Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 270 | Phil's Answer to ANYONE Who Wants You to Eat Less Red Meat

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

Phil sends a message to nannies who want to combat climate change by limiting your meat consumption and offers a very different kind of hope for the world. Jase wonders what kind of person monitors cow farts for a living. The guys also dive into the biblical qualifications required to be an elder and how we should strive to act as Christians. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, yeah, the idea, Jay, is that we're going to basically lower the temperature of the planet by eating less red meat. That's it. That's what the scientists are, that's what the politicians say the scientists have said. So I just want you to get ready for that because I figure that may change your diet plans kind of on what you normally eat. I didn't know there was a dark day. I thought every day was Earth Day. Every day that you're on Earth, wouldn't that be Earth Day?

I have an answer to his dilemma. Oh, perfect. I got Peter talking about it here. The day of the Lord had come like a thief. No. The heavens will disappear with a roar. The elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it would be laid bare.

irregardless of cows passing gas. It all be gone. Therefore, what kind of people ought you to be? This thing is fixing to leave here. You're not going to save it by cutting back on the meat. That day I bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. It doesn't make a difference about the cow farts.

But in keeping with his promise, we're looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. So God's going to clean all this up for what you're trying to do through the cow meat. Don't eat the cow meat. Then, and now this is John the Apostle in the book of Revelation, Revelation 21.

Listen to what, with the knowledge of what Peter said, listen to what John says. Then I saw, he's going to give you a picture of what Peter was describing. I mean, this ball of fire in the cosmos is no more, kind of like when God created it. Then I saw John said, and he sees a picture of what Peter said, of a new heaven and a new earth.

Here's what it's going to be like, what Peter was referring to. The first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Peter told you how in 2nd Peter 3. There was no longer any sea, no more water. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, that's us, coming down out of heaven from God. prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for a husband. I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, Now the dwelling of God is with men.

Boy, what a new heaven and a new earth. And he will live with them. There'll be his people. There's your kingdom in the book of Acts. And God himself will be with them and he will be their God. And here's the kicker. He will wipe every, tear from their eyes. There will be no more death, Al, or mourning. Seventy-five years,

you get to worry about passing on. You're like, well, what should I do? He said, long as you're with God in the kingdom. You ain't worried about it, because he got this coming. There will be no tears. There will be no death, no mourning, or crying, Al, and you alluded to something earlier, our pain. You say, Job and all, there'll never be that replay again. For the old order of things, what we're seeing now, has passed away. You say, man, what a hope. So Peter and John agreed perfectly with what's going to happen to the planet Earth, and the calf farts is not what's going to do it in. God's going to do it in. He's already done and end once and left eight when he with water next trip is fire and he's just going to how would a

commercial fisherman even know about the destruction of the elements and the whole thing melting in the how in the world with a commercial fisherman with no education no college degree not an astrophysic for sure how would a commercial fisherman know those things pretty good point I think we should start a new day that Trump's Earth Day and just call it Heaven Day. Yeah. I thought that while ago. Yeah. I guess they would call that Easter that's it's Heaven Day.

But I didn't know we had an Earth Day. Oh, yeah. I mean, because look, I love to take care of the Earth. I think that's a great responsibility we have. but it seems like to me if we get down this road I could see these people making bathrooms in the woods for animals I think we might go down that road

because you think about it when you get in your mind we're a civilized people but the animals are not they're just spraying their stuff all over everything blame the cows when you get in your mind that the biggest problem we have is cows.

And when to get rid of them through these food laws, you can't eat meat. And that will solve our problem. They're missing the point completely. This thing, God made it, and the author of life is going to end it, and there'll be immortality on the other side of it,

and we'll live forever. They're trying to blame it on the cows, but God said, no, sin is the problem. There was a movie about that, Phil. that in open range. He's just saying, I made it, and I'm going to take it out. One of the greatest gun battles in any movie, it all got down to the end. And Robert DeValle said, and for what?

