Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 256 | The Spider in Jase's Belly Button, Phil's Missing Cheese, and Are Kids Accountable for Sin?

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

Phil, Jase, and Al laugh their way through solving the mysterious case of the missing Wisconsin cheese. They're not exactly sure how 100 pounds of Phil's cheese made its way to Al's house, but they're delighted (and relieved) to discover that yes, eating cheese is biblical! Jase heads out to do some metal detecting and comes back with an eight-legged passenger in his navel. And the guys discuss the idea of original sin and answer an audience question about what age children first become accountable for sin.  -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Should I dial your house or her cell phone? I'd call her on the house phone. Dan may be there. All right, just go ahead, start. Okay, good. My truck quit, so we had sent it to the shop.

They had to haul it off in a wrecker. Really? I wondered what happened to it. I had to do that with Mia's car. We located the cheese. Cheese has been located. Cheese has been located. Now we're trying to get, who's going to go get it?

So, Jason is calling Ms. Kay. She's in their cooking. Yeah, hello. There you are. Dan is Kay available? No, her. Talk to Dan. Yeah, she's out here on the front porch.

Tell Dan to do it. Okay, Dan, belay that order. We've located the cheese. The cheese has been located. The cheese, where's the cheese at? Anna's house. It's at. In the back refrigerator.

In the back refrigerator. And Phil is summoning you or Ms. K to reduce that to possession. Cheese. C-H-E-E-E-S-E. It's from Wisconsin. It's a special cheese that was intended for Phil. The keys of the cheese. The middleman has commandeered the cheese, which is called some...

Okay. Before it's all gone or it's... turns green. Call Anna. Dan, call Anna and get the specifics because I'm just a middleman here. Okay. Good. Yeah.

Well, I'd hate for you to show up with a set of keys. That's not going to go over at all. No. Cheese. Wisconsin cheese. Wisconsin cheese. Gotcha. Yeah.

Call in. All right. Good word, Dan. Good. Everyone needs a unique. Dan is a eunuch. But he is the most trustworthy individual I've had to run up on. Most units probably are.

Steady Eddie, you did a good job with him, son. Steady Eddie raised that board. I feel like we needed to create a board. You know how they're doing these investigations. And you had the cheese and you have the arrows going down. It started in Wisconsin people. But then who were the people involved? And now how are you going to get the body of cheese?

So when did it actually show up? Did you show up at the church building? At the building? It was Sunday morning. they took me back in the back and they said some people from Wisconsin very kind-hearted people left you some cheese well I thought go back you know get the paper bag little little plastic deal but when I looked it was two boxes that would take up this entire table and I looked at it and if you'd want to go poundage I would say there was a hundred and hundred over a hundred

pounds of prime Wisconsin cheese. And I said, we have hit the jackpot. Well, I hate to tell you this. Thank you from you folks. I don't know your name. I forgot your name. I'm sure you listen. I'm going to tell you right now, if you eat all that cheese, you're going to have a new

problem. We're going to have to investigate somewhere in the plumbing. There's going to be a full stop. No. I've ate a lot of Wisconsin cheese, but it is no trouble with the lower bowel track. None. Well, I suggest you eat a lot of fiber to get ready for that pounds of cheese. That was.

But was that nice of them? Oh, that was amazing. I looked at it out. I said, you know, I hate that they spent that much money because surely this was expensive. So maybe they have a cheese for them. Maybe they do cheese. They came and visited us, I think, and, but I really hope they contact you so I can thank them and tell them I'll pay for it if they want me to do the cheese.

I think that ship is sale. Now that you have the tea. That was a great act of kindness on their part because I love Wisconsin cheese. You do. I told them, I said, you bite it from there. I said, duck calling. I said, they're not the world's greatest duck callers. I said, however, they are the world's greatest cheese makers.

That's right. I salute Wisconsin people from there because of the cheese. And I say, I love them dearly. Keep it coming. All about the cheese. All about the cheese. Do you know how it wound up in my house? I mean, how did that happen?

I walked out to get the cheese. I saw it being loaded up and Phyllis and Tony the artist in their rig. I saw both boxes go in there. I said, bringing it on to the house but then we'll separate it

and take out whoever wants cheese. I said, obviously we can spread that around. Yeah, you can't eat it. A hundred pounds. Go me two or three pounds.

I mean, I could have a lot of that. I looked up and I looked in the back of their rig went out there to get it. And she said, no, no, we left. They said, keep that up here. I'm like,

yeah. No, See, this dad comes down here to the river, some of it. I said, they didn't keep what they want, but send me something. I said, boy, this is the great cheese heist of Easter Sunday. When the Europeans came over, Al, any way you want to slice it, you know the ones who settled in places like Wisconsin. They brought their cheese recipes with them. They brought the recipes with them.

