Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 26 | Phil’s Message to NFL Quarterback Drew Brees | Guest: Jim Daly

Episode Date: October 20, 2019

Jim Daly joins the show to talk about Focus on the Family and its recent controversy with NFL quarterback Drew Brees. Phil gives a history lesson on the Founding Fathers — and has a message to Drew.   See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unachanged What about you? You gotta go have coffee If I made as much money as Phil, I would buy a little better grade of coffee. He buys the cheaper coffee and then just Just load it to the top. Foldiers to the top.

Yeah, I've been putting a little of that express old thing y'all come up with it. Way better. Way better. It's trying to explain the roast concept of that. Once I figured out, that this calls a dollar there's a reason mine's causing five dollars

and yep I get it all right let's get to the chase where we're getting started here we're already started we're talking about your coffee so Jim daily welcome to the unashamed podcast I love it you get some of dad's special brew coffee you pass the test that you drank that you drank it and make a face or anything it tastes like home

I'm telling it's just like my wife's coffee what's funny is Jim's like yeah that my wife's like that She drinks coffee like y'all. And I was like, that's the first time I've ever heard that. She would love to come in a cup. So, Dana, where are you out of? Colorado, Colorado Springs. So this is what you could label when all the smoke clears running with the rednecks.

That's definitely, that'll fit. I like that. This is Green Acres. This is Lisa coffee. Yeah, exactly. So it's like mud. Jim is the president of dad of Focus on the family, which is a group that was started in the 70s by Dr. Dobson.

Yep. So, you know, back in the 70s, we were, Jim, we were watching Dr. Dobson on films. That's right. You know, those real to real films on Wednesday night. That's right. About marriage, about family. So it's a long tradition of that.

And I think, let's see. Jason, have you been on Jim show? Have I? Yep. You and your wife came on. Don't take that as the fact that I don't know. No, it's okay. I remember.

I wake up every morning and it takes me 20 minutes just to figure out where I'm at. That's because you need stronger coffee. Well, yeah. Well, this will do it. I mean, this is the worst tasting thing that I've ever tasted. You need a better grade of coffee. I'm telling you, they make stuff that's better. Is he adopted?

No, I'm drinking it. It's strong. I like it. It's just the wang. It's just chicken. You know, it's a New Orleans. The wang. He was marked.

He was marked as a while he was just out of the wound by his uncle. my brother, Silas Robertson. I'm baiting up a trot line across the Red River. I'm baiting my hooks. I'm baiting my hooks. And Cy pulls up on the bank over there. And I look over and see Cy Park there and he comes running over to the edge of the water.

And I'm in the middle of the river out there, baiting the line. I look up. He said, hey, he said, Miss Kay's having that baby. But she was talking about Jace. And I said, what do you want me do about it? I said, hey, it happens.

I've already done my part. Yeah, the compassion, the excitement. So, Si hollers out, well, what do you want to name him? She wants to know what you want to name him. I said, I baited another hook. I said, name him after you. He got into, took off. He was all three, and he said, good, nice.

So Jace came out, Jason Silas Robertson. He was marked from birth, and that's why he sometimes acts like he about half a bubble off. You know what I said. Is that a compliment? It's a compliment. An explanation. Sy's famous line is, boys, I've always acted like an idiot. He said, but I didn't think I'd ever find a bunch of fools that pay me to do it.

I love it. So, your side's favorite. So, Jeff, I'm his favorite. Oh, here we go. But they do have an affection, but it's like, you know, it's a fighting effect. They argue constantly. I'm arguing constantly. But you're, but y'all are close, too.

It's just a weird. Well, yeah. I think it's one of those deals. He loves to argue with me. But like he was Sunday, I preached at our local church. And Si was the amen section. So he loves you. He was really the only person in the audience that I thought was actually awake.

Well, we have two services. If you're preaching is only connecting to Sai, I don't know, maybe you need to go back and rework it. Well, Sa, you know what's weird is he doesn't have, we have one guy who's real emotional and charismatic. Our friend, Kurt Live, but he's. I love this guy. He's awesome.

And, uh, he'll scare you because he'll yell. Like in our church is not like super, you know, not a lot of yellers and hand raisers. So when he, when he goes into, Kurt goes into his mode, it's,

it's, it's jarring. I usually have to stop and say for the visitors that, that is our amen section. because he's just like, Jesus. It's with everything he's got. But Sa will just start talking loud. I mean, everybody's, but who knows what he's saying, you know?

And I was like, Sa, I'm preaching now. That's right, Jack. That's right, Jack. Well, it's more like, I don't know what he said. It was a couple of sentences. You know, he said something like, yeah, I mean, we're looking forward to it. You know, I don't know. He does, but he only does that, you notice he only does that when it's us, like with

Dad speaking or you're speaking or I'm speaking. It's like he can't help it. If somebody else is doing it, I've never heard him do it. But if it's like family, he feels like, well, this is my family. I can just put some commentary in there. He was doing that Sunday. Yeah. And so.