A bunch of cows. More. That's right. More cows. More cows. Yep. You know why, Jay. Because that old boy that got killed there at the end, he didn't like free grazes.

You know, he didn't think they should be grazing around on his grass. I think that's all started from the guy that had the, did the skit, said that we need more cowbell. You know, that planted the seed. And then they said, you know what? I know what we can do. We can stop these cows from doing what they do and the world would be a better place. I mean, to me, this is, any time we spend on this, validating this. insanity is a but i like where you pivoted to phil because that is true i mean i do realize

that in the greek in hebrew language when they use that phrase am i not right on this al the new heaven and new earth it was they would use that for any time there was a new order of things yeah right right correct and my point is whether because i believe the kingdom is here. I believe that's already taken place. We're part of that. So it doesn't matter whether we're on earth or in heaven. We're with God. Our eternity has started. You're like, what do you? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. It's really not. If you have the Holy Spirit of God, according to this Bible over and over, you're eternal. Impossible for death to keep its hold on you. So you go through this little speed bump, which is a box and being in a dead.

dirt, but you're going to lose track of time in that process from what I read. Anyway, so it's here. It's here. We're there. I mean, let's take care of this. Okay. But I'm beyond the earth. Well, there's a phrase, Jays, for people like us, for what dad just described.

And they call you science deniers. Or in particular, in this, talking about this, they call you climate science deniers. So in other words, if you're not willing to go along with what this guy says at this moment, which by the way, the scientists, everything I've seen about the coronavirus for the last year have been wrong about everything. Why would I trust them about what's going to happen 100 years from now or a thousand years from now? Well, they can't even predict what's going to happen in a year. We talked about this on the last podcast.

There's a phrase for them, God is the greatest scientist. That's right. That's the position. It's always going to go back to that. So if you or if you trusted in men, but you didn't trust in God, then you are a scientist denier. That's right. Is that a fair way to put it?

That's my position. And I will hammer that point until I live again. I was going to say till I die, but I just said I'm not going to die. So you're not going to die. And you wonder why at the base of the mountain. when the law was being put forth, they erected, of all things, a gold cow. That's true, Phil. Excellent.

And they all bowed down to the buggard, and they all bowed down to them, and they all got naked and started to have a sex with each other. And Moses came down and said, what are you doing the cow? The cow was right in the middle. We've been struggling with the cow. They've been struggling with the cow ever since we've been on planet earth.

Blame the cows. I mean, there was thunder and lightning coming, and all the people were scared to death when Moses finally came down off the mountain. And you know what he told them? Calm down. God is just trying to scare you so you'll quit sinning. Well, it didn't work, Al.

The law didn't do it. It didn't do it. Because not one of them kept it. and they were bowing down to the cow in the middle of it. Is that amazing or what? But your dad, you know what was ironic about the Israelites at the mountain was that the whole time they were getting there and then the whole time after they left there, which the law was given, but they wanted to go back to Egypt and go back under slavery because their freedom

wasn't what they thought it was going to be and to trust in God. So it was kind of ironic that people would want to put themselves. under slavery instead of being free. And that's kind of what this whole mindset is to that. Why would you do that? When someone from the government says who really needs, you just need to stop them right there. You know, why do people want to limit other people? Yeah, you wouldn't think the human race would get to this point, Romans 122,

although they claim to be wise. They became fools and exchanged the glory of the immoral God. for images made to look like mortal man, birds, oh no, and animals and reptiles. You say, do what? And he gives them over because of that to their sinful desires to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies one another. That's us. That's us, just as clear as it is, the nose on your face. That was written in the mid-50s, AD, and it's 2,021 years since Jesus showed up. You're like a couple thousand years later.

What are they doing? They're doing the same thing they've always done. They bow down to anything but God. Birds, animals, reptiles. Go back 4,000 years and they were doing it. Same thing. Under a sacred count. It cycles itself back through.