I like the any way you want to slice it. Yeah, any way you want to slice it. So here comes the cheese makers, but it takes time to get the milk from the cows to the place where they make the cheese. You think about how complex a thing that is. And for them to this day, 2,21 years, you know, since Jesus showed up, all these people came over 240 years ago, 250, they started migrating this way. Well, in that group where the cheesemakers that ended up in places like Wisconsin,

and I say, thank God the cheesemakers came with their recipes and they knew how to make it once they got here because, and now if you just probably looked at the bulk of cheese that comes out of Wisconsin, it would probably blow your mind. You see what I'm saying? The only other I've had that is as good is the Amish cheese. Same deal. I'm sure there's same reason why.

That homage cheese is just like Wisconsin. To me, whoever put the Kobe Jack in the Pepper Jack and combined it. Yep. Now that, because that, I just got on that within the last two years. To me, that was revolutionary. Have you eaten that? Yeah. They have, I'm not sure.

It's called Kobe Pepper Jack. Kobe Pepper Jack. I've eaten that kind of cheese you could eat though through the years. I mean, I mean, to me, but you can't ever find it. You know why? Because people like me, if I see it, I buy it. Because it just, it's like, it's hard to find. I don't think of ever since.

The cheesemakers in Wisconsin, they are somewhat lacking in duck calling skills. However, they're making of cheese overrode that big time, and I cut them some slack on the duck collar and say, listen, you don't have to be the world's greatest duck caller. I just keep the cheese coming this way. You know what? One of my favorite things is the, I told you about this, dad, the cheese curds, which I'm not sure what that is in the process of making the cheese.

Cheese is squeaky, squeaky. You squeaks when you eat it. So the reason why is it's hardy so you can fry it or like what I love about is you can put it in a soup and it doesn't melt. You know, like cheese was melt into like a ball in the bottom. This holds it shape. Huh. So if you eat like a hot soup, like I like with my corn chowder, I put those cheese. cheese cards in there, but they're hard to find.

But I like melted cheese. I do too. I do too. It's one of the greatest. If cheese, I kill you, I'm, I've probably taken years off my life. I eat cheese every day. Or it won't kill you. No.

Okay. Have you ever taken to just put it, just like shredded cheese and put it on a bacon sheet and just bake it in the oven until it gets crisp? And he's like that. It's so delicious. I guess milk is the product that's coming from. It's a dairy cow. It's a dairy cow.

Yeah. Why do you take a block of cheese? I think I brought this up before. You can cut a hunk of it and eat it and get one set of sensations, but you can grate it, and it's like it took on a new flavor form. I actually, when cheese is freshly grated, it is physically impossible for me to walk by a plate. And not reach it.

Missy tries to slap me every time. I can't, I like, but it's, this is uncontrollable. I mean, this is like putting a, you know, drink to someone. And you're right. And then you melt it and it has a whole other. Has a whole other. By the way, I don't think cheese is mentioned in the Bible. What do you say?

This was, cheese came along. That's interesting. Cheese came along after the Roman Empire. I, you know, you. I would think they might have been making some goat cheese. back in the day. You think? Yeah.

You know, it's a good question. I mean, I don't know. That's, I've never been asked that question, Dad. That was, yeah, just off top of my head. Stumped the preacher. I mean, how long is. Is cheese mentioned in the Bible? Yeah, as long as, you know, as fine as it is.

The sad thing is, what if we find out somewhere in the Old Testament says don't eat cheese? No, no. No, in the old. Oh, uh-oh. I have, the first thing that came up says the fact, though, that cheese is mentioned in the Bible gives credence to the fact that cheese has been consumed since ancient days. Well, let me find the verse while we can.

This is Q&A day anyway. That's right. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14. Things that we should and should not consider us. Oh, boy. Here are three interesting facts about, now look, the word cheese or curdled milk,

appears twice in the King James version. Well, there you go. Am I going to read this? Yeah. This says, because who knows who wrote this? I just Googled this, but they got Second Samuel 17, 27 through 29, and it came to pass when David came to, I can't pronounce this. What is Second Samuel what?

Second Samuel, 1727 through 29. This is literally live off the cuff here. It says earthen vessels, weed, barley flour, parts, corn, beans, parts, pulse, and honey, butter, sheep, and cheese of kind for David and for the people that were with him to eat. For they said the people, well, that can't be right. Mine says, the people is hungry and weary. This, the diary and I.B says in 29, cheese from. cows milk for David and his people to eat.

