Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 269 | The Fastest 75 Years Phil Ever Spent and Looking for Hope in the Wrong Places

Episode Date: May 2, 2021

Phil just had a birthday and says there’s not that much happy about it. Jase looks at faith vs. science. The guys discuss how people look for hope in things like space exploration instead of God. They also dive into why bad things happen and whether or not cremation is biblical. And Al explains his approach to sharing Christ in his community. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, I didn't mention it. I didn't mention it on the podcast yesterday. We were recording. But I did mention it on purpose because I actually thought about it, because I know how you've been kind of down on all the birthday talk. But yesterday was your birthday.

Of course, it's come and gone. So you're 75 years old. What's your take on three quarters of a century on planet Earth? Yeah, my take on it is, and nothing happy about it. About happy, happy, happy birthday, I'm like, no, ain't nothing happy about it. That's the fastest 75 years I ever spent in my life. I mean, it's like to me. I just got here and you're like, good night.

I wake up in the morning. I'm like, whoa, what in the world happened? I've got kids pushing 60 years, oh, Al, you're one of them. I'm 56. your offspring is 56 years old and it was pretty fast for me too was it fast I'm trying to process that's the fastest 75 years you've spent in your life in my life but your life and it was his life is 75 years that's why you got to think about it jason until it comes to you you've you've stopped my brain here I've had a brain stop oh yeah I think this is a new definition

for brain freeze. I don't I have seen it before, Jay's. Listen, you who say today or tomorrow, today or tomorrow, we'll go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money. Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for, let's see, you're a mist that appears for a little while. and then vanishes.

This is 2,000-year-old writing, Chase. Instead, here's the way you ought to view your demise or your departure. Instead, you ought to say, if it's the Lord's will, we will live and do this or do that. Well, I say that. Yeah. I was just trying to figure out what you meant by then. He says, don't get too hearty about today, tomorrow, what I'm going to do. I'm going to plan this and plan that.

He said, you better think about that. And you say, you better work in what the Almighty has said. Basically, James is saying if it's a mist that just kind of appears and leaves, that's what I'm alluding to when you were saying. I'm not quite getting it was the fastest 75 years you ever spent. I'm explaining when a little mist comes, Jason, early in the morning. You look up and that mist is gone. You're like, that was quick.

That's all I'm saying. Quick, quick. Yeah, I just was having trouble processing that statement. It was just weird. But you were right. We were talking about this, I think, before we started actually filming this. Because I wasn't familiar with this verse. Job 14-1.

But I think Job said this. Did he not? I don't know, but that is important as to who's... Well, right. Because I've had people come to me. Because some of Job's friends had some stupid things they said. Well, and even Job, even though he was, you know, it turned out great, when you lose, you know, your family and everything you have

and you have your, you're afflicted with sores, and the evil one is just giving you a right and a left. And you're sitting on a pile of dung, and you're assessing the situation. You tend to say stupid things in that moment. And so a lot of people, they will, I think this is a good case for the word context. People will go and read a saying from Job or one of his friends during that moment. And they'll say, see, I'm going to live by this principle.

But most of the advice Job's friends gave him between chapters, Al, you know it better than I do. What? Chapters, it's a big section. It's most of it. And 40? 40, yeah. 30, yeah. It's really bad advice for life because they're like, this is all your fault.

And it actually wasn't. There was a confrontation between the evil one and God, and he's like, hey, Job will hold up under the pressure. So did I read Job 14?1? No, you didn't read it. Oh, well, let me read. May I do like what he says, but go. Go ahead. Well, I was just to say to prove your point, when you get to the end in Joe 42,

God said, hey, your friends, idiots. I mean, that's not, I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said. So he backed up everything you just said. Well, you've got to be careful is when somebody who is a professional smokeblower, bull crapper, whatever you want to do it, when they pick an obscure verse in that section of Job, and then they say, well, here's a life principle for you. Because God, you're right, rebuked them saying bad advice. Job 14, 1, which I do think Job said this.

