Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 264 | When Phil Met Steven Tyler, Willie's Diet Competition, and Churches and Gender Pronouns

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

Phil rocks out to Alice Cooper, and he and Al remember the time Aerosmith's Steven Tyler approached them in a hotel lobby. Jase has another close encounter of the convenience store kind when someone yells at him to put a mask on. He also has a run-in with a couple of guys who don't take kindly to his kind at the golf course. Al and Jase tell the story of how competitive (and MEAN) Willie got when he made a weight-loss bet. Phil reveals what helped his faith more than anything, and it never would have happened without "Duck Dynasty." Al talks about engaging on gender pronouns and other cultural issues when even churches try to muzzle us. And the guys discuss spiritual decapitation, whether or not it's biblical for women to be ambassadors of the church, and stuffy church rules that burn bridges instead of bringing people closer to Jesus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So Jason, I was interested because you just in Texas, we talked about on the last podcast. So Texas has been, I guess you'd call it, opened up more from the coronavirus. So like for now a pretty good while. They were one of the first states to say, you know what? Numbers are down. We're basically going to open up businesses and that type of thing. Could you notice a difference being there?

I mean, did it seem any different to you? I was curious since you were just there. Texas is a big state. And I'm camping out in Austin. And Austin, how would I describe it? It's much more left wing than the rest of the state. It leans left. So, you know, it's like you would, you can't go into a convenience store without a mask on.

like here in Louisiana. And nobody said anything. So even without a mandate by the government or the governor, in that case, the people that still own the places in some areas are still enforcing to. Well, I don't think it's the people working there. It's just you're, you know, these people, I mean, I was pumping gas. And with, I'm at a gas station. So you're outside.

I'm outside. I'm well over six feet. I would say 60 feet from, and there's a guy walking in the store and he says, wear your mask. And so I looked around. There was no one standing behind me. And I went, gna, gave my nod. I mean, what am I going to do?

Get upset? No. He just didn't like the way I looked. Well, you didn't convene the stores. You have more things, more encounters. Well, it's because of the air. area that I'm stopping. I'm saying, but you have about every once a month I hear it's some different way of

Jason having some kind of usually bad encounter at a convenience store. Jason is going to line up in a shootout in a convenience store parking lot. It's one of the reasons I don't do convenience stores. Because it's not convenient. It's inconvenient, all. I don't do it because some jerk will walk by and say, where's your mask? I mean, what, a long ranger? I mean, Western, Matt Dillon, what are you talking about?

Yeah. Well, it's like... But you're right, the more left-wing areas you are, the more you're going to have people, you know, they call them Cairns for some poor people. I hate people named Cairns. The source of all that is fear. Yeah.

And also maybe just a little bit of minding other people's business. I mean, let's face it. I mean, if you ever walk past somebody and look over and they're doing something you may or may not like, and you felt called upon to call. call them out 60 feet away for anything? Have you ever done that? If I were an outlaw in the mid-1800s in the days of Matt Dillon,

I wouldn't go around. I wonder how long it's going to be. The only time I might ask, where's your mask, if I were an outlaw and we're fixing to rob a stage coat, and if you don't want to let people know who you are, put your mask on. But any other thing right there, it doesn't make much sense. Well, I thought that was Lisa and I were.

walking past the, we were in a little strip mall and we were walking past the door of a liquor store and had the sign on the door that you had to wear a mask. And I looked inside and there were, you know, a bunch of people in there buying liquor and they all had masks and I said, would you have ever thought 10 or 20 years ago that people that go into liquor stores would be encouraged to wear a mask? How many times they get knocked off, you know, back in the day? I thought now it's just a weird society that we're in. The ear is a dreaded thing among the lost. And they're thinking, well, maybe this mask will say, me. Some of it is, some of it is not so much. We're back to the gospel again. I don't think,

think it's as much. Like in that case, I was not breaking any agreed upon rule. You're actually going by the standards, right? By the way, Jay's, you're a Jesus man. What was the most oft question our statement made by Jesus concerning these matters? He would say, do not. Do not be afraid. Do not be afraid. But, however. Man, oh man, oh man. Do you know what number five was? Fear of the Lord.

Fear of the Lord. I have a good lesson on that. I think I've given it before. I want to tell you this one story. Part of it is just living in a different society. But I think it's a fertile ground for sharing Jesus. And I'm real proud of my wife. She has numerous Bible studies going and she's just taking it on.