There you go. It was there. Wow. You're talking about millenniums. Yeah. This is a life-changing moment for me. Because the next time Jay says, like, we're eating all that cheese, that's not good for you.

I'm like, trying to be biblical here, sir. I mean, David. The Bible says cheese is in. All you cheesemakers at Wisconsin, keep it going. It's biblical. Pardon me while I mentioned that David was a man after God's own heart and bringing him cheese in bulk. And not from goat, as I suspected, but actually from a cow. There you go.

Which tells you something about human ingenuity. Because we talked about this before, I mean, the first person that tried an egg, the first person that figured out you could make cheese from cows milk. Who crawled up on a crawfish hole, looked down in it. And the crawfish was there looking at him. He said, you know, I want to. if I could eat that. It's just crunch.

Because you know, the first ones were consumed right out of the, right out of the hut. Wow. It's like, you know, Missy's family, you know what I told you about when the first time he ate shrimp, he said, well, they were fantastic, but they were so crunchy. Now, kill them first. Every time you say that now, I'm going to say, you did what? Yeah. All right, it's Q&A day.

give us some. Well, we answered that question literally off the cuff. I didn't know that was in there either. Just showed you. Yeah. But I like that dad thought of that. Is cheese in the bow? I've never, there's never.

I thought, I was thinking there probably is a place because I was just, how could something be that good? But you just think about it. I was just accentuating the point that when they came over from Europe. Yeah. But that thing went way back. All the way back. All the way back to the what, the middle.

East. Ancients. I've always held a grudge against the Swiss over, because they produced a product that is three-fourths air. You know, the Swiss shit with all the holes. I'm like. But I love Swiss cheese. I like it, but can we not make it?

Can you not fix your machine? You got to remember. Jace, don't mess with the old ways of making it. Just go with it, man. Go with it. All I want to do is close up the holes. I was just holding my breath that you were going to find some version of Leviticus that God said, you will be struck down if you eat cheese.

By the way, you got to be careful when you Google something. There's a cave somewhere. Hang on, Dad. Let's take a break. There's a cave somewhere in Switzerland. And I saw a guy standing at the mouth of the cave. Were you there or you saw this on TV? I watched it on television.

Oh, here we go. But it was one of these documentary type deals. Was Matt Dillon? No, not Matt. And the guy pointed in the cave and he says, this cave, the deeper you go into the cave, as you go forward and go deeper and deeper, the molds change. This cavern, this cave, was stacked full of thousands upon thousands of pounds of cheese. And he says, as you go further back, there will be a different kind of mold. He said, I just want to make sure our listeners understand something.

All of the molds that's growing on this cheese, and some of it is put there for months, sometimes for years, but it's supposed to be the finest cheese of all time. But he says it has over 100 different kinds of molds that grow on it. He said, the good news is all edible. All of those molds, you see your cheese and it's green, looking you're like, what in the world? Happen to the cheese?

Throw that out. He was making a point that these... I don't eat the mold. The molds are growing the cheese. He said, all edible inside this cave. Well, I know you can just cut it off and eat the cheese and delicious. Do you cut it off or do you eat it? Since I saw that, I said, well, you know, I shouldn't worry about, got a little mold on it.

But you still can't eat it. You still have to cut it off. Well, most of it. As far as, you know, I do kind of trim it up a little bit. But a little bit here and there, you know, I've noticed that. I've never had any kind of reaction from cheese, mold it or not. When you age meat, you get mold, deer, beef. I mean, you know.

But the guy that ate the four. Y'all can look that up on your black boxes, but you say, moles on cheese. I'll take you work for it. He put a thumbs up on it. He said, no problem. No, it's not a problem. You're right. But the guy who ate the 14-year-old pickle, the story we told before,

look it up in a previous podcast. He was a microbiologist. He finds the jar of pickles that had fallen under. to the bench of the duck blind, looked at the expiration day. He was doing a lot of, hmm, hmm. And I was watching him because I thought, here's a microbiologist. He's inspecting these pickles. And I said, how long he expired?

I can't remember it. It was over 10 years. And this thing, you know our pickles green, this was brown and fuzzy. And there were several of them. And he went in. And I thought, I wouldn't touch that. But he grabbed it. And he was looking, and I thought, and what I, the last thing I was expecting was the next

journey, which was not a nibble. He went in and went, and it made me nauseous. And he said, nothing wrong with it. I said, but how does it taste? And he said, well, that's a different story. But he was making your point, which was, it is edible, but not. not preferable. I wouldn't recommend that.