He said, man born of woman, is a few days and full of trouble. You said, in that aversion of Bible, I said, I don't know if I'm familiar that. But the reason I wasn't familiar is because I used caution between Job 4 and 40. But it said he springs up because you got to remember. remember right when he's saying this, it's like what you said about, I don't know why everybody's saying happy birthday. He ain't nothing happy about this. He was having one of those days here. So it's been a little negative. He springs up like a flower and withers away like a fleeting shadow. He does not endure. I'm scared to keep reading because I haven't read it beforehand.

It's a truth, though. And one thing is for sure, Dad, you and I are at different place, not to try to gross out our audience. But, I mean, I called you last week getting the name of your urologist. So when that happens, we're at a different point in our father-son relationship. Yeah. And you start, you know, sharing information about the prostate. That's, you know, what's your PSA count? What are you taking to help out?

I mean, I. How many times you pee in? during the night. I've reached a point where I will get up at least once during the night. But you're saying you get up multiple. I bet you I got up seven or eight times. Somebody's, you ought to have your prostate check. I'm like, yeah, what else is new? So, you know. It brings up that old joke, you know, two streaks to the outhouse by a willy make it, you know, that book. That's right. You know, it's interesting that throughout the Bible.

That's funny. I just looked over my concordance then, and I just looked up life. Husbands in the same way. Be considerate as you live with your wives. Treat them with respect as the weaker partner. And as heirs with you, so you've been with them a while, and he's talking about how you treat your woman. And he said, as he's inheriting with you, the husband,

of with you of the gracious gift of life i don't know i think sometimes we uh you know when they when the human race turns on its own children and slaughters them they're they're not i don't think they're seeing the peter peter said this in first peter chapter three i don't think they view life their life as a gift a gracious gift so you know you know You know, when that Acts 3 that we just went over studying the book of Acts, this just keeps, almost haunts me in a good way, but it just keeps coming up in my mind. When Peter is talking to him, so you handing him over to be killed,

you disowned him before Pilate, although he had decided to let him go. I mean, you know, y'all stepped in. You disowned. when they turned on Jesus and killed him, took his life, you disowned the Holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you. And then he said, you killed the author of life.

When you view life and see Jesus as the author of it, that means he created it, he made it life itself. You look at it that way. And I'll tell you one thing. as the years add up, there is kind of an abiding hope that helps you not fear it. You see what I'm saying? It's a hope that's in your psyche and you don't fear it. It's not like you don't dread it in it.

You just, you know, the Apostle Paul said when we leave our bodies, leave our tents, we groan. and it's kind of like a burden because we don't like that in between we leaving our bodies our soul our spirit leaving our bodies to go back to the dust and then the return of Jesus it's just that period of time i don't think it's i don't think we're conscious of time i think you close your eyes your soul and spirit leave your body to be with god you know you've made it you're rejoicing and your body is dead and asleep. But you, Jesus said, you believe in me, you'll never die. So that's kind of factored into all of that. It's quite the promise. I think it's interesting. In that Joe passage, he says, because you got to remember what's going on here, I mean, he is,

he's at a low point here. Oh, he's been cleaned out. Yeah. And I mean, we're, early on in the self, I guess. Loathing. Yeah, loathing. What James is talking about, you know, you're saying you're going to do this and another, you better think about old Job over. He thought he had it all. He had cattle, I mean, family.

Yeah, but look what he says. He said, man's days, this is five, 14, five, I started reading on, are determined you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed. Yeah. Depressed. So look away from him and let him alone. You know, I'm hideous till he has put in his time like a hired man.

Then this is how bad, I mean, I'm not making fun of him because I know that was a tough situation, but it says at least there's hope for a tree. If it is cut down, it'll sprout again, and its new shoots will not fail. Its roots may grow old in the ground, and it stumped die in the ground, and it stumped die in the soul yet at the scent of water it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant but man dies and is laid low he breezes last and is no more as water disappears from the sea or a river bed becomes parched and dry so man lies down and does not rise till the heavens are no more men will not awake or be roused from their sleep so you see he's just going that would be a great example of him feeling so bad that he's like there's no hope this is horrible but then he does say this if only you would hide me in the grave and conceal me till your anger has passed if only you would set me a time and then remember me because he thought god was doing this to him yeah which it was the evil one if a man dies

will he live again so he has that question we have a little confusion here about the resurrection of the dead because there's no promises made about the resurrection at this point. Yeah, and he just saw all his family die. He's looking at it from a heathen view. But he did say. You got to remember he was, he was an ancient. And so in the ancient days especially, I mean, this is pre-Judaism even. I mean, all you had was your family legacy.

