Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 257 | Jase 'Pillages' a Fan's Yard, How to Worship Like a Prostitute & Equality vs. Favoritism

Episode Date: April 11, 2021

Jase goes metal detecting with his buddies and ends up in the yard of an "Unashamed" listener who hands him a big check. Phil, Jase, and Al break down what happens when a culture faces impending doom, social justice, the difference between favoritism and equality, and the definition of God equality. And Jase is on board with an edgy T-shirt idea — "Worship Like a Prostitute" — as long as one edit is made. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right. I have, I brought some display things today. So if you're just listening, we'll have to tell you about it. Because yesterday, I went metal detecting. And I have quite the story. What happened was we went last week. Dad, are you shocked that Jay says a story? You know, he's going to go down in infamy for the man who never ran out of stories. I'm not sure how to take that, Phil. Yeah, never run out of story. I said, well, that right there pretty well going to wind it up.

He said, oh, no, I got another one. Well, I'm not sitting on the sidelines. I understand. I'm living. I've noticed the materials you're digging up. I just thought I'm looking at the materials you dug up yesterday. So for the listeners, I have a display of various parts of history that were lost. But guess what?

They've been found. Why is it that always every time what you dig up, what's accentuated, that's a pretty good size word, but what seems to be the focus of your diggings is that there's always a lot of bullets? It's a violent world, Phil. It is sobering. It is to me. I'm looking at it. Because look, I only kept the Civil War.

These are, I think they're 58 caliber, three ringers, most of them. There's a couple different. There's some what they call mini balls, a little round. Then there's some buckshot in there. You see those. Why are the bullets always there in that quantity? Because for the untrained mind, that's my mind for people who dig into dirt. but I'm just looking at it.

I say it seems to me that if you spread nationwide, there are a lot of bullets. A lot of bullets. I probably found this many, and I have, what, 40 here? I probably found that many modern bullets. Of course, I don't keep those. Just the actual bullet. And then I would say at least 20 holes,

like shotgun shell hole, Of course, the only thing that's left, the plastics are gone. There's a few, the guy that was with me, one of the guys, he kept a couple of shotgun shell holes because they had little pins on the side of them. He's like, oh, those are old. Those are more rare. Of course, I have these guys, you know, the average. Wouldn't you attribute that mostly to hunting, probably? I mean, not as much where you're hunting is not as much warfare as just people hunting, I guess.

Hunting and just shooting, you know? I'm out there. I mean, our roots seem to be tied if you dig up the earth and no one has seen this particular material over the last couple hundred years. It all arrived when humanity started coming from Europe and the country started to develop. Well, the bullets seem to be stand out in whatever error you're in. I'm thinking, man.

But a lot of it has to do with, you know, we have the right to bear arms. That's probably a lot of it. It's in our Constitution. Of course, nowadays, you know, some of these people and some of these cultures, they think that means wear sleeveless shirts. You know, they're oblivious of that kind of constitutional. I got that, James. The right to bear arms.

I think I went over Phil's head, right? You did. I'm thinking, wonderful. Bear arms, bare arms, sleeveless. Yeah. I got to stay up with me. I have more than stories. We'll go with one.

Let's see if we've heard it before. So a couple weeks ago, we go to this place. It was this old house, one of these old plantation-type houses. And I only bought a couple things that I found in the yard there, which one of them was a nice silver quarter. So this is found near the Mississippi River. Yeah. and so I found this I thought this was cool

this is a studa baker which I was sitting here going stud stud baker stud my the guys they were they all knew what it was

but I was like before your time the studa baker and the guy said it's a studebaker key fob of course I mean I was like

what what is that it's a car and I found like this silver plated spoons It was good. I found some other things. But I had to leave and they kept going and they were getting permission from the adjoining houses. And well, they ran up on some Civil War stuff.