I saw it happen. But I saw him do it. I was there in the blind too, and I watched him. Of course, he ate it, and we all stood around like, you know, if he ate strict nine, we're waiting on him to fall over or grab his stomach and say, oh, I'm going. Thank you all. Missy had the same.

Look, yesterday, I went metal detected yesterday, and I was in a widded area. And so I had to take a shower. and because I was nasty, you know. Well, you know how. You're in a wooded area and you want to take a shower. What are you talking about? Well, I hunted in a wooded area. When I got home, I said I got to take a shower.

Because you're in wooded areas every day. So I took my shirt off and you know how you have that peach fuzz that accumulates in your belly button from time to time? I think it just happens to me. I'm not sure. The hair traps it up. Okay. So I look down and I'll look down. I see a substantial amount of something in my belly button.

So as I'm getting into the shower, so I reach and grab it. Well, when I grabbed it, I could tell this is alive. Oh, my word. And so I squeezed. It's happening again. I squeezed, and it was a huge spider. And I thought, how did I not know? Well, I'm in that moment when Missy walks in.

And I'm like, be glad it was not a brown recluse or a black. I wasn't sure what it was. And she said, what is? I said, I just killed a spider out of my belly. Which I know the way that sounds now. The question is, how long had he been there, though? Well, I don't know. And I'm like, how did I not know that was on me?

Which is what she kept saying. But then you know how your brain plays tricks on you? Because then I thought, surely that thing bit me when I squeezed it. And so how it's like I lost my faculties. I was like, do I feel the same? I was like in my belly butt and I was looking for a hole. But you know, as the night went on, Missy kept up, how do you feel?

I was like, I mean, I feel a little flush. I think it's just the power of suggestion. So I feel fine now. So I guess you still don't know what kind of space. there was. I mean, I literally just turn. Most spiders are non-poly. By brown or clues or black widow,

that would have been a bad scene there. Yeah, that wouldn't have been pretty. But probably they would have already bitten you. Sorry, I hated to go down that. But that hit me because I thought the power of the mind is, you think something's wrong. I mean, like, oh, no. What if that was,

at what point do I, like, call the doctor? Because an autopsy on this spider is going to be difficult. I mean, because I just, Which a lot of I immediately crushed it because it kind of freaked me out. Yeah. Jason had more in the earwig. Something was in his beard that time. It's because I go out into the wilderness.

And I guess, I mean, I will say that was embarrassing not to know. And why did he pick my belly butt? It's like, this is your idea of a home? He thought it was some kind of like a railway yard grow up in that. He thought it was a cave. It was a spider cave. That's what I'm saying. I did think that was weird.

But my whole life, I've never had something crawl up in my belly button without me knowing it. Oh, yeah. I'm like, she's like, how do you not notice that? I was like, I guess he slipped in. Yeah. Wrong spider and you'd be in a bind that, Jay. I'm always looking when I'm out getting stuff out of my shed and stuff because, you know, the Black Widows and the Bramercluse around here are bad.

A lot of them. I spray for them in my mind. I think it's your. Look, we hunt every year in Kansas, and my buddy has a camp, and I was telling him about that. I was like, I killed a brown recluse in your camp. I mean, you need a spray for these things, because I saw it. I knew it was a brown recluse.

I killed it. I was like, this is dangerous. He said, come here, let me show you something. We walked out to his shed right beside the house, and he, like, turned the light on and pulled something up. There were, they were teeming everywhere. He's like, you're not, there's not enough spray in the world to stop this. He said, they won't buy the you.

I thought, oh boy. Do you realize how much sleep I got the rest of that trail? I had nightmares about. Yeah, I don't like Spouts about it. It was really, so next time you go there, just keep that in mind. There are brown recluse is literally everywhere. He's not worried about it. Of course, then he started talking about the resurrection.

I thought, well, he's got a point. I do the same thing. I'm not going to sit here and argue on that side of things. No. But he's like, I'm just telling you. The problem is just rots a piece of your. flesh out everywhere it bites you that's the problem you know yeah most people i mean he's you know my buddy he's raw right i know a few that's been bitten by me it was quite quite the pain oh yeah

or snake bit either all right let's um let's let's get into our thing here yeah it was not quite ready for break so um we got a couple of questions today that that that i wanted to we hadn't done q and a while i guess we started out his cheese in the bible how it was an investigation that needed a result and we did it For you. I'm not sure they filmed all that. Did you? Yeah, he got it on. Eating cheese is biblical.