But it's like Jeff surprised me. He's like, ooh, he said, bring your golf club. So I knew it was a surprise. He wanted to take me somewhere. By the way, while you're there, I've seen more people converted to Jesus in the last couple of years, especially during the coronavirus. I've seen more people coming with Jesus than at any other time in my life on the earth. Because fearful people seek something strong.

Continue your statement, Jason. So he takes me to a place that he knows I wanted to go. It's a, I won't, I won't throw it out of the bus because it was awesome. It was an awesome golf course. It's been on TV. There's a PGA event there. I played there. Do the math, but I don't want to say it was.

So, yep, like on the way, he's like, the only thing, he said, you know, I went here once before. And so I'll just tell you, because he was kind of looking at me in an awkward way as I'm driving. Like, looking at my, what I have on. how it's by the way when I went with him he didn't he didn't have to do any of this just so you know just I'm throwing that out he said so you don't look like a golf pro well Phil look at me so so anyway here he said here's what happened the last time I went here I said okay as he's looking at me weirdly I'm I wasn't sure where this was going because I said I have a mask and he said no no you let me just tell my story I said okay he said so

I go out to the putting green He's waiting on the people to who he's going to meet up with. And he said, a guy walks up to him and says, sir, tuck your shirt in. And so he looked at your shirt in. Well, he looked down and Jelp had it like three quarters tucked in. But, you know, Jep, he hadn't worked out in a while. You got a little sag. Well, he's having a problem with 25%.

Staying tucked in. Yeah. And so. And we are on a golf course. Yeah. So he. He makes the adjustment. And so then he says, I go to the driving range, and he said, a young woman comes out and says, sir.

So Jelp looks down because he's thinking he's sprung a link here again. And she says, can you turn your hat around? Because he had his hat turned around backwards. And so I was like, now I'm feeling uneasy about where we're headed. I was like, he's like, so I thought, oh, no problem. So then before he dies all, he has to go to the bathroom. So he goes to the bathroom. He now has his shirt.

What could be wrong with that? Tucked in. He has his hat turning around. So he looks in the mirror, okay, we're all good. He said, I turn around. There's two older gentlemen just staring at me. That's always a bad sign in the restroom. In the restaurant.

That's what I said. Then I'm thinking, I don't know about this place, you know. I'm surprised you didn't do a youth turn at this. So Jep said, I'll look down thinking, what else more can I do? Wrong. Sir, please don't urinate on your shoes. Maybe that. So one guy says, sir, you need a haircut.

And the other one, whoa. Now look, and the other one, as in they were a team of confronters said, end of shave. And Jep said, I'll keep that in mind. And he said, so I was like, Joe, why are we going here? Now look. He is alerting you to, Jace, you have entered a zone where you have the attire police. It's the in the, in the words of the great Ted Knight and Caddach, you should have realized that at Bushwood, some people just don't belong. Yeah, that's what he was saying.

but I was thinking, now I can take my, I can tuck my shirt in, I can wear my hat. But when he said that, I thought, okay, we may have problems. I mean, look, I've let myself go. So I've added another one to my list. Not only do I do not do convenience stores, I don't do golfing course. So what's funny is, I wonder why I don't go out there. And as much as I don't care, I said, I tell you what, when we've, pulled up, because I looked around and realized, oh, this is so wanky.

Any place that you feel like you can eat off the grass. And so I put my hair in my hat. And Jeff said, yeah, that really helped a lot. Well, let me give you a little quote of a text I shared with the brothers yesterday. Oh, man. God does not do favoritism. He does not show favoritism, no matter what. The color of your skin, the clothes on your back,

the wherever you came from, your ethnicity, not. God does not show favoritism, period. Therefore, we should be the same. And the counter to that, don't show favoritism. The counter to that is that old men who are members at swanky golf clubs do show favoritism. Yeah. And what made it worse?

That's a microcosm. of the current culture we live in. And, Jace, it's a dangerous thing. Never doubt that. What made it worse. Favoritism is a brutal sin. What made it worse is because you had to play with a member. Of course, our member friends, they invite us into the clubhouse, you know.

Because they're proud to know your famous people, you know what I mean. And so then, Jeff and I, this is, you can't make this up. We both forgot our wallets. And so now not only do we look like what everybody's thinking we love like. You don't have any money. I actually have the equivalent of a homeless man in this place. I don't have one dollar. My brothers as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism.

Suppose a man comes into your meeting might be a golf course. They don't care. wearing a gold ring and fine clothes and a poor man and shabby clothes also comes in. We're on the golf course. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, here's a good seat for you. But say to the poor man, you stand there. You sit on the floor by my feet.