And so then we went back because they found that right for dark. So they're like, we're going back. We found a campground from the Civil War. And they found actually there was a grave there that had just in the guy's yard. said general somebody and they they were so excited so we went back yesterday so i just thought i'd show you i found a few bullets you know a skeleton key a pocket knife what i thought was ironic and then i found a a kid's play gun because it really wasn't a there wasn't a house an old house site there that we know of but i'm sure you know people play and i mean i found uh some of these heads

off of porcelain dolls. I mean, I'm just not sure what the fascination was with porcelain dolls. But I had a few buckles and a pocket knife. And so we find all this. Well, and I found a Civil War button, which I thought this was cool, a World War I button. And then this golden age button, which I didn't know what that was. But this was just a fancy gold glitch button that they would,

the, you know, the high and mighty would wear. So that's pretty cool. So anyway, I'm down there digging in a... So does that mean that, like, because you just spread out over 70 years of history, does that mean that that was different people probably that lived in that area? Because if you got a Civil War Bullet, I mean,

a button, but also World War I, you think that's just different people that have lived in that same area? It just doesn't really make sense. I mean, we were... I think some of this stuff was more from that plantation house that it just sifted down. Because we weren't, I mean, we were 100 yards from it, 150. Because in the guy's yard that he's on it, they've only been living there four years.

And they had a manufactured house. And he's like, to my knowledge, I had never been a house here. But, you know, I found five wheat pennies in the yard. I mean, where, where did they come from? you know so i mean now i found a lot of modern coins too but just people you just don't realize how much stuff is in the ground really that doesn't make much sense but all this the civil war stuff it was deep so it was really hard to find the signal but anyway we're down there digging i'm i'm we got a pretty good size hole going and the guy pulls up and he's like hey i said hey

how you doing i'm jace he said i own this place but the way he said it i thought oh do we have permission to be i had no idea i was like awesome i love it thanks for letting us dig he said nothing like coming home to people pillage in your yard but he's let it with a straight face and he just took off like spun his will and then he stopped to look you know on up the way and he said i got something to give you i thought well where is this going so he comes He went into his house because now I'm kind of looking around like for my buddies thinking, are we sure we're supposed to be here? And so he'd come out of his house.

You're thinking friend or foe, friend or foe. And he had a check in his hand. And I looked at it and it said, pay to the order of the Mia Moo fund, which is my daughter's charity. And it was for a thousand bucks. Where you know. And I was like, what's the story here? He said, I had a cleft. lip and pallet. He said, I know exactly, you know, what your daughter is going through. And he actually

had listened to the podcast, but he didn't know I was going to be there. He had given permission for my buddies to come, but nobody mentioned me. But what he said happened, he said, his wife, when she was pulling out, she called him and said, look, all these treasure hunters are back. And she said, you're not going to believe who's with them. And she said, she said my name, because I didn't know the backstory, which was since he had had a cleft lip and pallet. He, you know, started following us on the podcast because somebody had said, hey, they have a charity, you know, for kids with a cliff, lip and paladin. He said, so I started, you know, he said, I'm a believer.

And, you know, my heart feels for those kids that have been through it. So I was like, I mean, I got a little bit choked up. I'm not going to lie. because he was he just started telling about his journey which what's amazing he has a beard i i would have never you know known it and uh so i said boy you how old was he come uh how bad as you about stuff like that he's had two little kids so i'm going to say maybe 30 25 30 somewhere in there but uh spectacularly nice good good people and they got a kick out of seeing what was in there which they were shocked i mean we're

we're having all this stuff because at about that moment the guy who got permission he starts cackling you know he's down and he's got quite the hole and he said i have found the mother load of bullets and we went over there and evidently they had dug a hole for whatever reason and dumped a whole box of these bullets, which I felt like an idiot because I hunted 10 hours and found 30, 40 bullets. He dug 106 out of that hole. They were all rowed up.