We found that's biblical. We found out where Dad's cheese is. We're in the wheels are in motion to get that cheese down here to the river. Let's give something a little more sustaining. So Crystal asked a question. And she said, I've heard you guys talk about, she called it the age of discernment. You know, an age when a person becomes aware of sin is what she's referring to. when does that happen and how can you tell and then she said are you saying that before that time

the child would not be held accountable for their sin so let's take a break first i mean first of all i want to say this no matter what the answer is to that question because the bible does not give a specific age that's the short answer right there's no age of accountability or what did you call it age of discernment which i actually like that some people believes in the religious world that you're born into a sinful condition. I do not subscribe to that because I believe they are choices that we make. And Galatians 519 says, the acts of the sinful nature,

which is another phrase that has come up, I'll agree that people are born with the, what would you say, the propensity to sin, at some point. Yeah. So that's what they mean by sinful nature. But to say that a baby is filled with the things that are listed in Galatians 519,

I'm not, I'm not going with that. I think sexual immorality, you know, because it's a dissit, you think, what is sin? Well, 1 John 3, 4 defines it. Sin is breaking the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness. That's what 1 John 3, 4th is. says. Right. So that is a willful act decision that is contrary to the nature of God. Would you agree? Yep. So I don't know a lot of little baby, and I'm using babies as an example, because at some point, they reach an

age where they understand. Bible doesn't address it. Therefore, when the Bible doesn't specifically give a number, I do think that that's open for interpretation. Now, we can discuss it. Well, I think most people, my thinking is, and I could be wrong, because I don't believe that you have original sin either. But I'm assuming. Now, you called it original. What does that mean? Just that the original sin by Adam then brought sin for every person after. Well, that's different, I think, than what I was referring to.

But that's what I'm saying. You said some people believe that you're born in sin. That's because they call it the original sin, which is from Adam. Okay, maybe it is the same thing. I assume it was from Acts 5. when Paul is describing Adam versus Jesus. Remember that text? Yeah. And he says, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, in this way death came to all men because all sin. So if you read that whole text, I could see where you could extrapolate that concept.

Problem is you miss it because in the context, it's not about the sin carrying forward. It's that he was a sinner. And then Jesus is the one that brings salvation. So it's more about the two men. And not about this idea of seeing. Here's what I would tell Crystal. Because Jace made a critical point. All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law. You're like, so prior to the written code, what's it? Written law.

All who's sin under the law will be judged by the law. The Jews received written in stone. But you say, what about before the law was written? Tell them where you're at. Yeah, I'm in Romans chapter two. Yeah. It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's side, but is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Indeed, when Gentiles, the Christel, you'll have to watch this very carefully, who do not have the law. We weren't given the law of Moses at Sinai. But when Gentiles do by nature, when you've got people who are law, because they've sinned, people who are saved because they've embraced Jesus and their sins are removed. So you have the saved, the lost. Well, let me interject something before you finish your point.

Would it be okay then to say they're safe, lost, saved? That's why I was fixing to add, but what about the ones who are safe? Yeah. So look, here comes the law, and you don't have to have it written down, because God wrote it on your heart. Since they show verse 15 that the requirements of the law, which is obedience, 100% obedient, are written on their hearts.

So now we're inside the mind. Which is a strong evidence that there is a God. That is correct. Because people's minds know right from wrong. So we get to the crux of the matter. You say, well, how would we? know what the requirements of the law meant? Well, you have to be old enough for your conscience inside your heart to tell you what will it do? Your conscience, it also bears witness. This is right.

So do so. This is wrong. Don't do that. There are thoughts in your mind now accusing, now defending. In one sense, when your conscience gets to do that, developed enough. Now look, you have a baby in a crib. It's a child, and the child is three days old. The child's conscience in here has not matured enough for the child to know the difference between right and wrong. This child at three days old, Al, has no idea about sexual immorality, lying, thievery, cursing, bitterness, hatred. This child is too young. to understand the concept. His brain is not developed enough

and his conscience is not developed. However. However, we all know. You say, well, how will we know? Crystal says, how does we know when that time is? Well, you ask Crystal, you say, Crystal, honey, remember when the sin started? Just give me an idea of kind of when it was.

And she'll say, well, that's about 12 or 13. Well, depending on what culture. depending on the country. Because there's no age. There's no age. No age. So, but just say, but when did your sin and start? Let's ask ourselves a question.

Talk to a group of 100,000 people. And they're all over 15 years of age. You say, you remember when the sin started, and they will all say, yes, we did. You go back to the first time you were tomorrow. You remember that? Yeah. You remember the first time you started telling lies? Yeah, I remember that.