Have you not discriminated it among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? It's a dangerous thing, favorit to them. From top to bottom in the smallest of cases, and you got a glimpse of it. There's a biblical answer for that trash. I think it affects you because, you know, I'm a decent golfer, and I played really well. But on the first tee box, I'm a little nervous. All these people are looking at me. I've already, I'm worried about all this.

So, yeah, I just topped it off the tea. A third of a minute. I was like, you know what? Why am I doing this to myself? Yeah. Why am I here? A third of our congregation happened to be homeless. So, and the police said they've dealt with them for years. So now we're there and there are our brothers and sisters and they're homeless.

I think to bring up how you're dressed would be a little bit. So, Dad, do you know who is a really good golfer and has been his old life and loves golf? You'd never think this. Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper. You remember the old rocker? Alice Cooper, the last. the long hair, the crazy man.

I'm not familiar. Best tune he came up with, schools out. Schools out. Forever. Forever. My boy, by bringing that up,

is can you imagine the looks Alice Cooper probably got rolling into some of these swanky golf? He got a little heavy on the eye like, Mabelene. But other than that, oh, Alice, what can you say?

So, Jay, person of fame that has a certain look about them that has been looked at. They tell me, Alice Cooper's dad was, in fact, a preacher, I think a Baptist preacher. And then Alice went rogue, you know, and I don't know how that finally worked out. They say the hardest people to reach are preachers, daughters, and sons. That's true. I never forget when dad and I and mom met, what's the guy's name from Arrow Smith, the lead singer

for that group. Yeah. Tyler or whatever. Tyler's something. Yeah. Anyway. Steve Tyler. Steve Tyler.

I didn't hear that it just hit me. I was going to. So we met Steve and Tyler. Well, that's what I was going to say. We met him in the Trump at the lobby hotel one night, and he was carrying a pizza and a little bitty pecanese dog. I mean, you look up here. Here's this guy. You recognize him.

How could you not? He's holding a pizza and a little bit dog. And we're checking in. And we didn't say anything. We used to being around famous people. And he said, hey, I got one of your duck decoys. He pointed it, Dad. We didn't correct him, but Dad's like, is that right?

He said, yeah, man, I'm into Duckin up in New Hampshire on my farm. And it was just a surreal moment to be the Stephen Tyler, the old life. I did leave there with a new thought for Tyler. I'm thinking, you know, the old dude ain't all bad. See, that's what I'm saying. The stuff affects you. You say it, does it? Do not show favoritism, even to you, Tyler.

That's right. All right. Let's take a break. You know what's crazy is, you know, we're in Acts 18, where he went to Corinth. Because you realize that in these letters, I mean, can we say the Corinthian Church probably was here so that no other church could say, oh, you don't understand how many problems we have. That's right.

But, you know, I did. They will always compete for the worst church of the first. What's your old, the old guy that says a tough crowd, who is it? Rodney Dangerfield had it right because the Apostle Paul would agree, you know, tough crowd here. However, however, you know, when he got down to in verse 9 of 18, the Lord, because he was getting persecuted from, he was preaching at the synagogue. And which is why, you know, you got to remember Corinth was a turn into this port city. And I think actually was it Nero who built that canal. still there today.

I don't think it's wide enough now for commerce, but I think now... There's a place where a lot of world travelers, naval people come and going and, you know, this is like the Marine Corps's got, they got a group of them, you know, the soldiers. Fort City. Everybody getting drunk up in there. When you think of them having the ability to give gifts, miraculous gifts, well, the speaking in tongues would come in handy here, because if you're trying to get Jesus to the world and you've got the main, biggest city in Greece.

You would need that gift at Karif. Oh, that was awesome, you know. And he was having trouble with the religious people. So then he just goes to the Greeks. Well, when you have a big city, the biggest in Greece at that point, we know what big cities are like. I just described one. So there's a lot of frivolous behavior, mischievous going on.

So then when you get over into the Corinthian letter, you're like, oh. Oh, okay, okay. I'm starting to understand why. You know, it was surreal for Dad and I. We were in Athens. We mentioned the last time we were talking from Acts 17. When we were driving to a location and it hit me because I look up, it's like we're on their version of the interstate.

And the signs like Corinth exit right here, and then you go up a little further the Macedonian exit. And I was like, all these places we read about in the Bible, they're still there. I mean, there's some version of it is still there. And there's still a little bit of mischief going on among the population in Greece. We saw that. Greece has a lot of problems.