I took a picture of it. The hole was probably, ended up being four foot deep probably, because it just kept going, kept going, and kept going. Something having to do with the war. Yeah. Baring your ammo, hiding your ammo. They dumped.

of what they call a cachet of bullets. That's what I was thinking. That's a cachet. That was their little fallback spot or something where they had their bullets out there. You know, I'd tell you that story because what was strange to me is, because I asked him embarrassingly,

but I was like, well, you want a picture or something? I mean, he's giving me $1,000. I've pretty much pillaged his yard and have holes in every direction. You know, I mean, I'm feeling. kind of bad here at this point. And he's like, no, I don't, I don't do it. I could tell you it's feeling bad by the volume of holes you were making. Yeah. He said, I don't do, I don't do celebrity pictures, you know, which I felt like, oh, well, because I wouldn't either. I mean, would you,

would you take a picture? I told him my famous line. The only person I'd wait in line for is Jesus. Outside of that, no, I'll wave and that's fine. But, He said, no, I'm not really in that. He said, but it is strange. He said, I met your uncle sigh. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. You know, that's a joke. But I was like, you know, his wife was saying, well, you should meet Jace at some point.

And he's like, you know, I just feel like if the Lord works that out, he'll work it out. Well, he told me that story. I was like, and I showed up in your yard. So, I don't know. I thought it was pretty inspiring story. So then I told him, I said, well, that's why I'm over here. I mean, this metal detection is a hobby, I said, but, you know, helping, finding somebody that wants to help some kids and some families and hearing your journey of faith.

And he was telling me about, you know, he's in a small group, I will study. And, you know, this podcast helps them. So, I mean, it was just an inspiring day. So I thought I would share. Great story, Jay. You know, you call that, you call that. You call that divine appointment, Jay. Yeah, I think so.

Well, I told you, the longer I walk with the Lord, the less I believe in accidents. And I believe when you look at the book of John and the book of Acts that we're studying, I believe these are God-orchestrated meetings of these people. I mean, if you read Acts 17 and take it word for word when in Paul's sermon to the unknown god which we did a podcast on a few few times ago he said he determined the exact places where we should live and the exact times set for them well what does that mean it's just hard for us to wrap our head around that yeah i always thought let's take a break i always thought jays that at the big level, like it's the God of time and space.

In other words, he is in control of everything. And it's interesting you brought up about Acts because today we're going to start in Acts 13 and kind of just do a flyover of Paul's first missionary journey. But, you know, over and over throughout this text that we're going to be looking at, Paul would say we were prompted by the Holy Spirit to do this or we were prompted to go here. A door was closed. We were going to go there. He had a vision about a guy in Macedonia.

to your point, I think you even see from the early church in the beginning that God lays these things out. And it's up for us to figure out exactly what he wants us to do. You know he's got the plan in place. So I think that's interesting, just like that. I mean, just like what you experienced yesterday. Yeah. I had made the point, you know, before that I used to thought, think that I had to go to look. But I'm like, people, you're around people every day. And if you believe that God is in control. These people are opportunities. And, you know, we're looking at these missionary journeys of these guys, but they were basically just going to where people were and sharing Jesus, which I don't see is any different. But I tell you another thing, it also validated my thoughts about giving

because, you know, I've said many times, if you're having to try to get up and preach sermons that somehow makes people feel guilty or obligated to give, which is a direct contradiction to Scripture. I reiterate right here. This guy, he is moved by helping kids because he's been through that, and he decided in his heart what to give, and you didn't have to do that. I'm thinking from a church perspective, you have the greatest motivation in the history of the world, which is the story of Jesus.

When people buy into that, and I'll give you an example, when I recommended that show that's out called The Chosen, and they just started season two, I believe, this week, because my wife is like, why aren't you watching this? But I was like, it's a technical issue. You put it on my phone, but I don't want to watch it on my phone. how do I get it on the TV? But anyway, we got that lined out. But she told me something last night,

which I thought was interesting. Because usually when we, you know, spend a pretty good portion of money, we'll have a conversation. But she went on her own with this, and I loved it. And she said, oh, FYI, I sent them a check for 500 bucks.

And so evidently, how they make the show is they just take contributions from people who like their show, which I like this. So I thought to myself, now I spent a movie, if you watch a movie, it was a movie cost,

minus the popcorn and drink because that goes from about 20 to 80. So how much does that cost, Dan? When's the last time you saw a movie in the theater? Dad probably knows that. I hadn't been to a movie theater. My man is saying $10.

So far back. Oh, 10 ahead. Yeah, I don't remember that. I don't even remember being in a, I don't, I don't, I don't, not part of my school. They still do it. So what's interesting to me.