Well, how old were you? So some will say 10, some will say. 11. And this day and age, I've noticed, I've kind of changed my thinking on how old somebody needs to be. It's getting younger, isn't it? Because I'm looking at like junior high, girls and boys that are doing things and seeing things. A lot of it depends on their culture that they're in. So in that crystal, in that right there in Romans chapter 2, if you're kind of, let's see. Well, look, why are you looking? I want to say one thing, though. Sins will be uncovered on the day when God will judge men's secrets, everything that

you've participated in and what your thoughts were on it. There will be a day of reckoning through Jesus Christ as my gospel declares. You come to Jesus and you will really be saved, which would be safe. Yeah. Right. But what I was going to say is, so a lot of, like at our church. That's my thinking on it. At our church, we do baby blessings. And, you know, I had somebody tell me one time, they're like, well, they haven't reached the age of accountability. I was like, because they were saying, well, this is a Catholic thing, that y'all are doing a Catholic thing. We thought y'all were whatever. I'm not into all the groups.

I don't know. We were having a weird conversation there. I was like, well, wait a minute here. It's okay for families to dedicate their baby, number one, as a gift from God. And like where, you know, we meet, y'all give a charge to the parents. They give a little Bible. Well, the kid, the baby can't read the Bible. So why are you giving the Bible?

Well, it's symbolic of giving glory to God. The baby understands nothing at this age. Understands nothing. It's the cause of the conscience has not developed. But my point is, I don't want people to think that that's a bad thing. I think it's a positive thing. Yeah, sure it is. And the same, I apply that, because I'm trying to be practical because a lot of people

are listening. They're like, well, what we're doing is, you know, baptizing tons of little kids. I mean, so what are you trying to say? I'm like, well, it doesn't give an age. I think anytime that you're stopping your life and dedicating a person to God, taking a challenge as parents, I think it's all positive. But we're just trying to give you insight into what is best and leaving the door open for later.

So I had a conversation. Hey, Jess, let's take another break. I had a conversation at the last event with the people who were driving me around. They asked this exact question. This was like 10 days ago. And I was tempted to say, how old is he? But I know that doesn't matter. So I said, look, because they said he was going to be baptized that day.

And I actually used that to, when I shared Jesus to the whole crowd, I said, I know they're already going to baptize somebody. So if you want to join them, come down. They said 13 of them did. But great. But they said, well, how do you know if you know if. he's old enough. And so I kind of went through what we're talking about. I was like, well, the act is sinful nature obvious.

And they're like, well, he's not, he's pretty young. I mean, their first response was he's pretty young. I was like, well, what I generally do, because I'm going to stand before God as one who gave people advice and Jesus, just like you all have. Yep. I said, what, I try to get people not talk them out of it, but like, say, why don't, you know, why don't you wait to you fully understand. Because I know once I heard Jesus and understood it, wild horses wouldn't have kept me away.

If somebody said, won't you wait and think about it? And I was like, okay, you know, it makes me question my desire or my motivation, you know. But even if a person does it. So that's what I told them. I was like, why don't you say, you know, do you think you're old enough? Maybe you need to, because you don't want to say, go out there and experience some sin so you understand the cross. I mean, that's terrible advice.

I said, but why don't you just try to go through it? And if they still want to do it, go ahead. But as a parent, because I don't think it's a negative thing. I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think later on, they may come and realize, you know what? Maybe I didn't really understand everything I needed to understand. I've had a mighty throng. Tell me that.

I've had hundreds. Me too. And look, we've baptized people. I guess again. And, you know, part of, I know that understanding means something. You have the story on Acts, have we covered that yet, where they, it was a different situation in that they were baptized by John. So we'll get to that at some point.

But they hadn't even, they didn't even know you could get the Holy Spirit when you were baptized. And so they baptized them again. Yeah. So, but they had John's baptism and they had baptism. John the Baptist. Yeah, John the Baptist. Baptist and then to Christ.

Which I've compared that same thing that you're talking about to people, because we get a lot of people asking questions. They come from a group that did baptize them as an infant. Then they were confirmed. They call it confirmed at like 13, which is kind of what we're talking about. It's kind of a two-step process is the way they do it. And in their mindset, I'm assuming, it takes care of the original sin to start with. Then they confirmed that this is why I did that. So that's kind of the tradition.