Yeah, but at this time, it was a roaring. I mean, they were rolling, you know. But what I was going to say is what appealed to me in this story. I mean, there was a couple verses that stood out. I mean, one later on is probably the most obscure verse in the Bible. Because we were talking about how we look and our hair and all this. but, you know, when they, they sailed off after he met Priscilla and Aquila, it's just, it's a, where is that? I was reading this the other night where it said that Paul had made it a vow to cut his hair.

Yeah, in verse 8. Oh, in the second part of verse 18, it says before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at, I don't even know how you say that. Sensoria. Sensoria, because of a vow he had taken. I thought, Hmm, I wonder what all that's about. And why put it in here? That's right.

It was just kind of an off point for Luke, but obviously meant something to Paul. Well, when I read that, I thought. So he shaved his head. Yeah, because he had taken a vow. So I thought, stay away from making vows considering hair. Just stay away from that. It's like when you get caught up in the motions and you make a bet, you know, with somebody. I mean, it's like I was talking to Willie the other day, and he bet somebody, a guy we play Galway,

on who could lose the most weight in a period of time. I think it was 30 days. It was a month, yeah. And I heard the story the other night from the guy. And Willie lost by one pound. Yep, one time. And so I forgot what the winner guy. What was on the table?

It was, it was $10 a pound for what? That's what it was. $10 pounds. But, I mean, you know, it's $300 because they were lost about $10. I mean, if you whipped them, I mean, this could get expensive. And the guy Willie was, well, Willie's got plenty of money, but the guy he was battling against, he mows yards. Not that that's not needed, but he ain't got a lot of money.

And he's a retired firefighter. So he told me, he was like, wow, I was so nervous. He said, because I didn't know. I thought, man, those rovers are so competitive, you know. And then Willie said, he comes out to his car one day. and he looks on his thing and there's a box of donut, flaming hot donuts. Yeah, that's was Willie's approach. Willie said I spent a small fortune on having catered deliveries to everywhere this guy went in the Twin Cities.

I thought, now that's just me. He spent more money than he lost just trying to trip him up, which shows you so much of Willie's person. But that was just a lighthearted point. But in 9 and 10, when he says, one night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision. He says, don't be afraid, keep on speaking. Do not be silent. For I am with you and no one is going to attack and harm you.

And I love this line. It says because I have many people in this city, which he was talking about Corinth, which I... For the ones you were sharing the gospel, though, that's a good code to remember. Look, this, I remember a time of my life where I read that where it changed the way I a few things because I thought I want to be this guy from God's perspective in Westmore Louisiana. And, you know, I was talking about Austin earlier.

I want to be that guy. Yeah. Because I'm not sure how many people he has in that city, even though it's a very big place. But that made me realize, you know, God is always working. He works through Jesus. He works through Jesus in us. He was doing that at this time. And nothing has changed since then.

He still does that. And for him, you know, Jesus to say that in red letters, I think that's a profound statement that everyone as a disciple of Jesus should think about. Yeah. You know, are you looking at the opportunities? Because I think a lot of times God may be sending you people, and you just, you're not looking at it from that perspective. They need to think about the mindset, too, because it says,

Paul, so, after being told, don't be afraid. I have many people, he said, so Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the Word of God. To him, this thing about, you know, this Jesus thing is getting in my way. He just stuck a year and a half right there, just camped out there. Well, you imagine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People coming and going tough town, tough crowd. You say, he's right in the middle of it.

He said, don't be afraid. Well, he also had special motivation. Can you imagine the people he dealt with? because I'm just looking at it 2,000 years later at the ones who are coming and going, and not a whole lot has changed out. Yeah. Not a whole lot has changed. But I do think people a lot of times are afraid to speak up because, let's face it,

our culture is not, in some circles of our culture, is not very popular to have a message about Jesus. I was reading about a little third grade girl in Mississippi because I keep up with a group called ADF, which does a lot of religious liberty court cases. And she wore a mask to school because they had to wear a mask. And it said, Jesus loves me on the mask. She comes in there and they say, nope, can't wear that here in her school. Made her take it off.

So she goes home, you know, she tells her parents, I guess they gave her another mask. Well, they went up to the school. They're like, why can't you wear, because, you know, they knew that you can wear BLM, you can wear this, you can wear that, you can wear whatever. But no Jesus loves me at this little school. You know, going back a little bit. I mean, and I thought to myself, that's just, it was a little girl. She probably didn't make the, you know, I'm making a stand.