Let's take a break. We're going to save the planet. We're going to save the universe is what they're saying. We're going to save the universe. Yeah, I just bet you are. it's just nonsense. Well, don't get let it get you all worked up. I mean, I hear something like that.

I don't even give it that a moment's pause. I'm not worked up. I'm just quoting text. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying people hear that. I mean, I think the media, they inflame these ridiculous stories, so people will get worked up on one side or the other. I mean, how does that go through the cycle? Because you know they have meetings and say,

okay, what are we going to do today? All right, let's deal with the cows. You know, I think if we get everybody on board with cutting down their consumption to four pounds a year, I mean, I've seen people eat close to that in one sitting. And look, we're going to do this. We're going to save planet Earth. Yeah. And the cosmos.

Well, maybe extend it five or ten minutes. Yeah. the existential threat, right? Well, yeah, I think you have to put in the proper perspective. You're right, Jay's. But it is sometimes funny to point out some of the fallacies of thinking. I do think it's one of the reasons why the believers don't get been out of shape about, you know, like you said, we want to conserve the planet. I'm all about clean air, clean water.

But at the same time, ultimately, when God says it's going to go, it's going to go. And all your plans and, you know, I mean, I've been to a cow pastor. I've been to a chicken house. The chicken smell way worse than the cows. So I'm sure that's coming on. But they're not passing as much gas. Who's watching this? I look at chickens.

I've never heard a chicken make an audible sound. Who's watching it? Over half the country is watching it. I'm saying who's watching the chicken pass gas and the cow? I've never audibly heard a cow past gas. Scientist. They're just sitting there. I mean, is that your job?

You get up every morning. You go out there, you go out there, you sit down with a notebook, and I guess you name them. And you're like, well, Mabel is passing gas every 32 seconds. It has an erroneous aroma. They have a little meter or something. Joe over there ate something. This is making a hole in the ozone. Go to a volcano that just erupted, and you want to see the,

passing of gas. There's a lot of stuff coming out of volcanoes. And I figure, I guess they're saying, no, it's the cows doing the damage, not the volcanoes belching out all of these dust and clouds of gases. I mean, the CO2. So I saw the one that just went active in the Caribbean on one of the St. Vincent, I think it is. And it said one belch, one.

from one active volcano in the Caribbean a couple of weeks ago. One belch is more than the entire human race of carbon dioxide put in the air for 100,000 years. That is correct. So you're exactly right. And you're going to tell me that. I would tend to blame the volcanoes if you think that's going to do it in. God says I'm going to do it in. But the volcanoes, if they can't do it, you want to talk about passing gas.

Go to volcanoes. That is a big passage of gas going in every direction. And the dust cloud from it go all the way around the earth. Oh, it looks like a nuclear bomb. What I've seen, this place is volatile. Very volatile. That's right. You better look beyond the earth for salvation.

Jayce, you know why they haven't done anything about the volcanoes? No. Because they can't. They can't. You just get out of the way. Yeah. You get us. far away from it as possible and hope you don't burn up before you get away from there.

That's what you do with the volcano. I think the dividing line between me on this issue is people focus on the natural and I focus on the supernatural. It is. Call me crazy, but I'm a supernatural believer. So I'm preaching Sunday and I, and it was kind of a weird confluence of events that has led me,

I was a little bit of a conundrum about what to do. And I kind of had an epiphany yesterday when doing the podcast when we were talking from Acts 20 about Paul's farewell speech to the elders, which is really, really good. The more I got to look at it the more I liked it. So at our church Sunday, we are ordaining two new elders, kind of what we see in some of these acts texts that were done throughout all these. Ordening, because a lot of people including me. Well, the word kind of, the word, the word, the word.

The word could mean ordain or a point. So, you know, it's just a, so the idea is that you're going to recognize two new elder. And, but at the same time, it's traditionally a Sunday when we recognize our high school seniors, just, you know, congratulations. You're kind of going into the world. We used to give them a little charge. And the elders usually do that.