I've heard that. He'll argue, but when you get up and start speaking, he's like your biggest supporter. Right. He's pretty good. Well, to the task at hand. That's enough about old silence. Phil's getting control. Daily, I'm just reading here.

Focus on the family. Evangelism is your, y'all's values, marriage, biblical marriage, how to raise children, teach them all scriptures God breed, teach them, rebuke them, correct them, train them. So that's a great group of values here incorporated in your mission statement. Sanctity of life for crying out loud. I mean, give me a break. I mean, we have a country that's slaughtering their own offspring. You're like, what in the world?

Yeah. So kudos for that. Social responsibility, just doing good when you get up. Love your neighbor. Love your neighbor. Love God. Love your neighbor. I mean, who's going to look at you and say,

Do what? You're like, love God and love your neighbor. Why don't we try that? Reckoned about work. They're like, love God and love your, what? I mean, and finally, you know, it helps if you want to have a cohesive, vibrant society, if human beings knew are pretty confident of the fact that they were either male or female.

Absolutely. I mean, I said look in a mirror, stripping in the bathroom, look in the mirror and check things out. And I said, that should clear it up for you. But we live in these days, you're like, the ones who repent of that, by the way, when we're talking with them and they turned to God,

we ask them, did you know it was a lie the whole time? Did you know you were a male? And sometimes the female, did you know you were a female? All of them say, well, of course. the honest one said, well, yeah. Well, yeah, I knew. I just listening to fit in. Well, you were telling me that you have a lot of,

but that's really a great mission statement. You have a lot of individual relationships with people. Do. From the homosexual community. I mean, you guys are labeled, hate group, all this stuff, because you believe in traditional marriage in the Bible. But you have a lot of relationships, just like we do, where you're, you know, when you can get out of this sort of loud,

social media place of talking about this, you know, it's a different environment, don't you that? It is. And you know, God's a God of relationship. I think the whole thing is, you know, go and proclaim the gospel, right? You got to be talking to somebody when you do that. And I think it's been something I've tried to do is to reach out to those who see us as the opposition. Right. To go and meet with them. And so, yeah, I've developed some of those relationships. I've had dinner at my home with those people. Yeah. And it's very interesting when you meet with them. It's always out of pain. Yeah. One of the gentleman I'm closest to came from a Christian home, a farmhouse in Kansas.

And when he told his mom and dad he was gay, his dad said, I love you, but I never want to see you again, get out of my house. And, you know, he had to deal with that. So you talk about, okay, how do you see your heavenly father? Well, I don't. If it's anything like my earthly father, I don't want a relationship with him. Isn't that amazing? And I think the whole battle is trying to overcome that damage. Yeah. And show, like, love and show grace and to be a help of it. So I love this, Dad. So when I saw the focus mission statement, this could be our mission statement.

Listen to this. This is the mission statement for folks on the family. To cooperate with the Holy Spirit in sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with as many people as possible. I was like, if that's not the Robertson, and then their caveat what they focus on by nurturing and defending the God-ordained institution of family and promoting biblical truth worldwide. So, I mean, that's a great mission, David, but that's basically what we're trying to do.

You are so big at it and hate-filled. How could you say that? That's right. Isn't that terrible? Well, you know what happened with Drew Brees, right? I want to talk about that. I want you to tell us about that. So we have this thing every year called Bring Your Bible to School.

And this, October 3rd, it happened. Right. And we had 670,000 kids. October 3rd of this year? Yeah, it just happened. Yeah, you did. What was that? You were preaching somewhere.

You were still trying to wake up and trying to connect to preaching. But the amazing. But the amazing thing. So Drew Brees just chose to do this 22-second video. We didn't ask him to do it. He just said, hey, I'm going to do this for you. And he got on and he did it. It was on social media.

And people from the LGBTQ community began to attack him. How could you work with focus on the family? They're hate-filled people. And they weren't attack him what he said on the video at all. No, yeah. What did he say? He was just like- He quoted a scripture.

He quoted a scripture. He said, it's great for you to bring your Bible to school. I mean, 20 seconds. It was very. It was nothing controversial about the video, but the attack was because focus, it was their idea. Which I think here's the problem. I'd love your perspective on this. To me, some that oppose religious expression in the public square, they've mastered the art of the mafia shakedown.

So they're trying to intimidate Drew Brees basically to not associate with us. Right. You know, he had to make a choice. Right. I mean, he chose to stand with us. God bless him for doing that. But some people would buckle because they don't want that pressure. They don't want to be called out that way.

That's right. So they just kind of say, yeah, let's forget that focus on the family. Let's not work together. That's the shakedown. That's what it is. I mean, it's an intimidation. That's why they've tried to undermine the guys that founded the country, say what you will. If you got a group of individuals together at any time frame in history,

and they come up with the Democratic Republic, such as these United States of America and with the Constitution that we have, you'd say what you will. These guys were very intelligent. Very. I mean, it had never happened before. You'd never got a Democratic Republic like this one, ever. So watch.