But now this case is going to go to court because you try to shut it down. In these United States, four or five years ago, they ran me through the ringer. You know, they just came, but the attack was full bore. I looked up, you know, and I'm sitting there, you know, Bill O'Reilly's expounding or what an idiot I am. And they're all got to, they had priests come along and say, well, what do you expect for some redneck done and they're all you were a week of discussion all i did was quote the bible verse and it got them all i will tell you and your brother there that helped me more than anything that's ever happened that helped me more to say yep i'm on the right side of this thing i'm going full speed

ahead and i'm not going to be here to the right or the left i'm just not going but it helped my faith yeah when the attack was at its peak i said yep now now i'm beginning of understand what the apostle paul and all of them are saying you we must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of heaven well it's help it's up to other people to hang on just let's take a break but what i was going to say is so you get the the foundation for where the church at corn started so you know you have people there and i don't think it's an accident that a power couple one of god's power couples for silen and aquila were part of that foundation there and which speaks well of husband and wife teams.

Well, that's right. I like that too. Which is going to get, when you get to Corinthians, one of the problems was the gender identity issue. When I even thought about that when you mentioned that, a minute ago, if that might be somehow connected to some of the discussions he had about hair. Maybe that was in anticipation of something.

There was a lot of homosexual behavior going on at that time and at the current time. It wasn't just that. And gender bending stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. And when you read First and Second Corinthians, you're like, oh, you had all these problems. Not just that. You had divisions, you know, the lawsuits among each other. They were getting drunk on the Lord's Supper, pretty much anything you could think of.

You couldn't tell. You couldn't tell male from female by observation. Well, right. And the Apostle Par ran into that, the hair thing and all of that. Well, speaking of weird rebukes, you know, I was in a building, which, you know, there's multiple passages about that God does not live in building. I was in a building and was confronted by two older gentlemen, and they said, you need to take your hat off when you come in the building.

I said, thank you. And I kept walking. And so they kept coming. They were like, as in now. I mean, they went the second leg. And I said, appreciate it. Yeah, that's Christianity at its finest. One of them quoted the verse in Corinthians where it said if a man doesn't uncover his head.

So I'm like, oh, they come not in love, but, you know, they come with verses. And I said, come with verses. I said, gender issues. Now that stopped it because then they thought I was crazy. They didn't know what I was talking about. but I was referring to the passage that they thought about. The context of what was going on. Yeah, because I believe the problem was you had, you know,

men looking like women and women looked like men. They were all gathered up saying, hey. So what the problem is and what I wanted to bring up, and I taught a class on this, I have a few notes. I mean, this was years ago, so I don't really remember off the top of my head. But some of the things I wrote down is, I think it's interesting that,

that I believe their problem was that they have been spiritually decapitated, which is the worst thing that can happen to a church. If you lose connection with the head, which Colossians 219 says that. You know, he says in the early part of chapter one, he says Jesus is the image of God. And then chapter two, he's like, you've been given fullness in Christ.

All the deity lives in bodily form in Jesus. Then it says, and you were circumcised. and the law was canceled. Well, then he goes into people that are in a church that have lost connection with the head, and it goes into some of the same problems in Colossians that was happening in Corinthians. But the last verse of 2nd Corinthians, the last verse in chapter 13 and verse 14, he says, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, the Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

If you started with that verse and went backwards, you figure out that was their problem. Because you think about it, they had human divisions. Well, what is the answer for that? Realizing God is your father, because that brings everybody together. He made us all from one man.

He made all nations of men. you think Jesus is our Lord, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. So you say, well, what does Jesus, you know, answer as far as problems? Well, look at what their problems were. They were divided. They had this pride issue about we are who we are, you know,

no matter what, they had lost their purpose because their purpose was basically to go meet at the building and fight. You can make an argument that that same problem is front and center in these United States of America 2,000 years later. Yeah, so I think that not...

Not recognizing Jesus' Lord made them where they weren't living out their purpose because they had lost connection with... They're the body of Christ. They represent Jesus, but that wasn't happening in the world. They were gathering up in the building. And then the third thing, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, they were all pursuing the gifts of the Holy Spirit,

but were lacking in the fruits. And so that leads to human performance. They were basing everything, oh, look how great I am. So you think about it. If you go by human divisions, human pride, and human performance, that is a recipe. for chaos, which is what was going on here. And that's why I think he said this. Hey, then and now. Yeah. Think about this.