Well, it was on the same day. And so I was kind of going back and forward to. I kind of aim this more towards the kids or more towards the idea of leadership. So I was kind of reading text and Timothy. But then yesterday, when we were looking at Acts 19 and Paul's speech to the elders, I thought, man, well, he lays out a pretty good way to live. And then you remember right before that, in Acts was at 16, is when we first meet Timothy. And so I thought, man, you know, you're seeing both sides of the equation in Acts with Paul's travels.

You know, he's appointing these young guys like Timothy and Titus, who were young evangelists. I mean, they're new. And, you know, and then you got these other guys that are in these cities. They're all fairly new Christians because they haven't been around very long. But then you've got to get some older, wiser of your group to be able to watch out for these false doctrines and stuff like that, which is what he challenges them. So it really gave me this picture in my mind of both ends of the spectrum of the young and more wisdom. So that's kind of where I was going. Yeah.

You need to just focus on the young ones, because I've said this many times and people are highly offended, but I don't care. I think I'm right. People over 40, they're not going to listen. They've already made up their mind for the most part. So go to the young ones out. That's my advice. Do the Timothy part and highlight it. All I know for sure is, I talked to a guy one time and I said, you know,

know, and I mentioned the elders in the church, and he said, we don't have elders. And I said, well, if anyone sets his heart on being an elder, 1 Timothy 3, overseer some say, bishop some say, he desires a noble task. The overseer, the elder, must be above reproach. That's the kind of guy he is, hard to come up with something wrong about him. The husband of but one wife, it's hard to talk with divorce people if you've had a few divorces yourself, temperate, self-control, respectable, hospitable, people coming and going out of their houses all the time, able to teach, you must know his Bible, not giving much wine. Someone says, well, wait a minute now, not giving them much wine. That means he can't drink. No, he just can't drink very much. You say, well, how much is not much? it's not much not given too much wine

not violent not gentle I mean but gentle not violent but gentle if he's got a temper yeah yeah he's out not quarrelsome if he's bad about getting in the quarrelsome he's bad about getting in the quarrel

he's out lover of money call him he's not he's not a one he must manage his own family well uh oh and see that his children obey him with proper respect If anyone doesn't know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's shirt?

So you say, you mean this goes down to your children, and if they're belligerent and being a hard to live with, you're out. He must not be a recent convert, makes sense, or he may become conceded and fall under the same judgments as devil. He must also have a good reputation. Look out with outsiders, the unsaved, so that he will not fall into disgrace until the devil. the devil's trap. And by the way, the deacons are then mentioned. So therefore, it's pretty simple. Deacons, they can't be given much wine either, not pursuing dishonest gain. If he's slicking people other money, he's out. And they must keep hold of the deep truth of the faith and they're conscious. And the bottom line is their wives should be the same way. So you look at those aisle,

they're there for a reason. And going back to your statement about it in the book of Acts, they began to, in the kingdom of God, you see the beginnings of the structure of how the kingdom of God operates. And it includes elders and deacons because I'm reading what elders and deacons, what kind of people they are. So there's a whole thing about what nobody can make it

because everybody's a sinner. Granted. Well, everybody else. That's what I thought when you were reading. I was like, you know, from people that have never heard that, They're like, well, you pretty much just weeded out the entire population. Well, the guy I read to it, he says, we don't have them. And then I read this to him.

