Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 279 | Oprah Is Totally Wrong About Salvation

Episode Date: May 19, 2021

Phil is now part of a college assignment, but he's not sure if that's good or bad. Jase admits he has a secret outhouse. Al calls out Oprah Winfrey and her hot take on which path leads to God. Jase finally figures out how the bats got into his house, and it wasn't through the fireplace. And the guys run through people's excuses for not coming to Jesus. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Things that popped into your hair. Yeah, these like, these were just driving down the musings. It's just things that people say, all these people, why is it an epidemic of men running around in the United States trying to convince me they're a woman? I said, do you have a woman, children come from women. Now, once they're medical technology you may work on it, and they may get it coming out of a man, but so far, I don't think it's going to happen. Therefore, doubtful, doubtful.

Live. Second, everybody sins. We all know that. Three, everybody physically dies. Four, whether they like it or not, they're forced to agree that everybody counts time by Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, I've had people that disagree with you on that. Yeah, I know they will.

But then they say, what time is it? What years is. Or they have a lot. Or it's on their phone. Yeah. They're like, well, yeah, but this is a different, I don't, I don't observe that time. Yeah. So what do you say, Dan?

So instead of calling it BC and AD, they say C, what it, common air? Common air. And when you have asked them, but when did your common air begin, they said, when you all say Jesus held up? I'm like, yeah. Five, all empires collapse, which we shouldn't be running, and like we're beating. and like we're beating the air. All of them before us, every one of them has collapsed.

Why do you think that is? It's a great question. I think when it's a human construct was not to be eternal. That's why you see over, you wouldn't believe the verses that the kingdom we're a member of, the empire, if you want to call it that,

it'll never be destroyed. You know, Daniel said all of them come and go. He basically said it. But a lot of verses about that. And finally, all human beings can receive life and immortality, even with all these problems. Yeah. You say, all human beings can get out of here alive. For God's the Lord of the world is sent his only begotten son that whoever believes in

won't perish that have eternal life. Well, so the promise is made there. immortality if you want it but it only comes to one person but it is the one you're counting time by that kind of reminds you that he was here so is this what you shared in uh beaumont when you were because last time i said that yeah last time we were i had it at first everybody sends everybody dies and you know and god's offering them a chance to get out of here but then i just stretched it a little bit and other things kind of come a lot of people became uh christian right i heard like a hundred people or something like that was 85 yeah some pretty exciting probably more to

come ben was telling me about it he was your travel mate so jess you were on the road too where'd you go well i went to austin but oh and i figured out the bat caper uh look i have more people on my way this this bat thing is just not going away look i have people because you know i have a different truck now You figure people wouldn't know it's me. And I get totally thrown off because I pulled in my driveway the other day and your old truck is there. Of course, it was shiny. I'd never seen it so shiny. And I was like, oh, Jason is here.

So I walk in the house. I'm looking around for you. You weren't there. But the guy, I guess you sold it to Phil. I sold it to the guy who was on Duck Dynasty as a. McMillan the villain. Macmillan the villain. When I've heard numerous reports back on the.

the bats. I've heard them, they said, oh, we had them hundreds. Yeah, I think there was a bat movement. But what I was going to say is when I was driving, people would roll down the window and say, watch out for those bats. I mean, it was like, at the gas station was like, you sure you hadn't been bit by a bat?

I'm like, what's going on here? This story has got legs. When a bat bears their teeth at you, one easily fruit bats, if one lights within, three feet of you. This happened but one time to me. When I look down at the bat, he's inside the vehicle. He's in my vehicle. And I look down at him and he, he buried his teeth. It was one mean looking little critter. For y'all listening, I mean, he had like teeth on him that you could

tear, he could tear meat with. I mean, it was. Phil's bat impersonation was priceless. So here's what happened. That's why you need to watch of shame just for that face of experience. So we've gotten, We were rambling. But so I'm fixing to leave to go to Austin. It was actually last week after we did the podcast, I was, I got some plumbing issues. So the only bathroom that I could use because I got the plumber lined up because I'm going to be in Austin. Because, you know, my house is old and the pipes are old. And no matter what I do, plumbing issue, ever since I've lived there.