Like it lived on through your kids. They didn't really have any other understanding than that. So if you lost all them in one fell swoop and then your wife says, I hope you curse God and die, I mean, and then you get sick. I mean, there ain't much left. I think it's a great analogy, though, for our current culture, because that's how they feel the same way. Because then his buddy, Ella Fas, the next chapter, he's like,

what an idiot to say these things. You know, he was just like, you're evil. This is why all this happened. You're no good. Just coughing all out. and get it on with. Tell us what happened. Tell us what you've been doing. What have you been doing to cause this? You're being punished because you messed up bad, but you won't on up to it. I mean, they just ragging about it. Which is no different from our culture. Why is this happening? Why do bad things

happen? It's really, you know, they start off with the first book that was actually written is this scenario that as time goes by, the same scenario happens. Why are people, why are bad things happening? you know, it's depressing. But where's the, where's the future? How does this end? Jay, let's take a break. But then to Dad's point, which is brilliant, when you look at it in Acts 3, so Peter's, this is thousands of years after Job.

And Peter is challenging them and saying, you guys thought it was a good idea to let out a murder and to kill a man who's completely innocent. I mean, what a mindset. Now you come forward another 2,000 years. And we got people saying, you know what, we should let people out of jail. I mean, just willy-nilly. And then we should lock up people who don't wear a mask or do something else that we don't like.

I mean, you're like, what? I mean, have we lost our minds? Have we gone insane? It's the same mindset. Well, Missy had a good point on that. We were discussing when she was writing her blog pre-resurrection day. is that in i think bill o'reilly brought this out too in his book killing jesus that you know back then when you wanted to do somebody in i mean you you could call it a public trial but you basically

you know they did that in the wee hours of the morning and the people that would have supported jesus they're all sleeping or with their family i mean so i think a lot of reason they're give us Barabbas is they you know once from a political standpoint they want to do you in nothing's changed in our world about that they'll do you in they'll get a rant

they'll fix the jury fix the trial you know as far as in the public persona of how that was so I do think that was a factor back then you had you had people who just felt

Jesus was a threat and let's let's trump up some charges and do him in i mean we'll end this right here yeah this i i looked up this own it means to repudiate to to to to to just uh i mean have nothing to do with make no you know have no i mean it it means block him out i mean he he is i mean think about out the author of life and and he's he's dying you say well how does that work well i love the point jace made when we were talking about that that's an oxymoron if you just look at it straight up i mean how could you possibly kill the author of life well you couldn't unless he was willing to give his own life because as we know they didn't really they killed him but he allowed it to happen because he came here for that purpose i think a bigger point of both of them he repeated he repeated

told them what they were going to do. You're going to kill me. Right. He told his disciples, like, they're going to kill me. Three days, I'll come false from the dead. They're all like, do what day. It never mentioned except one time where Peter said, that's never going to happen. Well, Jesus turned on him quickly and it called him Satan.

You know what I'm saying? The rest of the time, they just kind of looked at each other and thought, what, what's he talking about? Well, the underlying point, dad, is that you can't really. kill the author of life, that's the problem because he won't stay dead. Which is why he's the author of life. Exactly. Can't get rid of it.

To me, that was my favorite part of Peter Sermon when he said it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. Yeah. That's the one. That's the only thing that makes the 75 years that went so quickly. That's the only thing I out. At the end of the day, I'm seated here now. I feel better just because I drove over here and we've mentioned this.