But what I was going to say is I spent 500. If somebody said, well, you watch a show, it's going to cost you $500. People say, what? I would never watch that. Because we're giving, because we like this, I will pay $500 for you to keep doing this. And look, she didn't ask me that. I said, good job, babe. Because that's the kind of giving I'm talking about.

That's where you're hard and your passion. They're doing a show well done about Jesus and his interaction with people in a non-cheasy way. What struck me in just the big picture is as you dig in the earth and you come up, it's a trail and you look back at human history on things that have happened. One thing I thought of just in when they was talking about it, other words the fact that god raised jesus from the dead never to decay is stated in these words i will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to david stated elsewhere you will not let your holy ones see decay you can dig in the earth all over the entire planet al from now to the end of time

but you say you'll never find the bones of the decayed remains of jesus christ gosh, he beat death. He conquered death. And you say, boy, when you look at it like that, he said, look, you scoffers wonder and perish, for I'm going to do something in your days during the days of the Roman Empire that you would never believe, even if someone told you. Well, they're all telling them about it, but they're all being attacked for it. And the very thing that God said would be the centerpiece of the entire story about his son, Jesus becoming flesh, is that his remains are not here. He lives on death being conquered.

You would never believe it if someone even told you. So they're telling them, they're telling them but a lot of scoffering, a lot of scoffers going on to this day. They're still scoffing about it. To your point, Dad, that makes it different from every, other world religion as well because most religions are built on a prophet or built on a person, but every other one went in the ground and stayed there. You know, the teachings may have followed on, the books they wrote may have gone on, their thoughts may have gone on and are still present today, but they all went in the ground

and stayed there. And that's the one difference I think about Christianity that makes us so unique. And of course, obviously makes it more believable to us is that he did raise. and so will we. And so that's unique to all those religions. And he said, yeah, David was a great guy, king, the king of the Jews. But he said, he died. And the place where he's buried is still there.

You know what I'm saying? Well, what's interesting, Phish, you've quoted this verse because we're in Acts 13. And we're going to take a more overview approach from here on out because it's basically they're just going from town to town and different things occur. Same message. But that's a quote from Habakkuk. I don't even know how to say. It's a book in the Bible.

I'm not even sure how to pronounce. But, and I don't know if you're familiar with Habakkuk, Al. But I feel like I need to say it with that Israeli like Habakkuk. More sinus. But, you know, when you read that prophecy, It's an interesting book because it's Habakkuk is saying, Lord, why are these bad things happening on the earth? And he gives all his complaints, you know. And then the Lord, his first reply is like, well, and that's where this quote comes from, is not only that, I'm going to rise up.

I'm going to take a nation of Babylon and rise them up against you, even though they're worse than you are. And so then he complains again. Then he complains again. Well, like, this is not making sense. And it made me think when you said that about all these bullets in the ground, you're looking. And it's really about, you're talking about social injustice. Habakkuk's whole point for blaming God is why is all this stuff going up? on, that's wrong. And in that conversation, the Lord makes it plain that, yeah, that's going on

and it will continue, but that's going on because you're not trusting me. If you trust me, he's almost like saying, and I'll let you read it for yourself for all our listeners, and see, it's almost like he's saying, yeah, but I'm allowing that to happen so that you will realize that they have nothing. And he lists the problem. They shed an innocent blood. They're getting drunk. It's the same things that are going on.

He's like, he's getting drunk so they can all look at each other's nudity. I mean, it's stuff like, I mean, the Lord's saying it, not me. And he just, they keep going through this cycle. And so finally in the chapter three, Habakkuk is like, you know what? I'm going to trust in you. I mean, that's the story. But somewhere in there that quote. Yeah, historically, the time frame that Habakkuk was writing this, Jay, and you're

right, you talk about impending doom. You know, I saw the CDC director the other day, said, impending doom. That was the word she used for us, you know, with another corona wave, supposedly. But they were looking at impending doom because Babylon was about to capture basically the best and brightest of the whole country. And so they're looking at it as we're done here. I mean, North Israel was already gone. Judea was all that was left.