So I have an outdoor, you know, facility down there. Like an outhouse? Pretty much. It is pretty much an out. Look, nobody knows. You know, the way above the outhouse I saw as a boy. The good thing about the outhouse is there's not a lot of complicated plumbing. I have a secret outhouse.

It's kind of quite comical. So I'm going down to the secret outhouse, and I'm looking up, and I noticed that my daughter's door, because I've been the only one there for a week during the back camper. it's wide open. Of course, it's pouring down rain at the moment. And I thought, that's weird. So, because she has a little balcony.

You know, our house is a two-story old house, where she's on the upstairs. Yeah. And so. And you don't go up there much. Why would I ever be? And there's nobody here. Right.

But what had happened during the bat fight, the 48-hour encounter, of which no bats were injured, I'm legal. I don't think they can get you for... Is there a law against killing bats? The federal government protects them. I said that.

Look, in our society, if someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them. If a bat breaks into your house, you have to leave. So that's why we're in Romans one. I'm like... What is wrong with this? Jay, I think someone gave you some bad information, son. I don't... Phil, there's a term that you're not familiar with that everybody else is.

Google it. You basically will see what I just described. I'm not going to Google it. Yeah. Just the concept of Googling anything. Think about it. So here's what happened. During the 48-hour encounter, I opened the outside doors, but not that door,

because that door never, I never thought about upstairs. And I closed all the interior doors. So when the fight happened, I could. I went up there and closed her door real quick because I didn't want them to scatter throughout each room and be battling this for the rest of my life at this house.

So I also Googled that. They had a list of suggestions when you have a bat in your house and some of them were good. Was it like the bear suggestions? The guy that told me his story, he said his family members, finally they looked up into the attic and you've seen these cave pictures where they're hanging.

He said all of the whole thing, they were just hanging there by the hundreds. Well, that's why I'm telling you, when I had the pet detective come and scope out my place, he's like, I don't smell the bat infestation, nor do I see them. So it wasn't making sense to me. I was like, he's like. So he can smell them? I didn't tell you that?

No. I missed that. Oh, you weren't here. I told that. Okay. But yeah, he was like, they're not here because I don't smell them. Did he look like Jim Carrey? He acted like Jim Carrey.

excuse me sir 90% of what he said i had no idea what he was talking about he started talking about bat tendencies and different the kinds we got you know this this he knows jace you got remember you don't find a batman on every street corner he's batman which i think that's what happened is we come up with these silly movies and some of these people they they don't think it's real but they become enamored with like being Batman. Yeah. And so in their mind, they're like, well, I can't be Batman because I can't get the supernatural

powers. But I could be a Batman. Because he was just rich with a lot of really cool toys. He didn't really have Super. No, but this guy just wants to be a bat. Literally, he wants to go look at and help people deal with bats. Yeah, I got it. But he came across as like he had some, like he was like I'm Batman.

I don't know how many people would actually utilize that particular skill set. Well, he's trying to make a living from it. So anyway, so I concluded I got to thinking, here's what happened. I believe that door was open, the outside door, no doubt about that. And I believe these bats, I guess they, you know, most of time I just see one bat flying around. I just think a small colony of bats flew in that door, came. round the corner, down the stairs. But when they saw the fireplace, they thought, oh, there's a nice cave.

I really believe that's what happened. And they were like, let's live here. And so that makes more sense because I'd never seen one before. Right. There's no, because the actual fireplace chimney has a grading over. You were like, put the gradient up. It already has one. They didn't come down that chimney.

But when I saw one stuck in the crack of a wall, I think he was just trying to get in the wall instead of coming out of it. Yeah. And so. Well, everybody that emailed me about your problems said the same thing. You've got to find out where they're coming in. Yeah, well, they came in my daughter's door. And then I closed her interior door. So then they couldn't get out the way they came.

So I think that's what led to it being such a long process. I said, and there was three, the second night, that they just weren't going to leave. They said, we're staying right here. Because that's when I told you, I flicked the one off the rock. Well, he just, like, went down to the ground. He wouldn't even fly. He's like, I'm not leaving. This is home now.