Here's George Washington in the face of all of them getting mad at Drew Brees. Look, where, here. Here's George Washington, the first president. You do well. You do well. to wish to learn our arts and ways of life. He's talking about America. And above all, the religion of Jesus Christ,

this will make you a greater and happier people than you are. While we're zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, remember George Washington was a general, we certainly aren't not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. He said, that's the apex of it all. Make sure you understand what the Bible says, the Jesus that is told about in that story, to the distinguished character of patriot,

it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian. So if you start reading through this, I now make it my earnest prayer that God would most grecianly be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love, mercy, to demean ourselves, and that charity, humility, and Pacific temper of the mind, which were the characteristics of the divine author of our blessed religion.

That's the way these guys were talking, and 2000, 240 years later, Drew Brees, and make sure you bring your Bibles. And they're like, wow. That's a whole different perspective. It is. Put it together like that. That's why they try to undermine gentlemen like George Washington.

Yeah. Daniel Webster, John Adams, all the founding fathers. They all were God. Well, I preached my sermon Sunday. I made a point of what makes America great. And it's, you know, I quoted the Declaration of Independence.

You know, we hold these truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal. and it says, and they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And, you know, I talked about that life, how we, from God's perspective,

we've put a human life, unborn or born, above an animal's life, you know, and you go through that principle that's in Romans 1. And Romans 1 describes when you don't have that, what happens as a result? you know, you have chaos and evil in every way. But I was getting to a point of that is what makes our nation great. And, you know, we're proud of our nation.

And, you know, I would, I would, I've been to third world countries. I love living here. But my point was I got to Philippians 3 and talked about, but our citizenship is in heaven. And then I read Acts 17, you know, in Paul's explanation. there he says that God gives all men life and breath and everything else and he determines the places for them in the exact times they should be there so my point was we were made in in heaven and by God and we're made on purpose so you see all

these people in our world that are so confused about their identity or they don't feel worth anything when you start looking at like that from a grand plan all of a sudden your attitude about yourself starts changing yeah which I got to the point of we as followers of Jesus, we have a declaration of dependence. And I read John 112. I'll read it. I'd like to get your thoughts on it. But I had, I really never noticed it before, but I read it and it says, speaking of Jesus, yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. children born not of natural descent nor of human decision or a husband's will but born of God and so my whole lesson was

God created us he determined the time set for us the exact place we should live yes we love our country but we're from heaven and we're waiting for a savior to come back there and we're not confused about our purpose and so then I fused in this idea of being born again of getting God's spirit and letting three qualities of God, three characteristics of God's DNA, which is, I'm getting to my point here, life is one of his qualities. He doesn't decide to live. He just is life. That's why, you know, when Peter preached that sermon in Acts 2,

it said it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. He is life. Then I made a point about light. He is light, which I answered an argument that people who don't believe say, they say, well, how come God said let there be light? And then he didn't create the sun until the fourth day, which is a really good question. And, you know, I read Revelation 22. I went to the end of the story where it says, in the end, when Jesus gathers us together,

there'll be no night. and you will not need the sun it's an awesome text it says for he will be their life so I was like he is light he didn't just decide to turn the light switch he just is you know there's a verse says

he lives in unapproachable light and even the point about the Big Bang theory everyone agrees that there was some explosion of light they just focus on why when where we focus on who

and so that Then I got to love, which is my point, and God is love. It's not like, you know, people that say he loves some people and he don't love the other people. That would be impossible for him. He is love. He doesn't just pick a group and say, yeah, I love that group. And so I read the first John Ford.

He is love. It's not that we love him. It's that he showed through Jesus that he died for everybody. So that was the gist of, you know, what I shared. But I zeroed in on. gives you the opportunity to start over to be born again. And even my dad, when he went through that controversy over quoting 1st Corinthians 6th, when he was asked about, you know, homosexuals, your actual point was, yes, God loves everybody

and there is a way, you know, to be redeemed, to be washed, to be sanctified, and do it God's way. No matter what you're guilty of. Yeah, you were trying to share something positive. So that was the gist of my sermon, which is the same thing that you're sharing, you know, just from a lot better to look probably. That's pretty good. Think about it.

Think about it. You get chastised and maligned and vitriol is directed to you like Drew Rees because you said, bring your bibles. Here's Daniel Webster, U.S. Senator, Secretary of State, defender of the Constitution. the Christian religion, its general principles, must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society. Now, they have to breeze 200 years, 40, 240 years later

because they say, bring your Bibles, whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens. Who said this? This is Daniel Webster, who was a former... Was that Noah's brother? No, former U.S. Senator and, yeah, There's kin folks.

Really? Ken folks. I just been funny. To the free and universal reading of the Bible, men are much indebted for right views of civil liberty. He tried our freedom, our civil liberty, directly to the scriptures. The Bible is a book. It teaches man his own individual responsibility,

his own dignity, and his equality with his fellow man. I simply bring this up to show people that's the way they were talking 240 years ago. That's the way they were talking. And just look at the difference in a couple hundred years. Now people are, there's an outcry because some football player, a godly man, says, by the way, bring your Bibles. We're going to. And they're like, well, didn't know, Noah Webster's the one that said education is useless without the Bible. Correct.