And they had all these promises of the Messiah, and they're like, what do we, I mean, there's no way we can come out of this. And it's exactly what happened. I mean, Nebuchadnezzar came in, dragged them all off to Babylon, and it looked like it was over. But again, just like we talk about all the time, there was this small remnant. Daniel was there and, you know, Shadratt, Meshachachin and Betigo, all these people of God. And then ultimately, he returned them to Israel, of course, set the stage for Christ. So, you know, every time you face impending doom as a culture, you've got to know that God

ultimately wins always, no matter what. Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting that, you know, we went down that road just because, you know, Paul gives a sermon. Well, it's the same sermon every time. It just has different bells and whistles to his audience. I mean, he's basically going to go back to basically what Habakkuk had reasoned. that in your search for truth, in your search, you know, for direction and for motivation to do what's right,

you're going to have to go with God and here's why. And he tells the story of Jesus and he's freed us from the law. And he tells the history. He goes through the whole history of Judaism here in his sermon. Yep. He mentions David. Hey, Jay, let's take a break. He mentions David. He mentions the judges. Because in the end, in any culture, we're trying to find a way to obtain righteousness and equality and justice and all these things.

But they try to get it through man-made constructs instead of just trusting in God. Exactly. Their view or lack their up. That's why I have these empires. They keep climbing to the top and then they disappear. They keep climbing to the top and they disappear. It's based on their attitude toward the God of heaven every time. Yeah, I agree. You know what I find interesting now?

You may know the history of this more than me. But some of the verses you don't really notice in the Bible. It's like the first two verses of chapter 13, he lists the people who were there as five guys. Well, I was researching this. Well, two of these were either from Africa. Africa or, you know, my point is when you do the history of who these men were, this guy, Simeon called Niger, which was when I read the history, well, he was from what we call today, Nigeria.

And so you have two men of color and three, I guess, brown, whatever, you know, their skin color. But nobody has the same skin color here. And this is the group. This is God's assembled group. And it wasn't like they were going around saying, oh, we're going to all come together. They had come together in Jesus. And favoritism was out. And favoritism is out, which is really the point in our culture today.

The side of people who don't believe in Jesus in this movement, I mean, I heard a professional golfer because it's the week of the matter. masters say yesterday he came out and said you know we're you know we need to pursue social justice inequality he kind of had a speech well it got a lot of a PR because you know he's like I'm drawing a line in the sand we got to accomplish that but I thought to myself are we after equality or are we after favoritism you know if I because I feel like in Jesus I view everybody with true equality because the definition of God equality is we all came from the same place. We all make mistakes. We all need Jesus.

We can all live forever. We, you know, we all share those qualities which allows me to treat everyone as a love for my neighbor. From one man, God made every nation of men. Right. But it's like in our culture, when something bad happens to a certain group of people that they've designated outside of a godly view, they don't want equality. They want favoritism. That's what it seems like. Because if I, even the way I treat my family, a lot of people would be offended.

You know, some of the things I've said to Willie, you know, but I'm doing it because I love him and we laugh at each other because we know it's, you know, it's, we're not politically correct to each other. But if you do that in our culture, oh, somebody's going to start throwing rocks at you. So I'm like, I'm treating you equal. But they're like, no, I want you to treat me favorably better than you would treat. And so that's what I'm saying, because in the end, we all make mistakes anyway. And I'm all for everyone having the exact opportunity to flourish in this country. I just feel like it's going to happen at a greater level if you do it through the filter of Jesus. You are correct.

I'll give you a verse that proves that. Colossians 3. I don't know if we've read this before when we've talked about this. I just found it interesting that before this speech even started, you had five guys from different cultures and different skin colors. And nobody makes a big deal of that. But I think that's a big deal back when, just like it is today, being prejudiced and showing favoritism was a huge deal back then.