It's almost that they understand you can't kill them, too. They know they're protected. How do they know that? That's like what you do with any animal when you protect them. And to that degree, they kind of become domesticated, where they're not, They're wild, but they're not as scared as humans as they should be. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is what I don't like. I mean, that's why I'm not a big fan of zoos I've touched before. I don't like, I like everything just roaming free. And we're at the top. Yeah. So we solved that problem. When I got back, I saw no bat. So I feel pretty good about it.

I mean, I still, I actually need them now because when I live, left those doors open in Louisiana when it's 75 degrees at night for two or three days. You know, I have quite the insect problem in my house that everything came inside. So, but Missy said, I'm not coming back to that house unless someone in space. You've got a dangerous situation now because if you're infested in your home here, the wife is not, is going to want to make her home elsewhere. Yeah, when I was, when I was telling her all this, she was just like, oh, I'm not, I can't, I can't go back.

So I don't know what we're going to do. We wanted to deal with that. But the actual trip was amazing. She spoke, one of the local churches, I say local, it's 20 minutes probably from where we are in Austin. They had my wife come in and talked to the ladies on a Thursday night. And I had the men on Saturday night. And look, I was like, where have you people been? You know, because in Austin, I'm in the middle of, let's face it, it leans, it has left tendencies.

It's leaning pretty hard. But I got out here and it was just kind of a country church, you know, and people, they're like, what I told them was, I said, well, I finally found some weirdos who remind me of me. So we had a good worship time and, you know, I shared Jesus and. They were a raucous, fired up crowd. I know it's the same thing. Let's take a break. I noticed the same thing. So I told you, you know, last week I was in California.

And it was the largest gathering in the county. Of course, it was outside to fit in the steel. You got all the, you know, hoops you got to jump through, especially out there. But there were about 600 people underneath this big tent. And Lisa and I spoke, but they were so excited to be there. But it's just because people hadn't been together much. So they're excited about doing it. And then we did one in North Carolina in Ashboro for a praise to center.

Same thing. Outside was at a big church camp. And there was about almost 550 there. But same deal. They were just, of course, as a speaker, you know, I mean, it's so engaging when they're really into what you're doing. I mean, it makes it excited. Yeah, this wasn't a large crowd, but their building was real tiny. And, I mean, it was, it was, couldn't anybody else get in.

Yeah. But I'm saying maximum capacity might have been 100. I mean, it was just a little small, you know, church just in the middle of nowhere, really. I mean, probably 20 miles from Austin. But it was a good experience. So then, well, that night, Zach Williams and Mac Powell and this group came. They were doing a concert in Austin. Well, they came through here a couple weeks ago in Louisiana, and we met them at Duck

commander i told about that we ain't crawfish with them but i've been knowing you know mack pile for years he's a great dude so then we went to the concert i literally left my event and i went there it was at an outdoor amphitheater and they did the concert in parking lots all across the country but in this one it was uh actually at a at a church building where we visited a couple times uh missy and i really like it So that was awesome because it was packed. I was surprised because, I mean, you know, we're still, I told you about some of my experiences in Austin. There's people hollering across the parking lots, you know, wear your mask.

Because I thought there's not, there's nobody going to be here. I mean, they're still, we're still in that mode, but not true. And so that was awesome. I mean, just worshiping on a Saturday night. So they simulcast it to other places. that's how they, so other people were experiencing. I think they were doing that. But on this one, you could come.

Yeah. We were, it was, he said this is our first crowd arena concert. Yeah. Zach said that. And so I missed the, I got there when, when Zach started, but I'm going to tell you something. When you just get finished, because I, I think I shared an hour at this event, because, I mean, they were hauling on my event. I mean, it was just a, you speak. It was an hour?

One hour. Whoa. Yeah. That's pretty good. So, Dad, at the event I was at in Ashboro, they had, somehow, they had a cardboard cutout, life-size cardboard cutout of you and mom. And so they had it set up to the side like a photo. So people, when they were getting there, they were going over and taking their picture

with you and mom. So it's funny. So I was like, well, mom and dad made it. You know, so I was speaking. So every once in why I just refer to you to the, to the, the cardboard cut out of view. I was like, what do you think about that day? Of course, it got a few laughs.