He said, you have just read why we don't have them. He said, we don't have anybody like that around here. And I was going to clarify. Hang on, Jay, hang on, Jess. Let's take a break. I was going to clarify, I mean, I was kind of joking about people over 40 not listening, but it is a general truth. But I think what happened.

is these young people are your energy are the lifeblood of a church and they're more open to hearing Jesus and they should be out there just running wide open and obviously the elders and the leadership should be helping mentor and help the situations that arise

that gets difficult because if you're out actively sharing Jesus especially on college campuses these days, there's a lot of things that come up that you need advice in and ultimately you need some wisdom for people from people who have been there who are solid that's why that's why the children are mentioned because he has to raise he and his wife have to raise their children to be like this they just don't get this coming out of the thin air there's a there's a structure involved, the way of life, handed down from the parents to the children. And when you see a family unit that's, that's, has, there's, there's no belligerence and

drunkenness and all these things that's mentioned right here, you put out all together and you say, hmm. And what happened, what's happened to America is we're running short of that type structure inside the homes. Well, when that meets the king, of God, there's a little friction there because you have to find the right men out of all the people on earth. Your locale, you have to come up with men and women, their wives, who are like this. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty tough. Well, I think that I think the thing that helped me with the axe comparison was that, you know, here's Timothy and and then Titus later, you know, these are, these are younger men who now are taking the reins because Paul and Barnabas and

Silas had been traveling through, starting these churches, appointing these elders. But he's about to go. I mean, we know he's going to go to Rome, and he's not coming back. So it's a challenge really to the next generation. And that's one of the, I think that's my challenge that I'm going to center on. And, Jace, I was thinking, you know, so many in First and Second Timothy, but at the start of 2nd Timothy chapter 1, Paul makes a very personal, like, passionate plead to Timothy. And I think this is going to be a great challenge. I thank God, whom I might. serve as my forefathers did with a clear conscience. I love that. As night and day, I constantly remember you, meaning Timothy, in my prayers. Recalling your tears of joy, I long to see you so that I

may be filled with joy. I've been reminded of your sincere faith, which first lived in your mother Lois and in your mother, Eunice, grandmother Lois, and Mother Eunice. And I am persuaded. That was that background. That's it. I was going to say what's unique about Timothy is, I believe the reason, obviously he had the faith of his mother and grandmother, and they were Jews, as we know. But you know, he was also the perfect fit for this new hybrid church because his

father was a Greek. So I don't think it's any accident that Paul saw something in him. Other people would say, a lot of Jewish people said, well, you can't have a half-breed person trying to tell us what to do, but he was actually the perfect one because he's bringing together and tearing

down the wall of hostility between Greek and Jews. And what people need understand our listeners you say well how how are they selected well the congregation their names is put before the congregation and the congregation says points to this one and that one and the other one and they said these are the are the guys that we're putting up to be ordained like he mentioned while ago jays as elders and i guess it'd be a good time to let people know we haven't ever said this i don't believe, but Al, you and I are elders. I've been there. I'm the oldest one at our congregation. I'm the oldest one standing. You are the senior statesman. I started as the youngest one, but years passed

by and I looked up and all the older heads have departed to be with God. And I'm looking around saying, whoa, I used to be the youngest elder. Now I'm the oldest. So it's quite the trip. You know, But they're just volunteer leaders that are trying to help people. That's right. Service. That's correct. Help people get to heaven. And while they're here on the earth, give them mentoring and advice.

Some preach and their livelihood comes from the church. In mine and ours case, we're both elders, but we do what we do without payment. We don't. You don't have to pay these people. In other words, some are evangelists and some, you know, like Kellett and some of them, you know, and they make their living from the brothers. But you and I, I, Al, are not that way. But we do the work of God, and we, and the congregation grows and whatever and uplifted

and they're chastised from time to time. And something bad happens in family and I, as we meet with the parents and trying to get them to just do what's right, love their, love their neighbor. But it's quite the, but the structure of it comes out of the Book of Acts. And even the word shepherd, you know, meaning that you would be there to tend a flock, which is what he told the Ephesian elders, which I love that because you're there to protect as part of it. But you're also there to soothe and to help people and pray for people.