And very little has changed. But Colossians 3 says, which Jesus, Jesus, is the image of God, Colossians 1. Colossians 2, we all participate in it. We all die, are buried and raised with Jesus. We're not under law. Colossians 3, since we've been raised with Christ, we set our mind on things above. So he comes down, and he talks about how our life is. We put to death the sinful nature, and we put on the new self. Well, verse 10, it says, well, verse 9 says, don't lie to each other since you've taken off your old self with its practices and then put on the new self, which is being renewed in the knowledge, in the image of

the creator. And here's my point about equality. Here, where's here? In Jesus, the new self, there is no Greek or Jew circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, what is Scythian? Scythian. Skithian. What is that?

Skithian. Skittian. I don't know. I guess it would be the opposite of barbarian. One of these many groups that make up all of us coming from one man. Slave or free, which, you know, in biblical days was more the classes of people. Either you have people working for you or you're working for that person. But Christ, and here's the filter, but Christ is all and is in all.

I mean, to me, that's the equality I'm striving to promote to combat. social injustice and the bad things that happen. That one will work. That one will work. This is the blueprint right here. You've got four books to choose from, Matthew, Martin, Luke, or John to see how he treated people. Be inspired.

That's a great point, Jess. Let's take another break. And to your point, everybody we're reading about for a long time in all the New Testament were people of color one way or the other. And so, you know, our T-shirt people, I wish I had a T-shirt that said, I worship a man of color because Jesus was a man of color from the Middle East. Yep.

So it just doesn't make any. Look, I had a buddy yesterday is interesting. You said that. My buddy from Kansas, he called me yesterday. He said, hey, we're doing a, they're doing some kind of ministry where they're helping. people that kind of the rehabbing crowd you know and he said I'm printing up some shirts he said but one of the leaders at the church he said I shouldn't do it and I want to get your opinion I was like

go for it what's what's the shirt say and he said the work the shirt says worship like a prostitute I said is that it he said he said Yeah, you know, and then he started telling me the story when Mary cried and white Jesus's feet with tears and poured the perfume. And he's like worship like that. I was like, here's what I'm going to recommend. Put the scripture reference under that statement and I'm in. He said, well, I thought that was understood. I said, no, you didn't say.

And then I put a scripture reference. I said, you put a scripture reference? I said, it's kind of edgy, but I like it. I mean, he was saying, so I mean, it makes you uncomfortable. Like what you're saying, Al, I mean, that wouldn't make me uncomfortable at all. But it does scream out. God does not show favoritism. God doesn't show favoritism.

I'm sorry that God's love makes you uncomfortable. comfortable, but if that's true, then maybe I'm not sorry. Yep. Because really, that's why I keep going back to what people don't realize is if we all agree that one of the things we share as a human race is that we're going to make mistakes, well, the only way we're going to truly have a quality is we've got to figure out what we're going to do about that. Yeah.

Take away forgiveness, Sal. Yeah. And you've taken away the only thing that will heal. the soul. You take away forgiveness and you're done. That's right. You're done. Well, that's what I'm saying from the other, the people that I disagree with who are out there holler and say, we need to do something about it. You don't have a plan. There's no, because their plan, when I listen to it, I'm like, that doesn't sound like equality. That sounds like favoritism.

Yeah. The people of God come from a vast network of humanity, Al, and the one thing that stands out about them, several things. They all sin. and they all die, yet they all count time by Jesus. But bringing them together is quite the ordeal, as it turns out, because we are ready to cancel, but slow to forgive and move on. I mean, I could make a list of 10 things. I was going to say, Zach and I were talking recently. Zach and I were talking, and, you know, he used the term I loved it.

He said, you know, everybody's talking about social justice. I wish we could shift the conversation to social murder. Because that's what we, I mean, when we look at justice from God, we're saying, man, we understand justice and the important of it, but we're striving for mercy because we're imperfect. And so we should seek the same thing from our fellow man as we seek from the Almighty. I want mercy, not justice. Plus going back to the shirt, Jace, if you look at the lineage of Jesus, I don't know what you're going to do with Rahab, the prostitute. You see what I'm saying? Well, of course.