I thought it was pretty funny. But it was just, you know. Was that because of the coronavirus? We now take pictures of cardboard cutouts. I don't know what they're thinking was, but it worked out. By the way, so the two events we did, which are pro-life, you know, their pregnancy centers, raised both, between the two events, they raised almost a half a million dollars, you know, to go, which is a good thing.

Yeah. So I want to mention a couple of things. one, this week, there's a new I Am Second premiere. Mom and Dad, Lisa and I, and then Phyllis, her story is going to be featured on I.M. Second. So if you go to I.m.com, you can see the series. They're rolling it out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week. So you may want to check that out. It's pretty powerful.

You watched the first one last night. Yeah, they showed it to me last night. And so it's good stuff. And also, Dad has a new book that, It's called Your Daily Fill, 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul. And this is an exclusive Walmart deal. So you can only get these at Walmart at. And that's going to be June 1st.

And they told me that. Yeah, June 1st is when that's going to release. So we're excited about that. And we've got another book, Uncanceled, that we'll tell you about that. Common sense. There it is. Common sense. Common sense is something that's lost, right?

So yes. Sound practical judgment. Common sense. I looked it up. Yeah. That's the dictionary. That's the dictionary's meaning of it. Which is interesting because we're in Romans, and one of the words that Paul uses in verse 31 of chapter one is the word senseless.

Yep. To describe sort of what happens when you don't have this, you know, relationship with God. That is correct. So I thought I'd talk a little bit about a sermon yesterday, Jay. So I preached. I loved it. I listened to it on the way back. Because I missed this, when you guys did chapter one was when Z.

Zach was on the podcast hosting because we were traveling from California, North Carolina. But I wanted to mention a little bit from the sermon because I thought there were a couple of interesting things we could sort of recap before we move on to the next two. So the way I described it now is basically, you know, in John 14, Jesus says, you know, I'm the way, the truth in life. No one gets to the father's step through me, what you just described early in your list. So there's an idea from Matthew 7 that Jesus is a, his lane, his road is, is narrow. And I kind of described it as a sort of like a country lane somewhere that you have to look for.

Like if you were trying to find a little cut through somewhere. One person out of billions. Right. I mean, you know. So Oprah Winfrey, I mentioned her yesterday in my sermon. And her view, she's now kind of a prophetess in our culture. People look to her for spiritual guys. She said that she views salvation as a mountain and all roads lead to the top, meaning to be saved.

So no matter what group you're with, no matter who you believe in, no matter what your truth is, it's all going to lead you to this place of paradise. Which is where? Huh? Which is where? I don't know. I mean, that's her description of it. But I just thought to myself when you read that what Jesus said is like, that's totally wrong. But does she mean paradise here?

Maybe. I don't know. You know, I haven't heard a lot of theology, just kind of the glowing. But I think it's indicative of what people view now. Everybody wants everybody to be good. And you've got your truth, whatever that is. You believe whatever you want to believe. And a lot of roads going up the mountain.

but Jesus just said that just two. One's wide. That's right. One's narrow. Exactly. He actually brought that because you didn't hear his sermon. That was part of your servant. That was my Matthew 7.

Yeah. That's exactly right. Because here's the way I described it. So what Paul is describing in Romans 1, 18 to 32, is the broad way to destruction. You are correct. Right. And so the way I see it, the way he lays it out, there's three lanes. And the first one is just pure to.

depravity, people without excuse because of what's been made, right? And what was your definition of depravity for people who are maybe listening for the first time? We need a definition of that. You may look it up? Yeah, look it up. What would y'all say? I would say it's spelled out a little further down. Start with Romans 128, and you get down toward the end, it says they are,

they disobey their parents they invent ways of doing evil they are faithless senseless heartless all right here i got the definition the quality or state of being corrupt evil or perverted yep are you read that again the quality or state of being corrupt evil or perverted you go on with that it's pretty good look another one that's pretty good Good. Because this, you know, somebody put that in here. It's not Bible. But that's a pretty good description. I think someone, Todd, I can't think of his name, the old guy, the preacher from Virginia,

but he was identifying. He said it just looked like when you have a lot of immorality, I brought the CDC's figures back up. Just off of the top of my head here, all you listeners, it's 2021 now. 2014, I don't have an update in the last six years to say whether this went up or down. I'm guessing this is information from the Center for Disease Control. Annual new infections of all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases. I mean, the list goes on and on. Cephylis gonorrhea, hepatitis, HIV, chlamydia, trachomoniasis,

Menoosis, HSV2, HPV, you start adding them all up. That's a lot of letters. Yeah. Annual new infections. It's a scary thing. I argue with the CEDER CDC, if you want to, check in with them. And they might have said, no, just keep breeding everything out there. You can get your hands on.