I mean, that's what shepherds do. We've got a pretty vast, you know, a bound of talents in our eldership group there. I think a guy like John Howard who's just, you know, he's a prayer war. He just goes and sits with people and prays because he has time to be able to do that. That's a great gift. know, that's a shepherding, you know, ability, which is a blessing, you know, to our church. Let's take another break. So one of my favorite sponsors to talk about, I was so excited when they decided to sponsor

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all those things happen in the world outside the building, the church building. I think most people in the religious world these days, they think eldership or leadership are tied. to an organization that happens on two acres of land twice a week. So if the qualifications were shown out in the world, why would you bring somebody in to only work in things that happened there? And that's why when you brought up about going out or visiting hospitals of the sick or praying,

I think from Acts, if that is the model, these people were going town to town. where people were being converted, leadership would arise because especially, you know, at some point they were all new converts, but I guess the ones who were a little older in the faith had the background. You know, it was more difficult for them. I read the book of Acts, and as I read it, it occurred to me. I'll use the term here, but it's sort of applicable to what was going on in the Book of Act. As they were moving around, this thing was beginning to spread. God wanted to go worldwide.

So they started in Jerusalem. Was I had this thing unfolds how they basically, without God, would have not known exactly how to do it because you're like, they were flying by the seat of their pants. They didn't have all this structure in mind because it's not spelled out it is in the epistles, but the book of Acts, as they went forward, they said, you know, we need,

it's kind of like this when James said, is anyone of you in trouble? This is James chapter 5. Is anyone of you in trouble? You're like, are you going to run up on cases inside the body of Christ, the kingdom of God, where people are in trouble? What are you talking about?

Is anyone of you in trouble? You're like, yeah, he should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. Is any of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with all. I did it Sunday morning for a couple of people in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well. The Lord will raise him up. So, and if he's sinned, he'll be forgiven. So there's a lot of issues that are going on that need to be addressed. And somehow you have to have somebody at the tip of the spear out.

And that's where the elders come in. And to Jason's point, he's exactly right because in the first century, there were no buildings. That's right. And in fact, there were no multiple groups in a city. I mean, these elders were talking about in Ephesus was the whole city. And so you know there had to be little pockets of people meeting around the city, but they were under one leadership of who ever's over that city. Of course, remember, they don't have any cars or any way to get around back then.

They walk everywhere they went. So you were never going to leave very far from Ephesus. You know, Paul did because he was planting churches. Christianity has not quite gotten that put together even to this day, Al, because it's a conundrum. Well, it's gotten fractured. It's fractured bad, you know. It's done the opposite of what was happening in an act. You know what's interesting if you go, some of the more obvious.

obscure verses that people don't read. I mean, we're fixed to study Romans, I guess. But in Romans 16, the last chapter, Paul just lays out all these encouraging greetings. He's like, where the kingdom was located. Yeah, he was like greet. And he starts off with a woman, you know, from the church of wherever.

Well, it wasn't a building, you know. And it's like, and he's like being real respectful. He's like, I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and give her any help she may need because she's been a great help to many people, including me. I mean, she stood out in that community. So it was a loose, very loose structure. Yeah, because then he says next is like greet Priscilla and Aquila, who we've already went over. He's like, they're my partners and the church that meets at their house. Then he brings up another person. Then I'll want greet Mary who worked very hard. And then he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

He brings up in verse 7, two people I can't pronounce, but he says, my relatives who have been in prison with me, they are outstanding among the apostles. And he's like, greet this worker and that worker. And he gets down to the end and in this household, greet that church. And then he brings up two more women who worked very hard and another woman who has worked hard in the Lord. I mean, it goes on and on and on. And you get a different picture. He's giving you a picture of.

These leaders are a. rising from these communities, and they're meeting in multiple homes, and some of them are in prison, and they're doing this, and they're doing that. And so their job was more what? They were getting Jesus out to the community despite fierce persecution. And look, and a very corrupt government, which is not a whole lot different than what we have going on today. Pretty well the same. The sermon, you know, we had Sunday was Tommy Al preached, who's, is an elder, but he preached, you know, the, the, he had corrupt government first, then he had, let's see if I can remember this.