She fits in there somewhere. As uncomfortable as I was when he first said it, when I got to thinking about it, I was thinking of the same woman that the point of the shirt was about. I thought, I see where you're going there. And the fact that it's edgy and gets people's attention, I'm for it. I was like, but I wouldn't put a Bible verse there

because I think if you don't have that connection, I don't want people's minds to think, oh, this guy, boy. He's into something naughty. Jesus is for everyone. That's the point. So I think we could come up with 10 verses on the definition of equality from the Bible that I think we should pursue. I'll give you one example, Philippians 2.3, do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit.

But in humility, consider others better than yourselves. But that goes both ways. So if we're all going to come together, and of course that's based on Jesus because he's the filter, because then it says your attitude should be that as of Christ Jesus, which is my point. Again, what you're going to see over and over and over and over, you're going to go to his qualities and how he interacted with people, and you're going to find the way to truly treat people. That's better than anything you can come up with, whether you believe it or not. I mean, who doesn't like that? I've asked many a man and woman, what's the downside of loving God and loving your neighbor?

And all of them, Al, you know what response I get? Silence. Silence. What's the downside of loving God and loving your neighbor? And, Jay, look, it's always silence. Yeah. I think what people are missing is you can read the Bible and you can read these stories and try to figure out what, you know,

you can map out all the strategies and of how they did and know all the facts. You know, they had this weird encounter with Bar Jesus who basically they gave his spiritual qualities. And every quality, it reminds me of that story that Habakkuk was talking about, was the exact opposite of being godly. Yep. He's like, you're a child of the devil. you love evil. I mean, it was just like a,

everything you're doing is wrong. You're the complete opposite of what God wants you to be. But I think if you read these stories and if you just think about the places they're going and you miss the one point, which you said even before we started filming this today, they were introducing a person who is a supernatural being. And the places were in. insignificant, but they were just going where people were.

This was all about a relationship that produced relationships with a being that they had wrong, in this case, that most of these people had wrong. They had viewed God under the old system, and they had everything tied to the places of worship, which is why I'm saying this about the person versus the place. And it reminds me what Jesus said in John 4 to the woman that Jews were not supposed to be associating with who had a very bad past. It had been married six or seven times and was living with a guy that wasn't her husband. What in the world is Jesus doing with her in the middle of the day out in public? And they have this conversation about there will come a time where you won't worship here or there.

this mountain or the other one. It won't be about a place. You'll worship in spirit and in truth, but we know, based on what happened after that, that happens in people. That, Jayce, was a breakthrough. Breakthrough. Yeah.

It's kind of the pattern that you see here. Let's take one last break. Yeah, and I think you're right, Jason. I think, you know, do you find it ironic that Bargeesus, who you mentioned, who had all these bad qualities, that Paul struck him blind and said he looked at everything and looked like a mist. And I wondered if that's because that's what got Paul's attention. You think he was like saying, well, I tell you what, here's what got me when all of a sudden

I couldn't see for three days. I think it's a great point. So get you some of that. Since you're blind, I'll give you a dose of it where you'll appreciate what you can't see. Well, he just, now he has this power. And look, they were able, I mean, my opinion, y'all can give y'alls. we were under a different set of systems of how the Holy Spirit worked back then. I mean, the Holy Spirit sounds like to me from reading this.

I mean, he was dictating policy verbally out loud. But to me, that wasn't a big thing because all these people had seen the resurrected Lord. You know, and other people are hearing thunder. Oh, no, that's God talking to me. Now, I've had people say that God, was talking to them, but most of those people were behind bars because it, they, they thought it was God, but it was kind of a bar Jesus. And so I'm always a little skeptical when they're like, well, the Holy Spirit told me to do something and it has nothing good. You know, there's evil

involved. So, I mean, we all, we all know that. But I just think it's crazy that he had the power to do that and God gave them that kind of power because I don't know how I would be able to handle that. But what was more important was for him to introduce Jesus to people and for him to come up on people who were claiming to be godly and saying, all right, let me just give you the list here. You're a child of the devil. You're an enemy of everything that is right. you're full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. So now the Lord will be against you and you're going to be blind.