That's why I was asking. All these Webster's, you say there's the Noah Webster. He come up with a dictionary. I mean, it's the – That was my joke. He wrote the dictionary. So therefore, when you have people like this and there are kin folks who come up with things like dictionaries, you say, and you have a group saying, oh, well, you get these Bible.

You're like, I think I'll go with the Webster's because they made far more sense to me. Jim, you just have to interrupt you. You jump in here. No, what I was going to say, though, the point Phil's making is so strong. And by kind of positioning it with the founding fathers and what they said and what Drew Brie said, I don't think we understand how far we've gone away from those basic understandings and fundamentals. Way too far. And when you say it that way with Drew Brie's in the founding fathers, my goodness, it's crystal clear.

That's right. How far we fall. What do you see? See, Al, these people wouldn't like our founders either. Right. They would hate that. And I don't think they voiced that. And so what happened in Breeze's case, he had to, about there was a couple of days of the, you know,

rancor. Yeah. And so then he did another video where he explained exactly what he meant, you know, and what he didn't mean, which I thought was good. He didn't apologize for anything. He just said, here's why I did this video. And that pretty much, you know, then it kind of Peters out. Well, and the two things he said in the video, which we picked up on, because we did a lot of media after that, especially on Fox, Laura Ingram and Hannity and all that. But the two things he said, hey, as a follower of Christ, there's two commandments I pursue.

And that's to love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. That's right. And we just reiterated that because that is true. That's true Christianity. He should have said, saints love the Bible. I play for the saints. I play for the saints, you idiot.

Don't you want to be a saint? So Jim, so then you went to a game. That Monday night game with the Texans, the opener. Yeah, the opening game. they invited you. So what was that? Well, we just went down. Well, number one, I had to leave four minutes. Did you ever been to a game in New Orleans before? Only the Sugar Bowl. Okay. Yeah, not a pro game. Okay. Yeah. So I went down there and it was a great game. Oh yeah. It was back and it was a great and forth, back and back and forth. And then about four minutes before the end, we had to go out and do the Ingram show. And I'm out there doing the show. And when I left, the Saints were ahead. Then they fell behind.

And then they came back and kicked a field goal. So, I mean, I missed the most critical part of the game. So Lord Ingram's like a spoiler. She's saying, hey, Guess what? They just won the game. I'm like, what? But it was good to, you know, be able to use that exposure. I think you played quarterback. I played quarterback. I love spiritually playing offense, not defense. I mean, why are we on our heels? We got the greatest news ever. I say play offense. Score touchdowns. Let's use the Drew Brees thing to make a point in the culture that's loving and kind. Hey, guess what? Jesus loves you. God loves you. Enough to die for you. And I found out since that happened, I've taught some pastors down South Louisiana. Breeze, when he's not during football season, he's speaking at some church all across South Louisiana. I mean, he is passionate about his face.

So, you know, and I'm so glad that he, you know, stood in the gap when he needed to and that you guys, you know. I just saw Breeze and as a ex-quarterback and I would see the preciseness of his throws, even in his 40s. I mean, when I say put it where it has to be, and I just thought to myself, I said, you know, when you got God on your side, the ball will go straighter. There's some theology there. The guiding hand of God is with Drew Brees,

because I've watched a lot of them. Well, Breeze is that a disadvantage. Both of y'all were quarterbacks. You're both tall, which most quarterbacks are. Because you've got tall a lot of them. And, you know, he's not very tall. He's like 5-11 or something. But you notice he gets up on his tiptoes when he throws the ball to try to make himself a little bit.

What we all need to remember is, in fact, this is good for you, Drew. Everyone, including you, dude, who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. Yeah, there you got. There is no way around it. So if I were Drew, I would just take that as a badge of honor. They all got after me here four or five years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's all he said.

He said, one of my favorite verses in the Bible is 2nd Corinthians 5-7, for we live by faith, not by sight. So I want to encourage you to live out your faith on bring your Bible to school day and share God's love with friends. You're not alone. Yeah, that's awesome. So hate-filled. I mean, I can just feel the hate dripping off.

of that state. There was no hate there. I mean, come on. I know it's ridiculous. I'm like Biden. I mean, come on, man. Well, I was looking for the smoking gun, but there's no smoking gun. And he had to follow that up, you know, with a. Hey, Drew. I don't think I would have. Somebody's got to get this to

Drew Breeze, by the way. It's his dad's addressing you dress. I'll get it to him now. Drew, uh, read second Timothy three, but mark this, meaning you might ought to jot this down because this is where it's going to be. Listen to this. there will be terrible times in the last days.

Let's see. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, you say. They slandered a man. Yeah, they did. Slanderous. Without self-control. Just a sexual, free-for-all in every direction.

and brutal, not lovers of good, treacherous rash, conceded lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. They have a form of godliness, but they deny its power. And then he says, Paul to Timothy, have nothing to do with them. Just forgive them and go on down the road and never look back. I think the problem is you've got a lot of religious people that are mean, judgmental, missed it, country mile. Yeah.