Chapter 14 of 1st Corinthians, which is where all the things about the gifts and all this view of the women's role in the church, because they were functioning in pride in their own performance and in divisions. and so that's a very controversial passage. In fact, he started off saying, stop thinking like children. I mean, he's rebuking him. He's like, you've got women hollering from the back

while somebody's up talking. And so he's, you know, and people are experiencing these gifts emotionally. Well, what is Chapter 14 in between? Just think about this. Without getting into the weeds of the details of that. Well, chapter 13, is the greatest chapter in the Bible about love.

And chapter 15 is a reminder of the gospel. Yeah. So you say, well, what is their, I know this. They had a love problem and they had a Jesus, a lack of Jesus problem. And that was sandwiched in between all the chaos that was going on. So what's happened in our world today, unfortunately, is a lot of people will go to chapter 14 and try to figure out some truth there on how to operate with, you know, the roles or gender roles

or the miraculous fruits of the spirit or, and they're missing the point. There was a love issue and there was a disconnect of Jesus issue. Whatever happened in Chapter 14, that's minor compared to those two issues. Because if you don't have love and you don't have Jesus as your focus, well, what do you think is going to happen? Well, right.

And then it was destroyed them. Let's take another break. So that was the foundation from my study. I did point out that in 1st Corinthians alone, Jesus is Lord is mentioned, that phrase, over 90 times, which is a profound fact. Because you say, what do you think their problem is? They hadn't surrendered to Jesus.

He was not the focus. they were not connected. They weren't getting the relational aspects of this. They got all hyped up on seeing the miracles and then trying to apply that to each little group of all the divisions. That's why when you get to 1st Corinthians 12 and he talks about the bodies of a unit,

we're all apart. You got ears, you got nose. You know, all these famous verses that we use. He's like, we were baptized into one spirit. There's no male or female. or he says the same thing he says in Galatian. So he was trying to get them to focus, you know, under Jesus as authority. And that's why when he got to Second Corinthians, he started sharing with what your purpose is here.

And so he's like, we have the power in jars of clay. You know, we commend ourselves to people's conscience. We're new creations. It goes on to say we're ambassadors as though God were making his appeal through us. for God made him who had no sin to be sin for us. So we might become the righteousness of God. I mean, it's like he wants to use you. So it comes back to the same thing to finish my just kind of outline of what the class I did,

is that you can either be selfish, even in church, or you can surrender to Jesus and let him use you. It doesn't matter whether you're outside of a church or inside. The same principle applies. You can get so caught up in the great things that happen and miss who's given them to you. Yeah. And pretty well, he said the same thing to the Roman church. You have no excuse, you who passed judgment on someone else,

for whatever point you judge the other, you're condemning yourself. Because you who passed judgment do the same things. There was a lot of that going on at Corinth. Now, we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. When you a mere man or a mere woman pass judgment on them, your neighbor, your brothers, and yet do the same things,

do you think you'll escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness and tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? He says, that's what was going on in Karath. It was just a group after group after group, and they were all accusing each other, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got it, you don't. You shouldn't do that.

What's interesting about that is, Dad, so you go from the ancient church, which obviously we're reading about these situations, and you come to the more modern era church, and the same mistakes are made. Same mistakes. All we do is splinter into groups. You think this passage means this thing, so we're going to build our whole deal on this. This one's over here. And I think you lose then your sense of.

being able to impact the culture, which was Paul's whole point here. Instead of, instead of thinking about it, you got this idea about worrying about the hair in 1st, Corinthians 11, if you look at our culture, which every single day goes down more of a rabbit hole about people's pronouns, what they call themselves, a he, a day, that's right. We should be able to speak to that. And so, you know what? Here's how God made us.

And that's, Paul was very clear. And so we, unfearfully, unashamed, make those statements into our culture. I was watching. So the one department we would be interested in in the government, probably maybe the IRS, but the other one would be the Department of the Interior, right? Because it's all about conservation, hunting lands. Everything about the Department of Interior is about the great, vast United States. I was watching a meeting the other day.

It just showed a clip of it. And so they were kicking off this meeting. There was three government officials kicking off a meeting of the Department of the Interior. with some oil and gas people. They're having a little sit down. The first three women who work for our government, they're bureaucrats in the Department of the Interior, talking about oil and gas,

how it affects our conservation, spent the first three minutes of their speech, given their pronouns, what they get called, that I work in an area that was once the ancient lands of blah, blah, blah, and this particular... I mean, they spent three minutes, basically given putting their left-wing ideology.