The second thing was cultural immorality, because he talked about the Roman ways of having these public baza where everybody went. Basically, it just turned into an orgy and, you know. And so then you had great persecution for people who believe. And then he had number four was pandemic because these, when you use the same water and you take public baths together and you do have sexual acts there, guess what happens next? Disease and pandemics. Yeah.

They receive in themselves the penalty for their provision. Well, he brought up a stat like the average, the age of life span in that time was like 22. years old. I mean, it's incredible. And so then he made the point, well, when you look at it like that, is there really much difference today? I mean, we just do the same cycles over and over. It's precisely the same. I was going to say, and the answers to come out of it are exactly the same. Yep. Let's take one last, let's take one last break. Well, in his sermon, he had shared that go into all the world and preach Jesus, which is what they were doing, but they were doing it in there's communities and the leadership was coming forth from, I guess, people that were first

converted. You know, as this went along, they were more mature. We need more community type of Christianity instead of boards and boards and wood and steeples. And house churches, when did that fall out of favor? I mean, if you want to be biblical, because there's a dynamic when you meet. in a house with because first of all you invite the neighbors easily they gather up and you have a meal it's just more comfortable and it's hard for persecution to be as great when you're operating because you're basically in your home and it's a little protection to that because it doesn't have a tall

steeple on it to tell everybody who you are because you go to red china and the brothers over there Trust me when I tell you, they don't build big church buildings over there, and everybody goes down in there one time a week. Oh, the Chinese would know where you were and eradicate that quickly. Well, we're headed that way in America. So, you know, beating your homes, that's the last stronghold. Like I was telling you, I'll give me the example of my experiences last night, I've been, at least I've been walking around this neighborhood

and meeting neighbors on the yard, had another conversation with an Aussie implant from Australia to hear we talked about an hour yesterday and every one of them so far when I mentioned that we're going to have a little community spiritual group that's what I'm calling it's no church it's just a community spiritual group we all live on the same street and every one of them has said I'll be there let's where are we going to meet at your house by the pool I said we may just meet by the pool is we're down here by the water what I'm saying is it's it has felt so organic and look I didn't come down here and then go to a church somewhere to then get permission to do what I'm doing I'm doing I'm just the son of God who lives here. And already we've had prayer for people in the community. And, I mean, it hadn't even got going. And yet it's got going because you're willing to be open to it. Yeah, to get back to Tommy Sermon, his practical application was he came from

1st Peter 315, which is that always set apart Christ as Lord, always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this with a gentleness and respect. So he had these three points, which is real simple. It was like you have hope because if you don't, you can't live hope in Jesus if you don't have it. So you have it, you live it, which is people see how you live, which is one of the ways leadership arises because people see how you live and listen to what you say. And then the last part was share hope. So you have it, you live it.

Well, then you share what you have in Jesus because people look at you and say you seem different. Why? Oh, I'm glad you asked. And you share Jesus. And you do it in a non-organizational way from a standpoint of, oh, we're having a club down here a couple of hours a week. No need for the creeds. Well, right. And you're doing it in homes. You're doing it in your businesses.

You're doing it while you're having fun and your hobbies. If you're in the grocery store, I mean, things come up. People are everywhere and you see opportunities, and that's kind of how this works. But it's the same mission, which is Jesus is the image of God. That's who we share. That's how people get to know God. And all these little things, and I mean little, as in problems that arise come from this struggle of trying to live a new life in Jesus. So you do need older, wiser couples to come in and give counseling from time to time to the younger.

And that's kind of how this works. But I think it should be done 24-7. Yeah. When I'm around the Amish brothers from time to time, I really respect and love them for what they've been able to do in this world of chaos. They do pretty well. They have a pretty good formula. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they definitely stick to their guns, that's for sure.

Well, you always come up with them. Somebody said they're too old school. Maybe that's why I agree with them on about 99% of what they do. They make you look like a tech nerd. That's right. You have a TV? What is that? A television.