But then these groups will lump everybody who is associated with the Bible to those few groups out there who are giving God a bad name. By the way, for a guy, we talk about living out your faith, which is what he said. Last year, when he broke the record for the most yards in the NFL, which is huge. I mean, thinking about all the quarterbacks that have come before, Drew Breeze is done for more yards than any of them. And in that moment when they stopped the game or a Monday night game, he went over and knelt down to his two boys.

Oh, yeah. And he made that moment about them. He was like, see what I've been telling you, boys? You can accomplish anything. You work hard. I mean, he gave them a little. And to me, that said something about the character of that guy. I mean, I was in tears watching it because I thought, you know,

most athletes are about, look what I just accomplished. which, and it was amazing. He had nothing for him. He was like, let's pass that on to these two boys of mine and tell them, this is what happens when you're the man you need to be. And I can't remember his exact words. But it was powerful. And I thought, now there's a guy that's living his faith out on the biggest of stages

because everybody's watching to see if he's going to break the record. And you know, that character, I interviewed him for focus on the family. And that character that he has now was developed in the Valley because he had such a tough childhood. Really? I don't know much about it. His dad died or left the family. His mom was not healthy mentally.

And he raised his younger brother. And then somebody died, his mom just died a few years ago. Right. But they had a really difficult relationship. I mean, he had a really rough childhood. And amazingly,

he and his brother talked about playing in the college world series of baseball. And his brother actually was a walk-on. I can't remember the university and played. And Drew Brees showed up. What we need to remember, Al, is through. it all, here's Jesus, God in a human body walking on planet Earth for 33 years. You could see him walking down the road. You could listen to him. You could touch him. You say, he never makes a

mistake, not one, and look what they did to him. Yeah. Good point. So when you look at it like that, you say, you know what, there's going to be vitriol and hatred. That's just that. There is a devil along with their being a god. But again, it's this modern insanity. So let me give you another story. I know a guy, Keith Becker. Todd Becker, his older brother, died drunk with two of his football buddies in high school in Kearney, Nebraska. So his younger brother, Jason, you might want to listen to this one.

I'm listening. I'm trying to figure out who Drew Breese's brother. I'm telling that story. This guy, Todd Becker's younger brother, Keith Becker, starts a foundation, goes around to six, 700 high schools in the Midwest, Friday high school. assembly talking about the impact of alcohol and drugs and what happened to his family and the death of his brother and two of his football buddies and how it ended their lives. And then they simply say, if you want to come to a concert tomorrow night, it's going to be at the Baptist Church

in town here. So it's all opt in. And the schools have done this for years. He starts getting letters these schools do from the ACLU saying if you have Keith Becker at your high school assembly, we're going to sue you. And I'm thinking, you know, What's the conclusion to that, that the ACLU would rather have kids high and drinking and driving than have them encounter, God forbid, that they should encounter God? That would be the worst thing of all. Isn't that bizarre? It's strange.

That the ACLU would threaten to sue a school because a young man whose brother died from alcohol is saying, hey, there's a better way. Kind of back to the founding fathers. Right. There's a higher order. There's a better path. Or we don't, our struggle is not with flesh and bud, but with the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

You're like, in the powers of this dark world, you're like, you know what? It's pretty well clear, to me at least. There is a God in heaven. He is the God of love. And there is Satan and his forces. And there's a clash there. it's not the human beings we're struggling with, but the power that's in them that we're struggling with.

But the key question, Phil, is how do you maintain that godly character when your flesh wants to do what Peter did in the garden? Let's strap on and go to war, boys. But Jesus says, you have to be wise in the way you live. I mean, it also says the weapon, the weapons we feel. fight with or not the weapons of the world. Right. Yep.

So, you know, I say this and mean this. I carry my Bible around. I feel armed when I have it because I know the conversation when it comes up, this can't leave home without it. Yeah, this weapon, you know, demolishes strongholds and makes every thought obedient to Christ. Yeah. Because in the end, it's right and it's true. That's what happened to our school.

You just think about it. You are taking God out. Right. I've said this many times. The byproduct of that was you took out those principles. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness. What could be wrong with those things, those qualities? Well, you took out things that make people get along, the give second chances.

Sure. And so when you try to, you know, have that in the name of religion to keep that separate. It's just a but look at what just happened like this this uh young man a couple weeks ago is in a courtroom and a woman is convicted and sentenced for killing his brother and so she's going to jail and the family they're not you know most of the family is still you know hurting which I get and they're like she needs she should have gotten more years but this young man 18 years old the brother the brother says it's his brother got murdered says an open court I forgive you.

I want your life to be better. She breaks down into tears. He asks the judge, he says, can I hug her? Which I thought about that. How many people have ever asked that in a sentencing here? Can I hug her? I use this story in my story. The same story.

So I said what you saw was unconditional love. That's right. You don't see that very often in our society. But look, Jason, it moved that entire, well, it moved to a lot of people, but it moved that courtroom in the moment. So the judge, the case is over. They're about to take her off to go to prison, the convicted woman.