It won't hurt you. Annual new infections, 20 million total infections. Are you already? Look around. in the room because this is one out of three, 110 million prevalence total infections. According to the CDC, the last time I did this, it was at the Republican... It was C-PAC. And I gave him this info just to let them know, we really have some troublesome times here.

We're going to have to face them. And they all started saying, he's a complete idiot. What is he talking about? I'm like, no, the CDC, oh, by the way, the total medical cost in 2014 was $16 billion. It has risen now. Since that time, by the way, $658,507 have died in these United States of America. Most of its HIV. I'm just saying

Hang on down Let's take a break Men women exchange natural relations for unnatural ones We're in the book of Romans I'm reading from the book of Romans Their women exchange natural

relations for unnatural ones Figure it out The men also abandon natural relations With women And we're inflamed with lust for one another See any of that going on in America and across the world. Well, that was kind.

They committed, men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Somebody brought this up years ago and he was laughed out of town when he said, it's almost like there are consequences. Disease, it causes disease. It spreads disease. I'm reading that. I'm just a C plus man.

So get the smartest people on the earth. I would just have them read what happens when sex begins to be everybody's breeding, everybody. The orgasm becomes the number one thing in their life. I'm reading Romans chapter one about women who do that and men who do that, not good. then the next statement is, furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gives them over to a depraved mind. What did you say depraved was? Corrupt, evil, or perverted? Which, I mean, Phil, your point. If you can't see it running around in front of you, I don't know what to tell you. But your point is noted because God introduced

marriage, Matthew 19, Jesus defined it. And so my point was that the, because he starts out this in 18th saying the wrath of God is being revealed, that the wrath of God happens when you don't live by the will of God, what he wants for you. So it's not, it's not like he's in heaven and he's like, ah, these people, I'm just, you know, rained out. That's the way we view it, especially people that don't even, not sure who he is. But it's not that way at all. Your lifestyle, is what produces wrath or not. It's like having a marriage where people don't, you know, get along at all or work on getting along.

It's a very wrathful, vengeful situation. I mean, it's a battle. Well, I think the people don't believe. They'll say, yeah, but why do bad things, they always come in there with bad things happen to, you know, good people or the innocent because they're trying to excuse, which was one of his points that led to this was that when he says, since the creation of the world in Romans 120, God's invisible qualities, his eternal power

and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made so that men are without excuse. The implication of that is there's a lot of excuses that come up which produce this lifestyle. Right. That is correct. Most people go to the lifestyle. and you accurately read it and he put it. But it was like he tells you how this happened because you think about it. There's got to be a way to excuse. Well, think about what are some of the excuses. I mean, I was thinking of one that I didn't mention this my servant yesterday,

but one excuse that I hear all the time is, well, I don't believe necessarily in God or the Bible. I mean, Christians are hypocrites. It's like, you people. Oh, I think that's top 10. I mean, that's, 10 excuse is. You're not. How can you tell me?

Because you're not perfect. I think another one is one I mentioned is that, well, why do bad things happen to the innocent? I think I would say probably the number one excuse for why people do not surrender to God is they say, well, I'll do that later. Yeah. Right. Because really most people are not out there walking around saying there's a hell and I'm going there for eternity. I'm doomed. They're just not, they're not, there's a few.

But I would say most people have something worked out. Even like, I mean, you brought up the Oprah analogy, you know, all roads are leading to paradise. We're not real sure where that is or how it happened or when it was. occur. But I also think another factor to this is when he says, for although, where's that verse, oh, verse 22, although they claim to be wise, they became fools. I think that goes in with the excuses. Because most people have it worked out. That is the excuse. So they're like, just think of our education system. They'll go on about string theories and, you know, how we got here.