Oh, look. You sure. Every time I hear the word impossible. You're feeling better by the minute. I'm feeling better by the minute. The more we talk, the better I feel. Every time I hear the word impossible in the Bible, and there's several, I've looked up every one,

that music of Mission Impossible, the movie, the lie, the movie that was the lie, it was Mission Impossible, and then he goes out and does it. Okay. I hear that music. Because I'm thinking, you tried to kill Jesus, and it was impossible. That, you were a mission impossible? Now, there's something to make a movie about.

Because the only thing that was true about that was that music. Awesome. And I watched the movie as entertaining. But my point is, it was all a lie in this mission impossible. was built on truth that he is the author of life and it's impossible to kill him. Yeah. Another point that fits both those contexts you were talking about. So remember, this all started with Job in heaven with Satan basically saying,

you know, I've been looking around for somebody to ravage and God says, hey, have you thought about Job? Which frightens me to no end to think that that conversation could happen. happen because, you know, you're thinking, you know, if he looks at you and says, he's blameless and upright, why don't you give him a shot? And he does. Please don't pick me, Al. Please don't pick me.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, most starts like, oh, I don't want that. I don't want that. So, but then he makes another run at him. But look, after everything Joe went through, and look, he went through some serious soul searching, like you said, but he did not curse God. And at the end, he was proved to be exactly what God said he was. But my point was that whether they killed them.

killing Jesus or what you're seeing today in the streets or, you know, Job's friends, Satan is the one that's the architect of all evil. So sometimes you look at people and you're like, I don't know, we just need to kill these people or do something to these people. But remember, Satan is the one behind the scenes pulling all the strings with these people. They're just blind guys that don't know. They're just following evil. Yeah.

That stands out in that book of Job. It's never addressed that, I mean, especially in our story. social media world. I mean, there's something to be said about getting terrible advice. I mean, he got the worst possible advice and still live to tell about it. But that really comes out there about all these theories on why bad things happen and what's wrong with your life. And I guess I think about all this psycho babble that's out there about why we do the things we do.

And I'm like, you know, it seems to me. It comes back to this battle of good and evil. Everything seems to revolve around that. It does revolve around that. You know, it's pretty interesting. People go to great lengths to try to prove that there is no author of life, none. You know, if you say we're just a ball of molecules that came out of the ocean that somehow salt water melded us and put it. us all together, put a brain on top of her inside her head, and gave us these thoughts about

the cosmos, where to come from, what am I doing here? Where am I going? Is there a way out of here? Well, you know, if you had no hope of that whatsoever, just take out, take out the author of life, just move him out of the way and take your chances without him. I can see how people would be a little bit oppressed in their thinking and do some crazy things. I mean, if you have no hope, I mean, what we're saying today, they listen to that. They're saying, them idiots, they actually think that they're going to keep living after they die. Yeah, the last Bible, well, the last Bible study I had that went down this vein, I said, look, because they were like, it's science. It's all about science. I said, it's all about a scientist. I said, it's all about a scientist.

I said the difference, I believe in science. I said, but I'm going to point back to the origin of life to a scientist, which would be God. You're just using the science without a scientist being the origin. I said, I have trouble with that. No matter what your science says, if it never leads to an actual scientist in the beginning, I'm going to have to question your science. I mean, Jace, follow the science, Jays, follow the science.

Follow the science. It better lead to a scientist. They're like, well, we have them now. I said, yeah, but I have them then and now. It's just one being or three depending on your interpretation, but three in one works for me. They've scattered somewhat into the, oh just barely

barely going out a little ways when they got to the moon they said we did it we got to the moon there's nothing we can't do but now they got a rover it's on Mars

they're they are scrambling as best they can to get out there but it's way too big for them it's light years you'd have to visit other places but they've got this quest

out they're looking don't ever doubt this. They're looking for water because they think if they find water, water is the author of life instead of Jesus Christ. They say if we can find water, we think we can find life.

So far, Al, it's a zilch. Nothing. No water and no life. And they're saying, what are you going to do? We're going to keep looking We're going to keep looking because we think somewhere out there we're going to run into it.

You've got planets on our left, no water and no life. Planets on our right, no water, no life. And then the last, there's not about four of them that actually you could put a rover on them. The rest of them are just balls or gas. And they're saying it's got to be just a smidget of life and we can find it. Some of them you can actually fly through. Hey, James, let's take a break. So what I'm saying is, though, I mean, three-fourths of the planet's water.