But what happens is I have a lot of people say, should I be baptized again? And I'm like, well, I don't know, should you? Because it really is a person. Well, the reason we're rambling and giving you all these situations, all people are different. That's right. The cultures are different. If God created you, I mean, my point is, God, this is all coming from. the opposite of God's nature is sin. He has no sin. That's why I lean to believe when God

created us, we were sinless because he is sinless. He's the author and perfected. The problems come up by giving us the ability to choose, which will then lead to choosing something that's contrary to the nature of God, which is the definition of sin. It's hard for me to look down in a mother's arms and she's holding a two-month-old baby in her arms and me to whisper in her ear this is one sinful little creature

that you're holding a year. I don't believe it at all. I don't think so. And you know, we were talking about, you're reading that about the conscience dead in Romans 2. Later on, Paul talking about himself, would say, in Romans 7 verse 9,

once I was alive apart from law. Yep. So that means something. And when the commandant, it came, when he understood, sin sprang to life and I died. And that's why, to Jason's point, I've seen a lot of 11 and 12-year-olds through the years that I said, well, one thing for sure, they are mean little creatures here at 11. I've seen some 12-year-olds that shock me on what they are into in these modern times.

Well, exactly. That's why you've got to take each situation and remember that. Plus, nothing wrong with being sure if you turn 18 and you say, man, I don't know. In my case, I was baptized at 12, but it was evident from 12 to 28 that it didn't take. A lot of people say, well, were you too young? I said, let me just put it this way. Whatever happened at 12, that didn't take. Because I proved that I was no son of God. I had a similar experience.

So what happened was you were you were in your mind doing what you thought was the right thing to do. One of my buddies said, let's go get baptized. I run down there and do it, but I didn't even know who Jesus was. When the test of wills came, you submitted to the evil side until you were 28. That is correct. So let's take our last break. Well, and the home you're raised in. One of the factors I always tell people is, it's a couple things.

One is it's not just understanding, it's not just the conscience. It's also understanding the consequence of what sin does. you know, and that's hard to figure out. Because look, a little five-year-old kid tells a lie, and you catch them in the lie, because they're pretty easy to detect. And then you say, why did you tell that lie? Well, he knows he did something wrong, but he doesn't understand the consequence of what that means. Or that it's sinful, right, per se.

Yeah, because they just know it's wrong. That's why I like the word safe. And think about it's also the umbrella of a household. You know, some kids are raised up in a very sheltered environment, and they're just not exposed to a lot. stuff and it takes them a pretty good while before they finally see it on their own whereas you got another culture where they're just running free well then all of a sudden they're they're doing drugs at such an early age or whatever so you know a lot of it depends on that's the safety of a

house i think when you know we were talking about baptism you got to remember that a lot of people are baptized without being connected to jesus and so all you did was get wet you know first i'll give you an example. You know, 1 Peter 321 says, you know, water symbolizes baptism that saves you. It's not the removal of dirt from the body. So you're not going and taking a bath like you would. Every time you took a shower, I'd be washing away sins. Well, right. Because then it says it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So you have to go into your mind when you say, I confess Jesus, my Lord, I accept Christ in my heart, or Christ accept me, however you believe and accept, that's critical as far as the relationship. Because when you brought up the family, just like the structure, it's no different in God's family.

You know, God becomes our Father, Jesus, our Lord, Savior, brother, the Spirit, our counselor. the relationship aspects of that are way more important than this physical act of you just going down there. Because a lot of people, you don't know what's in their mind or heart, especially when they're young. Because I told somebody this before. I was like, if you want to baptize a bunch of eight to 12 year olds, oh, I know how to do it. I'll get my dad and we'll go around the country. And you just get them in a room. Oh, we'll get them in.

Because it's easy, and I mean that playfully, because my point is they're impressionable. They want to, they have good hearts, which goes to my thought about them being safe. And they want to, they want to be, they want to please not only God, but people, they're at a good age. And so you go in there and give them some hellfire and brimstone and scare them to death. Guess what? They'll run to be safe. Yep. But then they don't have that connection with the Godhead.

and then they miss what I wanted to read is the next chapter, which I hate how they break this chapter up, because it says, you know, it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then it says, therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves with the same attitude because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin.

As a result, he doesn't live the rest of his earthly days for evil human desires, but for the will of God, which is your point. At 12, all of a sudden, you start noticing the opposite sex, the lured, the cravings of sinful man, the boasting what he has and does and the pride of life. Well, what happened to this connection? There was no connection.

This was just like you went and got baptized with your buddy. There was no spiritual connection, and your attitude is not like Jesus. It was just something you did. And so I think it's fair and it's welcome to go back and look at your life and say, no, wait a minute here. That's perfectly fine. I mean, why would it be wrong to analyze that and to say, oh, I don't, maybe I didn't understand that aspect and I need to really accept Jesus, you know, as Lord. I would think that would be encouraged, not frowned upon.