And I thought to myself, this is the problem with our whole culture. I mean, like that. I think a lot of religious rules have contributed to that. You know, and I'll tell you what just happens. It mutes us. It doesn't allow us to speak into it, I think. Well, and I just think that some of the ways that churches apply, you know, that 1st Corinthians 14 where it says, you know,

in the churches, women are to remain silent, and, you know, they're not allowed to have authority over a man. And so, well, if I was a woman reading that and I wasn't a follower of Jesus, I was like, what the heck's going on here? Right. What are you saying? You're better than me, you know. So I had two sisters that you know well that used to live here.

They moved off. They were in town. And real close to our family, love, they love Jesus, you know. and they asked that they come by and they just wanted to ask me some Bible questions. So this was when I got back in town from the last event. We sat there and probably talked three hours. And they asked me numerous questions. But one of them is they asked me about the women's role in the church.

And they were asking questions about First Corinthians. So I thought, now here I am, you know, because they have, their heart is right. They love Jesus. Their life is, you know, consistent with godly principles. But it's just, they just, they want to know. And so I thought, you know, that's our problem in the church. We don't articulate and don't study enough to help. Here's two young women who I think will be fantastic leaders in the church.

So I said, well, look, here's what she got a member. And I brought up, we had one time, you know, Sadie, my niece, she has a pretty well global outreach for Jesus. She uses her platform, which we all received, you know, from our old duck show. And then she was on Dancing with Stars. Well, she's out there shared Jesus. And I know her heart. We know Sadie, you know.

She has a heart for the Lord. And as a dynamic speaker. And God built her the biggest platform because of that. Hang on, Jay, just let's take her last break. So she gets up and speaks at one of the local churches, you know, and well somebody asked me about that. They're like, because it was like a Sunday morning, and they're like, you know, what about these verses?

She shouldn't have done that. I said, what are you crazy? I mean, that was my initial response. But then I said, you know what? Because it kind of was a weird conversation, but I hadn't studied enough to have a quick answer. So I did. And not only did I think he was crazy based on what I read,

I now could tell him why. And so when they asked me about the women's role, well, I had that information ready because I'd already done the study over Sadie. I was like, and I told them, I was like, let me bring this up. Now, here's a girl. Here's a young single girl at that time. She's married now. I said, and she's out sharing Jesus with everybody.

I said, when you look at the church at Corinth, number one, this is a new church. Where are the elders? And you say, what are elders? Elders are husband and wife teams because in the qualification for elders, he says they should be the husband of but one wife. And this whole church was helped started by a husband, wife team, Priscilla and Aquila. And I know when God said what man is joined together, I mean, what God is joined together, talking about male and female, Matthew 19, let man not separate. The two have become one. God views that as a one unit.

Now, I told the two young sisters, I said, now I do think the church has not adequately shown that because I think when the elders meet and you know how I feel about that, I think it should be them and their wife at all times. They're a unit because I think they would give a perspective on things like this. So let's say a young girl, Sadie, who's out doing great things, to apply this to First Corinthians 14 to finish my point. She comes in and somebody says,

hey, I think we should have her get up and speak and share all the great things she's doing in the world. By the elders making that decision, and then she gets up in front of men and women, there's no longer an authority issue. Right. This is something awesome that she's sharing and the elder teams that God put in place in numerous lists have decided this needs to be shared.

And you say, well, why did he say that in Corinthians? And where would it be wrong? Where it would be wrong is if Sadie's sitting on the back row while someone else is speaking and she stands up and starts hollering saying, listen to what I'm doing across the world. Well, now we're all looking around like, what the heck's going on here? Which would cause chaos. And, you know, which is what was happening.

Which is what was happening here. Well, look, both these girls I shared that with, they got teary-eyed because they thought, well, that makes sense. And they said, why has no one told us that? I said, I don't know. I guess you didn't ask. But it made them feel like, oh, wow. And so what I did was I went over and read what I mentioned while ago, second reading us, five, and six about us being ambassador. and us, God making his appeal through us.

I said, does anybody deny that that's men and women? They're like, well, of course it is. I said, well, how come it's okay for us to represent God, male or female, outside the church building, but it's not okay inside? Yeah, it makes sense. I said, I think we've missed what the problem at Corinth was. When you get disconnected from the head

and you're not getting your identity as being sons and daughters of God where there is no male or female. He says it in 1st Corinthians 12. I said that's why I think the churches have done it a disservice because they made a rule that, oh, you can glorify God as a woman outside of the building. But when you come in here, sit down and shut up. Well, I wouldn't like that either, you know? And I think it all came from a misdiagnosis.