How much of your body's water? Oh, like almost 80%. My point is the money you will spend and the things you will do in order to see if we can find life some other place than here. And so far, it has been zero. They just haven't stumbled up on life or water as far as I can tell. But guess what? If they do. There's a large use to have water because we're not.

Look at that surface look. They said, we got, I think we can find some water at both poles. If we could just find the water. But Phil, if they do find it, they're going to die on their way there. I'm saying, what are we doing here? Yeah. It's like, hey, we found water. All right, by the time we get there, we'll be long gone.

They say Mars is just full of rocks and iron, metals. And they said, well, we found rock and we found iron. It's a metal. detector's dream. But they are scratching and scrambling and bring it back and inspecting them. They're saying, was there ever life here? They just have not come up with it. And I don't know. I just hate to be in a position to where I had absolutely no hope. So I'm looking at these old writings about the author of life. And I said, you know what? It makes me more comfortable to know that 75 years just went,

and I said, I'm looking ahead. I'm like, if this is all there is, that was fast, is all I have to say. Mighty fast. Well, you know what we need to do is we need to come up with a machine that's a water detector and sell it to the people going to space to find water. They will buy them as fast as you can get them out. Man. They are hunting that water.

You'd think it'd be a little bit of somewhere out there, but then so far, no, they didn't even scratch the surface as far as travel goes. I mean, I read the other day, and it's a, it's a hundred thousand light years our galaxy is, if you just went across it to get one. It's a hundred thousand light years wide. I mean, just think traveling at the speed of light,

186,000 miles a second. It's 100,000 light years from one end of the other. Al, we're not going out there. We don't have a vehicle or any other thing that's going to get us out there. They're not going to be able to find. They haven't found water and they haven't found life. They're still looking and they're looking at what we're calling the author of life. And it's what it says.

And you're like, at least we have hope of that. I don't know. We're not getting out of here. here, unless this is not true. It's just that simple. So I'm going with it. Y'all will follow suit. So when I pass on, don't be moaning.

Look, put on some Cretus Clearwater Revival, you know, down on the river. Play something, but don't be crying and saying, boy, we lost old Rob, lost their dad. No, you didn't. Not according to Peter. Peter said, I know I'll soon put this tent aside as the Lord Jesus has given me. Talking about his body, and I'll make every effort to see that after my departure, he was looking at death like, no, physical death. He said, no, it's just, you just move on. And you put your body is in the ground, but you, your soul and spirit are alive. You get your

body back when Jesus returns. So he wasn't worried about it at all. And he's the one that's scampered out of there when they crucified him. So something had changed his mind. I think the same thing. The reason you weren't happy about 75, but now you seem happy because you started thinking about what you're in on. Yeah. So we...

It's actually shortened the time to begin the reward process, which is pretty amazing. So in lieu of that, I wanted to tell you something that happened last night because we were talking the last podcast about, you know, living, kingdom living. And we're talking about, you know, how do we live and what does that look like? And I thought it was a perfect example of how people recognize something in you.

Maybe we were talking about love that flows out of people. So Lisa and I are sitting in our backyard here, down here. And we decided to have dinner outside. It was beautiful. It was weather's perfect. And so, like, we fixed our plates. We went outside. We're sitting just kind of in the middle of the bald open, you know, about maybe an hour before dark.

And so one of our neighbors who was just getting back to her house, she sees us. So she brings her supper out and sits with us. So there's three of us sitting at a table of four. We're talking. Have a spiritual conversation really good. And then my neighbor from across the street walks up. And I could tell he was kind of upset. He had tears his eyes.