It's all this complicated mumbo jumbo. So they're claiming to be wise, but they're fools because where's the road lead? So you're saying, just think about our education system in that light. You're basically saying that we came from nothing. No intellectual maker. no being out there that so would that mean we came from stupidity foolishness nothing yeah and now we're smart and my point is he basically said y'all are smart idiots right you claim to be wise but

you're fools just like that where all roads lead to the top of the mountain in the paradise well where is that well i don't know Oh, I thought that sounded smart, but now it's sounding kind of dumb. When are we going? I have no idea. Is that after we die? Not sure. Yeah.

So you're a smart idiot. I think that's what he's saying. It is. Let's take another break. So I mentioned yesterday that another excuse could be for people is Darwinism, which is kind of ironic that a man, you know, now it's been 100 and whatever 75 years ago came up with a theory about how we got here how we actually physically got here but said in his book now look this is just a theory so if any this could all be proven wrong at any point just so you know yeah and yet all these years later people

cling to it that basically we came from nothing and we just showed up you know the somehow the primordial soup was already there And we go back to the nothing. Yeah. Before we arrived in our mother's womb, just not much more than a speck, a little blob like this, little bitty thing. Look under a microscope, it just looked like a little blob.

Then the thing starts to grow. Yeah. And little arms and little legs starting. The head ends up on top of you. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So you literally, before, that happened in your mother's womb, the sperm and the embryo, before that started, you didn't exist. You didn't take up space of any kind. To take that whatever process you want to call it,

I don't even know what you would call that process. And it begins to just develop into a human being. You're like, and then he gets out and looks around, and he's thinking, where did this come from? Where did I come from? Yeah, which is so... Because you came from nothing, and so what's the explanation? You say, well, you're just a glob of molecules. You started in the ocean. He said, started in the what?

In the ocean. I'm not. I don't know. Where the ocean come from? So what I'm saying is, and here you are, then you run upon things that you feel guilty about for some reason. You felt guilty like that. You know, I shouldn't have done that.

Yeah. Going all the way back to taking a club and beating somebody's head off with a rock or whatever. You said, man, you know, so here comes, here comes murder. You know, we didn't, we weren't here long. There wasn't before of us. And we're already murdered each other. Adam, Eve, and Kane and Abel. And we are, we have our first murder. You're like, well, good night. There's not before. I mean, you. Which I think that's another excuse. They're like, what, I'm not, I'm not doing this because the evil, you know, in the world, there can't be a God. And so people say, say use that as an issue.

Well, I mean, good and evil, creativity, artistic abilities. How does all that evolve? And when you look at other species and they're just, you know, doing their thing. So, I mean. Which is the point. Yeah. How did all that intelligence come from nothing? Right.

That one statement that says that although they claim to be wise, they became fools, it just doesn't add up. I think that's why he made, Paul made that statement, based on the invisible qualities of God, of what you observe, there's no excuse. No excuse.

Because whatever your philosophy is without God, it's going to become foolish because it doesn't answer life's biggest problems, mysteries, and destinies. It's just not there. There was a young man yesterday that attended when I preached the sermon. And he was obviously intelligent. He came down.

He said, you know, I just, for the first time of my life, I've been seeking. I'm searching, you know, for something. He asked me, said, do you study philosophy? I said, no, not really. I said, you know, I have, you know, read some philosophers. But no, I pretty much stick to what I shared this morning. He said, well, you know, I just, I feel like I need to talk more about this. I said, oh, you do.

A lot more. But, you know, he looked like he was in his late 20s. He said, I've spent most of my life being an atheist. But for the first time I'm starting to read. And then he was there to hear this sermon yesterday, which was, you know, great for him because the picture was is that you can be an atheist. You can try to reason to yourself, there is no God. But you're going to wind up in a bad way because this is what happens to people without God.

I mean, it just naturally brings. that out and they're not so there is no excuse yeah but i look back on my own life you know i was talking to zach williams after his concert we went backstage we were going to play cards but after i i got to quizzing these boys and i thought you know they don't they they just kind of wanted to social i thought i thought they were you know we were fixed to have a game here but i missy scared of me you know and she's like you don't want to play him and uh it's like remember i said it's not gambling if you can't Well, I just said, look, just because you sing about Jesus, which I love, that doesn't mean I won't take your money quick.

