well, what are the ramifications for that? This was a relationship maker in releasing the Holy Spirit, which is why I brought up the power couple, because the power of these couples

and relationships in our life is coming from God's Holy Spirit, which is the most powerful presence. And I was going to say the world, but it's bigger than that. In the cosmos. Yeah. In the cosmos.

And not only that, it becomes an eternal relationship because the same spirit that was poured out living in us will also resurrect us. That's why, you know, I tell people, don't misunderstand what he said when he said there'll be no, you know, the Pharisees who were trying to trap Jesus with a rule-oriented system, you know, came up with this scenario. What if a person is married? seven times. Ooh, that'll get him.

Who's going to be married to in heaven? Yeah, I mean, what are they going to look like? You know, how old are they? It's all these questions that you hear because those come from rule-oriented people. You know, what are the rules on how that's going to work? And Jesus said, well, you're ignorant. That's what he said. And you don't know the scriptures.

And you don't know the power of God. And so he says there won't be any marriage in heaven. Well, but the rule oriented people hear that and they're like, oh, we're not going to be married in heaven. Well, he just said, you don't understand the power of God in this marriage that we participate. It's just not the physical idea of marriage that we, you know, understand. But I'm not going to, because I can't comprehend it, I know one thing, I'm not going to try to make some kind of rule system, Q&A, so that people can wrap their head around it. Yeah. I know one thing, she'll be my wife because we have a forever, you know, relationship here.

And we won't worry about the physical, because in the end, he said, that's temporary. What's unseen is eternal. I mean. No need to procreate. It's actually greater. It's greater than what you think, not less. And which is the reason why I believe that Paul couched that Ephesians 5 with Jesus and the church, the bride of Christ because we understand submission.

I had a guy one time they came in to talk to me and he said right off the bat, he said, well, we can fix this real quick if you just make her submit to me. That was his first line. And I said, well, first of all, let's break down that statement. Make her submit to you. I said, you realize you don't make anybody submit. If you do, they really haven't submitted. I mean, that's like saying, make somebody submit to God.

I said, no, that's called an oxymoron. And in this case, you're the moron of the scenario here because you're missing the whole point. And so then we went back and talked about how the Philippians 2 passage, this is about looking out for one another. When you both submit to Christ, that's why in that lesson you were talking about Jason, I went to Ecclesiastes 9, which Solomon talked about two or better than one. But then he said a chord of three strands is not easily broken. And I made the illustration that when you put God, and that was about friends, not really about husband and wife. But your wife is your sister in Christ. Would you mistreat your sister in Christ?

I mean, she's that as much as she is your wife, and the same with a husband being your brother in Christ. So Christians should have a huge advantage over the world if you really understand what submission truly is. And you don't have to make anybody do anything. And irate fits of rage with cursing and anger and bitterness, you say, with marriages, by the time you apply and let the spirit work in your life over a period of years,

you'll look back out and you can't even remember those things. They're so far back in the rearview mirror. You just grow out of it, basically. You see what I'm saying? So did you ever get a curse, throw a big curse and spell, irate, jumping and something? I said, no, it's been so many years I don't even remember. That's right.

It's that illustration. It's the illustration we talked about, the triangle, the more you move towards God that lets you forget. Yeah, all your selfish power play went out the window. I mean, because you read Ephesians 5 where it says, you know, why I submit to your husband, period. But then all that goes out the window when it says husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. Uh-oh.

And gave himself for her. Uh-oh. Whatever you thought that was, you were mistaken. because yeah i mean you're talking about gave his life in a gruesome horrible way for our and he was innocent yeah i mean he had which is why i told that little bitty story but you know what first crossed my mind when she because she was being adamant about it she was like you don't remember i told you about this phone call i mean she hadn't had any sleep she's frustrated she's breaking me over the cold and I'm like

I mean in my mind I was like oh you're so wrong but then you realize no no you did the right thing yeah I got to go find a cross and get on it all right we're out of time we'll get back to acts 12 next time

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