And so he starts telling us this story about, you know, he's a fisherman. He's a boat captain down here. And he fishes every day. And he had been out in a kayak where he lost his phone. He's a brand new kayak. He lost his phone in the water. Is that where the tear is coming from? Well, I'll get to that.

that started his day in a bad way. He said, I was just having the best day. I was fishing. Life was good. I was communing with the almighty. He said, then I turned the wrong way, dropped my phone. And now my phone doesn't work. He said, but that's no big deal until I get home. And his wife found out her brother who lives in, brother-in-law, who lives in Tennessee. It had a bad accident on the side by side, flipped it over and wound up in a river and about cut his leg off. And well, the wife just took off, you know, to go be with her sister because she's a nurse here. Well, the guy was upset because he had no phone. He couldn't call her.

He really wanted her to wait and then go together. So it was kind of upset with her, but worried about her at the same time. You could just tell you was kind of been, I said, well, sit down here. Let's talk for a minute. And so I said, why don't we pray for your brother. Now, what's his name? Tell him his name. And, you know, like he said, he's in tears.

So he gave him his name. I said, what's your wife's name? And gave me his wife's name. So we just took a minute, the four of us enjoying hands at my table sitting out in the backyard and we had prayer. And I prayed that it wouldn't be as severe as the initial report and that, you know, God would already start working on it. So we sat around and talked for maybe 30 minutes and he got up. And this is what made me think about that when you said you were feeling so much better. He looked at all of us. He said, I feel so much better after talking to

y'all and praying. He said, just thank you all so much for doing it. I mean, he was just genuine. Now, no tears. He was like, you know, it's going to be okay. So he, he, he, he, he, he, he's going to be okay. So he heads back over to his house. And let's take a break. And then about an hour, 30 minutes later, we're sitting on the back porch. And he walks up and he says, you ain't going to believe it. God has already answered that prayer.

And I was like, what? He said, my wife's on her way back. She just got a call from them. It wasn't as severe as they thought. He's got to go to surgery, but he's probably not going to lose his leg. And now she's coming back home. And I got my phone to work, you know, so I could talk to her in the car. and he said, you know, just God is good, you know.

And he was like, I said, well, let's pray again because we're going to tell him. And then the wife shows up and then comes over and we had another prayer. So what I'm saying is, you know, we just have met these people, but already like they're drawn to something. And last night, I mean, I saw him out in the yard this morning. He said, God's still good, didn't he? I mean, he's still answering prayer. And I just thought, you know, people sometimes make it more complicated than it should be.

it's just living in a community and showing Jesus and having those conversations. So it was just a, I thought it was a stark example. Yeah, true. I think the struggle comes in, though, when something like happens to Joe, where it doesn't work out. You know, and it's like, what, you know, what if it would have turned worse? You know, eventually you're going to, you get to having to trust, even though you don't really understand why. this is happening or because i think there's joys there's hills and there's valleys that's why i think you know when you study the word with this creator with a person in view going back to the science

scientist illustration which you can do about everything when people want to discuss where the creation comes from comes from i'm always going to go to the creator no matter what aspect you pull up, you go to DNA. You want to discuss that. Is it from God or not? I'm going to go to the encoder. I'm always going to go to the person, and they're always going to go to the writings,

the thesis, the manual. So I think that's what it's really all about because there are some crash landings in the Bible. I mean, most of the main characters all died, horrible deaths. You think about it. When Peter is talking about leaving his body and going on to be with Jesus, he said, I know I'll soon put my tent aside as the Lord Jesus has made clear to me. I'll make every effort to see that after my departure, which is a lot better than demise,

after my demise, he could have said, but he said after my departure, I'm leaving here. You'll always be able to remember these things. Now, watch this. We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Just think about it. Charles Darwin pulled one of the most clever, invented stories. Might clever. We came from saltwater. Saltwater is what made us. Micropes. Peter said, look, we didn't follow stuff like that, cleverly invented stewards when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He's the author of life. But we were eyewitnesses of His Majesty. He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the majestic glory saying,

this is my son. Peter and them were there that day, and they saw them walk up on that mountain, and there's Elijah and Moses, and they're seeing, they've got glowing faces. He said, this is my son,

whom I love, the voice of heaven, him, I'm well, pleased. We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him

on the sacred mountain. And then he talks about the prophets and saying this word is like a light shining in a dark place. You know, if you take away the fear of death and it's conquered for you, and you know what they say about just you're departing to into immortality, well, that's going to be hard to top that from anywhere. So this is the only time, only thing I believe we have on planet Earth. that makes these kind of promises all because of one person.