Yeah, the few times we spoke it to it, they love Dad. Yeah. I mean, you have a blender, though, Bill. I said, no cell phones. I never had one of them. And they didn't say amen, but I could tell. They were like, mm-hmm. No, they were saying,

No blender. Yeah. But I tell you what, I respect their lifestyles, that's for sure. Keep it up. That may be a little more accepted in the Mennonite camp because they'll have a few things you can do. I mean, Phil, when they say no truck, you know, no motor. I understand. I mean, I'm saying it's pretty much.

I still respect them. Yeah. Well, I do too. I'm just saying that it's tough, you know. I mean, what they do is tough. I mean, you want to get somewhere? you walk, you ride a horse. But look, their products, their stuff they build and stuff they make to eat.

I mean, oh, it's unbelievable. It's just so good. So Paul told Timothy, as we're kind of winding down here, don't be afraid, don't be ashamed to testify about Christ, which is kind of the core of our whole thing here with Unashamed. But I did, I like that word. Where's that out of? That's in Second Timothy, that's in Second Timothy one.

Yeah. And he said, you know, you didn't get a, you didn't. get a spirit of timidity, but instead, you know, you have the power of self-discipline and love. And I like that idea that we're empowered. And that's exactly how everybody should think, young or old, is that I've been empowered and I'm unashamed. And if you basically live your life by that principle, and you were reading out of Romans 16, when I went over there and look, they're in verse 21.

There he is. Timothy, my fellow worker sends his greetings. So even Timothy at some point, you know, had spent some time with Paul in his Roman setting because, you know, at the end of the Roman, he tells him all these things to bring in Timothy. But I just love that idea that you keep paying it for a generation of generation because like dad described, I mean, that all happened fast that, dad, you were the youngest elder and kind of a maverick, you know, because you, you know, you did things to feel away. but now you're the oldest one in our group, you know, of leadership. And that went by fast, but you've got to be looking to the next generation and the generation after that to keep it going. Yep.

Yeah, I love that Second Timothy 1-8, and that was my point on the Roman 16. I was getting to Timothy and I got distracted. But if we read that, he says, don't be ashamed to testify about our Lord or ashamed of me, his prisoner, because when you vocalize it, that's where the persecution comes. And I'll say that, I mean, it's just semantics, but he wasn't doing it to Phil way. He was doing it to Jesus way, which is kind of out there loud and proud wherever you're at. I mean, that's what causes the stir good and bad when you go public, when you kind of get out of the building, the four walls and go out into the world. but he goes on to say

for the gospel testifying which has saved us and called us to a holy life not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace this grace was given us in Jesus before the beginning of time

and has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus who has destroyed death and brought life and being immortal to light through the gospel. I mean, what up? Well, Jay, sure.

Power statement. No, Jason, next in line for an elder, Al. He's about that age, getting about 50, you know. Can I just keep doing what I'm doing? He says it's not his thing. Well, you're not to wait. You kind of like I was. I don't know about that when they first asked me about it, way back.

I know. But you know it's funny. I like what I do for the kingdom and I like where I'm at. And I'm just, I'm not, I go into these types of organizations and I tend to rub people the wrong way. So I'm just like, let me just keep going out here, Sharon, to the masses. This is a prickly pair. I'll leave us with this.

So just what Jay said had been to go, to be out there and out loud. You know, I think about it. All of us love our church. And, you know, it's taught us a lot of good stuff. And we've made an impact there. But let's face it, the Almighty gave us the opportunity through a TV show to be unashamed of the whole world. And yesterday when I was talking to Peter, the Aussie, he said, he didn't know much about the show.

He knew who we were. But he said, you know, one thing says I really love about your family. And again, not knowing us that well, not being a fan. I said, what's that? He said, you took a stand. You took a stand publicly. And that's what we need more of. And I thought, you know, out of all the things he could have told me yesterday, that was probably the greatest compliment that he recognized that we're unashamed because we are.

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