I'm sure people disagree with me, and you know what, that's fine. Study it and form your own conclusion. But I'm 100% sure that God looks at male and female in complete equality as soldiers of the cross, and there are units that are deemed by churches as leadership. And that's where when you want to talk about authority, those couple, power couples, are getting their authority from Jesus Christ, and they're making decisions. who's speaking and who's, you know, talking. And so after having said all that,

my wife getting up and speaking in front of thousands of people with me on the front row would not bother me one whit. You say, because there's nothing, we're a team. Because she does that in song. And I do that, you know, in speech. What is the difference? What are we splitting hairs? There's no rules in that.

Plus Phillips daughters. He had, what was it, three daughters? Four daughters. Four daughters. And they prophesied. You're like, what were these girls doing? And that's why we just did a series on Acts at our church. And so what I wanted to do is tell modern stories that go along with these stories we read about in Book of Acts.

Well, that's men and women. So we heard great stories, great testimonies of people whose lives have changed, men and women. Because why would I want to cut off half of our workforce? You know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. But the bottom line is, Al, if people, when you're one thing to say you're focused on Jesus, But if you're going around a building, telling people to take their hat off, because you're going to invite people from the world, and they don't know your rule, your made-up rules,

and you're going to be way more offensive and burn a bridge of sharing Jesus with people, if you're trying to figure out these little subtleties about how we're going to operate on a Sunday morning. It's terrible. One Wednesday night years ago, an older gentleman, that we all know. He came up to me and I was teaching that night

and there were three guys, three visitors that had come in and they all had their hat on. They were sitting over there on the side. He came to me. First he said,

are you going to go over there and tell them those three guys take their hats off or am I? I said, you know, it's one of those moments

you just have. I said, neither you nor I are going to go over there and tell those three visitors to take that hat off. I said, if you do,

then you and I are going to have a serious conversation when I'm done here. And he looked at me and never get his eyes, got so big and he went over there and sat down he never said a word. I was thinking these three young guys that come in here to hear me

teach and what you're going to do is march over there and offend them right off the bat over wearing a hat on a Wednesday night in a church building. I want to read this. I was hot. To your point Jason. So I'll prophes I prophesize. You prophesy.

Misi prophesies say to you to wait a minute. It's a family structure. you say you have men and women you say and the whole bunch prophesize all it is is they speak the word

they speak the word of God yes it does too yeah they're not like they're like way above somebody no it's just what they do because if you listen you'll say hmm at a personal level my wife is better than me you know you're going along and all of a sudden it's male male then whoa

female female then male well we're almost out of time so I just want to say I think subtly what I was saying is I think the disconnect is most churches just have men as viewed as the leadership. And where I have a problem with that is they're married in Christ and they're assembled power teams. It's an age old struggle. Yeah. And I think they've missed that because I think if they would make that public, even in their leadership, in their meetings, even when they get up in front of the church,

You know, I've been to some churches where, like, the pastor and his wife get up. I love it. It's good. Because Missy and I do that at some event. So I wanted to read this. This is the last section in 1st, Corinthians 16. Nobody ever reads these types of things. But based on everything I've said, I think there's some subtleties here that are kind of humorous and somewhat disturbing because of our applications off.

But at the end of 1st, Corinthians 16 and verse 19, it says the churches in the province of Asia, These are his final greetings. It says they send you greetings. Well, here's Aquila and Priscilla come up again. They greet you warmly in the Lord. And so does the church that meets at their house, which is so opposite of the problems that were happening where this couple is doing what you're supposed to be doing. Do you not think she's doing any speaking?

It just seems ludicrous when you look at the big picture of what was happening. Then it says, all the brothers here send you greeting. And for all these police, these church police, look at this next verse. Greet one another with a holy kiss. Well, there's a direct command. While you're taking the hat off, why are you not going around making sure everybody's kissing each other with a holy kiss? Which is the problem you get into. Boy, throw that in the middle of the coronavirus.

Yeah. And then in verse 22, which is the point I made, when you do. don't focus on that, that where I started, which is we're sons and daughters of God, we're followers of Jesus Christ and representatives of him, and we have the Holy Spirit in us. When you're not focusing on that relationship, you start getting into these little subtle things that you think are important that are not. And so then he says this, which I think this is a profound, profound verse and a bumper sticker moment in 22. It says, if anyone does not love the Lord,

A curse be on him. Come, oh Lord. When you don't love Jesus as your Lord, which he said it over 90 times in First Corinthians, Jesus is Lord. Everything should be revolved around that premise. And if it's not, chaos ensues. So there's a Corinthian overview.

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