And for a time you'll be unable to see the light of the sun. It is worthy of note that the pro-counsel that this guy worked under our work with, bar Jesus, it ends up by saying the pro-counsel saw what had happened. he was looking at bar of jesus he believed for he was amazed at the teaching about the lord so it came back to the message that they were proclaiming this guy's in the way check this out blind him and the pro counselor's over observing all this he said you know what i think i'm on the wrong side of this thing so he moved on a jace yeah yeah sometimes a sometimes a little curse will get your attention yeah but you know what's amazing

that happened, Paul preached Jesus, and then the leaders of the city, they didn't like it. No. Scared them. And so in verse 49, speaking of social injustice, you know, the word of the Lord spread through the whole region, but the Jews incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. they stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnumus and expelled them from their region. So they shook the dust from their feet and protesting against them and went to Iconium and the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit. I always found that funny.

It's like, how does a Christian let you know he's mad? He just shakes the dust off his feet. It's like the most harmless act. I mean, here they are. persecuting them. We'll see. It gets worse. Stoning's beating. But they were angry. They just shook the dust off their feet and kept moving. Well, and it's kind of the same pattern that you see here and you closed it perfectly because Paul will come into town. He usually goes to the synagogue first because that's where he finds the most common. You know, they both serve Yahweh and he was a Jew.

So he tells them about Jesus. Some will tend to listen sometimes most time they want. Then he goes out into the marketplace usually gets a crowd and then the Jews who didn't agree with them are jealous they stir up the tension so we're going to see this repeat itself over and over and over again through every journey every journey but but like you said jays every time people wind up believing through the process so they are spreading the seed as they go i think that's why they were equipped barnabas and saw paul spent considerable time there at arconium and for the Lord who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. The people of the city were divided, some sided with the Jews, others with the Apostle,

but there was a plot of foot about the Gentile. I mean, it's just, it's difficult then and to almost identical to it is the same thing we run into, years later. Yeah. And we proclaim the message. Same thing, guys. No difference. Nothing different.

And don't you find it interesting that in chapter 14 when he gets diaconium that in one instance, the Gentiles there are deifying. I mean, they want to make them gods. They're saying we want to bow down to these guys. They can do all these great things. And then as soon as there was some incitement and all of a sudden the Jews came in, those same people that wanted to make them gods, drug them outside. of the city and stone Paul.

Yep. I mean, you're talking about going from God to nothing to be, you know, all of a sudden it was like, you know, and that changed in one day. Which is my point. When there's no umbrella of what true equality is, this is the kind of stuff you get into. You're lashing out with people that you don't agree with because they're different or they're saying things that, you know, what happened to freedom? of speech and freedom of opinion back here.

I mean, but these guys declaring Jesus as Lord was literally a threat to their life. I mean, what happened just saying, okay, that's good for you, see you? Nope. Not only do we not like it, if you don't stop doing that, we'll persecute you, we'll ruin your reputation, and if you keep it up, we'll kill you. I mean, that's the way life has been going on. Well, I started off to make this connection. And the whole point was to give them immortality,

which you think if immortality was riding on it, they would at least say, well, maybe there's a change. But it's difficult. Yeah. But I started off showing you all this stuff, which, look, I love, I mean, it's a great hobby, and it's fun. You know, I had one little religious piece.

You didn't notice this, but it has a cross on it, and it looks like the picture of like Mary holding baby Jesus, but I mean, it's old. and because I thought it was just a it's not made of any kind of fancy metal but I thought of all that stuff I found you know I did find that that symbol of faith that there's people out there that have figured out the connection that God made not me and he tells this story in Luke 15 and you know we'll close with this just to tie this together but he's like suppose a woman has 10 silver coins and loses one She lights a lamp, sweeps the house, search carefully till she finds it. When she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors saying, rejoice with me. I found my lost sheep.

In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents. And the bottom line is, no matter how many ways you look at life and the earth and the culture and our history, what these guys were doing and what we're doing, and even what I experienced yesterday with the guy who donated to me as charity. These are the moments that's causing, rejoicing in heaven when you're putting Jesus as the center of your life and putting people under that umbrella and adopting his attitude.

You want to make the world a better place? That's how you doing. It wasn't my idea. That was God's example of, you want to have some fun, that's some joy. Try this. It is. I love it.

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