So I think that scared them. But you know what? We ended up just talking about how we could get Jesus to the world. And because I thought, you know, I was at an event. They're singing, you know, about G. We're doing the same thing here. We're trying to make the world a better place. But my point is he said something in his concert, and we talked about it.

he was like when he was 20, because he was raised in the church, and it's always interesting hearing people's stories, and now you're looking at him, and thinking, well, this guy's rocking and rolling. I mean, he just sang, got won a Grammy Award, was singing with Dolly Parton of all people. Yeah.

I don't know. Awesome song about There Was Jesus. You know, in a month, when he looked back in his life, he saw these moments that even though he was a million miles away, he was like, he was there the whole time. It's like a great song. that tries to define one of my favorite verses in the Bible, which is Hebrews 13.8, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It just doesn't change. You change. You go off the deep end,

get into all this kind of activity that we're reading about. But when you look back on it, you're like, he was still there offering all the solutions and all the answers. But what he said, when he was 20, his dad tried to get him to go to a Christian concert. And he's like, I don't want to be there. Yeah. He had just, and his excuse, which is why I'm bringing this up, was kind of the same thing I felt when I was a teenager. I looked at Christian people as just too cheesy, too square. I'm like, I think the flaws in our groups that meet like, you know, put on your best, go to church, act a certain way.

but then the hypocrisy of the real life outside those walls made me think these people I don't want to be hooked up with that bunch but that was my excuse for not coming you know immediately to Christ I was kind of hiding behind that but when he said that you know here he is now 20 years later he's like when I went off and toured I had a rock band and went out and he kind of told this in the concert and just doing the things in these in this list here he's i got back and i'm like i'm looking at my family i'm looking at my life and i'm he's just like i'm just lost i have complete i am he said i literally just drove myself into the bottom bottomless pit and he's like i just saw my family and i hit

my knees and I thought, I'm not doing this anymore. And so in a weird turn of events, the only person he would listen to because he just tried to purge all the bad influence was Mack Powell from third day because it had the same vibe of music. He's like, well, he was close to Leonard Skinner, you know, which was the first, Mac Powell was the first contemporary Christian group I listened to for the same reason. I was like, I can't deal with cheesy church music, you know. But when I heard Mac Powell and Third, I was like, wow, that's pretty good there.

So now here he is 20 years later. He's the guy I didn't want to be at the concert. And he's with Mac Powell. They're together singing, you know, about Jesus to people. And people in the audience have their kids who don't want to be there. It's like the same cycle. We were talking about that backstage, and he's like, that's why we do this. That's right.

You expose them something different. Let's take a last break. So you're right, Jay's. I think when we look at our own lives, you can see this. And in that last little section there, we mentioned senseless. I think those are progressive ideas, you know, senseless to faithless. Because when you lose your sensibility, you know, and I describe yesterday the prodigal son, you remember when he went off and he's living this terrible life he's practicing just what this

list says jesus describes him and it said he's sitting in the pig pen and he's eating with with pigs he's he's literally fighting pigs over what's in the trough and he realized you know what this this is not good like the the life i had back home wasn't near like this and instead he came to his senses and so it's always made me think about that that you can get in such a bad way you just realize. Y'all, y'all answer one little thing before you. Here's what stands out about that complete first chapter. And Jason, you feel free to expound on this.

Verse 32, after this brutal list of a depraved mind, they've become feeling of ever kind of wickedness, evil, greed, depravity, they're full of envy, murder, strife, malice, gossip, slanderers, God, hater. It's the description of a human being here in Romans chapter one is unbelievably brutal. Here's what I'm trying to figure out. I'll give you the first one, then the second one. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things, but also a pre-a-lawful.

approve of those who practice them. Now, that's one. The Apostle Paul said, you read this list, you say, surely these people, they just don't know any better. The Apostle Paul said, oh, no, they know better. The other one is they suppressed the truth what Jason was reading, made it plain to him since the creation of world. Although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God or gave thanks to him, but their

thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darker. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and they began to worship everything but God. But it says twice, they know better. Deep in their psyche. So some college professor of the day said, I'm on an essay written on Phil Robertson's thinking when it comes to same-sex. couples. I want to hear his view. You made a college class.