Well, with historical evidence. Yeah. I mean, I've used this example. I don't know why everybody wouldn't say. I'll tell you what. I'll think I'm going with that. I've used this example many times. There's a lot of them.

For us to believe that this is all just a made-up story to make weak people feel better, which is what people who don't believe I've heard them say, for all these guys who wrote this and you can go look at different history books or Josephus and see these characters, they would have had to come up with a lie and then die for it, knowing it was all just a big, glorious lie, just seems a little different than people. I mean, I know people die for bad causes we've we've America's seen that but to know it was all a lie that he didn't because it all hinges on the resurrection you know if Jesus didn't come back from the dead I wouldn't be sitting here talking about this be either I mean that was the game changer and I think it's the

game changer in people's lives when they struggle because we are like flowers we are like grass I mean, it is quick. That's why Jesus' greatest line, in my opinion, the greatest is when he said, I am. Yep. Because your mind has trouble processing that. Because guess what? We are not. We're trying to slow down.

It's all relative the way we look at it. Just one day after another, it's just like a blur that's happening. And look up, we won't be here. But I believe we'll come back because of things like you just referred to. I mean, the transfiguration that's always been one of the motivating things. I'm like, and people will say, well, what exactly was going on? I don't know. Supposedly dead, two dead men are standing beside Jesus.

Well, one never died. One never died. And one that couldn't find his body. Well, one did die. And they couldn't find his body. and they're hanging out on a mountain in some kind of radiational view. And it's not even just that. It's like that comment Paul made in Corinthians when he said,

you know, you want to talk about boasting. He said, you know, I knew a guy. Where's that at? Second Corinthians 12, I think. He said, I knew a guy that was called up to the third heaven. I'm like, oh, there's three? Hey, Jason, let's take another break. I'm like, this is the kind of space travel that I'm into.

I don't want to go find a planet where there's water, and I'm dying before I get there because Star Trek's not real. There is no warp speed. You can't go so fast and travel, oh, but one of these days we'll figure it out. No, you won't. You're not going to make it. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that right now. You will not make it.

Too big. If you bring a wife and have a kid on the way and have somebody there to stagger that maybe your children's children will make it and find some water. But while you're doing that, I'm going to try to figure out how to go to this third heaven. Because he saw things that were not allowed for men to speak of. And they were inexpressible. Yeah. And I think it was a positive. If I began to tell you what I saw, your brain will, your brain will explode.

Yeah. And I'm like, I want that explosion. It does give you a hint that there's definitely things that are going on because we get a lot of questions. And dad kind of alluded to one of our questions earlier about the process of how it happens. Because even last night, I told you we were discussing with my other neighbor. And she asked me about cremation. And we get this a lot on the podcast. That's a process question.

In other words, that's like, well, I just don't know how. How would that be possible? You know, someone is cremated and their ashes are thrown into the, you know, Grand Canyon. How would it be possible for them to be, you know, brought back together? But you got to understand that the God who were talking about created you. I mean, you weren't. And then you were.

And you came from dust and you'll go back to it. So what's the thing? And you'll go back to it. And look, everybody that's ever, everybody that's ever lived goes to dust. I mean, whether you cremated or they put your body in the ground. That's correct. Eventually, if you're under. ground long enough, you're back to

where you started. The author of life built you to begin with and when this one goes down, he'll resurrect it and redo it again. Well, if you got here somehow then you can come back. It wouldn't be a problem. If it's impossible for you

to die, then it doesn't matter if you're cremated. But human tradition came up with that and all this witchcraft and on the side and what happens when I'm stuck in the in-between and there's 10,000 thousand movies about this space in between and houses are haunted you know and I went metal detected a house of the day that nobody lives in anymore and it was not in a great part of town and I was like well I'll carry

my gun they're like oh you don't have to worry no one's going to come up there because they all think this house is haunted. I said, well, that's just my kind of place. Because I don't. I'm serving one. He's not, he's above haunted houses. So guess what? I went out there and nothing has happened.