Oh, yeah, this is awesome. The guys, the guy has offered the forgiveness and she's accepted, which is a powerful. But he did say, my hope is for you to, what was the words he used about Jesus? He said, I would want you to put your faith in Jesus. Have a relationship. Have a relationship with Jesus. He said, that's all I ask. So he sets it up.

He's like, you've got to find Jesus. I mean, that's what you need. So the judge, who's a Christian, as it turns out, she's so moved like everybody else. So the thing ends. So then she goes back to her. He's told her she needs to find Christ. Yeah. She goes back to her area where she gets ready to go out to try cases every day, be the judge,

and gets her personal Bible and brings it out and gives it to this woman. Well, and she actually opened it up. Look, I don't know if you saw the, and the camera's. caught it. She gets the Bible out, but the commentators, I was going to show this during my sermon, but it was so funny that I thought, I don't want to make light that this guy lost his brother. You know, because you said, well, it was funny about it. The commentators were saying, you know, on like court TV, they're saying, the judge seems to have some statute in their head. This is very unusual. This, what is that? Well, I don't know. It's some kind of, it's a, it's a book of some

with a black cutler. I don't know what this is. Don, have you ever seen anything like that? Holly Bibble? I have been to courts. You know, I have never seen that she, the judge is actually explaining the statute that. And then somebody said, oh, no, they said it's a Bible.

Oh, it's a Bible. The judge is now. Well, you can hear. They say, well, let's listen. Let's listen. And so when they listen, the judge is reading John 316. Oh, at that point, the hair stood up on the back of my day. Because the brother had said, I want you to have a relationship with Jesus.

Well, the judge was going down through the book of John and John 3 explaining Jesus. And the woman who shot the guy's brother, she was like tears were streaming down the cheek. Of course, then they went to a commercial. That's how it ended. So guess what happens the next day? the separation of church and state group. Oh, yeah. Comes in and says, no, no, no.

We can't have any of this. We can't have a sitting judge bringing the Bible into this court. And so now they're trying to get it. But it was over. Yeah, it was the family sentencing. Yeah. Well, but they call it something. What was the phrase?

What is the phrase they call? You know, they get to like. There's no lawyers here today. No, I'm saying, what is that called? They get to. They can get to confront them. Yeah, confront their, the guilty party, but they call that something. Somebody Google that, let me know.

The bottom line is, the only story that will top that one, when you see acts of kindness forgiveness you have a sin-free perfect god in a human body and they've strung up like an animal and driven spikes through his feet and his hands nailed to a tree and his final words were forgive them they don't know what they're doing what he meant was by they're murdering me my murder is going to remove their sin of murder. I mean, you just look at it and you're like, whoa. So they wonder why when you look at Jesus, Al, and you look at all that can happen to a human being on planet Earth, that courtroom just being one of those moments. But when you look at it, if you could still say forgive them

for the way they have treated me in the last few days and strung me up like an animal, you could still say forgive them get that out of your mouth yeah that makes me feel uh oh man that that uh motivates me to not participate in sinful behavior once i know that he forgave me and it gives you hope that we can be united which is what the brother did victim impact statement was what i that said you googled that i did Phil if you look get one of these yeah yeah yeah yeah what he's holding up ladies and gentlemen is a cell phone.

Oh, they knew what it was. So, Dad, you ought to get one of these. See, Dad would have to go look that up in the World Book. Chase, be happy, son. I'm 73 years. I've never owned a cell phone. But if it were not for me, you wouldn't be here, dude. You wouldn't be Googling.

So normally, if Jayce could look, he Googles it looks at it. If we were doing this dad's style, we'd just say, all right, so we're going to cut the cameras here. Dad's going to drive down to his house to get his world book and psychopedia, find out what this is. Encyclopedia. Noah Webster's Dictionary and a Bible. I'm telling you all, that's all you need when you're on planet Earth as far as research materials are concerned. Every encyclopedia in the history of the world is right here. All of them.

Not just one. I go to the source of what's on that. I just go directed to the source. A, B, C, D, E, F. What is the source? What do you mean the source? The source is the encyclopedias themselves. Just the facts.

They took that, put it on the cell phone. You said, well, I'm going to read a cell phone. I have a read the encyclopedias because there's nothing. I think we got a hot spot on the side. Naked women I hear are on that thing. In the encyclopedias, none of that. Every encyclopedia is in here. Your encyclopedia, they're in here.

Without the filth. Okay. They've added the filth to that. I said, I'm not going to food with that thing. That's true. But it gives you an opportunity to exercise self-control. Because your children get a whole of that thing. A lot of times, they're not.

Looking for what the encyclopedia said. They're looking for what this worldly stuff. The evil one is put in there and the rest is history. This is the legendary. I see what you say. I see what you say. Yeah, look, my daughter, she doesn't have a phone right now. But it's, you know, at least I know, I look at it and say,

nope, you're not ready. My answer to people when they say, how is it, how do you operate without a cell phone and a computer in today's world? My answer to them is always the same. very peacefully. That's how I'm right. But now, Jim, you guys like, because you write books and you guys put out material on parenting and family consistently.