He said one of the kids in the class called Ms. Kea said, this professor wants to write what your husband's views are on homosexual behavior. I didn't realize that your opinions now are part of higher learning. So I don't know whether he was saying we need to find out what Romans 1 says about it. Or what, because my views, no one amount to doodle his squat. These texts I'm reading, I said they were written a long time ago, 2,000 years in the mid-50s aisle,

and you read that description of the human race. It is scary how nothing has changed. That's a good point. From then to now, I'm like, whoa, here. Because it seems too brutal. You said, well, surely he wasn't speaking to us. I'm like, look around, dude. Well, I think he was saying,

answer your question. If they know better, why do they do it? That's my question. Well, I think that's why when Al brought up the senseless, you know, to go back to the got the prodigal son, in his mind, he thought, give me, I want my share of the state. I mean, he wanted money. He wanted friends, and he wanted this lifestyle, but it all started in his mind. And to quote a verse, Colossians 121, it says, once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds. That says because of your evil behavior. So when you think about we're all created by God, he's given us these measures that lead us to him. Because we just read it.

All men are without excuse. There's something about looking around. there's a thought in people's mind, somebody made this. So you have to suppress that. Then there's a thought of, oh, this is wrong. Those two things, having an idea of right and wrong and having an idea that someone created this. Where did your knowledge of right and wrong would be a question?

Where did it come from? Well, where did your knowledge of someone created this? I know when I do wrong. Do you know when you do wrong? Absolutely. And I always have. But another interesting point is, He says, Paul says, that if you try to worship something on this earth that's not the creator

that made the earth, you're always going to wind up in a bad situation, which is what they were doing. You know, said they replaced God with all these, you know, reptiles and birds and whatever. And I said yesterday, when I was in California, I was listening to some of the commercials. About every third commercial, I'm just listening to the radio. And about every third one was about some sort of environmental cause, you know, the climate change. it was just over and over. And some of it I was like, they were talking about they were going to have all electric cars.

And I just thought, man, the whole country's got electric cars. But then you got to produce electricity, you know, which is going to take fossil fuels to make all that electricity for all these cars. And so I was just listed. I thought, man,

these people, how do they get into this? Then I thought, well, they're worshipping. Yeah. They worship Mother Earth. Like,

it's religion to them. I mean, they are serious about it. And they will tie, they will sacrifice. They'll walk down the road. Other nature, whoever that is, rules. Right.

Rules. And so I made the point, if I worship the God that created it, I don't really have to worry about all the details. You know, we try to, you know, have a good clean carbon footprint. That's a good idea. I don't want to go around destroying the earth. But at the same time, he says he's going to, he made it and he'll remake it. But still, once you go down that road, once you deny that God made this and you deny this,

and you deny this this conscious system in your in your mind and once you start going down the road and you can use for an excuse that there's a lot of religious people who do not treat anybody guilty of sin the right way so they use that for it's another excuse yeah there are people who get up and hate homosexuals because of their well that's not right no god loves everybody Your whole point, you know, with what caused the controversy in your life was that this is something, you know, at a spirit of love, we all, there's no difference in those types of behaviors as far as, you know, right or wrong. So we all meet under the umbrella of grace and forgiveness. But the only time I've ever been effective with people who have just declared that I just don't believe in God, whatever their excuse is. And it's usually the smarter individuals, the intellectuals.

The only time I've ever had any success is I'm like, okay, so you're smart. And they're like, well, you know, I got a bunch of letters behind my name. Yeah, okay, that means you're smart. And you're trying to get me to believe that you came from something dumb. And just the simple idea of that, they really have a hard time dealing with that. Because I'm like, well, if you're so smart. smart, you're basing your whole lifestyle, your decision-making process, good and evil, on that you came from something dumb. I mean, if there's no intellect as an origin, how can something smart come from something dumb?

They don't have an answer. That's a good point. They're like, because it flies in the face of everything that they're taught. to be smart you got to have somebody smarter teaching you and then you learn but how did this happen so that's when i move in and say maybe what you think is making you smart is an illusion just having a bunch of meaningless facts or being able to do something based on you know your knowledge so you're saying 122 although they claimed to be wise they became fools well that verse is a powerful powerful verse.

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