Well, you know, for me, it's weird. It's a good point. Because I can, I remember the month and year and how old I was. I can't remember the day when I came to awareness. I remember it. I was, I was, I was on the bus. It was, I was going to the 10th grade. I was on my way to Western Road High School for the first time.

And girls began to get on the bus. And we had all, some of the same kids I had went to ninth grade with at Woodlawn. But, you know, I had a girlfriend all that. But we just nothing ever developed. I just wasn't thinking that way. But when they started walking on the bus, I just remember. looking at them and something changed. The way I looked at these girls getting on the bus,

I had never looked at them that way before. I'd been down here all summer, probably bailing hay and fishing and all that. And your conscience was saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, down. That's right. It's weird that you say that, Al, because I still remember it, clearly. In fact, my later girlfriend, I remember especially when she got on, because she had filled out from that one summer to the next.

She wanted to be in the girlfriend. She wanted to be in the girlfriend. I was in Norway. I mean, I just went right down that path. But it was like a light bulb. I was in eighth, I think eighth grade. I was 13. I was, so I don't know how you are when you're eighth grade.

Probably about, do the math. Probably about 12. And I, we, me and my buddies, we would go camping out and we would fish and we would hunt. We had our guns, which is kind of as I look back on it. There's 12 and 13 year olds. I mean, we had a small arsenal. We were trained to be on our guns. Yeah, but all my buddies, you know, you bring your guns, bring you fishing poles.

But I remember we did it all the time. And the guys I went to school with, just have fun, live off the land. And I remember we're at a camp out. We wasn't there five minutes, just like always. And one of the guys, he had three, I guess he had stolen, three beers. You know, he didn't have the six-pack. They were on the six-packed rings, but there was only three of them. There was like six of us, and I thought, what are we going to split this?

So he brought it out. He had a marijuana joint that looked like a cigar, which I had never even heard of marijuana. You know, he didn't call it that, but that's what it was. Thing was huge. And he had a bunch of dirty books, you know, magazine. So he was running the trifecta right off the bag. He just brought it right out. And I just thought, what's going on here?

And like you, I had a moment here. Because, I mean, they were flipping through these pages. And I was like, huh, because I was looking at like, I didn't know that's how women looked like. I mean, it was like, I was like, really? And so I was, I just realized there in that moment thinking, things have changed here. Yeah.

And I felt awkward, kind of tempted to, you know. Jace, the evil one, had entered the camp. That's right. Literally had entered the camp. Which what is what's what happened next as I look back on it because I'm just processing that. And all of a sudden, think brother were Arthale when they were standing there eating the gophers and the people started coming through. We heard some singing. We're in the middle of woods in a cabin.

We hear some singing. And one of the, why is this funny? true story. Because only you would have this experience. Once again. Look, I've never heard this story before. So look, all of a sudden we hear these voices. And I'm like, that sounds like singing.

And one of the kids in our little group, his youth group, he had told them we were going camping out in the cabin. And they, the youth group, his youth group and the youth leader, walked through the woods, they were singing, they just came out to surprise it. Now the beers being buried. Oh, hey, this kid is putting stuff under. You know what I thought was amazing? Which I'm glad the Lord intervened in that because I don't know.

That was spiritual warfare being played out right there. Yeah, because I did say when he brought him out, I was the one saying, I don't know about that. I mean, like, because he brought out the marijuana. And I said, because they were like, nobody was saying anything except the kid bringing it out saying, this is what we're doing. And I said, I don't know about that. Because I thought, who knows what's in this cigar thing? I mean, that's liable to kill me. So they start singing the song, which what's weird is when we get out, they gather around our campfire.

Then we're arm and arm singing church song. This kid that brought all the stuff, oh, he's singing. And I thought, you piece of garbage. He was just waiting to get back to his stash. I've never heard of that story. I have not heard of that story. I'll tell you this, I never got invited to another one. That the crew went on.

And, of course, I hadn't had my salvation moment. I hadn't come to Jesus. It was just, I thought, okay, this is, we're big boys now. Yeah. When the, when the beer and the dope and the naked women show up, that's pretty well, the sign that things have changed. Yeah. And independent of how you're at you.

So, Crystal, there you are. There you go. That's some things you can kick around in your own mind. Just remember, I don't know how old you are, but just reel back a few years and you'll come up with a date on when the sending started or thereabouts. Right. I think it's pretty evident with all people, if they're honest. So thank you, Crystal, for the question.

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