This has to be a big. Number one problem. Right. So like now, where is 20 years ago. I don't have one. Yeah. I'm trying to show them you can exist and function and do pretty well. Yeah.

Like myself, and you don't need a cell phone. No, it's true. The experts will say, you know, delay as long as possible. So my two boys, they got phones at 17, which I thought was pretty good. That's a long time. You did well. So I was trying to incorporate Phil's great wisdom there. That's right.

But my kids, I mean, two of them, you know, I gave my daughter at 15. That lasted 10 days, took it away for four months. Why did you take it away, Jace? Trouble. Making bad decisions. Yeah. Nothing major, but nothing to what I would call major, but just, so I took it away for four months. gave it back to her lasted i'd say 21 days it's had to move back in i got the phone back

but my son did the same thing i mean read look gave him the phone at about 15 he lasted 24 hours 24 hours next day i looked and said okay give me that back so jess you went a couple weeks proving my point hey but good fathering it was good look i'm giving him the opportunity to do the right thing because look once he leaves this house he's going to have a cell phone right you got to make good decision so you now it can be good you can do good things on it it's it's there's a there's a there's a lot of arguments i can make for that so he lasted about two weeks i gave him the phone he lasted 24 hours took it back well next time was substantial it was three or four months i gave it back he lasted 24 hours well then we went a year i gave it back to him 24 hours later

Nope. So I said, you know what? When you graduate high school, I'll give it back to you. Which is, wow. And he was fine with it. Yep. Because he's like, I can't. I mean, he wasn't even lasting.

He finally got to a point where he recognized. He was like, fine. No, I'll give it credit, the most useful thing I've ever seen coming out of his cell from. And I say this in all seriousness and honesty is Doppler radar. That's helpful. Tells me when the wind's going to shift, it's going to rain or be, I'm like, Now, that is pretty cool. Especially when you live in a place where the river rises 30 feet.

That's what I'm saying. Because I say, get on that black box. I call them the black box. Get on the black box and tell me what the river's doing at Camden, Arkansas, 100 miles north of us. Because you have floods. That's exactly right. Look what I can do. Did you see that there was a car that just pulled up and is leaving right now?

And that was Al's wife, Lisa. Yeah. Now, how I know that is because she's just sent me a text and said, I left a box and some shirts at the back door. I don't need to be that tuned in all the time. But it's cool. You were oblivious of what just happened, but if you needed that box, well, look, I know there's a box out there.

It's like magic to you. Whether the family, speaking of the family, one of y'all's goals focus on the family. One of them is the family. Well, when you go to restaurants, Oh, it's bad. And look, and everybody is sitting there. And I've just watched it.

Restaurants is everywhere. Well, I'm just saying. It's just too. Phil, they're driving cars doing that. It's too much. I agree. It takes up too much and it's too intense and you can't even carry on a normal conversation. No, it's bad.

You end up in some kind of virtual reality type world. I'm just saying what's amazing is that there were seven children in the Robertson family. I'm one of seven. Four of them have passed on to the other side. You say, did any of those Robertson children that I was raised up with, including Sa, this is weird. None of them ever participated with cell phones. Oh, yeah, right.

They just, you're probably? Well, they didn't even have cell phones. Well, what I'm saying is when they came along, cell phones came on. Well, yeah. No one got them. No one fooled them. Because it wasn't part of your. generation, right? Well, now, I think 84% of teenagers, all teenagers have a cell phone.

84%. 84%. That's high. My wife was so good for dinner. So she always was about dinner. At the dinner table, it's conversation. So nobody brought their phone to the dinner table. And we've done that. I have a 19 year old and a 17 year old. So our kind, I mean, we had milk going through our noses because we were laughing so hard. So what is your mission statement as far as y'all are concerned on how to handle an approach the use or lack of use or how do you handle the cell phone deletable. Well, again, I mean, one of the things you delayed as long as you can, then Jace has done a good

job as a dad. I mean, to be engaged, probably had, you had some kind of software that you could see what was going on or you're looking at. I know. Parents need to be engaged. I know what you're doing. I'm in TV. I was in TV long enough to know a bunch of geeks, computer geeks.

So you could tell what was. No, I call them up and said, I want to find. everything in this phone that she would have deleted. Right. Can we do that? They're like, sure. So that's active parenting. Yeah.

But now look, my point has been it's not just the kids. It's a great point. The older generation who are on the cell phones, they're not paying attention to their kid because they're staring at Facebook wondering if somebody's so engaged in social media. Yeah, somebody's going to like what they post.

It's like everybody goes to their own separate rooms. The kids in the mischief. but the parent, they're in there saying, nobody likes the fact that I just posted that I went to Taco Bell and I don't have one single life. Well, if you went to Taco Bell, that's a problem. So daily. That's what I'm sad, but in our culture now,

they're letting you know every five minutes what they're doing. And then people are staring at it saying nobody's liking that. So here's my point. I don't have one. I never have had one. I mean, what am I missing? What am I missing? Because I seem to be pretty good shape.