It's been awesome. You didn't hear any voices or, well, I mean, the metal detector is doing this kind of thing. So a case could have been made. There was a power. surge that was happening to my metal detector. Uh-oh. Yeah, because I was telling the people who let me go there, and they were like, oh,

this is, it's haunted, it's haunted. I was like, yeah, okay. Resurrection. I'm going with the resurrection. But I think we look at it practically. Y'all were talking about we came from dust. I mean, I believe overall women look better than men, because they actually came from a rib. You know, we, the men can't, that's why we're, you know, we look like dirt.

If you had a choice, I'd have eaten dirt or eating ribs, what would you choose? That's why I'm saying. That's why overall, I mean, I hate to burst everyone's bubble. Women all together are, they're better. They have a better source. I mean, I dig in the dirt all the time. I look at ribs, I think. I mean, look, there's nothing earth shattering about a rib, but compared to dirt, oh, it's phenomenal.

These are the kind of things I think about. Yes, that's what scares me. I've never. We've lost your mic. Yeah. That's what, what? He'll get nervous. He said that's what we've noticed.

It's like when everybody took wrongly this idea, I think the reason revelation was written in visionary form was to try to get you to get a picture of, you know, heaven or the afterlife, but we don't have anything to relate, just like the 2nd Corinthians 12. These things are inexpressible. But all these people in our culture, they're like, oh, there's going to be streets of gold. And I mean, he just spent the first 65 books saying, God is not like gold or silver or images. And then we get to Revelation, oh, the greatest, because this is what I deduced. The greatest commodity in heaven will be what? Based on what people think. This is kind of a riddle. Yeah, yeah, the high precious metals. No, dirt. Dirt. Because they're like,

it's all gold and silver. Then it's like flip. Now if you can just go find some dirt to dig in, because I like digging in the dirt is my point. It's fun. So that's why I think it's wrong. They took a pitcher and they tried to apply it, it's inexpressible. It's so much better. Straight of gold, you're thinking way too small. That's right. He was, he used the greatest, flashiest thing that you could imagine to try to give you just, just an idea that, okay, this is awesome. But it's just like the Transfiguration and the 2nd Corinthians 12. It was inexpressible. You know, Peter was looking around at the ground, muttering to himself because he couldn't he's like boy it's good for us to be here isn't it

maybe i should make some shelters for y'all because if this gets out what there's nobody go believe this plus it's it it uh the picture it's always the saints they're glory they're singing they're they're all together it's the ones who died the romans slaughtered you get pictures of them and they're all praising god and they're all I mean, it's just a big family unit out in the, somewhere out in the cosmos, wherever. Well, I think it's beyond the cosmos. You know, that's why what I saw that third heaven thought I mean. All right, I'm going on this trip.

So when people ask me about global warming, I'm like, yep, it'll happen one day. When they talk about space travel, I'm like, yep, that's going to happen too. When they're talking about living forever, I'm, yep, I'm in on that too. I mean, Jesus covers all these bases. Plus, on top of everything else, we have the word of the prophets made more certain, Peter said. You'll do well to pay attention to it as a light shining in a dark place until the day it owns and the morning star rises in your hearts. You must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. He said, I know some of these things you're reading and what these prophets, these guys who were put together to write this, I know what you're thinking a lot of it.

He said, prophecy never had its origin in the will of man. Men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. There were false prophets then and there'll be false prophets now. Just stick with the dialogue. take close attention to what he's saying about life, death, and all the things in between and afterwards. It makes me think, though, Phil, you brought that up about there, were carried along by the Holy Spirit, which is why we have the incredible word of God.

But you know, the first couple of verses in Genesis says the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters of the earth. And then, you know, as we surrender to Jesus and we're baptized in this search for water, they should be searching for that spirit. Because if you get that, there's a game changer. Yep. That's what he told Nicodemus. So don't sweat the process.

You know, just trust the programmer. I mean, he laid it out. He said he'll take care of it. So that's above the pay grade. Don't worry about it. It'll be fine. You'll come back. Yep.

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