You say, let's see. No, you're right. You're right. It's instant access to everything that you don't need to know. Well, but it does make life easier as far as communication and information. I mean, now when I study or prepare, I like to, you know, look at what the world thinks about something. I usually don't look at what religious people think. I want to know what the world think.

you know, about an issue. That's where I came up with that idea about the, you know, the light and the sun being created four days. That was some argument that I read, you know, from an atheist. And I thought, well, that's a good question. So let me research that. And then I was like, oh, you know what? I found the answer, you see?

But I mean, I found that on the Internet because it's instant access. But to Phil's point, you know, we, my two boys go to a school and there's another school a mile away. In the last two and a half years, we've had 13, suicides at these two schools. And I'd say a lot of it is linked to their phones, to social media. Oh, no. They put their worth.

They're not measuring up. I mean, it's horrible. Well, on the one hand, I'm hearing you all talk, and you're saying you're defending your right to have it and you should have it or you got to have it. But then you're giving me stats about the suicide rate and the... Because you're a man of extremes. You're looking at it black and white. I'm looking at it kind of like alcohol.

We talked about alcohol abuse. But there's nothing wrong with alcohol if you display self-control. I mean, Jesus invented, I said this Sunday, he invented the line, hold my wine, and watch this. That's true. He made wine. That's true. So, you know, if you want to just leave it alone, fine. Well, that's what it is.

But that makes people. But it makes people feel uncomfortable. They're like, well, that wasn't really wine. You know, I had somebody trying to make that argument. I was like, oh, no, it was wine. And it was the good stuff. Jesus himself said, I came here. John the Baptist was not allowed to drink.

He came neither eating or drinking, but the son of man came both eating and drinking. He's talking about alcoholic beverages. And the Pharisees said, told everybody, oh, he's a drunkard. Right. He's a drunker dinner in a wine. wine bipper.

But to Jason's point, it's a dangerous thing. It's a dangerous thing. Especially in the hands of young people. Oh, sure. And we see that. So you can use it for something. That's exactly right. I know we got to end because we're out of time.

But I do wonder, you know, we're talking about focusing on the family, you know, trusting in God, trying to promote his principles. I saw a movie this weekend's first movie I've seen in four or five months. It was called Overcomers. You all probably seen it. I haven't seen it yet. Overcomer. Oh, it's fantastic.

Is it? Yeah. Oh, fantastic. But it's about what the things we're talking about. Life can be messy. And ultimately, what we're trying to do is get people to realize, no matter what happens in your family situation or the decisions you made, there's a father out there that loves you.

And we're in essence, even in my sermon that I preach Sunday, through Jesus, we have the right to become sons and daughters of God. I mean, that is the family that I'm trying to focus on. I want to be part of God's forever family. So, you know, regardless of what people say and the persecution and all that, it always comes back down to that. You know, I believe God has a plan for everybody. And, you know, it wants everybody to be in heaven with him.

I'm glad, by the way, we've teamed up with Dalia and his people. Yep. That we focus on the planet. It's been especially good for Lisa and I. It's been a pleasure. It's been especially good for Lisa and I because, obviously, sanctity of life is one of our main topics because of our testimony. So this book, Desperate Forgiveness, you see down here at the bottom,

for those of you be watching, focus on the family. So we partnered with Jim and focused to get our message out. We've been, now we're about to do one of the events that you guys are doing around the country. That's right. On behalf of the unborn. You know, Daily has proven. If he hasn't proven anything else, because when we hear Colorado, we first inclination is everybody smoking, don't we're here.

I think there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, Daly comes in from Colorado out, and I've been looking at him. looks perfectly normal. And he's from California originally. Hey, two strikes. I got one more. Throw that. So he's California to Colorado.

That's awesome. But Jim, thank you for being here. Look, the reason Jim is here, I never said, tonight he's going to speak at our 40th anniversary

for life choices, which is our local pregnancy center. So they wanted a big name and they said, Al, you got to help us, and we don't have any money. I said, man, that's a tough order.

I mean, how do you get somebody with no money? So I reached out to Jim, I said, Jim, we have no money. but we do have Phil's hamburgers. That was all of it. And he came before.

I should draw. He said, I'm in. No kidding. So hamburgers got in. Kind of famous. You need to start a fast food chain. Phil's burgers.

They are so good everybody. They're awesome. They are. He has to say, I eat some like chips. That's right. He eats them like donuts. He said four of them.

Yeah. So we're about to go down and give you your payment with some fresh Phil hamburgers. Oh, that would be good. ever been on the unashamed. Well, hey, let me say thanks on behalf of millions of people that have watched the show and love what they see in your family, your common sense wisdom. I mean, it's really awesome. And it's great to see how the Lord has used you guys to draw people to them.

And that's a great story. Well, keep doing what you're doing. Those of you that are, you know, part of our unashamed nation here, be sure and check out, focus on the family and support these guys and help them out. So until next time. All right. Good to be with you. We are so glad you're watching and listening to The Unashamed podcast. Be sure to like us on Facebook, subscribe on YouTube and iTunes. That's going to keep you up today with all the new episodes. And it's also going to let other people find out about our podcast. So keep spreading the word and watching and listening to Unashamed with Phil Robertson.